--- Log for 25.12.108 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 15 hours ago 00.02.49 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 00.15.43 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.19.37 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-244-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.20.38 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 00.20.50 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 00.21.55 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.24.08 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 00.28.10 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 00.29.10 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-244-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.34.58 Join Slack_ [0] (n=brett@12-218-63-169.client.mchsi.com) 00.36.27 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 00.38.53 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 00.41.46 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 00.43.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.46.33 # jhMikeS: can you explain why pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is much lower than pcmbuf_get_bufsize() - pcmbuf_free() ? 00.47.09 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.47 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 00.48.55 # I'm testing with a smaller pcmbuf on flash targets, but end up with too much boost because pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes hovers around 40% of pcmbuf_size, wich triggers pcmbuf_under_watermark() and thus cpu_boost() 00.49.01 # rbutilqt v1.08 is not working ? it says missing mingw10.dll reinstall ??l 00.49.32 # on windows 00.50.25 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 00.50.58 # Zagor: why only on flash? pcmbuf gets data from ram, which is not really dependent on flash/disk (I'd rather say this is worth more on disk, since the pcm contains the least "effictive" data) 00.51.10 # or am I wrong? 00.52.19 # kugel: I like to limit the number of variables, so I'm starting with flash. 00.52.25 Part onlysoaa 00.52.29 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 00.52.29 # ah, that makes sense :) 00.52.30 # Zagor: Not offhand. It might have to do with chunk sizes? 00.52.41 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 00.52.55 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.53.16 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.53.58 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 00.54.57 Quit ender` (" If the hero claims he wishes to confess in public or to me personally, I will remind him that a notarized deposition will s") 00.55.24 Join gartral [0] (n=Gareth@adsl-75-33-70-77.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) 00.55.31 # "Build should have been done 10 minutes ago" something seems wrong 00.55.58 # toffe82: I've seem some such reports. try to find the dll and copy/download it to the rbutilqt dir 00.56.21 # * jhMikeS regularly hangs the builds (somehow). 00.56.27 # ummm, what is mingwm10.dll, and why is rbutil distributed without it? 00.59.41 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 00.59.53 # I think the proper question rather is "why does rbutilqt.exe require it". as far as I know previous versions didn't. 01.00.29 # your right 01.00.58 # i took a screenshot of the error box, anyone a good photobin? 01.01.05 # I get the same here under vista, 1.0.7 runs fine but 1.0.8 complains about the missing dll 01.01.06 # anyone know* 01.01.35 # i get it under a hybridised win xp 01.02.23 # 1.0.8 is also quite a big bigger than 1.0.7: about 3.3 MB vs. 4.4 MB 01.02.53 # ive noticed that, but in my mind "eh, new file, has more stuff" 01.03.49 # [dangit, havent had coffee] file version* 01.04.22 # i have a theory as too how this happened.. 01.08.46 # judging by the lack of talk, i seem doubtful my theory stirred any interest >.> 01.09.55 # uh, you never wrote it 01.12.18 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.12.54 # >.< [blames firewall blocking irc] someone with the ming desktop manager tryed compiling this rbutil, and it ended up thinking it needed that particular window managers resources to display at all 01.13.34 # there's a "ming desktop manager"? 01.13.50 # erm, window manager, thankyou 01.14.12 # and yes, here, ill get the project page, with your permisions 01.15.44 # http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/ 01.16.24 # mingw is not the same as xming 01.16.38 # ohh.. ok 01.16.54 # like i said, i havent had any coffee yet, my brain aint working 01.17.05 # rigt* 01.19.07 # apparently gcc flag -mthreads causes the inclusion of this DLL. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2008-08/msg01207.html 01.26.21 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.31.04 # it looks like there is a problem to compile it too, it doesn't find the ressource file 01.31.28 # saratoga, I don't use it - so I don't know if anything in SVN has changed the functionality of the IAP patch. 01.31.48 # Did I just say IAP patch? ATM machine? Oh well. Merry Christmas all. 01.34.40 # lol 01.34.55 # "doppelt gemoppelt", as we'd say here :) 01.37.20 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeLaRue_ATM_Crash.jpg 01.38.21 # sorry, wrong channel :/ 01.38.35 # bsod is always a fun sight! 01.46.45 # what caused? 01.47.51 # soap: well people seem to be reporting success with it, so I think it should go in unless it breaks something else 01.48.08 # jhMikeS: with a buffer size of 176400 (1 second) pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 69120 bytes every time pcmbuf_under_watermark() runs. that's PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK*2 + 0xe00. I can't make any sense of it. 01.48.34 # yes, I have seen no breakage, I use it as my every-day build, but do not have an accessory. 01.48.43 # and during this, the audio thread debug screen shows pcm buffer is constantly 90% full 01.49.09 # and as we are as far away from 3.2 as we can possibly get - there is lots of time to fix a flub. 01.51.23 Join Llor_Phone [0] (n=Llorean@ppp-70-132-143-243.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 01.52.20 # Ipod accessory support would also make a good new feature for the 3.2 changelog 01.52.32 # Nice to get one in now 01.53.16 # soap: the current patch is synced then? 01.54.15 # appears to be. 01.54.21 # last I checked, one sec 01.54.51 # as of 19534 it was. 01.55.21 # Speaking of release, anyone thought about what might prompt major versio number changes? 01.55.41 # Not going to put this in the forum thread as it will likely only last another hour or two - but http://www.ejectit.com/ has iRiver H10 20GB players for say. 01.55.44 # sale even. 01.55.58 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.56.11 # I've thought maybe when we add new archetypes, like when we "support" AMS or TCC 01.56.12 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad2f2ae64b15259c) 01.57.17 # Llor_Phone: I don't think new targets is enough to bump the major number. a major shift in capabilities/architecture is a better reason. 01.58.09 Quit advcomp2019 (Nick collision from services.) 01.58.21 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.59.22 # * gartral wishes he had the money for this 01.59.48 # SWCODEC was a good reason for a verion bump 02.00.01 Join _rossy_ [0] (n=7a6d3a02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3bfe16c065005ae9) 02.00.03 # What "major" increase in capability is possible with current design goals? Rockbox-as-app? 02.00.04 # probably be a while before theres one quite that big 02.00.04 # * gartral agrees with saratoga 02.00.04 Quit _rossy_ (Client Quit) 02.00.16 # SWCODEC was, but I don't foresee too many other large changes. 02.00.22 Join _rossy_ [0] (n=chatzill@d122-109-58-2.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 02.00.31 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.35 # the final version of mpeg player, mabey? 02.00.38 # Meanwhile new SOCs tha bring in categories of players are pretty major 02.00.38 # soap: I don't know. we'll find out when/if that happens. 02.01.01 Join BigBambi [0] (n=alex@5ac93abb.bb.sky.com) 02.01.04 # I'm not saying every new player. 02.01.04 # but I'll be perfectly happy even if we never reach 4.0 02.01.29 # Just a way to indicate jumps in supported hardware ranges 02.01.52 # why are we worring about 4.0?!?, were not even working on 3.4.... 02.02.11 # navel-gazing is not w/o its place. 02.02.18 # gartral: you seem to have mised the point 02.02.34 # probably.... im not very with it today 02.02.48 # Major version number changes can happen sequentially without minor version changes anyway 02.03.11 # But you need to know why you might change it. 02.03.25 # What prompted 1.x to 2.x? 02.03.27 # new targets isnt a good reason for a version bump... 02.04.08 # he never said "new targets" - he said "new architectures" 02.05.09 # even then 02.05.25 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.05.38 # I just think users expect major version to change over time. 02.05.40 # a major version bump implies lots of big changes to everytinhg... a new arch doesnt touch code elsewhere 02.05.54 # And version numbers are artificial and for users anyway 02.06.03 # yeah 02.06.15 # A major version implies a significant change. 02.07.04 # A new SoC often indicates several new ports and a degree of ease of porting to others. 02.07.27 # but no change to everyone else 02.08.00 # so just wondering, is anyone working on the rbutil problem, or have a link to this missing resource too quell its dependency? 02.08.22 # 3.0 brought little change to HWCODEC 02.08.45 # it brought heaps more... but that was more because it took 3 years 02.08.50 # If the trend continues that Rockbox does not run on currently available hardware AND the addition of a new architecture adds support for multiple choices in current players, then I think a major revision number would be important more as a PR move than anything else. 02.08.54 # but yeah, version numbers are silly 02.09.09 # JdGordon but swcodec was what prompted the major v change 02.09.37 Quit bertrik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.09.42 # I think as long as major numbers communicate something they're good 02.10.02 # For many linuxes they mean very little in overall change. 02.10.15 # major numbers communicate major changes 02.10.46 # just because some people use major version as PR gimmicks doesn't mean we should 02.11.00 # It is a major change to the range of hardware we support. that is significant. 02.11.16 # hey, i found how to remove the dependency problem 02.11.19 # We're a music player 02.11.22 # Llor_Phone: I disagree 02.11.31 # http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2006-08/thread00942-0.html 02.11.40 # if we port the current rockbox to 50 new targets, it's still the current rockbox 02.11.49 # Other than adding more formats or a new UI, what CAN we add that's major version worthy? 02.12.22 # another new playback engine :) 02.12.34 # I don't know. And I don't care. I don't see a major version as a goal in itself. 02.12.36 # starting to work on mpeg player, or adding the abilty too scals and reformat images for the bg in real time? 02.12.44 Quit ZincAlloy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.12.52 # I don't see why the major version shouldn't reflect the capabilities of the source rather than simply what the UI looks like. 02.13.03 # gartral: mpegplayer isnt high priority.. 02.13.12 # I think the most realistic candidate for major version bump would probably be a full GUI replacement. 02.13.13 # and its certainly not a mian part of rockbox... 02.13.20 # i know, but im running low on ideas :) 02.13.38 # and it is somthing i do use 02.14.00 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.14.04 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.14.13 # I didn't think Llorean was suggesting it was a goal unto itself, but that if you can't define what makes a version number why use one at all? I assume Zagor's position is "increment it per release and if a major number is warranted Rockbox will know when it gets there"? 02.14.57 # soap: exactly 02.16.11 # Did I miss why 1.x went to 2.x 02.16.21 # I'm on a very limited client. 02.17.53 # SWCODEC i do belive 02.18.08 # No, that was 2.x to 3.x 02.18.14 # oop 02.20.05 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 02.20.06 # as far as I remember there was no major architectural change in 2.x. I think we bumped it to separate it from the "beta" impression that 1.x had 02.20.41 Quit culture (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.21 # I think "stable" support for an archetype is something pretty major. But I really am not to attached to this specifically. 02.22.03 # I just think that A) major should change sometimes so it doesn't look like we're just maintaining 02.22.15 # * gartral wishes his computer wouldnt overheat when trying to build any code 02.22.22 # gah, wrong chat 02.22.26 # B) we should know beforehand what kind of conditions prompt it 02.23.31 # Llor_Phone: I am firmly against bumping major version "so it doesn't look like we're just maintaining" 02.24.13 # and I also don't think we need to define a line beforehand. it's a discussion we can have when someone feels a major bump should be done. 02.24.25 # yea, it deffinatly needs a reason to change 02.24.35 # Zagor: I think 3.17 looks bad to users 02.24.39 # yeah i don't see a reason to leave 3.x unless we change something major about how rockbox works 02.24.41 # Llor_Phone: I don't 02.24.46 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c776979acf5ea27d) 02.24.53 # And we release with version numbers explicitly as PR anyway. 02.25.46 # no. releases are a safe fallback in case a daily has bad bugs. 02.26.01 # <_Auron_> the number 3.17 doesn't look bad.. what would look bad is something like 3.1.2.05 or something 02.26.08 # we don't just pack up a daily and call it 3.1 02.26.10 # I said With version numbers. 02.26.26 # We could just do a thre month backup by revision otherwise 02.26.52 # Llor_Phone: yes, but we wouldn't know which revision to fall back to. and our users definitely wouldn't know. 02.27.04 # You miss my point. 02.27.26 # We could've release r19556 stable binaries 02.27.32 # Instead of 3.1 02.27.38 # they're not the same 02.27.49 # we don't fork and release 02.27.53 # I'm talking labeling 02.28.02 # We could still fork, etc 02.28.04 # theres parallel development, so releases don't corrispond to single svn revisions 02.28.10 # indeed we could, but then we'd have to spend even more time educating users 02.28.28 # ok i'm putting in the accessory patch 02.28.30 # Comits to the fork increment R stil, don't they? 02.28.36 # sure 02.28.46 # So, they do. 02.28.49 Quit _rossy_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 02.28.57 Quit Bagder (Connection timed out) 02.29.01 # Llor_Phone: wouldnt this discussion be better in feb before we talk about 3.2 to decide if anything major changed? 02.29.08 # like soap said before 02.29.10 # i have a good idea that seems pretty major, at least to me 02.29.21 # Llor_Phone: what are you trying to say? 02.29.38 # JdGordon: Better to have it when there is time than at a last minute. 02.29.57 # get a working usb stack for the pp5052 based SOCs 02.29.59 # saratoga: the the NAME is for publicity / users 02.30.24 # To users, a new selection of several players IS big. 02.30.40 # Llor_Phone: we also dont want to go bumping the major version too often either or then people start to only use that instead of the minor releases 02.30.58 # JdGordon: that's part of my point 02.31.13 # Llor_Phone: no, because it doesn't change rockbox. it only adds a few more players. existing users will be _very_ dissappointed if rockbox 4.0 is the same as 3.1 but for a few new targets. 02.31.17 # I'm fishing for ideas that will increase it occasionally. 02.31.33 # Not almost never, as now, and not too often. 02.31.44 # The right degree of "major" changes 02.32.06 # big optimisations? structural/internal changes? big UI improvements 02.32.24 # the first release after the rec update would be a good candidate 02.32.35 # i use daily builds near-always, unless rbutil is smegged 02.32.35 # Zagor: they weren't disappointed when they thought they were going from 2.5 to 3.0 so evidence clearly contradicts that. 02.32.38 # if that ever happens 02.32.51 # everybody accepts linux 2.6.28, so why wouldn't people accept rockbox 3.17? 02.33.24 # Zagor: users know ubuntu 8.04 or Red Hat 9 02.33.28 # Llor_Phone: bad example. 2.5 to 3.0 was a huge update for everyone. 02.33.41 # we should just do . like smoe linux distros 02.33.45 # Zagor: Not for most users 02.34.09 # <_Auron_> v2 support will be a nice bump 02.34.16 # Zagor: Most were using recent dailies thinking it was 2.5. 02.34.17 # in the case of ubuntu, its 02.34.51 # Llor_Phone: nobody thinks a daily is the last stable release 02.34.53 # haha! is that where the .04 and .10 comes in? /me never knew that 02.35.41 # JdGordon: that would mean changing the release number/name if it has to be pushed back. major admin headache. 02.35.42 # <_Auron_> makes version numbers easy though 02.35.45 # Zagor: people don't realize the version is just one build 02.35.47 # daily builds have almost alway been stable... 02.36.06 # Llor_Phone: you make a lot of assumptions about our users. I disagree with you on a lot of those. 02.36.08 # Zagor: read the forum some time. Plenty thought they had 2.5 on their ipod 02.36.10 # always, even 02.36.26 # lol, ive seen that 02.36.41 # Zagor: you're making assumptions. I'm talking about what our users actually say. 02.36.46 # gartral, but "stable" is being used in a different context. using it like you are is kind of confusing 02.37.12 # Llor_Phone: the forum is not our users. it's a narrow subset of our users. 02.37.36 # ok, it has always operated stabily, compared with your "dedicated" stable release 02.38.07 # And the other subset can actually read a changelog and won't be surprised by what features 4.0 really brings... 02.38.17 # like me >.> 02.38.36 # * JdGordon thinks users dont really care about numbers and will just use whatever version rbutil or thr download page grabs 02.38.41 # i wish patches would add new files to SVN 02.39.18 # saratoga: i belive the reason there seperate is so the dont break SVN, if they dont work... 02.40.06 # gartral: I don't understand 02.40.12 # patch was around before svn ... 02.40.26 Quit Llor_Phone ("Pocket IRC (http://pocketirc.com/)") 02.41.10 # all the more reason to update it 02.41.15 # or am i confuzzuled by diffs.... 02.41.15 # how far have we come on logf over usb? 02.42.12 # saratoga: patches do add new files to svn. my makefile overhaul added dozens of new files. 02.42.24 # oh, you mean add as in "svn add"? 02.43.09 # svn could include an "svn patch" command that does it 02.43.20 # saratoga, like http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-04/0164.shtml ? 02.43.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.47.26 # krazykit: was that ever added to svn? 02.47.32 # any patch commited 02.47.36 # anyway patch commited 02.48.15 # saratoga, i wouldn't know, it's just what google pulled up :) 02.48.23 # * kugel thinks version numbering based on the release date isn't a bad idea 02.49.10 # I don't think there's major addition soon'ish which would justify bumping the major version (if it's taken as _major_ version) 02.50.14 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dro36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 02.51.16 # so, I'd propose bumping the so called major version one a year, the minor one with every release (after 3.3 there's 4.0 etc) 02.51.18 Quit gregzx (Client Quit) 02.52.31 # how would people feel about allowing the wps to draw numbers from a .bmp strip? so you could display (for example) the clock in a different font than sysfont or the ui font? 02.52.44 # sort of poor-mans-multifont 02.53.03 # kugel: unsurprisingly, I disagree. there are lots of better ways of making PR for ourselves than inflating our version numbers. 02.54.10 # I don't feel strong about the versioning either, but I think it's better then having rockbox 3.1834 02.54.25 # saratoga: yay! about time that got in :) 02.54.57 # if we do 1800 releases without coming up with something that gives us a reason to bump the major version, then people _should_ think we are dead! 02.55.46 # saratoga: arg, you didnt bump the plugin version number... that needs upping if global_settings changes 02.55.53 # well, given the 3 month release cycle, I'm doubtful that there'll anything really major between releases 02.55.59 # changes in a way which isnt backwards compatible 02.56.21 # maybe between anual releases, but not between each 02.56.31 # kugel: I don't see a connection between major changes and the release cycle 02.56.38 # gah 02.56.48 # stupid svn didn't pick up my fixes so theres plenty of yellow 02.56.55 # i blame the lack of svn patch 02.57.26 # well, you can see a major improvement as a high number of minor improvements, but releases within 3 month will always just have a few improvements 02.57.40 # thats not true 02.57.57 # 3 months could bring alot of big changes, just as much as it could bring none 02.58.08 # i have to run, i'll fix the warnings in half an hour 02.58.15 # anyway, I just wanted to give an idea, as I said, I don't really care about the versioning (also because I'm going to run the current anyways ;) ) 02.58.54 # JdGordon: yea, of course 02.59.48 # but between anual releases the chance for noting a big improvement or many minor ones is higher than between 3-monthly releases 02.59.52 # I think we should worry about the code for our next release rather than the code, and definitely not the version number, for a release one or more years from now. 02.59.55 # * JdGordon has no idea how to do this bmp number thing :/ 03.00.29 # JdGordon: rockpaint into core! ;) 03.00.38 # don't try to plan everything. just have fun. it has worked pretty well so far, hasn't it? 03.00.39 # no.... 03.00.54 # its usually fun... 03.00.58 # Zagor: that sounds like a good plan to me 03.02.47 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 03.09.37 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.10.44 Quit XavierGr () 03.11.41 # JdGordon: have you had a look at the quickscreen 4th item patch? 03.12.19 # I'm still thinking of also showing the 4th item on remotes (which is doable with a reasonable font), but the button situation is still messy 03.13.06 # I havn't 03.13.37 # if it doesnt fit then there is no need to force it on... but make sure that if its a remote button press NOT to change the top item if its not 03.15.15 # it fits with the default font 03.15.59 # i.e. the font cabbie uses 03.16.43 # as a 1 line display? 03.17.28 # you mean when bottom and top item are one (not two) line? yes 03.18.07 # yeah 03.18.11 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.18.45 Part gartral 03.18.58 # but there's not much room, so if you're going to use a little larger font it'll look ugly 03.22.51 # * JdGordon wishes there was some way wps tokens can grab some ram to store its values that dont fit into 1 int without wasteing space if its not used 03.26.46 # is it possible to fit 0-51, 0-320, 0-320 into 4 bytes? 03.27.06 # 340 even 03.27.20 # with a union 03.27.31 # (i think) 03.27.34 # hmm.. yeah it will fit 03.28.03 # you can also tell a struct how much *bits* a member should take 03.28.18 # but I heard doing such things is rather bad performance wise 03.28.23 Quit tyfoo ("Carpe diem") 03.28.29 # yeah, thats what I'm tihnking 03.29.08 # this is good enough for a first attempt anyway 03.29.24 # but I doubt it's noticeable, unless you have billions of such structs 03.34.00 # * JdGordon is a bit asleep... 03.34.03 # will this work http://pastebin.ca/1293284 ? 03.36.27 Quit killan_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.36.29 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-415472d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 03.37.37 Join aurix_lexic1 [0] (n=adam@241642hfc125.tampabay.res.rr.com) 03.38.25 Quit aurix_lexico (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.40.19 # JdGordon: not sure 03.40.39 # yeah, i tihnk its wrong... should be 22 on the top, 11 on the bottom 03.40.42 # I tihnk :p 03.42.18 # JdGordon: I was thinking this way: http://pastebin.ca/1293292 03.42.41 # * kugel is hoping pastebin got that paste 03.43.00 # so sloow :/ 03.43.31 # yeah, it went through... 03.43.48 # yeah, that would work, although i prefer doing it myself... 03.50.48 Join Febs [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 04.07.19 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b2/20081201080242]") 04.08.18 Join harryo [0] (n=mythtv@pool-68-161-69-133.ny325.east.verizon.net) 04.09.19 Join webguest92 [0] (n=cef84d8a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bb2b5e01c1eac06d) 04.09.35 # I checked flyspray but could find no mention of the following: upgraded e250 to 3.1 and now get invalid instruction errors doing just about anything. ideas? 04.10.47 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-86497c57f8e5c885) 04.12.05 # Is rockbox compatible with iriver pmp 120 04.13.33 # webguest92: The list of supported devices is on the front page. 04.13.54 # harryo: How did you upgrade, and when did you last update your bootloader? 04.15.19 # Llorean: thx. had 3.0 installed from scratch. just update using util, but it apparently failed so I unziped directly 04.15.37 # Llorean: didn't update bootloader. should I? 04.16.32 # harryo: An outdated bootloader can cause such errors. How did you originally install. RBUtil should have no problems detecting a properly installed older Rockbox. 04.17.05 # Llorean: thanks, i checked but only other iriver devices appear; what would happen if i tried one of them on the pmp series, is it possible that it may work? 04.17.27 # Llorean: original install was with RBUtil. worked OK. upgrade I just selected install of stable rockbox, not bootloader 04.17.54 # Llorean: but upgrade with RBUtil seemed to have failed (no LCD fade options) 04.17.56 # webguest92: No, it's impossible it would work unless all hardware is 100% identical. 04.18.17 # harryo: "Seemed to have failed." Did RButil say it was successful? 04.18.29 # Did you check the version number? 04.18.41 # Llorean: yes, but booted twice and menu didn't seem updated 04.19.38 # So the version number? 04.20.27 # Llorean: version still showed 3.0 04.20.46 # Then the first goal would be figuring out why it's failing to install. 04.20.57 # Llorean: Thanks for the info; last question is whether it is likely that there will be support for th pmp 120 on the near future? 04.21.03 # Llorean: trying again. ticked don't used cached copy 04.21.07 # webguest92: Only if owners of the player actually work on it. 04.21.19 # harryo: It's possible your cable's bad. It sounds like you may have corrupt files, at least. 04.21.36 # harryo: Are you using the newest version of RBUtil? 04.22.09 # Llorean: 1.0.8. cable is good. can copy files no prob. 04.22.16 # Llorean: wish i could help; how would i go about that. 04.22.30 # harryo: Just because you can copy files, doesn't mean the files aren't corrupt... 04.23.08 # webguest92: See the NewPort page on the Rockbox site wiki. 04.24.08 # Llorean: thanks for everything; i'll check it out; wish me luck! & good luck to all. 04.28.18 # ugh the iap commit added crap to langs 04.29.08 Join _Griphin_ [0] (i=Im@S01060011d82b6e2b.gv.shawcable.net) 04.29.24 # <_Griphin_> Evening 04.29.38 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.30.41 # <_Griphin_> I was curious if Rockbox would be ported to the Zune eventually? 04.30.49 # _Griphin_: Ports aren't planned 04.30.59 # They happen when interested owners of the hardware do lots, and lots, and lots of work. :) 04.31.05 # <_Griphin_> Yeah 04.31.23 # <_Griphin_> I wish I knew how to hack the Zune, it badly needs Flac support 04.32.20 # <_Auron_> among other things 04.32.37 # The shortcomings of the original firmware aren't really on topic here anyway. 04.33.21 # worse i mispelled my commit message 04.33.25 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.33.26 Join QUICKSTART [0] (n=QUICKSTA@pool-72-88-172-78.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 04.34.12 # <_Griphin_> OK, thx fer the info 04.34.15 Quit _Griphin_ () 04.34.34 # Merry Christmas everyone 04.35.49 Quit QUICKSTART (Remote closed the connection) 04.39.57 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.40.37 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.41.06 Quit parafin (Nick collision from services.) 04.41.13 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 04.43.02 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0a764a11fdbcdd24) 04.43.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.44.47 # Llorean: now cannot get RBUtil to complete. always get failure to extract (tried several times, with and without SD card installed) 04.45.48 # harryo: If rbutil won't complete, and when you copy the files manually Rockbox shows behaviour as if the files are corrupted, you should try a different USB port, different computer, different cable, or scan the filesystem. 04.45.58 # the bin size increase on archos for the iap patch is surprising, everything should have been ifdefed out on those builds 04.46.15 Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.46.37 # Llorean: I'll try those as I can. will report back. thx 04.52.41 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.57.03 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.03.58 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 05.05.16 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-154-103.nwrk.east.verizon.net) 05.07.03 # saratoga: you still havnt bum,ped the plugin api version... 05.10.40 # Llorean: took 3 fsck's, but now upgraded. thx much! 05.13.19 # JdGordon: do I need to? 05.13.41 # yes, you added settings into the middle of the global_settings struct 05.14.17 Join m0f0x [0] (i=m0f0x@gateway/tor/x-c48faa85dab09fe1) 05.18.18 Quit harryo () 05.30.17 Join tried_3 [0] (n=63e8ef16@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd4e30011013c470) 05.31.01 # nooooooooooooo!!! only got 16 bits to play with in the wps token value :'( 05.32.11 # just stoped by to say thank you for this great firmware... i just switched from v 2 to 3.1 and oh it rulez 05.35.57 Quit tried_3 ("CGI:IRC") 05.40.56 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@58.192.40.18) 05.53.43 Quit aurix_lexic1 ("Leaving.") 06.03.25 # haha this works :D 06.03.38 # * JdGordon might have a semi-late xmas pressy for the WPS crowd 06.03.50 # JdGordon: Whatcha changing? 06.04.22 # brand new feature :) 06.04.47 Join pixelma_ [0] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 06.05.00 # What feature though? 06.05.15 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.05.25 # lets you drawn a number from a bmp strip... 06.05.36 # Ah, you mentioned that earlier. 06.05.50 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.06.08 # its not quite working yet, and its crashing the sim a fair bit so might not get it good enough to hand out today though :/ 06.06.55 Quit pixelma (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.07.31 # So basically, any numeric tag can be given a strip bitmap to use for its numerals? 06.07.53 # hahaha it works :) 06.07.55 # and yes 06.08.00 # Also a : character? 06.08.05 # no 06.08.17 # I need to limit it sensibly 06.08.24 # I think "times" is a sensible limit. 06.08.41 # well the time is made of multiple tags anyway, so the : can be a seperate bmp 06.08.49 # Not "progress in a song" time. 06.08.50 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.09.05 # also adding non numbers makes it more complicated, but i guess thye can be added 06.10.06 # I *think* the only non-number that's really needed is : so you can use it for %pc 06.10.20 # I mean, otherwise what's the point? 06.10.29 # For hour/minute/second you can already use them in a conditional with bitmaps, right? 06.10.58 # I guess so, but currently you need 60 bmps to show the minute 06.10.59 # Or, if you can't, they could just be made into a conditional and leave out any automagic bitmap handling. 06.11.16 # but yeah, there is no point.. just another fun thing to add 06.11.21 # No, you need 15 bitmaps, I think. 06.11.37 # (blank) through 5 in the "tens" digit, and 0-9 in the ones digit. 06.11.47 # You need 60 conditionals, but you don't need to use whole bitmaps. :) 06.11.58 # ah yeah 06.11.58 # Well, 60 conditional steps 06.12.03 # this is crtailny easier though :) 06.12.32 # Probably, but I think if it's something they can already do, it should offer the ability to do it someplace they can't already do it. ;) 06.13.54 # I'm also forcing fixed width chars... which might be another reason to not add the : 06.13.55 # ? 06.16.57 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-237e25641c0e9adf) 06.21.24 # hehe it works :) 06.21.32 # I have a really really bad strip to test with though 06.22.52 Join Frog29 [0] (n=46b011fa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-458893bb8cb75517) 06.22.55 # hello 06.23.20 # I'm a new user here getting a missing mingwm10.dll error on two computers 06.23.52 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06.24.11 # Frog29, i think someone else had that issue.. i would have to look in the logs again 06.24.47 # i did some research anbd i saw at some poitn a whiel ago someone else had that problem 06.24.53 # maybe the file ws not packaged 06.25.24 # right now i'm trying to ginf the dll just by itself :P 06.27.22 # yea, manually installing the dll worked 06.27.27 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 06.27.41 # and the olver version of the rockbox utility worked) 06.29.29 # Llorean: really bad example... http://imagebin.ca/view/8i4Iy7.html the top line is the plain text 12345 in the wps.. the 2nd line is %px (track percent complete) 06.30.21 # apparently today is not my lucky day with rockbox 06.30.30 # now it won't find my sansa 06.30.46 # its not a v2 is it? 06.30.52 # yes i haev the right letter and product) 06.31.05 # don't beleive so, just about to double check 06.31.43 # version 01.01.18A 06.32.02 # and under usb mode it says msc and mtp so not rapshody 06.33.07 # are you using msc mode? 06.33.13 # yes 06.33.28 # i can access it through explorer 06.33.54 # That doesn't mean it's in MSC mode. MTP devices can be accessed through explorer too 06.34.11 # hmm last tiem i checked it was but i shall reset it 06.35.00 # changed it to it again and still same problem 06.35.28 # would it be a bad idea to use the 1.07 installer and install 3.0? 06.35.44 # then just manually update to 3.1? 06.36.02 # It's unlikely the 1.0.7 utility will find your player if 1.0.8 won't. 06.36.17 # yea 06.36.20 # just tried it :P 06.36.27 # hmmmm 06.36.44 # What drive letter is your device? 06.37.00 # on one of my computers it had found it however i had a prblem with that computer not installign it correctly - i've already debricked it once 06.37.02 # J 06.37.32 # Are you sure your cable's good? 06.37.40 # {and yes my antivirus is disabled} 06.38.00 # i have no way to know if it is, but i have been able to transfer fiels succesfully 06.38.05 # *files 06.38.16 # thanks for the help btw 06.38.19 # If it's having such problems on multiple computers, it seems likely there's some sort of hardware concern. Bad installs to the point of needing debricking aren't even really plausible if the hardware's good. 06.38.29 # hmm 06.38.36 # maybe i did something wrong, let me try again :P 06.38.44 # do ineed to update the default firmware? 06.39.07 # The original firmware version shouldn't really be a concern. 06.39.08 # i have version version 01.01.18A 06.39.12 # k 06.39.14 # brb 06.39.54 # Frog29, what os are you using? 06.40.30 # advcomp2019: He said he's using explorer, so it's Windows. 06.41.21 # Llorean, i was wondering vista or xp tho 06.41.31 # xp 06.43.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.44.45 # ok 06.45.33 # its time for the full story - so i got a newly refurbished sansa e280, then i tried to isntall rockbox on it, got the missing dll so i used the older 1.07 isntaller did the full isntall from there 06.45.43 # gave me an eror when isntalling botolaoder 06.46.00 # restareted device and it was missing both files - rockbox and the sansa but the bootloader was wroking 06.46.10 # so i undbricked back to the firmware it came with 06.46.26 # and then on the original computer it now won't recognize the player at all when it did earlier 06.46.29 # hmmm 06.48.38 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) 06.49.50 # wierdest story ending ever - so iwent back to computer A and used 1.07 and it worked perfectly 06.49.58 # thanks for your help 06.50.15 # although i'm still curious why 1.08 refuses to work on any ocmputer 06.50.29 # and maybe the dll is not packaged 06.50.37 # the dll should be unnecessary. 06.50.44 # It was compiled wrongly it seems. 06.50.49 # k 06.50.57 # As long as the dll is present, it should still work, though. 06.51.04 # any clue one 1.07 working but not 1.08? 06.51.19 # *on 06.53.35 # My bet is still simply on sporadically working bad cable. 06.53.45 # hmmm... darn 06.53.49 # Given all your other troubles. 06.54.01 # But it's also possible 1.08 is less working than expected at the moment. 06.54.18 # k 06.55.11 # Can i try to run the isntall of rockbox from 1.08 but not the bootloader to update? 06.55.37 # aka is the firmware updated for 3.1? 06.55.56 # i mean bootloader not firmware 06.57.53 # I don't know if there's a new bootloader, but I don't think there is. 06.59.08 # uea... maybe it is a finicky cable - i just isntalled rockbox 3.1 from 1.08 - no errors 06.59.26 # although it may very well just be software - also note i was not trying to update the bootloader 07.00.23 Quit sarixe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.00.35 # thanks for your help 07.00.39 # farewell 07.05.15 Quit Frog29 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.08.06 Quit m0f0x (Client Quit) 07.12.01 Part toffe82 07.20.23 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 07.24.07 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 07.43.50 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.50.32 Join _rossy_ [0] (n=chatzill@d122-109-58-2.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 07.52.03 # <_rossy_> i just got an iriver E100 for christmas 07.52.35 # <_rossy_> i was wondering how far rockbox has got with it 07.52.50 # <_rossy_> afaik the firmware is still encrypted 07.58.07 # _rossy_: I don't think anyone started on a rockbox port to that target 07.59.58 # <_rossy_> yeah, theres only a info page on the wiki 08.05.30 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCDBE4.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.05.49 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.15.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE100Internals - quality of these images is terrible ;/ 08.16.17 # <_rossy_> yeah 08.16.46 # <_rossy_> ive been trying to decrypt the firmware image 08.17.19 # <_rossy_> ifp_decode, mi4code and irde don't work 08.19.25 # mi4code won't work since its not a PP device 08.20.10 # you'll probably need to write some new tool for whatever CPU it uses 08.20.23 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au) 08.20.40 Quit wpyh (Remote closed the connection) 08.21.45 # <_rossy_> i think it uses a standard iriver .HEX format firmware, just with a different encryption key 08.22.42 # write a BOINC software for bruteforcing it ;p 08.23.03 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.24.32 # we know what SoC it is.. but dont have datasheets for it 08.25.05 # and the first 15 bytes of the .hex is 001122334455...ff (or something like that) but the rest is encrypted 08.25.11 # <_rossy_> yeah 08.25.12 # thats as far as we got with the e100 08.25.30 # <_rossy_> is there any plans for continuing work on it? 08.25.30 # * JdGordon wouldnt mind rockbox on it.. good replacement for the sansa e200 08.25.50 # well, untill either the .hex is decrypted, or we find the datasheet there isnt much that can be done 08.26.06 # <_rossy_> hmm 08.26.11 # TCC7801? 08.26.23 # forums says its a mips chip 08.26.36 # <_rossy_> that's what i heard 08.27.13 # <_rossy_> i like the E100 a lot actually 08.27.33 # <_rossy_> nice big screen, built in line-in jack etc... 08.28.00 # microSD... 08.28.07 # <_rossy_> that too :) 08.28.13 # <_rossy_> its just that the default firmware is not so great 08.28.56 # bluetooth? 08.29.27 # <_rossy_> no, it doesnt have that 08.29.34 # <_rossy_> although that would be awesome 08.29.58 # if there's OTG USB controller in it... 08.30.27 # everything has an OTG controller 08.30.53 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 08.31.22 # so should it be possible to attach e.g. another player to a player? 08.31.58 # <_rossy_> hmm, probably not on the E100, but i know the gigabeat can do that 08.32.03 # should be, though you'd probably need to make a special cable for it 08.32.41 # and Rockbox drivers ;) 08.44.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.47.48 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.05.39 Quit BHSPitLappy (Remote closed the connection) 09.09.17 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 09.21.49 # * amiconn wonders why the accessory patch isn't enabled for the minis 09.28.09 # do we know the serial lines? 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The PP502x ipods are all the same regarding that 09.34.06 # probably didnt have anyone testing with it then? 09.38.39 Quit HellDragon (Remote closed the connection) 09.39.03 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable100.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 09.44.27 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 09.44.42 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 10.14.09 Join fredddy [0] (n=freddy@p3E9E003D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.15.26 Quit nplus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.22.18 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 10.35.03 Join romain [0] (n=romain@peerfuse.org) 10.38.10 Quit _rossy_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 10.44.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.55 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@aarr193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 10.51.28 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-210-210.net.novis.pt) 10.52.45 # hello :-) Merry Christmas to everyone!!! :-) 10.53.37 # I have one question: can someone please look at this build warnings and tell me what they means? http://pastebin.com/m5cc9f5ea 10.54.03 # 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I've enabled logf and DEBUG with the configure script, then built a simulator. I can see the logf and logfdump entries under System->Debug, but they don't seem to do/contain any information. How do I actually enable logging? 15.51.26 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE22273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.55.37 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@aarr193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 16.11.02 # wpyh: do you have #included logf.h? 16.11.37 # but actually, you don't really need logf for simullators (I don't know if it actually works), since debugf is just fine 16.12.05 # hm... I have logf.h all over make.def in the build dir 16.12.23 # I didn't write my own plugin, just trying to debug the database/tagcache for FS#9093 16.12.54 # I'll try debugf 16.12.56 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.20.09 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bdfecc171cd6c607) 16.20.51 # wpyh: you don't need to define that in the make file 16.21.04 # just in the file you want to logf, followed by the #include 16.21.10 # and then enable a logf build 16.23.09 # ok, I did that, but nothing appears in System->Debug->logf . I was able to debug by commenting out #include and adding "#define logf debugf" though 16.23.18 # my method is primitive :p 16.23.29 Quit wpyh (Remote closed the connection) 16.23.52 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 16.26.29 Quit wpyh (Remote closed the connection) 16.26.56 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 16.28.33 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 16.29.46 Quit J-23 (Remote closed the connection) 16.30.07 Join J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 16.31.30 # wpyh: you need to #define LOGF_ENABLE in every file you want to enable logf _before_ including logf.h 16.32.42 # the problem with FS#9093 is that when no media files are found, tc_stat.ready is false. now, I would like to ask the developers: what is the expected behaviour? my guess is that the database initialization should complete as normal and a tagcache file created as normal. is my guess correct? 16.32.51 # n1s: I didn't try that... will try :) 16.43.32 # I've been able to use n1s' method to get logf() working 16.44.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.23 Quit n1s () 16.47.59 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 16.50.42 Join aurix_lexico [0] (n=adam@241642hfc125.tampabay.res.rr.com) 16.54.04 Join onlysoaa [0] (n=Soaa@dsl-138-244.aei.ca) 16.54.18 Part onlysoaa 17.03.18 Quit ch4os ("leaving") 17.04.57 # * wpyh gets confused reading tagcache code... 17.08.50 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@gentoo/user/ch4os) 17.17.46 Quit tyfoo ("Carpe diem") 17.23.03 # wpyh: you're not the first one :) 17.26.12 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm203.delta90.maxonline.com.sg) 17.27.46 # ah... :) 17.31.50 # i left my 60% charged ipod connected to the usb for 2 days and to my horror the battery was drained when i wanted to use it...... 17.32.08 # anyone have an idea what actually happens? 17.33.46 Join StuartLathrop [0] (n=47550935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-20dc5a54c9fa2829) 17.35.03 # was it running rockbox? 17.36.24 # yes 17.36.35 # its a 5.5g ipod 17.36.54 # so it kicked into apple firmware when i first connected it 17.37.15 # left it alone for 2 days and when unplugged it it showed 8% battery 17.37.41 # only managed to get around 35mins of playback before it shutdown 17.38.00 # that's weird -- maybe a bad cable? but I don't think it's related to rockbox because it's not in rockbox when connected to usb 17.38.04 # when i reconnected it again, it showed extremely low battery 17.38.14 # i was thinking it might be an ipod thingy? 17.38.36 Quit Darksair` (Client Quit) 17.38.52 # anyway im testing playback battery life on flac 17.39.01 # i dont see it in the list of runtime 17.39.23 # IpodRuntime page? 17.40.38 # yup 17.40.51 # stock 80gig ipod playing flac files 17.42.54 # I have an FM preset file I would like to contribute; have registered & activated, but need write permission (per the wiki). Thanks in advance, but no hurry. 17.48.18 Quit StuartLathrop ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.50.25 Join StuartLathrop [0] (n=47550935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9bef4fa9b313166c) 17.51.25 # StuartLathrop is also your wiki name I guess? 17.54.59 # StuartLathrop: you should be able to edit the wiki now, no spam now! :) 17.55.53 Quit StuartLathrop ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.00.41 # Hmm, it seems we might be doing something wrong either to the pcf or some other chip in the mini g2 18.02.00 # My mini g2 didn't charge at all anymore, regardless of how I tried (loader, diskmode). Then I left it alone for ~2 weeks, which drained the battery completely (RTC time was lost) 18.02.09 # Now it charges normally again 18.08.32 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ce58d92d7944e9e3) 18.10.36 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 18.10.50 Join StuartLathrop [0] (n=47550935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-77f86d1d20aaab8e) 18.10.51 Quit StuartLathrop (Client Quit) 18.12.01 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.13.07 Quit perrikwp (Client Quit) 18.15.29 Quit gregzx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.20.55 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-96ff4a39c7e85ff0) 18.27.48 Join lnf3ct [0] (i=xim@gateway/tor/x-c3bd4fb7ac817c00) 18.29.24 # does replaygain work on .cue files? 18.31.17 # on my ipod video 5.5g, if I plug in the USB cable while the player is powered off, then it will boot into RB, then reboot into the OF 18.31.26 # is there a way to make it boot straight into the OF? 18.32.42 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 18.33.19 # the hold toggle? 18.33.34 # nah, without that 18.33.46 # just by plugging in the USB cable while it's powered off 18.35.48 Quit Bagder (Connection timed out) 18.37.02 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 18.37.37 # I see that some targets have this nice feature (in bootloader/main-pp.c)... 18.39.39 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.44.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.44.50 Join Indomitable [0] (n=NoName@ool-182ce4af.dyn.optonline.net) 18.44.53 Quit fredddy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.47.44 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p57B4F083.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.13 # lnf3ct: If you mean individual track gain stored in the .cue, then no. But if there's a replaygain value stored in the accompanying audio file, then Rockbox will use that. 18.48.34 # linuxstb, right. it's as i thought. thanks :) 18.50.45 Quit lucent (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.59.49 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.28 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 19.02.21 # I was wondering if I could get some help regarding my "broken" ipod video 80gb with rockbox. 19.02.57 # It dropped on the sidewalk two weeks ago and the lcd screen cracked while the hard drive itself with rockbox on it was still working. I sent it to ipodjuice.com to get the screen fixed but before I did that I tried to uninstall rockbox but didn't do the best actual process of uninstalling it and merely deleted 'rockbox.ipod' from the ipod video itself 19.03.19 # the technician who replaced the screen said he was not able to get past the rockbox firmware which I didn't understand what he meant exactly over the phone but said I could send it back if it wasnt working. 19.03.44 # I got it back yesterday but it would not charge and kept giving me the low battery screen when I used my computer usb port 19.04.07 Join Febs_ [0] (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.04.27 # when I used my wallcharger it started up and I got a black rockbox screen that said could not find rockbox.ipod hold menu+select to restart then play+select for boot disk mode 19.04.46 Join feindbild [0] (n=iostream@p57B2E5EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.04.56 # I did that and left it charging with the wallcharger but whenever I unplug it from the wallcharger it turns off 19.05.04 # and won't power back on 19.05.53 # I tried all of the various low battery ipod methods but I have gotten no luck and was wondering I needed to have the ipod sent back 19.06.46 # when the ipod is pluged into the wallcharger and the apple firmware is loaded it says it is charging but even after hours of "charging" as soon as it is removed from the wallcharger it wont power back on 19.07.12 # It sounds like your battery is either defective or has reached the end of its usable lifespan. 19.07.59 # alright 19.08.40 # The "can't find rockbox.ipod" message is a separate issue. You either do not have a Rockbox build installed or you didn't properly unzip the build to the root of your ipod. 19.08.59 Quit wpyh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.09.02 # actually 19.09.22 # before I sent the ipod to get it's lcd screen fixed at ipodjuice.com 19.09.34 # I did not uninstall rockbox correctly but merely deleted rockbox.ipod 19.09.55 # thinking it would help whoever was fixing the ipod and only apple firmware would load 19.10.52 # I said that about a mintue before you joined Febs_ 19.10.59 # *minute 19.14.19 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.14.39 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=chatzill@207-172-204-61.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.15.21 # So what do you want to do? Uninstall Rockbox so that the technician can service the iPod? 19.16.42 # the technician has done that it was a broken lcd screen but everything else worked fine and I got the ipod back yesterday and have been having the charging issue. 19.17.16 # Did you have the issue before? 19.17.21 # no 19.18.02 # I just wasn't sure if it was a problem with the fact that rockbox wasn't uninstalled properly 19.18.13 # or if I simply need to send the ipod back to them 19.18.15 # It sounds to me like you have two completely separate issues. 19.18.51 # well the main issue is about the ipod not charging after it's lcd screen broken and was replaced by a technician 19.19.27 # You can fix the rockbox.ipod problem by installing a new Rockbox build. Just download this file and unzip it to the root of the ipod: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.1/rockbox-ipodvideo64mb-3.1.zip 19.19.41 # the issue of rockbox.ipod not found I would assume if the ipod was charging I could simply boot the ipod in disk mode and factory restore it 19.20.10 # I can not sadly as the laptop will not recognize the ipod 19.20.55 # The charging issue is probably 1 of 3 things: (1) you broke something in the charging circuit when you dropped the ipod; (2) the technician broke something while fixing it; or (3) the battery happened to die at exactly the time you had it serviced. 19.20.56 # the ipod will only charge with the wall charger and even after having it charge for hours as soon as it is taken off the wall charger it powers off and won't turn back on 19.21.10 # oh 19.21.52 # It's also possible that the battery and charging circuit are both fine but the battery just isn't properly connected. 19.22.12 # I see 19.23.27 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.23.45 # 3.1? didnt even notice it great now to see the changes 19.24.04 # You could open up the ipod to check the connection. There are plenty of battery replacement guides that show you how to do that, which you can find through Google. 19.24.39 # Ok so I would simply be checking if the connection is secure 19.25.27 # If I have the same problem after checking should I assume I should send the ipod back and tell technician the proper way to load the apple firmware 19.26.55 # is there any technical advantage of using backlight fading? 19.27.31 Join Greggy [0] (n=8eb1a172@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dd365122af53ad5a) 19.27.58 Quit Greggy (Client Quit) 19.28.12 Join Greggy [0] (n=8eb1a172@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a54afc8affa04617) 19.28.42 # Hello, rather than rephrase my question here... I thought I'd just provide a link to the thread regarding the question I have for you all: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19786.0 19.29.11 # Indomitable: it's up to you, of course, but that's what I would probably do. 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I'm using rockbox on a 5g ipod. not strictly a rockbox question, but i'm using linux, and when I plug it in it gets mounted, I think, as utf8, so accented characters show up funny. how can I configure it so it gets mounted correctly? what charset should it be? 20.07.38 Join Jaykay [0] (n=chatzill@p579E65EA.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.08.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9694 is a dupicate to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9695, the "discussion" is in 9695, so the first can be closed 20.08.32 # duplicate 20.12.44 # Jaykay: Please don't use sarcasm when commenting on tasks. It makes everything easier all around if you just stick to comments that are clear and actually meaningful/functional. 20.13.02 # Remember that a lot of people discussing tasks don't have English as a native language and may miss sarcasm entirely. 20.14.27 # ok.... although i think the patch is quite useless..... but ill try :) 20.15.16 # If you think the patch is useless, say "I don't see a need for this patch" or similar. 20.15.28 # ok 20.17.47 Quit gromit` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.23.53 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-60-18.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.25.31 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3D8E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.25.55 # merry christmas! 20.33.08 # happy festivus! 20.36.15 Quit reacocard ("leaving") 20.37.13 Join reacocard [0] (i=reacocar@66.111.62.173) 20.44.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.01.40 Quit itcheg (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.01.40 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.01.40 Quit Febs (niven.freenode.net 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(n=shodanX@jazz.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 21.09.20 NJoin Zambezi [0] (i=stolgfor@bnc.fran.dotbnc.se) 21.09.20 NJoin tim__b [0] (i=tim__b@the-ascii-scene.doesntexist.org) 21.15.15 Join Debian365 [0] (i=alekgrig@pool-71-244-0-6.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 21.16.21 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-71-230-163-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 21.18.08 Join Acky [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust202.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 21.19.11 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.26 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.20.15 Quit Indomitable () 21.23.33 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 21.23.39 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.24.39 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.28.31 # ls 21.32.17 # hi folks, i am running r19589 now and experience some strange behaviour when battery benching. my 5.5G ipod shuts off after ~1h 15min. is this a known issue? next test is playback without a running battery bench plugin. 21.32.35 # i am asking becasue i saw several changes in the powermanagement 21.32.42 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.34.38 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust202.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 21.36.08 # Buschel: what says the battery_bench.txt as reason why the bench ended? 21.36.19 # reason: power off 21.36.49 # how much % is left? 21.37.02 # depends: 88-92% 21.43.10 Quit Acky (Connection timed out) 21.44.02 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 21.45.22 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.45.59 Join Acky [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust202.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 21.50.51 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 21.58.45 Quit XavierGr () 21.58.53 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 21.58.56 Quit gromit` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.58.59 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.59.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.01.53 Quit Acksaw (Connection timed out) 22.03.33 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@aarr193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.04.06 Quit Ligh7C (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.31 # I can't find a way to make my linux box mount my ipod under a correct charset, so accented characters look garbled on rockbox 22.07.47 # anybody has any hints on this? 22.08.00 # tried messing around with HAL's preferences.fdi, but it doesn't seem to be working 22.14.00 Quit kushal_12_27_200 ("This computer has gone to sleep") 22.14.58 Join kushal_12_27_200 [0] (n=kushal@c-71-230-163-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 22.15.23 Quit kushal_12_27_200 (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.13 # Unhelpful: ping 22.18.36 # anybody, please? i've been fiddling with this all day 22.18.59 # if I plug in my ipod to a windows computers, accented characters are garbled as well... 22.19.10 Quit fredddy (Remote closed the connection) 22.19.21 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-63-173.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.21.08 # gregorovius: what font are you using in rockbox? 22.21.29 # i.e. did you make sure the fonts support the chars you're trying to display? 22.21.58 # it's not the fonts, if I plug it into a windows computer it also displays accented characters wrong 22.22.24 # kugel: I don't know it if's iocharset, codepage, whatnot 22.23.06 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.23.26 # gregorovius: just try unifont and see if it helps 22.24.01 # windows uses extended ascii, and not unicode so that might be the problem in windows 22.24.06 # (afaik) 22.25.17 # kugel: unifont? I don't have any font named like that. I think fat and unicode are not meant to go together 22.26.04 # unifont is in the font package available under extras on the front page 22.26.58 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.27.26 # ah, ok. no, it doesn't help at all 22.28.07 # gregorovius: and if you name them correct in windows they show up properly on rockbox too (but not on linux?) 22.28.28 # kugel: they show correctly on rockbox, haven't tried on linux 22.28.39 # so where do they show up wrong? 22.29.04 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-63-173.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.29.09 # if I copy music from my linux box (using utf8) to my ipod, the filenames display wrong both on rockbox and on windows 22.29.11 # you said "I can't find a way to make my linux box mount my ipod[...]" so you have tried linux 22.29.44 # do you mount manually or how do you make sure it's utf8? 22.29.45 # if I copy music from windows (which I don't do, normally) it displays ok on rockbox, I don't know nor care on linux, all I want is for my linux box to correctly mount my ipod 22.30.17 # hal takes care of it, I'm guessing it's utf8, but I don't know honestly, I don't know much about this 22.31.46 # what linux are you using?= 22.32.05 # arch linux 22.32.12 # * kugel isn't sure if that's really on topic :/ 22.32.55 # gregorovius: hm, I have no idea how that's configurable in arch linux, but I know you can pass a codepage with -o to the mount program 22.33.05 # "man mount" may help you 22.33.28 # kugel: is it a codepage matter? or iocharset? my main problem is that I don't know what the problem is 22.33.41 # no idea 22.33.51 # what country are you? 22.34.03 Join gregzx_ [0] (n=chatzill@aarr193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.34.26 # it's likely a codepage issue if unifont cannot display the filenames properly 22.34.38 # argentina 22.35.13 # do you know what's the default windows codepage? 22.35.20 Quit gregzx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.32 Nick gregzx_ is now known as gregzx (n=chatzill@aarr193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 22.35.47 # extended ascii, i.e. the first 128 chars are standard ascii, the other 128 are region dependent 22.35.56 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.37.06 # for unicode the first 256 chars are the same as in iso-8859-1 afaik 22.37.39 # maybe windows uses a homebrewed codepage, but I don't think so as rockbox detects it properly (and rockbox default codepage is utf8) 22.39.26 # gregorovius: you should probably look how you can configure automount or devices in archlinux or set a default codepage, that's all I can tell (i think linux is wrong in this case) 22.39.55 # even though I've also seen weird codepage issues between windows and linux, but I didn't care to fix them enough 22.40.49 # kugel: using 'iocharset=utf8' as a mount option did it 22.42.56 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@host-90-239-93-153.mobileonline.telia.com) 22.44.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.46.25 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Remote closed the connection) 22.48.46 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 22.53.12 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 22.59.14 # Llorean: I think things like video support on the same level as audio (i.e. playlists integration, multiple codec support,...), or network support (streaming audio,...) would be major-version bumpers. 23.09.27 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 23.09.33 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.10.49 # what do you recommend for bidirectional sync between an ipod and my computer? rsync? unison? 23.14.25 Quit XavierGr () 23.16.34 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B47E66.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.19.32 Quit Jaykay ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 23.19.36 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0aed9eeff813e3a2) 23.24.29 Quit itcheg (Client Quit) 23.25.24 Quit gromit`` ("Coyote finally caught me") 23.25.52 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-63-173.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.30.11 Quit Horschti ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad") 23.33.37 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 23.36.28 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.38.21 Quit gregorovius () 23.49.05 Join Buschel_ [0] (n=abc@p54A3D8E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.49.05 Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.57.36 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection)