--- Log for 13.03.109 Server: grisham.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 6 days ago 00.00.00 # kugel: What do you mean? 00.00.29 # rasher: what Llorean said a few minutes ago 00.00.30 # There's one perfectly valid ID3v1 tag. And one perfectly valid ID3v2 tag. Rockbox decides that it's had enough after reading the v2 tag. 00.01.45 # I don't think we need id3v1 at all, but supporting a mix of v1 and v2 seems even worse to me 00.01.58 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 00.02.11 Part Llorean 00.03.04 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@79.97.77.138) 00.03.27 # Telling a user "this file has no tags" while it is in fact fully tagged is just stupid. 00.03.35 # I don't see how you can argue otherwise. 00.04.36 # Unless we've adopted a policy of lying to the user when we think they're doing something slightly out of the ordinary and no one told me 00.06.57 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@unaffiliated/homielowe) 00.07.06 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 00.07.11 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.08.38 # rasher: lying? Do we explicitly tell we support mixed tags? I don't think we're lying of the user expects this to be supported because desktop apps do 00.09.14 # It's just a matter of documenting it. Supporting the mixture is bad practice, IMO 00.09.47 # That's a cop-out. "We didn't say we explicitly supported ______ so expecting it is your own fault, no matter how weird it is" 00.10.16 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.10.22 # Bad practice why? 00.10.55 # It makes perfect sense "the first tag I tried was obviously incomplete, let's try the next *that I would have read anyway if the first one wasn't there*" 00.11.46 Quit fyrestorm ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]") 00.11.58 # * gevaerts is on rasher's side on this one 00.13.27 # By the way, what is up with flyspray putting linebreaks in mail subjects? 00.13.35 # Pretty poor form 00.15.45 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.17.47 # * bluebrother is with rasher on the id3 tag issue and leaves for sleep 00.17.57 Quit bluebrother ("bye") 00.19.14 Quit MTee ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]") 00.19.58 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 00.20.38 Join moos [0] (i=Mustapha@rockbox/staff/moos) 00.22.00 # How about an id3v2 tag with no frames (again, perfectly valid), should Rockbox also throw its hands in the air and say "I'm done!" after "reading" that? 00.22.47 Quit barrywardell () 00.23.25 # rasher: it's bad practice because mixing v1 and v2 is bad practice. supporting bad practice is bad practice too 00.24.04 # "It's bad because it's bad and it's bad because I say so." 00.24.09 # we used to have an option of which to read v1 or v2 first, that was removed I tihnk because it wass decided v2 obviously deprecated v1... so if a file has any v2 tags at all v1 should be ignored 00.24.27 # kugel: that logic leads to implementing a single lossless codec 00.25.08 # JdGordon|: That doesn't necessarily follow at all 00.25.12 # it's all up to personal opinions, of course 00.25.44 # It also leads to removing all handling of unconventional files. 00.25.52 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.25.52 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 00.25.54 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.25.55 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.26.05 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.26.05 # gevaerts: Uhm, I don't think so 00.26.13 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.26.38 # v1 should be ignored entirely, imo. Let it die, we have v2 now, which is obviously better 00.26.53 # kugel: sure. You can transcode from one lossless codec to another without bad effects, so more than one lossless codec is useless. Lossy codecs lose qualiy, so they're useless too 00.26.55 # kugel: APE should be ignored entirely, imo. Let it die, we have FLAC, which is obviously better. 00.27.06 # gevaerts: there is a difference between supporting choice and taking deprecated tags when the replacement is there 00.27.19 # JdGordon|: The replacement *IS NOT THERE* 00.27.22 # rasher: Dude, that's entirely different 00.27.22 # can somebody explain me how timers work in Rockbox? 00.27.29 # kugel: It's exactly the same. 00.27.31 Join mark___ [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-235-224-88.mco.bellsouth.net) 00.27.36 # FLAC isn't APEv2 00.27.45 # rasher: if the v2 header is there then they are there... regardless of its contents 00.28.00 # you sholdnt have broken tags which is what this is... 00.28.02 # JdGordon|: So even if the tag doesn't have any information, that' 00.28.04 # id3v2 succeeds id3v1. FLAC "competes" with APE. That's so not the same 00.28.04 # JdGordon|: So even if the tag doesn't have any information, that's more than enough 00.28.08 # JdGordon|: THEY ARE NOT BROKEN 00.28.37 Join arohtar [0] (n=faemir@88-106-169-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.28.42 # Do you blame microsoft for not supporting win3.1 anymore too? 00.28.48 Nick mark___ is now known as caspy7 (n=chatzill@adsl-235-224-88.mco.bellsouth.net) 00.29.00 # * n1s wonders why all the yelling is necessary 00.29.01 # kugel: You're making a fool of yourself. 00.29.08 # * gevaerts decides to only support linux with the USB stack. The others are obsolete anyway 00.29.17 # rasher: is there a 1:1 mapping of v2 to v2 tags? 00.29.20 # rasher: You are when you comparing with ape vs flac 00.29.32 # rasher: to take your argument further (search in the v1 tag if something is missing in the v2) would mean - always read both tags - or your method will work for *some* tags that we chosen to be the most important ones. Or people will ask "why isn't it reading e.g.the genre tag that's in my v1 tags but not in the v2 while it works with album?" 00.29.41 # kugel: I never said they were the exact same, I'm saying the logic leads to that thinking. 00.29.53 # pixelma: I never said *always* read both tags. 00.29.55 # rasher: "rasher> kugel: It's exactly the same." 00.30.06 # kugel: The same situation. And it is. 00.30.32 # JdGordon|: I've no idea what you're saying. 00.30.42 # then it's the same for win XP+ and win 3.1 00.30.58 # I'm not making a fool of myself more than you. 00.31.07 # kugel: Not at all. It's in no way relevant to Rockbox. 00.31.12 # But I'm done with this discussion now, hiding in my fool corner 00.31.20 # Thank you. 00.31.38 # rasher: i'm saying... how can you know if a tag is missing in v2 if you dont have a mapping of which v1 tags are equivilant to v2? 00.31.54 # JdGordon|: We've been through that. Read back 00.32.13 # * JdGordon| will have to read and return to argue later tonight after work 00.32.15 # If there's not a single displayable v2 tag, use v1. If there is at least one, use v2 00.32.29 Quit arohtar (Client Quit) 00.33.34 # replaygain tags (or at least their type) are displayable 00.33.38 # perhaps it's a shot in the dark that anyone would have knowledge of this, but I just got a refurbished sansa c240 player and I went to put it in MSC mode, but the USB menu option described in the instruciton manual is not present so I can't do it 00.33.44 # anyone seen this before? 00.33.45 # thats not whats the task bug says though.. there is a difference between no tags at all, and missing tags 00.34.06 # also, how can I know if this is a 1.0 or a 2.0 player to it's supportable by rockbox? 00.34.06 # caspy7: I think you need to downgrade or upgrade your OF 00.34.17 # caspy7: Check the firmware version 00.34.28 # rasher: what does OF stand for? 00.34.33 # Original Firmware 00.34.40 # rasher: how can I check the firmware? 00.34.50 # i think theres a FAQ entry for this on the wiki 00.34.53 # It's somewhere in the menus 00.34.53 # i'd check there 00.34.55 # rasher: I know, but if you start to support the mixture halfway people won't understand why you don't do it completely 00.35.17 # gevaerts: I suppose set_serial_descriptor() needs to be unique to each device? 00.35.27 # mcuelenaere: yes 00.35.46 # pixelma: This isn't true if you use the "any displayable (in the WPS) tag" method 00.36.01 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 00.36.10 # [00:33:34] replaygain tags (or at least their type) are displayable 00.37.05 # rasher: whats the difference between displayable tags and generally used tags? 00.37.45 # replaygain tags are defiently important even if they cant be displayed in the wps 00.38.13 # I don't see what you're getting at 00.39.36 # that example track had some valid v2 tags... if it has any at all then v1 tags should be ignored completly (im happy to check v1 IF there is no v2 tags, or only the header) 00.39.52 # but if there is a single v2 tag we know about then v1 has to be ignored 00.40.10 Quit ender (" An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness. -- Margaret Atwood") 00.41.34 # So we can point at users and laugh at their "invalid" (because we say so) tags? 00.41.45 # Why not do the right thing and actually work *for* the user? 00.42.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.24 # which is why i asked before... how can you merge the 2 sets of tags (giving v2 priority) if you dont know how to map v1 to v2 tags? 00.42.29 # Rather than spitefully ignoring his tags that are actually there 00.43.08 # JdGordon|: We've done that for years! Stop being willfully obtuse 00.43.29 # * JdGordon| is confused 00.43.41 Join gregorovius [0] (n=diego@190.55.80.21) 00.43.58 # gevaerts: what should I do if there's no unique identifier? 00.44.05 # We've supported v1 and v2 for many years and managed to display them in the WPS just fine 00.44.12 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 00.44.13 # oh you went to sleep 00.45.04 Quit faemir (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.45.29 # if thats what we've supported for years, and they are being shown in the wps they are being loaded... so whats the rpoblem? 00.45.56 # JdGordon|: FS#10016. 00.46.02 # rasher: your method would say they are invalid for some too, just at a later point 00.46.14 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=baduser@c-68-62-18-116.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.46.22 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-169-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.46.42 # pixelma: So we shouldn't improve the situation because there might still be corner-cases? 00.48.07 Quit pbxy ("Leaving") 00.48.41 Part toffe82 00.50.30 # I just don't like the perspective of always reading both tags, which I could *imagine* to happen if corner-case affected people demand more (and then have an additional argument that it's partially supported) 00.52.37 Quit miepchen^schla () 00.52.45 # There's no such slippery slope. 1) I can't come up with any actual valid cases 2) Implementing code that leads to *always* reading both tags is easy to reject on performance reasons. 00.53.06 Join _Auron_ [0] (n=DarkAuro@ppp-70-249-146-14.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.53.14 # it has to be always.... 00.53.55 # It really really doesn't. 00.54.12 # if its possible than even one v1 tag is there when a v2 tag is missing then you always have to read both 00.54.30 # are there any sources for the cabbiev2 theme? 00.54.41 # once again i think the idea was to ignore TXXX frames, not diff the two tags 00.54.54 # JdGordon|: This has been explained again and again. 00.55.01 # mcuelenaere: yes theres actually a theme file for it, although the version you get by default is hard coded 00.55.05 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579EC44F.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.55.14 # its on the themes wiki 00.55.19 # mcuelenaere: What kind of source, the images? 00.55.30 # yes, more specifically the background image 00.55.35 # (I need a bigger version for the Onda) 00.55.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DefaultWPS/cabbie2graphics.zip 00.55.47 # thanks 00.56.29 # It was a bit messy in GIMP, but I managed to extract the volume meter at least. 00.56.49 # hmm Photoshop complains about missing fonts 00.56.57 # what size screen is the onda? 00.57.19 Quit StealthyXIIGer () 00.57.33 # 400x240 (or 240x400) 00.57.35 # mcuelenaere: I guess gimp didn't even try to do anything with fonts 00.57.41 # currently it's set to 240x400 00.57.45 # ok 00.57.58 # * mcuelenaere isn't sure which to choose 00.58.14 # does it have a dock? 00.58.31 # nope 00.58.55 # * JdGordon| thinks we should supply 2 different builds for the touchscreen targets so people can choose which orientation they prefer 00.59.08 # hmm the cabiev2 background theme source is 220x176? how did they generate 320x240 of that? 00.59.23 # JdGordon|: that, or dynamic rotation 00.59.33 # yeah, or that 00.59.35 # saratoga: can you explain in a few words for someone uninformed what TXXX tags can be (contain)? 01.00.01 Quit _Auron_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.00.02 # JdGordon|: how hard would it be to have it configurable at runtime? 01.00.05 # pixelma: Any name=value pair. It's impossible to know in advance. 01.00.17 # I don't think RAM for shipping both codes is an issue on these targets 01.00.18 # kugel: LCD_WIDTH & LCD_HEIGHT are #define's.. 01.00.32 Join _Auron_ [0] (n=DarkAuro@ppp-70-249-146-14.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.00.42 # or are you talking about something else? 01.00.44 # ahh, I got it wrong, sorry 01.00.45 # It would certainly require major surgey to the Rockbox code 01.01.00 # yea, I thought the talk was about the keymap, sorry 01.01.04 # rasher: huh? So even album, artist etc? 01.01.10 # s/keymap/input method/ 01.01.22 # touchscreens dont have keymaps so its easier... 01.01.28 # a rotationable input method? 01.01.29 # or wont once the ui is working properly 01.01.38 # pixelma: I don't see why you'd put it there unless you're inventing your own tagging, but yes. No programs will read that though 01.01.44 # (and rightfully so) 01.01.45 # but it's grid vs "the other method" (what ever that is called) 01.02.03 # pixelma: But it's really just for freeform named text content 01.02.15 # kugel: 'normal' touch input? 01.02.31 # IMO the grid is a bit of a hack 01.02.36 # oh it's the "normal"? Why is the grid one the default, then 01.02.44 # because not all screens are ported 01.02.58 # yeah, the grid isnt very useful 01.02.58 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 01.03.13 # but you can choose at runtime between each? 01.03.17 # * JdGordon| hopes to do touchscreen work on sunday thanks to kkurbjun's latest effort 01.03.20 # rasher: aha, so not the standard way of tagging 01.03.21 # not on all targets I think 01.03.29 # pixelma: Certainly not 01.03.45 # kugel: untill everything is working, screens will say which method to use.. 01.04.18 # JdGordon|: may I ask what happened to your wps-next-track rework? 01.04.41 # you have a hwcodec target now, and I'd like to see it in svn 01.04.59 # i havnt got my desktop back yet, and no cable to connect the archos to a comp 01.05.07 # i get both of them tomorow though 01.05.36 # ah cool 01.05.47 # having a target also doesn't mean knowing its code by hard 01.06.10 # touchscreen work might jump the queue though 01.06.12 # You don't need to tell me 01.06.32 # but it aids testing, and thus resolving remaining 01.06.38 # issue 01.07.00 # well ths one is impossible to get anywhere without the hwcodec because testing hasnt helped much 01.07.18 # s/.../ the people who know the code havnt helped out 01.07.44 # * JdGordon| heads home 01.07.46 # yea 01.07.49 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.10.45 # wps-next-track rework? What's that do? 01.14.57 # amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9795 01.17.19 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 01.18.37 # how can I trigger wpsbuild.pl with make? 01.18.48 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 01.19.58 # mcuelenaere: "make install"? 01.20.35 # or make tar etc. I believe the themes & fonts aren't done during normal make 01.20.38 # kugel: doesn't 'make zip' also does this? 01.20.53 # see above ;) 01.21.22 # :) anyway, I'm doing something wrong as cabbie isn't showing up in my wps folder.. 01.21.46 # That patch seems to cause more problems than it's fixing... 01.22.14 # kugel: does http://pastebin.com/m48aee274 look correct? 01.23.07 Join tarbo_ [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 01.23.36 # mcuelenaere: Do you you have the wps done? 01.23.53 # what do you mean with 'having the wps done'? 01.23.56 # You need to have the .wps complete, else the .cfg won't be build either 01.24.25 # oh so there needs to be a cabbiev2.240x400x16.wps file? 01.24.30 # yea 01.25.41 # * mcuelenaere basically stretched the background of the gigabeat cabbiev2 and made sure the controls stayed on the same position 01.25.47 Quit killan_ ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 01.26.25 # rasher: How's the theme site going? Is it close to committing? 01.26.46 # Or rather, is it close to being a theme site? 01.27.00 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD9545730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.27.15 Quit midijunkie (Client Quit) 01.27.23 # I've not really done anything with it since the weekend. Just pushed some changes to the git repository though 01.27.44 # So what's left on the to-do list? 01.28.09 # * linuxstb sees the site has a TODO list... 01.29.05 # rasher: Are they all things you consider necessary before making it live? 01.29.18 # I think we can live without some of them 01.29.21 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.21 # amiconn: it doesnt cause any problems... hwcodec is broken with the patch though which is why i have been asking for help on it for 2 months 01.29.54 # There are several problems for swcodec mentioned which you just put aside as "unimportant" 01.29.54 # linuxstb: The short term ones are essential I think. And we probably also *need* logging 01.30.12 # And I doN#t understand what this patch is trying to fix... wps does work, doesn't it? 01.30.18 # JdGordon: The task says that it breaks runtime data collection though? 01.30.25 # linuxstb: Because something will go wrong, and we'll want to know whodunnit 01.30.34 # linuxstb: not intentionally... 01.31.00 # Also, I would be a lousy tester for that stuff. I don't use runtime data, I don't use cuesheets, I don't use next track info... 01.31.03 # JdGordon: That's even worse than breaking it intentionally... 01.31.37 Quit jeffronius (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.31.57 # amiconn: sure, but the hwcodedc bugs are apparently painfully obvious... and you know the area (at least more than me) 01.32.57 # linuxstb: yes, but thats only a problem if its ready to be comited.. which this isnt 01.33.34 # The brokenness is about next track info, which none of my wps'es has 01.33.47 # why does have WPSLIST have backdrops/cabbiev2.* listed? (and stating it's the source filename) Shouldn't that be cabbiev2/wpsbackdrop-* ? 01.34.28 # But the point here is that next track info on hwcodec only becomes availbale when the first part of next track is buffered, i.e. usually *between* track changes 01.34.51 # So only doing a full redraw of trackchange is fundamentally broken behaviour on hwcodec 01.35.07 # that shouldnt make a difference... the patch tries to let the WPS know when that info is avilable 01.35.21 # and when the wps gets that event it does a full redraw 01.36.08 Quit tarbo (Connection timed out) 01.36.16 # * JdGordon doesnt really remember what problems that patch was done to fix :p 01.36.46 Quit Conic () 01.37.24 # JdGordon: seems to be related to the cue sheet patch, which revealed some problems 01.37.32 # according to an early comment 01.37.37 # ah yes 01.38.59 # basically the problem is that wps and playback both implement track change codes, it should be all done in playback 01.39.02 # Aha, a new event 01.39.23 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-02fc70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 01.39.30 # fading on pause is only done in wps, which is broken imo. the same goes for skip length and other stuff 01.39.43 Quit _jhMikeS_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.40.05 # (and it appeared to me, that the patch tries to clean those things up) 01.40.11 # amiconn: ? 01.44.08 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.47.03 # .... amiconn: what was "aha, a new event" meant to mean? good or bad? 01.47.55 # mcuelenaere: I think that's the menu backdrop, the WPS backdrop should only be specified in the .wps file 01.48.31 # oh ok, thanks 01.49.17 # Just that you added another even for next track info availability 01.51.58 # is that a bad thing? or nuetral? 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I extracted Rockbox into the right partition, but my Gigabeat still tells me "File not found". Can anybody help? 04.33.00 Quit dmb (Remote closed the connection) 04.38.08 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.39.56 Quit blkhawk (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.40.19 Nick blkhawk- is now known as blkhawk (n=blkhawk@e176252040.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.42.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.45.54 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD9545730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.51.32 Quit pathologic__ ("Ex-Chat") 04.53.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 04.55.30 Quit midijunkie ("?(???~•~)?") 04.59.31 Quit obo ("Bye") 05.06.19 Join izzle [0] (n=izzle@180.134.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 05.11.26 Join countrymonkey [0] (n=4b05639a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-33f264ed178d23f9) 05.11.49 # Could fs#10004 please be looked at? 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I guess we should do something about the physical sector size thing as those disks will probably become more widespread 08.31.12 # Problem is, if we increase MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE to 4096, it will both waste RAM for all other users *and* be slower for those 4KB-sector drives 08.31.58 # Those drives are able to split/join sectors themselves, which is more efficient than rockbox doing it 08.32.32 # A new build? 08.32.42 # Just the original 80GB ipod video's hdd isn't, and hence needs rockbox doing it 08.33.07 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.33.45 # I think that since it's a firmware quirk in that specific drive, the ata driver should probably check for that specific drive, and only do internal large sector management for this drive. 08.34.59 # Another alternative would be probing the drive, if a name check is undesired 08.35.17 Quit izzle ("Leaving") 08.35.49 # I.e. try a 512-byte read, and if the drive responds with IDNF, enable large sector handling 08.38.05 Quit nuonguy ("This computer has gone to sleep") 08.38.53 # if you are fairly certain this is only done by those drives i think a name check is fine (if it's significantly simpler than the probe) 08.41.12 # Someone (I don't remember who) tested rockbox on such a disk with MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE set to 4096 versus MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE being undefined. The latter still worked and gave better performance 08.42.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.23 Join Bagderr [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.43.47 Nick Bagderr is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.44.55 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@adsl24-106.her.forthnet.gr) 08.45.39 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCB20.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.53.25 Join lucent [0] (i=lucent@unaffiliated/shadows) 08.54.05 # Hi, how is Sansa Fuze port coming along since I last dropped in a month ago? 08.54.22 # still data > 1GB issues? 08.57.14 # lucent: I think so. You can check the changelog for what's been committed related to the fuze - http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html 08.57.41 # good link, thanks linuxstb 08.58.29 # It's the "since 4 weeks" link on the front page (underneath the last 5 svn commits) 08.58.37 # Or rather "last four weeks" 08.58.52 Part homielowe 09.03.18 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.03.47 # r20058: Fix occasional power button ghost presses and get rid of the delay which was needed to reduce the ghost presses (i.e. don't read power button too during lcd updates) 09.03.50 # Yay! 09.04.01 # I swore there was something strange going on with my 8GB fuze :P 09.06.13 Join Schlowe [0] (n=homielow@d206-116-134-81.bchsia.telus.net) 09.07.53 Quit Schlowe (Client Quit) 09.07.57 Join Schlowe [0] (n=homielow@d206-116-134-81.bchsia.telus.net) 09.08.35 Part Schlowe 09.09.15 Join pyro_maniac1 [0] (i=foobar@p57BBA382.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.09.57 Join chloweeri [0] (n=homielow@d206-116-134-81.bchsia.telus.net) 09.10.57 Part chloweeri 09.11.02 # B4gder: so, did you want to go ahead and submit the org application? (unless anyone else had any other thoughts...) 09.11.21 # ah right, I'll go and do that right now 09.11.50 # and for the record, their gsoc logo for 2009 is uglier than ever before ;-) 09.12.01 # shhhh! 09.14.47 # * linuxstb visits http://code.google.com and doesn't think much of the Google I/O logo either, but that's not easy to create a logo for... 09.15.51 # I like it 09.16.06 # The I/O logo? it's too frail 09.16.14 # and their web app is always as impossible to even grasp 09.16.19 # * scorche notes that this isnt -community 09.16.22 # man they confuse me 09.16.27 # looks more like ICO 09.16.34 # B4gder: what part? 09.16.43 # keep in mind that you have to create a profile for you first 09.16.44 # lucent: haha 09.16.46 # how to apply as a mentor org part 09.16.51 # somehow, it does :D 09.17.00 # scorche: that too is puzzling to me 09.17.10 # bubsy: anyways I can say with an informed guess that the logo wasn't their top priority. 09.17.10 # and I think I screwed up just now 09.17.19 # B4gder: feel free to move to PM if you need help.. 09.17.39 # I wouldn't worry that the logo being attractive or not attractive would impact development as relating to RB 09.17.50 # I thought "link id" was for the project, so I wrote "rockbox" and now I think it is for me personally and I can't edit the field anymore... 09.18.04 # ugh....i was afraid you would say that =/ 09.18.24 # link_ids are permanent... 09.18.32 # haha, ccrrrrrrap 09.18.44 Join homielowe [0] (n=homielow@unaffiliated/homielowe) 09.19.56 # Is the main programming period of May 23 to Aug 24 the same as previous years? It strikes me as very early. 09.20.20 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 09.20.43 # Is that when the US summer break is? 09.21.40 # college students I think have a break at the beginning of April, or maybe that is highschool 09.21.45 # first two weeks or so 09.22.02 # B4gder: well, we get to wait a while now and hope a single solitary person comes online so he can delete you... 09.22.10 # hej Bagder, så du är svensk? :> 09.23.05 # bubsy: yah, Rockbox even originated in good old Sweden 09.23.14 # (-: 09.23.18 # I'm Norwegian tho' 09.23.53 Quit pyro_maniac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.31 # I wonder which country has the largest amount of committers now 09.25.07 # it might be US 09.30.47 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 09.45.35 Quit planetbeing () 09.47.05 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 09.58.53 Join planetbeing [0] (n=planetbe@pool-173-74-164-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 10.03.28 Join caspy7 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-235-224-88.mco.bellsouth.net) 10.04.17 # so, what's it mean when I install rockbox and start up my player and it eternally blinks the rockbox startup screen at me? 10.05.22 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 10.05.50 Quit bmbl (Client Quit) 10.06.13 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.06.48 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 10.08.12 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 10.11.02 # caspy7: must mean that something went wrong. (More info, like the name of the player you're using could help) 10.12.56 # sansa c240 10.13.07 # I installed and uninstalled twice 10.13.27 # What's the "rockbox startup screen" ? i.e. exactly what do you see on the screen? 10.14.22 # sheesh...I'd have to redo it real quick to tell you, I know it's got the rockbox logo 10.15.27 # is saying the logo enough, or would more info be provided if I reinstalled? 10.15.47 # caspy7: that usually means that you only installed the bootloader, not the actual rockbox 10.16.09 # the c200 bootloader has a bug that it just loops if it can't find the main binary 10.16.37 # loops flashing the logo, and _very_ briefly "could not find ..." 10.17.21 # caspy7: how are you installing? 10.17.54 # yeah, that sounds about right, but I (attempted to) installed both, first I tried the Quick start, then I tried the separate ones under the Installation Tab 10.18.03 # using the RockBox Utility 10.18.40 # if the install worked you should have a .rockbox dir with the rockbox files in it in the root of the player 10.18.47 # n1s: Has that been fixed in SVN? Looking at main-pp.c, it seems to be the case for all bootloaders using that file... 10.19.27 # linuxstb: don't know, it's definitely present in the 5.0 version (current official version) 10.19.46 # ok, I'll install and see what's in the filesystem 10.19.49 # Ah no, just if OLD_BOOTFILE is not defined - it's defined for e200 and h10... 10.20.35 # what does OLD_BOOTFILE mean? 10.21.03 # I think it's the old format for the main Rockbox binary, before we swiched to using mi4 files. 10.21.15 # ok, I just installed the bootloader, I'm curious, where is that kept? 10.21.16 # i.e. the normal scramble -add format. 10.21.32 # caspy7: in a hidden firmware partition 10.21.39 # ...ah 10.22.02 # linuxstb: ok, so it shouldn't be defined for c200? 10.22.27 # I think it's probably safe to just remove that now. 10.22.34 # yeah 10.22.38 # i.e. it was just a transitional thing. 10.22.57 # ok, so I clicked to install Rockbox and it went through progress items and ended with Installation finished successfully 10.23.10 # maybe this fix should go into the release version of the bootloader? 10.23.17 # what should I see in the filesystem? how can I check? 10.23.38 # caspy7: if the install worked you should have a .rockbox dir with the rockbox files in it in the root of the player 10.23.40 # n1s: Yes, I think so. 10.24.17 # linuxstb: I do not 10.24.28 # the installer utility is lying to me 10.24.42 # ok, i'll be happy to test if someone fixes it, too busy with exams to hack on it 10.24.59 # also, I noticed that the rockbox installation, despite all the various progress items seeming to be present, goes extremely quickly 10.25.00 # What OS are you using (Windows, OS X, Linux?) Some file browsers will hide ".rockbox" 10.25.10 # OS X 10.25.37 # Then that will hide it. 10.25.43 # (if you're just using Finder) 10.26.04 # I think i've set it before to display hidden files...lemme look in prefs 10.26.56 # But I have a feeling there may be a bug in rbutil with combination of OS X and Sansa - I'm not sure though... 10.27.32 # anyone know off the top of their head the place in OS X finder where show hidden files would be...? 10.27.58 # caspy7: Did you do the "full install" or install the bootloader and Rockbox separately? There's a known bug relating to that - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Change_Log 10.28.53 # linuxstb: first I did the full install, then when the problem happened, I uninstalled and tried the separate go 10.31.13 # ok, I looked and there's no .rockbox 10.31.57 # There's .Trashes .Spotlight-V100 and .fseventsd 10.33.02 # caspy7: you could try a manual install then, just get the zip from rockbox.org and extract it to the player but beware of OSX's unzipping tool... 10.33.38 # n1s: why beware? 10.35.54 # argh, too many options and my brain's not working, all I'm seeing for downloads is the RockBox Utility installer, where would I find the zip? 10.36.00 # B4gder: Could be, but the US is huge - it ought to be EU or US rather than individual EU countries :) 10.36.11 # :-) 10.36.19 Join lightbul1jim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 10.37.32 # ok, may have found it on the releases page, rockbox-sansac200-3.1.zip yes? 10.38.41 # can anyone tell me why I need to beware the OS X unzipping tool when dealing with the zip? 10.39.23 Quit lightbulbjim (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10.40.36 # caspy7: some users have had problems with it creating extra dirs etc so i would recomend using a comand line tool 10.41.20 # or maybe it did something strange because the zip only contains a hidden dir 10.42.01 # n1s: here's what happened, I double clicked to unzip (I put it in it's own folder just in case) and it created a .rockbox folder full of stuff and a .DS_Store file, both invisible 10.42.16 # that sound good or would you still recommend a 3rd party? 10.42.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.42.41 Quit robin0800 ("Leaving") 10.42.45 Join lightbulbjim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 10.42.46 # caspy7: ok, as long as that .rockbox dir has all the stuff in it in the correct dir tree you just need to copy that to the root of the sansa 10.43.42 # n1s: done, what about .DS_Store? 10.43.51 # sounds unrelated 10.43.57 # probably some OSX thing 10.44.03 # ah 10.44.14 # yeah, that's a finder thing 10.44.18 # gotcha 10.44.31 # ok, am I ready to give it a go? 10.44.36 # think so 10.44.46 # k 10.45.18 # was it the 1.1 version of rbutil you tried? 10.46.48 # holy schnikies, I think it worked 10.46.52 # n1s: yes 10.47.20 # so it gave no error, just didn't install the files? 10.48.13 Join lightbul2jim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 10.48.47 # n1s: thing is, I remember at some point things didn't go right, I know it froze up once or twice and I had to kill it, but I don't remember if that was the first time or not 10.49.06 # my memory ain't so hot 10.49.16 # but subsequent installs gave no error 10.49.21 Quit AndyIL () 10.49.43 # ok, that's a bit bad... 10.49.44 # I know it gave at error when I did the 'quick' and it said that it couldn't install themes 10.50.14 # at least subsequent installs using the separate installer things 10.50.56 # then after it gave the themes warning there was nothing else, no 'success' or anything 10.52.26 # any recommendations for a theme? 10.56.33 Quit lightbul1jim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.58.14 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 10.58.45 Join lightbul1jim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 10.59.44 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 11.00.01 # you can try the shipped ones (not many on the c200 but still) and have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaC200 . I woldn't recommend one as it's a matter of taste 11.00.03 Join pewe_kodok [0] (n=Ruben@DialupBdg244-188.centrin.net.id) 11.00.24 # hello sll 11.01.24 # linuxstb: looking at the bootloader code, this seems like an easy fix but wouldn't we want to try to boot the OF if rockbox is not found? 11.01.30 # that reminds me that I still need to figure out why my own theme works 100% as intended in the sim but has a slight flaw on target (fg colour is wrong in one or two viewports) 11.02.55 # n1s: OF is generally bootable by hold + power 11.03.01 # n1s: I don't think we do on most other targets - we display a message so the user knows why Rockbox failed. But that often causes confusion, so yes, maybe show a message, wait 5 seconds, then start the original firmware would be sensible. 11.03.02 # so why... 11.03.11 Quit lightbulbjim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.03.25 # (people don't know what to do when their device is "stuck" in the rockbox bootloader) 11.03.53 # yes, that seems like the friendliest solution 11.04.15 # just need to rejig some of the logic 11.04.48 Quit planetbeing () 11.05.40 # thanks for your help n1s, linuxstb and everybody else 11.06.12 Join lightbulbjim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 11.07.42 Quit lightbul1jim (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.08.02 Quit caspy7 ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090305133223]") 11.14.39 # is there any reason to keep #if 0'ed code for dumping the fw partition around in the bootloader? 11.14.48 Quit lightbul2jim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.15.10 Join bimbel [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 11.20.05 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.27.56 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 11.31.54 Join lightbul1jim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 11.32.52 Join |ahmina| [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 11.33.08 Quit pewe_kodok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.34.28 Quit lymeca (Connection reset by peer) 11.34.51 # linuxstb: do you know much about the quicktime container and AAC codec? 11.35.24 # No. But isn't quicktime the same (or very similar) to mp4? 11.35.34 # yes, that's what I mean 11.35.57 # (but it's sometimes called quicktime in the source) 11.36.21 Quit bimbel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.25 # I'll wait for Lear 11.37.41 # I think we could rename a few functions anyway. Some are caled alac_... and are used in the demuxer for both alac and aac. 11.37.46 # Our "libm4a" was based on the ALAC decoder (I implemented ALAC in Rockbox first, then AAC was added), and then Lear did lots of work to improve it. 11.38.24 # (IIRC...) 11.39.08 Join pewe_kodok [0] (n=Ruben@DialupBdg244-210.centrin.net.id) 11.39.50 # I made a change which made it play back one of the files I have, but the ones that don't play don't have the mdat atom at the end and there is a comment which tells me that rockbox doesn't support that. 11.39.57 # I just don't know how to fix it. 11.40.28 # I get trouble installing rockbox on ipod video 5.5 11.41.11 # what i did convert FAT32 manually, using rbutil patch bootloader, and unzip rockbox manually 11.41.34 # pewe_kodok: After you converted to FAT32, did the Apple firmware still work? 11.41.46 # unzip to root dir, but when ipod restart "file not found" 11.41.47 # linuxstb: posted a patch for the pp bootloader at FS#10018 if you are interested 11.41.53 # yes it's work 11.42.15 # pewe_kodok: What did you use to do the actual format? Did you specify 2048-byte sectors? 11.42.19 # I can load apple firmware (hole menu button when restart) and play tunes 11.42.43 # Do you have a ".rockbox" directory in the root of your ipod, and a "rockbox.ipod" file inside there? 11.42.55 # I had "mkdosfs -F 32 -BS 2048 -n ipod /dev/sdb' at linux 11.43.14 # pewe_kodok: I'm assuming that was OK, as the Apple firmware seems happy. 11.44.21 # /dev/sdb? That looks wrong... 11.44.32 # yes, I put H:\.rockbox and rockbox.ipod inside 11.44.56 # oops sorry, incorrect typing 11.45.03 # /dev/sdb2 11.45.16 # what to check next? 11.45.49 # So you converted using Linux, and then installed manually (i.e. not using rbutil) in Windows? 11.46.06 # use rbutil @ win 11.46.26 # I used linux for dd & make FAT32 11.46.48 # couldn't figure out to patch bootloader manually 11.47.18 Quit lightbulbjim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.47.19 # Main firmware - 7561216 bytes 11.47.20 # Third-party bootloader - 48024 bytes 11.47.21 # Did you safely eject your ipod after running rbutil? 11.47.48 # after running rbutil, unzip rockbox then eject 11.48.16 # "safely remove" at right bottom cornet 11.48.24 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 11.48.36 # did I do something wrong? 11.49.42 # btw where I can download rockbox boot loader? 11.50.46 Quit jordan` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.53.30 Quit |ahmina| (SendQ exceeded) 11.54.38 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 12.00.48 # I will try this link http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod 12.10.42 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.12.17 Join pewe_kodok1 [0] (n=Ruben@DialupBdg244-246.centrin.net.id) 12.12.40 # try ipodpatcher manually, no luck 12.12.55 # any other suggestion what check 12.18.37 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 12.23.05 Part pewe_kodok1 12.25.34 Join tyfoo [0] (n=tyfoo@77-20-31-238-dynip.superkabel.de) 12.26.08 Quit lymeca (SendQ exceeded) 12.27.21 Quit pewe_kodok (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.27.33 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 12.28.18 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 12.34.06 Join VHF [0] (n=kvirc@76.89.64.229) 12.42.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.46.44 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.47.09 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 12.50.35 Join |ahmina| [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 12.52.42 Quit lymeca (Connection reset by peer) 12.54.04 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 12.54.23 Quit |ahmina| (SendQ exceeded) 12.54.51 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 12.56.08 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 12.57.47 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.58.40 Quit lymeca (SendQ exceeded) 13.12.53 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 13.15.00 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 13.27.31 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=44a04303@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 13.29.34 Join itcheg [0] (i=41d59de2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b5a190e67f13a6eb) 13.31.46 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 13.34.06 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 13.41.16 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! 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You probably have filesystem corruption 15.17.38 # it gives FAT: Filesystem panic" 15.17.55 # so I quess corruption is to be blamed 15.18.03 # any way to remedy that? 15.18.27 # fsck.vfat should help 15.19.20 # I don't have that. Which package had that tool? 15.19.27 # msdosutils... or something? 15.20.05 # ah, found it. Was dosfstools 15.23.30 # umm, I ran fsck.vfat /dev/sdb2 and it lists errors and gives option: 1) Correct 2) Don't correct but when I give 1 and press enter it just states that "Leaving filesystem unchanged" 15.25.27 # zmyrgel: Maybe it's still read-only? 15.26.01 # I umounted it for the check 15.27.20 # zmyrgel: I've seen that as well. If you run it with -a it corrects everyting automatically. Of course, if you're not sure that may not be the best thing to do. Do you have backups of everything on the ipod? 15.28.12 # well, everything except apple firmware 15.28.42 # ok. 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I don't think we ought to force the user through unnecessary hoops to use Rockbox just because v1 are a bit annoying 16.27.38 # LyrePlayer ? 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I already wondered how to pronounce it 17.09.36 Nick eragon55 is now known as eragon|busy (n=chatzill@dyn216-8-130-12.ADSL.mnsi.net) 17.10.19 Join nuonguy [0] (n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.13.26 # toffe82: There are MP3 players by two different companies named "Rockbox" and "Rocbox", I think "Lyra" and "Lyre" are about equally close. Does RCA even sell the Lyra any more? 17.14.23 # I don't think so 17.17.53 Nick n17ikh| is now known as n17ikh (n=n17ikh@130.127.74.89) 17.20.41 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.21.50 # midgey (for the logs): Did genlang (-u) become far slower? 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Does google choose a project based on the description, or do we get a couple of students assigned that we (rockbox) can find a fitting project for? 18.55.54 # * JdGordon__ buzzes scorche to answer coz im heading out 18.57.03 # bertrik: Students say "I'm interested in Project X" and write a proposal and try to convince us they're a good student. 18.57.28 # We rate student/project pairs in order of preference to us. Google then decides how many students we get, and we basically get our top X projects. 18.57.29 # and that the project is cool 18.58.39 # Llorean, thanks 18.58.39 # Yes. 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(should be white text on a black background) 21.40.40 # it's pretty much the sansa screen and then it switches to rockbox...then it hangs from there 21.41.18 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 21.41.24 # Is there any text on the screen, or just the Rockbox logo? 21.41.35 # Jrockz: You should try to be as precise as possible so that we can help. Can you tell us exactly what happens from when you switch the player on? 21.42.52 # ok.. 21.43.14 Quit evilnick ("mibbit.com: end of the week finally.") 21.43.41 # give me a sec...i will check again 21.45.45 # I turn it on and it shows the sansa screen for about a sec...then it switches to the rockbox logo and it shows the version on the bottom...that's where it hangs....i cannot do anything at this point 21.47.06 # What's the exact text at the bottom? 21.48.51 # ver. r20321-090313 21.49.21 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.49.49 # OK, so you've (sort-of) successfully installed the bootloader and Rockbox itself. The first thing I would do would be to check the disk in your sansa for errors (e.g. using chkdsk) 21.51.55 # ok, i did that and it found no problems 21.57.12 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm246.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 22.00.43 # Jrockz: Then I'm out of ideas. That's definitely not how Rockbox normally behaves.... You could try installing an older version of Rockbox - e.g. the 3.1 release. 22.00.46 Quit midijunkie ("?(???~•~)?") 22.01.22 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.12.244) 22.04.44 # hmm, are the tts engines not clever enough to pronounce bigger numbers correctly? I saw fml's commit and noticed that he spelled out the 38400 for the voice string and now asking myself if that's the safer route to go for other languages as well... 22.05.50 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD95472F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.07.03 # I mean "spelled out" as in writing: thirty eight thousand four hundred 22.07.41 # All the sapi5 engines I have don't need that 22.08.02 # pixelma: depends on which engine you're using. Some can parse numbers, others can't. My biggest pain is 01 - it's *always* zero one and not just one. 22.08.38 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.09.15 # Well, I'd expect a leading zero to make a tts switch to single digits instead of numbers 22.09.25 # Why else would you write it that way? 22.09.32 # I have to agree with amiconn there. 22.09.34 # So it will sort correctly ;) 22.09.39 # If there's a zero, don't assume it's a mistake. 22.10.04 # Well, in my case it's a file name, so linuxstb is correct -sorting is my primary concern. 22.10.45 # archivator: But you don't need that any more with Rockbox. 22.10.55 # to be more accurate, he didn't add it this way just corrected the spelling 22.11.05 # linuxstb: I still need it with my PC :) 22.16.06 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 22.17.58 # I guess it's not that important as "generated" numbers, e.g. if you let it announce free disk space in the info screen can give a different result anyways... 22.19.13 # * pixelma just looked at the "new" time-and-date screen for the first time on the c200 and it looks... wasteful :\\ 22.22.52 # why does it need a blank line above and below the current time and date field? It leaves only two lines for the menu items (with my user font which is ten I get the menu title - and with an 11 pixels tall one as the default is, it drops the title...) 22.23.55 # * bertrik agrees with pixelma 22.24.10 Quit sarixe` ("Leaving") 22.24.16 # how does it look on the clip? 22.24.24 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 22.24.29 # or e.g. an Archos Recorder 22.25.13 # the time and date screen on the clip looks basically the same as c200 22.25.38 Join gregorovius [0] (n=diego@190.55.80.21) 22.25.45 # ok, you'll be using a smaller font 22.26.26 Quit sarixe (Client Quit) 22.26.50 Quit dionoea (Remote closed the connection) 22.26.54 Join dionoea [0] (n=dionoea@yop.chewa.net) 22.27.18 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.29.07 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 22.30.15 Join Llorean1 [0] (n=DarkkOne@99.21.142.126) 22.30.30 Quit jaykay ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]") 22.31.38 Quit Llorean (Nick collision from services.) 22.31.40 Nick Llorean1 is now known as Llorean (n=DarkkOne@99.21.142.126) 22.31.59 # pixelma: I'd prefer a standard menu with maybe a "show time" entry too 22.32.07 Quit CaptainKwel ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.34.06 Quit lymeca (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.05 Quit crwl (Remote closed the connection) 22.35.22 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 22.35.25 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 22.35.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 22.35.36 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@a91-154-18-71.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 22.38.44 Join |ahmina| [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 22.39.21 Quit lymeca (Connection reset by peer) 22.39.45 Quit |ahmina| (SendQ exceeded) 22.40.05 Join lymeca [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 22.40.49 Quit Tuplanolla (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.40.56 Quit vertic39 () 22.40.57 Join Tuplanolla [0] (n=jani@unaffiliated/tuplanolla) 22.41.31 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.42.38 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm246.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 22.42.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.50 Quit robin0800 ("No Ping reply in 30 seconds.") 22.44.07 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.45.52 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@host86-130-15-147.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) 22.49.05 Quit archivator (""Kaboom!"") 22.51.03 Quit faemir (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.14 Part eusse 22.51.16 Join eusse [0] (n=eusse@201.232.44.56) 22.51.53 # pixelma: The generated numbers aren't composed by the tts engine, but by rockbox 22.52.03 # hi everyone 22.52.15 # amiconn: sure, I know 22.53.19 # Unfortunately the rules are hardcoded to English. Back in SH1-only times I had the idea to plug a language specific number composition function into the voice file, but that wouldn't have been trivial even back then, and is even more difficult today with 4 architecures 22.53.21 # hi eusse 22.53.30 # * Bagder is glad to see we have 25 build servers serving us now 22.53.35 # I'd like to know the latest news about Sansa Connect 22.53.53 # The news is: there are no news 22.54.11 # ok 22.54.14 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 22.54.15 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@71.238.148.140) 22.54.26 # There are 3 major problems: (1) the function would need to be 100% position independent code, because the voice file can be loaded anywhere. 22.54.38 # rasher: how much slower? 22.55.10 # (2) Depending on the language, additional clips might be necessary. Where would the go, and what ID should they get? 22.55.29 # (3) Swcodec sims have voice, and they can't execute target CPU code. 22.55.46 # what's the first job about this sansa connect 22.56.01 # amiconn: maybe an extra type of "plugin" buffer? 22.56.06 Join wincent [0] (n=5b600413@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8ce141a7bddd75c6) 22.56.15 Quit HBK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.56.30 # That would solve (1), but that's the easiest of the 3 anyway... 22.57.11 # It should also (make it possible to) solve (3), but that's probably the least important one 22.58.08 # You mean that it would be a special type of plugin as a separate file, i.e. not part of the voice file? 22.58.35 # yes 22.58.58 # That would rise the question how to store the various language specific versions 22.59.14 # I wouldn't want to add 25+ extra files just for that 23.00.31 # Hmm, actually they could be put into a single file. Simplest method - just concatenated. Might be a little difficult to handle in the loader though 23.01.29 Quit parafin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.53 Quit maraz (Remote closed the connection) 23.01.54 Join maraz [0] (i=maraz@xob.kapsi.fi) 23.02.01 # That still leaves (2). Maybe it can be solved with the plugin localisation/ voice framework 23.02.48 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.02.51 # You'd want this voice-plugin buffer to be adjacent to the audio buffer so you can reuse it if voice is disabled I guess 23.05.42 Join yhuang [0] (n=yhuang@unaffiliated/yhuang) 23.06.48 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.09.42 Join |ahmina| [0] (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) 23.10.10 Join gartral [0] (n=gareth@adsl-75-33-64-115.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) 23.10.13 Part gartral 23.12.32 Quit lymeca (Connection reset by peer) 23.14.04 Join lightbulbjim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 23.17.52 Quit lightbul1jim (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.19 # midgey: 2-3 times slower (guessing from how long my web page takes to update all languages. Maybe the server just got more busy) 23.18.52 # hmm, well it might be slower do to check the user tag. it accesses a hashmap for each phrase 23.18.57 Part Aurix_Lexico 23.19.02 # but 2-3 times seems a bit much 23.20.28 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.20.58 Quit petur (Remote closed the connection) 23.22.57 Quit Llorean ("Leaving.") 23.24.46 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.26.03 # anyone got an idea on bnv in arm assembly? Branch on null value? 23.26.08 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.28.08 Join Aurix_Lexico [0] (n=comrade@c-68-56-205-239.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 23.32.51 Nick advcomp2019_ is now known as advcomp2019 (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.32.51 Quit wincent ("CGI:IRC (Error)") 23.32.56 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@2001:470:1f0b:81:0:0:0:1) 23.33.17 Quit parafin (Client Quit) 23.33.20 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.38.44 # FlynDice: afaik that doesn't exist... What ARM CPU is that for? 23.38.53 # FlynDice: That doesn't exist. Check the opcode what it actually is 23.39.12 # ok e200v2 disassm... 23.39.22 # disassembled with what? 23.39.47 # the tool that's included w/rockbox 23.40.15 # Don't trust that - see what arm-elf-objdump gives 23.41.21 # been crosschecking both but the objdump isn't helping as much. Is it usually better? 23.42.01 # Looks like the arm disassembler idsassembles a condition field of 0b1111 ("never" == "nv" for really old arm) as that 23.42.36 # Could just be a typo? b and n are next to eachother 23.42.38 # But the more recent arm versions redefied those opcodes to mean something entirely different 23.42.39 # The e200v2 firmware is a mixture of arm and thumb code - are you sure this isn't thumb you're looking at? 23.42.54 Quit synergist ("changing servers") 23.43.03 # (the Rockbox disassembler only supports ARM afaik) 23.43.04 Join synergist [0] (i=christop@cant.be-arsed.co.uk) 23.43.07 # rasher: utils/disassembler/arm/disasm_arm.c line 15ff 23.43.47 # Line what? 23.44.04 # 15 onwards 23.44.08 # 15 and following 23.44.19 # Hmm. "In ARMv4, any instruction with a condition field of 0b1111 is UNPREDICTABLE" 23.44.31 # ARMv5 and above actually put something there 23.44.48 # And what's AMS? Just v4? 23.44.52 Part Aurix_Lexico 23.45.04 # yes 23.45.07 # here's a line " 2520: faa2f000 bnv 0xfe8be528" v4 I think 23.45.26 # That just looks like a constant 23.46.54 # It seems to disassemble data. Btw, objdump does the same, just that it knows 'nv' is invalid for armv4, and it will output .word 0xnnnnnnn in such a case 23.47.51 # ok thanks, I think I've found most of the mmu code with the dissassembly. The obj dump completely obscured it. 23.49.09 Part eusse 23.50.01 # what package from ubuntu intrepid am I missing: /home/sascha/rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory 23.50.12 # that's the error i get when trying to compile (make) 23.51.38 # Is this clean Rockbox sources? 23.52.22 # yes 23.52.41 # clean build directory? 23.52.42 # Make clean and reconfigure.. 23.53.02 # make clean, check if there's nothing unexpected left, then reconfigure 23.53.15 # and see that perl is installed 23.56.40 # ok, not sure why id didn't work the first time around, now it seems to work 23.57.12 # removed build dir completely 23.58.21 # A few days (weeks?) ago there was a change that moved some files around, and it made make clean not clean everything properly if cleaning an older build with a newer revision 23.58.55 # well, funny thing is, I got the error the first time around.