--- Log for 13.11.108 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 8 hours ago 00.01.47 Join mofux_ [0] (n=quassel@dslb-088-075-029-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.01.49 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.04.01 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.06.01 # * kugel wonders why rockbox-info.txt tells a different binsize than rockbox.bin 00.06.02 # WOOT 00.06.17 # anyone? 00.06.25 # fifo full 00.06.29 # razym: have you looked in the manual? 00.06.44 # kugel: because it gets the size from the .map 00.06.45 # nevermind 00.07.00 # rockbox... has a manual? 00.07.03 # should visit an eye doctor 00.07.03 # * razym blinks 00.07.12 # e-gad 00.07.15 # it does have a manual 00.07.45 # you win this round gevaerts 00.08.10 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECF01.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.08.31 Join ameyer [0] (i=ameyer17@silenceisdefeat.org) 00.09.26 # okay, now that i skimmed through it 00.09.37 # that was fast...... 00.09.38 # LambdaCalculus37: something is wrong at your end 00.09.43 # checked the whole thing for "charge" 00.09.53 # i'm not talking about the option to make usb charge it 00.10.05 # i'm talking about how it shuts down and goes into disk mode upon usb insertion 00.10.50 # hold menu pressed (or something) pressed when inserting usb 00.11.04 # you should charge in retailos anyway, i believe rockbox doesn't charge as fast as possible 00.11.27 # oh, i have another iPod using my wall charger and i'm too lazy to swap 00.11.32 Join super_ [0] (i=1000@c80-217-96-124.bredband.comhem.se) 00.11.40 # i just need it charging, without killing the battery over time 00.11.59 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 00.12.36 # but i guess i'll do that, then 00.12.37 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 00.12.48 Quit super (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.06 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.16.51 Quit mofux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.25 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.18.10 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ (Connection timed out) 00.18.17 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-227-200.slkc.qwest.net) 00.18.37 # how do i compile without rocks? 00.18.51 # make bin ? 00.19.06 # * Hillshum tries 00.21.28 # yup 00.21.41 # but it doesn't solve my problem 00.22.06 # which is... ? 00.23.54 # * Bagder runs off to bed 00.24.45 Ctcp Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts 00.29.03 # LambdaCalculus37: I've uploaded the new patch at fs#6800. test please 00.33.39 Quit ender` (" error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function") 00.34.40 # shotofadds: oy 00.35.08 # preglow: congrats on the SD progress, your asshatted-ness seems to be paying off ;) 00.35.55 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.36.08 # i only get fifo full on sdhc cards, for some reason 00.36.25 # so i'm gonna comb through the init code and see what i do wrong 00.36.26 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 00.36.33 # but i'm gonna nail this shit now 00.37.04 # that's weird, best of luck getting it working! 00.37.15 # weird indeed 00.37.45 # 1.x cards never seem to send data 00.40.16 # Some other d2-news: I'm in the process of tidying up a new NAND driver ready for commit (maybe tomorrow?). It seems pretty reliable on D2 (and I guess iAudio7 too) and is approaching usable on M200 (+DAX?) too now. Turns out the do do indeed use a slightly different FTL scheme.. 00.41.19 # sweetness, looking forward to it 00.41.41 Quit super_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.42 # i expect it's read only? :> 00.41.55 # preglow: naturally. 00.41.56 Quit Chronon (Remote closed the connection) 00.41.58 # LambdaCalculus37: fixed! 00.42.27 # argh, how that annoys 00.42.34 # bloody telechips and their bloody custom ftl 00.43.03 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Remote closed the connection) 00.43.58 # indeed, but I don't think write is truly unachievable - just very hard. my understanding is getting better as time goes on, someday I might get around to documenting it.. 00.44.22 # that would be truly sweet 00.44.46 # never rule out the possibility of some magic person just showing up and doing what needs doing 00.44.53 # we've had it happen several times :> 00.44.57 # btw, it's taken 1 year to get this far, take a guess how long it might take :> 00.45.11 # i think things might speed up once we get the basics working 00.45.19 # but we'll see 00.45.21 # Have you made any progress with USB on the D2? 00.45.26 # never even tried 00.45.30 # can someone explain why my wake up alarm isnt working? 00.45.36 # faemir: target? 00.45.52 # gevaerts: no, I had enough success with the m200 to not worry about it. will try soon though. 00.46.18 # preglow: ? 00.46.25 # faemir: what player 00.46.29 # ah 00.46.42 # ipod 5th gen, my friend with an ipod mini 2nd gen wont work either 00.47.15 # faemir: set the alarm to like two minutes into the future, then shut down immmediately and wait 00.47.40 # there is a bug right now where alarm doesn't work if you set it, then turn the ipod on and off several times afterwards 00.48.00 # which i've kind of forgotten about fixing 00.48.22 # :P 00.48.22 # don't really know how to either 00.48.46 # faemir: if what i said doesn't work, something else is wrong 00.48.48 # gevaerts: interestingly the m200's ums only seems to work in windows right now, and then it will only transfer a few MB before stalling. Last week it seemed pretty reliable in Linux, so I need to work out what changed.. 00.48.52 # preglow: it's 3.0 btw 00.49.36 # alarm shouldn't have changed much since i implemented it for ipods 00.50.08 # another goddamn feature it turns out i don't actually use much myself, so i haven't tested it for ages 00.50.12 # :( 00.50.19 # i'll test it right now, tho 00.50.57 # shotofadds: weird 00.51.02 # will see if it works in four minutes 00.51.12 # but right now I'm off to bed. hopefully tomorrow will see some good progress - these sansa-ams people are making us look bad ;) 00.51.18 # yeah... 00.51.21 # curse them for it 00.51.37 # they should make us look good, tantilazingly good 00.51.40 # but yeah, good night :) 00.51.49 # * gevaerts waves 00.52.16 # it's quite frustrating to have Rockbox running on a new target, but with such large obstacles in the way of usability :/ 00.52.17 # night all 00.52.22 # preglow: nope 00.53.30 Quit shotofadds ("Leaving") 00.53.56 # preglow: it doesn't work * 00.55.02 # faemir: works for me 00.55.13 # my nano just switched on and started playing 00.55.21 # is this 3.0? 00.55.39 # preglow: and did you shut it off with music playing or paused 00.55.44 # playing 00.55.56 # and no, it seems to not be 3.0 00.56.02 # something a bit older 00.56.17 # stupid 5 minute interval limit 00.56.21 # heh 00.56.29 # i'll try out a 3.0 00.56.32 # if i can find the usb cable 00.56.45 # preglow: 00.56.46 # erm 00.56.55 # it pauses when i hold play to shutdown 00.58.04 # well, then mine was paused 00.58.15 # it doesn't matter, the alarm code cares little about paused status 00.58.40 # by "little" i mean "not at all" 00.58.45 # is it supposed to auto shutdown 00.58.48 # cause the manual says that 01.00.25 # yes, it does 01.00.27 # and no 01.00.30 # not anymore 01.00.43 # it used to be like that, we need to discuss if we want that to happen still, and update the manual 01.01.14 # i don't see any reason for it to auto shutdown, but there might be a technical reason for why it has to do so on some targets 01.01.28 # testing 3.0 now, will find out i five mins 01.01.42 # preglow: mine worked 01.01.47 # but my friend says his just turns back on 01.01.50 # when he holds play 01.01.57 # to shutdown 01.03.02 # faemir: that happens universally whenever he tries to shut down, not only with alarm? 01.03.14 # preglow: ah, it's plugged in charging 01.03.23 # but he says it's so unreliable that he leaves it in cause of the dodgy battery 01.03.29 # still sounds a bit hacky 01.03.51 # yeah, minis get really dodgy after a few years 01.03.58 # preglow: is it possible to have it off while charging? 01.04.11 # faemir: i don't know, don't have a mini 01.04.19 # well i presume it's a rockbox option 01.04.50 # the whole power management and usb thing is very unfinished with rockbox right now 01.05.10 # usb is almost quite 100% done, but a couple of small issues that prevent it from working 01.05.17 # :( 01.05.21 # and we need usb to work proper before power management can get better 01.05.26 # 3.0 alarm works fine here 01.05.33 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 01.05.59 # and no, my nano switches right back on if power is connected 01.06.17 # now that i think about it, that can't be helped 01.06.24 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.06.28 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.06.38 # the ipod hardware is what switches it back on 01.06.49 # ipods aren't meant to ever be powered off while doing anything at all 01.07.03 # oh dear 01.07.08 # he can't boot into original firmware either 01.07.19 # yeah, he can 01.07.33 # enable hold switch early when he sees the apple logo 01.07.49 # yes 01.07.53 # it just flickers 01.07.55 # every few seconds 01.07.57 # Why is it that business majors have such little math backgrounds? You think that'd be an important skill for a businessman 01.08.13 # but really, when a mini has a dodgy battery, it will start to misbehave in really weird ways 01.08.23 # ya, ipods are notorious for data corruption on force quits or disconnects 01.09.26 # but yeah, apart from the thing where alarm won't work if you turn it back on before the alarm triggers, it seems to work fine in 3.0 as well 01.09.33 # and i'm not quite sure how to fix that issue yet 01.10.03 # i will probably have to find out how the apple bootloader communicates the alarm status 01.10.15 # and i'm not so bored as to find out that right now 01.10.28 # or in the near future at all, i'm afraid 01.15.42 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.16.02 Quit mofux_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.17.41 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.20 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 01.23.28 Quit jhulst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.26 Join jhulst__ [0] (n=jhulst@75-135-157-217.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 01.39.25 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e13e56264406d78) 01.41.33 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 01.43.39 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 01.44.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.45.26 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.48.34 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.18 Join kachna|lappy [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 02.00.06 Join FFForever [0] (n=Chris@unaffiliated/ffforever) 02.00.11 # any news on ipod classic? 02.00.31 # still not rockboxable 02.00.39 # the 6th gen ones at least 02.00.49 # which they call "ipod classic" 02.01.22 # i just bought an 80gb classic black :D 02.01.26 # i think you should basically just forget about it 02.01.49 # ... 02.01.52 # years have passed, not even a single hurdle has been passed 02.02.07 # apple doesn't want rockbox on those ipods, and has made it very hard to do 02.02.08 # :* 02.02.16 # :(* 02.02.43 # yet the iphone is hacked days after it is released :( 02.02.48 # and unlocked after a month or 2.... 02.03.54 # yeah 02.04.08 Join hillshum_ [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-227-200.slkc.qwest.net) 02.04.11 # dunno anything about that, protection might be simpler or there might just be more eyes on it 02.04.24 # but the challenge isn't nearly the same 02.04.44 # have anyone actually replaced the os on an iphone? 02.04.45 Nick jhulst__ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@75-135-157-217.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 02.05.47 # Not that I'm aware of. 02.05.55 Quit lasser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.05.56 # well, there you go 02.06.19 # not even on the iphone has anything even nearing what we'd need to do for rockbox been done 02.06.24 # The iPhone runs a modification on an existing, well known OS. It is designed to run third party apps, and they just got around how picky it is about third party apps, as far as I know. 02.06.25 Join gabe565 [0] (n=440c6039@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f2dddff510770317) 02.07.12 # we'd need to decrypt the firmware, reverse engineer it, guess our way to how the hardware works, and first then start porting rockbox, which involved writing a fair amount of new code 02.07.20 Quit JdGordon ("Konversation terminated!") 02.07.27 Quit gabe565 (Client Quit) 02.07.28 # the process would take years if it starteed today 02.07.37 # preglow: I wonder if there's an attack vector by way of the downloadable games etc, rather than trying a firmware upgrade. 02.07.46 # Llorean: probably 02.08.08 # but we're not helped by the fact that most ipod users wouldn't dream of taking away the apple shine on it 02.08.18 # True. 02.08.28 # i can't be bothered with more ipods nayway 02.08.32 Join gabe565 [0] (n=chatzill@ip68-12-96-57.ok.ok.cox.net) 02.11.07 # preglow, they are working on linux :D 02.12.21 Quit kachna|lappy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.13.41 # who are? 02.14.53 Part gabe565 02.15.29 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 02.16.15 Quit basti (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.38 Join kachna|lappy [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 02.18.22 # anyone know how I can determine the "real" file path from wiki links such as: 02.18.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g/BlackGlass_nonaa_v2.zip 02.18.27 Join gabe565 [0] (n=chatzill@ip68-12-96-57.ok.ok.cox.net) 02.18.56 # does wget show the redirected url? 02.19.30 # not 100% familiar with twiki though, sry 02.19.43 # wget says "no such attachment" 02.20.04 # well, actually it's getting the twiki "no such attachment" page it looks like. 02.20.05 # hmm. 02.20.14 # yeah that url is a nonexistent file 02.20.21 # ...apparently 02.22.24 # substituting /bin/viewfile with /pub and removing the ?rev=2;filename= works 02.23.10 Quit hillshum_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.23.10 Join hillshum__ [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-227-200.slkc.qwest.net) 02.23.39 # I actually pasted the wrong link - the default wiki link would be: 02.24.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g?rev=2;filename=BlackGlass_aa_v123.zip 02.25.24 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.25.38 # 1 02.25.44 # eh, sry 02.30.59 Quit aarcane ("Leaving") 02.40.05 # For the record, I talked to Senab about his "Black Glass" theme (there are 25 "children" of it in the galleries (mostly all graveyard, actually)) and he said he copied the elements directly out of Windows Media Player. 02.40.42 Join NeoThermic [0] (n=foo@phpbb/support/pdpc.student.neothermic) 02.43.46 Quit hillshum__ ("Leaving") 02.46.01 Part NeoThermic 02.48.24 # hi, i'm new to the rockbox wiki and irc, could i have write permissions? 02.49.26 # Hillshum, I assume you are http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GabeCook ? 02.49.44 # oops hi :) stupid tab completion 02.49.57 # yeah 02.50.10 # I'm Gabe Cook 02.50.27 # what do you want to edit (out of curioisty) ? 02.51.13 # I was going to put my name on IRC Nicks page 02.51.49 # ok, just like the tradition want, promise to not spam! :) 02.52.09 # ok, I won't spam! 02.53.19 Quit mc2739 () 02.53.50 # there you go, done 02.54.10 # ok, thanks 02.54.37 # you are welcome 02.56.03 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.57.30 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@189.155.22.119) 02.57.47 Quit gabe565 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 02.58.21 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 03.01.01 Quit moos ("Time to sleep a bit") 03.04.55 Quit FFForever (Remote closed the connection) 03.06.33 Quit _Andrew_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.08.21 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.09.03 Join gabe565 [0] (n=gabe565@ip68-12-96-57.ok.ok.cox.net) 03.10.59 Part gabe565 03.11.21 Part pixelma 03.11.52 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.13.01 Quit kugel (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 03.13.21 Nick razym is now known as pie (i=pixelflu@unaffiliated/razym) 03.20.58 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-1c3a0d4cdb56d5ec) 03.21.57 Quit neddy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.23.23 Join gabe565 [0] (n=gabe565@ip68-12-96-57.ok.ok.cox.net) 03.23.46 Join AndreasN [0] (n=on@m83-188-192-238.cust.tele2.se) 03.24.05 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 03.26.42 Join super [0] (i=1000@c80-217-68-219.bredband.comhem.se) 03.44.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.44.30 Quit super (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.45.28 Join super [0] (i=1000@c80-217-68-219.bredband.comhem.se) 03.57.05 Join hillshum_ [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-227-200.slkc.qwest.net) 03.59.30 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.01.05 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.03.54 Join patrussell [0] (n=423d7960@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-da24ae6f0ce9b2b1) 04.06.24 # I posted an issue with Sansa c200 and Altec Lansing im510 dock on the forums and was asked to update the TWiki table but need write permission to do this. 04.08.17 Part gabe565 04.08.18 Quit super (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.10.20 # patrussell: done 04.11.05 Quit Acksaw ("Erection reset by queer") 04.11.55 # Thank you. I'll get that updated. 04.17.55 Quit patrussell ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.19.12 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 04.22.08 Join super [0] (i=1000@c80-217-68-219.bredband.comhem.se) 04.26.25 Quit hillshum_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.28.56 Part toffe82 04.34.22 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 04.35.46 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.41.12 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECCD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.47.46 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@f051100206.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.48.43 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.53.07 # Where is the bashrc on Ubuntu? 04.54.33 # it's not in /etc/bashrc? and isn't there a #linux or #ubuntu? 04.55.29 Join troy_ [0] (n=toppy@78.149.132.132) 04.57.07 Quit Necromas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.58.35 Nick pie is now known as razym (i=pixelflu@unaffiliated/razym) 04.59.00 Quit cool_walking_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.04.09 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.44 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@f051100206.adsl.alicedsl.de) 05.07.53 Quit XavierGr () 05.18.44 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 05.21.40 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@221.221.166.55) 05.31.16 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@p54A5F562.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.35.25 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 05.44.16 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 05.44.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.50.29 Quit TheSphinX^ ("XChat@Linux") 05.58.38 Quit troy_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.09.39 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 06.23.04 Quit Zarggg (Connection timed out) 06.24.05 Quit miepchen^schlaf_ () 06.26.19 Join aarcane [0] (n=aarcane@c-67-187-242-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 06.40.53 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 06.42.12 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 06.42.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-145-137.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.42.45 Quit AndreasN (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.42.52 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.35.81) 07.02.32 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 07.02.59 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 07.03.24 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 07.09.47 # what are the odds Rockbox will be usable on the Sansa Clip within 12 months or so 07.10.22 # where "usable" == plays ogg vorbis reliably and dual-boots 07.10.37 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s243b.studby.ntnu.no) 07.11.22 # I'd say the odds are pretty good for that 07.11.46 Join homielowe_ [0] (n=homielow@64.55.144.106) 07.18.49 # I'll be very surprised if it's not usable within 12 months. 07.18.50 Quit homielowe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.19.10 # I'm personally betting on it by 3.3 or _maybe_ 3.2 07.19.23 Join jfc^3 [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 07.19.24 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@75-135-157-217.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 07.19.54 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.20.14 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.35.81) 07.21.24 # obviously, somewhat stripped-down 07.22.19 # on the other hand, if "they" ever add gapless playback to the Clip's OF, who needs rockbox? 07.22.19 # I don't think it'll be stripped down too much. 07.22.44 # Rockbox does have some pros other than gapless... 07.25.04 # well, the format support on the clip's resonably close to Rockbox's format support. 07.25.39 # close enough for me anyway 07.26.18 # if the audio playback support is all that matters then I can understand that 07.26.39 # but there are other targets with that support and their OF still don't even come close to rockbox 07.26.50 # in terms of usability etc 07.27.13 # And plenty of people *require* Rockbox for blind navigation 07.27.26 # I'll see how bad the OF is 07.30.10 # although crossfeed is nice 07.30.18 # * ameyer glares at the 60s 07.35.09 # anyway, woot.com currently has the Clip for $15.99 + $5 shipping (US only) 07.35.18 Quit jfc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.35.31 # erm, 2 GB clip 07.41.58 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 07.42.40 Quit aarcane ("masturbating is fun~") 07.44.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.45.43 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.49.31 Quit Darksair ("People who are zhuangbility want to show their niubility but only reflect their shability.") 07.50.02 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.50.15 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@221.221.166.55) 07.51.08 Join J-23 [0] (n=kvirc@a105.net128.okay.pl) 07.52.11 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@d206-116-134-81.bchsia.telus.net) 07.56.54 Quit homielowe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.01.21 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@75-172-112-151.tukw.qwest.net) 08.04.03 Quit J-23 ("Flying cow pressed ^D on my keyboard.") 08.16.52 Quit synergist ("changing servers") 08.18.02 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.18.08 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd1c6a37209ab373) 08.18.13 Join timsandtoms [0] (n=47707d72@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4dc949c497b44cf5) 08.20.52 Quit midkay (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.21.48 # Hey, quick question, the manual wasn't super clear on this... If I use the automated installed, will it set my 80gb 5.5th gen iPod to dual boot Rockbox and the iPod firmware, or will it replace the iPod firmware? 08.22.07 Join synergist [0] (i=christop@cant.be-arsed.co.uk) 08.22.25 # timsandtoms, it will be dual boot 08.24.14 # advcomp2019, alright, awesome, thanks. How will I switch between the two? Is it similar to iPodLinux's Loader 2? 08.25.37 # yea you can switch between the two but i am not sure how it works since i do not have an ipod 08.27.47 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.28.37 # timsandtoms: Dual booting should be described in the manual. 08.28.49 # Ah, ok, thanks. All the google image results for "rockbox bootloader ipod" seem to be turning up Loader 2, so hopefully that'll be it 08.29.00 # It's not loader 2. 08.29.06 # And it's not much like loader 2, there's no menu at all. 08.29.44 # There are no image results because you normally don't see the bootloader. It's designed to go by as quickly, and unnoticed, as possible unless there's an error and it needs to report something 08.30.10 # Llorean: Oh, dang. So will I need to do a manual install if I want to use Loader 2? 08.30.24 # Yes, and we won't provide support for it. 08.31.15 # The bootloader is responsible for hardware initialization and third party bootloaders have in the past caused strange behaviour in Rockbox. While it's believed to be working right now, it's not considered a supported installation. 08.31.17 # Haha, thats ok. I've managed before, I was just hoping not to have to bother this time, and just use the easy installer ;) Ah wells. 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Is it a problem? 09.57.40 # yes, firmware/SOURCES expects a CONFIG_I2C define to select source files 09.58.20 # the old build doesn't complain because we send all parse errors to /dev/null... 09.58.40 # I'm not convinced that's a good idea, so I don't 09.59.01 # if it doesn't have I2C support, it should be defined to 0 imho 09.59.34 # or I2C_NONE or something 10.00.41 # I _think_ that I2C_DM320 is the right one. 10.00.57 # it certainly feels right 10.00.58 # The creativezvm has the same CPU (DM320) and uses that I2C define. 10.01.15 # ok 10.02.31 # is mrobe500 in such an early stage that I shouldn't worry too much about making it compile&link everything? 10.02.39 Quit reacocard (".") 10.02.40 # if has double audio drivers, for instance 10.02.57 # afaik, it doesn't yet have functional audio 10.03.04 # firmware/drivers/audio/tsc2100.c and firmware/target/arm/tms320dm320/mrobe-500/dm320codec-mr500.c 10.03.07 # It's in the build table, so currently compiles cleanly. 10.03.13 # ah, right 10.03.26 # * Zagor dons the Holmes hat once more 10.04.30 # The dm320 targets are a bit unusual - there's a DSP as well as the main audio codec (I think...) 10.05.11 # yeah, but it includes two different files with the same functions (audiohw_init etc) 10.05.34 # hmm, perhaps this works in the old build because firmware is a lib, so double functions don't cause a conflict. 10.05.40 # exactly 10.05.42 # Yes. that does look very wrong... 10.06.19 # I'll leave it for now 10.06.57 Join ap0 [0] (n=kvirc@mer90-1-88-166-249-88.fbx.proxad.net) 10.07.05 # should I commit the i2c config change? 10.07.16 # who's working on this port? 10.07.31 # JdGordon: and kkurbjun i think' 10.09.21 Join feisar_ [0] (n=jljhook@sienikerho.com) 10.11.18 Join CaptainSquid [0] (n=Miranda@proxy13.netz.sbs.de) 10.11.55 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-72-229-212-61.nyc.res.rr.com) 10.20.52 Quit feisar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.25.13 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 10.26.32 Join bodymind [0] (n=bodymind@193.136.218.60) 10.27.58 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@Wa7c8.w.pppool.de) 10.33.21 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.34.31 Quit n1s () 10.34.35 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.35.26 Quit ap0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.36.50 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.38.02 Join ap0 [0] (n=kvirc@mer90-1-88-166-249-88.fbx.proxad.net) 10.43.13 # linuxstb: I have a few questions regarding libdemac 10.43.53 # You probably know the code better than me by now, but ask away... 10.44.13 # First I'd like to know whether it would make sense to have a central .h file instead of several, which defines build-time parameters 10.45.02 # I think that using 32 bit ints for the filters will be faster on arm7, but *only* there. So I'd like to make that type a macro (or typedef...) 10.46.47 # Second, I wonder what would be the best way to split the decode_chunk() function for dual-core operation, without giving up the universal character of the lib 10.47.10 # I want to put the entropy decoding on the CPU, and filter+predictor on the COP 10.49.22 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 10.49.34 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 10.50.19 # There probably are too many .h files at the moment - maybe something like "demac.h" for the public API, and then "demac_internal.h" for the private functions/types ? 10.50.20 Quit feisar_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.50.27 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@sienikerho.com) 10.51.17 # I'm not sure what you mean by "universal character of the lib" ? 10.54.09 # Right now decode_chunk() does everything to decode an ape bytestream into pcm data. For dual core operation, I either need to split it, or put rockbox specific code into the lib 10.55.04 # another config bug: creative zvm does not have LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH defined 10.55.17 # Imho that the first option is the way to go, but then the lib either has two different interfaces, or all callers need to be changed 10.56.26 # amiconn: As long as the standalone demac program can still be built, I don't mind what you do. AFAIK, no-one outside Rockbox is using libdemac. 10.56.43 # Doesn't ffmpeg use it? 10.57.09 # Not directly - they wrote their own decoder, based on libdemac. 10.57.11 # * amiconn also never tried to build the standalone decoder 10.58.32 # * linuxstb spots that it's broken ;) 10.58.36 # 182 files changed, 1492 insertions(+), 3463 deletions(-) ... 10.59.25 # libmad does have such an api with several functions where each one is only performing part of the decoding. 10.59.39 # linuxstb: oh? 11.00.39 # Type "make" in apps/codecs/demac/ 11.04.25 # does creative zvm even have a remote? 11.05.37 # I find a remote, but not with display 11.06.23 # maybe that's why depth isn't defined... 11.06.31 # "Optional wired remote, no LCD" 11.07.06 # yeah but then configure shouldn't output BMP2RB_REMOTENATIVE 11.07.20 # * Zagor fixes 11.09.16 # oops. doom/i_video.c:281:2: error: #error Keymap not defined! 11.09.22 # no doom for you! 11.10.48 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@134.173.63.19) 11.10.57 # perhaps I should look at the PLUGINS variable :) 11.13.34 # should we perhaps use ccache for genlang too? 11.13.48 # we should! 11.13.55 # or is ccache "too clever"? 11.14.12 # I don't know 11.14.19 # it might be 11.16.25 # * B4gder realizes a proper setup at home would be done so that the rbclient's ccache is shared with your regular user 11.16.40 # indeed 11.30.34 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 11.36.09 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 11.40.06 Join drewbs [0] (i=Baddy@97-88-201-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 11.40.11 Join solrize_ [0] (n=phr@unaffiliated/solrize) 11.40.26 # i'm nuts, i ordered three of the sansa clips from woot 11.40.43 # if any of the rockbox devs want one i can donate one 11.40.48 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 11.42.37 # solrize_: We're keen to find the so-called "version 2" clips. These are identified by running a v2.x.y original firmware, but don't seem very widespread yet. 11.42.49 # Or at least, I'm keen... 11.44.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.45.43 # gevaerts: I think Rockbox's FLAC decoder is pretty much optimised to death. I'm not sure how much has been done on wavpack though. Apple Lossless has hardly been optimised at all, so there is potential there 11.45.53 Quit Darksair ("dnner") 11.46.23 Nick MU{lappy} is now known as Unhelpful (n=Militant@pool-98-117-9-134.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 11.46.39 # hrm why is it i cant get themes to load properly? :( i cant seem to find any information on it 11.47.20 # drewbs: Where are you getting the themes from? Some third-party sites have very old themes not compatible with current Rockbox versions. 11.47.37 # rockbox.org 11.47.57 # Where exactly? 11.48.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g 11.48.28 # Which theme(s) have you tried? 11.48.56 # And how are you installing them? 11.49.25 # linuxstb: wavpack may be interesting, but I personally don't care at all about Apple Lossless. But since I'm not planning to do any work on this myself, this is pretty academic anyway 11.49.53 # im putting them in .rockbox 11.50.04 # ive tried a handful 11.50.17 # im beginning to think i might have been grabbing the wrong versions of themes 11.50.20 # I would guess Apple Lossless is the most-used Rockbox lossless codec after FLAC though. But that's just a guess... 11.50.20 # given my generation 11.50.22 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.35.81) 11.51.10 # drewbs: When you've installed the theme, do they show up in "browse themes" ? 11.52.13 # linuxstb: maybe, but I wouldn't even know how to encode them 11.52.45 # gevaerts: Up to recently, you needed itunes (or I think dbpoweramp), but I think ffmpeg now has an encoder. 11.53.08 # yeah they do 11.54.30 # linuxstb these clips i'm getting are woot refurbs so they are probably the old version 11.56.43 # hrm 11.56.47 # they seem to be working now 11.56.51 # just had the wrong generation 11.57.03 # its always something stupid :P 11.58.12 # wrong generation? You mean you don't have a 5g ipod? 11.59.59 # solrize_: unfortunately we already have a plenty of clips among the devs, since it's the cheapest ams sansa. Although more can't hurt 12.00.23 # solrize_: as far as I see we're lacking a) clipv2 and b) c200v2 12.02.21 # yeah i don't think i have any of those but will see when they arrive 12.08.49 Quit reacocard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.12.18 Join reacocard [0] (n=reacocar@WL-112.CINE.HMC.Edu) 12.12.46 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.12.57 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@sienikerho.com) 12.14.11 # linuxstb: how about a survey? when someone visits rockbox.org he gets a pop up to select his most used codecs. After one did that he would never see this pop up again 12.14.39 # I'm quite curious which codecs are most common and which not 12.19.22 Join Starfire [0] (n=c0120124@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cdc1b72612af2179) 12.20.13 # i would be surprised if it wasn't mp3 12.20.29 # oh lossless 12.20.48 # * LinusN crawls back under his rock 12.21.15 # listening to lossless on earbuds 12.21.17 # is lol 12.21.29 # Yes, I would expect mp3 to be #1 lossy, followed quite a way behind by vorbis. FLAC would be #1 lossless, followed by ALAC. All others would be a tiny minority. 12.22.12 # Although maybe AAC would have a fair number of users amongst ipod owners. 12.22.57 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@221.221.166.55) 12.25.56 Join J-23 [0] (n=kvirc@a105.net128.okay.pl) 12.30.53 Quit drewbs (":P~") 12.36.14 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@88-106-238-33.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.36.14 # wavpack can probably be optimized a bit more 12.36.25 # but it is pretty optimized, david himself saw to that 12.36.36 # why do we wonder about codec popularity, btw? 12.36.46 # is alac still dog slow? 12.36.52 # But did he concentrate on lossy, or lossless as well? Or are they very closely linked? 12.37.07 # preglow: Yes, I don't think anyone has touched alac. 12.37.23 # those two are very closely linked 12.37.26 # I think it needs some overall restructuring, then asm functions adding. 12.37.31 # i don't think lossy decoding differs from lossless 12.37.47 # that whole adaptive fir algorithm will make optimizing less efficient, tho 12.38.04 # i wonder how they manage to get so low compression ratios with such a complex algo 12.38.35 # Maybe they've optimised the encoder for speed? IIRC, itunes has no settings for alac encoding. 12.39.35 # It would be interesting to see how ffmpeg's encoder compares. 12.39.43 # i don't see why they would have chosen that algo at all if speed was an issue 12.39.55 # the flac way of doing things really should suffice 12.40.54 # do ffmpeg have a decoder of their own? 12.41.13 # They have both an encoder and decoder now. 12.42.10 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 12.42.29 # would be interesting to check out 12.42.40 # but yeah, why do we wonder what's the most popular? 12.42.49 # we gonna start ditching codecs soon? :> 12.43.01 # Just curiousity... 12.43.43 # But I agree it won't affect anything in practice. 12.44.53 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.35.81) 12.46.01 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.46.41 # would be cool to see a statistic on it, or something, but i guess we won't even get the majority of users to participate 12.46.59 # i also guess the results would be kind of obvious :) 12.47.09 # with mp3, vorbis and flac being high up 12.47.28 # shouldn't overlook aac either, of course 12.47.38 # is there a reason for using -fno-builtin for the sims? 12.50.54 # probably 12.51.03 # but who knows, lots of things have changed 12.51.08 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@vpn-3005.gwdg.de) 12.51.10 # * preglow vanishes 12.54.38 Quit suom1 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.54.38 Quit super (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 Quit AndyI (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 Quit larstobi (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 Quit cg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 Quit gevaerts (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.38 Quit scorche|sh (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.50 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.54.58 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.54.58 NJoin super [0] (i=1000@c80-217-68-219.bredband.comhem.se) 12.54.58 NJoin AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 12.54.58 NJoin larstobi [0] (n=larstobi@195.139.173.50) 12.54.58 NJoin cg [0] (n=cromos@cable-kmi-fefff900-32.dhcp.inet.fi) 12.54.58 NJoin gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 12.54.58 NJoin suom1 [0] (i=markus@viitamaki.net) 12.54.58 Join scorche|sh [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 12.55.25 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi) 12.56.37 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 12.57.29 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 13.00.52 Join moos [0] (i=moos@81-66-141-133.rev.numericable.fr) 13.07.52 Join Matthew_ [0] (n=chatzill@64.184.109.237.etczone.com) 13.07.59 Nick Matthew_ is now known as SpyderZ (n=chatzill@64.184.109.237.etczone.com) 13.08.03 # HELP!!! 13.08.32 # I mistakenly removed rockbox before i removed the bootloader. 13.08.57 # now my ipod wont start, and I don't want to reset my ipod 13.10.36 # 1) DON'T PANIC!!! 13.10.50 # okay 13.11.02 # 2) Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately turn on the hold switch. That should start the Apple firmware. 13.12.08 # Thank you soo much 13.13.21 Quit SpyderZ ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 13.13.54 # lol 13.14.02 # linuxstb: aw right \m/ 13.26.10 Join mofux [0] (n=quassel@dslb-092-078-082-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.27.32 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 13.28.25 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 13.29.19 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@nmd.sbx09467.newyony.wayport.net) 13.30.57 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 13.32.50 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 13.33.07 # Hi, I'm a complete newbie with rockbox so please bear with me :-) I have installed it and got it working fine on my Ipod 4th gen, but the issue is battery charging - it doesn't seem to! 13.33.44 # I have it connected via USB to mylaptop but have also tried directly into my computer, rockbox shows the charging indicator but it fails to charge 13.34.00 # if I reboot into the apple f/w I can get it to charge fine via my laptop 13.34.11 # is this a known issue, fault on my behalf etc? 13.35.00 # that is normal for the some of the PP targets.. the PP targets does not have full usb support yet 13.35.21 # PP targets? 13.35.36 # PortalPlayer. That's the name of the chip in the iPod. 13.35.59 # * gevaerts disagrees. Charging has nothing at all to do with usb support 13.36.06 # so you are saying that ipod 4th gen cannot be charged via usb when using rockbox? 13.36.29 # :-( 13.36.57 # It depends. It somewhat works for some people, but not for others 13.37.04 Join fredddy [0] (n=freddy@p3E9E25F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.37.05 # oops.. i forgot the plus in the second part 13.38.40 # so in my case the only way to charge it will be to boot back into the ipod firmware? 13.38.59 # sorry apple f/w 13.39.27 # gevaerts: Doesn't Rockbox have to request 500mA from the host? I thought the issue was that without doing anything special, only 100mA was provided (but I am very likely completely wrong...) 13.40.24 # linuxstb: you have to request 500mA, but (a) we do, and (b) while the spec says you have to request it, in practice nobody cares and you get whatever you want anyway 13.41.03 # (except on bus powered hubs, where you can cause real trouble by using too much) 13.42.54 # gevaerts: Rockbox does that on all PP targets? 13.43.10 # yes 13.44.12 # Do you know where? 13.44.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.44.59 # I have tried both yes and no for "Charge during USB connection" setting which mentions 500mA in the manual. So anyway I can charge while still using Rockbox? 13.45.02 # Somewhere in usb_core.c. There's also a function that you can use to ask if the host approved it 13.45.59 # LambdaCalculus37: test test :) 13.46.51 # kugel: Yes yes. :) 13.47.07 # * LambdaCalculus37 is joining in on the AMS Sansa fun 13.47.34 # kugel: I just bought a Sansa Clip, so I'm going to jump in on the porting fun. 13.47.40 # LambdaCalculus37: cool 13.49.26 # I have a slight suspicion that SanDisk made the clip only for rockbox devs: cheap and interesting to port device (because of the small room for features). 13.49.53 # It's not that small - 2.3MB is ample. 13.50.05 # kugel: Did you post a new patch? 13.50.07 # 2.3mb makes it more annoying than just .3 13.50.24 # LambdaCalculus37: yep 13.50.38 # JdGordon: then throw the 2. away :) 13.50.46 # who needs it anyway 13.51.13 # LambdaCalculus37: 2 minutes after your post yesterday 13.51.25 # Please chaps, anyway I can charge then while using rockbox? is this an issue with all ipod 4th gen, or for some reason just my ipod? 13.51.56 # Starfire: Try holding the MENU button as you plug in your iPod. 13.52.56 # I also tried this, it keeps rockbox running but it still shuts down with a flat battery so doesn't seem to make any difference 13.52.57 # kugel: Just got the patch. I've gotta run to work now, but I'll run a make session when I get there. 13.53.13 # nice 13.53.52 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Ka-chunka") 13.54.02 # Starfire: I think it has been said, charing is an issue on PP targets 13.54.44 # OK. Its just I saw no mention of this in the manual at all so thought I would ask. 13.54.55 # Is this fixable in a future version of rockbox? 13.56.12 # that is the hope 13.56.48 # ok cheers, any bug I can track? 14.01.47 # Starfire: according the flyspray, there's ~200 bugs to track 14.02.43 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 14.03.16 # 200 bugs for charging? oh..... 14.03.24 # Thanks for your assistance. 14.03.26 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.05.29 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 14.05.38 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 14.12.31 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.35 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@p54A5F562.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.14.23 Quit J-23 ("Flying cow pressed ^D on my keyboard.") 14.17.55 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 14.18.11 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a04303@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-116061b433bfbc2f) 14.22.09 # solrize_: if you want to donate a clip, I'd be happy to take it :) 14.23.51 Quit Starfire ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.24.27 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.27.00 Quit fredddy (Remote closed the connection) 14.30.46 Join pixelma_ [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.38.37 Join dabujo [0] (i=xx@p4FDB26E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.39.40 Quit bmbl (Connection timed out) 14.39.41 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.09 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@sienikerho.com) 14.42.14 Part B4gder 14.47.48 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.49 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 14.48.21 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-68-173-234-86.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.50.10 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.53.19 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.04.45 Join Only_By_Grace [0] (n=Luke@host103-6-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 15.07.59 Part Only_By_Grace 15.08.29 Part LinusN 15.10.52 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE21AFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.14.09 # LambdaCalculus37: are you already at work? 15.14.28 # kugel: Yes. I'm setting up my Mac. 15.16.47 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 15.17.08 Quit ap0 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.17.28 Join ap0 [0] (n=kvirc@mer90-1-88-166-249-88.fbx.proxad.net) 15.18.49 # Okay, all set up. Let's build this sucker. :) 15.20.55 # * LambdaCalculus37 runs make 15.21.01 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 15.21.13 # * Zagor surrenders and goes back to libfirmware.a 15.22.09 # Zagor: what will it be used for? 15.22.36 # it contains all code from firmware/* 15.23.03 # Zagor: what would be the benefit of not having it in a library? 15.23.22 # n1s: none, really. just a few lines less in the makefiles 15.23.54 # or, there is the benefit of actually seeing when we have duplicated code 15.24.05 # with a library, that gets hidden 15.24.46 # but I don't feel like tackling that problem in the same (huge) patch as the new make system 15.27.53 Join IudeX [0] (n=52a0f8f7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e29d01326e760b45) 15.30.05 Quit IudeX (Client Quit) 15.30.16 # why is it important to chmod -x on simulator .codecs? 15.30.20 Nick jfc^3 is now known as jfc (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 15.31.02 Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.Globcom.Net) 15.33.45 # kugel: Successful build. :) 15.34.32 # LambdaCalculus37: I expected that, since I tested building 15.34.33 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@dyndsl-095-033-082-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.35.10 # kugel: I'm going to install it. 15.38.07 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 15.41.01 # umm, do we really support any sims other than sdl? tools/configure doesn't seem to do it, at least 15.41.41 # who has built a win32 sim lately? 15.43.19 # Zagor: what's wrong with sdl? 15.43.54 # nothing. but the makefiles are full of ifdefs for x11 and win32 sims too, and I wonder if those are really alive. 15.44.10 Quit feisar ("leaving") 15.44.28 # no idea. I always thought it's enough if you compile the sim with mingw instead of gcc 15.44.33 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@sevo.fi) 15.44.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.45.36 # Zagor: I think we only support SDL 15.46.32 # will you remove it in the same patch? 15.47.06 # well if we don't support more than sdl I don't see a reason for copying old deprecated build rules to my new files 15.51.09 # kugel: Your patch is causing backlight fade in problems again. 15.51.24 # ok 15.51.28 # If I let the backlight fade out entirely, it won't fade back in, or even turn on for that matter. 15.51.41 # I'll see 15.58.15 # dionoea: i was just wondering: are you still working on FS#9368 ? 15.59.12 # LambdaCalculus37: but it fades out? and, if you interupt it while fading out does it then fade in again? 16.01.12 # Zagor: Some of the old x11/win32 specific makefile code has been removed, but not all. So IMO you can finish that cleaning job. 16.01.19 # good 16.02.16 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-87-117.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.02.17 # god I hate include order bugs 16.02.41 # they're strong indications of an unhealthy code base 16.06.29 # kugel: If I interrupt it while fading out, it "sticks" at the brightness level it reached, but if I go to adjust the brightness settings, it'll immediately jump to that value (e.g. set at 20, backlight fades to 10, adjust to 21 and it jumps to the 21 value). 16.15.37 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECCD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.16.33 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 16.16.59 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.18.03 Quit mofux (Remote closed the connection) 16.19.07 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.19.39 Join Photoguy [0] (n=Adams@91.143.237.183) 16.20.05 # I'm having database trouble.. 16.20.47 # I just reformatted my Sansa, and then reinstalled Rockbox... 16.21.21 # But every time I try to access the database, it says "Database not ready" 16.21.49 Join Sarquah [0] (n=hl@wnn73222.wireless.dtu.dk) 16.21.52 # Hi 16.22.15 # So, I update it, that worked fine, or so I though, but then when I rebooted, the datbase was full of duplicated MP3s! 16.22.37 # For each song in an album, there where about the songs! 16.22.39 # ... 16.22.43 # Hi. 16.22.46 # We are some students that are doing a poster about rockbox. We would like to know what type of OS structure, rockbox is.. Is it Monolithic? 16.24.16 # Sarquah: yes, it is. Wait, I'll look up a wiki page. 16.24.36 # Sarquah: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxArchitecture 16.25.09 # But ive looked there.. 16.25.13 # Photoguy: don't know what it could be.. 16.25.28 # Ok. 16.25.38 # Its like I cant see why it is monolithic 16.25.44 # Bother, It's driving me Bananas! 16.25.55 Join Juxta [0] (n=amidago@wnn73227.wireless.dtu.dk) 16.26.01 # If a teacher asks me why Rockbox is monolithic I cant really answer :P 16.26.28 # Sarquah: what is a monolithic os? I've heard of monolithic kernel, but not os. 16.26.44 # True 16.26.56 # Sarquah: what would be the alternative? Microkernel? 16.27.21 # Hmm I don't know.. my first guess would also be monolithic 16.27.29 # But.. why.. 16.27.41 # I mean, if it wasn't monolithic, what other options would there be 16.28.00 # oh 16.28.04 # monolithic kernels are kernels where everything is done by the same blob. the other alternative is distribution of code into several processes (or some such concept) 16.28.17 # Microkernel, exokernel, layered structure, client-server 16.28.28 # if that is what you mean, we are definitely monolithic 16.28.46 # we even have font support and all the drivers in the kernel 16.28.53 # good 16.28.57 # Nice answer markun :D 16.29.01 # markun: if you define that as kernel 16.29.19 # you can also say we have a kernel that is just a couple of hundred bytes 16.30.07 # I see you have as few system calls as possible.. 16.30.14 # markun you rock.. you know so much 16.30.27 # Juxta: what? 16.30.41 # Juxta is my partner in this poster :) 16.30.43 # Sarquah: yeah, 0 is pretty much as few as possible :) 16.30.45 # you a capable of answering all the questions all the time 16.30.45 # ah :) 16.31.07 # we're a bunch of noobs and needed a guy like you to save our asses 16.31.21 # well, don't always trust my answers. Better listen to Zagor if it's about the rockbox kernel. 16.31.43 # we don't have a kernelmode/usermode distinction, so you can say everything or nothing is the kernel. it's all just code that is doing its' job. 16.31.51 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47898.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.31.55 # ok 16.32.00 # hm 16.32.17 # we like to keep it simple 16.32.24 # would rockbox work on a "clean" audio player without any native OS ? 16.32.34 # Juxta: yes, that is what rockbox does 16.32.45 # it does not run on top of any OS 16.32.55 # ok 16.33.58 # ok. what about recharging and loading files from pc etc? i read something about rockbox could be installed on an ipod but the old firmware would not be deleted because it was used for recharging and loading? 16.34.24 # so when you plug ur ipod into the pc it would boot up on the old firmware 16.34.36 # yes, since we can't get hardware documentation some features take longer to support on some targets. 16.34.40 # Juxta: on ipods rockbox reboots to the original firmwafre for usb transfers currentl 16.35.07 # on some players rockbox supports native usb and charging 16.35.15 # okay 16.35.18 # thank you 16.35.19 # I have a question for my assignment. What kernel structure would be best for Rockbox? You say you have no really structure because it all lies in the kernel. Is this the best structure for a music OS? And why? 16.35.31 # and even with old archoses, get rde of orginal os ;) 16.35.35 # ride 16.35.45 # rid* ^^ 16.35.49 # :P 16.35.56 # hehe :) 16.36.18 # Sarquah: it's the best structure because it means the least amount of complexity, the least amount of code and hence, the least amount of bugs 16.36.39 # :D:D:D 16.36.51 # Thank you 16.37.05 # you might want to mention that we don't have malloc. that tends to send people into a spin... :-) 16.37.17 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b2857199ff0a0572) 16.37.36 # ok 16.37.54 # i hope we will have more rockbox users after our "poster" 16.38.11 # :D 16.38.14 # lol 16.38.30 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.38.36 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.38.47 Join J-23 [0] (n=kvirc@a105.net128.okay.pl) 16.38.54 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 16.39.31 # yay, sim builds 16.40.13 # Congrates! \o/ 16.42.11 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.03 # Zagor: Nice! :) 16.43.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 hopes this will get rid of problems building sims on OS X 16.43.23 # not much left now 16.43.47 # what problems are that? 16.44.43 # does any of you use any figures or diagrams/uml's ? 16.44.46 # I have SDL installed on my Mac, and building sims just errors out, because I'm figuring that it doesn't know whether to build an X11 sim or an SDL app. 16.44.57 # Juxta: not really, no 16.45.05 # ok 16.45.16 # so no architectural stuff 16.45.18 # LambdaCalculus37: That shouldn't be an issue - it should always try to build an SDL sim. 16.45.58 # Juxta: well we have some illustrations in the wiki. such as this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel 16.47.40 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 16.49.16 # linuxstb: Maybe it's just my bad luck, then. ;) 16.49.33 # Zagor: yea i've seen that one 16.50.39 # Juxta: generally, we prefer code over powerpoint slides ;) 16.50.56 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 16.51.22 # hehe i feel you. same here, but you know how they say "start out with the architecture to get a better overview etc" 16.51.55 # Juxta: they're teachers. they have to say that... 16.52.22 # haha, also rockbox was more evolved than designed 16.52.55 # yea 16.53.08 # evolution is vastly superior to design imho 16.53.38 # We're students.. 16.53.39 # but its actually not for the "teacher" but for the poster itself.. i mean if u pass by a poster with a shitload of text it wont attract u the same way as graphic does 16.54.19 # "shitload" would match rockbox nicely 16.54.25 # hehe 16.54.28 # haha 16.54.38 # well its fair documentet tho 16.55.07 # :D 16.55.53 # Juxta: it was just the word shit which reminded me of one of the more famous quotes about us: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes 16.56.51 # Juxta: I guess you'll have to use some fancy wps graphic to draw attention so they'll read all the text :) 16.58.10 # wps? 16.58.28 # we use jpg 16.58.30 # .. 16.58.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 16.58.47 # :D 16.58.49 # lol 16.58.50 # WPS = While Playing Screen 16.59.28 # good idea hehe 16.59.44 # We mean like pictures of the kernel... or something.. 16.59.56 # We could post a screenshot in the poster.. 17.00.02 # Sarquah, Juxta: what made you guys decide to make a poster about rockbox? Do you use it yourself? 17.00.17 # yea 17.00.18 # I know. But we don't have any other than the one in RockboxKernel. we're not much for drawing. 17.00.24 # :D 17.00.31 # Hmm 17.00.41 # Could we use the picture or have you copyrighted it? 17.00.51 # we'lll just slash some porno pic's on the poster and we'll get the attention wanted 17.01.06 # Sarquah: go ahead an use it 17.01.12 # thank you 17.01.12 # :) worked so far in the real world ^^ 17.01.30 # * Zagor just spotted the Pen&Paper theme. Nice! 17.02.08 # But our teacher will ask if we have a license to use the picture 17.02.10 # What do we say? 17.02.33 # Zagor the wise gave us a mutu.. written license :D 17.02.40 # do you mean the kernel image? 17.02.47 # yeah 17.03.35 # well, how about you say you asked and we said it was ok? 17.04.00 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47898.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.04.06 # Fine with me :P 17.04.12 # send us an email if possible? 17.04.39 # if you want to be that "proper", you should contact MiikaPekkarinen who made image 17.04.42 # we'll say we asked the moderators per mail and you answered us :) 17.04.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiikaPekkarinen 17.05.11 # got to go but thx a lot for all the help 17.05.18 # you're welcome 17.05.27 Quit Juxta () 17.05.32 # :) 17.06.21 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.07.26 # Well im off too 17.08.02 # Hope I can drink a beer after todays work about analysing rockbox :P 17.08.16 # But the others are lazy and boring.. 17.08.50 # So thank you guys. We'll maybe ask some questions next week 17.08.57 # See you 17.08.58 Quit Sarquah () 17.10.13 # what's the library of printf in rockbox? i'm trying stdio.h... 8) and sprintf.h... :s 17.13.17 # bodymind: I think there is no printf since we have no console to print to. What are you trying to do? 17.13.29 # bodymind: we don't have printf but there's DEBUGF 17.16.31 # i want to help on e200v2.. i get an ATA Error: -1... :s i wan't to debug it.. 17.16.33 # :$ 17.17.01 # but i don't know much about rockbox code... i'm reading some parts of the wiki 17.17.15 # where can i read that stuff? 17.20.47 # bodymind: I would just look at the source code which gives you the ATA error and print it in the same way :) 17.21.05 # btw, those ATA errors could use some cleaning up.. 17.21.41 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 17.24.10 # i think it all starts in ata_sd_3525.c sd_read_error... but i have to find in which "goto" it's called 8) 17.24.15 # how can i use DEBUGF ? 17.26.43 # Can anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot? 17.26.46 Quit CaptainSquid ("Miranda IM!") 17.32.06 # always two copies, or sometimes three and four? 17.34.22 # bodymind: You can't use DEBUGF - it's only available in the simulator, or on some targets via a serial connection. 17.34.53 # bodymind: There's a "printf" in the bootloader (bootloader/common.c I think) - you could use that if you're testing the bootloader. 17.35.43 Join Nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@mx00.linkprotect.de) 17.39.57 # nop... now i only get a blank screen.. :( and sometimes a ATA error: -1... 17.40.08 Quit esthar (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.40.08 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.40.08 Quit Xerion (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.40.08 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.40.23 # now i got the ATA error: -1 :o 5min ago i got the blank screen 17.40.26 # weird.. 8) 17.41.33 # now a blank :o 17.41.58 Quit pabs (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.42.58 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.42.58 NJoin esthar [0] (n=esthar@student165-170.hampshire.edu) 17.42.58 NJoin Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.42.58 NJoin BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 17.43.33 # Can anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot? 17.44.11 # my answer is on the forum :) 17.44.25 # Ok, I'll see if I can find it. 17.44.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.45.10 # Sorry, where in the forum is it? 17.47.57 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-71-198-1-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.53.21 # my.. :| not yours.. Lol 17.57.09 Join aarcane [0] (n=aarcane@c-67-187-242-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.59.30 # Photoguy: always two copies, or sometimes three and four? 17.59.50 # (to quote soap) 17.59.56 # Three-4-5-6-7... 18.00.01 # On it goes :P 18.00.15 # Have you checked your disk for errors? 18.00.33 # How's that done? 18.00.37 # Somewhere (don't remember where) it was stated that it is caused because auto-update doesn't check for deleted files etc because it would take too long. ? 18.00.52 # is this true? 18.01.13 # Photoguy: Using chkdisk on Windows, mkfs,vfat on Linux, or something else on something else... 18.01.23 # Heh... 18.01.34 # I can't, the USB is broken.. 18.01.51 # Both the cord, and the 30-pin. 18.02.05 # use it on the SD... 18.02.08 # Then you're fsck'ed... 18.02.23 # Yeah.. 18.02.26 Quit trisiak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.26 # BTW, I meant to say fsck.vfat, not mkfs.vfat... 18.02.33 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-243-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 18.02.34 # I'm trying the advice on that thread.. 18.02.44 # I might get an answer, hold on. 18.02.50 Join tree [0] (n=tree@chello089078243195.chello.pl) 18.03.01 Quit Nibbler ("Ex-Chat") 18.03.04 Nick tree is now known as trisiak (n=tree@chello089078243195.chello.pl) 18.03.49 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.03.52 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.05.42 Nick trisiak is now known as tree (n=tree@chello089078243195.chello.pl) 18.05.46 Nick tree is now known as trisiak (n=tree@chello089078243195.chello.pl) 18.06.21 # I tried they're advice (on the forum) but it still comes up with 11,000 entries! 18.06.35 # But I only have about 80 songs. 18.06.52 # Each one is duplicated several times. 18.08.31 # Oh! forgot to mention, I'm running Kugel build lates version. 18.09.26 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-84-200.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.09.36 Quit Xerion (" ") 18.09.44 # Then you should try an official build, or ask kugel for help - we've no idea how he's changed Rockbox. 18.10.49 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.11.15 # Photoguy: You know how that build is called "Unsupported"... 18.11.22 # I know.. 18.11.40 # But, I it's not really a build specfic problem... 18.11.41 # Doesn't that suggest that it is unsupported? 18.11.46 # It might well be 18.12.01 # I still had it when using Rockbox official. 18.12.07 # Then say so 18.12.53 # We do not support unsupported builds at all. If after resetting settings, reinitialising the database etc with the latest current build, try again 18.13.01 # Come back if they problem still exists 18.13.05 Join |ap0| [0] (n=kvirc@mer90-1-88-166-249-88.fbx.proxad.net) 18.13.25 # *the 18.13.28 Quit ap0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.25.45 Join perrikwp [0] (i=982133f1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df64c9f6fea2f405) 18.25.47 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.27.54 Quit obo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.35.50 Quit Darksair ("(define zero (lambda (f) (lambda (x) x)))") 18.39.08 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 18.41.37 Join obo [0] (n=obo@rockbox/developer/obo) 18.47.02 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18.47.07 # LambdaCalculus37: still there? 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I'm going to try it in a bit. 19.33.57 # I think there is a problen with the service manual on the page of the philips hdd6330 19.34.31 # I have it and it says confidential and this doesn't look to have the metion 19.34.43 # mention confidential 19.34.53 # can we let it there ? 19.36.52 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) 19.41.12 # The one on the site is confidential too, look at the schematics, can we let it there ? 19.41.32 Quit n17ikh|Lappy () 19.44.41 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.44.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.45.59 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.46.31 Join AndrewLapTop [0] (n=on@c83-255-22-141.bredband.comhem.se) 19.49.31 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 19.49.43 Quit TheSphinX^ ("XChat@Linux") 19.50.16 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.52.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 19.54.51 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p579ECCD2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.55.40 # * kugel hopes LambdaCalculus37 has results for him soon 20.00.39 # kugel: I'm rolling another build now. 20.03.20 Quit tvelocity ("Αποχώρησε") 20.04.47 Part toffe82 20.06.27 # great 20.06.42 # Sweet. 20.09.36 # Photoguy: I think I've clearly stated it in the post for my build. Never ask here for support when running my build, unless you can prove it's not related to my build. Prove as in reproducing the problem in a official build 20.16.48 # LambdaCalculus37: ? :) 20.17.10 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.17.50 # Fade out works fine; fade in is very rough and choppy. 20.18.16 # It raises a bit, pauses for a split second, then choppily climbs to the set brightness. 20.18.45 # Sorry to intterupt, is this about Sansa V2? 20.19.23 # LambdaCalculus37: is that always like that? 20.19.39 # kugel: Every time I let it fade out and in, yet. 20.19.47 # Photoguy: No, this is a patch kugel's working on. 20.20.02 # Ah. 20.20.08 # LambdaCalculus37: weird, working fine on my sansa 20.21.01 # Must be doing something off on the beast, then. 20.27.46 # LambdaCalculus37: I updated 20.29.10 # LambdaCalculus37: this time I'm not really sure if that works (as in this is a try-and-error version) 20.29.39 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.30.26 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.31.53 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.31.55 # kugel: Got the patch; patching and trying again (and crossing my fingers! ;)) 20.32.23 # * LambdaCalculus37 is being called off for a bit 20.35.00 Quit Photoguy ("Leaving") 20.45.44 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 20.45.47 Join kugel_ [0] (n=chatzill@e178070178.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.45.50 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=chatzill@e178070178.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.46.56 Join fredddy [0] (n=freddy@p3E9E200A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.48.12 Join webguest49 [0] (n=47aafc39@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-224389582fedb411) 20.48.16 # kugel: Same thing. 20.48.40 Join AndyIL [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 20.48.59 Quit webguest49 (Client Quit) 20.49.10 Join bucks [0] (n=44752c97@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-56868e09b1c45201) 20.49.19 # LambdaCalculus37: still choppy ? 20.49.37 # kugel: Exactly the same as before. 20.49.47 # is it possible to "brick" my ipod? 20.50.09 Quit J-23 ("Flying cow pressed ^D on my keyboard.") 20.50.27 # hello 20.50.35 # how is everyone today 20.50.42 # ipods are normally only brickable with a hammer and gusto .-) 20.50.57 # ;) i have an interesting problem for you then 20.51.44 # i installed rockbox on 5th gen 30gig video ipod, then i used windows explorer to format the ipod disk, now my computer won recognize my ipod 20.51.57 # wont* 20.52.10 # you probably formated it as ntfs :-) 20.52.37 # i also am unable to shut down my ipod, i fear when the battery dies all is lost= brick 20.52.43 # go into disc mode, and see if the pc then detects it again.. 20.53.12 # if the battery dies, you just have to recharge.. nothing is lost... 20.53.17 # tried that no go, also my ipod service is set to auto and under device manager nothing 20.53.55 # stop the itunes crap, reboot the ipod into disc-mode and try again... 20.54.23 # i am able to switch disk mode and an error that says cant load rockbox.ipod 20.54.31 # (disc-mode is the select+play at bootup thing) ... 20.55.16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 20.55.20 # yea crap tried that and i never had itunes or ipod update on my main computer but i tried those progs as well on my other cpu still nuttin any advice? 20.55.36 # tried the disc mode variations no go 20.55.58 # * domonoky has problems understanding your sentences... 20.56.18 # sorry only trying to give out the important stuff 20.56.27 # if you go to disc-mode, it shows a usb-icon and not "can not find rockbox.ipod" should show up.. 20.56.43 # s/not/no 20.56.59 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@83.233.243.5) 20.57.27 # i can go into disk mode fine, umm when i press select menu again to get back to OS MODE i can error that says cant load rockbox.ipod 20.58.50 # please dont mix up different things... rockbox wont load, because you formated the disc. Disk-mode is apples software which sould always work.. 20.59.54 # kk sorry ummm, disk mode is great but my computer doesnt read the ipod is disc mode in any way shape or form, and way to force that? 21.00.30 # if you have a linux machine available, you could go into disc-mode, connect it, and see what dmesg says... 21.00.44 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.00.56 # hmm interested not a bad idea, no linux tho and my VM doesnt support usb lol 21.01.12 # does windows detect the USB device ? 21.01.24 # negative so there is no way to update or delete it 21.01.26 # LambdaCalculus37: next try ... 21.01.44 # LambdaCalculus37: this should fix it actually...I made a pretty stupid typo 21.01.47 # bucks: i mean the usb device, not the disk itself... 21.01.55 Quit Bensawsome (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.01.58 Join kronflux [0] (n=kronflux@blk-138-78-15.eastlink.ca) 21.02.21 # if it doesnt even detec any usb device, try another usb-cable and/or usb-port 21.02.36 # bucks: try virtualbox, that supports usb 21.02.47 # my computer doesnt read the ipod usb but it had no problem b4 i formatted it, crappin bricks here lol 21.03.01 # bucks: to try it with linux, you could also use a "live cd" .. 21.03.30 # nice idea however to machine with linux atm 21.03.34 # no* 21.04.08 # bucks: no new usb-device in the "device manager" when you connect the ipod ? what does the ipod show when you connect it ? 21.05.48 # * domonoky hints that a live cd turns any PC temporarly into a linux pc if you want.( nothing changed on the HD) .. 21.06.03 # no usb pops up and the ipod shows whichever screen i left it at ( the 2 screens i have are the error that says cant load rockbox.ipod and the disc mode/bios/diagnostics) 21.06.43 # tell us exactly what it shows when you connect it... vage descriptions dont help.. 21.10.08 # the screen does not change at all when i connect the ipod to the computer, pressing select-menu on the ipod i can however switch between 2 screens, the error screen that says: Rockbox boot loader version :3.0 ipod version: 0x000b0005 toshiba mk3008gal partition 1: 0x0c 28537 mb loading rockbox... error! cant load rockbox.ipod file not found hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode 21.10.41 # and the other screen being srv diag boot 21.10.47 # or disk mode 21.10.48 # just boot it into disk mode and extract the .zip file... 21.10.52 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 21.11.08 # you say that windows isnt recognizing the ipod?...do you have itunes installed? 21.11.19 # the ipod and the computer arnt taking- they just had a big fight lol so no extracting here 21.11.30 # ... 21.11.33 # yes windows doesnt recog ipod 21.12.32 # itunes and ipod restorer or what prog that is dont work either cuz my computer just aint seeing it, the ipod and the computer did however see eachother b4 i formatted the ipod 21.12.56 # bucks: "Showing up as a disk" is not necessary for iTunes to restore it. 21.14.47 # * domonoky wanted that buck tells him what is displayed when you connect the ipod in disc-mode, trying it in the rockbox bootloader screen is pointless... 21.15.49 # * domonoky also wanted to know if the device-manager finds anything when you connect in !disc-mode! 21.19.48 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-d6139a52cedef8f9) 21.20.01 # computer shows no signs of recognition in device manager usb devices or explorer, and im not telling my ipod to try to reload rockbox its auto 21.21.00 Join SolarP1993DS [0] (n=nds@115.145.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 21.21.08 # hello 21.21.16 # hi solar 21.21.28 Nick SolarP1993DS is now known as Solarpolitiks (n=nds@115.145.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 21.21.54 # bucks: As domonoky noted, you should only try connecting in disk mode, and you should tell him what's on the player's screen, and what device manager says, when you plug it in in disk mode. 21.21.57 # * domonoky suspects broken usb cables/ usb port.. did you try different pcs, ports.. 21.22.12 # this is my first time here 21.22.32 # but i am still not sure buck is in the right disc-mode screen... he is still too vage.. 21.22.50 # Solarpolitiks: We strongly recommend people read the IrcGuidelines link in the topic when they first arrive. 21.23.04 # Solarpolitiks: hello, if you have questions, just ask, if it is rockbox related... 21.23.11 # ok 21.23.54 # disk mode is menu+select then select+previous correct? 21.24.05 # no 21.24.10 # sweet 21.24.14 # how you do it? 21.24.37 # bucks: You even typed how to do it in the channel yourself... 21.24.40 # "hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode" 21.24.48 # Well i was wondering is there gonna be a usb mode for rockbox on the sansa c200 21.25.07 # Solarpolitiks: Nobody can predict if the remaining problems will be solved. 21.25.15 # ok 21.25.30 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@75-165-227-200.slkc.qwest.net) 21.25.35 # Solarpolitiks: usb in rockbox is still not ready for general use, but you can reboot into the OF (it may even be automatic) .. 21.25.49 # yeah i know 21.26.07 # it is automatic 21.26.09 # ty so much for helping guys!!!!!!!! you guys rock!!!! 21.26.25 # * bucks feels kinda dumb no ;) ;) ;) 21.26.30 # now* ;p 21.26.34 Quit bucks ("CGI:IRC") 21.27.02 # I was wondering because only rb firmware accepts my sdhc card 21.27.23 Join dany_21a_ [0] (n=dan@chello084115131245.3.graz.surfer.at) 21.28.33 # Solarpolitiks: when the remaining usb problems are solved, you could also use the sdhc via usb... but it seem "Mr.Someone" already has too much work todo :-) 21.28.45 # LambdaCalculus37: :) 21.28.56 # LambdaCalculus37: you know what I'm going to ask about :p 21.29.05 # oh ok 21.29.13 # ty domonoky 21.31.47 # oh another thing 21.32.00 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 21.32.34 # ive looked up directions on how to use picture flow but i get he error "cant read bmp files" 21.32.40 # *the 21.33.51 # any suggestion? 21.34.33 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 21.34.47 # you probably didnt set up the album art correctly.. does album Art work in the WPS ? 21.35.15 # no it doesnt 21.35.44 # kugel: Haven't had a chance to try rolling another build yet. 21.38.59 # LambdaCalculus37: ok. Just ping me if you have time 21.40.21 # Solarpolitiks: if album art in the wps (with a theme which supports aa) doesnt work, you didnt set up the album art correctly.. 21.41.02 # LambdaCalculus37: seems like everyone relies on you for something or other :p so speaking of relying on you, any further progress with the nano2g? XD 21.41.54 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust660.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 21.41.55 # oh ok 21.42.10 Quit fredddy (Remote closed the connection) 21.44.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.47.04 # kronflux: I haven't had a chance to play much with the nano as of late. 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I can not read the first button after rising the colum pin. A short delay beween rising the gpio row pin and reading the colum pins solves the problem. 22.12.56 # that doesn't really surprise me to be honest 22.16.04 Quit nplus (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.39 Quit meven (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.53 # bertrik: is it because we run at such a high speed and the buttons just dont cope with the speed, or do you suspect some glitch ? 22.17.35 Quit gabe565 ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 22.18.39 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.06 # I think it is because of the high speed 22.21.49 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 22.24.45 Part homielowe 22.30.19 Join [KiNG] [0] (i=RedGuard@151.67.236.172) 22.34.37 Quit AndrewLapTop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.38.11 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.1b2pre/20081110034911]") 22.42.44 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.43.08 Join Aicart [0] (n=aideb@unaffiliated/aicart) 22.43.10 # Hello 22.48.32 # hi! 22.48.37 Join hd [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.49.22 Quit hd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.49.22 Quit HellDragon (Connection reset by peer) 22.49.28 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.52.52 # I have upgraded my rockbox and it says that it can't find rockbox.ipod .. I was looking on Internet and I found I have to re-compile rockbox. Any ideas ? 22.53.16 # definitely not. You sure you extracted the complete zip to the player? 22.53.42 Join whydoubt [0] (n=whydoubt@ip68-12-76-9.ok.ok.cox.net) 22.53.58 # yes 22.54.24 # how did you update? Have you installed other 3rd party software on the Ipod? 22.55.17 # only Rockbox 22.55.29 # I have update with the qt gui 22.55.36 # but I have tried manually too 22.55.40 # and nothing ... 22.55.53 # but Rockbox was installed before? 22.56.27 # yes 22.56.47 # and it was ok 22.57.12 # when did you install the bootloader? 22.57.51 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 22.57.54 # I don't remember, but I think problems come with version 3.0 22.58.09 # Can I install the oldest ? 22.58.22 # I can't find it 22.58.25 # I highly doubt that. How old is the bootloader? Did the old install have a file /rockbox.ipod? 22.58.58 # I don't remember 22.59.06 # The bootloader is the newest now 22.59.14 Quit [KiNG] (":: [rED-mIRC] :: [by KerneL] :: [NoSpam] :: [Just Ask For] ::") 22.59.20 # hmpf. How long ago did you do the install? 22.59.38 # one year, two years, two weeks ...? 22.59.44 # the new install ? I have do it lots of times, just now the last one 22.59.59 # the first install i don't remember, one year 23.00.01 # no, when did you make the installation of the bootloader. 23.00.03 # more or less 23.00.16 # hmm, should be new enough. Have you tried reinstalling the bootloader? 23.00.18 # but I have re-installed the bootloader 23.00.27 # and the problem persists 23.00.46 # It's strange 23.01.04 # well, that sounds like a filesystem issue. Try running fsck.vfat / chkdsk 23.03.15 # bluebrother: I have try fsck.vfat -a 23.03.30 # and it has created some files like fsck*.rec 23.05.01 # well, in that case something was broken with your filesystem. Reinstalling might be in place to ensure no Rockbox files were lost. 23.06.52 # I will try to arrange the fs 23.09.53 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 23.10.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 23.15.34 Quit Aicart (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.45 Join perrikwp [0] (i=d1a8d351@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b5ffbc571a7781d) 23.18.54 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.19.52 # linuxstb: do you know the state of the themes site code? 23.25.01 Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") 23.26.07 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 23.26.32 # bluebrother: Not really. mcuelenaere started changing what I committed, and I'm not sure what he's done. It's in SVN though... 23.27.04 # I started looking at it and hoped you had an overview. 23.27.28 # AFAICR it has basic viewing functionality and basic upload/verificationing functionality 23.27.50 # I think I made a Wiki page for it 23.27.57 # or edited an already existing one 23.28.02 # When I committed it, I was working on the upload validation. I got as far as validating the list of files, so the next thing was to actually unzip it, then run the appropriate checkwps, then either give feedback on errors to the user, or add it to the db. 23.28.12 # as displaying the themes basically works AFAICS there shouldn't be much holding us back from setting up the site at least for read access 23.28.24 # bluebrother: The lack of content... 23.28.37 # uploading works, displaying themes works, verification of uploaded themes works pretty good 23.28.46 # (it uses checkwps and some other rules) 23.28.50 # wasn't soap interested in cleaning up the wiki? 23.28.53 # I would prefer the actual copyright holders of themes to upload them to the new site, rather than us taking them from elsewhere 23.29.25 # We also need to decide on exactly what metadata we want for each theme. 23.29.30 # * Zagor spots superfluous file apps/codecs/codec.h 23.29.44 # hmm. That requires the site to be fully completed at least for basic functionality 23.30.39 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.30.57 # I remember myself thinking what should be done next, so I think most of the basic stuff has already been done 23.31.35 # well, rbutil integration is missing ;-) 23.31.56 # but that should be rather easy. I was thinking about doing that when I find some time 23.32.05 # I was waiting on scorche for that 23.32.25 # on scorche? Why that? 23.32.34 # I needed the old PHP files from the old theme site for that, and I remember that scorche told me he had them 23.33.15 # ah. Well, the format is rather easy -- it's a simple ini file. 23.33.42 # I should have it floating around somewhere too. Need to check the other harddrive though 23.34.06 # bluebrother: What character encoding should that "inI file" be? utf-8? 23.34.14 # isn't it also in the C++ code of RBUtil? 23.34.57 # linuxstb: not sure if we checked for non-ascii characters in the past, but utf-8 would be the way to go 23.35.26 # It's worth deciding that now, and making sure the theme site uses utf-8 everywhere. 23.36.56 # are the "display themes" pages currently using floating divs or are they tables? (both have their downsides) 23.37.01 # IMO that site should be utf-8 only. Would make things much easier than handling with other encodings 23.37.18 # pixelma: I think they're using tables 23.37.32 # but with the extension that you can set how many rows should get displayed 23.37.48 # pixelma: tables (but there's an option to select the number of rows you want to get displayed) 23.37.57 # ah, remember now 23.38.25 # not sure if I like that too much though, but it's at least a way :) 23.38.25 Quit n1s () 23.39.02 # bluebrother: what don't you like about it? 23.39.32 # bluebrother: it was a compromise between the DIVs and the tables 23.41.36 # * mcuelenaere spots a mistake in tools.php 23.42.09 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.42.13 # pixelma: it not adjusting automatically to the browser window width :) 23.43.07 # if you have a better idea... 23.43.44 Join tyfoo2 [0] (n=tyfoo@dyndsl-095-033-109-097.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.43.51 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@host-69-145-35-234.static.bresnan.net) 23.43.59 Join ajonat [0] (n=ajonat@190.48.98.3) 23.44.13 # (how to achieve that) 23.44.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.45.24 # display:table would be an option, but I don't think it's support in current browsers makes this an alternative 23.46.09 # bluebrother: there was some discussion about this some time ago, it's in the IRC logs 23.46.35 # ok. Qt seems to consider the content of ini files to be local8bit, but making it use utf8 isn't a problem. 23.46.56 # mcuelenaere: well, I don't have a too strong opinion about this so I'm fine with the current state. 23.49.12 # bluebrother: where did you get the Received: from 78-22-179-2.access.telenet.be ([78.22.179.2] helo=mauruswinxp) 23.49.15 # woops 23.49.32 # where did you get the theme_dump.tgz file from? I couldn't find the link 23.50.27 # theme_dump.tgz? 23.50.52 # I think I have a copy of the rbutil php script floating around because I wrote it ;-) 23.51.08 # (back the days the theme site was run by RedBreva) 23.51.09 # the data/* dir which contains all the example themes 23.51.19 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 23.51.20 # I think I got mine from linuxstb 23.52.11 Join jhulst_ [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.52.44 Quit jhulst (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.52.48 # dang. Now they finally disabled my uni account :( 23.54.11 Quit Strife89 ("Off to watch a play.") 23.54.13 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-243-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.54.27 # so I have to check the other hard disc tomorrow 23.55.51 Nick jhulst_ is now known as jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 23.57.24 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 23.57.49 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-243-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.58.02 Quit tyfoo (No route to host) 23.58.06 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 23.58.16 Part evilnick 23.58.30 Join MethoS [0] (n=clemens@host-091-097-243-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de)