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00.03.58 #       <dfkt> i just converted two guinea pigs, err, friends to rockbox... they were so kind as to test my fuze compile :)
00.04.26 #       <dfkt> now they can't believe what they missed with the OF
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00.07.45 #       <froggyman> is it possible to install rockbox on an iPod 4th gen (not nano) without the administrator password?
00.10.03 #       <JdGordon|> depends how much effort you want to put into it
00.10.46 #       <JdGordon|> you could download a linux boot cd and run rbutil inside that, then you wont need the password
00.14.13 #       <froggyman> thats what i thought, because i have a friend who isnt an admin on his computer and wants to give it a try, but i will just install it for him then. I thought about giving him one of my live CDs but he really isnt that great with computers and i didnt want to confuse hime
00.14.52 #       <evilnick_7> Not an admin on his _own_ computer?
00.15.31 #       <froggyman> well, its his dads and well he isnt "trusted" as admin on it
00.16.10 #       <evilnick_7> Gotchya
00.24.38 #       <EternalRains> can you make an advanced custom livecd that will automatically do detection, rbutil, and all?
00.25.26 #       <evilnick_7> EternalRains: How many people who want to use Rockbox wouldn't have admin rights on their own PC though?
00.26.13 #       <EternalRains> but it would be awesome to have a crazy livecd that would do it all :)
00.26.20 #       * EternalRains sets to work
00.26.27 #       <EternalRains> argh, windows
00.27.10 #       <evilnick_7> Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but I'm not sure how useful it'd be
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00.58.47 #       <Llorean> evilnick_7: Honestly, it might be somewhat useful for Bootloader installs on some of our trickier targets.
00.58.57 #       <Llorean> There are a few installs that just don't work as well in Windows.
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01.01.36 #       <JdGordon|> it shouldnt be too hard to do...
01.01.46 #       <JdGordon|> the problem is having an outdated rbutil on it
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02.09.19 #       <jac0b> I can't get ubuntu to notice my gigabeat. Can someone help me
02.11.44 #       <jac0b> this is all I get in dmesg http://pastebin.com/dfcc8735
02.12.02 #       <jac0b> It comes up in windows but not in linux
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02.46.08 #       <jac0b> can anyone help with mounting my mp3 player
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02.46.36 #       <saratoga> (looking at the logs)  if its working in Windows but not in Linux something is wrong with your linux
02.47.03 #       <jac0b> but it mounted a couple days ago
02.47.07 #       <jac0b> and now it won't
02.47.51 #       <jac0b> and then my player is stuck on the USB screen and I have to manually reset it.
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05.55.29 #       * JdGordon spots an interesting iap patch in the tracker and tests it out
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06.00.52 #       * JdGordon grumbles... a/v reciver still says unsupported ipod
06.06.07 #       <Llorean> You sure it's compatible with older iPods? Maybe the protocol changed for the "Classic"?
06.08.40 #       <JdGordon> it says its not... but we should be able to fake any protocol version
06.09.49 #       <JdGordon> have we got any way to log the commands as they come in?
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06.21.38 #       <Llorean> JdGordon: Not yet, I don't think
06.22.43 #       <JdGordon> well, I mean, if our handling works for the newer ipods then we should be able to pretend to be a 5g instead of a mini
06.24.08 #       <Llorean> Well, I don't know that we pretend to be anything yet, we just implement the parts of whatever version we know about
06.25.58 #       <JdGordon> hmm.... my log file is empty so guess its time to fake the usb id's
06.28.10 #       <JdGordon> :( so much for that then
06.30.05 #       <JdGordon> note to self.... fdprintf only works if you give it a fd :p
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07.07.29 #       <CIA-63> New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20818): M:Robe 500: Rearrage TSC2100 reads to make touchscreen more reliable, add hack to get lcd_sleep working/called again, fix the panic handler so that it ...
07.07.44 #       <kkurbjun> kugel, for the logs, it looks like the lcd_sleep functionality is broken, it doesn't work as is on the m:robe and I would guess that it is broken on the gigabeat as well (not sure about other players).  If you could provide some insight on why it might not be working on the m:robe it would be appreciated.
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07.20.33 #       <CIA-63> New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20819): M:Robe 500: Fix red, commit missing work, reduce lcd wakeup time.
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07.49.24 #       <mrkiko> Hi all!
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09.03.20 #       <kugel> kkurbjun: how's it broken? It's clearly called on my e200
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09.06.35 #       <kugel> hmm, I see
09.07.59 #       <amiconn> kugel: The backlight handling change is a bit nasty. It takes away a lot of precision
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09.10.17 #       <kugel> amiconn: no
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09.10.31 #       <kugel> not from what I've "messured"
09.10.58 #       <amiconn> It does. Simply subtracting n ticks after sleeping n ticks assumes that all threads always yield immediately
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09.11.49 #       <amiconn> You'll probably not notice when testing unless you cause heavy load (preferably by plugins not yielding often)
09.12.19 #       <kugel> then fix it there
09.13.26 #       <kugel> that's no reason to run code 100 times a second when it needs to be run per second only (not even that sometimes)
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09.14.09 #       <amiconn> I didn't say that the timing can't be handled in a thread instead of a tick task. Just the way the calculation is done leads to loss of precision
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09.15.45 #       <kugel> I've been testing with current_tick - last_tick, that didn't work any better (less actually, it happened to be 99 at times
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09.17.47 #       <kugel> and this means (if it happens only once) that the timeout will be less than zero 1 second later
09.17.51 #       <amiconn> I'd calculate the tick when backlight needs to shut off, and then use TIME_AFTER() to check for it
09.18.39 #       <amiconn> This may need special cases for always-on and always-off though
09.19.12 #       <kugel> TIME_AFTER can't handle equality though
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09.20.37 #       <kugel> always-on and always-off are special cases already anyway
09.21.01 #       <amiconn> Why would it need to handle equality?
09.22.08 #       <Revenger> I couldn't find anywhere on the rockbox site to add a feature request it is that the utility should check for a new version of itself on load and also in about there should be a check for update link
09.22.11 #       <kugel> when the timeout is say 8 seconds, then you want backlight to go off in the 8th call (not in the 9th, since TIME_AFTER would be true in the 9th one, in the 8th one the difference is 0)
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09.23.58 #       <amiconn> kugel: If you're really into *that* tiny difference, then calculate backlight_off_tick - 1. It wouöd still be more reliable than the current code
09.24.17 #       <amiconn> The current code might easily cause a set timeout of say, 10 seconds to become 15 or even more
09.24.29 #       <kugel> and I've noticed that the timeout isn't always 100% precise (sometimes 99 ticks, sometimes 101) that's why I did substract the constant
09.24.53 #       <kugel> then fix the yielding of the code that doesn't do it on load
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09.25.06 #       <kugel> that should be done anyway
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09.26.56 #       <amiconn> sleep(HZ) never guarantees that the thread wakes up after exactly HZ ticks. All it guarantees is that it sleeps for *at least* HZ ticks
09.27.07 #       <amiconn> The wakeup happens after the next yield-around
09.27.34 #       <amiconn> And there is code that cannot yield for noticeable amounts of time, e.g. MAS i2c communication
09.28.06 #       <amiconn> (well, actually it yields when waiting for the slowish ACK)
09.28.47 #       <amiconn> Anyway, relying on behaviour that's not guaranteet is bad imo
09.29.19 #       <kugel> I'll look into it
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09.37.41 #       <vpope> so i installed rockbox on my ipod video 30gb, and it works great except for constant and frequent connect/disconnects when connecting to a computer with the usb cable. i didn't see anything like this in the faq, manual, or known issues. i also tried uninstalling itunes (since it was bothering me every time about my ipod being formatted wrong), but haven't spotted anything. any hints?
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10.06.11 #       <Bagder> casainho's newly selected cpu is the exact same arm core as the previous one
10.06.19 #       <Bagder> just 10mhz slower clock
10.06.43 #       <Bagder> but larger caches
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10.57.41 #       <CIA-63> New commit by 03kugel (r20820): Hopefully fix lcd_sleep() from not be being called for targets without fading at all and being and being called too early for backlight always of on ...
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10.59.30 #       <kugel> kkurbjun: I think the lcd_sleep() hack can be removed again, but it would be nice if you double check
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13.42.42 #       <arpa> howdy
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13.43.55 #       <arpa> is there any progress in getting Rockbox to work on iPod Nano 2nd gen? i'd really like to get Rockbox running on it.
13.44.04 #       <Bagder> no progress there, no
13.44.30 #       <arpa> :(
13.45.21 #       <arpa> Bagder: is it because there's no one working on decrypting/hacking the bootloader or does it just seem too difficult?
13.45.51 #       <Bagder> there's nobody working on it since the problem is hard as a steel wall
13.46.36 #       <arpa> i've been following lots of console hacking scene and i know PS3 isn't cracked because there's not much interest in that machine. Xbox360 (newer models) aren't hackable because they are built like undestroyable fortress (or steel wall like you said). :)
13.47.16 #       <arpa> i wonder how people jailbreak iPhone, but can't get 2nd gen Nano to work :(
13.47.46 #       <Bagder> well, quite simply because they have more people on the problem, and I believe they are also easier to poke on
13.49.34 #       <arpa> i just love Rockbox :) especially the .SID playing capabilities are nice.
13.50.06 #       <arpa> are there any old C-64 sceners working on the Rockbox firmware?
13.50.12 #       <arpa> i remember hearing something like that.
13.50.32 #       <Bagder> me, Zagor, LinusN were members of Horizon and did lots of C64 demos
13.50.41 #       <Bagder> back in the late 80s
13.50.56 #       <arpa> how about comeback?
13.51.03 #       <Bagder> booooring
13.51.29 #       <arpa> :)
13.51.47 #       <arpa> i'm in a Finnish C-64 group-.
13.52.21 #       <arpa> we haven't released much though, but we have lots of stuff bubbling under as you might say.
13.53.42 #       <arpa> Horizon is still active, but i guess you knew it.
13.54.14 #       <arpa> http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=72559 :: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=41462
13.54.18 #       <arpa> very nice releases
13.54.34 #       <Bagder> well, "still active" might be a bit too much to say
13.54.52 #       <Bagder> but yeah, some nuts never give in ;-)
13.56.37 #       <krazykit`> arpa, i was under the impression new 360 drives would still take a firmware flash
13.57.22 #       <krazykit`> er, sorry, clearly the wrong channel
13.57.41 #       <Bagder> they're so mixed up these days... :-)
13.58.05 #       <krazykit`> i blame the people that talk about rockbox in the community channel :)
14.02.13 #       <arpa> krazykit`: i mean running homebrew on Xbox360 *NOT* drive firmware hacks
14.02.58 #       <krazykit`> seems like rockbox on the 360 would be overkill.
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14.03.06 #       <arpa> King Kong exploit was the only way to run homebrew/Linux etc, but Microsoft blocked it
14.03.13 #       <arpa> eh. :)
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14.21.13 #       <arpa> Bagder: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/scener/?id=8084
14.21.20 #       <arpa> :)
14.21.26 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.22.02 #       <arpa> hehe http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=14912
14.22.12 #       <arpa> User Comment
14.22.12 #       <arpa> Submitted by The Dark Judge on 9 October 2004
14.22.12 #       <arpa> Bagder himself send me this game a long time ago, asking me not to spread it. Well, I think 15 years of keeping my promise is not bad :) And hey, Jazzcat paid good money for it!
14.22.24 #       <arpa> ;P
14.22.27 #       <Bagder> I know
14.22.42 #       <Bagder> I think it's a pretty lame excuse
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15.18.06 #       <webguest13> hello, i just installed rockbox onto my iaudio x5. its working fine and i installed it with thro vista
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15.18.19 #       <webguest13> just wated to say thanks
15.18.36 #       <webguest13> wanted*
15.18.36 #       <evilnick_7> Glad to hear that webguest13 
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17.27.45 #       <gartral> hey, anyone here running ubuntu 9.04 and cant get your dap to connect?
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17.30.36 #       <evilnick_7> Which model do you have? ISTR that some Sansa c200 or e200 don't work consistently
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17.31.55 #       <gevaerts> gartral: unfortunately ubuntu 9.04 has an interesting bug...
17.31.58 #       <gartral> its an e250 v1 non R
17.32.16 #       <gartral> gevaerts: heh.. ive noticed..
17.33.19 #       <gevaerts> gartral: you may have luck with removing the sansa related chunks from /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor/20-libgphoto2.fdi
17.34.30 #       <gartral> gevaerts: dmwsg keeps saying the sansa has bad internal memory...
17.34.45 #       <gartral> s// dmswg/dmesg
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17.35.14 #       <evilnick_7> gevaerts: Do you know if that affects all the Ubuntu versions (like Kubuntu, Edubuntu etc)?
17.35.49 #       <gevaerts> evilnick_7: I'm pretty sure it does. It may also affect other distributions
17.38.05 #       <gartral> gevaerts: thats all for mtp though, think it'll still work?
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17.40.10 #       <gevaerts> gartral: ubuntu (or more precisely, hal and some versions of gphoto2) thinks that all sansas are mtp devices, even when they explicitely only are msc devices. There's not much we can do about that
17.43.17 #       <gartral> gevaerts: ahh.. hal.. say no more, and thanks for the advice, ill try that
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18.03.25 #       <gartral> gevaerts: thank you, worked beautifully!
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18.54.19 #       <saratoga> gevaerts:  since gphoto2 apparently has fixed the bug upstream, would rebuilding it from svn fix it?
18.55.48 #       <gevaerts> I'd expect so, yes
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19.33.50 #       <FlynDice> bertrik: ping
19.34.07 #       <bertrik> hi FlynDice 
19.34.19 #       <FlynDice> hey there
19.34.22 #       <FlynDice> you seem to be the charging guru for ams sansa, any idea why I would get an empty battery icon and charging indication when I make dram cacheable?
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19.35.30 #       <bertrik> FlynDice, maybe the communication with the codec is disturbed somehow
19.36.14 #       <bertrik> the codec part also handles a lot of other analog stuff besides audio
19.36.44 #       <FlynDice> that would make sense, playback won't work.
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19.37.41 #       <bertrik> codec communication does not depend on any specific delays, it simply polls a status bit IIRC
19.40.02 #       <FlynDice> can you suggest a start point for investigating,  my excursions through the code have not really brought me through the codec mysteries yet... ;)
19.41.19 #       <bertrik> the codec communication is in ascodec-as3525.c
19.41.39 #       <bertrik> maybe you accidentally made some hardware register ranges cacheable?
19.42.16 #       <FlynDice> well I actually have looked there
19.43.13 #       <FlynDice> would there be registers outside the 0xc8000000 area shown in the datasheet?
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19.44.58 #       <bertrik> yes, for example the VIC is at 0xc6010000
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19.46.33 #       <FlynDice> well yes, but nothing down around 0x30000000.  I'm only caching 1-8 mb's from there
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19.49.26 #       <FlynDice> this is all with flat mapping also, I've left out the remapping activity for now
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19.58.49 #       <bodymind> hei, i can't build the svn of sansa e200v2... anyone can help plz? :) tks in advance... the error is: 
19.59.01 #       <bodymind> /home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: error: ‘LANG_FMR’ undeclared here (not in a function)
19.59.02 #       <bodymind> /home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: warning: missing initializer
19.59.02 #       <bodymind> /home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/apps/filetypes.c:98: warning: (near initialization for ‘inbuilt_filetypes[36].voiceclip’)
19.59.02 DBUG    Enqueued KICK bodymind
19.59.02 #       <bodymind> make: *** [/home/bodymind/devel/rockbox/rockbox/e200v2-firmware/apps/filetypes.o] Error 1
19.59.02 #       <bodymind> :s
19.59.09 #       <bodymind> sorry for the flood
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20.00.18 #       <BigBambi> bodymind: pastebin.com
20.00.40 #       <FlynDice> bodymind: I would try deleting everything in your build dir then start with configure again
20.01.22 #       <bodymind> ok
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20.01.47 #       <bodymind> i've made make clean... and rm * and ../tools/configure
20.01.49 #       <bodymind> is it enough?
20.02.23 #       <FlynDice> nope.. delete all the stuff in your build dir
20.02.42 #       <bodymind> i had an old svn (like 2 or 3 months ago) ... just did a svn up.. is it a prob?
20.03.25 #       <bodymind> yeah.. it build now... tks :)
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20.06.40 #       <BigBambi> bluebrother/domonoky:  Are there are outstanding rbutil finds the e200 but not mountpoint issues?  As it just did just that for me (linux 32 bit)
20.06.55 #       <BigBambi> The mountpoint has a space in the name if that makes any difference
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20.08.38 #       <JdGordon|> bodymind: that looks like a missing #if CONFIG_TUNER somewhere
20.08.50 #       <BigBambi> Hmmm, and know "Extracting failed: Unable to create a directory.."
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20.11.21 #       <domonoky> BigBambi: strange, is the moutpoint perhaps not writeable ?  or try with a mountpoint without space in it. (it shouldnt be a problem, but who knows)
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20.11.38 #       <BigBambi> domonoky: yeah, I'm just playing now
20.11.54 #       <BigBambi> I'll let you know - probably something silly on my end :)
20.12.12 #       <bodymind> JdGordon, nop, it was my fault... i didn't completely clean my build dir
20.12.23 #       <kugel> bodymind: that's not your fault
20.12.32 #       <kugel> that's a flaw in the build system
20.12.41 #       <bodymind> ah right
20.12.56 #       <kugel> FlynDice: have you tried marking only portions as cachable?
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20.14.42 #       <FlynDice> kugel: yes, I've tried various amounts from 1-8mb, iram cacheable/not cacheable.  Varying results but none very good.
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20.16.14 #       <kugel> FlynDice: have you looked at a disassembly? maybe there's parts of the firmware/drivers that are in IRAM when other parts are in DRAM. I imagine that could cause problems with caching
20.16.25 #       <FlynDice> I noticed last night that when I cache any DRAM I get an empty battery icon and a charging indication, along with intermittant "codec failure" splashes
20.16.34 #       <kugel> (parts that need each other that is)
20.17.21 #       <BigBambi> domonoky: yes, mount only writable by root
20.17.25 #       <bluebrother> BigBambi: I use autodetection on my system with e200 all the time and it works fine.
20.17.28 #       <kugel> FlynDice: are you always deleting your build dir? I was having problems with the iram activation patch (codec skipped songs), which where caused by build system issues
20.17.32 #       <BigBambi> false alarm!
20.17.36 #       <bluebrother> mountpoint contains space.
20.18.18 #       <BigBambi> bluebrother: Any thoughts why it would have failed here?  It was only writeable by root, but readable by everyone.  Also, rbutil was run as root (or with sudo rather)
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20.18.46 #       <bluebrother> sudo might indeed have been the issue ... have you tried running from a root shell?
20.18.57 #       <bluebrother> especially root login shell
20.18.58 #       <BigBambi> no, but I can do
20.18.58 #       <kugel> FlynDice: I'd think for the time being, you could also try deactivating the IRAM entirely which may make it easier to figure out the caching for DRAM
20.19.09 #       <BigBambi> root login is harder, I'd have to set it up :)
20.19.29 #       <bluebrother> sudo su - :)
20.19.41 #       <BigBambi> oh right, I thought you meant actually login
20.19.49 #       <FlynDice> how would I deactivate the iram,  size 0 in the *.lds?
20.19.52 #       <bluebrother> you get a login shell via su -
20.19.59 #       <bluebrother> and scrap the sudo in that line ;-)
20.20.04 #       <gevaerts> bluebrother: what's wrong with sudo -i?
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20.20.24 #       <BigBambi> right, I misunderstood the terminology
20.20.26 #       <bluebrother> only that (as I dislike sudo by itself) always forget about it :)
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20.20.53 #       <kugel> FlynDice: setting the size 0 won't be enough (also codecs assume they're entirely in IRAM if IRAM is defined but with the size 0)
20.21.31 #       <kugel> this way I could make mp3 partly usable when it still rebooted
20.21.38 #       <BigBambi> after sudo -i trying to run rbutil gives "rbutilqt: cannot connect to X server :0.0
20.21.44 #       <bodymind> nice new theme :)
20.21.50 #       <bodymind> *default
20.22.41 #       <BigBambi> Anyway, there is something else a bit funky up, as I can't change the owner of the mount point
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20.23.33 #       <kugel> FlynDice: btw, I highly appreciate your effort. I wish I had more time to mess with it too
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20.25.03 #       <FlynDice> kugel: who has time? this is OCD...;)
20.25.55 #       <FlynDice> obsessive-compulsive disorder for the english only police...;)))
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20.40.19 #       <BigBambi> bluebrother: domonoky:  Not to worry, seems there was a filesystem problem at the route of it.  After fsck.vfat it all works as expected.
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20.53.54 #       <archivator> I've been looking into fs#9292 and I can't seem to pinpoint what causes a really annoying bug. Every time I exit the plugin, rockbox would start playing noise .. Now, the plugin uses custom dsp processing (via DSP_MYDSP) and sets a different sampling frequency and number of channels, could the fact that it's not restoring the original settings be causing this behavior? In other words, what does DSP_MYDSP do?
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21.13.05 #       <domonoky> archivator: DSP_MYDSP means dsp_configure returns the internal dsp struct.  and yes, not resetting the dsp settings could cause your bug..
21.14.38 #       <archivator> domonoky: What's the appropriate way to reset it? dsp_configure(dsp, DSP_RESET, 0) doesn't seem to cut it..
21.17.05 #       <domonoky> i am not sure. in theory you should store the old settings before changing it. and reset it to those values at the end. but perhaps this should go into the plugin loader ? 
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21.18.45 #       <domonoky> DSP_RESET should reset the values to default. but perhaps rockbox expects other settings then this defaults ? 
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21.19.18 #       <domonoky> in apps\dsp.c around line 1300 .. 
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21.24.19 #       <archivator> Hmm, I'll try and do a memcpy of the old settings, that might do the trick
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21.27.54 #       <FlynDice> kugel: Do you know if this is an error: in config-e200v2.h      #define CPU_FREQ      75000000.  For the clip and fuze this value is the more sensible  250000000.....
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21.33.45 #       <domonoky> FlynDice: its wrong. but it should really hurt, a short grep tells me it isnt used for the ams targets
21.37.39 #       <FlynDice> domonoky: thanks, trying to check out everything that looks fishy but lack the expertise to know for sure
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21.52.04 #       <archivator> domonoky: I figured it out, I just had to *stop* (and not just pause) playback explicitly before doing any DSP reconfiguring. 
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22.50.37 #       * JdGordon| spots an active Bagder 
22.50.44 #       * Bagder hides
22.50.47 #       <JdGordon|> my server is still on the wrong url
22.51.04 #       <JdGordon|> its looking for jdgordon.info... use either usa.jdgordon.info or rb.jdgordon.info
22.51.08 #       <JdGordon|> whichever you prefer :p
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22.55.27 #       <wincent> Question to all knowledgeable people: Is there a comfortable way to supply additional compiler flags when compiling a plugin?
22.56.05 #       <Bagder> JdGordon: thanks, I've updated the info now
22.56.24 #       <JdGordon|> which did you choose?
22.56.32 #       <Bagder> rb.jdgordon.info
22.57.04 #       <JdGordon|> righto
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22.59.57 #       <wincent> Noone is knowledgeable? :-)
23.00.51 #       <JdGordon|> 42
23.01.10 #       <JdGordon|> my guess is to create a new subdir and have a Makefile in that? but I dont know the build system at all
23.01.25 #       <JdGordon|> Zagor is who you want to tlak to for build voodoo
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23.40.20 #       * moos think he have find how to pass this "File not found bug" for the beast installation \o/
23.40.32 #       <moos> working reliable
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