--- Log for 15.04.109 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 28 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.36 Quit CaptainKwel ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.03.51 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 00.04.10 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.04.40 # caption backlight is weird 00.04.56 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.04.58 # what if I have set backlight timeout to 2 min? 00.05.11 # that'll give me 4 min of backlight on 00.05.39 # and 2 minutes backlight timeout is not odd in itself? 00.05.47 # not for me 00.05.50 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 00.06.24 # to me it means you want it on for very extended periods, so why not for caption backlight as well? 00.06.27 # I have set it to 2 min, and use hold to turn it off manually 00.06.50 # * kugel would set it to always on, but fears to forget to hold 00.07.28 Quit Strife89 ("Gotta go.") 00.07.42 # Bagder: well, it should backlight on on track transition. 4 min is a very loose definition of track transition :) 00.08.08 # * kugel would just set it to 5 seconds always, or max it to 15 seconds 00.08.47 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.08.50 # well, if you need 2 minutes timeout to read the screen in usual situations, then maybe you'll need 4 minutes to really read the screen at the song change? :-) 00.09.04 # * Bagder really cares very little about caption backlight... 00.09.09 # * kugel too 00.13.49 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.15.04 # kugel: I think you should try to give a slightly more verbose commit message 00.15.05 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 00.15.25 # like when you read this in three months you want to understand why you changed this 00.15.43 # yea, should've said what broke it 00.15.56 # right, or what specificly that made it work again 00.17.10 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.17.51 # apps/codecs/libtremor/asm_mcf5249.h - the alignment check should be (int)x&15 not (int)x&16 , right? 00.18.05 # sorry, I'm trying to explain commits better, but I'm a bit tired today, so I missed it a bit 00.18.48 # no worries, I just wanted to mention it 00.19.04 # you're not the first one 00.19.53 # kugel: Btw, I know what causes the 4->8 hex digit effect for ams dbop debug 00.20.09 # what? 00.20.45 # %x expects an unsigned int, but button_dbop_data() returns a (signed) short 00.20.57 # So this short is sign-extended 00.21.07 # oh 00.21.11 Quit ender` (" Lisp hackers have to be bound (to-do 'it) ...") 00.21.41 # It's usually a good idea to use unsigned ints for all sorts of register stuff 00.22.35 Quit jon-kha (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.39 # yea, it wouldn't hurt too 00.22.41 # Unsigned because it avoids nasty surprises wrt sign extension, and int because it is the "natural" format of the CPU 00.22.55 Join katzeee [0] (n=whoneeds@dslb-088-069-186-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.22.59 # the bus is only 16 bits though 00.23.02 # stripwax: that does look odd 00.23.07 # This usually avoids extraneous shifts and maskings. 00.23.28 # Yes. The actual register must of course be 16 bit 00.23.45 # I picked short not because it's smaller 00.23.52 # saratoga_work22 - indeed. wondering if that (plus/minus maybe me putting the vorbis_apply_window into ICODE) could be causing the iriver slowness in fs#9882 00.24.01 # ...but the variable to handle it can still be an int. It costs 2 bytes of ram more - and usually saves much more than that 00.24.10 Quit saratoga_work22 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.24.36 Join saratoga_work [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ba48212473c9731) 00.24.52 # well, the function in the debug directly returns the variable that's the register content is saved to 00.25.37 # There are situations where you want to use short (unsigned short, char etc), e.g. if there's a whole array of values (saving space) or if you want/need to rely on the masking 00.25.47 # stripwax: also some of those asm functions uses %16 to check for alignment (!) 00.25.51 # strange build problem #2 on godeater's box 00.25.54 # Yes, and that variable could very well be an unsigned int 00.26.07 # n1s right. gcc might be smart about that, though, right? 00.26.13 # that one is masked for buttons in other functions 00.26.17 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 00.26.18 # the keyword is "might" :) 00.26.31 # :) 00.26.52 # stripwax: you don't have SVN access right? 00.27.03 # still no :( 00.27.07 # kugel: If you don't want to do that, you either need to use an unsigned short at least, or double-cast in the debug function 00.27.38 # unsigned short will do it 00.27.38 Quit cspotcode (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.47 Join cspotcode [0] (n=bradla@ninetails-63.dynamic.rpi.edu) 00.27.53 # there, I think I fixed the problem on godeater.dyndns.org now 00.27.55 # saratoga_work, stripwax : if you go change that file, note that it's duplicated in apps/codecs/lib too 00.28.04 # but I rather not take special care of the other 16bits when reading the buttons off it or the like 00.28.11 # * stripwax sighs 00.28.17 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 00.28.42 # ... that should probably be cleaned up 00.29.15 # stripwax: You're right about that alignment check... 00.29.34 # saratoga_work - mm, good news, that *looks* like it shaves 2MHz off of stock svn (for 128kbps vorbis according to test_codec) .. as opposed to adding it .. 00.29.53 # I'll wait for test_codec to complete, post my findings and updated patch, and see how that rolls for others watching that task... 00.30.01 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.30.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.31.44 # stripwax: Btw, vector_copy could just use a memcpy() call. That's more optimised for sure... 00.32.15 # amiconn - apparently not. or, at least, I tried that, and measured performance got worse 00.32.16 # Well, actually ci->memcpy, but there is a wrapper iirc 00.32.25 # That's odd... 00.32.41 Join evilnick_7 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c6f2e24c59a1ca7c) 00.32.43 # How long are the typical vectors? 00.32.46 # memcpy seems to be faster for arm; vect_copy seems to be faster for coldfire 00.33.47 # I think they are usually between 128x4 bytes and 1024x4 bytes 00.34.12 # i think its 128 words or 1024 words for all known vorbis encoders 00.34.15 # amiconn: I'm aware that int is generally better, but in this situation I rather stick to short. Thanks for the explaination 00.34.25 # except very low bitrates 00.34.40 # ah didn't know about that 00.34.45 # saratoga_work - hm, actually, no that didn't seem to make much difference 00.34.56 # (on h120 test_codec timings) 00.34.58 # low sampling rates might make sense 00.35.04 # hm, the svn server doesn't respond 00.35.13 # if you half the sample rate using shorter blocks so that the duration is constant is common 00.35.34 # Hmm, that's already quite long. I would expect memcpy to be faster there (on cf)... 00.36.27 # Especially since vect_copy has the same alignment check bug as vect_add 00.36.44 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9/2009030810]") 00.36.58 # amiconn - trying right now 00.38.48 # amiconn: does the 16 byte alignment make any difference for coldfire? 00.38.57 # yes 00.39.37 # could memcpy then perhaps miss this opportunity? 00.39.41 # It does if movem is used with at least 4 registers (which is the case here). 16 byte alignment causes it to use line bursts 00.40.05 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 00.40.17 # It certainly doesn't. memcpy even strives to make use of 16 byte alignment for both source and destination, for any possible offset 00.40.28 # * amiconn wrote our cf memcpy.... 00.41.00 # With the (other) code changes that I'm testing, I'm actually calling memcpy (or vect_copy..) less often than we do in svn - or at least that's the hope - which maybe explains why I get no discernable benefit using memcpy vs vect_copy ? 00.41.14 # Actually there is a situation where 16 byte alignment doesn't matter, and a simpler loop is faster: if both source and destination are in iram 00.41.16 # then maybe it's some icache effect, vect copy is inlined and certainly much smaller than memcpy 00.41.35 # memcpy is in iram.... 00.41.50 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.41.51 # ah, and i suppose those buffers are in iram 00.41.55 # (but not inlined, that's true) 00.42.24 # But if the buffer is in iram, the 16 byte aligment thing is unnecessary 00.43.44 # stripwax: You could test with the 16 byte alignment thingies before the loops removed 00.45.41 # * amiconn should really do something about this memcpy/memove monster on cf... 00.46.20 # sure, I could do. I just tried replacing the body of vect_copy with a call to memcpy for no discernable improvement in test_codec 00.47.16 # [again that's improvement vs the patch in fs#9882, not necessarily no discernable benefit vs svn] 00.48.23 # Is there any way to pass information from the codec to the debug_menu screen? e.g. stats, memory allocation, or anything else I may want to show in realtime status? 00.48.40 # (thinking that only viable alternative to debugging this is logf-over-serial) 00.49.16 # if you run on sim you can just print it out 00.49.29 # mm, but I want target data 00.49.54 # unless there's a way to make sim think it has 128K iram for ipod-video sim builds? 00.51.15 # no and the IRAM defines don't do anything on sim anyway 00.51.27 # but if you just want to count bytes, that should be more or less the same, excepting code sizes 00.52.59 Join faemir [0] (n=quassel@88-106-238-71.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 00.55.46 # was actually thinking of running the test codec files thru sim on a variety of target iram size assumptions. but knowing that sim ignores iram defines means I can just tweak the static memory allocation that the sim uses to pretend to be a given target, which should work just as well 00.56.56 # it's far too late for me to try that out now though, will have to wait to some other day 00.58.02 # oh you mean for the IRAM malloc stuff? 00.58.35 Quit cspotcode ("Leaving.") 00.58.45 Join cspotcode [0] (n=bradla@ninetails-63.dynamic.rpi.edu) 00.59.46 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 01.01.39 Quit flydutch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.57 Quit Keripo1 ("Leaving.") 01.07.17 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host188-162-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.08.53 Join hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@unaffiliated/hillshum) 01.10.16 # Okay, it's not april 1st and svn's down 01.10.46 # "Destination Net Unreachable" 01.10.52 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.10.53 # svn was not down on april 1st ;) 01.11.11 # about what I got 01.11.17 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=Paule@vpn-3020.gwdg.de) 01.11.20 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]") 01.11.40 # it looks like a problem at the hosting place, but we'll see in the morning (1am here atm) 01.14.02 # what else is there? is it all down? 01.14.18 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 01.14.36 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.15.41 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 01.17.44 Join Anonym [0] (n=Anonym@c213-100-135-195.swipnet.se) 01.17.54 # # Appears as !!!!!!Julez4Dealz.http://www.reach-chat.com/characters/!!!!!!Julez4Dealz.AVB 01.18.25 Nick Anonym is now known as VirtualDistance (n=Anonym@c213-100-135-195.swipnet.se) 01.18.36 # hi 01.19.08 # One question 01.19.12 # hello 01.19.22 # I run rockbox on c200 01.19.52 # just updated , see i no longer boot into openfm when connecting cable to pc 01.20.05 # but my microsd still won't work 01.20.14 # are you using the OF? 01.20.19 # or rockbox? 01.20.25 # rockbox man 01.20.29 # What does openfm mean? 01.20.33 # for usb? 01.20.37 # i can transfer files in rockbox 01.21.01 # are you asking how to get into the original firmware? 01.21.07 # mp3 wav ogg no prob as long as its the memory of the player 01.21.16 Join Keripo [0] (n=Keripo@eng044.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 01.21.17 # No im asking if i can get into the microsd :D 01.21.28 # it won't show up 01.22.07 # does it work in an other card reader? 01.22.11 # yup 01.22.25 # what OS? 01.22.27 # and in the rockbox software too 01.22.30 # windows dude 01.23.06 # So you want to use the Original Firmware to transfer to an SDHC card under Windows? 01.23.23 # yup 01.23.28 # Rockbox is not going to affect the behaviour of the OF 01.23.31 # that doesn't work 01.23.37 # Rockbox is a complete replacement 01.23.47 # original rockbox 01.23.51 # to transfer files 01.23.59 # thats what i meant 01.24.08 # i have no idea what that means 01.24.10 # fuck the sansa lame OS :D 01.24.17 # hmm guys 01.24.21 # this is strange 01.24.35 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.24.44 # it found my sdcard now 01.25.01 # as that extra drive that never could be opened earlier 01.25.20 # VirtualDistance: You can use Rockbox USB to transfer to the card if it's SDHC. Or you can use the OF if the card is only SD (no HC). 01.25.44 # it is sdhc man 01.25.47 # so basically you never tried using rockbox to access your card, assumed it couldn't, and then eventually discovered that it could 01.25.54 # is this a summary of whatever you are trying to say 01.26.21 # i've been around rockbox earlier just never thought that this update would be so rad 01.26.31 # i hated switching to OF earlier 01.26.39 # i'll take that as a yes 01.26.50 # just for the sake of a few files 01.26.53 Join JdGordon|| [0] (i=cff4943f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e9504be61f121c9d) 01.27.08 # VirtualDistance: Rockbox is fairly gnarly 01.27.17 # dudes sdhc transfer works here 01.27.22 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.27.44 # coolness 01.28.05 # Glad that you like it. 01.28.49 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.28.50 # u kidding? rockbox kicks ass !! makes me wanna boot that OF to hell now since its useless :) 01.30.01 # just one question 01.30.26 # will that new e200 series have the same functionality with usb when the release comes? 01.30.37 # yes 01.30.37 # the v2? 01.30.41 # Yes 01.30.46 # i believe they were called ams 01.31.38 # cool , i'll keep an eye out for that one 01.31.46 # likely the ams ones will not have USB--at least not at first 01.32.22 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]") 01.32.42 # guess they use diffrent usb-parts 01.33.04 # most of the parts are different 01.35.33 # neat 01.36.04 # any release date yet for that ams one? 01.36.17 # nope 01.36.26 Quit JdGordon|| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.37.38 # VirtualDistance, release dates are impossible to update, as all work is done in people's free time 01.37.50 # er, impossible to estimate 01.38.34 # damn payed people do get tje job done in a louzy way 01.38.36 Quit cspotcode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.38.59 # of is a joke compared to rockbox 01.39.12 # this isn't the right place to talk about the original firmware or how much you like rockbox 01.39.16 # try rockbox-community 01.39.44 # ok guys thanx for all aid im outta here 01.39.46 Part VirtualDistance 01.41.43 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 01.43.02 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 01.47.03 Quit evilnick_7 ("mibbit.com: yippee, freedom") 01.47.11 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@e181081109.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.47.38 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 01.47.39 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.47.58 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.48.29 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.48.33 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.48.42 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.49.36 Part toffe82 01.55.12 Quit katzeee ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.55.33 Quit Conic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.56.53 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.59.02 Join cmwslw [0] (n=cmwslw@c-68-59-238-111.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 01.59.32 Nick bittin___ is now known as bittin` (n=bittin@c-71-227-157-72.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 02.00.15 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 02.14.31 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.17.01 Join soap_ [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 02.17.17 Part soap_ 02.23.00 Join JdGordon_ [0] (i=cff4943f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b679ca65da57f78a) 02.24.38 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.26.01 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 02.26.28 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 02.30.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.36.15 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.51.208.23) 02.40.45 Join jordan` [0] (n=jordan@jem75-10-88-182-222-63.fbx.proxad.net) 02.41.43 Part cmwslw ("Ex-Chat") 02.50.33 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.39 # svn is back! 02.52.34 Quit hillshum ("Leaving") 02.57.12 Quit jordan` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.02.19 Quit JdGordon_ ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.02.26 Quit jordan`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.03.57 Join jordan` [0] (n=jordan@jem75-10-88-182-222-63.fbx.proxad.net) 03.35.50 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.44.00 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.46.54 Quit tvelocity (Remote closed the connection) 03.50.55 Join bs66_ [0] (n=sysuser@94.191.174.75.bredband.tre.se) 03.59.35 Join Strife89 [0] (n=nds@204.116.244.200) 04.13.04 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.13.51 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 04.19.54 Quit intrados (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.20.59 Join intrados [0] (n=intrados@cpe-71-67-129-220.woh.res.rr.com) 04.21.43 Quit intrados (SendQ exceeded) 04.21.56 Quit Strife89 ("I need some sleep.") 04.22.07 Quit bs66_1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.23.20 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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I tried to connect to IRC last night from home to get your help while I was in lunyx, but as I told you the connection was bad 10.32.59 # I did bring my netbook to work today though :) 10.35.45 # linuxstb: I have a fresh installation of a distro called "moblin", but the problem is that apt-get isn't installed on it... 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every time i try, and always on the same file 17.47.11 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.94.215) 17.48.13 # pinguen: Which file, out of curiousity? 17.48.53 # linuxstb: /tools/release/README 17.50.16 # * linuxstb shrugs 17.50.18 # out of space? 17.50.43 # ive got 188GB free on the drive 17.51.33 # i tried it with a windows client, the cygwin client, and in debian, and it stops at the same file in all of them 17.51.54 # * linuxstb tries a new checkout 17.53.09 # Worked fine... 17.53.25 # :-\ 17.53.48 # pinguen: "tools" the first directory it downloads, so it stops almost immediately? 17.54.06 # yeah it gets about 8 files 17.55.19 # Have you ever downloaded the Rockbox SVN in the past, or is this your first attempt? 17.55.30 # pinguen: worked fine here too 17.56.24 # this is the first time, although i have downloaded other projects off of svn just fine 17.57.04 # pinguen: And what command are you typing to checkout? 17.57.22 # linuxstb: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox-trunk 17.57.40 # * GodEater suggests trying git instead ? 17.58.19 Quit Zagor ("Don't panic") 17.59.53 Quit Keripo ("Leaving.") 18.00.12 # pinguen: Maybe try checking out the other directories individually, to try and narrown down the problem? e.g. "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/apps rockbox-trunk/apps" 18.00.33 # the file after README is in tools too 18.00.41 # or try git :D 18.00.50 # (unless the order is not defined) 18.01.03 # ill try this now 18.02.26 Part rm ("You are happier than you realize") 18.02.26 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.05.03 Quit hillshum ("Leaving") 18.05.56 Join midijunkie [0] (n=Miranda@pD9E54141.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.06.00 Join wangxiang [0] (n=wangxian@210.77.2.120) 18.08.44 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@vpn-3092.gwdg.de) 18.10.12 Quit wangxiang_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.16.22 Join Keripo [0] (n=Keripo@eng044.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 18.16.59 Nick J-23 is now known as J-23__ (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 18.17.34 Nick J-23__ is now known as J-23 (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 18.25.33 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host188-162-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.30.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.37.09 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.37.15 Join fabrice_26 [0] (n=4ee69574@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-862dfab3a2e21df1) 18.37.39 # hello @ll 18.38.50 # linuxstb: well, trying other directories alone didn't seem to work, it would zip along for a while and then just freeze again 18.42.16 # pinguen: once more I recommend trying git 18.42.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GitVersionControl/ 18.42.34 # ive been messing with that for a few minutes, never used it before 18.42.45 # do i need to use clone or checkout? 18.42.48 # there are instructions at the bottom 18.43.00 # well there would be 18.43.03 # if I'd got the url right 18.43.04 # one sec 18.43.12 # i found it 18.43.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl 18.43.18 # :) 18.43.39 # use the instructions under the title "The public Rockbox git repository" 18.43.55 # since I don't think the git-svn ones will help you much 18.44.51 Quit nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.48.25 # so, i used git clone git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox 18.48.37 # and it seemed to go well 18.48.46 # excellent news 18.48.47 # but did that give me trunk? 18.48.51 # yes 18.48.59 # the git repo is a clone of the svn trunk 18.49.03 # ah 18.49.08 # every commit to svn is published there too 18.49.14 # pinguen: did you try SVN over HTTP? 18.49.27 # well thanks GodEater, now i can get to compiling :) 18.49.32 # np ;) 18.49.39 # mcuelenaere: yeah, that did the same thing 18.49.41 # * GodEater chalks up a score for git ;) 18.49.52 # i wonder why svn isnt working for me 18.50.06 # what version is your svn client ? 18.50.54 # svn, version 1.6.1 (r37116) 18.50.57 # this is in Cygwin 18.51.08 # but i also tried it in Debian and with QSvn in Windows 18.51.16 Quit raymanism ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.51.46 # very odd 18.52.47 # mcuelenaere: actually, i was wrong ... svn over http gave me '200 OK' 18.53.05 # what did normal SVN give you then? 18.53.57 # it would freeze on tools/release/README every single time 18.54.23 # hmm, i just compiled and it says rockbox is version "r20710M-090415" <- what is the M? I haven't seen that before 18.54.41 # means the source has been modified 18.54.51 # you get that if you use the git repo I think 18.55.09 # ah 18.55.21 # Didn't that patch to include git info in the version string get committed? 18.55.29 # linuxstb: I've no idea 18.55.37 # If so I've never noticed it 18.55.41 # and I always use the git repo 18.56.06 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B4758C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.56.58 # * GodEater will build now to see 18.57.44 # No, it seems that "r20710M-090415" is the outcome of that patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9758 18.57.53 # wow 18.57.58 # they made a patch to do that? 18.58.07 # I could have sworn that's what it did in the first place ;) 18.58.15 # Apparently "svnversion" didn't like being run in a git checkout... 18.58.51 # well it wouldn't I imagine - there's not .svn dir 18.58.57 # Or something.... 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No-one has yet found a way around that. 22.21.06 # But to be honest, there's not a great interest from existing Rockbox developers - there are many other devices Rockbox does run on. 22.22.54 Join sordup [0] (n=sordup@adsl-75-37-3-192.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 22.23.15 # really, what a pity 22.29.35 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 22.30.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.35.19 # yeah 22.35.31 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.39 # i have a 1g ipodnano 22.38.03 Join PaulJam [0] (i=Paule@vpn-3020.gwdg.de) 22.39.29 # http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Nano2G 22.40.24 # nano 4g neither supported :F 22.42.03 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f3488d8fe4d2564a) 22.42.30 # theres gotta be a way to exploit the firmware to get it to exec something eh? like those xbox hax ;) 22.42.48 # make a mp3 that crashes and execs a bootloader 22.42.52 # perhaps, you are welcom to try;P 22.42.55 # welcome* 22.43.08 # me nah but i'm considering possibilities 22.43.58 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.13 # Greetings from a newbie on the channel. 22.46.13 # I am seeking help with a ihp-140 showing a Result: -5 error on boot-up 22.48.40 Join DerPapst [0] (n=Alexande@p4FE8F96B.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.49.48 # do we have a svnversion problem on git? 22.52.04 # I have a question for some of the devolpers: I want to get into programming (the only languages i know now are Ti-Basic and Z80 assembly for the TI calcs), and i want to start on C for my first full language, so does anybody know of any good guides and programs for this? 22.52.55 # google 22.53.24 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@dyndsl-091-096-000-117.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 22.53.40 # froggyman : you're probably better off asking this question in ##c 22.53.52 # yeah they have tuts 22.53.57 Quit BXCracer (Remote closed the connection) 22.53.59 # check the motd 22.54.26 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.54.28 # MT: what do you mean by ##c? 22.54.44 # /join ##C 22.55.02 # froggyman : IRC channel ##c '/join ##c' like you joined rockbox 22.55.08 # ohh 22.56.33 # anyone know what Rockbox boot error "Result: -5" indicates? 22.56.42 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.57.01 # sordup: I'm no expert, but from looking at the code, Result: -5 means Bad Checksum. Also you can see that checksum != sum in your screenshot from the forums 22.58.22 # perrikwp: thanks. but what does that indicate, then. 22.59.05 # Try re-extracting the build 23.00.11 # i have tried. even on multiple discs. cannot boot to original firmware even. 23.00.12 # a failed checksum probably means a bad file, or hardware that can't read the file correctly (broken or whatever) 23.00.26 # then probably bad hardware 23.01.04 # saratoga: and therefore unfixable? it has been all of a sudden. 23.01.35 # version.sh seems to work for me, it reports a bare svn revision on a vanilla build, or adds an M if there are local changes. maybe this is a .gitignore issue, and it's thinking that its modified because of build files? 23.03.03 # sordup: Have you flashed the bootloader? 23.03.18 # (sorry, stupid question) 23.03.50 # is it possible to flash and patch the original firmware (iriver ihp-140) from a PC -i.e. without booting into the original firmware. i cannot boot at all. i can read and write to disc when connected to a PC. 23.04.40 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 23.06.00 # I meant - is it possible to flash and patch the original firmware (iriver ihp-140) from a PC -i.e. without booting into the original firmware ? 23.07.17 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 23.07.31 Join Calaco [0] (n=46461d85@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-dca5943da1042088) 23.07.38 # sordup: I *think* that it is, but perhaps only with special hardware. If you've posted in the forum can you paste that link? 23.07.42 # hello 2 all !!! 23.08.24 # does any1 here know much about crossflashing ipod's 23.09.05 # evilnick_230: here > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21297.msg148589#msg148589 23.10.42 # can u simply crossflash ipod classic 5.5 firmware to a ipod video 23.11.04 # Calaco: iPod 5.5G ARE iPod Videos 23.11.42 # Calaco: also, we don't flash ipods, we just install Rockbox on their disks, no flashing required 23.11.49 # sry my mistake on the 5.5 (duh iknew that) 23.12.15 # * DerPapst doubts that it is possible to flash the firmware of one ipod generation to a different one. 23.12.27 # right now i don't think its possible to flash them at all 23.13.08 # if you update the firmware the aupd image gets flashed on the internal rom. 23.13.17 # im trying to put rockbox on buddy's 80gb ipod but its a classic, i was wondering if its possible to put the the firmware from my ipodvideo onto his classic inorder 2 rockbox 23.13.26 # sordup: I'm not an expert on the bootloader, but I used to own an H140. I would guess that it is indeed a hardware issue 23.13.30 # Calaco: No 23.13.34 # lol 23.13.47 # Calaco: entirely different hardware. not possible 23.14.21 # evilnick_230: meaning, now a paper weight? 23.14.41 # sordup: It's a nicely sized external hard drive ;) 23.14.52 # i figured that, it was just a shot in the dark 23.15.48 # evilnick_230: that's true. thanks for helping me stay positive. you're not so evil after all. 23.16.04 # sordup: If I were you then I'd try to find out who did the preliminary work on the H1x0 port as they'll be the best person to ask 23.16.05 # another question i have is: what would it take to get my rockbox bootloader to boot ipod linux 23.16.36 # Calaco: That wouldn't be supported here 23.16.47 # pressing play/pause iirc. the linux kernel has to be stored on the fat32 partition 23.17.02 # thanks 23.17.06 # evilnick_230: where else should he ask then? 23.17.20 Quit kugel ("ChatZilla 0.9.84-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9/2009030810]") 23.17.51 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.18.04 # i've got it to load linux.bin, but it freezes, i think it may need some sort of cfg file, but unsure 23.18.21 # thats offtopic 23.18.31 # Calaco: rockbox' bootloader doesn't use any config files. 23.19.07 # saratoga: but it's a feature of the official rockbox bootloader isn't it? ;) 23.19.46 # though the problem might be somewhere else which is indeed off topic here then 23.19.55 # yes it is 23.21.25 # i know the rockbox bootloader doesnt use cfg files but it does give u the option of loading linux.bin and when i load the linux.bin, it freezes in startup 23.21.30 # Calaco: you might want to join #ipodlinux incase it's not a problem with rockbox bootloader. 23.21.50 Quit HBK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.22.09 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.23.00 # im already there :) 23.25.20 # DerPapst: presumably a weird combination of iPod linux and #rockbox-community 23.27.13 # probably... ;) 23.28.55 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.31.50 Part sordup 23.40.43 Quit evilnick_230 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.41.13 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 23.42.10 # saratoga , linuxstb : I've now removed avcodeccontext. But to do that I created a new struct (RMContext) which would take in all the codec-independent data from the parser, so that later on when adding more codecs, we wouldn't need to modify the parser to take a different codec context. (I'm very very sleepy so I hope my words make sense :) ) 23.43.00 # MT: That seems to make sense. 23.43.13 Part Keripo 23.43.54 # linuxstb : code is going to svn in a minute if you want to check it out later. 23.46.42 Quit Calaco ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.49.54 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 23.51.25 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 23.53.25 Join cmwslw [0] (n=cmwslw@c-68-59-238-111.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 23.57.46 Quit bertrik ("Leaving")