--- Log for 18.12.108 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.09 # When I try using the RockBox Utility to install rockbox on my sansa e250R, I get a 404 error 00.00.20 # Is there a problem with where files are stored for firmware? 00.00.45 Join moos [0] (i=moos@rockbox/staff/moos) 00.02.46 Quit XavierGr () 00.03.51 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.10.24 # RockRabbit: Note that you need to re-login / start a new shell, else your PATH changes aren't active 00.10.53 # RockRabbit: do "echo $PATH" to see if the compiler directory is in 00.14.58 Join hd [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.15.21 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.36 Nick Martyn is now known as Martyn|away (n=martinb@adsl-70-231-242-168.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 00.15.50 Quit hd (Remote closed the connection) 00.15.59 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.17.37 Nick Martyn|away is now known as Martyn (n=martinb@adsl-70-231-242-168.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 00.19.23 # heh, saratoga forgot that the maximum file size on FAT is 4.3GB 00.20.11 # *cough* on FAT32 00.20.22 # right you are! 00.21.01 # And it's one byte -smaller- than 4G 00.21.31 # So 3 gigs, 999 megs, 999kb, 999bytes 00.21.51 Quit bxcracer (Remote closed the connection) 00.22.23 # 2^32-1 00.23.45 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 00.23.51 # Martyn, i believe rockbox utility will not install the bootloader on the e200r, since you need to do some manual patching. the manual should have instructions on how to manually install 00.24.27 # I think it just has a link to the wiki page 00.24.27 # Either way, it is findable 00.25.13 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 00.28.58 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008111319]") 00.29.25 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 00.31.40 Quit Martyn () 00.34.56 # I don't know if this is entirely on topic, but I want to share it, it's a screen capture of a turret defense plugin I've been playing around with 00.35.10 # the boxes represent the path the enemies follow 00.35.13 # http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v494/blackpanzer/?action=view¤t=bad_path_finding.flv 00.35.19 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.35.19 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.36.14 # the path finding clearly needs some improvement 00.39.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.41.11 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-244-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.41.35 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 00.44.06 Quit RockRabbit ("CGI:IRC") 00.45.11 # Aurix_Lexico: I'm looking :) 00.48.24 Join ThOr101 [0] (n=bthorson@pool-96-255-184-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 00.48.53 # Holy nutz, what an awesome piece of software. I've been using it less than 24 hours, and it just FLIES! 00.49.18 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.50.23 # I do have one question though (of course). I couldn't find it in the iPod or Battery FAQ. In the documentation (ipod 5.5 80G) General Set -> Battery Set -> Charge During USB Connection. I don't see that on my build. Any clues? 00.50.26 # ThOr101: thanks for that, I think #rockbox-community might share your excitement 00.50.39 # this is kind of the developer channel ;) 00.51.06 # Ahh, well, thanks then, and other than my Q, I'll keep the noise down. :-) 00.51.14 # Or should I ask my Q there? 00.51.16 # I don't own an iPod so I can't really comment on your other question 00.51.48 # lucent, no, this is a development AND support channel 00.52.17 # ThOr101, are you using an official build? 00.52.26 # Yessir. I used the auto installer 00.52.45 # Which other than the well documented themes burped, worked flawlessly. 00.53.24 # ThOr101, well, just wait around awhile and perhaps somebody with an ipod (or who knows the answer) will see your question 00.53.30 # r19464-081217 00.53.42 # sounds good. Thanks :-) 00.55.14 # I may have answered my own Q. When I went to RB info page to get the version, it has Battery: Charging (It is currently plugged in - held down menu to maintain RB state). So it does appear to be charging 00.58.08 Quit tyfoo ("Carpe diem") 01.02.20 Quit aneqrs () 01.02.57 Join webguest26 [0] (n=4a39cdc8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ccd8f38c389f49ca) 01.03.04 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 01.13.17 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 01.16.29 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.35 Quit ThOr101 ("ThOr101 has no reason") 01.20.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc3-hem18-0-0-cust53.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 01.25.06 Quit alexbobp ("leaving") 01.26.49 Join RockRabbit [0] (n=3aac9a01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8e299563d204cfa2) 01.30.00 # I'm getting errors using rockboxdev.sh to build the development tools. Here is the output http://pastebin.com/m10291eed. Anyone any idea what this might be? Lucent - this is not the error we got before - this is using my previous install of rockbox. 01.30.59 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 01.35.40 # RockRabbit: it's a common error, quite google-able 01.38.04 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 01.38.28 # RockRabbit: i.e. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232079 01.39.15 # my host compiler is gcc 4.3.2 btw 01.39.26 # RockRabbit: what's your host compiler version? gcc --version 01.40.39 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.42.38 # gcc (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) 4.3.2 01.45.47 # i see theres a patch - but i have no idea how to apply it. Will the fix be backported to ubuntu as part of a normal update? 01.47.58 # RockRabbit: I'm running ubuntu 8.10 x64 just fine 01.48.08 # rockboxdev.sh did well 01.48.09 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.02 # Odd. How is that possible, unless you applied the patch, or perhaps you have not applied all the updates to ubuntu? 01.49.31 # I installed the toolchain 2 weeks ago or so. I had all updates at that time 01.50.00 # maybe something in svn broke it. You might try an older revision 01.50.24 # I install it on ubuntu 8.10 and no problem too 01.50.46 Quit n1s () 01.51.03 # RockRabbit: did you make sure you have the build-essential package installed? if not, install it 01.51.12 # mmmm. im baffled. We both have the same OS, yours works and mine does'nt. I did get this all working a few weeks back on either Ubuntu or Fedora (can't remember which), so its even more puzzling. 01.51.14 # with the last update of ubuntu last week 01.51.32 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.4/2008112309]") 01.51.57 # RockRabbit: as I said, it might be possible that rockboxdev.sh is broken in svn. I recommend obtaining an older version to see if it works 01.52.19 # yes i have build-essential. As far as I know I followed the exact same steps to install rockbox this time as i did a few weeks back, and then it worked without a hitch. 01.52.20 # just type "svn up -r19000" e.g. in the rockbox source folder, then try again 01.53.05 # sorry kugel i missed that previous comment. ok, ill give that a try. 01.55.10 Quit dfkt_dt (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.55.50 Part toffe82_ 01.57.03 # came back with "Skipped ." 01.57.38 # RockRabbit: I'm inclined to say that either your hardware or your OS is hosed 01.58.12 # ive got my fingers crossed its the os 02.00.17 # I see "Skipped." when I accidentally try to update while in a wrong directory 02.01.58 # RockRabbit: skipped is wrong 02.02.42 # you probably were in the wrong directory, as pixelma said 02.04.45 # is was in the rockbox-3.0 directory. Anyway, ive deleted the directory and am re copying from svn using "svn co .... -r19000" 02.04.54 Quit maddler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.05.42 # RockRabbit: oh, you're having the 3.0 source? so not from svn? 02.08.52 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.44 # You have a point - im really not too sure how I got it. Ive been doing so much trial and error stuff over the past few weeks, and being new to Linux, Rockbox, svn, arm assembler, etc, the past few weeks have been a blur. 02.11.16 # ive had about 8 different os's on the pc in the last few weeks too. 02.14.28 # the memory just clicked into place. I got rockbox from a 7zip file - the release version, and i used svn to get the mkamsboot code. 02.15.30 # and the rockbox that i got up and running some weeks back was almost definately from svn 02.17.31 # the 7z archive *should* work, but you're definitely save(r) if you get the source from svn 02.17.47 # that's the recommended way anyway, it's much more comfortable too 02.18.04 # RockRabbit: 8 different OSes sounds impressive :) 02.18.12 # RockRabbit: don't worry too much, everyone messes up their first distro install or two, I mean *EVERYONE* 02.18.38 # RockRabbit: but like, it's tough for someone to walk up to a hosed system and make it work again 02.18.42 # lucent: hey, I failed for now with the buttonlight 02.19.02 # kugel: how do you disassemble the OF code anyhow? 02.19.04 # my first distro! i think its no exaggeration to say I have installed Linux more than 300 times at least! 02.19.07 # I'm not sure how the OF does it, but I can't get it to work parallel to microsd 02.19.25 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 02.19.31 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 02.19.32 # kugel: can you make it light up (not paying attention to keeping microsd working) ? 02.20.02 # lucent: light you up in which way? How I disassembled? 02.20.19 # kugel: I'm confusing two different questions 02.20.23 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c27b03764c16c90) 02.20.36 # kugel: one question is "what tools do I need to disassemble Sansa AMS OF?" 02.20.58 # the other question is "are you able to trigger on/off the button light on Fuze at all?" 02.21.06 # I used arm-elf-objdump (that should be installed with the toolchain) 02.21.42 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.22.26 # lucent: yes I am able, but it's on GPIOD, and the microsd is basically taking the whole D port, so it isn't trivial to get microsd and buttonlight working simultaneously 02.23.14 # kugel: microSD isn't working on my hardware anyways, I should probably try out the code and see if it works here also 02.24.09 # lucent: get it working is really easy (swap the lines in backlight-e200v2-fuze.c), as DIR needs to be set before the PIN 02.24.31 # but as soon as you use a microsd, you'll only have problems :) 02.25.16 # what I disassembled today wasn't sufficient obvioisly, I guess the OF handles that stuff more in the SD driver 02.25.56 # which I didn't/couldn't disassemble due to thumb/arm code switching, and objdump doesn't seem to be able to have both in one disassembly 02.27.01 # * lucent googles what is thumb code 02.27.28 # lucent: thumb code is code of reduced size. It uses 16bit instructions instead of 32bit ones. 02.28.14 # so it's very small, but relatively slow, as you need to do more instructions to achieve the same as with arm code at times 02.28.36 # ah okay 02.28.49 # I'm following this help okay, thanks 02.29.14 # I only did a little assembly work for Z80 CPU on a graphing calculator 02.29.29 # it's a start :) 02.29.29 # that's all I have known 02.29.40 # the disassembly I made today was the first I did on my own 02.35.17 # hmmmmm 02.36.33 # * kugel thinks he got it to work, somewhat 02.39.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.36 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.51.08 Quit Lynx_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.20 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.15.04 # lucent: FS#9663 03.15.18 # I go to bed 03.15.20 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008111319]") 03.15.22 # rockboxdev.sh worked fine with the r19000 rockbox source from svn 03.15.35 Quit XavierGr () 03.24.40 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 03.35.42 Nick Bensawsome is now known as Bensawsome-11111 (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.35.58 Nick Bensawsome-11111 is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) 03.39.09 # :) 03.46.21 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@ool-44c48a1e.dyn.optonline.net) 04.05.17 Quit ch4os (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.05.34 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@gentoo/user/ch4os) 04.05.36 Quit Acky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.05.58 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 04.06.33 Join alexbobp [0] (n=alex@69.149.25.200) 04.13.45 Quit Outerlimit () 04.21.38 Join Ryco [0] (n=ry_co@pool-96-249-113-74.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.24.06 # hm, how did kugel get that disassembly in http://pastebin.ca/1288087 04.24.26 # arm-elf-objdump -D --target binary -marm fuzea.bin-01.01.22-OF --start-address=0x400 -Mforce-thumb 04.24.29 # doesn't match up 04.26.05 # ugh, I'm using printf a lot, but whenever it reaches the bottom, it just starts again at the top and looks really ugly 04.26.09 # it starts to match up at offset 0x49b0 though 04.26.11 # is there any way to fix that? 04.26.29 # Aurix_Lexico: hm, logf maybe? 04.26.29 # in my little hacked up bootloader 04.26.37 # view from the debug menu logf viewer 04.26.45 # oh 04.27.01 # Aurix_Lexico: look at this guy's code http://pastebin.com/d69fa6ba4 04.27.11 # hope I don't waste your time, I think it may be helpful though 04.29.02 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@f051102253.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.29.49 # ok, I guess something like that would work 04.30.06 Part Ryco 04.30.21 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.30.59 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@f051102253.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.35.58 # bah someone from U.S. here? 04.37.22 # vertic23, why? 04.37.58 # because I need an ipod video 80 GB 5.5 :> 04.39.15 # ..and soon there is C25C3 maybe someone's coming around and get my ipod so I don't need to pay customs 04.39.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.40.26 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCEF4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.44.07 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s243b.studby.ntnu.no) 04.44.24 Join mc2739_ [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 04.45.11 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 04.45.17 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 04.45.53 Quit mc2739 (Nick collision from services.) 04.45.54 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 04.47.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.47.55 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.10 Quit RockRabbit ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.51.13 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.55.29 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCEF4.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.56.17 Join b0b [0] (n=b0b@8-233.161-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) 04.56.36 Quit b0b (Client Quit) 04.56.50 Join UnhelpfulWeb [0] (n=a49c99e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6c92c02faab55e9b) 05.02.48 Quit mc2739 ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]") 05.02.50 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.07.25 Quit esthar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.14.13 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 05.14.28 Join Rockrabbit [0] (n=3aac9a01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9a75d4b8aea0c823) 05.15.05 # Am I able to get write permissions for the twiki? 05.15.40 # I want to be able to update the Sansa c200 hardware mappings 05.16.10 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-145-137.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.19.37 # Rockrabbit: I'd be happy to, but I'm assuming Rockrabbit isn't your real name. Did you read the instructions when you registered? 05.19.56 # Rockrabbit: Specifically the part about using your real name? 05.20.16 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 05.20.31 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 05.20.38 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4C252.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.20.52 Quit Horscht (Nick collision from services.) 05.21.04 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4C252.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.22.50 Quit Horscht (Client Quit) 05.23.24 Join Minthe [0] (n=Minthe@gw16.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp) 05.23.32 Quit Minthe (Client Quit) 05.23.44 Join Minthe [0] (n=Minthe@gw16.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp) 05.27.25 Quit Minthe (Client Quit) 05.27.38 Join Minthe [0] (n=Minthe@gw16.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp) 05.28.06 # I sed my real name when registering on the twiki just now. No I did not notice anything about having to use a real name on the IRC or the forums 05.28.17 # sorry 05.28.50 # My real name is phil taylor 05.29.23 Quit Horschti ("I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup") 05.29.32 # Rockrabbit: You don't need to use your real name on IRC or the forums, but it looks like you registered with RockRabbit as your wiki name, when it should be PhilTaylor 05.30.01 # sorry i thought that was the usual nickname 05.30.17 # i assumed it should match all my other nicks so youd know it was the same person 05.30.35 # what should i do? 05.31.23 # Rockrabbit: From the registration page, "Your WikiName must be your real first and last name concatenated" 05.31.35 # Reregister with the correct name and I'll give you access 05.31.38 # reregister with PhilTaylor as our WikiName, i'd say 05.31.46 # ok 05.33.04 # as far as making sure that people know you on IRC, you can make an entry here for that: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 05.33.51 # vertic23: I'm in Jackson, WY USA 05.34.06 # vertic23: I'd like to help if it makes a difference 05.34.16 # are you coming to the C25C3 in berlin? :> 05.35.18 # Done 05.36.03 # vertic23: oh, no I don't think I am 05.36.43 # well, but I just realized that the ipod 5.5 with 80GB is almost as expensive here in .de as in .us 05.36.57 # hard to get them nowadays 05.37.15 # and I just need a rockbox player ...mine is broken 05.37.21 # ah, :/ 05.38.10 # the only player I know in production which sort of runs Rockbox is like my Sandisk Sansa Clip, or Sandisk Sansa Fuze... but these are active development targets 05.38.11 # Rockrabbit: You should be all set now 05.38.13 # there are much better rockbox targets than the 5.5th gen ipod 05.38.16 # I wouldn't suggest them for everyday 05.38.19 # thanks 05.38.43 # lucent: and as such are not supported and shouldnt really be advertised as "working" lest people get the wring idea ;) 05.38.54 # s/wring/wrong 05.39.45 # if i accidentally post some wrong info to the hardware mappings page, and someone else uses it and bricks their player because of my error, will people stop liking me? 05.40.24 # Rockrabbit: that's none of my business, except to revert the changes if I happen to know they are wrong 05.40.48 # Does anyone know about addressing the GPIO ports? 05.40.59 # scorche: tell me about it 05.41.46 # I am in the "BuyersGuide" ...but I don't see any players which are still available 05.41.56 # that is what ebay is for ;) 05.41.58 # ...and would fit my need 05.42.01 # if i use the code "ldr r1, [r0, #0x8] " to read a pin, does the hex value 8 refer to pin number 5? 05.42.14 # well ...I looked - none of the ones I'd like are on ebay 05.42.25 # I looked for the M3L (iaudio) e.g. 05.43.21 # #0x8 is probably 1<<4 if I'm not mistaken 05.43.39 # which would be pin 4. but I really haven't any clue how to deal with hardware designs 05.43.40 Quit Aurix_Lexico (Operation timed out) 05.43.56 Join n9xvt [0] (n=187bed27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-55b2e98632faf7fe) 05.44.30 # anyone built or building thier own hardware yet? 05.45.02 # n9xvt: not that I know of with Rockbox in mind 05.45.18 # n9xvt: beagleboard.org would be a reasonable platform though 05.46.15 # ok,,i found a complete platform,,for the diy ,,thought you guys might wanna look,, 05.46.45 # http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/MP3_Player.htm 05.47.06 # nice 05.47.08 # this guy has built his own and many other items,, 05.47.25 # lucent: wouldn't 0x8 be 1<<3? 05.49.25 # UnhelpfulWeb: hm... 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 05.49.59 # 00000001 oh... 05.50.26 # 00001000 05.50.31 Quit wpyh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.50.34 # UnhelpfulWeb: yeah I bet you're right on that one 05.50.57 # n9xvt: shame it is a HWcodec device... 05.51.12 # yes i agree - and that fits with the formula i was given that the pin is addressed by (1 << (x + 2)) where X is the pin number. Which would make 8 = pin 5. If thats true, im happy. 05.52.09 # scorche: ...still waitin' for your hints :> 05.52.25 # vertic23: sorry, but i am quite busy at the moment... 05.52.46 # okay, I'm waiting then 05.52.49 # how long? :P 05.53.10 # if you wish to wait for me, likely about 4 hours 05.53.16 # k 05.53.21 # will you think of me? 05.59.08 Quit n9xvt ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.59.31 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.59.31 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.59.47 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 06.00.33 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.02.30 # going to start on converting pictureflow for scaled loads. thoughts on what should be the "right" size to use? i'd say the largest square to fit on LCD * (zoom%), but that would mean a cache rebuild whenever we change the zoom setting. 06.03.11 # logging load times on e200 suggests to me that at least the 80MHz PP targets are not fast enough to do away with the pfraw cache :/ 06.12.00 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 06.13.23 # UnhelpfulWeb: IMO a patch first that does what you'd like, and then hack it to be fast enough? 06.19.36 # lucent: quality scaling is highly unlikely to be fast enough to drop the cache any time soon. i'm not sure just how fast PF will let you scroll, but it takes about .5s to scale down a 256x256 image to fit on the e200 screen 06.21.19 # the only way i can think of to get "rid" of the cache is to cache albums "near" the currently-viewed in the background, which of course has the caveat that if the user tries to scroll quickly right away, they will see lots of "no cover" images 06.29.32 # The question i'm asking is not so much "how do i use the scaled loader in PF" as it is "how big do i want the covers to be"... the wiki page for the plugin suggests using 100x100 cover arts, but clearly we don't want to just force a size in the source. 06.29.51 Quit sbhsu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.30.02 Join sbhsu [0] (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 06.31.16 Quit Minthe ("Leaving...") 06.33.58 Join lee321987 [0] (n=chatzill@node142.32.251.72.1dial.com) 06.35.02 # UnhelpfulWeb: maybe half the largest dimension of the display, square, unless that doesn't fit on the display 06.35.05 # hm 06.35.10 # Is RB working on any DAPs that are currently in production? 06.35.46 # lee321987: no supported release of rockbox runs on DAP currently in production. 06.36.04 # lee321987: it's been that way for some years now I think 06.36.46 # lee321987: need more programmers who are willing to tackle the SanDisk AMS AS3525 based players (e2x0 v2, Clip, Fuze) 06.37.20 # what are the c200 v2's based on? 06.37.48 # oh, I don't know off my immediate memory 06.39.34 # thanks. TO ALL ROCKBOXERS - Have a merry Christmas/Hanukkah/ect... Peace 06.39.42 Quit lee321987 ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]") 06.39.46 Join Martyn [0] (n=martinb@adsl-70-231-242-168.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 06.39.48 # lucent: the source has a "PREFERRED_IMG_WIDTH" defined to 50 if LCD_HEIGHT < 100, 100 otherwise. perhaps i should just set that to MIN(LCD_WIDTH,LCD_HEIGHT)/2, and scale to that on load. 06.40.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.41.13 # UnhelpfulWeb: that will make some people angry, but I would like to think that makes more sense 06.41.38 # even though that means it's still hard-coded 06.44.21 # all of my album art is maximized, it never even occurred to me that i "should" be able to see other album cover except when it animated. like i said, we could base it on the zoom setting, but 1) the zoom setting is apparently supposed to be about changing the camera distance 2) that means cache rebuild on a setting change 06.46.49 Quit Martyn () 06.47.10 # I think I need a free reference introduction to ArM 06.47.16 # ARM*... suggestions? 06.48.08 # ARM C programming? 06.48.10 # or ARM hardware? 06.48.50 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets might cover what you need 06.48.55 # my focus is to learn about assembly so I can disassemble code 06.49.29 # lucent: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/9658.pdf 06.50.14 # * lucent pokes download 06.51.00 # * J-23 downloaded it in four seconds 06.51.44 # lucent: looking to disassemble some OF code? or more to read what the compiler turns rockbox source into, for optimization purposes? 06.52.06 # UnhelpfulWeb: disassemble some OF code 06.52.41 # So, I need to brush up on ARM instructions and Thumb 06.53.06 # J-23: nice link, thanks. I'm on a slow link at the moment hence it was a bit of a wait for me 06.54.37 # I need a couch or something to kick back on and read this 156 page guide 06.54.39 # ;P 06.55.38 # c200's are AMS5325 06.55.50 # v2 that is 06.56.09 # Rockrabbit: huh? not ams as3525? 06.56.16 # this cheat-sheet might also be helpful: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.qrc0001m/QRC0001_UAL.pdf 06.57.10 # i guess i got the numbers mixed up 07.00.55 # oohhh 07.01.04 # UnhelpfulWeb: so um, BL is like jump with return? 07.01.20 # not familiar with the term "branch" 07.02.32 # oh, geeze, it's been ages since i really knew anything about asm... "branch" instructions that i remember were more equivalent to goto 07.03.35 # well what I remember was for Z80 CPU on Texas Instruments TI-83 graphing calculator 07.03.56 # we had things like JP, JNZ, etc. 07.21.02 # lucent: i think that what i'm thinking about doing with PREFERRED_IMG_WIDTH is pretty close to what was intended, actually - it looks for a cover.NxN.bmp for that size, and loads that if found. so the big change here would be using the preferred size regardless of whether the user has already provided a BMP scaled to that size, and defining the preferred size based on a ratio to screen size, rather than as a stepwise-constant function 07.23.18 # * lucent :) 07.24.16 # also, i don't get to say "stepwise-constant" very often. 07.25.01 # UnhelpfulWeb: in http://pastebin.ca/1288087 where the hell does "buttonlight(bool on) [r0]" come from? 07.25.30 # UnhelpfulWeb: is that something kugel (the human responsible for that disassembly snippet) added, or debug info from OF? 07.26.48 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 07.26.48 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 07.27.01 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-44f0cdac108612c8) 07.27.08 # lucent: reading the logs, what did you think I forgot? 07.27.20 # it could possibly be the latter. are you sure the snippet comes from the OF, and not some rockbox bit that he's debugging? 07.28.31 # saratoga: shoot, it was just some smart-alecky comment by me... you suggested to write a zero-data file to fill out the FAT filesystem 07.29.00 # saratoga: 'cept well, filesystem is 8GB FAT32, largest filesize is 1024*1024*1024-1 07.29.05 # err 07.29.09 # my math is wrong 07.29.15 # it is just shy of 4GB 07.29.18 # lucent: I assumed you knew how to create multiple files . . . 07.29.25 # saratoga: I'm teasing :) 07.29.35 # this was worth asking me why exactly? 07.30.30 # saratoga: no worries! 07.31.03 # saratoga: I'm still confused though, I have a track preloaded on my Sansa Fuze, it is named "The Red Thread - Wax Museum" 07.31.03 # please don't ping me in the logs if you dont' need me 07.31.37 # after deleting MTABLE.SYS (which contained the text of the name of the track) and filling up the FAT32 filesystem with zero-data files, and then unmounting 07.31.54 # I grep through and there's still references to "Red Thread" and the song metadata 07.31.59 # are there hidden files? 07.32.23 # I'm not familiar with the Linux kernel vfat driver to know if hidden files show up or what is going on 07.32.28 # does the file play? 07.33.51 # saratoga: the file doesn't show up when I mount the FAT32 filesystem 07.34.15 # but does it play? 07.34.15 # saratoga: I'm confused if it's just leftover filesystem metadata, or if there's hidden data in the FAT32 filesystem that the vfat driver doesn't show me 07.34.21 # play... where? 07.34.30 # where ever you saw it 07.34.56 # I saw the filename in a hexeditor of the dump of the /dev/sdb 07.35.10 # ugh 07.35.11 # I'm working on a local copy of that dump 07.35.16 # how should i know 07.35.30 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.35.33 # the question is about FAT32 and vfat though, maybe you know? 07.35.49 # I haven't had to interact with hidden files before via vfat 07.35.53 # this should probably move to -community? 07.36.44 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.40.24 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc2-stok5-0-0-cust754.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 07.42.06 # this is probably a stupid question, but if my plugin spends all of its time waiting for button presses (ex. rb->button_get_w_tmo), then i don't have to worry about yielding, right? 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09.00.39 # I'm not happy to re-invent the wheel on this 09.00.53 # some where in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 09.02.03 Join GodEater__ [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e3989806d1880d22) 09.02.04 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 09.02.18 Join tvelocity[away] [0] (n=tony@adsl15-187.her.forthnet.gr) 09.02.58 Quit GodEater__ (Client Quit) 09.03.08 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c26aff70bd38804c) 09.08.47 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 09.10.50 Quit Rockrabbit ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.14.12 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.16.35 # Hillshum_: I see now, it's an abuse of ATTR_VOLUME_ID 09.16.58 # * Hillshum_ has no clue about that 09.18.20 Join Martyn_ [0] (n=martinb@adsl-70-231-242-168.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 09.18.29 Quit tvelocity[a] (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.19.58 # will my flyspray message just show up in pidgin? 09.22.03 Quit Hillshum_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 09.22.31 Quit Martyn_ (Client Quit) 09.22.46 Join Martyn [0] (n=martinb@adsl-70-231-242-168.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) 09.26.24 # mine haven't 09.26.37 # I specified a Gtalk username though which may be quirky 09.28.20 # SanDisk is about to release a WiFi enabled Sansa player 09.28.35 # As soon as that happens, I'm going to be a very, very happy RockBoxer 09.28.37 # isn't sansa connect that? 09.28.54 # Sort of, but the sansa connect has too small a screen, and too little capacity 09.29.11 # right but you said "a WiFi enabled Sansa player" 09.29.21 # This will have 16Gb flash, WiFi G networking, FM tuner (always a plus), and a nice big screen 09.29.40 # B4gder : True, true. 09.29.48 # it'll be interesting to see if they still use AMS 09.29.54 # *nod* 09.30.02 # Somehow, I doubt it. 09.35.55 # the connect ran linux, don't think it was AMS 09.36.24 # Yep, but they might move to VxWorks 09.36.32 # SanDisk just made a deal with Wind River Systems 09.36.39 # * lucent lets out a hoot "yay!" 09.36.51 # as a note, speculation of this sort should go in #rockbox-community... 09.36.58 # I'm hooting about something else though 09.37.34 # Hillshum: thanks for pointing me in the direction of that forum post, I made a similar patch to libfat code and got read access to that "hidden" stuff 09.39.11 # well, wind river does a lot of linux too these days 09.39.18 # scorche : Sure, but it's late at night :) 09.39.21 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 09.40.01 # In any case, I'm working on a new module and theme but have run into a brick wall as far as widget control goes. 09.40.20 # Martyn: that doesnt mean that the channel guidelines go poof...also, not everyone in here is in the US 09.40.21 # I want to bring a very "slick" interface to RockBox, and have the UI experience to do it. 09.40.30 # scorche : Yes, I know :) 09.40.49 # slick interface in rockbox? 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B-] 09.40.59 # * B4gder hides 09.41.29 # we have a reputation to live up to 09.41.43 # Yeah yeah ... 09.41.53 # bags of ... and all 09.42.01 Quit kachna|lappy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.42.28 # What I wanted to ask was "Is it better to develop for Stable, or for Daily?" 09.42.36 # our mission statement: "Develop the most complete bag of shit featurewise" 09.42.41 # If I'm working on low-level widgets, and such? 09.42.45 # Martyn: go against svn at once, I'd say 09.42.53 # it moves 09.43.06 Quit Hillshum (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.46.27 # LinusN: are we changing it from "Release stable versions only when no hardware is in production that will run stable release" ? 09.46.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc3-hem18-0-0-cust53.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 09.46.46 # lucent: :-) 09.47.14 # "Develop the most feature-filled bag of shit for outdated players" 09.47.24 # a mission statement! 09.47.41 # I committed a wiki edit that links to the forum post mentioning "hidden" directories btw, on the SansaV2 page 09.48.03 # slick is hopefully not the only concern... I'd hope it's still usable, seeing what webdesigners seem to find "cool" these days 09.48.16 # I'm almost convinced it's in the wrong page, but I don't talk much to pre-AMS Sansa owners 09.50.32 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.53.14 # Martyn: Which device(s) are you running Rockbox on? 09.55.03 Join nkf [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 09.55.55 Quit nkf (Client Quit) 09.55.56 Quit Galois (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.56.09 # LinusN: I guess I could ask, if you would mind adding 'Sansa AMS' to the flyspray list of targets 09.56.32 # LinusN: or Fuze + Clip + .... if it matters 09.56.37 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 09.57.22 # linuxstb : Right now? ipod, sansa e250 09.57.32 # I figured I should start with the most limited devices first 09.57.39 # I can get my hands on an archos and such later 09.57.55 # Which ipod? 09.58.17 # 5.5 (video) 09.58.32 # e250R by the way .. loading the bootloader was an absolute PAIN 09.58.46 # Good ;) The 5.5g has a nice big LCD and relatively slow CPU. 09.58.51 # The "rockbox utility" app can't find the files it needs .. 404's all over the place 09.59.07 # linuxstb : Yep, that's why I picked it. Got it on eBay for $50 09.59.33 # lucent: we normally don't want bug reports on ports in progress 09.59.35 # The sansa e250R was free(ish) .. got it in a Woot Bag-of-Crap 10.02.04 # nice score from WOOT 10.03.21 # Yep, got a couple music players in the last few BoC's 10.03.31 # The Sansa is the only one that will run RockBox 10.03.34 # The Fuze won't 10.03.54 # And for whatever reason, I can't load it on the iRiver U series 10.04.26 # well, the Fuze doesn't run Rockbox very well, yet 10.04.35 # Right. 10.04.46 # Will the connect run it? 10.04.56 # ha, connect? I haven't any idea 10.05.05 # Martyn: The website has a handy list of supported targets at the top of the front page... 10.05.18 Quit jhulst (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.05.48 # I saw :) 10.10.22 # I think it would be nice if (at least) rockbox devs filled in their real name in their irc client. I keep having trouble connecting list mails to the person in irc. 10.12.19 # Martyn: there's been some work on the Connect and I think the wiki page on it has the details 10.21.07 # Found it. 10.21.24 # That's why I use "Martyn" .. real names are easier 10.21.41 # Well, one thing I can't complain about is the organization of the SVN code ... 10.21.57 # It's all rather well laid out, and will make updating the widgets quite easy for me. 10.23.45 # I'm guessing the lack of certain optimizations in widget processing are due to having to be so cross-platform? 10.24.21 # Martyn: well, lots of things just never was done... 10.24.57 # but yes, the many targets are somewhat problematic 10.25.20 # Zagor: isn't that what the irc nicks page in the wiki is for ;) 10.26.36 # GodEater: I was waiting for that :-) it's a hassle having to cross-reference that all the time, using the real-name field is a lot more helpful. 10.28.06 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 10.29.21 # wpyh: thanks for the suggestions earlier about Fuze target 10.29.57 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r3g248.net.upc.cz) 10.30.51 Join beta2k_ [0] (n=beta@d36-78-228.home1.cgocable.net) 10.31.06 Join bodymind [0] (n=bodymind@193.136.218.60) 10.31.27 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 10.31.32 # lucent: was it useful? 10.32.25 # hei 10.33.00 # wpyh: I'm still doing a lot of catch-up just on the little things, like I only now understand that the "##MUSIC#" folder is a directory on the internal FAT32 with a weird attribute so the Linux vfat driver omits it... and I'm going to keep trying best I can on other things ;) 10.33.12 Quit beta2k (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.33.17 # sleep time for me now though 10.34.16 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 10.34.29 # :) 10.36.19 Join lasser [0] (n=chatzill@Wb85a.w.pppool.de) 10.37.25 # * wpyh thinks the svn layout is a bit weird, but won't complain either 10.37.43 # Not -that- wierd, I was able to find the code I need to edit readily enough. 10.38.05 Quit tvelocity[away] (Remote closed the connection) 10.38.30 # I guess it's not modular enough 10.40.02 # not enough for what? 10.40.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.14 # for an pluggable alternative GUI's to be written easily ;) (I guess someone will bash me for this) 10.46.45 # I would say having such a modular thing with no alternative GUI around is stupid 10.47.09 # we normally don't do things "just in case" 10.47.17 # well, alternative GUI's are a big no-no for some devs, so I understand 10.47.40 # I've never heard that 10.47.44 # I'm not arguing against an alternative, just that preparing the code in advance for it isn't a good idea 10.47.48 # only no-one has ever bothered to write one 10.47.57 # * wpyh checks the logs 10.48.24 # if the effect on the code isn't too big I certainly won't mind it 10.48.56 Join Rockrabbit [0] (n=3aac9a01@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bba518306bcd230a) 10.49.25 # * GodEater does care about the effect on the code much - only about the effect on the target / bin size 10.49.52 # well, someone asked about the functional benefits of a big-icon menu system that I proposed 10.50.01 # Can arm-elf-objdump be used to dump the contents of a Sansa c200 v2 firmware file? If so how is it done, and if not what can I use? thanks 10.50.06 # It's all here at 06:00 http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080719 10.50.12 # wpyh : No bashing. It's modular enough for me to write new widgets, which is the start 10.50.38 # wpyh: well I certainly could argue against the idea of such an ui, but not against allowing one to be made 10.50.40 # wpyh : After checking out the code, it's only taken me about four hours to get a first-approximation implemenation of a spinner widget 10.50.59 # Martyn: well, it's modular enough for that :) 10.51.14 # wpyh : Well, I do UI's for a living 10.51.16 # Rockrabbit: yes it can 10.51.27 # There are four widgets I need, plus a few functions that aren't available. 10.51.37 # One of which is a alpha-channel aware compositor 10.51.46 # Rockrabbit: arm-elf-objdump -D --target binary -marm [file] 10.51.50 # B4gder: no idea / UI design is perfect ;) 10.52.17 # Martyn: in that case, I wish you success -- Rockbox would benefit from a better UI 10.52.21 # wpyh: no, but I was trying to clarify that the discussion is two-fold: the one about the particular UI and the one about allowing it to be "pluggable" 10.52.35 # Martyn: for us GUI challenged persons, what is a spinner widget? 10.52.37 # wpyh : Agreed. Or, if not a "better" UI, a different one. 10.52.55 # Zagor : A spinner is a kind of select box, that shows you the previous and next value 10.52.55 # well, a different one might not be so practical... 10.53.08 # * wpyh was thinking about something that spins 10.53.08 # Zagor : Commonly used in the iPhone, for example, to select dates 10.53.30 # * B4gder has seen an iphone on a picture... 10.53.48 # but also used in a lot of embedded devices to suggest that the list of items you're scrolling through is large 10.53.58 # without actually showing all the values 10.54.07 # B4gder: the UI being pluggable means that new UI's can be easily added. However, new UI's are likely to meet opposition, so it's more like a chicken-egg problem 10.54.26 # wpyh: I disagree 10.54.27 # http://caspar.regis.free.fr/spinner/img/spinner.png ? 10.54.42 # wpyh : One of the nice things about Open Source software .. is that any additions I make start as patch-commits :) 10.54.48 # I can always maintain the patches 10.54.49 # Martyn: hey, I can think of useful things to do with your spinner. like for example the volume settings in the settings menu 10.55.10 # Yes Zagor, that is a simple implemenation of a spinner 10.55.13 # B4gder: which one do you disagree with: the opposition, or the chicken-egg problem? 10.55.14 # ok 10.55.19 # however, I don't think doing a "pluggable UI" is an easy thing nor do I think the impact will be small 10.55.36 # although that spinner shows only one value, and only suggests the previous and next ones .. in the case of the one you found, it implies "+1, -1" 10.55.40 # and there is where the obejctions will come 10.56.01 # wpyh : There are a number of widgets missing 10.56.12 # I think the impact being not small is where the objections come from 10.56.17 # wpyh: I don't think there's a chicken-egg problem 10.56.23 # wpyh : I'll just implement the most used ones first, then go from there 10.56.32 #