--- Log for 03.02.109 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 hours and 54 minutes ago 00.00.38 Nick amiconn_ is now known as tester1257 (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.00.45 Part tester1257 00.01.11 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC") 00.01.30 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.01.31 Quit ender` (" Connection Reset by Gypsies with Wire Cutters") 00.02.46 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.06.55 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 00.10.46 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 00.12.59 Quit lymeca (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.51 Quit freqmod_qu ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat komfortabelt. Hvor som helst.") 00.14.26 Join freqmod_qu [0] (i=quassel@2001:700:300:1430:213:d3ff:fee9:5ed0) 00.15.40 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.16.10 Join [1]TruthTaco [0] (i=TruthTac@adsl-144-237-206.aby.bellsouth.net) 00.16.21 Join Lapoot [0] (n=408b6869@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b03af81b574d5193) 00.17.49 Quit Lapoot (Client Quit) 00.19.59 # anyone able to understand what DR and START do in this schematic? (I've left out the unrelated parts) http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=37359 00.20.31 Quit TruthTaco (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.20.31 Nick [1]TruthTaco is now known as TruthTaco (i=TruthTac@adsl-144-237-206.aby.bellsouth.net) 00.21.52 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.21.55 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.21.57 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.23.23 Part amiconn_ 00.23.28 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 00.24.06 # START is connected to UART_CTS, where CTS means clear to send IIRC, telling the other side of the serial link that it's ok to send more data 00.24.16 # DR could mean something like data ready 00.24.37 # not sure what U1 does 00.25.32 # SSI = synchronous serial interface or something like that? 00.30.19 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 00.31.38 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.35.11 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Client Quit) 00.38.09 # bertrik: you can ignore the connections on the SoC side, those are used as general GPIO ports; I meant the stuff on the left 00.38.13 # oh, you left 00.46.33 Part gartral1 00.47.05 Quit DataGhost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.46 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 00.48.34 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.49.12 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.51.02 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.53.54 Quit MTee (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.59 Quit dabujo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.07.39 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon_ (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.07.43 Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.09.25 Quit faemir ("Lost terminal") 01.09.49 Join akur [0] (n=akur@bl5-226-219.dsl.telepac.pt) 01.11.53 Part akur 01.14.42 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.31 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.23.43 Quit Aurix_Lexico (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.24.48 Join Aurix_Lexico [0] (n=comrade@c-68-56-205-239.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.32.04 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 01.34.22 Join phinze [0] (n=phinze@173-19-89-233.client.mchsi.com) 01.41.15 Join akur [0] (n=akur@bl5-226-219.dsl.telepac.pt) 01.41.16 Part akur 01.46.59 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87.196.169.52) 01.48.20 # hello again :-) 01.48.59 # can someon tell me if load_firmware() first clears the buffer to where it will put the data? 01.49.55 # has anyone used tools/release/bins.pl recently? it seems to just be doing a dry-run and i can't tell why (if I turn on verbose it prints the messages saying that it's doing the right things, but nothing actually happens and it's going /way/ too quickly for it to be doing the actual builds) 01.50.08 # casainho: why does it make a difference? 01.50.46 # JdGordon: because I am always having bad checksums.... 01.50.55 # and with random values... 01.51.07 # are you sure you are reading the data from the disk correctly? 01.51.17 # thats what was happening with the sansa v2's 01.51.33 # yes, because I implemensted the CRC16 check from the SD Card.... 01.52.09 # so, how did the developers get arround that problem on sansa V2? 01.52.35 # the problem there was they wernt reading the data from the sd card correctly 01.53.15 # ok, but do you know if they are doing the CRC test? 01.53.26 # they are 01.53.36 # because I think we can do it or just ignore 01.53.54 # casainho: if the CRC is failing, ignoring the problem seems like not the right answer 01.53.54 # so, they could know if they were getting it correctly or not, no? 01.54.14 # kadoban: my CRC is not failing, is correct 01.54.26 # casainho: then there's no problem, right? :) 01.54.28 # well, the CRC16 on SD Card 01.54.45 # no, I have bad checksum on load_firmware() 01.55.48 Quit Aurix_Lexico (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.56.39 Join Aurix_Lexico [0] (n=comrade@c-68-56-205-239.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 01.59.56 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.00.31 # so, does anyone can tell me if load_firmware() clears the loadbuffer? or I need to do that? 02.00.48 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.02.08 Quit phinze (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.02.52 Quit john__ ("Leaving") 02.04.30 Join motionman95 [0] (n=4597cae2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e4a573d525c8ce4f) 02.04.36 # casainho: No, load_firmware() doesn't clear its buffer - it doesn't need to (and you don't). 02.05.20 # linuxstb: that buffer don't have a fixed size? 02.05.42 # it does 02.05.54 # Hello? 02.06.14 # hello? 02.06.21 Part toffe82 02.06.36 # j 02.06.37 # motionman95: Hello 02.06.49 # my question is, the checksum is just of the size on the firmware size or of all that fixed beffer size? 02.06.56 # whoops, mis type... 02.08.09 # casainho: the crc is a simple checksum created by scramble. and it does only cover the binary 02.09.00 # Hello! Does anyone here have some free time and would help me fix some rockbox code? 02.10.00 # kugel: linuxstb , I am getting a bad checksum, with random values... but not so random, for example, the first 3 numbers are equal to the original checksum 02.10.30 Quit motionman95 ("CGI:IRC") 02.10.35 Join motionman95 [0] (n=4597cae2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d89b49ba925d726d) 02.11.02 # since I am loading the data from the SD Card and I get a CRC16 from each 512 bytes block, I am verifying it and reading again for each fail,(and I think I am not geting any fail) 02.11.37 # casainho: As a test, you could try clearing the buffer. The checksum is just a simple sum, so if the first 3 numbers match, that may mean that the data is _almost_ correct, but you are missing some bytes. 02.11.59 # yes, is like that!!! 02.12.47 # but I don't know where I am missing it... I just know that the piece of memory where I am putting the buffer is not cleared... at least I am not doing it anywhere 02.13.14 # casainho: what's your buffer size? 02.13.20 # The checksum is only calculated on the bytes read from the SD card - not the spare space at the end of the buffer. 02.14.10 Part Aurix_Lexico 02.14.16 # kugel: buffer_size = (int)(loadbuffer + (4 * 0x100000)); 02.14.24 # linuxstb: ah, okok.... 02.14.59 # linuxstb: so, I wounder why I am getting random checksums..... :-( 02.15.55 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 02.16.03 Quit motionman95 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.19.12 Join motionman95 [0] (n=4597cae2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e1d777651d7b7f16) 02.19.41 # well, I will try to discover tomorrow.. now time to sleep :-) 02.19.46 # good night :-) 02.19.49 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 02.22.20 Quit motionman95 (Client Quit) 02.24.57 Quit rocko ("Leaving") 02.32.55 Quit mcuelenaere () 02.33.27 Join GuyInDentonTx [0] (n=chatzill@pool-173-71-23-133.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 02.35.44 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-17bad7926caf7d51) 02.47.27 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 02.48.17 Quit rocko (Client Quit) 03.06.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.14 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203-59-129-195.perm.iinet.net.au) 03.19.16 Quit GuyInDentonTx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") 03.21.16 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 03.30.04 Join Hoe`` [0] (i=j@c-75-67-120-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 03.30.16 # anything interesting in the works? 03.31.19 # wait, wrong chan :) 03.31.20 Part Hoe`` 03.31.51 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@f051065117.adsl.alicedsl.de) 03.38.33 Quit tyfoo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.39.02 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.44.56 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.49 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@f051065117.adsl.alicedsl.de) 03.46.57 Quit goffa (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.47.03 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 03.49.18 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 04.15.35 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.16.07 Join Barahir_ [0] (n=jonathan@BAI13c3.bai.pppool.de) 04.16.30 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 04.17.50 Join LoloLO [0] (n=digital@cpe-76-172-147-252.socal.res.rr.com) 04.18.58 # this is funny that the project is called rockbox 04.19.57 # It is? 04.19.58 # in china most of the media player are based on a chip called "Rockchip" 04.20.09 # i think this is arm based too (?) 04.20.48 Join blkhawk- [0] (n=blkhawk@f051102102.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.21.01 # although you can find those players with big LCD screen for like $30 04.21.12 # playing movies, mp3 etc etc 04.21.18 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10428.0 04.21.44 # evilnick here you go :) 04.22.04 # china is invaded by this SoC 04.22.11 # LoloLO: This isn't a social channel. 04.22.43 # LambdaCalculus37 but this is late in Europe everybody's sleeping 04.23.01 # It doesn't matter. This channel is logged. 04.23.11 # sorry 04.23.26 # That means off-topic chatter fills the logs with dreck that people have to sift through to find information. 04.23.59 # LoloLO: There is also #rockbox-community for non-Rockbox related chat. All the info that we have is in the thread that I linked to. 04.24.00 # i think this is not off-topic, maybe there is a link between the rockchip and the rockbox ? 04.24.34 # its not like i am talking of a TV show or something mmmh 04.24.39 # There's no link between the two. 04.25.03 # ok 04.27.02 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 04.30.22 Quit Barahir (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.30.28 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-acdce3052ee5c811) 04.32.12 Quit evilnick ("mibbit.com: fina-frickin'-lly time to do one") 04.35.44 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.46 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@f051102102.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.42.39 Quit sarixe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.10 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 04.55.22 Join coiley [0] (n=4a4bbb03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5ff963b22d2398e9) 04.57.55 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Zzzzzzz....") 04.57.56 Join yhuang [0] (n=yhuang@unaffiliated/yhuang) 05.01.25 # I have registered (per RockBox wiki instructions) in order to create a RockBox wiki page regarding common repairs to Sansa devices. The wiki instructions say that I should next "ask for write permission [on IRC]". So this is me asking for wiki write permission. -- coiley 05.01.55 # whats your name, i'll add you 05.02.04 Quit timc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.02.11 # Scott Coiley ScottCoiley 05.03.03 # ok added 05.03.27 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 05.04.40 # Any quick suggestions on where a novice should start in creating a RB wiki? Disregard if I should just figure it out on my own. It's cool. -- coiley 05.06.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.48 # probably just look at the other repair wiki pages and duplicate that for the sansa, then link it from the sansa main wiki entry 05.08.51 # Thanks. [quit] 05.09.19 Quit coiley ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.09.43 Join coiley [0] (n=4a4bbb03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-216a5423d7530169) 05.10.59 Quit coiley (Client Quit) 05.19.46 Join RoC_MasterMind [0] (n=Free@c-76-122-43-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 05.33.42 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.42.17 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 06.09.56 Quit RoC_MasterMind ("Leaving") 06.18.25 Quit rocko ("Leaving") 06.41.57 # a while ago i mentioned that i couldn't get tools/release/bins.pl to work on my system. here's a patch in case anyone ran into the same: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9867 06.43.56 Join coiley [0] (n=4a4bbb03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-5f6925a4ddebd64d) 06.45.54 # I added my silly little Sansa repair wiki at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaRepairs. How (or when?) does it get connected to a refering page? or is there something that I heve left undone? Thanks -- coiley 06.47.15 # coiley: find the correct place to add a reference, and add it :) if you have write access, you should have permissions to do that as well 06.48.00 # So I have to edit someone-else's article? 06.48.17 # Can do 06.48.20 # Just ask 06.48.38 # coiley: yeah, it seems a little odd at first, but that's how wiki works :) 06.48.42 # Sorry. This is really stretching my brain 06.48.50 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@89.20.107.109) 06.49.05 # Good enough. I'm gone 06.49.56 Quit coiley ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.55.16 Quit Acky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.56.04 Join Acksaw [0] (n=omgwtfbb@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust655.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 07.02.48 Join coiley [0] (n=4a4bbb03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e10accb746b56068) 07.06.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.07.58 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.11.40 # Just a quick thanks to someone(s) for the wiki help. That edit privilege is key ;-)... and it's EVERYWHERE now! And I don't think I can thank enough people enough for RockBox. RockBox is from non-voracious people. That is so different - and excepional. Thanks again. -- coiley 07.16.36 Quit coiley ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.17.14 Quit Tristan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.31.15 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 07.37.11 Join Tristan [0] (i=tristan@66.252.24.153) 07.40.15 Join coiley [0] (n=4a4bbb03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-46b2a888925f8fa8) 07.40.59 Quit coiley (Client Quit) 08.03.27 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.18.54 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.57 Quit GodEater_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.29.44 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.37.49 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.38.59 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 08.39.21 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host5-154-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.42.05 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 08.45.48 Join mDemocritus [0] (n=colin@d53-64-235-237.nap.wideopenwest.com) 08.45.56 # Is CONTEXT_STOPSEARCHING intended to stop searching the current button context or to stop searching buttons immediately? Given there's LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST__NEXTLIST I would expect the latter but it ends up making another call which returns standard context buttons anyway. 08.46.13 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 08.46.35 Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.48.16 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.49.54 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.50.15 Quit agaffney (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.50.16 # howdy... i'm trying to make the rockbox bootloader for my creative zen vision:m so i can try helping with the port, i get an error when running mkzenboot, decrypted length of encoded block is too large 0xf38a60de. i've tried searching, but apparently my brain is too tired to search right 08.52.17 Join agaffney [0] (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/agaffney) 08.55.29 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.56.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCEDE.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.57.22 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 08.58.54 # and apparently my brain is too tired to ask a question... anyone know what i'm missing, or what i should search for, or what else i should try? 08.59.37 # there's really not that many creative hackers in the rockbox community, so I would recommend posting in the forum thread about your player 08.59.39 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 09.00.08 # our "main man" on creative isn't around here atm 09.01.40 # B4gder: ok thank you. i had a hunch there wouldn't be many especially since it's a new port. maybe i'll search better tomorrow when i'm ducking responsibilities at work :) 09.01.57 # there's the spirit! ;-) 09.02.10 # * B4gder teaches that ducking skill 09.03.32 # pshaw, i need no instructions on ducking... i'm a senior tech support rep for an outsourcing firm. who's the "main man" for creative? 09.06.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.08.56 # well, time to get to bed before i spam the channel with my head hitting the keyboard. thanks again, B4gder 09.09.50 # mcuelenaere is 09.10.10 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.10.14 # mDemocritus: night! 09.13.41 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.24 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.15.42 Quit kachna (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.17.07 Quit mDemocritus ("leaving") 09.20.35 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.23.17 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 09.24.04 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 09.31.39 Quit HBK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.44.00 Quit rocko ("Leaving") 09.45.55 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc3-hem18-0-0-cust53.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 10.00.08 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.00.29 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r3g248.net.upc.cz) 10.02.25 Quit fyrestorm ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 10.04.14 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 10.05.01 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 10.11.58 Join ReconMarine [0] (n=c7018b66@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-34f6bf742058c8e5) 10.12.44 # Is anyone here able to answer questions about the software? 10.13.08 # try asking and you'll find out! 10.13.46 # I need to know about compatability with my player 10.13.59 # then read the rockbox.org front page 10.14.19 # I have a generic MP3 MP4 player from Orbit The ThunderX 10.14.29 # there's no such thing as a "generic" player 10.14.49 # if the model isn't explicitly mentioned on the front page as supported, it isn't 10.15.38 # I've never even heard of that player before... 10.15.59 # I guess that prevents you from answering the questions then doesn't it 10.16.07 # no it doesn't 10.16.35 # It looks like an Ipod Nano, the tall skinny one with the round dial in the center 10.16.47 # the look doesn't matter 10.16.49 # [02:14:51] if the model isn't explicitly mentioned on the front page as supported, it isn't 10.17.11 # ReconMarine: it may looks like an ipod nano but it is something completely different. 10.17.28 Quit GodEater_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 10.17.33 # Hence the reason I said it was generic, and not an Ipod 10.17.35 # * Zagor sprinkles too many 's'... 10.17.46 # ReconMarine: and I already explained the situation... 10.18.08 Quit at0m|c (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.18.14 # ReconMarine: as b4gder said, there are no "generic" players. every single itty bitty player needs to be supported explicitly. 10.18.23 # isn't supported meaning Rockbox won't work on it 10.19.13 # If you have never heard of it, how do you know it isn't since you do not know what chip is inside of it? Which brings me to the question of how I find out what chip is in the player 10.19.24 # ReconMarine: you rip it open 10.19.30 # scan the pcb 10.19.35 # google for the parts 10.19.39 # right...... 10.19.41 # ask in forums for that player 10.20.00 # ReconMarine: we know because we write the software. and we haven't written any for that player. 10.20.08 # and NO players are working until we make SPECIFIC support for them 10.20.17 Join GodEater_ [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 10.20.22 # and since we haven't for this, we KNOW rockbox doesn't work on it 10.20.52 # but it probably be made to 10.20.56 # given enough effort and time 10.21.10 # these are not generic pc-type machines. every single player has different hardware and needs custom code to be written. 10.22.17 # http://www.orbitronics.com/subcat.asp?cat=3&subcat=4&lan= that is the company, never heard of it? and this is the specific player http://www.orbitronics.com/prodDetails.asp?prodId=657&lan= 10.22.24 # if you still dont believe us, feel free to try to install rockbox ;) 10.23.14 # how about I keep asking relevent questions, instead of playing the part of an idiot and just "installing" the software there scorche 10.23.24 # * B4gder bets on one of the chinese hw setups 10.23.35 # not only do we have to program specifically for each individual piece of hardware in the device, but we have to figure out how to get our code to run as well.. 10.24.00 # ReconMarine: there are hundreds of different brands of players on the market. we tend to focus on the big names since they have a somewhat larger user base. 10.24.25 # and simply the ones devs care about 10.24.41 # start working on this and we' 10.24.45 # ll start caring ;-) 10.25.21 # it being a (max) 2GB player it does however sound a bit outdated already 10.25.50 Join pyro_m4niac [0] (i=foobar@p57BB91B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.26.03 # Ah so sitting around popping off smartass comments is better than answering relevent questions........different irc room, different names, same smartass children. 10.26.12 # thanks for nothing 10.26.15 # bye bye 10.26.17 Quit ReconMarine ("CGI:IRC") 10.26.21 # jeez 10.26.23 # haha...right then 10.29.27 # we did answer the questions... 10.29.52 # very patiently even 10.31.34 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 10.34.58 Quit LoloLO () 10.35.08 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.36.44 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.50 Nick Barahir_ is now known as Barahir (n=jonathan@BAI13c3.bai.pppool.de) 10.41.53 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 10.42.25 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 10.55.37 Join Jaykay [0] (n=chatzill@p579E7493.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.57.13 # is there any commit in the last 500 ones that could increase battery runtime >1h? or is it normal that many commits do their part for a longer runtime? 10.59.23 # i did two benches with .ogg ~256 kbps, one with r19396 (18:03) and with r19894 (19:18) 11.00.42 Quit romain (Excess Flood) 11.00.46 Join romain [0] (n=romain@peerfuse.org) 11.01.00 # Jaykay: I can't think of any specific one, but I haven't been paying full attention either. 11.02.04 # i guess fining out of the reason is not worth the effort 11.02.07 # *finding 11.02.25 # not when the direction is fine methinks 11.03.07 # ok 11.04.22 # btw if someone has a idea how i could do a helpful battery bench (with some settings, codecs etc) just write me.... 11.06.31 # me 11.06.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.08.07 # maybe you could write the idea, maybe also in a way that helps me :) 11.09.28 # Sorry, you said just write me 11.09.39 # Jaykay: Generally you want to compare to the OF 11.10.02 # Jaykay: So that means chosing settings that are available in both, and generally turning everything off 11.10.20 # Then you want to pick a codec that is playable in both 11.10.57 # Then pick a playlist that is bigger than the music buffer, put it on repeat and wait :) 11.11.04 # * JdGordon thinks rasher to get to work on a distributed runtime bencher for every build... 11.11.23 # oh yes that would be nice ;) 11.12.05 # is there a nice way to find out the runtime of the OF? except connecting it with a microphone of a computer 11.12.10 # I like to connect the output to a recorder so that I have a good record on both OF and rockbox exactly when the music output stopped 11.12.18 # Jaykay: That is the best way 11.12.29 # Jaykay: Otherwise you will end up having to stare at the player 11.12.44 # Also, if yoy record both in the same way, then you have the same load on both 11.13.42 # not a comfortable solution... 11.14.03 # but maybe illl try next time.. 11.16.28 Join bluefoxx [0] (i=BlueFoxx@S0106005004792985.vs.shawcable.net) 11.17.12 # so with the coming release [or planned release at least] of 'sdxc', will rockbox adapt to provide support for those cards as well, on applicable players? 11.18.00 # care to name a few players on which we'd have the option on? 11.18.14 # vapor vapor vapor 11.18.48 # e200 perhaphs? 11.18.55 # since rockbox does sdhc on them 11.19.17 # it would definately extend the life of the player a fair bit 11.19.29 # well, when the spec comes and the card comes and they can in fact be bought by mortals, then we'll see 11.19.35 # is sdxc even a spec. yet? seems a little early... 11.19.45 # a _little_ yes 11.19.51 # http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc/ 11.19.53 # it's little more than just words right now 11.20.10 # "pending release" 11.20.34 # yes, the spec 11.20.54 # just me being curious as to if i will have to buy a new player if i want more than ~38 gigs of storage on a rockboxed player 11.21.06 # bluefoxx: but how can anyone tell? 11.21.20 # is your 32GB usd already full? 11.21.25 # microsd 11.21.31 # no, but my 6 gig player and 8 gig card are 11.22.09 # and i could easily fill an additional 18 given chance 11.22.15 # How do I get access to the ams 3525 data sheet? 11.22.58 # you participate as a rockbox dev 11.23.50 # and sign the contract in your own blood 11.23.55 # don't forget that B4gder 11.24.27 # special dance I gotta do too? 11.27.43 # FlynDice: i dont think so 11.28.21 # its quite easy to become a rckbox dev, you know 11.30.12 # did anyone look into http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 in the past few deys/weeks? 11.33.31 # ok I'll bite, how does one become a rockbox dev...? 11.34.56 # start deving :) 11.35.21 # im not a developer, but i think creating good patches and submitting them in the tracker is a good start 11.35.32 # all it takes is a compiler and a dream 11.36.36 Join at0m [0] (n=at0m@78-20-136-118.access.telenet.be) 11.37.33 Quit bluefoxx ("well, my question was basically answered.") 11.40.23 # kadoban: not even a dream... just an itch is enough to get going 11.44.17 # :) 11.48.13 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.49.11 Quit Zagor (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.49.11 Quit jhMikeS (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit Llorean (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit beachsurfin (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit desowin_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit Kohlrabi (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit J-23 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.11 Quit fxb__ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.49.39 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.49.39 NJoin Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 11.49.39 NJoin jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.49.39 NJoin Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) 11.49.39 NJoin beachsurfin [0] (n=kayla@unaffiliated/girlmeteor) 11.49.39 NJoin desowin_ [0] (n=desowin@72.37.225.164) 11.49.39 NJoin fxb__ [0] (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.49.39 NJoin J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 11.49.39 NJoin Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@frustrum.nosebud.de) 11.52.46 # wheres the right place to suggest patches for committing? 11.53.23 # here in irc someone said "write it to the -dev list", in the dev list someone said "post a comment to the tasks" and in the tracker i dont get answers. 11.53.49 # there should be a message in the tracker to suggest here... :D 11.54.35 # that is missing, right :) 11.54.49 # ... the basic answer is you dont... you just hope someone interested will see your patch 11.55.12 Quit scorche (Nick collision from services.) 11.55.51 # not my patch... i have some in my mind which are helpful... but they "rot" in the tracker 11.55.58 Join scorche [0] (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 12.05.23 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=till@xdsl-84-44-172-93.netcologne.de) 12.07.48 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 12.11.26 # a question about the function of the patch tracker... should all patches either be committed or closed, or is it a collecting point of ideas, or what? 12.12.26 # the first 12.14.31 # Actually, you missed a third option :) 12.14.44 # They should be worked on until ready to commit, and then committed 12.14.47 # do the other devs think the same about it? e.g. Zagor committed two patche (FS#9797 and 9800m zero wait boost) but said after a while they will never be commited, they are a sort of "research-patches"... 12.15.23 # gevaerts: i meant that with the first option, sorry :) 12.15.40 # well.. usually devs dont close other devs patches... 12.15.47 # Jaykay: But in the case of those, the ideas from them might well be 12.16.01 # I read it as more him saying that they will never be committed in the current form 12.16.07 # Jaykay: "research" patches are something special I think 12.16.13 # ok :) 12.16.14 # And the patches being there allow other devs to chip in too 12.16.57 # Jaykay: It is different if the feature is not wanted, then they would be closed 12.18.19 # even then not always... sometimes we play nice and leave unwanted features (that are active) in the track 12.18.23 # er 12.20.13 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@host-091-097-241-242.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.27.09 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12.32.44 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-166-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.37.33 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 12.43.17 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@77-20-31-238-dynip.superkabel.de) 12.47.54 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3028.gwdg.de) 12.49.03 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 12.51.00 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3018.gwdg.de) 12.56.12 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 12.56.28 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-16331713e5122225) 12.57.08 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.00.07 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 13.04.18 Quit Rondom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.06.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.17 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.10.18 Join mcuelenaere_ [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.10.38 Nick mcuelenaere_ is now known as mcuelenaere (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.19.40 Join mcuelenaere_ [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 13.19.40 Quit mcuelenaere_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.20.12 Quit XavierGr () 13.24.13 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 13.27.25 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-415472d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 13.27.44 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.28.15 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.31.01 Quit BigBambi (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.31.41 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 13.32.31 Join BigBambi_ [0] (n=Alex@168.189.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 13.56.26 # gevaerts: I was wondering, does the USB stack work with sector size > 512? 13.56.49 # I've tried it once and it didn't do much (I've didn't do extensive testing though) 13.57.09 # s/I've didn't/I didn't/ 14.03.08 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 14.09.01 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a04303@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 14.10.50 # wow, USB transfer with logf: 2,7MB/s; without logf: 3,7MB/s 14.12.44 # that's not bad 14.13.05 # and that's even with bad host->device USB implementation 14.13.13 # but of course it's only host->device transfer 14.13.18 # ehm reverse 14.13.21 # device->host 14.20.14 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.23.42 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.27.05 Quit Jaykay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.30.10 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.31.04 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 14.33.26 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=lem@host-091-096-215-178.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 14.36.00 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.36.01 # Yahoo, jhMikeS' recent Gigabeat remote commit works nicely on my beast. :) 14.36.15 # yep :) 14.36.38 # Now I have a good reason to take the remote out with me. ;) 14.36.58 # Although I wish Toshiba made an LCD remote like iriver and Cowon did. 14.39.28 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 14.39.50 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.42.02 Join Casainho [0] (n=chatzill@bl8-172-217.dsl.telepac.pt) 14.42.52 Part B4gder 14.43.36 # hello :-) 14.43.52 # I would like to know what is "fd", that "static int open_internal(const char* pathname, int flags, bool use_cache)" returns... 14.44.48 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@p54A5C81A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.44.50 # file descriptor. it's just a value that you pass to read/write/close so they know which file to work on. 14.45.17 # I would like to understand what means open a file, why we need first to open it and what the functions returns.. a pointer to some data? 14.45.39 # Zagor: ah, okok. 14.46.56 # Zagor: I am getting bad checksum from reading from my SD Card, and I was thinking in read the firmware file (which have randon checksum values) and write it again on SD Card 14.47.48 # so, I am expecting to be able to create a new file, reading from a memory buffer and writing it to the new SD Card file... 14.48.33 # I can use "write_file()" creates a file if it do not exists? 14.49.43 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 14.49.44 # I must go now 14.49.47 Quit Casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 14.52.21 Quit PRINCESS_FLUFF (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.55.25 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 15.05.51 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 15.06.14 Join hd [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 15.06.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.08.49 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 15.09.07 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) 15.09.37 Part LinusN 15.09.48 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.37 Join bs66_ [0] (n=sysuser@94.191.157.205.bredband.tre.se) 15.16.01 Quit bs66_1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.16.17 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.19.29 Quit mcuelenaere () 15.19.50 Join soulpro [0] (n=soulpro@CPE-65-31-215-206.kc.res.rr.com) 15.19.56 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD95476AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.20.22 Quit kachna (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.28.39 Join nibbler_ [0] (n=Nibbler@pD9E307C8.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.30.59 Quit yhuang ("Leaving") 15.31.42 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@host-091-097-244-021.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.31.58 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.33.07 Quit TheSphinX^ ("XChat@Linux") 15.33.58 Join pvbcharon [0] (n=charon@62.225.173.228) 15.34.22 Quit havien (Remote closed the connection) 15.44.25 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.51.42 Quit MethoS-- (No route to host) 15.57.19 # Is headphone insertion on targets that can detect it *supposed* to light up the backlight? 16.04.15 # is there some trickery needed to get svn to make me a patch containing binary files (images), or is that just not possible or something? 16.06.10 Quit midijunkie ("?(???~•~)?") 16.07.07 # patches are inherently text-based 16.07.47 # what is traditionally done with images, like for the manual? attach them in a separate zip? 16.07.56 # (in FS) 16.08.12 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 16.08.19 # Manual images are PNG. 16.08.45 # and if you're submitting new images for the manual, then yes, a seperate zip would be lovely. 16.08.52 # thanks 16.09.40 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6aa7c84b32ac7945) 16.20.47 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.22.20 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B4780D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.28.18 Join mDemocritus [0] (n=colin@d53-64-235-237.nap.wideopenwest.com) 16.28.24 Quit pvbcharon () 16.28.51 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.30.39 Quit mDemocritus (Client Quit) 16.39.39 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) 16.43.17 Join n1s [0] (n=nils@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.46.58 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.15 Join krazykit` [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-252-37-255.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 16.55.16 Join cafaro [0] (n=cafaro@adsl-dc-257b9.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 16.55.24 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.56.18 Join MTee [0] (n=mtee@41.233.147.213) 17.02.35 # any ideas on a location / time frame for devcon this year ? 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19.27.01 # I don't know of any such build, but it's probably quite easy to modify the source code for that and recompile 19.30.46 Quit Barahir (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.57 Quit BigBambi_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.31.12 Nick Barahir_ is now known as Barahir (n=jonathan@Xdc38.x.pppool.de) 19.31.15 # Although can we ask why you're in need of a change like that in iPodpatcher? 19.31.43 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@cpc3-hem18-0-0-cust53.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 19.33.40 Join BigBambi [0] (n=Alex@168.189.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 19.33.47 Join domonoky1 [0] (n=Domonoky@g229189004.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.34.39 # he isnt...someone in #ipodlinux is ;) 19.36.49 Join cafaro [0] (n=cafaro@adsl-dc-257b9.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 19.37.09 # LambdaCalculus37: It's not an unreasonable request, ipodpatcher is itself able to overwrite the apple copyright, but subsequently unable to perform any further changes since it expects it to be there 19.37.41 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.38.40 # A --force option would be appropriate 19.40.04 # scorche: Ahh, okay. 19.40.18 # rvvs89: Forgiving me for asking. 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USB is still pretty much unusable on some setups 21.09.57 # the problem is imo, that even if file transfer is working, we cannot say USB is working. 21.10.31 # since there's still this resetting problem (which doesn't seem to cause corruption though), and that people with HUBs tend to have instable connections 21.10.35 # correct me if I'm wrong 21.10.46 # * gevaerts corrects kugel :) 21.10.58 # it was pretty much unusable on my PC's USB front ports 21.11.19 # last time I tried, need to update myself on this ;) 21.11.22 # kugel: it can cause corruption in extreme cases, as it can basically throw the sansa off the bus, which is equivalent to unplugging unsafely 21.11.54 # hm, then linux handled it goodly when I had the 5 resets during transfering the 3.2GB image 21.12.03 # as you already said, I was lucky 21.12.08 # s/sansa/player/ 21.12.15 # goodly=well, no? 21.12.53 # yes 21.12.59 # kugel: if you get a few resets now and then, it won't throw it off the bus, but on some setups even basic enumeration is hit and miss. On those, anything can happen 21.13.22 # gevaerts, any idea what causes the resets? 21.13.33 # gevaerts: yes, and you're lucky enough, i'm home! 21.13.46 # Toni1: btw, I had 3.3+ MB/s (without serialize_writes, using the patch I uploaded), not any slower than the OF 21.14.01 # desowin_: great! If your setup survives with Toni1's patch, *any* setup will survive :) 21.14.08 # ok, I didn't messure it exactly, but 1 song/s is what I get using the OF too 21.14.30 # kugel, I am far from OF performance. Still I would like to get rid of the of. 21.14.41 # so i do 21.15.06 # your patch works on my pc as well as on my notebook, I'm ready to wipe the OF 21.15.14 # Toni1: there has been a lot of speculation. It's almost certainly some portalplayer initialisation issue as the gigabeat S with the same controller on a different SoC works perfectly. Whether that means RAM setup, cache issue or clocking is much less clear 21.15.29 # I already wiped the OFs bootloader many month ago (so I've basically only the system folder) 21.15.53 # sd_write_sectors_diff_v2.diff - this one? 21.16.18 # desowin, yes 21.17.12 # commit commit commit :) 21.17.27 # * gevaerts still doesn't understand at all how this printer could make a difference 21.17.28 # ok,ok, I feel encouraged :) 21.17.43 # gevaerts: believe me, it does 21.17.55 # it would also need to pass amiconn's hub test ;) 21.18.09 # desowin_: I do believe it, but since I don't understand it it's purely faith :) 21.23.08 # * kugel sees the build table being busy 21.23.09 # yay 21.23.23 Quit cafaro ("cafaro has left the building") 21.24.17 # anyone can tell me what was the define to enable rockbox usb? 21.24.27 # desowin_: -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB 21.25.42 # Toni1: what about SERIALIZE_WRITES? 21.26.13 # kugel, in the next commit 21.26.26 # ok 21.26.40 # I was just curious, since your latest patch didn't have that too 21.27.27 Join framo [0] (n=gnicki@ip-87-82-152-129.easynet.co.uk) 21.28.14 # I prefer a two step approach here 21.28.38 # * gevaerts agrees 21.31.01 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtj224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.31.38 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@adsl6-244.her.forthnet.gr) 21.32.43 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@77-20-31-238-dynip.superkabel.de) 21.36.26 # see you 21.36.37 # * gevaerts waves 21.36.37 Quit Toni1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.36.55 Join Aurix_Lexico [0] (n=comrade@c-68-56-205-239.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 21.37.20 # uhm 21.38.19 # * kugel thinks that, since all tests have been made without SERIALIZE_WRITES anyway, this could've been removed now too 21.39.01 # kugel: true, but the tests have only been done by very few people 21.39.12 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.39.16 # * desowin_ is still testing 21.40.06 # gevaerts: well, apparently enough people to trust the commit change, but not enough to trust the SERIALIZE_WRITES change 21.40.48 # anyway, on the other hand, that's not as major as the 2byte bug 21.41.37 # exactly. There's no reason to rush things :) 21.42.14 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=fyre@cpe-74-64-54-139.nyc.res.rr.com) 21.42.43 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-12-250.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.42.51 # I/O error here... I'll try formatting that partition (it could be corrupted before) 21.43.32 # I/O error is probably a USB issue I think 21.43.45 # fat directory bread 21.44.52 Quit parafin (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.45.48 Join heath [0] (n=heath@c-71-207-243-157.hsd1.al.comcast.net) 21.46.27 # desowin_: USB or just out of range? 21.46.40 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.47.19 Join blkhawk [0] (n=blkhawk@f051102102.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.48.34 # err, usb: device firmware changed?? 21.48.51 # ? 21.48.52 # I don't think I've seen this before 21.48.59 # gevaerts: in dmesg 21.49.42 # * gevaerts has never seen that either 21.51.34 # * amiconn thinks that r19911 is weird 21.51.35 # gevaerts: you think we could post a "custom build" into the forums, enabling rockbox usb and disabling serialize_writes for testing? (like it was done with the IAP patch) 21.52.46 # kugel: SERIALIZE_WRITES can probably go soon, but usb is very different from iap in that we don't need testing to know that it's buggy 21.53.31 # well, but it would surely be intersting in how big the percentage of problematic setups is 21.53.32 # there aren't bug-free things anyway ;) 21.54.12 # kugel: not really. *all* setups are problematic, some are just less so than others 21.54.46 # could it be related to boosting? is rockbox boosting while in usb? 21.55.06 # It is, yes. It doesn't work at all without boosting 21.55.15 # uh 21.55.24 # * gevaerts thinks that that is actually a clue 21.55.32 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.56.24 # then we a) boost wrongly, or b) not enough :) 21.56.39 # (a) maybe, (b), no 21.56.48 # * gevaerts has tested with an overclocked ipod :) 21.56.49 # hence the smily after b) 21.57.00 # * kugel wonders if the zero boost patch changes anything, it changes how boosting works 21.57.36 # zero-wait boost, rather 21.57.41 # But yes, as far as I know, it could be a clock setup issue. This doesn't mean much as I don't know much about clocking though 21.57.43 Quit HBK (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.58.31 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.58.52 # I don't know PP very well, but on the AMS sansas you need to take care of a bunch of clocks, maybe this is sort of similar on PP 21.59.19 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-32ae81ed99577c36) 22.00.52 # the LPC2148 microcontroller that I worked with, needs to run at least at 18 MHz in order for it to communicate properly with the built-in USB controller, it has something to do with the two clock domains (processor vs. USB peripheral clock). Perhaps PP has a similar problem. 22.06.28 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 22.07.06 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@host-091-097-244-033.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.07.49 Join lee321987 [0] (n=chatzill@05-033.244.popsite.net) 22.09.49 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.10.08 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ff875b821cd30af) 22.11.01 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 22.12.05 # what's the NickServ command to log off? 22.13.59 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d3bc2c40662243f4) 22.15.50 # lee321987: /msg nickserv help 22.17.14 # I get this "usb: device firmware changed" with printer connected and r19911, but without printer I haven't seen any corruption 22.18.10 # * gevaerts wonders what would happen if one were to connect desowin_'s printer through amiconn's hub 22.18.25 # The world would end 22.20.16 Join webguest03 [0] (n=18b0a228@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fc57603d41a8f1a8) 22.20.30 # howdie 22.20.41 # howdie 22.21.14 # hello 22.21.18 # desowin_: I suspect that any corruption you get while connecting together with the printer is probably due to the device getting disconnected 22.21.23 # jhg 22.21.42 # webguest03: This isn't a social channel 22.21.47 # i has a ? 22.22.02 # webguest03: Do you mean "I have a question"? 22.22.11 # webguest03: Please speak proper English 22.22.28 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 22.23.30 # k 22.23.48 # ? 22.24.11 # yes hats whATi meant 22.24.30 # webguest03: Do you have a question about Rockbox? 22.24.38 # ok im sorry but i have a question 22.24.41 # If so, please just ask it 22.25.36 # How do I find out what USB protocol my connected DAP is using? 22.25.45 # windows 22.25.48 # What DAP? 22.25.53 # c200 22.26.04 # yes i do 22.26.10 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.26.18 # lee321987: If you have a drive letter, it is MSC 22.26.23 # webguest03: Then ask the sodding thing 22.26.45 # lee321987: If it does not, but appears in explorer as a place or omething similar it is MTP 22.26.47 # I mean USB 1.1 or 2.0 22.26.56 # ah 22.27.00 # Speed? 22.27.17 # i instaled a theme but when i play music its just like the recording screen 22.27.27 # I can use that, but I thought there was a place where they are all listed 22.27.30 # lee321987: look in the device manager and check to which controller it's connected 22.27.53 # webguest03: Then the theme is out of date. You need to update it. See www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps 22.28.23 # ? 22.28.32 # what? 22.28.43 # You asked a question, I answered it 22.29.04 # its on my 1st gen nano 22.29.17 # That link should have been www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS 22.29.29 # webguest03: That doesn't matter, what I said is still true 22.29.32 # is it easy? 22.29.33 Quit yhuang ("Leaving") 22.29.57 # webguest03: That depends on you. Yes, I think it is quite easy 22.30.33 # if you're having trouble figuring out USB, editing themes is probably not something you'll enjoy 22.30.48 # saratoga: Different person 22.31.04 Join QuickStart [0] (n=QUICKSTA@pool-72-88-176-22.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) 22.31.32 # gevaerts: I looked under "Disk Drives" and "Universal Serial Bus Controllers", but don't see anything denoting USB protocol. 22.31.54 # lee321987: Is this Rockbox related? 22.31.57 # lee321987: "protocol" is something different... 22.31.57 # oh and sorry for some reason my message on this comes two minutes later so thats why i sound stupid sorry 22.32.14 # lee321987: At the moment Rockbox uses the Sandisk firmware for USB 22.32.36 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@host-091-097-244-033.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.32.47 # BigBambi: Yeah, I trying the new commit that is supposed to fix the "2 bytes inserted" SD driver bug 22.33.06 # it _just_ got commited 22.33.12 # lee321987: So you have built enabling Rockbox USB mode? 22.33.24 # Yeah 22.33.31 # OK, orry 22.33.34 # *orry 22.33.42 # and yes, I know it has just gone in 22.34.00 # Ooooh, are there any reports that this has been fixed 100% yet? I'd love to be able to totally ditch the Sansa OF 22.34.35 # but i dont know what wps even means so would it still be easy? 22.35.05 # no, probably not 22.35.14 # I'm getting ~1.6MB/sec write 22.35.31 # That's high speed, no doubt about it 22.35.56 # webguest03: i would suggest to just choose a different theme from the WPSGallery in the wiki. 22.35.58 # ahhhhhhhh 22.37.13 # ahhh 22.37.31 # webguest03: Please stop it 22.37.49 Quit webguest03 ("CGI:IRC") 22.37.49 # Isn't high speed the fastest? 22.37.52 Join webguest28 [0] (n=18b0a228@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a66fa08a1857f5df) 22.38.01 # it ism yes 22.38.05 # yes, for now 22.38.56 # So why would you call 1.6MB/sec high speed? 22.39.13 # so is it easy? 22.39.16 # As it is too fast for full speed 22.39.39 # webguest28: No, take PaulJam_'s suggestion and try another theme that doesn't need updating 22.39.39 # lee321987: full speed USB is 12 mbit/s 22.39.47 Quit webguest28 (Client Quit) 22.41.17 Join lazka [0] (n=lazka@84-119-76-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) 22.42.52 # my sansa v1 doesn't mount anymore.. anything I can do? 22.43.06 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=lem@host-091-096-211-037.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.43.14 # in the OF? make sure USB mode is set as MSC 22.43.54 # yes, in the OF 22.44.13 Quit QuickStart (Remote closed the connection) 22.44.59 # is since this change where the bootloader first started rockbox and than switched to OF.. 22.45.32 # and RB mounting never worked for me.. always crashes RB. 22.45.49 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.45.58 # (just in case you guys need it) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick 22.46.17 Nick krazykit` is now known as krazykit (n=kkit@adsl-76-252-37-255.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 22.47.08 # lazka, well, you /can't/ use usb in rockbox right now. the OF isn't our code. pretty much all you can do is make sure you're in MSC mode, and if that fails, try to recover the firmware to make it work 22.48.06 # Didn't I see a commit for handling the c200 battery charging? Whats the RB USB screen do when actively charging? 22.49.06 # that wouldn't affect the sansa OF, but iirc, it just requests full usb power 22.49.19 # lee321987: on e200 nothing, just a small symbol in the statusbar 22.50.14 Join Self-Perfection [0] (n=self@95-24-19-170.broadband.corbina.ru) 22.50.19 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD95476AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.50.39 Join ibseco_ [0] (n=ibseco@BAHb683.bah.pppool.de) 22.51.33 # evilnick: (and anyone else who uses a c200v1) I just copied 788 MB to and from my c240 _through_Rockbox_, and MD5 sums were good on both ends. 22.51.44 # lee321987: If it is just charging and not connected to USB, then it of course doesn't show the USB screen 22.51.53 Quit MethoS-- (Remote closed the connection) 22.52.44 # lee321987: did you have corruption with earlier versions? 22.52.57 # lee321987: Is that to the SD card or the internal storage? (p.s. I use an E280) 22.52.59 # BigBambi: Can it do that? (one more bonus over OF) -- How do I charge, without connecting to USB? 22.53.10 # lee321987: it's in the manual :) 22.53.21 # lee321987: You read the manual to see what button you have to press when inserting the USB cable 22.53.34 # gevaerts: yes i had corruption 22.53.51 # lee321987: ok. Just checking, as not everyone had it 22.53.55 # evilnick: that was internal -- checking external now 22.54.22 # krazykit, didn't help.. it's kind of hard since the display is broken... thanks anyway 22.54.28 Quit lazka ("I'm off now") 22.54.37 # * evilnick was under the impression that SD was the showstopper 22.55.01 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@host-091-096-211-037.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.55.11 # evilnick: not really. People have had corruption with both internal and external storage 22.56.02 Quit rocko ("Leaving") 22.56.59 Quit fyrestorm ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 22.58.16 Quit nibbler_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.59.03 Quit AndyI (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.01.30 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 23.06.03 Join pixelma_ [0] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.06.03 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 23.06.13 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.06.17 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.06.18 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.06.34 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.07.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.09.30 Join Juice^ [0] (n=Juice@179.81-166-167.customer.lyse.net) 23.12.40 # c200v1 / 480 MB to and from external SD using RB firmware ----- MD5 sums match. Goodbye Sansa firmware! RB rocks! 23.14.35 # Oh, yeah -- chkdsk looks good too. 23.17.31 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 23.19.29 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87.196.169.52) 23.19.36 # hello :-) 23.19.36 Quit n1s () 23.20.00 Part toffe82 23.20.28 Join tvelocity[a] [0] (n=tony@adsl19-92.her.forthnet.gr) 23.20.42 # I have a buffer in memory that I would like to use for write on a file, on my SD Card... what functions can I use to make it? - can someone please write a simple example code on pastbin? 23.21.42 # you mean you want to load a file from SD_card to memory ? 23.22.32 # no, I want to write one to SD Card... 23.23.53 # and because I load the firmware from SD Card to a buf but I am getting bad sum error on LCD display... so, I would like to read the file and then write again other file with the same content and do a checksum on computer to see if the file readed from SD Card is ok or not... 23.24.24 # And suppose it isn't, what does that prove? 23.24.28 # domonoky1: can you help me with a simple code? 23.24.40 Quit Xerion (" ") 23.25.16 # casainho: take a look a bootloader/common.c , this code reads from file, if you write instead of read you have it :-) 23.25.23 # gevaerts: well, I don't know what to do in this case... so, I am thinking in try to looking at data readed from SD Card... so, I think is good to write it again on SD Card. 23.25.36 Quit Self-Perfection ("Konversation terminated!") 23.25.49 # domonoky1: ok, I already saw that code... 23.25.58 # but, do I need to first creat the file? 23.26.09 # casainho: How do you know that the write is correct if the read isn't? 23.26.13 # casainho: so you're trying to verify untested SD reading code using even more untested SD writing code? 23.26.33 Join tvelocity[away] [0] (n=tony@adsl17-138.her.forthnet.gr) 23.26.41 Quit tvelocity[a] (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.27.00 Quit Jaykay ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 23.27.03 # hey, wait -- first I can try to write a known patern!!! 23.27.10 # casainho: cant you just read out the memory with your debugging interface, and check it this way ? 23.27.25 # domonoky1: I don't know how to do it.... 23.28.07 # BigBambi: and if I can write correctly that patern, they I can write any other file... 23.28.20 # er.... 23.28.51 # casainho: anyway the rockbox code has plenty of examples of how to write file. You should be able to find some easily 23.30.34 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.31.27 # gevaerts: but maybe already created files... 23.31.37 # casainho: no 23.31.44 # I looked at file.h 23.31.44 # Have you looked? 23.31.54 # but there is no description of the functions :-( 23.32.23 # yes, to file.c and fat.c 23.32.52 # If you want examples of how to write a file, you need to look at places where files are written 23.34.02 # can you give an example? I am used to llok at bootloader files... but there is no need to write on bootloader 23.34.49 # Anywhere. recording, playlists, settings, file browser,... There are lots of places in rockbox that write files... 23.35.05 # Many plugins as well 23.35.27 Quit tvelocity (Connection timed out) 23.37.56 # ok, thanks -- I am looking now to settings.c 23.38.57 # I have one question about pointers 23.39.04 # for example here: 23.39.05 # static bool write_nvram_data(char* buf, int max_len) 23.39.29 # char* buf means that *buf is a pointer? 23.39.56 # I don't understand why char if address is a 32 bits value... ? 23.40.31 # c200v1 --- With the current build does the RB firmware charge the battery? 23.40.45 # casainho: this channel really isn't for absolute beginner C questions 23.41.11 # gevaerts: okok 23.43.34 # what means "O_TRUNC"? on open(FILE_NAME,O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_WRONLY); ? 23.44.39 # casainho: have you tried google? 23.44.52 # no 23.48.47 Join MethoS-- [0] (n=lem@dyndsl-085-016-166-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.52.09 Quit lee321987 ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]") 23.53.10 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.53.36 Quit tvelocity[away] (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.54.50 Quit MethoS-- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.58.38 Join lee321987 [0] (n=chatzill@05-033.244.popsite.net)