--- Log for 29.12.108 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.15 # thanks, all! 00.00.19 # very helpful 00.00.37 # Torne: you're welcome 00.00.48 # if you're curious, i'm trying to port frotz :) 00.01.24 # which is pretty nicely coded to be portable, but expects a *little* more from the OS abstraction than rockbox can actually provide :) 00.01.39 # that could be really nice! 00.01.56 # ...actually, if you know enough about how the stack is managed, would it be easier to "return" from another function in the call stack than to implement an actual setjmp/longjmp? 00.01.58 # text adventures in their traditional form are unlikely to be very playable on rb of course 00.02.02 # our text input isn't the best though 00.02.10 # but my intention is to support more menu-driven things 00.02.20 # the zmachine is just a nice text-centric VM that can do that kind of stuff 00.02.21 # right 00.02.22 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 00.02.32 # there are Inform libraries that replace the standard parser with menu input 00.02.41 # to ake more choose-your-own-adventure style games 00.02.45 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.02.45 # nice 00.02.53 # my personal goal is to write something like a turn based RPG 00.03.18 # s'only going to work on the platforms with lots of ram, though :) 00.03.27 # atm i have a 256KB buffer for the story 00.03.28 # hrm, you could maybe target the chip8 emu, for that purpose, rather than z-machine? 00.03.51 # chip8 is kind of tiny 00.03.51 # Unhelpful: No crash on linux either (I'm testing on 64 bit though) 00.04.02 # z-machine v5 can address 256KB of code/text 00.04.04 # There already is a chip8 emu plugin 00.04.08 # (though a lot less than that for variables) 00.04.43 # i'm after text, not graphics 00.04.46 # amiconn: weird. might be a compiler glitch, or to do w/ the offending title or font... who knows? :/ 00.04.55 # in the absence of graphics, lots of text is normally used (thousand words, and all that) 00.05.10 # so having the ability to address a lot of strings (in the fairly clever way the zmachine does) is handy 00.05.20 # i don't see how "6 Biggest Hits" could be causing it to draw from a nonexistent glyph, though :/ 00.05.21 # Torne: you can grab the audiobuffer on lowmem targets. then you will fit on all players. 00.05.31 # true 00.05.43 # i've got a 64mb ipod, though 00.05.46 # so for now this will do :) 00.05.54 Join caravan [0] (n=59769b8a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fb64b69fd20d4836) 00.05.55 # <_Auron_> 64mb ipod o.O 00.05.58 # though it won;t be able to run z8 like this either 00.06.02 # Unhelpful: Btw, I think the scrolling in PF should obey the global scroll settings instead of doing its own. What is most annoying imho is the fact that it does back & forth scrolling without any pauses 00.06.07 # since z8 stories can be 512kb which is the entire plugin buffer 00.06.18 # _Auron_: ram, not disk 00.06.24 # <_Auron_> oh :O 00.06.29 # _Auron_: ipod video 60/80gb have 64mb ram, 30gb has only 32mb 00.06.33 # <_Auron_> I see 00.06.57 # Hi, I was thinking about buying a sansa fuze...someone has some feedback about it? 00.07.14 # caravan: other than it not being supported yet? 00.07.21 # yes 00.07.33 # caravan: then you want to be in #rockbox-community... 00.07.36 # Zagor: but anyway, yah. first step is getting frotz to run at all with some simple zmachine test stories 00.07.38 # <_Auron_> well I've seen entire console-style rpgs developed for TI calculators that have 24kb of RAM :P and 8kb limit on code 00.07.41 # I read the thread about it, and 00.07.49 # _Auron_: i don't like graphics so much 00.07.56 # just want to know more 00.08.04 # _Auron_: i mean more like a D&D style RPG 00.08.13 # lots of description of places and stuff 00.08.31 # <_Auron_> okay 00.08.39 # Torne: yeah, start easy. if you pull it off on ipod I'm pretty sure you will get plenty of help with other targets :) 00.08.53 # Zagor: yah. i would be developing some Inform libraries to help people write games for it too 00.08.56 # <_Auron_> mm, a rogue-like would be good for rockbox. though players tend to lack buttons.. 00.09.09 # anyway, i need to bail 00.09.16 # thanks for the help; will see what i can get to work :) 00.09.17 Part Torne 00.10.29 # amiconn: guh, another job for me to do? ;) 00.10.55 Quit webguest28 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.13.49 # how hard would it be to use the actual core functions in PF? the most ideal would be some sort of struct scroll_context, and a func to update it, and let the caller deal with actual drawing, but i can understand very well why core might not *have* such a thing already. 00.15.32 # don't other plugins already use core scrolling? I'm thinking of the text_editor and such 00.15.53 # anyone here familar with the gigabeat S port? 00.16.31 # saratoga: only as a user, really. 00.17.14 # pixelma: is it exposed in such a way that greylib apps can use it? the tracklist is still greylib, only the menu is native 00.17.18 # Unhelpful: do you know if the firmware partition is mounted by rockbox? 00.17.24 # in USB mode that is 00.18.07 # the OF firmware one, with the nk.bin on it? it's exposed to host computers via USB in rockbox, if that's what you mean. 00.18.13 Join Slack_ [0] (n=brett@12-218-63-169.client.mchsi.com) 00.18.19 # Unhelpful: no idea 00.18.45 # Unhelpful: so two partitions get mounted? 00.19.12 # two partitions are visible. i only mount the firmware one if i'm updating the bootloader. 00.19.34 # pixelma: time to dig, then? :D 00.20.02 # Unhelpful: have you updated the bootloader since installing? 00.20.14 # yes, but not any time recently 00.20.26 # ok thanks 00.21.08 # is it possible to dump an entire partition to a file in Windows or cygwin? I don't have a linux box handy 00.22.08 # saratoga: USe dd in cygwin, or windows native dd 00.22.22 # dd should be able to, i don't know how you specify the device, though 00.22.31 # are you working on looking for the OF binary? :D 00.23.18 # Unhelpful: yes I wanted to take a quick look at that 00.23.25 # <_Auron_> I wish I could browse songs by file directory instead of artist/genre/album/etc on my sansa right now <_< 00.23.29 # i've got a fresh gigabeatS here thats not been rockboxed yet 00.24.20 # Device names for cygwin dd are simple. Cygwin maps the windows' "harddisk 0" to sda, harddisk 1 to sdb etc 00.24.25 # if the blocks aren't consecutive, i'd imagine you could still search for each block of the OF 00.24.30 Quit lasser ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.4/2008112309]") 00.24.46 # Windows native dd uses the cryptic raw device names, but has a list option to figure them out 00.25.00 # i'm hoping they are consecutive, it would be odd to flash the device with a fragmented image 00.25.04 Quit kiddecks (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.53 # maybe, but since you can "flash" the device by sending a firmware file to the OF, which i assume uses a filesystem driver to write it to disk... :/ 00.26.00 # /* Never use the last buffer descriptor */ ??? then why do we have it? 00.26.08 # the pre-OF recovery mode seems to work the same way, as well. 00.29.00 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@204.116.245.152) 00.30.50 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 00.31.29 # should cygwin mount in /dev ? 00.31.41 # ah cygdrive 00.32.52 # cygdrive mirrors the drive letters 00.33.10 # Raw device access needs /dev/sdX. These are purely virtual 00.33.56 # pixelma: i can't work on it now, but it appears that other plugins use lcd_puts_scroll, which is native, of course. ideally, this should probably be reimplimented in greylib, rather than directly in pf. 00.34.38 # amiconn: i don't have anything but fd, stdin, etc in /dev 00.34.45 # do i need to type something to mount them there? 00.35.23 # You're not mounting them, just accessing them like on linux. There won't be any files, that's why I said they're virtual 00.35.24 Quit caravan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.35.36 # pixelma: Yes 00.35.38 # E.g. dd if=/dev/sdb of=yourdumpfile.bin 00.36.18 # how should I figure out which is which? 00.36.34 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.42 # You need to find the windows device number. The disk manager will tell you 00.36.57 # Llorean: could you add "wiki"? And I think it complained about some player names too but not sure which and if that's important 00.37.34 # Unhelpful: ok, nice to know someones's taking care. No hurry :) 00.38.59 # pixelma: The current list should be "ipod, iaudio, sansa, cowon, iriver, archos, meizu, sandisk, wiki" now 00.39.07 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@dyndsl-095-033-079-251.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 00.39.49 # I bet it was "Ondio", seldom used though... thanks 00.39.56 # I'll add ondio 00.40.19 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.40.25 # neat :) 00.41.23 Quit kachna ("Konversation terminated!") 00.41.57 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87.196.168.147) 00.42.17 # hello 00.42.38 Quit culture (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.42.40 # can someone please tell me what is LIKELY and UNLIKLY means on thread.c? 00.42.53 # I don't have it defined, and I don't know why... 00.44.27 Join kiddecks [0] (n=k@ip70-171-90-162.no.no.cox.net) 00.44.28 # casainho: it is for branch prediction optimisation. LIKELY means the conditional is likely to be true. 00.45.19 # Zagor: thanks :-) 00.45.34 # it is defined in system.h 00.45.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.45.54 # Zagor: ah, thanks - I will look at system.h then :-) 00.46.32 # i ran the battery down on my beast while it was in storage, can i charge it off the USB? 00.46.57 # i'm not sure who all was involved in talking about timing the scaler itself, sans loader, before, but it looks like ARM11 at least has some performance counter registers, that can be configured to count various things, including clock cycles. 00.50.03 # they can count all sorts of *other* events, as well, so it might be worthwhile to set up some debug stuff using them, that would make it easy to test certain pieces of code with logf messages 00.50.47 Quit ender` (" To get as fewest unhappy people as possible, always bully the same ones.") 00.50.49 # i guess i'll just leave it plugged into USB for a while and see if the low battery error goes away 00.51.15 # saratoga: my experience has been that it does not, but i've never tried it for very long. 00.54.39 # well worth a shot since i left the dc adapter on the other side of the country 00.55.13 # saratoga: The beast will charge from usb with a recent enough build (and if you don't run into the problem that I got...) 00.57.36 # (recent enough means >= r19547) 00.58.50 # is there a purpose to having the pcmbuf descriptors in the actual pcm buffer? 01.00.16 # ah, yes. the number of descriptors varies based of crossfeed settings. 01.01.53 # buf this explains why the buffer is never used more than ~60-70%. and also why the watermark is totally off. the "pcm buffer" contains loads of things besides just the pcm data to be played. 01.02.18 # the pcm watermark is rather a "critical mark" 01.02.27 Quit QUICKSTART (Remote closed the connection) 01.02.47 # since it is not used for triggering buffer fill. only for triggering cpu boost. 01.03.21 # saratoga: USB power alone isn't really sufficient if there's any disk activity (esp. spinups). 01.03.37 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 01.07.38 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-35-212.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 01.09.27 Quit Strife89 ("Dinner.") 01.09.28 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.09.34 Join kugel [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/kugel) 01.09.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 01.10.12 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 01.10.18 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.10.57 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 01.17.59 Quit MarcEE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.16 Join MarcEE [0] (n=a@marcellsworth.force9.co.uk) 01.18.52 # amiconn: I'm curious if retailos causes any difficulty trying to charge from USB for you. Also, here again the patch that makes USB charging optional (but still draws <= 100mA to help maintain the batt). http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigs-usb-charging-optional.diff 01.24.15 Join QUICKSTART [0] (n=QUICKSTA@pool-72-88-128-187.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 01.25.31 # saratoga: please tell me you live in a country smaller than the USA, canada, china, etc? ;) 01.26.03 # and last i checked, you can't get as far as the RB bootloader without a charged battery 01.27.44 # The F/X charger works if you have that. If you have one with proper tip, outputs 5V-5.5V, and 600mA or so it should work. 01.28.01 Quit anewuser (Client Quit) 01.32.18 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 01.32.43 # new watermark patch uploaded to FS#9703. feedback is welcome. 01.34.41 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 01.35.49 # svn mv doesn't do well with svn diff, does it? 01.36.50 # probably not, no. 01.38.10 # hm, I'd like to rename 2 files 01.38.24 # if I just delete and recreate the history gets lost, right? 01.39.29 # kugel: git might, and i stress the MIGHT, create better diffs in this case... but it doesn't track renames, only detects them. 01.43.06 # Unhelpful: iirc with svn mv you get the file renamed, but don't remove the old file 01.43.23 # I mean in the diff 01.44.01 # the diff looks like a new file was created with the target name, and no removal of a file with the old name 01.45.50 # Rockbox USB feels kind of sluggish for me on my PC (XP, connected to front ports currently) and it doesn't seem to like my microSDHC - got an error message once and now explorer claims that there is no device connected 01.49.53 # the one reason for me to try out now :\ 01.55.57 Quit kiddecks ("kiddecks has no reason") 01.57.18 Quit nevr ("Leaving") 02.00.05 # no difference with the card when using the backports, registering as a drive and displaying the content seems snappier there though. Didn't test copying 02.12.33 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 02.15.03 # kugel: ugh. really, the only way to get it to "work" right is probably at commit time. git has a binary, make-my-repo-look-like-his-repo patch format, if i recall... does svn? 02.17.10 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.26 # does anybody happen to know why i seem to get a data abort if i call logf on beast? i just realized that i have to figure *that* out before i can look into implementing this benchmarking stuff :/ 02.24.43 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4e5ad4e980741c9c) 02.28.02 Quit Slack_ (Connection timed out) 02.28.12 Join Barahir_ [0] (n=jonathan@Xcbb1.x.pppool.de) 02.28.46 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a2ffa0b3b90dc29) 02.32.02 # jhMikeS: ping 02.33.11 # does anyone feel strong about renaming USE_BACKLIGHT_SW_FADING to HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SW_FADING as suggested by Zagor? 02.34.08 Join Slack_ [0] (n=brett@12-218-63-169.client.mchsi.com) 02.44.27 Quit Barahir (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.45.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.45.44 Join psp [0] (n=63ef2331@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-06e0c9d4a55918d0) 02.45.52 # hello 02.46.06 Quit psp (Client Quit) 02.46.09 Join pspgamer [0] (n=63ef2331@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1e03ceaab84566a0) 02.46.09 Join homielowe [0] (n=ce748651@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b9f08b5f050f4107) 02.46.24 # hello 02.47.10 Quit pspgamer (Client Quit) 02.48.25 Join offset [0] (n=off@ool-44c0032d.dyn.optonline.net) 02.48.54 # Yay rockbox #1 http://lifehacker.com/5117895/top-10-ways-to-repurpose-your-old-ipod life hacker seems to love rockbox quite a bit ! 02.54.04 # hmm, I'd really like to fuse the backlight drivers for e200,c200,fuze,e200v2,sa9200 (probably c200v2), they're all entirely the same 02.54.11 # and only seperate the buttonlight part of them 02.54.53 Quit daurnimator ("Cyas later...") 02.55.47 Join daurnimator [0] (n=quae@ppp121-44-217-26.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) 02.58.19 Quit homielowe ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") 02.58.30 Join onlysoaa [0] (n=Soaa@dsl-136-44.aei.ca) 02.58.48 # What's up guys, I'm starting a Samsung P2 port for Rockbox. 02.59.23 # Looking through the wiki, I'm currently editing the configure script, but I don't understand that "tool" parameter. 02.59.45 # Some players use cp, some others use scramble -add=model 02.59.58 # What's the difference, why's that? 03.01.31 # onlysoaa: depends on the firmware format your player accepts 03.01.51 # Since the P2 and the D2 are fairly similar, I was thinking of starting off with the D2's code as a base, then modifying it to suit the P2's hardware. 03.02.06 # some player need a special format (e.g. mi4 file format), others can use plain rockbox header+binary 03.02.22 # yep, that's probably the best to do 03.02.46 # those who use plain binary are those with "scramble -add=model" 03.02.52 # Ahh. Well the P2 takes a simple binary, but now I'm confused as to what I should do about the -add=X parameter in scramble. 03.02.58 Quit Aurix_Lexico (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.03.21 # Looking through scramble.c, it seems that it assigns each target a modelnum, but does it matter what number the P2 gets? 03.03.33 # Should I just add it at the bottom and use the previous one +1? 03.04.04 # onlysoaa: there's the 4-char model string which will be in the rockbox header of the resulting binary 03.04.45 # you can choose what you like (should be something indicating samsung p2), but you also need to edit tools/scramble.c accordingly 03.05.34 # Ah, I see. It doesn't affect the firmware in any way though, right? 03.05.38 # onlysoaa: I have actually no idea what modelnum is used for, in the config-.h there's another model id define which is more used 03.05.46 # Just for identification purposes? 03.05.54 # but the c200v2 is the latest added, so take that one +1 03.05.55 # .....that's consistent. :D 03.07.48 # onlysoaa: I strongly recommend looking at recent "initial port" commits, those are a great reference about what has to be done to integrate a port into the rockbox tree 03.08.18 # Ah, thanks for the tip. 03.08.20 # like this only r19574 03.08.32 # one* 03.08.35 # I get the thing about scramble -add now though. Just had to look a bit more. 03.09.25 Join Hargo [0] (n=stephen@h127.75.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.09.38 # Aloha. 03.09.43 # Be back in a bit. 03.10.07 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.10.15 # I recently got my hands on a Sansa Fuze - a neat little gadget, but it doesn't play nice with Ubuntu. 03.10.45 # Rockbox apparently has a firmware for a few other Sansa devices, so I was wondering if there was a release planned for the Fuze. 03.14.02 Quit MarcEE () 03.14.26 # fuze is in development. i don't think those playing with it would call it usable. 03.15.43 # Ah. I've been hunting the interwebs, but haven't really been able to find anything anywhere else as to a firmware replacement for it - do you know of anything other than Rockbox that'll work with the Fuze? 03.16.43 # Or some way to interface with the thing without replacing the firmware, or having to fiddle around in the Terminal... 03.20.38 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.22.16 # ...it uses MSC, doesn't it? or offers it as an option, at least? 03.22.26 # Hargo: I think Rockbox is the only project of its kind. 03.22.42 # MSC? 03.24.09 # Hargo, settings -> usb mode.. you need MSC mode.. but this is getting offtopic 03.24.35 Join nosa-J [0] (n=nosa-J@adsl-235-26-83.clt.bellsouth.net) 03.25.11 # how is the nano 2nd gen 8gig rockbox port comeing along? 03.25.28 # Yes, it does indeed - managed to figure that out last night, reading on ways to actually get the thing to mount. I was able to mount it, and load a few mp3s onto it (they play), but setting up playlists, changing information on songs, navigating through them... 03.25.37 # its pretty new ipod so i dont think much is done 03.25.50 # got one fro chrismas :) 03.26.56 # apple's firmware run my batter life out bc u can't complety shut the pod down 03.28.19 # Hargo, since it is not supported by rockbox, you need to join #rockbox-community or #anythingbutipod and we can see what we can do about those things 03.28.40 # Which would you advise? 03.28.57 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 03.29.05 # Hargo, either one if you want 03.29.19 # Righto, thank you. 03.29.23 # * Hargo tips his hat. 03.29.25 Part Hargo 03.29.27 # lol 03.30.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.30.39 Nick fxb__ is now known as _fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.35.10 Quit DerDome (Nick collision from services.) 03.35.13 Join DerDome1 [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-212-071.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.35.23 Nick DerDome1 is now known as DerDome (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-212-071.pools.arcor-ip.net) 03.36.48 Quit QUICKSTART (Remote closed the connection) 03.45.44 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 03.51.13 # guys any one know any thing about the nano 4th gen port? 03.51.21 # about how its comeing? 03.53.10 # nosa-J: It doesn't exist, at all 03.54.08 # well are thay about the break the encryptions on the chip maby b/c i got a useless pod, i gota use my spare 03.54.18 # my old 1st gen nano 03.55.10 # The encryption will probably never be broken. 03.55.30 Join QUICKSTART [0] (n=QUICKSTA@pool-72-88-128-187.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 03.56.03 # nosa-J: Nobody is working on it, because nobody who actually owns the player has started working on it. 03.57.18 Join toffe82_ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-135-35-212.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 03.57.18 # hmm 03.57.49 # well i guss im sending it back to apple 03.57.57 # its got my name engraved on it too lol 03.58.12 # i sware apple and ther hardware 03.58.41 # thay make pretty durable players sad thay so effy about allowing mods 03.59.20 # i mean i could work on it but what do i know 03.59.48 # im pretty good at moding tho i hacked my psp and run homebrew on my wii 04.00.03 # but its all premade stuff 04.06.26 Join tyfoo2 [0] (n=tyfoo@dyndsl-095-033-089-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 04.08.28 # hmm wonder if apple will take it back 04.08.56 # thanks for the info guys 04.09.27 Quit tyfoo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.15.32 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.17.16 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@S0106001ee57a9819.ed.shawcable.net) 04.21.12 Quit QUICKSTART (Remote closed the connection) 04.25.16 Join webguest18 [0] (n=5c16a453@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-629303c6b88718af) 04.25.38 Join daurn [0] (n=quae@ppp118-208-144-166.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) 04.26.23 # guys im on my ipod 5th gen here, andwhen i create a databaslese, it find thousands of fi 04.26.27 # but hten it seems to just crash 04.26.33 # any reaso n for this 04.32.36 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.33.01 # webguest18: usually that means you have a corrupted file that crashed the tag parser 04.33.57 Join Barahir [0] (n=jonathan@Xadeb.x.pppool.de) 04.34.03 # also my beast definately did not charge off of USB 04.36.55 # itsas if the player shuts dowwwn tho 04.36.59 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.19 # what can i do? 04.38.38 Quit mud-rb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.38.56 Quit webguest18 ("CGI:IRC") 04.39.21 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.42.27 Join mud-rb [0] (n=mud@cpe-24-93-17-195.rochester.res.rr.com) 04.42.51 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0bd5f51ac4847c9b) 04.45.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.49.05 # saratoga: sorry to hear that, but i was pretty sure it needed to actually boot either retailOS or RB for that to work :/ 04.50.07 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Remote closed the connection) 04.50.44 Quit Barahir_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.53.23 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.56.58 # Unhelpful: yeah I made sure to bring the USB cable for it, figured i could charge off of that 04.57.53 # the retailOS boot sequence does a *lot* of stuff before the "real" firmware loads, but unfortunately, it doesn't do USB charging. 04.58.44 # but it will repartition and format the drive, and ask for you to load a firmware, if pretty much anything isn't right. :/ 05.01.09 # saratoga: are you using windows + charging only? 05.01.50 # jhMikeS: i'm using windows, but I can't boot it without a charger 05.04.16 # ah, if you can't get it that far it won't draw from USB until software is able to turn it on anyway. 05.07.47 # If you have any other 5V adapters, you could just rig something to get into the safe range. Just be sure polarity is right. :) 05.08.33 # 5v is easy enough but i have nothing with the right connector 05.10.15 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 05.11.01 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.38.135) 05.13.59 # could even put the battery into another device for a bit if the connector matches 05.15.14 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.23.54 # saratoga: I think it charge, but if the battery is completely discharge, it take a long time and you shoud have a white screen going on and off 05.26.21 # i gave it a couple hours 05.26.37 # it still gives the low battery screen when i try to turn it on 05.26.59 # is it normal for wps's that worked under earlier versions (pre-3.0) to fail under 3.1? Trying to get the Cabbie theme running. 05.27.20 # yeah the wps syntax was changed about 6 months back 05.28.03 # how hard would it be for someone unfamiliar with the syntax to update theme to the new syntax? 05.28.18 # i think its supposed to be pretty easy to change 05.29.17 # saratoga: just one silly thing, the switch is on ? ;) 05.29.48 # yes, otherwise the low battery screen would be pretty hard to get 05.30.02 # :) 05.31.58 # saratoga: Conduct a hearing of how the owner has been using the unit. If he or she is suspected of having repeated at least 500 recharge-discharge operations, the battery life may expire. Replace the lithium ion battery. 05.32.10 # form the service manual 05.32.15 # from ^^ 05.32.33 # the battery works i just left it sitting for 6 months and it discharged 05.33.49 # the switch was off during the six month ? 05.34.08 # no on 05.36.08 # not good 05.37.26 # i don't suppose theres a dump of the firmware partition online somewhere? 05.37.40 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 05.38.26 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.38.135) 05.38.33 # in the user manual, they said that if the battery discharge completely, it cannot be charged by usb 05.42.02 # good night 05.42.06 Part toffe82_ 05.42.25 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 05.43.00 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.38.135) 05.44.08 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.51.08 Join pixelma_ [0] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 05.52.45 Quit pixelma (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.59.14 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 06.07.22 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 06.07.25 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.18.01 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 06.24.22 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.38.30 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Ex-Chat") 06.45.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.54.53 Join CheBuzz [0] (n=CheBuzz@13-46.li.cytanet.com.cy) 06.56.16 Join labradork [0] (n=labrador@c220-237-140-12.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.56.39 # I have read that the Sansa e200 had a bug in the bootloader that allowed for a dummy signature to be used to load Rockbox. What I can't find is info on this "dummy signature". Anybody know the nature of the bug? 06.56.51 # Or where I can find out more about it? 06.58.24 # Hi, does anyone know how I can roll my version of rockbox back to 3.0? 06.58.46 # CheBuzz: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 06.59.24 # labradork: why would you want to?...and do it the same way as you would update a build...extract the 3.0 zip to the root 06.59.41 # I've seen that. It doesn't explain _why_ the dummy sig works, nor what the bug is 07.00.25 # "which is a fixed combination that is a known flaw in the DSA algorithm" 07.00.27 # CheBuzz: bottom of the page.. 07.01.06 # Do they use something like a bleichenbacher attack? 07.02.03 # well, I bought my friend an mp3 player, same as mine, but her menus are different, 3.1 didn't change the menu structure much did it? 07.02.54 # CheBuzz: no...it is just a dummy signature... 07.03.11 # when I extract the files aren't landing in the .rockbox folder. 07.04.19 # Well, obviously it must be some "special" dummy signature, otherwise it wouldn't verify. How do they get it to verify, what's the bug in the DSA algorithm? That's my question. 07.10.32 # yay! thanks for listening to my prattle. i think it works now. 07.10.38 # * labradork blows kisses and departs 07.10.40 Quit labradork () 07.13.05 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 07.14.16 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.38.135) 07.32.04 Quit onlysoaa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.46.13 Join {}zombie [0] (n=chatzill@d-199-215-37.bootp.Virginia.EDU) 07.46.41 # <{}zombie> after upgrading sansa firmware, rockbox no longer boots 07.46.58 # you have to reinstall the bootloader 07.47.24 # <{}zombie> can't i just drag the .rockbox folder into my sansa? 07.47.35 # <{}zombie> manually 07.48.21 # <{}zombie> i tried using the installer, but couldn't get it to work (ubuntu) 07.49.04 # the bootloader, not the .rockbox folder 07.49.16 # the installer should do it, but if it isn't, sansapatcher should work just fine 07.49.31 # <{}zombie> ok, i'll look for sansa patcher, ty 07.49.39 # it's linked from the manual 07.51.51 Quit atrus () 07.53.18 Join bugonshoe [0] (n=syflom@202.76.159.4.dynamic.rev.eftel.com) 07.53.38 # guys, how can i get cover art on my rockbox 07.53.53 # i'm using the stock theme cabbie 07.57.06 # <{}zombie> i found sansapatcher, but don't know what to do with it 07.57.14 # <{}zombie> nothing happens when i double-click it 07.57.34 # <{}zombie> and putting it on the sansa and rebooting does nothing either 07.57.44 # is it a command line app 07.57.57 # <{}zombie> tried that and nothing 07.59.41 Join fredddy [0] (n=freddy@p3E9E068A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.00.39 # is it true only bmp cover art files are supported? 08.01.33 # <{}zombie> i think one of my problems is that it automounts at /media/Sansa e260R... and the space in the path is messing up ubuntu 08.02.42 # well maybe you can rename it 08.04.04 # <{}zombie> i think so, but i don't know how... can't rename when in use, and after unmount... it disappears 08.07.26 Part CheBuzz ("Leaving") 08.09.09 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0e8e04b357cc5693) 08.15.02 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE38C.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.17.26 Quit mud-rb (Remote closed the connection) 08.25.54 Join film42 [0] (n=GT@ip68-96-68-104.oc.oc.cox.net) 08.26.12 # anyone around? 08.26.59 # yes 08.27.18 # no 08.27.50 # Im just wondering.. how long do you think it would take for someone to find a rockbox guide, download all the files needed and install to have perfectly running 08.28.21 # couple minutes for most targets 08.28.31 # for someone new 08.28.40 # like.. once to try for the first time 08.28.52 # *wants 08.29.14 # if you find out let us know 08.29.20 # lol 08.30.00 # somoen is saying.. it took him 5min to go from scratch to finish is first time.. to read the review, get hisfiles, install them and have it perfectly running 08.30.25 # does that sound right? 08.30.30 # sure why not 08.32.48 # idk,seems really short for someones first time at installing.. heard about 08.32.53 # new it played flac 08.33.22 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.33.52 # 5well, rockbox utility is virtually idiot-proof 08.35.01 # to read the guide, find the release, download, install? 08.35.18 # 15min it seems would be more appropriate 08.35.25 # onan ipod 08.35.37 # effing spacebar is broken :( 08.35.51 # but 5min 08.36.07 # film42: if you just want to chat, try rockbox-community, rather then the development channel 08.36.28 # imjust asking a question 08.36.49 # i just looking for an answer 08.36.52 # thats all 08.37.13 # meh,imnot trying to be mean 08.37.18 # illgot to-community 08.37.28 # sorry for distrubing the peace 08.38.23 # it probably varies significantly depending on your connection speed. If you're connecting with a 40 gbps connection, it'll be faster than if you are using a 300 baud modem. 08.41.36 # lol, dsl line 08.45.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.51.57 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.54.22 Join saratoga [0] (n=62e14d04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-84ce0f898df0f3cb) 08.56.43 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.58.20 Quit XavierGr () 08.58.35 # Unhelpful: Is there a reason why pictureflow_emptyslide.bmp is stored as 24 bit even though it's pure greyscale? Imo it should be stored as 8 bit bmp 09.00.52 # I've added a new viewer to SOURCEs and the viewers file in the plugins folder, but it doesn't seem to end up in the build, do I have to add it somewhere else? 09.02.11 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 09.02.33 # Probably apps/plugins/CATEGORIES 09.09.26 Quit nosa-J (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.01 Join Slack__ [0] (n=brett@12-218-63-169.client.mchsi.com) 09.24.31 Quit Slack_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.25.31 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") 09.27.08 Quit J-23 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.29.01 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@58.192.39.1) 09.38.04 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.47.39 Quit Darksair ("Use the Force, Luke!") 10.02.10 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 10.04.31 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 10.25.12 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 10.37.17 Join mud-rb [0] (n=mud@24.93.17.195) 10.39.18 Join J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 10.43.17 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-160-169.dsl.telepac.pt) 10.43.39 # hello :-) 10.43.49 # I would like to ask some question 10.44.27 # would be possible if I create patches for RB source and post that patches on another SVN on code.google? 10.45.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.47.51 # like here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/rockbox_port 10.48.12 # would the .svn dirs give problems with .svn dirs from RB? 10.56.38 # I'm reading some comments on an article on lifehacker about rockbox. Apparently some people are not happy with rockbox and choose to uninstall it. 10.58.01 # I think it would be useful to understand why people are not happy with it, or make a top-10 of reasons why people uninstall rockbox, so we can use that to improve it. 11.00.36 # of course, you can't please all the people all the time, but perhaps we could for example add a dialog box in rbutil on uninstallation where people can (voluntarily) mention their reason for uninstalling 11.02.37 Join bs66_ [0] (n=sysuser@79.138.218.193.bredband.tre.se) 11.06.30 # i'm trying to install rockbox, but installer complains about "missing mingwm10.dll" how can i soolve that? 11.07.07 # bs66_: get the dll from here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9711?project=1&type=2&order=dateopened&sort=desc&order2=&sort2= 11.07.20 # thanks! 11.07.20 # and place it in the dir you are runnnig rbutil from 11.10.58 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 11.12.15 # * n1s spots a minor thing in the website, the manuals page explicitly mentiones 3.0 at the top, that should probably be changed but to what? 11.13.11 # oh, and 3.0 is missing from the old releases archive (and that shoudl IMHO also have the manuals) 11.14.34 # ... and bootlloaders/patchers etc maybe? 11.17.09 Join bluebrother [0] (n=bluebrot@mercurius.olymp.visitor.congress.ccc.de) 11.24.50 # * n1s sees that no Bagder is present today... 11.30.40 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust394.brig.cable.ntl.com) 11.32.24 Join Darksair [0] (n=user@58.192.38.159) 11.36.05 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.36.20 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust202.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 11.41.49 # gevaerts: not sure if you read logs but a short follow-up on my Rockbox USB experience on XP - the trouble with the microSDHC seems to be gone now after a reboot but it only works correctly on the PC's backports 11.47.32 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 11.50.42 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 11.50.48 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.51.03 Join abo_ [0] (n=abo@rm-ddb-1ef24.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 12.00.09 # * n1s points Bagder to 11:12 in today's log 12.04.42 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-244-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.06.14 # pixelma: thanks. The backports thing is the usual unsolved issue, but the microSDHC one is interesting. Was the card readable from rockbox? Also, did you reboot the PC or the sansa? 12.10.28 # yes, card was readable from Rockbox. First I tried rebooting the Sansa, then got the impression that USB is a bit confused on my system because copying something to the also connected USB hard drive took longer than expected, I rebooted the PC. After that I could access the card (first try on front port gave me an error message first but still connected after a while, copying was slooow). Then connected to a backport today and it seems to work, al 12.10.28 # ok speed 12.11.06 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p57B4CDCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.11.36 # sorry for the long line(s) 12.13.24 # OK, if rebooting the PC side helped but rebooting the sansa didn't, I'm not going to worry about it too much 12.14.56 # I wonder though why it would confuse USB on the system this much though as it never happened with the OF 12.17.26 # I think it's time to start worrying if it happens again. 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I'd rather use a music management app like songbird or banshee to sync things up. Is this possible? 15.57.08 # Do you want to have the same folder structure/obfuscated filenames that iTunes uses? 15.59.02 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 15.59.16 Quit wpyh (Remote closed the connection) 15.59.49 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@125.163.88.253) 16.00.19 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.35 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180071184.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.03.28 # anyone interested in FS#9093 and FS#9456? 16.05.43 # i dont know about wanting what itunes uses. I just know that itunes ignores the folder structure and sorts everything by the musical meta data. 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So on a non-AA target this function would need to reside in the PF plugin, with no other changes necessary 17.49.22 # <{}zombie> actually, it says "command not found" unless i do gksudo, and then nothing happens 17.50.07 # {}zombie: you need to run it as "sudo ./rbutil". The current directory is not in your path... 17.50.12 # <{}zombie> ah 17.50.38 # * gartral1 keeps forgetting about the path macro he has 17.51.08 # <{}zombie> heh, ok, progress maybe... but now it says no sansa found 17.51.34 # Are you sure it's a v1 sansa? 17.51.36 Join webguest33 [0] (n=55000832@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-2dd4d43464e96883) 17.51.48 # <{}zombie> it's v1, but it is a e260R 17.51.53 # ohhh 17.51.55 # Imo it would be A Good Thing™ if PF would be able to (optionally) run without DB support though 17.51.59 # <{}zombie> tell me this doesn't work with R... 17.52.00 # here, on sec 17.52.38 # It does, but rbutil doesn't do the R, so you need to do a manual install 17.52.44 # its not that it doesnt wwork, its just that the first time installation is a little different 17.52.48 # <{}zombie> ok 17.52.56 # <{}zombie> well this actually isn't a first install 17.53.10 # <{}zombie> but i updated the sansa fw, and now rockbox will not boot 17.53.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation 17.53.47 Quit webguest33 (Client Quit) 17.54.02 # oops, ment to pm that 17.54.24 # gatral1: No harm done, really. 17.54.26 # <{}zombie> np, thanks gartral1 i'll do this now 17.54.43 # * LambdaCalculus37 slaps his tab key 17.55.38 # so, how should i classify my error? 17.56.20 Join webguest68 [0] (n=47c7996d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb52dcf062b1c64d) 17.56.26 # hey guys 17.56.39 # will there ever been a rockbox for sansa fuze 17.57.40 # too my knowledge there still working on the AMS cores... so no v2s or "named" sansas as of yet 17.58.19 # There's some partial work done, but it's not ready for everyday use yet. 17.58.46 # ahh, so there close now? 17.59.23 # LCD, sound, and buttons mostly work, but there's some issues with accessing the storage on the Fuze. 17.59.43 # The Clip and e200v2 are the furthest along IIRC. 18.00.06 # There are some pages with information here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view 18.00.12 # <{}zombie> unfortunately, the link for e200rpatcher.linux is broken/missing 18.00.49 # hmm, {}zombie: miniZ? 18.01.07 # <{}zombie> ... what? 18.01.11 Join anewuser [0] (i=anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 18.01.54 # hold on 18.02.02 # <{}zombie> nvm, i found a link 18.03.14 # <{}zombie> k, i've got it running now bbiab 18.04.03 # ok, the tool i was thinking of no longer exists 18.04.57 # amiconn: and then it would still depend on tagcache, i believe? that's probably reasonable. 18.05.58 # ok, ill just file what i hae as is and see how it goes 18.06.38 # Unhelpful: tagcache = original name of the database 18.08.00 # ok, FS#9726 is my error 18.11.28 # amiconn: bitmaps are converted. i think moving AA search into PF if AA is disabled, and only requiring tagcache, is the way to go. i'll try to look at doing that later. 18.12.49 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 18.17.30 # <{}zombie> gartral1: thanks very much for your help, everything is working fine now 18.18.06 # ahh, your welcome, glad im actually the one helping now 18.24.37 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") 18.35.39 Quit stoffel_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.37.30 Quit Schmogel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.45 Join Schmogel [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE2218E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.42.51 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.43.53 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 18.46.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.57 Part gartral1 18.55.48 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.11.57 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8bf111517fcd178a) 19.19.46 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p57B4CDCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.12 Join karashata [0] (n=karashat@69.41.192.215) 19.23.33 Join gartral1 [0] (n=Gareth@75.33.78.225) 19.25.36 Quit Horschti (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.27.15 # i should note that pictureflow does not render the song info on the e200s 19.29.15 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.31.56 # gartral1: which "song info"? 19.32.59 # title, time, whatever pictureflow was supposed to render 19.33.50 # pictureflow renders album titles, and, if you select an album, a list of track titles. let me make sure all of that works on my e200... 19.35.44 # ohh, nvm, i wasnt understanding a screenshot, my fault, but, i did find out pictureflow has no entry in the manual 19.36.03 # at lleast for e200s 19.36.46 # it has a wiki entry, i believe, but i think you're right about the manual 19.38.49 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-4399031.home.otenet.gr) 19.39.44 # the wiki entry is also outdated 19.46.17 Quit stoffel_ ("leaving") 19.47.28 Quit J-23 ("ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net") 19.51.27 Join J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 20.05.27 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.07.11 # amiconn: i understand there are some other files that are already build in plugins or in the pluginlib as well as in core? would it maybe be best to make the relevant parts of albumart.c available in that fashion, when building without it? the same would probably also apply for the bmp loader, which can't really support the scaler on mono targets without making core larger 20.09.29 Quit anewuser (Client Quit) 20.11.20 Quit axionix (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.12.38 Join culture [0] (n=none@cpc1-bele3-0-0-cust658.belf.cable.ntl.com) 20.13.09 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.18.35 # I can't seem to get bookmarking working. I have "Bookmark on Stop"=yes, "Load Last Bookmark"=ask, and "Maintain a List of Recent Bookmarks"=yes, but it acts like i have no bookmarks. 20.18.42 # I've tried creating bookmarks from the wps context menu, but it doesn't seem to do anything 20.18.48 # btw im using an e260 with rb 3.1 20.21.34 # do you play (choose) the music from the database or the file browser 20.21.37 # ? 20.22.17 # I think I tried both, but i definitely tried from the database. 20.22.25 # * offset tries from the file browser 20.23.15 # It worked from the file browser 20.23.46 # but its not working from the database. Is that normal? 20.24.23 # currently yes, I think. Unfortunately 20.25.12 # random folder advance doesn't work if you play from the database, either... i think a random album advance would be nice to have, but i don't know the DB, and i'm not sure i want to. 20.26.21 # pixelma: thanks for the help, it was driving me a little nuts. I just have to remember to start my audiobooks from the file browser from now on. 20.28.30 # you're welcome. 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And again, I really oriented myself on how it's done with the CONFIG_CHARGING 21.33.29 # I don't mind changing it, you know how such things are supposed to be better, and I don't feel so strong about it 21.34.11 # Unhelpful: Currently I only know of a single files in the core tree (which isn't even used in the core) that is used in plugins: sscanf 21.34.39 # You're right about the bmp loader & scaler, that would need to reside in the pluginlib as well on mono targets 21.34.51 # Do you know how much ram PF needs at least? 21.35.49 # * amiconn wonders why the tracker is so slooooow 21.36.05 # kugel: the big difference is that CONFIG_CHARGING has three alternatives and therefore cannot use a bool style define. 21.36.13 # amiconn: it's not slow for me 21.36.25 # amiconn: enough for a screen-sized greylib overlay, and enough to load the bitmaps... that's (h/2) * (h*2/3) + (h/2*3) for scaled output on greylib 21.36.50 # the bitmap loading space currently comes from the plugin buffer, and is "freed" before greylib init 21.37.26 # Hmm, so the requirements are pretty low for bigmem targets. Then why does PF need to stop playback? 21.37.36 # Zagor: just so that we're clear, I was never against changing it, I just wanted to point out why I did it this way :) Of course I'm gonna change it as soon as I have time 21.37.47 # * amiconn guesses that 'h' means the configured tile height 21.38.02 # kugel: ok 21.38.15 # amiconn: LCD height, actually. 21.39.02 # tile height is LCD_HEIGHT*2/3, width is LCD_HEIGHT/2 21.39.26 # tracker was slow for me the last days too (from another connection...), didn't notice anything today 21.39.29 # kugel: merging the AMS backlight drivers sounds like a good thing if they're all the same 21.39.43 # Zagor: not only ams 21.39.56 # actually, that should be (h/2)*(h*2/3)+(h/2*12) 21.40.12 # kugel: oh right 21.40.15 # Zagor: it seems to me like a "backlight-as3514" thing 21.40.24 # i forgot to account for the scaler temp data being 32-bit :/ 21.40.45 # Yeah, but still... 21.41.06 # That's just a few KB, and the plugin buffer is 512KB on bigmem targets 21.41.30 # amiconn: probably because it loads some cached album arts 21.41.44 # which were also noticeable bigger than the source album art due to the reflections 21.41.44 # PF doesn't stop playback, but it does use bufalloc for loading the cached cover art. that should probably be changed to using what's left of the plugin buffer, if possible. 21.42.03 # kugel: reflections are gone, now ;) 21.42.29 # Unhelpful: yea, that's why I used "were" ;) We already talked about putting it all into the plugin buffer 21.42.42 # it sounds reasonable to me with the smaller cache files to me 21.42.45 # right, "were" :D 21.43.14 # if we retain space for one scaled load, i think it *might* be reasonable to talk about cache-on-demand 21.43.57 # * amiconn is asking because of 2 things. 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(2) how feasible PF would be on low-mem targets (obviously stopping playback would be required on those) 21.44.09 # Unhelpful: don't you think loading and resizing 20 or so covers all the time won't be noticeably slow? 21.45.22 # kugel: The cache file could still hold all pre-scaled, pre-converted images, just that it would need to be loaded in chunks instead of all-at-once 21.45.24 # kugel: let me clarify a bit. cache-on-demand, not load-from-original-on-demand. ie, we skip cache building at startup, try to load from the cache, and scale from the source file if the cache misses. 21.45.40 # ah right 21.45.54 # but I think the one-time caching doesn't hurt so much 21.46.17 Join B4gder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 21.46.54 # Zagor: I won't mess with svn mv and svn diff though, as they don't play well together 21.47.19 # kugel: yes, but it would do a lot to take the sting out of having some settings invalidate the cache. ie, you switch resize, it takes a few seconds to load the nearest pics, and it will take a few second to load pics when you scroll 21.48.03 # kugel: right, that is a limitation with patches 21.48.34 # Unhelpful: wouldn't that also cause disk-spinups and downs while browsing through covers? That would slow it down even more 21.49.17 # but that might be already at its current implementation when I think about it 21.50.12 # kugel: those already happen, the disk can spin down, and will spin up again when you browse again, to load more cache images. 21.50.28 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 21.50.35 # yeah, I noticed 21.51.12 # amiconn: how big is the plugin buffer on the lowmem mono targets that we're talking about bringing pf to? 21.53.27 Part QUICKSTART ("Konversation terminated!") 21.54.34 # Unhelpful: Lowest is 32KB, so there's really not enough space to fit in all the buffer 21.54.40 # +s 21.55.00 # the pictureflow plugin itself, linked, is ~25KB on ARM 21.55.21 # i'd have to do a lot just to get it to *compile* on SH, i suspect :/ 21.57.47 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.57.53 # I don't think it'll need much 21.58.11 # Main problems are (1) scaling and (2) aa support in pluginlib 21.58.30 # This also applies to the m:robe 100 21.58.35 # i can fake the scaling easily enough ;) 21.58.50 # (which is bigmem but mono) 21.58.54 # i wonder, perhaps, if we ought to skew the luma calc in brightness() a bit on mrobe? 21.59.05 # mono inverted 21.59.47 # Unhelpful: why? 22.00.41 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.01.34 # because of the deviation from "grey" of the display - it's red/black monochrome, and the covers might look a little more "true" if we weight a little more in favor of red when processing the input. 22.02.29 # hmm 22.02.50 # I'm not sure - most of our grey/mono targets have non-white backlight 22.03.09 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.03.11 # Archos is (originally) green, but several people have modded it (red, white) 22.03.32 # The Ondio is light blue, if backlight modded (EL backlight) 22.03.44 # ive seen purple backlit ipods 22.04.03 # H1x0 is blueish, as is M5. M3 is light blue, m:robe 100 is red 22.04.12 # iPods are usually white(ish) 22.04.29 # ish... but fairly blue/green, if the sim colors are accurate. 22.04.40 # They aren't 22.04.45 # well yea, the guy replaced a blue led with a red one, lol 22.04.51 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.05.36 # the sim was designed to represent the color of the LCD, not backlight 22.05.54 # The m:robe sim colours are pretty bad, actually. All other grey/mono targets use pure black for black, the m:robe sim used dark red, probably to make it look more similar to the real target 22.06.41 # However, this leads to the impression of a very low contrast, due to the different characteristics of PC screens and target lcds 22.06.46 # yea, and general color representation isnt right for color targets either 22.07.38 # colors are compiled in 16 bit, then displayed in 24 bit in the sims it seems 22.08.07 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.08.11 # gartral1: we only shift them left in the sim, too - they're not scaled *quite* correctly to 24bit 22.09.52 # Unhelpful: could you be more specific? im not up on dev-speak 22.10.36 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 22.11.29 # the 16->24bit conversion is not quite correct. the 5-bit R and B channels should be converted to 8 bits as (c<<3)|(c>>2) 22.11.48 # the 6-bit green channel should be (c<<2)|(c>>4) 22.11.50 # hmm? 22.12.02 # The sim uses a 16 bit SDL surface afaics 22.12.22 # amiconn: huh, so SDL is where things are being done wrong? 22.12.29 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 22.12.35 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.12.40 # I don't know of anything done wrong... 22.13.17 # on my system, at least, white in sim comes out as (248,252,248) 22.15.25 # * karashata checks, gets the same results 22.15.41 # the shift/or versions i described are what the bitmap loader uses. they approximate (c*255)/31 and (c*255)/64 22.15.42 # Hmm, it does that here too. Never noticed before 22.15.54 # But yeah, it looks like this is all SDL's fault 22.17.22 Nick amiconn is now known as amiconn__ (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.17.33 Nick amiconn__ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.17.38 # sim_lcd_init() creates a 16 bit surface for 16 bit sims, and then get_lcd_pixel() just returns data from lcd_framebuffer (byte swapped for targets with RGB565SWAPPED) 22.18.52 Quit CaptainKwel ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.34.40 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.34.41 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.27 Join at0m [0] (n=a548c80b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d5d01124357367a) 22.35.45 # Zagor: lets wait for jhMikeS answer before I change that stuff 22.36.23 # kugel: sure, no hurry 22.38.58 # AA optimisation question: when encoding a bitmap file, what the best DPI and color range to use, ive been using 16 bit 5-6-5 at 72 - 100 dpi 22.38.58 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 22.39.08 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 22.39.13 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 22.39.21 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 22.39.42 Quit parafin (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.41.45 # I don't think the DPI matters except for printing purposes 22.42.03 # can BMP even save DPI? 22.42.30 # idk... its just what gimp says it can do... 22.43.00 # Unhelpful: Btw, if code + bss don't fit in the plugin buffer on SH1, there's still the overlay loader solution. Doesn't matter much since we need to stop playback anyway. 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Pare. 22.54.09 # looks like I don't have the "button-target.h" file, however I have it! where could be the problem? 22.55.32 # casainho: your spanish locale isn't making it easy for us 22.55.41 # check the deps file for the exact paths used 22.55.58 # Zagor: sorry :-) 22.56.15 # B4gder: deps file?? don't know what you mean 22.56.25 # dependcies 22.56.26 # B4gder: I have one important question for you 22.56.37 # casainho: are you at all up-to-date with rockbox source code? 22.56.42 # dependencies* 22.56.57 # B4gder: yes, I cheked out today 22.57.26 # so, your at r19612, like most of us? 22.57.56 Join Sir_Lewk [0] (n=jlg95@tux64-01.cs.drexel.edu) 22.58.00 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 22.58.06 # B4gder: I am thinking in doing, checout Rockbox source, add Rockbox Player port files and make a patch file, after, put that patch on our code.google svn, so we just have on code.google the patch against the Rockbox source, can this work? what is your opinioun? 22.58.08 # * Sir_Lewk waves to _Auron_ 22.58.42 # I'd suggest you also post that patch in our patch tracker, to start getting feedback from other rockbox hackers 22.59.04 # B4gder: for sure, I will do it, will be the same patch file ;-) 22.59.51 # B4gder: I have now the kernel_init() ok :-) and my problems before where on linker script, wrong address of VMA for vectors section 23.00.28 # so, how do I check the dependencies file? 23.00.48 # casainho: open make.dep in your text editor 23.01.55 Quit offset (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.02.38 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180071184.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.04.13 # here is thatfile : http://pastebin.com/m32831ce2 23.04.32 # however I can't understand it... there are a few references to button-target.h? 23.04.35 # why? 23.05.13 # but with no path 23.05.38 # casainho: where in your source tree do you have that file? 23.06.09 # Zagor: /home/cas/Documentos/rockbox_player/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle 23.06.34 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hillshum) 23.06.46 # ah, ok, no path as the others... hmmm, why? :-) 23.06.59 # casainho: because the dependency generator couldn't find the file 23.07.18 # which probably is because it didn't get the path to it set right or similar 23.07.41 # so, I do I set the path to that file? 23.07.55 # I am running as root... 23.08.22 # uh, you shouldn't run anything like this as root, but that's not what the problem is here 23.08.22 # casainho: your tools/configure must create Makefile with TARGET_INC set correctly, pointing out that directory 23.10.23 # * kugel wonders if Casainho has set model, manufacture and architecture properly in configure 23.12.01 # I think I did it correctly, here is my file: http://pastebin.com/m66118e39 -- model 999 23.12.43 # Casainho: it says "rockboxplayer-little", your path is "rockboxplayerlittle" 23.13.24 # kugel: eheh :-) thank you :-) 23.13.39 # * B4gder polishes kugel's "sharp-eyed" badge 23.13.51 # :) 23.14.44 # * kugel should've waited to see how long others need to notice it :P 23.15.08 # casainho: another thing. could you come up with another name for your target? we already have a target called "player" and people get confused when yours is called the same. 23.15.30 # and we're all "rockbox"... 23.15.57 # well, I don't have another idea 23.16.53 # Casainho: you started the project, you can choose any name you like (but you should ask your partners) 23.18.04 # yes, I will do it, ask them 23.18.13 # does anyone have some idea? 23.18.53 # not really 23.19.06 # sounds like something to ask in the forums :) 23.19.23 # orpheus 23.19.45 # Zagor: why orpheus? 23.19.50 # haha 23.20.02 # Zagor: we could vote :P 23.20.20 # actual Rockbox Player is an Free/Open hardware/firmware audio and recorder for Rockbox 23.20.34 # casainho: orhpeus is a person (son of a god) from old greek mythology. "The father of songs" 23.20.50 # hmmm... sounds good then ;-) 23.20.51 # also rockbox was originally voted to be called Orpheus 23.21.10 # maybe a name of some animal, like on Linux world.... 23.21.51 # Zagor: good ;-) - is the list of the suggestions available? 23.22.46 # * kugel wouldn't think too hard of a name already now, but wait for inspirations while working on it 23.22.55 # amiconn: we can save a little space on mono, by dropping native output, and dithering as well, from the pluginlib loader. would assuming the presence of an extern struct plugin *rb be unreasonable? it seems like almost all plugins initialize one on startup, anyway, and specifying that they do so, and use a specific name, before using pluginlib, seems reasonable 23.24.46 # okok :-) 23.25.03 # I will work for now, much more interesting for me now :-) 23.25.11 # thanks and bye bye :-) 23.25.18 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 23.25.26 # kugel: are you familiar with the clip bootloader? I want to add usb detection but I don't see where the button check is done 23.26.01 # Zagor: do you know the gpio pin for usb? 23.26.31 # I figure we can use the "power connected" status 23.26.40 # dual-booting is done in a "pre-bootloader" stage (so it loads either the OF or our bootloader), and the code for that is in rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot.S 23.26.52 # aha 23.27.42 # Zagor: see the TODO my patch added in r19575 ;) 23.28.40 Quit B4gder ("It is time to say moo") 23.30.26 Quit n1s () 23.33.03 # reading RockRabbit's post again, c200v2 is definitely also using the backlight driver as sansav1/ams sansa/sa9200 do 23.34.37 # i see someone has opened a v2 clip i think but i am not sure on photos yet 23.35.14 # Zagor: do you want usb detection for dualboot or for the bootloader 23.35.33 # kugel: dualboot for now 23.35.52 # just to avoid having to hold the button every time 23.36.23 # Zagor: it seems it's supposed to trigger on USB already 23.36.50 # ah, wait, I got it wrong 23.37.33 Quit daurn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.38.34 # A6 is USB, going by the HardwareMapping page 23.39.59 Join daurnimator [0] (n=quae@ppp118-208-155-42.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) 23.43.37 # Unhelpful: I wouldn't assume this. 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