--- Log for 11.04.109 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 24 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.17 # I'll do it once I have your name 00.00.41 # i cannot make a (at) on this vm O.o ... gonna google it and copy/paste xD 00.01.11 # at? 00.01.56 # @ 00.02.36 # done installing the compiler 00.03.03 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.42 # the wiki refers to the stable rockbox ,what files should i get for testing? 00.05.05 # what patches? 00.05.40 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.45 # what do you mean? 00.06.06 Join DrMoos [0] (i=mustapha@81-66-158-88.rev.numericable.fr) 00.06.11 # where does it refer to stable rockbox? 00.06.27 Quit moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.06.30 # i think so at least 00.06.34 Quit DrMoos (Client Quit) 00.06.48 Join moos [0] (i=mustapha@rockbox/staff/moos) 00.06.48 # what files do i need if i want to get your latest work for testing ? 00.07.18 # first try compiling an unchanged build to make sure it all works 00.07.43 # and get shared folders up in Vbox 00.08.40 # now iam doing svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox 00.08.54 # did you do that already? 00.09.28 # not done so far 00.09.43 # now 00.10.03 # sorry for asking so much but i never compiled before and iam not quite sure about what the wiki says 00.10.27 # now i got /rockbox in my home dir containing several folders 00.10.59 # Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling ? 00.11.23 # :D there is a simple version? thank god! 00.11.32 # gonna work trough it 00.14.39 # Arez-l you can skip to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling#Compiling 00.16.26 # also, before you can get Rockbox to work you'll need the bootloader http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS#Bootloader_Installation 00.18.05 # sry, didnt see your msg, i followed the guide already up to compiling but i get some errors (http://pastie.org/443290) 00.19.40 # arez-l: after you ran rockboxdev.sh did you put the cross compilers into your PATH as instructed? 00.20.04 # copy "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to your $HOME/.bashrc file and relogin 00.20.25 # i copied it but i didnt relog 00.20.27 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 00.21.18 # O.O ... its already 0:20 here... i need to get some sleep now 00.21.31 # tomottow i will try to get a working bootloader 00.21.34 # tomorrow* 00.21.36 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 00.21.59 # if i use a patched firmware, is it still possible to update the OF of the player? 00.22.07 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 00.22.19 Quit ultrasonic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.22.33 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 00.22.40 # you will need to repatch it 00.22.50 Part ultrasonic ("Leaving") 00.23.16 # okay 00.23.44 # good night, and thanks for your help 00.24.21 Quit arez-l ("CGI:IRC") 00.24.29 # But 3.01.16 will be the last so I wouldn't worry 00.26.10 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 00.27.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.31.19 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.31.34 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.38.39 Quit Hillshum (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.40.20 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 00.40.47 Quit ender` (" Why geeks like computers: look chat date touch grep make unzip strip view finger mount fsck more fsck yes spray umount slee") 00.41.31 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.44.57 Quit Arez ("CGI:IRC") 00.50.49 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 00.51.45 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hillshum) 00.55.28 Join Horscht86 [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4ECBA.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.56.15 Quit faemir ("Lost terminal") 00.56.36 Quit Horscht86 (Client Quit) 00.56.43 Quit bmbl (Client Quit) 00.56.50 Join faemir [0] (n=daniel@88-106-238-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.59.21 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 01.03.53 # amiconn: actually, looking at the idct routines in our decoder, they seem to have been adapted from the IJG ones, or at least many of the macros are the same in their names and implementations. perhaps the best way to go is to adapt our existing decoder to process the file in by rows, and then port more idct routines if we want more scaling options. 01.04.08 Nick Unhelpfu- is now known as Unhelpful (n=Militant@pool-98-117-8-126.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) 01.05.32 Quit gregsparc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.08.44 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.13 Quit midijunkie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.12.06 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 01.12.48 # Unhelpful: I have audio drop outs in pictureflow on my fuze 01.13.03 # is pictureflow yield()ing enough? 01.13.14 Quit Horschti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.28 # per slide rendered... you could try moving the yield() in render_slide up a bit. i'd try first moving it up to the top, before any cases where it returns early - this will make it yield per slide even if none of the slide is actually drawn. that will only matter if you've got the number of slides set high enough that it's trying to draw many slides that are not on screen. 01.17.01 # you could move it inside the column render loop, which will make it yield per column, but i really think that might be excessive. 01.17.39 # it could also be that it's the load thread that's not yielding enough, but that yields per slide loaded, and i rather doubt that we really need to yield in between reads while loading a slide. 01.17.41 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.33 # * Llorean adds a "Third Party" section to the forums. 01.19.20 Join timc`` [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 01.19.44 # Looks good 01.20.29 # Unhelpful: only drop outs while drawing 01.20.40 # I also like the Getting Started change to Starting Development 01.20.45 # If the Third Party one gets particularly busy, I'll add sub-boards like in Manual Installation for categories of tools, like "Video Conversion" etc. 01.20.54 # you mean while scrolling? 01.21.36 # BigBambi: Yeah, I decided "Getting Started" was too ambiguous and inclined people to ask "How do I run this program?" questions there occasionally 01.21.56 # yes, I agree 01.22.17 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.46 # Should "feature ideas" be moved to development maybe? 01.24.14 # not sure 01.24.36 # Trouble with Feature Ideas is that there is arse all development talk in there normally 01.24.41 # Indeed. 01.24.54 # It is just people saying this'd be cool 01.25.03 # If it were under "Development" maybe that'd be a clue what it's actually _for_ in a way. 01.25.09 # But I also just think the board is a bit imbalanced right now. 01.25.27 # Llorean: You have faith in humanity :) 01.26.06 # I also kinda want to put hardware somewhere else 01.26.10 # But there's nowhere to put it. 01.26.14 # I'd like to split up general, basically 01.26.36 # Ye, it looks too big right now 01.26.52 # Into something representing the project itself (webpage, community, etc), something for using the program (most of the existing categories), etc. 01.28.02 # That's be good 01.29.53 # I think feature ideas could probably move 01.31.48 # BigBambi: Okay, how's the new layout? 01.32.02 # * Llorean thinks this also, slightly, clarifies that Plugins is for discussion of the included ones, not development of them. 01.32.59 # Llorean: I like it 01.34.49 Quit timc (Connection timed out) 01.42.02 # Unhelpful: yes 01.46.20 # kugel: the loading thread generally only does work during scrolling... perhaps you'd best start there. i can't imagine i/o is *slow* on fuze, though... 01.46.33 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 01.46.35 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.46.41 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.46.43 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.46.55 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.47.03 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.48.44 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 01.53.21 # Unhelpful: *i*? :) 01.54.57 # kugel: the thread that loads cache items into memory. it's basically constantly busy while scrolling. the render (main) thread doesn't do any more work at once while scrolling than while not - every screen update == draw the whole screen again. 01.56.00 # * amiconn still wants to know what's the cause of the missing slide bug in PF on the beast 01.56.10 # amiconn: the what? 01.57.13 # I've put album .bmps on all my targets which support PF. On the beast, two albums show the ? slide which do have a bmp 01.57.54 # amiconn: even when they're centered? :/ 01.58.30 # One of the non-working BMPs is even bitwise identical to another one in a different folder, which does work 01.58.59 # (it's a two-disc album, and I store two-disc albums in subfolders 'CD1' and 'CD2') 01.59.25 # are all of yours simply cover.bmp? 01.59.29 # yes 02.00.13 # Did you ever tell us if it worked in the WPS or not? 02.00.25 # weird... i had hoped it might be a funky case issue, but if you're not using .bmp, that seems less likely 02.00.39 # And I'm using the same directory structure and the same BMP files on all the targets, except the archoses and the c200 02.01.12 # (to clarify, the "file not found" issue i suspect is somehow case-related - even the rockbox.tar trick doesn't work on my beast if i create the /content dir with the wrong case) 02.01.32 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.01.34 # amiconn: Does the missing cover work in the WPS? 02.01.45 # * amiconn still needs to try 02.02.31 # amiconn: by the way, have you tried the M3 at all during or since the PF keymap rework? it's never worked in sim, because of remote buttons, so it's basically the only supported target i've not verified... 02.05.07 # rasher: Yes, the two missing covers do work in an AA WPS 02.05.34 # * rasher washes his hands 02.05.41 # amiconn: that's bizarre in the extreme, because the same search function is used :/ 02.06.01 # It must be the loading that fails, then? 02.06.05 # perhaps adding a logf on cover not found might be a *start* at debugging it? 02.06.57 # rasher: i don't really see how... loading can fail for EOM (pretty much impossible) or for file not found (but then a cover shouldn't have been located?) 02.07.38 # EOM is very unlikely, as the scaler only needs the output buffer to be as large as the desired output slide, + 12 rows, and it has the entire plugin buffer 02.07.42 # Yeah, really no idea.. 02.11.21 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.11.53 # hrm, that's <256KB even for a full-screen load on beast 02.13.35 # I've checked the .pfraw files, as the numbering matches the order in PF itself. The .pfraw files are indeed missing, so it's the cache building that fails 02.16.05 # soap: Removed your post, added a bit to mine. Need more category names though. 02.19.09 # amiconn: it also splashes on failing to load the bmp, or failing to write the pfraw. so maybe get_albumart_for_index_from_db fails? 02.20.54 # soap: Oh, and updated all the subjects (so that your post became irrelevant) 02.21.19 # Unhelpful: Yes, that it what fails 02.21.44 # * amiconn just added a splash that tells me the index of a failing lookup 02.21.54 # s/me/him/ 02.24.13 # so it's either failing to get a track for the album from the DB, which seems unlikely, or the id3 entry is somehow populated differently than when core loads AA, or core's search_albumart_files is somehow failing when PF calls it, but not when the core buffer thread calls it... 02.28.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.28.31 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 02.28.35 # I just moved over the ones which came up on some simple searches. Didn't dig deep. 02.28.44 # * rasher senses he's not off the hook yet 02.29.33 # One step deeper in the call chain: search_albumart_files() is what fails (like it does for those covers which are actually missing) 02.30.34 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 02.31.21 # This does not make sense. Especially since you just use cover.bmp?! 02.31.41 # Mad 02.31.48 # It's a mystery, but it's also a fact 02.31.59 # I know that the core uses the very same function 02.32.09 # I guess it's not looking in the right dir when looking for cover.bmp? 02.32.23 # Somehow.. 02.32.59 # perhaps the struct mp3entry (somehow) has different contents? how is it filled by core? 02.33.49 # Can codepage stuff be involved? Does it use non-ascii characters? 02.33.59 # The path 02.38.32 Join vonsoo [0] (n=vonsoo@SantaCruz-2-104.resnet.ucsb.edu) 02.38.38 Part vonsoo ("Leaving") 02.39.23 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.40.53 # No it doesn't. And if it would be a path issue - why does it only happen on the beast, but neither on H340 nor ipod color nor H180 nor X5 nor... 02.41.35 # Actually, one of the paths does involve non-ascii, but the other doesn't 02.42.56 # Well it's not like we have any *obvious* guesses left 02.43.18 # Ahem.... 02.44.07 # Really weird issue: The two albums in question do exist twice on my beast - once in mp3 format, and a second time in ape format 02.44.20 # Guess where PF looks... 02.44.52 # The ape version is in my test folder - without cover bitmaps... 02.45.21 # does your test folder have a database.ignore? 02.45.26 # nope 02.45.41 # And the WPS was showing them when played from filetree, rather than database, I assume? 02.46.01 # Llorean: won't matter, unless amiconn specifically plays the APE 02.46.15 # Llorean: yes 02.46.24 # I'm not sure we can blame this on anything but user error 02.46.28 # But that shows something - if an album exists more than once in the db, PF only checks the first occurence for cover bitmaps 02.46.31 # rasher: that's what I mean though. They showed in the WPS, which would happen if you directly selected the MP3, but I assume the copy visible in the database is probably also the .ape. 02.47.08 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.47.09 # Llorean: won't it appear in the db twice? 02.47.14 # * Llorean thinks "Duplicate Album Support in multiple formats" isn't really something that's even been attempted. 02.47.15 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.47.23 # The database shows the album once - with all tracks duplicated... 02.47.25 # rasher: I don't know. 02.47.36 # amiconn: and PF fetches the first track only from the DB. 02.47.43 # I know 02.47.45 # amiconn: that would be as expected.. 02.47.49 # if that's the APE... 02.48.10 # Llorean: It's not necessarily multiple formats - having the same files in two different folders is enough 02.48.25 # * rasher suggests keeping albumart in /.rockbox/albumart :) 02.48.38 # rasher: I can't 02.48.42 # * Llorean thinks doing that is the proper solution if you'll have multiple copies of one album. 02.48.54 # amiconn: Uhm. 02.48.59 # Several album titles contain characters which are illegal on vfat 02.49.12 # amiconn: It seems you haven't read the manual 02.49.20 # And I rather not mangle my tags - it's enough that I had to mangle the folder names 02.49.42 # Besides, I don't want the albumart separate from the tree 02.50.10 # Then this will happen as long as you don't put albumart in both folders.. 02.50.38 # * amiconn will put a database.ignore file insteas 02.50.48 # s/s$/d/ 02.51.09 # surely the tags are mangled in memory before generating paths from them? 02.51.28 # * amiconn once read the manual.... 02.51.39 # That was long before album art... even before swcodec 02.51.47 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildap3.html#x17-313000C.3 02.51.58 # Iirc it was the manual for rockbox 2.0 02.53.08 # But yes, you can. You chose not to. 02.53.27 Join MethoS [0] (n=lem@dyndsl-085-016-163-139.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 02.55.50 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 02.56.25 # Rebuilt db and pf cache - now the covers are there... 02.58.45 Quit kushalone ("This computer has gone to sleep. Macs are like babies. They need a lot of sleep. :)") 02.59.55 # illegal chars are replaced by a "-", and AFAIK rockbox will still recognize the covers 03.00.18 # kugel: Wrong 03.00.27 # Apparently you haven't read the manual either! 03.00.28 # kugel: it's an underscore, except for ", which is replaced with ' 03.00.45 # (within the last month) 03.01.12 # * amiconn wonders whether it would make sense to check more tracks entries from the db if the first one doesn't yield a cover bitmap 03.01.37 # Maybe limited to a track index of 1 (that's part of struct mp3entry id3) 03.02.18 # they'll be sorted by track index, right? 03.02.39 Join webguest63 [0] (n=4b8ffbfa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-92a29f20f5485fbc) 03.03.11 # Seems quite unlikely, but it's just PF, so it can't hurt if someone bothers I guess 03.03.37 # rasher: "within the last month"? 03.04.06 # kugel: The album art chapter was added to the manual a month ago or so. It's been on the AlbumArt page for a 03.04.11 # year 03.04.23 # ah yea 03.04.43 # I was fairly sure about the "-" though, I'm wondering where I picked that up :/ 03.09.54 Join swimmer [0] (i=swimmer@xs7.xs4all.nl) 03.14.25 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.15.15 Join shodanX [0] (n=shodanX@port-92-194-35-64.dynamic.qsc.de) 03.16.36 Quit shodanX__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.17.36 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC") 03.24.36 # Any idea why putting the lcd framebuffer into iram let's the binsize raise so much? 03.26.19 # kugel, are you using the (NOLOAD) setting, and is it being put in the .ibss? 03.26.34 # uhm, good question 03.28.16 # kkurbjun: no, not in ibss. let me try that 03.28.54 # our ibss uses no load, iram doesn't 03.29.22 # yeah, the bss section is for uninitialized values 03.29.38 # so you don't have to store a copy in the image 03.29.55 # well bss and ibss 03.30.07 # indeed, that did it 03.30.21 # thank you! 03.30.27 # no problem 03.31.10 # kugel, about the mmu problems you were having.. I was running into a large slowdown when my screen routines in the m:robe were not staying within the screen boundary 03.31.26 # so I was accidentally overwriting the ttb with the screen updates 03.31.50 # we don't have the framebuffer in an extra section 03.32.18 # yeah, but how do you calculate the FRAME address? 03.32.21 # (i.e. the ttb shouldn't be touched by it) 03.32.36 # it was still a problem without giving it a section 03.33.19 # I guess now that it's in iram it should be safer anyway 03.33.32 # is your lcd not memory mapped? 03.33.41 # no 03.33.46 # oh, gotcha 03.33.52 # nevermind on that then 03.35.12 # kkurbjun: there's no caching at all in that patch, that may explain the slowness 03.35.41 Join z35_ [0] (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.35.41 # * kugel is wondering if the icache is still enabled properly in that patch. 03.35.52 # I had similar slowness when I deactivated the icache 03.47.06 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.50.02 Nick z35_ is now known as z35 (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.51.00 Join Strife89 [0] (n=nds@204.116.244.200) 03.51.28 Quit Strife89 (Client Quit) 03.53.13 Quit davidfg4 () 03.54.00 Join dreamlayers [0] (n=dreamlay@bas4-windsor12-1279315722.dsl.bell.ca) 03.55.19 Join Strife89 [0] (n=nds@204.116.244.200) 03.56.47 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7add03b26bc74680) 03.57.51 # I'm wondering what's the point of using read-modify-write operations (eg. &=) to set or clear PP502x GPIO bits when there are bitwise operations. 03.58.45 Join Dhraakellian [0] (n=ntryon@cpe-72-226-197-191.rochester.res.rr.com) 04.01.30 # could i get the wiki wrire oermissions from someone? 04.01.36 # *write 04.03.51 # froggyman: what's your registered name? 04.03.58 # SethOpgenorth 04.07.10 # I think I added you, but I'm not positive 04.07.56 # ok 04.08.50 # thanks 04.09.04 # If you still can't write ask back and someone who is more familiar with the process might be around, no problem 04.09.37 # ok i will 04.15.32 Quit intrados_ (Remote closed the connection) 04.18.02 # it appears that i do have the write permissions now 04.24.58 # What's the status of FS#8806 - MikMod MOD, S3M, IT, XM player? It seems like such a great addition to Rockbox. 04.25.13 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 04.25.21 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 04.26.21 # Llorean: I tried adding froggyman to the wiki users group, but it doesn't seem like he has permissions to write, is there something else that needs to be done? 04.28.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.29.11 # are you sure, because i just checked the main page and it says that i edited something 04.29.26 # :), I misread what you wrote 04.29.35 # nevermind, Llorean 04.29.48 # great, glad to hear it works 04.30.04 # yep 04.38.09 # dreamlayers: I agree; good question. 04.38.39 Join Nordheim [0] (n=purple@cpe-75-81-106-233.kc.res.rr.com) 04.39.12 # * kugel has a little hackish way to make the scrollwheel like perfect on the fuze 04.39.20 # I can't seem to get the Rockbox automated install to load correctly 04.39.42 # it autodetects my device fine, but says the mount point is not writeable, whether run in root or not 04.40.26 # device [a Sansa E260] is in MSC mode already 04.44.22 # should it be pointed to the mount point or actual device ? 04.46.37 Join hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@unaffiliated/hillshum) 04.51.40 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.05.38 # huh, with this hack, the scrollwheel is almost better than on e200v1 05.11.22 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 05.18.26 Quit hillshum ("Leaving") 05.18.55 # what does mount say about it? 05.19.04 # read-only? 05.19.50 Quit franky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.21.14 Quit l403 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.22.28 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.22.50 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-608720a48a603be6) 05.24.43 # yeh, it is showing as read-only 05.24.54 # I have since gotten rockbox installed, but now I can't add/remove any files 05.26.01 # on linux that usually means youv'e corrupted the file system 05.26.23 # yes, it does seem to be that 05.26.29 # that's the main reason I'm trying rockbox 05.26.55 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-503336c7d0e588c0) 05.26.57 # I start getting lots of 'bad track' errors in the default 05.33.30 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 05.34.46 Quit Strife89 ("ClIRC - IRC client for Nintendo DS") 05.38.01 # post-format seems to be working fine 05.39.48 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.40.31 Quit MethoS (Remote closed the connection) 05.48.51 Join intrados_ [0] (n=intrados@cpe-71-67-129-220.woh.res.rr.com) 05.57.37 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.59.39 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c05c80d2826c678) 06.06.17 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.28.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.37.20 Quit dreamlayers ("Goodnight") 06.45.24 Join Adam917 [0] (n=Adam917@m0f0e36d0.tmodns.net) 06.46.10 Part Adam917 07.02.15 Join DJ_Igloo [0] (n=4b24625a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-140f6919ce02f25d) 07.03.15 Quit DJ_Igloo (Client Quit) 07.10.51 Join lightbul1jim [0] (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 07.16.21 Join jeffdameth [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-095-033-115-010.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 07.22.03 Quit Zoxc () 07.24.00 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-163-99.cust.bredband2.com) 07.25.41 Quit hittudiv (Remote closed the connection) 07.26.56 Quit lightbulbjim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.55 Quit jeffdameth1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.41.05 Quit timc`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.41.14 Join timc`` [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 07.46.02 Join bs66_1 [0] (n=sysuser@79.138.152.235.bredband.tre.se) 07.59.42 Quit Nordheim ("Get me closer, I want to use my sword.") 08.03.08 Quit bs66_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.09.37 Quit rvvs89 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.14.08 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4C946.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.21.33 Join Minthe [0] (n=Minthe@gw13.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp) 08.28.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.30.01 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.31.12 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 08.37.15 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 08.38.05 Join franky [0] (n=franky@f053001059.adsl.alicedsl.de) 08.39.04 Part BHSPitLappy ("Ex-Chat") 08.55.03 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD8FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.55.11 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.59.52 Quit rwcr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.03.04 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host31-165-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.11.18 Join rwcr [0] (n=oremanj@xenon.get-linux.org) 09.12.22 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.24.35 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.5.50) 09.29.26 Join SuperPerroFlashi [0] (i=500@181-84-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) 09.31.34 Quit SuperPerroFlashi (Client Quit) 09.35.17 Join l403 [0] (n=l@85.132.159.239) 09.37.45 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.40.26 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 09.47.34 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 09.49.51 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 10.23.19 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.26.01 Join arez-l [0] (n=4fea9651@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4e84a8671dac8550) 10.28.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.30.19 Join wangxiang [0] (n=wangxian@210.73.4.120) 10.30.20 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579ECF9F.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.36.46 # kkurbjun: Did you magically enlarge the m:robe remote lcd? 10.40.40 Join rvvs89 [0] (n=ivo@bright-snat.ucc.asn.au) 10.43.49 # could anyone help me out compiling the bootloader for a sansa e200v2 ? finished tools/configure and also tried make but i cannot find the created file 10.45.25 Join hittudiv [0] (n=hittudiv@210.212.160.101) 10.45.38 # the bootloader image is called bootloader-clip.sansa 10.46.10 # its not there 10.46.42 # so doing tools/configure and then using make is right? 10.47.28 # no, you should build it in a separate build directory 10.49.38 # iam quite new to compiling.. is there a quick guide for this? the wiki requires some compiling knowledge as it seems 10.51.43 Quit rvvs89 (Remote closed the connection) 10.51.46 # or could you give me some short instructions? 10.58.34 # there are several guides on the wiki, but I'm not really familiar with them 10.58.57 # i just followed one but it only says that i need to create the bootloader with tools/configure 10.59.43 # how to tell it to use a seperate build folder? 11.01.35 # what I usually do (from the main rockbox source folder): mkdir build-clip-boot; cd build-clip-boot; ../tools/configure; (select 55-clip, B for bootloader); make 11.01.51 Quit merbanan ("Leaving") 11.02.01 # gonna try that now, thank you 11.03.18 # actually, this is just the easy first part of installing rockbox on an ams sansa ... 11.03.24 # getting some errors but idk what they mean 11.03.25 # http://pastie.org/443598 11.05.40 # building the bootloader should be done in a different directory than building the main rockbox software, your build directory is simply called build so I think you're mixing the two. A make clean and another make may help if you get weird compilation errors. 11.06.21 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 11.06.33 # so i sgould use a build bootloader folder for this and try again after using make clean 11.08.21 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.09.50 # yes, use something like 'build' for the main firmware and something like 'build-boot' for the bootloader. A make clean simply cleans up old build results that may confuse the build process. 11.10.49 # got it now :) 11.11.23 Join Adam917 [0] (n=Adam917@m0f0e36d0.tmodns.net) 11.12.33 Quit arez-l ("CGI:IRC") 11.13.32 # Anyone here know if the instructions found on the 'BigDisk' page apply to the iriver units as well? As in would I need to compile a multi-partition variant of Rockbox and have to manually copy files to a second partition after 128 GiB? What about USB support? 11.22.45 Join arez-l [0] (n=4fea9651@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-14d2768e8f04287b) 11.23.12 # how do i solve "command not found" when i try to use mkamsboot for patching the firmware? 11.23.55 Join rvvs89 [0] (n=ivo@pdpc/supporter/base/rvvs89) 11.24.20 # 'make' sure that the command is present? what command could not be found? 11.25.16 # mkamsboot 11.25.33 # already tried "make" in the mkamsboot folder 11.27.32 # nvm ; worked after make clean and another make 11.27.38 # you should type ./mkamsboot 11.28.53 # how do i know if the bootloader works ? i dont have compiled a rb build so far 11.31.04 # it briefly shows a rockbox logo (and probably an error about not finding the .rockbox directory if you haven't installed the main firmware yet) 11.31.24 # okay 11.31.29 # ty 11.32.13 Join MT [0] (n=chatzill@41.233.151.195) 11.33.19 # IIRC, holding the home button during boot or booting by plugging in USB from the power-off state makes it boot into the original firmware again. 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What device should I use to view serial traffic? I have /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00, /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81, /dev/usbdev2.1_ep00, /dev/usbdev2.1_ep81. Is it one of those? 14.59.49 # hm, that's weird... You should have /dev/ttyUSB0. Did you load usb_serial as described on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb#logf_over_USB_Serial ? 15.00.38 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 15.03.12 # No, I did not consulted that page. Thanks a million. I added it in frimware/export/config-XXX.cfg... I'll fix it, and update in case it doesn't work. 15.04.26 # Actually, the usb_serial implementation isn't very complete yet. It's good enough for linux to talk to, but it doesn't fully implement the CDC spec so windows doesn't like it at all. 15.05.21 # Also, thanks for spotting my unintentional advanced C feature knowledge test ;) 15.06.05 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.06.37 Join feisar [0] (n=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 15.09.52 # Thanks! I'll update the cosmetic patch to fit the current code convention of these files (It's not the important currently, and it takes too much time to do...) 15.14.49 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.16.11 # Don't worry too much about cosmetics :) Working right wins against looking right every time! 15.21.48 # * gevaerts formally denies allegations that he broke the build 15.22.32 # Why wasn't r20684 autobuilt? 15.25.08 # sometimes builds aren't picked up for unknow reasons 15.25.17 # unknown too 15.26.40 Join xwang [0] (n=wangxian@210.73.4.120) 15.27.10 Quit xwang (Client Quit) 15.28.03 Join sko [0] (n=sko@L74cd.l.strato-dslnet.de) 15.28.52 Quit tomers (Remote closed the connection) 15.29.43 Part sko 15.29.47 # seeing that there are also main display this size - could the theme site have subpages for 128x96x2 (Iaudio M3/remotes) and/or 128x64x1 (Clip, m200, other new ports, Iriver remotes) displays? 15.34.43 Quit MethoS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.34.43 Join MethoS- [0] (n=lem@dyndsl-085-016-164-100.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 15.35.04 # Any reason why the Official Test Builds forum isn't just restricted to only allow staff to start new threads? 15.35.08 # Or is it? 15.35.58 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-108-58-176.cablep.bezeqint.net) 15.36.30 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 15.43.30 Quit ufoman_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.43.42 Quit wangxiang (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.49.08 Join shodanX_ [0] (n=shodanX@jazz.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 15.49.22 Quit timc`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.49.41 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 15.51.17 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.02 Join motionman95 [0] (n=459792ac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1ae3d788d49f9918) 15.52.54 Quit motionman95 (Client Quit) 15.54.14 Join motionman95 [0] (i=459792ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a38e59935ba8c1bc) 15.54.46 # I have some more USB questions. I can in wiki (/PortalPlayerUsb#logf_over_USB_Serial) see that USB_SERIAL should be defined in usb_core.h - it is actually there, commented out. But I also see it is in config-iaudio7.h (commented out also). is this some kind of redundancy, or should I set this config both in usb_core.h and the config file (config-ipodcolor.h)? If I should set it in config-ipodcolor 15.54.48 # .h, can I just rebuild it using 'make', or should I remove and re-create the build directory? 15.55.50 # Could someone explain to me how to use the read_line() function it's perplexing me, and is not used often enough in plugins for me to understand exactly how I should use it. 15.56.34 # motionman95: docs/PLUGIN_API hopefully explains a bit 15.56.47 Join Ridayah_ [0] (n=ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com) 15.57.00 # Okay, I'll read it and be right back... 15.57.53 # tomers: I originally put it in usb_core.h, and described that on the wiki. I guess vitja either didn't see that or disagreed with it and put it in config-iaudio7.h. Right now I'm not sure which is best :) 15.57.53 # That file isn't updated much, but many functions are there 15.58.06 Quit Ridayah_ (Client Quit) 15.58.35 Join wangxiang_ [0] (n=wangxian@210.73.4.120) 15.59.30 # tomers: I don't know if the build system will pick it up correctly either way, so probably starting with a clean build dir is safest 15.59.44 # @rasher: Okay, so based on what I read, read_line() works like this: the first time it's called, it will read up to the first LF, the second time, it will read up to the second LF, and so on, until it returns -1? 16.00.10 # motionman95: Pretty much 16.00.43 # Cool~! 16.01.02 Quit Ridayah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.01.18 # Thanks. Now, instead of bugging the people on the Rockbox forums, I guess I'll just post here. 16.02.01 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.03 Join Ridayah [0] (n=ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com) 16.03.16 # gevaerts: OK. I'll start with a clean build. But can I just replace the .ipod file, and reboot the DAP? 16.03.51 # tomers: either that, or put the new .ipod file somewhere else and "play" it 16.04.40 # gevaerts: Can I replace the the existing .ipod file while rockbox is connected (in charging mode) ? 16.06.12 # gevaerts: It seems the answer is yes :-) 16.06.28 # Once the bootloader (or rolo) has loaded it, nothing touches that file anymore 16.06.38 # Except you of course :) 16.07.49 # gevaerts: Damn. The iPod battery is a bit drained. It doesn't charges well, and I have to wait too long before the bootloader loads rockbox (several minutes) each time 16.08.19 # Try charging in the OF (or in disk mode). That may work better 16.12.36 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 16.19.35 # Peace out. :) 16.22.30 Part motionman95 16.24.46 Join motionman95 [0] (n=459792ac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3085af7ac1f6b4b9) 16.26.04 Quit motionman95 (Client Quit) 16.28.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.38.21 Quit pyro_maniac (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.20 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 16.46.44 Quit DarkSpectrum (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.23 Quit DZX (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.44 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@dyndsl-091-096-000-117.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.53.01 Join Pepsi1x1 [0] (n=savage@92-234-148-213.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.54.36 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.57.14 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178098145.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.57.23 # hi, i have an ipod mini generation 2, and I would like to install rockbox, although when i am trying to use the rockbox utility, I have an error first from autodetect saying it is an incompatible version, but it is in the list of players. Also if I try to manually select it, when I click complete install it errors straight away saying Ipod not detected. I have looked through the manual, and faq's and 16.57.41 # a google search returned only poor youtube videos 16.57.53 # Are you sure it's a mini and not a nano? 16.57.59 # * kugel has a little make install hack for normal builds 16.58.10 # yes the model number is ma447 16.58.21 # let me double check the numbers 16.58.33 # I added info on how to enable logf (using advanced build) in Wiki page PortalPlayerUsb 16.58.52 # 477ma 16.58.57 # hah typos 16.59.04 # ma477 16.59.34 # google tells me that that's a nano 16.59.48 # really it told me it was a mini 17.00.05 # Have a look at http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 to make sure 17.00.39 # oh dear 17.00.44 # yes its a nano 17.00.55 # how foolish was that 17.01.20 # nano 2nd gen is unsupported then, if im not mistaken? 17.01.35 # unfortunately, yes 17.01.43 # ok thanks for your help 17.04.26 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84.51.130.71) 17.05.35 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 17.06.33 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 17.21.00 # so is there any good alternative to rockbox which is compatible with the 2nd gen nano? 17.21.07 Quit bs66_1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.22.09 Join bs66_ [0] (n=sysuser@79.138.152.235.bredband.tre.se) 17.23.47 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.34.08 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 17.38.35 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 17.39.57 Quit tomers (Remote closed the connection) 17.40.04 Join motionman95 [0] (i=459792ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6dd2714198fc169) 17.40.05 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 17.41.20 # Is there a special room to chat in for WPS help? 17.41.50 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-108-58-176.cablep.bezeqint.net) 17.42.21 # is this too hackish? http://pastie.org/443735 17.44.01 # that's make install for a normal build to install directly (well, indirectly using tar and extracting then) on the target (path specified by PREFIX) 17.44.34 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.45.18 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.52.29 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 17.53.14 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.53.24 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm146.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 17.54.38 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.55.38 Join xt3 [0] (n=xt3@vpn-s-8d3a3062.campus.uni-stuttgart.de) 17.55.42 Join z35_ [0] (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 17.56.19 # hi 17.57.21 # can anyone help me with firmware for an onda vx747. i compiled it and tried to put it on the player but whenever i tried it the player stuck with a message "ata-18 panic" 18.00.40 Quit z35_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.57 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-163-99.cust.bredband2.com) 18.03.07 Quit blithe ("Lost terminal") 18.03.16 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 18.03.17 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 18.03.24 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 18.03.29 Join z35_ [0] (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 18.05.09 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.06.15 # amiconn, I did that because rockbox was freezing, I think something is overflowing the lcd 18.06.18 # update 18.06.32 # so I gave it more room to keep it from crashing for now 18.07.56 # the remote LCD on the m:robe is much smaller than any of the others 79x16, so I was going to try searching for anything that had hard-coded or calculated offsets/width/heights that could cause an overflow 18.11.57 # amiconn, if you have any ideas on where to start looking it would be much appreciated. Otherwise I might talk to cat and see if he can connect his JTAG setup so I can do some remote debugging again (or solder my own) 18.14.26 Part xt3 18.23.10 Join dreamlayers [0] (n=dreamlay@bas4-windsor12-1279315722.dsl.bell.ca) 18.28.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.32.33 Nick l403 is now known as invisible_pie (n=l@85.132.159.239) 18.40.55 Join stealthboy [0] (i=459792ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-979b1da89c4568c5) 18.42.30 # How dificult would X and Y be to implement for drawing pictures to the screen? Say, instead of having to constantly redraw to the LCD, simply assign what was drawn to the screen a new X and Y? 18.43.50 # ... 18.43.57 # stealthboy: most targets implement lcd_update_rect 18.44.12 # where you give it an x, y, width, height 18.44.25 # and it only copies the section that needs to be updated 18.45.19 Join kps00000 [0] (n=kevin@i209-195-69-38.cia.com) 18.46.21 Quit wangxiang_ () 18.47.43 # eh, builzip.pl is broken, somehow 18.49.53 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 18.52.21 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@general-kt-199.t-mobile.co.uk) 18.52.23 # kugel: buildzip.pl works for me when building 5G firmware zip, and it was last modified 2 months ago. Which target causes it to break? 18.52.50 # amiconn, looks like I can get it to freez in the simulator too 18.53.37 Quit timc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.53.48 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 18.54.27 Quit tomers (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.57.38 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-108-58-176.cablep.bezeqint.net) 18.57.48 Quit tomers (Client Quit) 19.02.29 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 19.06.57 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 19.07.42 # dreamlayers: nevermind, I blame perl 19.08.34 # using @ARGV for essential parameter seems fragile 19.12.23 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.12.56 Nick z35_ is now known as z35 (n=z35@h147.109.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 19.14.05 # How concerned should I be with code size? When I was working on a patch with some fixes and improvements of 5G iPod LCD sleep, I spent too much time wondering about this. For example, when waiting for the LCD to finish initializing, do I use a wakeup struct, or do I go for smaller code size and use a polling loop which yields? 19.15.12 Join saratoga [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ffda63b3ee1d2fd8) 19.17.19 Join jeffdameth1 [0] (n=jeff@dyndsl-095-033-124-245.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 19.20.36 Part kps00000 19.20.40 Join kps00000 [0] (n=kevin@i209-195-69-38.cia.com) 19.23.45 # dreamlayers: well, code size isn't as much of an issue on a target with 32/64MB RAM. but every increase slightly decreases the battery runtime 19.24.06 # (particularly on HDD targets) 19.26.40 Quit hittudiv (Remote closed the connection) 19.32.38 Quit jeffdameth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.05 Quit stealthboy ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.50.17 Join paulk [0] (n=paulk@lib33-1-82-233-88-171.fbx.proxad.net) 19.50.42 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 19.51.55 Join motionman [0] (i=459792ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e07f45a2221861b) 19.54.50 # Hello ! When i connect my sansa e250 to my computer, the original firmware is launched by rockbox. How to connect the player without using the original firmware please ??? 19.57.11 # paulk: You can do this by using the current build, or applying the bootloaders found in the flyspray. 19.57.31 # I'm using the current build 19.58.30 # what revision number? 19.59.00 # I've got rockbox 3.2 19.59.42 # thats not the current build 19.59.48 # update and you'll get USB 19.59.56 # where can i found a bootloader able to do it ? 20.00.24 # you don't need a bootloader, just update rockbox 20.00.52 # ? I've got the lastest version 20.01.14 # if you want the bootloader to load rockbox on plugin, you need a new bootloader as well 20.01.16 # paulk: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955 20.01.24 # paulk: 3.2 is the latest *release* 20.01.36 # ok, it's the lastest build 20.01.46 # it's not the lastest build * 20.02.23 # ok, where do i put the pp5022.mi4 file ? 20.02.54 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=johannes@dslb-094-220-239-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.03.38 # paulk: use it with sansapatcher 20.03.46 # ok 20.03.49 # dont put the file directly anywhere on your dap 20.04.03 # (unless you want to screw up the OF) 20.04.50 # I've done it with sansapatcher I'll do a test 20.05.40 # what command did you use? 20.05.42 # it does not work... 20.05.47 # ./sansapatcher -a firmware.mi4 20.05.52 # as root 20.06.16 # is it right ? 20.06.20 # not sure 20.06.23 # i think you should just wait for an official bootloader 20.06.29 # you don't need to install this thing to get USB 20.06.30 # ./sansapatcher --help should tell 20.07.07 # and that didn't work because you don't have a fimrware.mi4 file 20.07.22 # it's called PP5022.mi4 20.07.30 # is it important ? 20.07.48 # its the bootloader you're trying to install 20.07.55 # really, if you ask that sort of questions, stay with the stable build... 20.08.02 # ok 20.08.16 # paulk: what exactly did you mean by "does not work" btw? the bootloader doesn't feature usb as is. It just doesn't boot the OF if you insert the cable in the OFF state 20.08.16 # so its not important in the sense that what you're doing doesn't matter, but its important in the sense that if you do the wrong thing now you'll break your player 20.08.59 # saratoga: can you try FS#10120? 20.09.03 # yes, but it boot the OF 20.09.22 # the version should tell you whether the update worked 20.09.52 # paulk: If you don't install the bootloader and you want to use Rockbox USB, just make sure that you turn on your e250 before you plug in USB. 20.10.18 # I do 20.10.31 # did you update your build like i told you to 10 minutes ago? 20.10.42 # because that step is important 20.11.08 # oh no ! 20.11.16 # where can i get the lastest build ? 20.11.26 # the front page of this website 20.11.40 # http://build.rockbox.org/ 20.11.43 # ? 20.11.48 # yes 20.12.37 # kugel: i'll take a look at it when i get my fuze from work this afternoon 20.12.49 # but that approach seems sensible 20.13.41 Join DarkSpectrum [0] (n=ZX@c-68-41-243-38.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.13.54 Join Traveler [0] (n=traveler@CPE-69-23-137-242.wi.res.rr.com) 20.14.26 # how difficult is it going to be to get the AMS sansas to work with rbutil? 20.14.41 Quit Ubuntuxer ("Leaving.") 20.14.54 Quit timc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.14.55 Join timc`` [0] (n=aoeu@124.93.243.83) 20.14.57 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.15.07 # saratoga: they seem to need approximately the same steps as h100 and h300 20.15.51 # wget an OF file, run the merge program on it, and then copy to the player? 20.15.57 # yes 20.16.09 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.16.12 # so relatively easy then 20.16.22 # Although I think rbutil asks you to get the OF file 20.16.38 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 20.16.43 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.16.43 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.16.45 # sandisk provides http links to the raw OF image, so downloading it should be easy enough 20.17.15 # gevaerts: what will happen about the version then? 20.17.21 # I mean the OF version 20.17.35 # do we pick a random OF version and always use that or do we try to keep the version installed? 20.17.39 # they'll get whatever one is hard coded unless we put an option or they use the manual install 20.17.51 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.18.04 # the ams patcher program has to be updated for each OF version anyway 20.18.05 # maybe there's a way to read the installed OF version 20.18.24 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.18.25 # yeah ! It works ! 20.18.28 # Thank-u 20.18.31 # which reminds me, I wanted to update mksamsboot for 1.02.26 20.18.33 # kugel: IIRC rbutil just asks you to tell it where you put the hex file for irivers, so it uses whatever version you give it 20.18.41 # can't we just put on a pre-patched firmware? 20.19.00 # We can't distribute the OF 20.19.13 # we can't? 20.19.19 # Bagder does that 20.19.30 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.20.03 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.20.15 # saratoga: Well, the approach might seem sensible, but I nevertheless feel that it's a bit hackish :/ 20.20.25 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.20.28 Join saratoga2 [0] (n=41becb3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f8fe57d4bfda57f7) 20.20.30 Quit paulk ("Ex-Chat") 20.20.44 # but it apparently just works, even nicely 20.20.50 # polling a wheel is a big hack but unless we find a way to do interrupts we have no choice 20.21.05 # indeed 20.21.09 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.21.43 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.21.45 # the button driver is full of hacks anyway :p 20.21.47 # i'm hoping that if we ever get the AS353x datasheet, it will have a way to do dbop interrupts we can use but i'm not counting on it 20.22.33 # well, dbop has interrupts. but being rather a bus than a IO thing, it only has interrupts for FIFO etc 20.22.48 # yeah i vaguely remember that 20.22.51 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.23.01 # I hoped we can get interrupts on GPIOB, then switch to DBOP and read, but that doesn't seem possible 20.23.24 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.23.27 # the physical pins aren't the same IIRC, so its probably not 20.23.37 # * kugel managed to read power by using an interrupt, but no success for the wheel 20.23.55 # now we read power on dbop 20.23.58 # haha good thing sandisk let us get power on interrupts 20.24.34 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.24.42 # but actually, sandisk seems to do the same 20.24.57 # are there any ams developers who know rbutil or even c++? 20.25.07 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.25.08 # looking at the disassembly, it seems to call lcd_button_support (to write the red pixel) too. 20.25.36 # red pixel? 20.26.04 # we need to write a red pixel into the dbop fifo in order to read the buttons correctly 20.26.13 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.26.45 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.27.03 # using a output bus for buttons is fundamentally flawed anyway. thank you sandisk 20.27.31 # but, well, there's only 32 gpio lines, which is just too few, they probably didn't have a choice :( 20.27.43 # PP has like 100? 20.27.53 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.28.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.28.26 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.28.26 # still you'd think they'd put the hold button or something like that on DBOP, not the most time critical buttons 20.28.58 # yea 20.29.35 # kugel: It seems like PP allows most pins to be used as GPIO, including ones assigned to other functions like IDE. So for example a device which doesn't use IDE can use some those pins for GPIO, but if you want to use IDE, they have to be used for IDE. 20.29.36 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.30.09 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.31.15 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.31.22 # dreamlayers: that's on the as3525 too 20.31.39 # AMS sort of does that, where some DBOP pins are GPIO [iirc] but they have just 32 GPIO logical pins, and more physical pins so some are unmapped 20.31.49 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.31.54 # like GPIOD is almost exclusively used for xpd (SD interface) 20.32.05 # which is kind of baffling, physical pins are expensive, logical ones are not 20.32.13 # We basically cannot control the buttonlight correctly, because we cannot use it as GPIO 20.32.35 # did the repository get rid of the text viewer? 20.32.57 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.33.15 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD9544178.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.33.28 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.34.38 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.35.12 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.36.20 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.36.55 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.37.10 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.37.21 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.37.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.38.04 # Traveler: apps/plugins/viewer.c ? 20.38.05 Quit ultrasonic (SendQ exceeded) 20.38.19 # is the codec_pack.zip for CodecPerformanceComparison available anywhere? 20.38.41 Join ultrasonic [0] (n=manohar@203.199.213.3) 20.39.07 Join intrados_ [0] (n=intrados@cpe-71-67-129-220.woh.res.rr.com) 20.39.38 # ah, thanks; was looking for text_viewer.c 20.39.46 Quit Traveler ("Java user signed off") 20.40.17 # so is the Fuze (and AMS sansa general) port approaching usability now, if not efficiency? 20.40.45 # ./rs moni 20.41.04 # oops, sorry. 20.44.50 Join DarkSpectrum- [0] (n=ZX@c-68-41-243-38.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.46.43 Quit DarkSpectrum (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.47.39 # * dreamlayers found some non-critical bugs in flash-recorderv2-v3 BootBox 20.48.12 # saratoga2: how did you test mp3 performance? 20.48.39 # just do "open with" on a sufficiently small file? 20.49.13 Nick invisible_pie is now known as l403 (n=l@85.132.159.239) 20.50.01 Quit intrados (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.52.25 # ah, 4,1MB is too big already :/ 20.55.18 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.48 Quit jhMikeS (Nick collision from services.) 21.01.53 Join jhMikeS [50] (n=jethead7@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.02.11 # kugel: yeah I tested a 2MB mp3 21.02.33 # test_codec is broken :/ 21.03.00 # yeah it needs to be able to rebuffer tracks 21.03.01 # it doesn't update the display anymore when finished. if the backlight was off at this point, you cannot get the result 21.03.09 # kugel: that too 21.03.16 # thats the lock up thing i was talking about the other day 21.03.21 # i didn't realize it wasn't frozen 21.03.26 # heh 21.03.36 # if you turn off the backlight timeout the problem goes away 21.03.43 # or just keep hitting buttons so the back light never turns off 21.04.01 # this also means you cannot test without constant lcd updates, which surely affects the result 21.04.32 # it only updates the text about once a second, so hopefully not too much 21.05.11 # btw, have you seen my test_fps results? 21.05.27 # from yesterday? 21.05.46 # yea 21.05.58 Quit motionman ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.06.05 # they're pretty bad. only 50fps at max (boosted, full update) 21.06.13 # i saw but until we have MMU running they may not mean very much 21.06.28 Quit dreamlayers () 21.06.55 # err may not mean what we think they do 21.06.59 # I'm not sure if that will influence it 21.07.06 # everything is slow right now for some reason 21.09.19 Join feisar [0] (n=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 21.10.59 Join Zoxc [0] (i=Zoxc@ti0128a340-dhcp0261.bb.online.no) 21.12.13 # * kugel wonders about the colums in LcdFrameRate 21.12.44 # saratoga2: got 140MHz with my file 21.13.25 # 128kbit/ss cbr 21.15.25 Quit ultrasonic (Client Quit) 21.16.16 Quit Zarggg () 21.17.02 # 132MHz for one of my oggs 21.20.02 # kugel: heres a neat idea: comment out the call to mad_synth_thread_ready in mpa.c 21.20.21 # that will prevent mad from running the synth filterbank, which uses 50% of the CPU time 21.20.43 # if decoding gets 2x faster, then the slowdown is in the codec, otherwise its some other part of rockbox 21.22.28 # not today anymore :( 21.23.19 # I'm clocking CGU_AUDIO a bit higher, it might get a little faster with it (it's at the lowest clock currently) 21.24.38 Quit motionman95 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.27.12 Quit blithe ("Lost terminal") 21.27.23 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.36.48 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B471FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.42.19 Quit saratoga2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.42.46 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579ECF9F.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.44.50 Join XazZ [0] (n=XazZ@unaffiliated/xazz) 21.53.25 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.57.44 Quit feisar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.59.27 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 21.59.47 Quit feisar (Remote closed the connection) 22.03.56 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.09.16 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.09.39 Join bertrik_ [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.10.01 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.14.00 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 22.14.19 Quit DarkSpectrum- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.16.17 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.17.04 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.20.25 Join feisar [0] (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com) 22.25.43 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.28.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.29.01 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 22.44.36 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.57.33 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net) 22.58.11 Join saratoga_work [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-67d5dfcdce7369ac) 22.59.14 # kugel: you need to disconnect one of the battery leads and run it through a multimeter then into the device 22.59.19 # unfortunately this is hard to do on the fuze 22.59.48 # hm 23.00.01 # you can also splice a USB cable and measure the 5v line on it 23.00.01 # that means opening it again 23.00.24 # thats still pretty accurate since rockbox doesn't charge the battery on the fuze 23.00.25 # hm, I could do that 23.00.32 # my other cable is broken anyway 23.00.38 # it doesn't? 23.00.51 # i don't think charging is enabled on the fuze yet 23.01.10 # I thought it was just not calibrated 23.01.30 # so, I might have the tools in my uni to go the cable way 23.01.35 # wiki says no 23.01.47 # MMs are really cheap if not 23.02.05 # what do you want to do? 23.02.29 # kkurbjun: Freezing where/ under what condition(s)? 23.02.40 # get charging done, and messure savings with dbop turned off 23.03.33 # so measure how much power the OF uses charging and not charging and try to back out the charging current setting? 23.03.51 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-cb28aef7074c348a) 23.04.14 # something like that, yes :) 23.04.39 # Llorean i have a question for you 23.04.51 # that could be a bit tricky via the USB line, since you'll have to assume an efficiency for the charger's voltage converter 23.05.04 # * gevaerts steals froggyman's question and runs off with it 23.05.23 # i looked online and couldn't find the exact capacity of the fuze battery, but its very close to that of the e200 judging by its size 23.05.25 # amiconn, it looks like it's related to the font/font size. If the screen height is set to 16, and it loads a non-8x8 font, the player freezes 23.05.36 # it freezes right after boot 23.05.37 # how would you do it? maybe I should talk to bertrik about the details 23.05.39 # so taking a value a little less then the e200 but a little more then the clip should be pretty safe 23.05.41 # and the simulator does it too 23.05.50 # kkurbjun: Sounds weird.... 23.06.10 # * amiconn is about to build an mr500 sim with the remote resolution set back to 79x16 23.06.20 # froggyman: And that question is? 23.06.26 # run it first without doing make install and it will work 23.06.35 # then run it again after doing make install and it will freeze 23.07.02 # saratoga_work: bertrik said the mAH aren't very interesting for charging as is anyway, only for estimation 23.07.08 # (IIRC) 23.07.13 # how is it that you manage to always be on this IRC and on the rockbox support forums, do you even have a job? 23.07.13 # thats true 23.07.31 # kkurbjun: I bet it's a list problem or something like that 23.07.35 # its mainly just so that you know how much current to give them (you shouldn't charge them with more then 1/2 their capacity per hour) 23.07.50 # froggyman: There's 146 people in this room, do you honestly believe every single one of them is at the computer? 23.07.53 # With a font height > 8, th elist has no line to use when the statusbar is on 23.08.05 # yeah.. 23.08.11 # Statusbar should probably be permanently disabled on the olympus remote 23.08.26 # that's what I was thinking too 23.08.46 # but I would worry that fonts larger than 16x16 would cause problems too 23.08.58 # right now the screen is running at 1/4 resolution 23.09.02 # i see, the reason the nano 2g isnt supported is due to crytpo, does anyone have a good resource for information on what has already been discovered in relation to that? 23.09.12 # well, i guess not... 23.09.17 # but if someone builds with a 640x480 build they will probably want to use larger fonts 23.12.53 # At least the list should degrade gracefully - either just stop showing up on the remote without freezing the rest of rockbox, or probably better, just clip the font 23.13.15 # We can't do more until at least basic multifont support will be added 23.13.31 # (basic multifont == one font per display) 23.13.49 # amiconn, don't we still build with the system font? 23.13.58 # Pepsi1x1: wiki, forum thread, and that linux for nano site all had some info, i'm sure you can search and dig it up 23.14.04 # I wonder if that could be forced on the remote 23.14.07 # Sure, but using that is worse 23.14.28 # why is that? 23.14.30 # The sysfont only covers iso8859-1 23.14.40 # gotcha 23.27.38 # Hmph. 'make fullinstall' is b0rked 23.28.15 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.28.35 # hmm, I can't see where this is failing, it looks like the code is still running, just that the screens are no longer updating, the backlights never change. It just sits in button.c uisdl.c, and kernel-sdl.c. 23.29.43 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 23.30.03 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 23.31.50 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 23.32.00 # kkurbjun: I'm 99% sure this is a list problem 23.32.28 # I created a config.cfg manually, just setting the font 23.32.58 # Fonts <= 8 pixel (regardless which one) and the sim works. 9 pixels -> boom 23.33.50 # yeah.., I was just trying to run through gdb and see where it's failing.. I'm not too familiar with the list code yet 23.34.21 # it just freezes for you too, no segfaults or anything like that right? 23.35.18 Quit XazZ ("Leaving") 23.35.29 # Statusbar disabled -> 9 pixel font works 23.37.00 # 16 pixels work, 18 pixels -> freeze 23.38.44 # Unfortunately the statusbar can only be disabled for both displays at once. While I do think that it should be disabled permanently on the mrobe remote, it would probably make sense to have a separate setting for main & remote on other targets with remote lcd 23.39.32 # yeah, agreed, that's what I was thinking of doing eventually 23.41.52 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 23.42.33 Join hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@unaffiliated/hillshum) 23.43.31 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.43.36 Join Bernd [0] (n=5b277c86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-89df8696b6e92b4f) 23.46.44 Join taylor_ [0] (n=taylor@c-24-91-82-205.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.47.30 Part wincent ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 23.50.09 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B471FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.51.07 Quit Lss (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.51.12 Join Riku [0] (n=Lss@cm146.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 23.52.14 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.52.16 # Llorean: i just realized one of the other ideas we had discussed re:the forums, was to move "Hardware" and "Repairing Broken Players" to what has now become "Third Party" 23.52.37 # disabling the synth filter bank on the Fuze for Mp3 makes MP3 much faster, but still takes ~80MHz 23.52.51 # and while doing so to unnest "Repairing Broken Players" from its "hiding place" under hardware. 23.54.08 # Not because the Hardware forums have ever been "out of control" but because we strengthen the line between what is Rockbox (and we can support to the best of our abilities) and what is Not Rockbox and we mearly tolerate. ;) 23.54.21 # soap: Well "Hardware" shouldn't be third party 23.54.34 # It isn't Rockbox. ;) 23.54.40 # Its intent, at least when I originally organized things, was to be basically the "firmware" layer of Rockbox 23.54.57 # Questions about battery calibration, or other issues where it's Rockbox's support of the hardware. 23.55.13 # as in questions regarding support for hardware not discussion of replacing batteries and such? 23.55.17 # so it looks like the CPU is very slow (which is odd since I've got nearly everything in IRAM), but other things are probably also very slow (which makes more sense, maybe buffering is also very slow without cache) 23.55.17 # The repairing broken players on the other hand is a gray area, since arguably nothing there actually directly involves Rockbox 23.55.26 # soap: Exactly. Replacing batteries is "repairing" 23.55.33 # at least we know theres not one device driver busy waiting 90% of the cpu's time 23.56.31 # soap: I'll reorg Hardware and Repairing into the originally intended Hardware (under Rockbox) and "Repairing / Upgrading Players" 23.56.42 # With some new POSTING IN THIS FORUM and descriptions. 23.56.56 # Then hardware can stay under Rockbox, and Repairing/Upgrading can go to third party 23.57.35 # I'm thinking about that "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" - because I see what you're getting at in this context, I didn't see before, and I'm trying to figure out why I didn't grok it before.