--- Log for 13.05.109 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 26 days ago 00.01.02 Join XANA [0] (n=4cfc3579@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1fd80b10c23455d1) 00.01.04 # no, I just wanted to know how important it is that there is no setting on the Ondio then, so that nothing changes for the data connection 00.01.53 Join cmwslw [0] (n=cmwslw@c-98-249-113-152.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 00.01.53 # i dont know that there isnt the setting... 00.02.02 Part cmwslw ("Ex-Chat") 00.02.14 # I'm more interested in an ok for the manual part of the diff.... 00.02.25 # that's how I understood you 00.02.49 # :) 00.03.04 # * pixelma is confused now 00.03.56 Join coney_ [0] (n=james@oh.cyber-army.com) 00.04.29 # I'm wondering why there is a different between usb power and usb charging? 00.05.36 Quit coney (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.06.12 # Hey yall, i gots a question... I reecently erased all the data on my H10 20gb including the Origional firmware. How can I restore it so i can listen to some tunes+ 00.08.05 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 00.08.14 # Can you restore the OF? 00.08.21 # JdGordon: I (mis?)understood that there might be a difference in whether the setting is present. That won't be a big deal if it defaults to data connection without holding a button but if the default is the other way round that could be a big change in how I get the data connection (and I wouldn't want that) 00.08.44 # so I just wanted to know what the default is 00.08.51 # i have NO idea how to restore H10 20gb Firmware. 00.09.40 # It's probably better to ask at an iRiver forum/chatroom then 00.10.11 Quit coney_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.11.47 Join coney [0] (n=james@oh.cyber-army.com) 00.12.27 # How do i do that??? 00.13.49 # pixelma: The default should be such that anyone used to existing behaviour won't even notice that it's changed, because the existing button they use will still appear to work in the same way 00.14.08 Quit mt ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 00.14.09 # pixelma: right, if the setting doesnt exsist then the default will be the same as svn (so it connects to msc) 00.15.13 # alright thought so, just wanted to make sure. I thought it is a bit more important if the setting doesn't even exist 00.15.27 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.15.37 # hey, i asked a question... 00.15.39 # Well, it seems like if the setting doesn't exist for Ondio, a reworded one that does the same thing should 00.16.09 # XANA: If you're looking for help with the original firmware, you should use Google to find out where you're supposed to ask questions about it 00.16.40 # probably. But that doesn't need to happen at the same time, I think 00.16.46 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 00.17.58 # So really... do you need any part of the origional FW to run rockbox 00.18.32 # ? 00.19.02 # XANA: Rockbox's installation tools are set up to work on a functioning player. If you've damaged its existing functionality, it may fail to install. 00.20.08 Quit BXCracer (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.19 # May fail? 00.20.35 Join spacetraveler [0] (n=glynneh@host81-159-4-97.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) 00.20.59 # The requirements for each player are somewhat different, I don't know for yours. You can read the manual, and see if the "manual installation" method requires the OF or whether it is optional. 00.21.06 # OF means "original firmware" 00.22.01 # Well, I have an H10, I will Check right now........ 00.22.01 # JdGordon: the manual part doesn't look wrong at a first glance (syntax wise, and the use of opt). I think it sounds weird a bit here and there, especially the first sentence which would read in the finished manual "When this is OFF..." :) 00.22.06 # why is "fad on stop" still default to yes? :'( 00.22.37 # pixelma: yeah, that was Llorean's wording.. i thought the same but too lazy to rework it :) 00.22.54 # JdGordon|: Fade on stop is the very first option I disable on a new install. 00.23.04 # * Llorean really likes the idea of a "First Install Wizard" still 00.23.12 # maybe start with "If set to OFF.."? 00.23.48 # * pixelma also turns of "fade on stop" 00.23.51 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.52 # off too 00.24.08 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@89.20.115.27) 00.26.39 # Dam. Iriver stoped providing the OF restore files. any help there? 00.27.21 # XANA: Maybe http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html 00.28.34 # Ok then. Where do I put this file? 00.28.43 Join BryanJacobs [0] (n=braujac@128.151.220.177) 00.29.16 Quit coney (Connection timed out) 00.29.25 # BryanJacobs: Hi! 00.29.51 # XANA: Sorry, I've no idea about the H10. 00.30.28 # Anybody have a H10?!?!?! 00.31.43 # XANA: Since installing Rockbox is often about updating the original firmware with a modified version, again, the Rockbox manual's "manual install" section may help 00.33.09 Join coney [0] (n=james@oh.cyber-army.com) 00.34.08 Quit joejc (Remote closed the connection) 00.35.19 # would it be possible to enable pan/balance on the x5 line-out, like the stock firmware? 00.35.48 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 00.35.57 # i'm quite imbalanced, hearing-wise, and in absolute need of pan/balance 00.36.51 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 00.37.53 Quit coney (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.38.12 # linuxstb: hello 00.38.26 # dfkt: There are balance settings in Rockbox, aren't there? 00.38.43 # only works for the headphone-out, not the line-out 00.38.57 # Ah 00.39.14 # You can't set balance on whatever it's line-into? 00.39.30 # nope, it's aprotable amp 00.39.35 # *a portable 00.40.38 # the stock firmware supports pan over line-out, so i assume it's been disabled on purpose on rockbox? 00.41.04 # Does "pan" mean something different than balance? 00.41.10 # same thing 00.41.20 # Please try to use the Rockbox name for settings then, just to not confuse issues. 00.41.30 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.41.47 Join scant [0] (n=opera@cpe-70-112-20-103.austin.res.rr.com) 00.42.15 # Generally though, we try to keep the line-out untouched by any of the in-hardware DSP effects we can prevent, but it gets the software DSP effects 00.43.41 # well yeah, EQ works, but balance doesn't... quite curious 00.44.05 Quit spacetraveler ("Ex-Chat") 00.44.07 # I'm using Rockbox 3.2 on a Sansa e260 and when connecting it via USB to a Windows XP computer, I get a driver 'Rockbox media player' dialog, but I can't find the driver on the website 00.44.09 # EQ is done in software, balance is probably done by the DAC 00.44.30 # scant: There's not one. To use USB with 3.2, you need to reboot into the original firmware 00.44.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.45.30 # Llorean, so is there any chance to implement balance over the line-out? 00.46.19 # there is something interesting with the line-out on the X5 (or M5), it also has a fixed volume except when volume is set to mute. I'm not sure how it should be though 00.46.37 # dfkt: It may require implementing it in software, I don't know 00.46.49 # yeah, it's either on or off.. i think that's fine for a line level signal 00.46.57 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-99a1aa73a45d4bba) 00.47.02 # or, "fake" line level 00.47.30 Quit ender` (" Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window. -- Steve Wozniak") 00.47.52 # I think it's fine too but was a bit surprised first (maybe because it's my only target with seperate line-out) 00.48.27 # funny enough, the stock firmware does not send the EQ/BBE settings to the line-out, but only the balance 00.48.43 # opposite of rockbox 00.48.46 # Llorean: thanks 00.49.36 # I unplugged my Sansa e260 and plugged the USB cable back in, the screen faded, but now the screen is baclkight, but black and the Sansa won't turn off... 00.50.32 # nevermind, it turned off... 00.56.19 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.57.00 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.00.17 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 01.03.39 Quit AlexP ("No Ping reply in 90 seconds.") 01.04.25 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.16 Quit XANA ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.07.02 Join AlexP [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 01.07.12 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 01.17.42 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 01.18.23 Join coney [0] (n=james@oh.cyber-army.com) 01.20.38 # dfkt: we've got software balance in rockbox 01.20.54 # i don't know why it wouldn't work on Line Out, that should make no difference 01.21.27 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.43 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.32.64) 01.24.24 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 01.24.26 # saratoga: Is software balance used on the X5? 01.24.43 # AFAIK, any software DSP should apply universally because there's only the one PCM buffer? 01.24.57 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 01.25.06 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.25.13 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.150.218.246) 01.25.17 # does a mic work with the 5g video(for recording) through the 3.5mm jack? 01.26.06 # saratoga: the setting definitely has no effect on my M5 and line-out, just tried - it is in the headphone 01.26.13 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.48 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579EC59A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.27.58 # datasheet says the line outs are wired to teh same output as the HPout except without the variable amp, so I guess its implemented by changing the volume on the channels 01.29.07 # well, if the volume setting has no effect (except mute) that sounds like balance wouldn't work either 01.29.36 # theres a software balance as well [see channels_process_sound_chan_custom] 01.29.37 # * froggyman wonders if anyone will respond to mt question... 01.29.41 # if it's not set in another way 01.30.16 # what happens if you set the stereo width to custom? 01.31.11 # hmm thats not the same 01.32.45 # changing stereo width itself has an audible effect 01.33.06 Join joejc [0] (n=joe@adsl-69-224-154-58.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 01.33.10 Join miepchen^schla [0] (n=miepel@p579EC59A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.33.57 # im trying to install rockbox to my ipod but i keep getting errors 01.35.02 # joejc: What error? 01.35.04 Join miepchen^schl [0] (n=miepel@p579EC59A.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.35.15 Quit miepchen^schl (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.15 Quit miepchen^schla (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.15 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.31 # its telling me my ipod that i just formated for windows is a macpod 01.35.55 # Did you follow the instructions in our wiki, or did you just reformat the partition? 01.36.16 # There's more to the conversion than just the data partition format 01.36.19 # used my win box to restore 01.36.49 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-223.hsi.kabelbw.de) 01.37.10 # tunes says its formatted for windows 01.37.15 # itunes* 01.38.29 # joejc: what ipod do you have? 01.38.45 # 20gb 4g 01.40.26 # any ideas? 01.43.24 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.43.53 # could i do it manually or does the installer do the same thing? 01.44.28 # yeah, but you need to install a bootloader 01.46.41 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 01.46.56 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.51.214.191) 01.48.33 # for what its worth, balance is definately set in firmware/ via adjusting the headphone volume, which is why it doesn't work for the X5 lineout, and I don't see any obvious way to change it without adding to dsp.c 01.48.43 # but a dsp guru could say more then I 01.48.46 # saratoga, well, it simply doesn't work on my x5, running a week old build... but i would be very glad if it did 01.50.27 Quit _lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 01.50.37 # oh, nevermind, just saw the nickalert, not the last line you posted 01.50.43 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.151.32.123) 01.51.32 Nick jfc^3 is now known as jfc (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 01.54.08 Join firedix [0] (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) 01.54.25 Join evilnick [0] (i=ad348c4b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bbb90a3ed2e37c04) 01.56.03 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.11.18) 01.58.59 # joejc: last time I looked, the manual also explained the installation with ipodpatcher (the "manual" way). 02.01.20 Part toffe82 02.04.38 # saratoga: the Iaudio ports still have some incomplete things although basic functionality is well covered, charging is another such thing 02.05.40 Join dandin1 [0] (n=dandin1-@69-196-152-18.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.07.27 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.07.28 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 02.07.28 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.07.29 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.07.48 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.07.49 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.09.06 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.09.27 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.4.42) 02.15.20 # joejc: the Utility uses ipodpatcher internally but you could always try in case it is some bug in the Rockbox Utility 02.16.48 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.00 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.18.11 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.19.08 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@h85.113.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 02.22.37 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-54bd9258e03bbd7c) 02.24.50 Join simjoko [0] (i=kvirc@p54A8F5D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.30.25 Quit simjoko ("When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net") 02.31.04 Quit joejc ("Leaving") 02.34.03 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.34.22 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06e38a7c7b231f52) 02.39.09 Quit firedix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.01 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.17.66.214) 02.42.19 Join jmillikin [0] (n=jmilliki@c-24-130-159-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.45.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.19 # evilnick: to clarify, it is faster than using the scaler, but it is still slower than not having to scale at all. the huffman bitstream still needs to be fully decoded, with lots of bit-shifting and table lookup operations, and only the IDCT part of the decode actually gets significant gain. there's a pretty big gain going from 1x to 1/2, a smaller one going to 1/4, and even smaller going to 1/8. and it's always faster to decode a file 02.46.19 # that is *actually* half as small. where bigger might be better is if you always use the same size AA, and you pre-scale to a 2^N (N < 3) multiple of that size. 02.47.26 # loading a 480x480 file as 240x240 is probably (i've not tested this specific case, but the scaler is pretty expensive) faster than loading, say, a 360x360 file as 240x240. 02.48.11 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-21dd6cd37965c5b4) 02.51.30 Quit __lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.43 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@89.20.123.116) 02.55.04 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.56.28 Join Froggyman_ [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-c1549956c6c4dfe2) 02.57.42 # Unhelpful: Thanks for the info :) 03.03.05 Join simjoko [0] (i=kvirc@p54A8F5D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.06.31 Quit jmillikin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.11.51 Part BryanJacobs ("Leaving.") 03.16.21 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.16.32 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s243b.studby.ntnu.no) 03.35.34 Join firedix [0] (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) 03.39.09 Join Firenight [0] (i=IceChat7@c-68-51-153-172.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 03.39.14 # hey everyone 03.41.33 # I put rockbox on on my ipod and for some reason there are 4 copys of every song on my ipod in the database 03.41.37 # any way to fix that 03.44.35 # or a way to reset my database so that when it searches for music it only finds 1 copy of the songs I put on there 03.45.20 # remove all music from itunes ans switch to a real media manager like media monkey? 03.45.32 # and 03.45.47 # hmm 03.46.01 # i would if I did not have over 40 gigs of music over two computers 03.46.51 # is there another way Or no 03.46.55 # There 03.47.23 # 's a setting in the Database Settings called Initialize Database (or similar) that you could try 03.49.55 # it says updating in background 03.50.44 # Yes, it forces a refresh of all the files on your ipod, so it should eliminate the duplicates. 03.50.55 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 03.51.10 Join cmwslw [0] (n=cmwslw@c-98-249-113-152.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) 03.51.36 # how long does it take 03.51.53 Part cmwslw ("Ex-Chat") 03.52.52 # It depends how much music you have on there, I think the longest it's taken me (120GB) was about 4 or 5 minutes? (I haven't used the database in a long time on that player) 03.53.28 Quit nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.24 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.01.31 # thank you 04.01.32 Quit Firenight ("Pull the pin and count to what?") 04.02.01 Join |newbie| [0] (i=kvirc@p54A8F0A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.02.47 Quit firedix ("Ex-Chat") 04.12.14 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.16.24 Join itcheg [0] (i=62db4767@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e49b81cd931a4f11) 04.20.21 Quit simjoko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.36 Quit |newbie| ("When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net") 04.23.41 Quit dandin1 () 04.25.21 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.29.39 # evilnick: you could *try* making the jpeg decoder yield a bit more, by moving the yield(); to the line right before '} /* for blkn */' in apps/recorder/jpeg_load.c 04.31.36 Join serendipity_ [0] (n=serendip@c-24-17-137-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 04.33.17 Join tomers_ [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-108-58-176.cablep.bezeqint.net) 04.33.17 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 04.34.23 Quit serendipity_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.35.40 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c-67-160-44-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 04.36.00 Join serendipity_ [0] (n=serendip@c-24-17-137-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 04.36.57 # help 04.38.08 # I'm trying to install on a 5.5G iPod 30GB... 04.38.31 Quit Froggyman_ ("CGI:IRC") 04.38.39 # and when I get to the part where I am supposed to use the iPod patcher, it returns the following errors: 04.38.40 # [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. 04.38.40 # [ERR] FATAL: Permission denied on 1 device(s) and no ipod detected. 04.38.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK serendipity_ 04.38.41 # [ERR] You need permissions for raw disc access for this program to work! 04.38.51 # this is being done on a mac, btw 04.39.33 # it sounds like you may be running the program with insufficient permissions. i'm not sure how to resolve that under macosx, though. 04.40.48 # i don't thing that's it, as I tried running with Super User enabled via the Directory Utility 04.41.46 # Are there any other mac users here who know what could be up, or if there's another way I'm supposed to increast my permissions? 04.42.15 # I'm new to the stock Sansa e260 and Rockbox firmware, can I delete everything off of the internal memory except for .rockbox directory? 04.43.07 # serendipity_: "Permission denied" is pretty clear. 04.43.25 # scant: i can't really see any reason to do so... 04.43.39 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.46.00 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.48.24 # My Sansa e260 has a MUSIC directory and I keep on clearing the hidden attribute, but the hidden attribute of the folder keeps on getting set 04.49.39 # scant: the OF does that on startup. since rockbox supports USB on this device now, one solution would be not starting the OF :) 04.49.45 Quit tomers (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.02 # Unhelpful: ? 04.51.20 # Unhelpful: how do I transfer files to the internal memory w/o starting up the OF? 04.51.41 # Rockbox has it's own USB stack now in the "current build" versions. 04.51.56 # cool_walking_: not in 3.2 though? 04.52.01 # no 04.52.54 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 04.57.01 # oh i see what I did wrong, I had deleted everything from the ipod before trying to install stuff. This time, I did a software restore through iTunes, and left everything it installs right on there. I applied the fat32 pertition map, and installed the .rockbox and bootloader no problem! 04.57.13 # [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. 04.57.13 # Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher : 04.57.22 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 04.57.22 # * serendipity_ is one happy camper 04.58.08 # serendipity_, rockbox is much better than default firmware, minus video playback 04.58.17 # you should be getting battery life 04.58.23 # it is going to improve more aswell 05.01.47 # <_Auron_> ugh the G1 needs better video playback.. .3gp and .mp4 are quite limiting. 05.04.40 # cool_walking_: i installed the 'current build' Sansa e260 firmware, is USB support activated by default? 05.05.36 # Yes. But unless you also install a new bootloader, it will still go into the OF for USB if you turn it on by connecting the USB plug. 05.06.59 # cool_walking_: do I install the new bootloader via sansapatcher? where do I d/l the new bootloader? 05.07.48 # Yes, use sansapatcher with the bootloader from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955 05.08.55 # That page mentions anticipation of release with 3.2, however they were not released with 3.2 for reason/s I'm not aware of. 05.09.14 # Oh, so that bootloader isn't installed by default with a Rockbox utility install of v3.2? 05.09.23 # correct 05.10.05 # cool_walking_: yikes, I'm kind of hessitant to update the bootloader, i don't want to brick ;-) 05.11.00 Join Traveler3 [0] (n=traveler@CPE-69-23-137-242.wi.res.rr.com) 05.11.59 # cool_walking_: is this correct? sansapatcher.exe --update-ppbl PP5022.mi4 05.12.03 # is there a write or append function to add a line to the end of a file? 05.12.29 # scant: sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4 just did the trick for me 05.12.45 # Unhelpful: cool, thanks 05.13.10 # do I run that command with the USB cable attached and in Rockbox or OF? 05.13.53 # I'm a bit foggy on that point, but I don't think it matters if you're in the OF or Rockbox. 05.14.22 # in rockbox will work if you're using a usb-enabled build. in OF should work if you have OF set to UMS rather than MTP mode 05.14.50 # I'll use OF to be safe... 05.14.54 # thanks for the info 05.15.34 # is there a way to see what version of the bootloader I'm using? 05.15.51 Quit serendipity_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.58 # the reason I ask is because, I installed Rockbox 3.2 for the 1st time today via Rockbox Utility, then just upgraded to the 'current build' and I connected the USB, and the drives came up w/o updating the bootloader to the version you guys pointed me to... so I'm wondering what version I"m using... 05.19.13 # Rockbox's USB works without the new bootloader. You only need the new bootloader so it will go into Rockbox instead of the OF when you connect the USB cable when it's turned off. 05.19.40 # I don't know how to check the bootloader version. 05.20.18 # cool_walking_: thanks a bunch for the clarification, i'm wondering if I should update the bootloader... it's still kind of scary... 05.20.48 Quit itcheg ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 05.20.50 # evilnick: file that flyspray bug report when you get a chance. i can't manage to reproduce the problem on my slowest target (e200). :/ 05.22.49 # scant: Well if you don't want to risk it, don't. Personally, I would, but then I'm a bit stupid. 05.22.58 # cool_walking_: cool 05.23.32 # cool_walking_: what I'm wondering, is... thanks for pointing out the location of the new bootloader, but how do I know when the bootloader is updated??? 05.24.11 # I expect it will be noted on the front page when it gets a proper release. 05.24.11 # scant: turn it off and plug in USB - if it goes to rockbox, you've got the new bootloader. 05.24.31 # oh ahh err.. or that. 05.24.59 # well, we answered two different interpretations of the same question ;) 05.25.38 # I have the old bootloader... 05.29.30 # I updated the bootloader because I don't like the OF and I like Rockbox 05.29.55 # thanks for being helpful 05.34.54 # is there a way to read a previous line for read_line? like could you save a value for fd and restore it if you need to go back a line? 05.46.32 Join johnteddy [0] (n=johntedd@tor/regular/sid) 05.46.51 # I have this ipod mini, and the contrast is all screwy. is there a way to fix the contrast so I can see shit better? 05.58.51 Quit __lifeless (Remote closed the connection) 05.59.07 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@90.150.216.66) 05.59.45 # anyone know the max microSDHC size a Sansa e260 with Rockbox supports? 06.00.17 # theoretically the max they can produce 06.00.20 # within the spec 06.01.03 Quit Traveler3 ("Java user signed off") 06.01.18 Join franky [0] (n=dcf57c73@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1612f2188f9d6451) 06.01.37 # scorche: do you use a Sansa e260 and microSDHC card? 06.01.53 # yes, but i dont see why that is important.. 06.02.24 # I'm wondering what size your card is... 06.02.36 # why? 06.03.07 Quit franky (Client Quit) 06.06.01 # * _Auron_ has a e260v2 and had his 8GB microSDHC before he got his G1, which he uses for everything now. :P 06.09.04 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.64.70) 06.15.34 Quit tomers_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042523]") 06.17.17 Join firedix [0] (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) 06.26.19 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.26.36 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.104.236) 06.33.10 Join Tuplanolla [0] (n=jani@unaffiliated/tuplanolla) 06.35.38 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.39.43 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-99-146-80-183.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 06.45.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.00.22 Join kronflux [0] (n=8eb14f11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-154b6f10ecd64b02) 07.03.04 # hey guys, I keep getting the "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! 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[n]" message when I attempt to apply patches, specifically the patch related to the sansa fuze for mp3 decoding. is this already in the latest svn of rockbox? or is there some order I have to apply patches in, to get better results? 07.08.57 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.12.50 Quit dmb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.17.37 Part toffe82 07.28.58 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 07.30.50 Quit kronflux ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 07.41.54 Part scant 07.44.54 Quit Riku (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.47.12 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-223.hsi.kabelbw.de) 07.47.30 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.48.19 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.52.22 Quit z35 ("Leaving") 07.55.07 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 07.58.06 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host219-166-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.00.44 Quit goffa___ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.01.08 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 08.01.33 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 08.06.30 Quit firedix ("Ex-Chat") 08.09.28 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.10.36 Join jHoNDoE [0] (n=irc@ip68-98-24-33.ph.ph.cox.net) 08.16.42 Nick jHoNDoE is now known as andreah (n=irc@ip68-98-24-33.ph.ph.cox.net) 08.20.14 # there is a thing 08.20.28 # rockbox utility needs a letter for my sansa c240 08.20.44 # i am using win7 and it doesnt assign any letter to the player 08.21.16 # andreah, that is mtp mode.. you need msc mode it sounds like 08.21.29 # manual you mean? 08.21.48 # either way i can go try with my laptop, xp and fbsd there 08.22.23 # ye lemme try with that hold on 08.22.42 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.23.17 # mtp and msc modes are usb mode.. on the c200 firmware was a few versions without usb modes in the menu 08.25.15 # MTP device found 08.25.17 # on xp 08.25.20 Quit nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.25.38 # you need msc mode 08.25.58 # why? 08.26.10 # ohh...to flash u mean 08.26.13 # ok hold on 08.27.47 # because mtp mode is limited and buggy at times but that is just my opinion 08.29.01 # i cant flash it if its on mtp right? 08.29.45 # yep because the rockbox utility does not work with it in mtp mode 08.32.40 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 08.33.35 # ok its msc now 08.34.34 # TTS says invalid 08.35.08 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.35.27 Quit Zarggg () 08.35.45 # ye lets see 08.36.00 # was a $7 player, my wife needs it only for tomorrow 08.36.45 # did you run the rockbox utility as admin? 08.36.49 # ye 08.37.11 # i have the pdf 08.37.16 # thanks tho 08.37.35 # oh shit 08.37.37 # what happened if you manually select the drive tho? 08.37.38 # whats the best theme 08.37.49 # thet one you like most 08.37.54 # the themes are up to you 08.38.01 # i cant tell from a 1'' pic 08.38.13 # i have to try everyone 08.38.16 # k lets see 08.38.40 # poll 08.38.46 # SansaClassic or SansaPod 08.38.53 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-206.net-82-216-223.rev.numericable.fr) 08.39.06 # is it "use the enter key as a comma" day today ? 08.40.47 # plus can you use full english words too? 08.40.56 # nice its done 08.41.12 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.45.09 # ahah 08.45.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.45.17 # this is one of the best thing ive seen in long time 08.47.26 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.52.18 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD198.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.53.02 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@txx226.disy.net) 08.58.32 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.00.34 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 09.01.16 # Who's MrAdmin for themes.rockbox.org? 09.01.30 # * scorche waves 09.01.32 # a variety of people I think 09.01.53 # scorche: You aware of the broken graphic on http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=h300 ? 09.02.03 # "Smarty error..." 09.02.46 # i am now 09.03.04 # Cool - probably needs removing/reuploading.. 09.03.38 # the default one is my fav 09.03.58 # i wonder how that happened 09.04.22 # I thought it used to be displaysd, but I might be wrong 09.06.26 # rasher: you around? 09.07.33 # anything to do with the fact that there is a "mipper" for H100 as well? 09.08.33 # i dont know yet...i do see the image in the admin panel and the image isnt where it should be....there is an existing "mipper" in 160x128 which i assume is H100? 09.09.04 # must be related a bit, I think because the theme doesn't show up on the Ipod Photo/Color pages which has the same display size as the H300 09.10.08 # the mipper 160x128 seems to work in all colour depths, even monochrome - so M:Robe100, H100, X5 and some more 09.12.04 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 09.15.20 # H100 and H300 have a connection through a possible rwps and the theme has one 09.15.39 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 09.16.59 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 09.19.46 # indeed...i think this is something in how the theme site handles such things, but i imagine we can wait for rasher to fill in some info 09.20.12 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm7.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 09.32.18 Join evilwombat [0] (n=stevenm@pool-71-182-176-26.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) 09.32.23 # Hi guys 09.32.39 # I graduated from UMD a year ago and my web space is about to disappear 09.32.58 # Would someone mind re-hosting the MIDI plugin soundset on rockbox.org ? 09.34.00 # where is it now? 09.34.19 # It was linked on the wiki page 09.34.40 # Either the univ. site is down, or they finally realized I graduated, because my homedir is currently inaccessible 09.34.49 # I did not expect this to happen until September 09.36.13 # I would love to know where the latest version is... it's been a while 09.36.17 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.36.45 # at the very least, I should have a good copy in my Simulator dir 09.40.51 # Yup. I've got a good copy of the file here, in case the univ. space is gone for good 09.41.26 Quit andreah () 09.41.35 # I am hoping it will be back (not unreasonable for them to be doing maintenance this time of night) but it is good to bring this up now 09.44.19 # evilwombat: anyway, we'll gladly host them 09.44.36 # Bagder, awesome! 09.45.00 # I can try back tomorrow with a link, and if no luck, I can upload it someplace for the time being 09.45.11 # * pondlife wonders if greyscale targets should have colour screenshots on the themes site... 09.45.19 # I would have to do that tomorrow, because my home connection is extremely slow on upload 09.46.03 # pondlife: it's all to do with showing a theme for every target that it passes checkwps on. there's only a screenshot for *one* target, the one the user uploaded :/ 09.46.53 # I was thinking that a greyscale conversion could take place automatically, just so you'd get a realistic idea of how it would look. 09.47.05 # But I don't have a greyscale target, so am not too worried... 09.48.16 # for closest match, it should be converted to 4-level greyscale, with a 16x16 bayer ordered dither matrix. 09.49.03 # depending on which elements use colour that could look quite different though... 09.49.29 # hmm, not thought through 09.51.14 # yes, it will never be perfect if we're converting a screenshot. mono bitmaps are not dithered, but they're drawn solid in the foreground color, and would end up being dithered. dithering in rockbox is aligned to origin of the bitmap, where converting a screenshot would use a single dither matrix aligned to the origin of the screen... 09.52.07 # the best would be if the theme sight could make own screenshots for every target, even different 160x128 greyscale target screenshots look different now (because the chosen colours can be different to look closer to the original, compare e.g. an H100 and M5 sim) 09.52.25 # urrr... s/sight/site 09.53.30 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 09.53.56 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54966DFD.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.54.21 Part lee-qid 09.54.39 Join pyro_maniac [0] (i=foobar@p57BBA074.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.55.15 # or other differences like showing RTC info (would be replaced by --:-- on a stock H100) 09.56.38 # * pixelma wishes there was a "is RTC present" tag 09.56.42 # that too. a converted screenshot would be a rough sketch at best 09.56.59 # and if it's a greyscale WPS that's color-compatible? 09.57.38 # How about conversion via loading it in the sim? 09.58.00 # it should be grey too but without the tones that's used now to represent backlight "colour" 09.59.19 # or if checkwps could do screenshots? Reminds me a bit of the WPS editor... 10.03.11 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 10.04.30 # I was wondering if checkwps (or the sim) could be used to convert. 10.05.31 # or rather render, not convert. People don't even need to upload a screenshot then. 10.05.56 # Bagder, Oh hey, it's back! The file in question is, http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 10.05.59 # the problem might be that you need to provide some metadata or so 10.06.17 # cool_walking_: The only slight problem with that is me... what pixelma said :) 10.06.26 # album art could be trouble, also... 10.07.05 # I can understand theme authors wanting to put their favourite albums in their screenshots. 10.07.52 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 10.10.02 # maybe the theme site could give a hint: "your theme also works with target Y, please provide a screenshot"? Not sure that's asked too much from theme authors... I would do that then though 10.11.11 # maybe then point at rasher's prebuilt sims 10.14.08 Quit kachna|lappy (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.14.29 # pondlife: I don't think it would be that hard to extend checkwps to create screenshots, and it would seem very useful. 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And have you used one of the ucl files before? 13.26.54 # I mean when updating last time 13.27.24 # a few years ago was the last time I flashed the player 13.31.19 # I really don't understand the sequence of events laid out for or without rombox.ucl, why I should or souldnt have a rombox file, I fiddle and try and sort it out myself 13.31.21 # thanks 13.31.30 Quit loadrom ("CGI:IRC") 13.31.34 # hmm... I'm a bit careful with advice then.. is there something he needs to take care of amiconn? 13.31.42 # grrr... 13.32.07 # just wanted to tell that he can probably ignore these as a start 13.33.06 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.38.50 Join pyro_maniac [0] (i=foobar@p57BB9E91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.53.27 Quit Sedgewick ("off") 13.54.34 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-64-196.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.55.07 # I wonder if one (both?) pages he was referring to could be taken down as there is outdated info (AFAIK) and the current flashing procedure is described in the manual. The only thing that will be missing is how to get the rombox.ucl (by disabling database or more) 13.55.22 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 13.58.45 # hmm, even the zips attached to BootBox seem to still be there. The current one are available on the download pages 14.01.20 # shall I add at least a big red warning at the start of the page, anything speaking against? 14.09.44 # If something is not longer applicable I'm in favour of removing it completely. The wiki history will keep it if it's needed. 14.11.07 Quit johnteddy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.13.38 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 14.14.41 # I'm not sure how to deal with the info on the RomBox page, it's partially outdated but the "build your own" is still valid 14.33.08 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 14.39.08 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430d@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 14.45.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.02.59 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-206.net-82-216-223.rev.numericable.fr) 15.22.25 Join itcheg [0] (i=41d59de2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-02850d36923a4221) 15.24.37 Quit Sedgewick ("off") 15.24.40 Join evilnick_7 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ce28536cee6b1b19) 15.26.37 Join firedix [0] (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) 15.36.34 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 15.39.30 Join _Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 15.53.47 Quit Xerion (Connection timed out) 15.53.48 Nick _Xerion is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 15.54.39 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.55.04 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 15.55.24 Join n1s [0] (n=n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 15.56.18 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.10 Join schrottplatz [0] (n=max@f053224250.adsl.alicedsl.de) 15.59.14 Quit timc ("Leaving") 15.59.20 Part LinusN 16.06.14 Join simjoko [0] (n=simjoko@p54A8E4F6.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.08.01 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-065-013.nc.res.rr.com) 16.13.13 Part pondlife 16.18.31 Join webguest17 [0] (n=485c7387@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-fbf7089425b68790) 16.19.23 # how to restart rockbox ipod nano 16.20.05 # how to off the ipod with rockbox ? 16.21.58 # help ? 16.22.24 # Do you want to reset it? Or simply turn it off using rockbox 16.22.25 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 16.22.27 # isn't that covered in the manual? 16.22.49 Quit webguest17 (Client Quit) 16.22.55 Quit blithe ("Lost terminal") 16.22.59 # Bagder: it is 16.23.06 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 16.23.11 Join webguest60 [0] (n=485c7387@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f973da3b5963b93a) 16.23.56 # how do i turn it off 16.24.14 # a long press of play will turn it of, this is in the manual 16.24.20 # webguest60: Check the manual. 16.24.22 # s/of/off/ 16.24.23 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 16.24.34 # ok then how do i turn it on again 16.24.43 # i did that nd now its not worikin 16.24.53 Join Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 16.25.04 # workin * 16.25.05 # you look in the manual 16.25.16 # wheres the manual 16.25.16 Quit Sedgewick (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.20 Join daytona955 [0] (n=c32fcffa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-eb14eb7b8959e99c) 16.25.36 # now, where could it be... 16.26.04 Join hideicons [0] (n=54983125@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9949bbf9755a661d) 16.26.17 Join _Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 16.27.03 # Hi, flyspray help please. Can I delete an extra comment added in error (browser back button & resend screwup...) 16.27.05 Quit Chris_Black (Client Quit) 16.27.17 Quit Xerion (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.27.17 Nick _Xerion is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 16.27.20 Join Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 16.27.22 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 16.27.43 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 16.27.47 Quit Chris_Black (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.27.47 # omgggggggggg 16.27.58 # myy freakin ipod is gonna breakkkkkkkkkk 16.28.10 # Archos V1, I want to hide the icons, where do I find the setting, I've looked under Settings (+ submenus) AND System (+submenus) can't see a menu that says "Hide Icons" 16.28.16 # daytona955: which FS number? 16.28.32 Join renke [0] (n=renke@g225207052.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.28.33 # 10191 16.29.11 # ok. I removed the last one 16.29.17 # webguest60: Oi, relax! Calm down! Deep breath! 16.29.21 # thanks! 16.30.19 # 'how do i get this shit off my ipoddddddddd 16.30.27 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.30.30 # webguest60: red 16.30.36 # read the fine manual 16.30.44 Quit blithe ("Lost terminal") 16.30.44 Quit daytona955 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.30.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 16.31.09 # I've looked under Settings > General settings, "FIle view", Display, System, no find "Hide Icons" option 16.31.41 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1370009 assuming you're using a current build now 16.32.16 # how do i unstall ?? 16.32.31 # ah found it, "Hide Icons" is under themes, surely it's a setting ? 16.32.31 # uninstall ?? 16.32.43 Quit hideicons ("CGI:IRC") 16.33.08 # webguest60: This information is in the manual which a lot of people spent a lot of their free time writing. 16.33.28 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 16.34.19 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 16.34.55 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@74.0.180.178) 16.35.43 # his obviously immune to anything useful you tell him 16.35.48 # he's -.- 16.35.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 16.38.11 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 16.40.38 Quit maraz ("huoltokatko, brb") 16.42.23 Quit SirFunk_ (Connection timed out) 16.42.31 Quit Xerion_ (Success) 16.44.26 Join bubsy [0] (i=Bubsy@94.139.72.137) 16.45.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.56 Quit happosade (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.46.34 Quit webguest60 ("CGI:IRC") 16.46.42 Join webguest94 [0] (n=485c7387@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a1c716319f48db86) 16.50.16 # just want to share a x5 cf-mod success story, thanks to rockbox in general, and your cf wiki site: http://anythingbutipod.com/images/forum/dfkt/cowon_x5/cf_mod/ 16.50.22 Quit kachna|lappy (Connection timed out) 16.52.18 Quit SirFunk__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.55.34 # dfkt: Isn't that the DealXtreme adapter? 16.55.57 # yes, it is 16.56.00 # the cheapest 16.59.39 # how to go to orignal firmware on ipod 17.01.06 # webguest94: that's covered in the fine manual 17.01.09 # ?? 17.01.37 # http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 17.01.47 # LambdaCalculus37: sucker ;) 17.02.07 # GodEater: :P 17.03.23 Quit bubsy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.05 # do you often have such problems with webguests? 17.05.34 # On occasion, yes. 17.05.55 # But we have problems with other users as well. 17.06.15 # But I digress. 17.07.09 Quit Zagor ("Don't panic") 17.07.50 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 17.09.54 # we have problems in that we *have* users ;) 17.10.00 Join evilnick_230 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e1ea2181b4d564c) 17.10.04 # life would be simpler if we didn't 17.10.46 Join bubsy [0] (i=Bubsy@94.139.72.137) 17.12.09 Join Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 17.12.26 # hehe 17.13.15 # btw I did the fun and compiled rockbox using gcc 4.4.0. worked quite well apart from mp3_enc which grew too big 17.15.55 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 17.16.03 # (ipod 4th gen target) 17.16.05 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 17.19.07 # simjoko: Color or greyscale? 17.19.12 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@88-106-242-222.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 17.19.15 # grey 17.20.22 Quit Chris_Black (Client Quit) 17.20.27 Join wpyh [0] (n=william@115.171.173.167) 17.22.29 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.27.57 Join juane414 [0] (n=chatzill@119.149.14.227) 17.27.58 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.28.22 # anyone here knowledgeable with making a wps? 17.28.52 Quit Sedgewick (Connection timed out) 17.30.06 # i'm making a wps and i'm trying to have a .bmp image and a text, such as volume in decibels, in the same location on the screen 17.30.16 # but i want the text to overlap the image... is that possible? 17.32.09 # Can't you set the background of one viewport to be the image, and then the text would naturally be overlaid on top? 17.33.14 # well i want the image to change during playback 17.33.16 # I don't think you can set background images for viewports 17.33.19 # just colours 17.33.30 # its not a background actually 17.33.38 Join maraz [0] (i=maraz@xob.kapsi.fi) 17.34.27 # basically i want the runtime progress to be displayed in a ring rather than a progress bar, and i want the run time in minutes and seconds to be displayed in the center of the ring 17.34.36 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 17.35.54 Join _Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.38.12 # any ideas? 17.38.48 # i guess what i'm asking is does a .bmp always overlay text? Or is it the other way around? 17.39.51 Join _Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.39.51 *** Alert Mode level 1 17.39.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK Xerion 17.39.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK Xerion_ 17.39.51 *** Alert Mode level 2 17.39.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK _Xerion 17.39.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK _Xerion_ 17.39.51 *** Alert Mode level 3 17.40.45 Quit schrottplatz ("o.O") 17.41.04 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtd207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 17.43.09 Join _fml [0] (n=4fd3c721@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-e406d790393eb08d) 17.43.47 Quit bubsy (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.44.08 # i'll ask again... when making a WPS, does a .bmp override text or does text override a .bmp? 17.44.51 # <_fml> Hello. What is the symbol "HAVE_RADIO_REGION" used for? In the settings_list.h, the setting fm_region is protected by just "CONFIG_TUNER". Shouldn't it be cleaned up? If yes, I might try to do it. 17.45.00 # juane414: IF anyone here knows then they'll answer, there's nothing to be gained from asking again. 17.45.30 # A lot of devs will check what's been said since they were last here, so hang around if you need an answer as soon as possible 17.45.41 # well... three people joined after the first time i asked 17.45.47 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.45.47 Nick _Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.45.47 DBUG Enqueued KICK Xerion 17.45.47 *** Alert Mode level 4 17.45.48 # i haven't really used irc much 17.45.49 # <_fml> juane414: why don't you just try? And tell us about the result? 17.46.00 # don't really know how it works 17.46.05 # don't mean to sound pushy 17.46.10 # thanks for the help though 17.46.31 # just stick around for some time. people usually have a look when they got time. 17.47.01 # alright i'll hang around for a bit 17.47.25 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 17.48.51 Quit webguest94 ("CGI:IRC") 17.50.41 # kkurbjun: Ping; anything new with FS#7505? 17.50.48 # juane414: I'm pretty sure text will be drawn on top of a bitmap. You could always try it out, of course 17.51.50 Join bubsy [0] (i=Bubsy@94.139.72.137) 17.52.21 # <_fml> Another question about HAVE_RADIO_REGION: why is it defined in config-.h and not in the appropriate driver's header (e.g. tea5767.h)? 17.52.41 Quit Xerion_ (Connection timed out) 17.53.31 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.54.41 # arg... irc... i'm such a noob 17.55.14 # juane414: If you want it drawn inside the circle, you could colour the inside of the circle transparent 17.55.26 Quit Lynx_ (Connection timed out) 17.55.48 *** Alert Mode OFF 17.55.57 # i was thinking that but can rockbox recognize bmp files with transparency? 17.56.06 # juane414: Yes, the wiki covers this 17.56.18 # shoot, i didn't see that 17.56.22 # Colour 255,0,255 is treated as transarent 17.56.25 # *transparent 17.56.43 # ahhhhhh... nice 17.56.51 Quit _Xerion (Connection timed out) 17.56.54 # i'll give that a shot 17.57.00 # juane414: So the bitmap doesn't have transparency, but a specific colour is treated as transparent 17.57.24 # okay that makes sense 17.57.26 Join _Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.57.55 # i've never tried doing this sort of thing before, but i do a lot of photo editing so i figured i'd give it a try 17.58.08 # i must have misunderstood that part in the wiki 17.58.50 # juane414: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images 17.58.56 # juane414: third point under notes 17.59.12 Quit Xerion_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.59.27 # alright thanks Alex 17.59.33 # no problem 17.59.38 Join Blue_Dude [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-235-206-66.mco.bellsouth.net) 17.59.52 # IRC noob question... why does it beep when you message me? what command does that?> 18.00.13 # It is becuase I used your nick 18.01.05 # juane414: If you want someone to notice you speaking to them, you should use their full nick (e.g. AlexP not Alex) as then normally their client highlights them. Hint - try typing the start of a name then pressing tab 18.01.46 # AlexP: like that? 18.01.51 # yup 18.01.55 # great 18.01.58 # Grr, what am I missing here? I created a couple of files in the /apps directory to hold my project code. I included the .h file in the .c files that call my code. But after running configure, the compiler ignores my new files and the linker doesn't see them. How do I make sure my files are in the makefile whe running configure? 18.02.27 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@e178079195.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.02.33 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 18.02.39 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=kugel@e178079195.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.02.40 # Blue_Dude: SOURCES? 18.02.52 # "sources"? 18.03.18 # as in the file named SOURCES 18.03.42 # ok, let me check. Didn't know about that. 18.04.34 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579EC5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.06.51 # I'm not finding a sources file. I did add them in svn... 18.07.08 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 5 minutes and 56 seconds at the last flood 18.07.08 # * kugel didn't know rockblox saves high scores! :/ 18.07.15 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.08.31 # you didn't look properly then 18.08.51 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-21bd50f035b41f19) 18.09.12 Quit nibbler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.09.13 # simjoko: any benchmarks for gcc 4.4? 18.09.25 Quit Xerion (Connection timed out) 18.09.25 Nick _Xerion is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 18.09.39 # you mean a battery stresstest? 18.10.10 # gevaerts: it doesn't show them on a series of targets 18.10.36 # kugel: ? 18.10.41 # Blue_Dude: Are you writing a plugin? 18.10.46 # I found several files named SOURCES.svn-base. Should I be fooling with those? 18.11.01 # No, regular core code. 18.11.07 # kugel: ah, I see it now. I was talking to Blue_Dude 18.11.12 # ah, ok 18.11.29 # Blue_Dude: there are files named SOURCES (not sources!) all over the tree... 18.12.16 # Found it. How did I miss that? brb 18.13.51 # saratoga: not yet. I wasn't sure if it's of interest at all to actually bother 18.13.56 # * kugel demands .xcf or .psd files in SVN 18.16.14 # simjoko: test_codec would be faster 18.17.56 # I'll give it a shot 18.18.13 # i doubt you'd see a difference on a battery bench anyway unless it was huge 18.18.27 # sadly, my touch wheel is broken, still waiting for a replacement -.- 18.19.13 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 18.19.47 # here, brute force helped 18.19.59 # AlexP: sorry to bug you again but do you know of a way to get an image to blink on and off? 18.20.35 # juane414: You can use conditional images and alternating sublines 18.20.52 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.21.20 # AlexP: could you expand on that just a bit? 18.21.44 # as far as I know bitmaps will be drawn on top of text (with the exception of a backdrop) 18.21.45 # saratoga: isn't test_codec not included in the regular svn builds? 18.21.47 # juane414: Images can be conditional - you preload them and then display depending on certain criteria 18.22.04 # juane414: Alternating sublines display one thing then another with set timeouts 18.22.42 # AlexP: okay i see so i can use ";%t3%xd..." 18.22.50 # juane414: So combining the two means you can display one image for a certain amount of time, then another (or nothing) for another amount of time, then a third if you want etc. 18.23.28 # juane414: Should be able to, yes 18.24.38 # Editing SOURCES seems to have worked. Thanks, guys. 18.25.43 # simjoko: It's not. 18.27.05 Join hd [0] (i=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.27.26 # * kugel cannot figure out the font 18.28.20 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.31 Join moos [0] (n=mustapha@rockbox/staff/moos) 18.30.52 Quit HellDragon (Nick collision from services.) 18.31.10 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) 18.32.17 Quit Blue_Dude ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 18.34.56 Part wpyh ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.35.21 Join highjinx [0] (n=chatzill@wsip-70-167-45-122.ks.ks.cox.net) 18.38.27 # New commit by 03alle (r20926): Remove the HAVE_RADIO_REGION from the platform config since it's already defined in the tuner driver's header 18.39.33 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.82.24) 18.41.33 Join funman [0] (i=5132e1ce@rockbox/developer/funman) 18.42.25 # pyro_maniac: kugel : I just got a YH-920, can you enlight me a bit on the process to put rockbox on it ? 18.42.27 Join aik-rash [0] (n=aik@95.79.1.15) 18.42.30 # re all 18.42.41 # I also wonder if/how the device is recoverable in case of problems (I never had a mi4 target) 18.42.47 # how i can use album cover in rockbox? 18.42.52 Quit highjinx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.43.08 # aik-rash: did you look at the manual? 18.43.10 # funman: easy. Apply http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10189 and build :P 18.43.21 # not that easy actually. the 920 seems special 18.43.29 # kugel: sure, but what do I do with the built files? 18.43.56 # aik-rash: also look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt 18.44.00 # so, I added test_codec.c to SOURCES but it won't show in open with... menu entry 18.44.04 # rename FW_YH920.mi4 (or something) in the systems folder to OF.bin 18.44.10 # and put the bootloader in place of that 18.44.19 # and extract rockbox.zip normally 18.44.22 # funman, tnx 18.44.49 # funman: just unpack rockbox.zip and replace the pp5020.mi4 with the rockbox.mi4 18.45.08 # huh 18.45.20 # pyro_maniac: that's not how it's meant to work 18.45.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.45.36 # the bootloader isn't working yet 18.46.00 # I mean, it will work, but rockbox.mi4 is obviously not the bootloader 18.46.07 # thus, no dual boot 18.46.13 # There it is written that amarok is able to do covers of album О_о 18.46.24 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-160-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.46.31 # i am confused 18.46.54 # just rename the .mi4 in the system folder to OF.mi4, and put the bootloader in the system folder with the name that the OF had before 18.47.12 # i had to rename the rockbox.mi4 to pp5020.mi4 and copy that into the system folder 18.47.27 # rockbox.mi4 isn't the bootloader 18.47.32 # that's rockbox 18.47.36 # i know 18.47.47 # You're supposed to put the bootloader into /SYSTEM 18.47.50 # and as i said before, the bootloader isn't working yet 18.48.14 # well, I can't tell from here. I just that that's not how it's supposed to work 18.48.21 # mentioned on the tracker and in the wiki too 18.48.35 # yep 18.49.30 # funman: did you found the patch on flyspray? 18.50.14 # I think so, I posted the link 18.50.30 # simjoko: Add it to the viewers.cfg file (no need to recompile) 18.50.34 # sry i misst that 18.50.44 # thanks for the hint 18.50.48 # *missed 18.50.59 Quit juane414 ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 18.51.55 # pyro_maniac: yes I found the patch. The process looks simple enough for me, thanks. Is there a way to recover if the bootloader doesn't work ? 18.52.44 # funman: doesn't work? in which case? 18.53.07 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0070@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-616f9914d478979b) 18.53.10 # simjoko: What folder did the test_codec.rock file end up in? It may have to be in the rocks/viewers folder... 18.53.18 # funman: you mean the rockbox bootloader? 18.53.45 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.07 # MarcGuay: hm, it does not seem to be there at all. I added test_codec.c to svnroot/apps/plugins/SOURCES is that correct? 18.55.15 # how can I change FW_YH920.mi4 if the bootloader doesn't work? Will USB connection still work? (is the USB connection not handled by FW_YH920.mi4 then?) 18.56.09 # simjoko: You might have to add it to the viewers.cfg file in the source as well _before_ compiling. 18.56.22 Quit aik-rash ("Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)") 18.56.26 # alright, I'll check it out 18.56.27 # viewers.convif 18.56.36 # config* 18.56.36 # just backup FW_YH920.mi4 and replace it with the rockbox.mi4. this worked for me. the original bootloader handles the usb connection, so you can resore on errors. 18.56.43 # <_fml> What is HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL for? Isn't it tuner driver specific? Or does it depend on the player schematics? 18.57.06 # *restore 18.57.07 # "original bootloader" is different from the original FW_YH920.mi4 ? 18.57.22 # yes 18.57.58 # aha 18.58.02 # on my device the orignial bootloader wasn't really reachable 18.58.07 # ok, then I can experiment without fear of breaking it :) 18.58.12 # test_codec seems to only process wav by default 18.58.26 # yes 18.58.34 # bricking 18.58.35 # * 18.58.41 # simjoko: I think you need to add "*, test_codec, 0" to the viewers config file. 18.58.50 # So that it applies to all file types. 18.59.08 # if there is something wrong, just plug in usb and press reset 19.00.39 # i'll look at it this evening :) 19.00.58 # did you get rockbox running? 19.01.28 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.31 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.92.34) 19.01.55 Quit funman ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.02.29 # fuzzie: I don't have it handy. It's in a patch I uploaded there, I'd need to extract it myself too 19.02.37 Quit gromit` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.03.13 # still no luck -.- 19.03.21 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.03.23 # eh 19.03.31 # funman left, sorry fuzzie 19.03.39 # Yay, JPEG album art on my beast! \o/ 19.04.04 Part pyro_maniac ("Leaving.") 19.04.58 # simjoko: I did the same thing the other day, let me see what changes I made. 19.05.26 # what makes me wonder is that there's no test_codec.rock in rocks/viewers 19.05.38 # and all this mess just for testing gcc 4.4.0 -.- 19.07.21 # simjoko: we tested gcc (rc1 or seomthing) and it didn't work well 19.07.31 # gcc 4.4 I mean 19.07.50 # alright, no need to do it twice then 19.08.32 # well, we didn't test the release, and it's already few month ago, so you're welcome :) 19.08.55 # I'd really like to, but for some reason that test_codec thing won't show up for me -.- 19.10.03 Quit _fml ("CGI:IRC") 19.10.29 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ALagny-154-1-37-108.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.12.56 # simjoko: You select a file for context menu, then select open with and test_codec 19.13.46 # also, you probably can't browse it in the plugin browser, you rather search for it in .rockbox/rocks manually (test_* plugins tend to not be categorized well) 19.13.59 Join ufoman [0] (n=ufoman@whiterabbit.rz.uni-mannheim.de) 19.17.02 # find | grep test does not give anything back, also it does not show up in the context menu. I already checked on that 19.18.16 # then it didn't compile 19.19.50 # Hm, what's the policy on feature requests on flyspray? Ignore them? Close fixed ones? Close all? :) 19.21.30 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-223.hsi.kabelbw.de) 19.22.10 # Lear: mix of ignore and close 19.22.17 # definetly close fixed ones 19.22.54 Quit parafin (Nick collision from services.) 19.22.58 Join parafin|away [0] (i=parafin@parafin.static.corbina.ru) 19.23.06 # New commit by 03learman (r20927): Support longer tags on targets with 'enough' memory (more than 2 MB RAM). 19.23.20 Join saratoga_lab [0] (n=9803c264@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0c4292a0ad3efe83) 19.24.10 # simjoko: editing SOURCES is enough, if it didn't appear after that something went wrong and you should probably do a make clean 19.24.11 Part toffe82 19.24.30 # I am already on track of the wrongdoer in the tree 19.25.22 Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@parafin.static.corbina.ru) 19.25.56 # Lear: maybe that should have been >8MB RAM? 19.26.25 # JdGordon: Any particular reason? 19.27.20 # hmm, there's sth odd. in plugins/SUBDIRS the commentary tells that doom should only be built on color targets. selecting 24 Greyscale isn't color but it still builds doom 19.28.08 # Lear: for those that are going to complain about the extra wasted ram? 19.28.12 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 19.28.14 # selecting 24 greyscale? 19.28.31 # on ../tools/configure menu 19.28.47 # 24) 4G Grayscale 19.29.15 # doom works on some greyscale and even one monochrome target 19.29.52 # JdGordon|: Aren't the only users with 8 MB of RAM those with modded Archoses? If so, it doesn't make that much of a difference, does it? 19.30.20 # sure it runs, but on the 4g grayscale you just see a pixel soup :P it's not my project, but the guy putting that comment to the doom check might have had sth on his mind 19.30.28 # ah yes, I tihnk you're right... ignore me then :) 19.30.39 # simjoko: are you looking into apps/plugins/doom/SOURCES? 19.30.47 # no 19.30.56 # apps/plugins/SUBDIRS 19.31.22 # simjoko: that file includes doom for grayscale targets 19.31.30 # ah, just the comment is wrong 19.31.31 # which is why it builds on your 4G 19.32.13 # yes, I noticed that already. it's also the reason why I make that trouble in here right now :P Am I expressing myself that badly? 19.32.17 # the defines are what counts 19.32.24 # kk 19.32.51 # did you add test_codec to SUBDIRS, or why are you looking at that file? 19.33.01 # I had to remove doom 19.33.07 # because it did not build on gcc 4.4 19.33.23 # Lear: hopefully soonish some AMS sansa too :) 19.33.57 # also, I don't want doom on a 4g greyscale :P it's no use 19.34.16 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@74.0.180.178) 19.34.37 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 19.35.05 # the 2MB memory preprocessor checks are a mess since they group the tcc 2MB chips with the 2MB AMS (which actually have 2.3MB including IRAM) 19.35.36 # things that fit on AMS do not fit in TCC 19.36.06 # well, the .3 are the important parts 19.36.15 # is* and *part 19.36.44 Quit robin0800 ("No Ping reply in 90 seconds.") 19.36.51 # even though the clip would still have a little audio buffer, even without iram :) 19.39.09 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.39.29 # simjoko: why not? It works! 19.39.51 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 19.40.45 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 19.40.50 # my touch wheel is broken and now it seems my hdd is, too. lol 19.41.19 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.41.27 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0070@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2382100742e0c968) 19.41.29 Quit saratoga_lab ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.42.31 Join archivator [0] (n=archivat@77.70.28.57) 19.45.10 # New commit by 03kugel (r20928): Rockblox: Show Highscore list on 176x220 (e200). The space between the score and level is ommitted, since there's no room (the L is sufficient as ... 19.45.39 # so 19.45.39 Quit renke (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.46.33 # after the build completed I unzipped it to the root but it won't but up. seems I did sth rly wrong when I made it running half-way oO 19.46.43 # Lear: Uhm, do you have an idea why the Recorder8MB delta is so much higher than the others? 19.47.32 Quit SirFunk__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.48.22 Join mt [0] (n=MTee@41.233.144.200) 19.48.52 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.49.35 # amiconn: Static mp3entry buffers in mpeg.c, I'd guess. 19.50.01 # Hmm. Not good. 19.50.39 # Can't afford 5 KB of 8 MB? :) 19.51.27 Quit firedix ("Ex-Chat") 19.52.41 Nick J-23 is now known as rielev (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 19.52.53 Nick rielev is now known as J-23 (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 19.54.33 Quit dmb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.55.50 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hillshum) 19.57.21 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 19.57.45 # Lear: It's 10KB, and it's a waste considering that the allowed tag length was increased by just 600 bytes 19.58.04 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-163-22.cust.bredband2.com) 20.03.50 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 20.05.28 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.06.41 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85-169-186-233.rev.numericable.fr) 20.10.12 Quit jfc (Remote closed the connection) 20.11.08 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 20.11.13 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 20.11.20 # #kvm 20.11.28 # ugh.. 20.18.04 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-206.net-82-216-223.rev.numericable.fr) 20.28.29 # Llorean: I wasn't referring to the direction-changing bit 20.30.45 # Hillshum: What about directions? 20.30.47 # that was what the thread was all about though, no? 20.31.06 # The feature idea, as described in the first post, is using vertical scrolling to add a visual effect to alternating sublines. 20.32.05 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 20.32.12 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8c0655aa91e566c6) 20.32.28 Join dmb_ [0] (n=dmb@ool-4573a3fb.dyn.optonline.net) 20.32.42 # Right. I was referring to alternating in general, not to the ability to change the direction of the effects. Also, I was not familiar with the ability to have alternating sublines 20.33.02 # It's mentioned in the first post. 20.33.18 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.33.24 # um, what happend here :P I neither can't remove the bootloader nor reinstall it with the rbutil 20.33.36 # on which target? 20.33.39 # simjoko: What device? 20.33.40 # Hillshum: You're aware that viewports allow you to limit line width so you can have two separate types of information side by side, with each having its own different maximum width, right? 20.33.47 # ipod 4g grey 20.33.57 # Llorean: Yes 20.37.53 # if anybody here is interested in accessibility in rbutil, take a look here FS#10205 :-) 20.38.13 Quit dmb (No route to host) 20.41.06 # bertrik: re the radio screen.... the only good change for it is to make it wps-able.... 20.42.01 # pretty much anything else is wasted effort imho 20.42.25 # can any of the hardware get the song info off the air(using whatever protocol it is)? 20.42.45 # The S can, I think. Possibly some of the D2 models too 20.43.33 # JdGordon, yes I think I agree. The point of discussion (as far as I understand) is whether this would be done by extending the current WPS or creating a new WFMS 20.44.10 # and also whether to use the extend the old WPS code for radio, or create new WFMS code 20.44.34 # righto 20.45.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.46.37 # I think it would be best to add fm-specific tags and have the option of loading a seperate new .wps for the fm screen or reusing the regular one (with a tag saying which screen it is in so the wright tags get shown) 20.47.26 Join kachna|lappy [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 20.47.46 Join pyro_maniac1 [0] (n=pyro@91-64-227-210-dynip.superkabel.de) 20.49.32 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.49.59 Join SirFunk [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 20.50.23 # JdGordon, ok, sounds good 20.53.42 # my first impression was to simply add radio specific code to gwps.c, but I now think that would become a big mess 20.54.04 # not really... 20.54.15 # gwps.c also handles keypresses (and interacts with playback) 20.54.33 # oh yeah, that bit will be odd 20.54.51 # I completly forgot about that side of the wps 20.54.51 # every screen handles his keymaps 20.55.16 # sry, but what is the difference between ipod_10.3.1.1.ipsw and ipod_4.3.1.1.ipsw ? can't find any explanation on that 20.55.38 # one has 10 and one has 4? 20.55.47 # I proposed it a few weeks ago already, most of the wps & radio buttons could be combined 20.55.57 # -.- 20.57.03 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 20.57.15 # kugel: what? 20.57.44 Quit blithe ("Lost terminal") 20.57.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 20.58.49 # I can imagine we create a wfms.c (similar to gwps.c) that replaces the current radio high-level code and handles the GUI of the radio screen and uses common parts from gwps-common.c 20.58.55 # there are quite a few specific ones (ID3 viewer, pitch screen on the WPS side - the mode switch, preset list (even record on the Archoses) on the Radio screen side), just the first few comming to my mind now 20.59.14 # *most* 20.59.24 # and all that doesn't make it impossible 20.59.51 # re the buttons.. its probably easiest to keep them seperate.. the entire drawing part can be combined easily enough though 21.00.43 # I think the buttons handling could rather easily seperated out of each screen, combined to one handler, plugged to the screen via an api 21.01.26 # like the screen api 21.01.38 # * JdGordon| thinking over-engineering there 21.01.45 # * bertrik is not familiar with the screen api 21.02.11 # that would also give nicely similar keymaps for similar actions 21.02.24 Quit simjoko (Remote closed the connection) 21.02.34 # no, that would be enforced by the keymap file 21.02.35 # kugel, you mean some kind of key-handler registration into the GUI? 21.02.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.02.54 # something like that, yes 21.02.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.04.03 # like this "case: ACTION_WPSFM_SEEK_FWD { media_screens[curr_screen]->seek_forward() }", which would scan for FM and seek for WPS 21.04.24 # JdGordon: I also mean combining the contexts then 21.05.39 # bertrik: the screen api is a giant struct containing function pointers, which point to different functions for [SCREEN_MAIN] and [SCREEN_REMOTE] 21.06.27 Quit dmb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.07.13 Join dmb_ [0] (n=dmb@ool-4573a3fb.dyn.optonline.net) 21.07.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.07.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.08.23 # kugel: yeah, thats overkill... especially when there might be no way to logically map all the required functions on one screen with the optional ones on another 21.08.39 Join raphi [0] (n=raphi@pub082136118205.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 21.08.42 # how's that overkill? 21.09.04 Join schrottplatz [0] (n=max@f053224250.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.09.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.10.32 # heck, I dont even understand what you're trying to do there... just remember the entire screen logic except for the actual drawing is going to be different so keeping them seperate is a good didea 21.11.49 # will that make one big action context (with later use in one big loop? Just asking because of possible overlap of actions 21.11.53 # I would do one thing at a time, not try to create a WFMS and overhauling the entire key handling at the same time 21.12.15 # that's a question out of curiosity, only halfway thought through 21.12.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.12.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.13.05 # * JdGordon| *strongly* recommends not trying to combine the key contexts 21.17.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.17.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.19.46 # Out of curiosity, is there a list of (new) plugins in FS? I've found quite a few now and thought a wiki page might be in order. Couldn't find any, though 21.21.53 # archivator: Flyspray's for submitting patches for consideration for inclusion. A list of the ones that happen to be plugins won't really improve the process, I think 21.22.32 Quit nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.22.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.22.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.24.56 # Llorean: you have a point, sure. I'd think that bringing these plugins to the users' attention (thus giving more feedback to the developers) might actually speed up the process. I realize that the majority uses the official builds but the people who compile their own build might appreciate it. I can't see it doing any harm, anyway.. 21.26.49 # archivator: What the process needs are programmers willing to take the time to find out what's holding their plugin back, and put a dedicated effort into correcting the problem. 21.27.24 # Most things on the tracker are there either because of a lack of interest from someone to put in the work, or nobody with the time / inclination to review and commit it. 21.27.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.27.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.28.00 # If someone's actively working on it, they can create a test build with a list of things for people to test, for example. 21.28.50 # A wiki page of "plugins in the tracker" just means something else in our wiki that's likely to contain outdated information, or manage to confuse new users as to what's actually available and what's not, I think. 21.29.28 Join nibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-223.hsi.kabelbw.de) 21.29.43 # archivator: you also can just search FS with category set to "plugins" (and maybe "games") to get a list of plugins in FS. 21.30.05 # Llorean: As a developer of a plugin still in FS (FS#10065 for anyone that's interested), I feel that more user feedback - aside from programming advice from devs - is needed. Any and all ways to help more people test my work will be greatly appreciated. I just thought this could be a good starting point, 21.30.06 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.25 # archivator: Wouldn't the ideal way to get user feedback be to actually provide test builds? 21.30.55 # domonoky: not every patch is a plugin - quite a lot of rework, refactoring, bug fixes and whatnot. 21.31.34 # archivator: Anyone who can find the wiki page can also set the search to "patches" or "plugins" and see what's interesting there. 21.32.06 # It's just as easy for us to tell someone "go to " as to say "go to Flyspray and set it to the plugins category" 21.32.21 # And the search will remain accurate, a plus I think. 21.32.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.32.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.33.35 # Llorean: sure, perhaps. Though, take my plugin. It changes the plugin API, so distributing just a .rock is out of the question. I'd need to have builds for every target requested. Against which revision, though? People running a stable build would (I think) rather have a build against the last stable build. People running daily builds might want one against HEAD. And so on and so forth.. 21.33.49 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 21.34.14 # archivator: And all testing should be against a known SVN revision anyway, so you can rule out SVN bugs. 21.34.29 # If someone tested against 3.2 and it didn't work, the first thing you'd say would be "could you verify it has that problem in current SVN?" 21.34.51 # People who want badly to stick with 3.2 aren't going to be compiling their own builds anyway. 21.35.10 # That's why I'm distributing my own builds, remember? 21.35.26 # That is, a 3.2 build with my plugin, in this instance. 21.35.45 # So what, exactly, is the problem? 21.36.12 # My point is, we need to cover lots of use cases (in terms of versions, mainly) to lower the user entry bar significantly enough to matter. 21.36.26 # But the wiki page doesn't do that at all 21.36.55 # Sure, consider it out of the discussion. It's a bad idea and I see that now. 21.36.57 # The content of your proposed wiki page can be duplicated by a single search of flyspray with the category set to "plugins", anyway, so it's 100% redundant. 21.36.57 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.37.18 # So what's your proposition then? 21.37.44 Quit blithe (Client Quit) 21.37.55 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 21.40.33 Join firedix [0] (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) 21.40.41 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hillshum) 21.40.49 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54967342.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.40.51 # Right now, I'm trying to spark a discussion. My only proposition is on the verge of insanity/unmaintainability anyway. We *could* in theory have the build server compile builds with a certain patch from FS (after the patch's developer requests that and is backed up by staff member). That's the only thing I can come up with right now that will make a difference and it is almost infeasible.. Sorry 'bout that. 21.41.57 Part lee-qid 21.42.27 # Why would the build server need to do it? 21.44.10 # It's not like you need to track SVN for every revision with these builds 21.44.17 # archivator: take a look a tools/release/ to build a series of rockbox binarys for many different targets easily. 21.46.06 # Llorean, rasher : right, didn't think that through. How about an officially "supported" (endorsed, really) centralized location where developers would upload their builds (optionally, users would request certain builds)? 21.46.47 # we now have that 21.46.53 # the official test builds forum 21.46.53 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=53.0 21.47.23 # but users dont care about testing builds 21.47.35 # some do 21.47.37 # and by users.. i'm including devs also 21.48.24 Quit SirFunk (Connection timed out) 21.48.27 # Okay, I feel silly now. Sorry about wasting your time. I honestly don't know how I missed that forum. Really, I'm sorry. 21.48.46 # you might not be able to post there though... 21.48.58 # It is rather new iirc 21.50.21 # I just think the community doesn't have enough of the right kind of users 21.50.25 Join jordan` [0] (i=gromit@78.235.252.137) 21.50.36 # JdGordon|: Yes, the ability to start threads there is restricted 21.50.49 # But someone can always start a thread in unsupported builds and request it be moved over. 21.50.52 # A link to that forum from the "current build" page wouldn't hurt, too. "There are features we need feedback on and we have prepared builds to help with testing. See here:" 21.54.50 # When using the native list widget, in a plugin, which keymap is used? The plugin's or the core one? 21.55.02 # core 21.55.49 # archivator: I dont know if this was mentioed before... having a list of plugins in the wiki also means there is less incentive for the plugin dev to work to get it commited 21.58.31 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.22 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f5c5ed2a64fd21fc) 21.59.31 # #rockbox-community 21.59.38 # sorry 21.59.59 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.00.03 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 22.02.52 Quit archivator () 22.04.48 # why does the OF seem to take so long to load? (compared to a hibernated iPod and rockboxed one, both booting into OF 22.09.04 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5b5pre/20090509043912]") 22.09.12 # anyone? 22.09.13 # froggyman: "compared to the hibernated or rockboxed iPod" I don't understand what you mean by that 22.11.42 # froggyman, the orginal firmware is 1) loaded from the rockbox bootloader 2) is slow to start 22.11.57 # the OF is almost never down totally 22.12.07 # so i dont think they focused much on startup time 22.13.39 # martian67: makes sense, i only use the OF for video playback anyways 22.14.33 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 22.25.27 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 22.25.39 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.28.09 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 22.31.28 Join _fml [0] (n=4fd3c721@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-869d90117f031309) 22.32.07 Join Hillshum [0] (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hillshum) 22.32.23 # <_fml> Could anyone help me with this, especially with the second part of the question: What is HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL for? Isn't it tuner driver specific? Or does it depend on the player schematics? 22.34.26 Quit schrottplatz ("o.O") 22.36.52 # <_fml> And one more: why is CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL defined in the config-.h and not in the tuner driver's header file? 22.37.35 # _fml: Looking at the code, HAVE_TUNER_PWER_CTRL is used in firmware/drivers/tuners/s1a0903x01.c - so it seems dependent on the player schematics 22.40.00 # <_fml> linuxstb: aha. So the tuner chip might have the capability but it wouldn't be usable because of how it's assembled. Right? 22.41.29 # <_fml> Then the same would apply to XTAL: the frequency generator is a separate chip, and different players might use the same tuner chip with different XTAL's. Ok, now everything makes sense again. 22.42.39 # _fml: Yes, in the case of the S1A0903X01 it seems to be used by various Archos devices, but only the Ondio defines HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL 22.43.06 Join PsiloX [0] (n=eatmysho@78-22-103-115.access.telenet.be) 22.43.09 # <_fml> linuxstb: is it on purpose or just an oversight? :-) 22.43.25 # * linuxstb has no idea 22.43.42 # <_fml> linuxstb: but IIUC, HAVE_RADIO_REGION shouldn't be dependant on the player, only on the tuner chip. 22.44.05 # <_fml> (which it is currently is) 22.44.08 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepel@p579EC87C.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.44.16 # I would expect that, but I've never worked with tuners 22.44.35 # <_fml> amiconn: you are the archos wizard. Could you shed some light on the question above? 22.44.49 # _fml, the region stuff is a bit of a complex mess right now IMO 22.45.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.45.48 # <_fml> bertrik: why? This may be true. I've only seen that the setting for the fm region is not protected by HAVE_RADIO_REGION. I'm going to correct that. 22.47.18 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 22.48.13 # _fml, we have 4 regions now, 2 of which are partially incorrect IMO and each fm chip driver has its own coding for the region properties 22.48.55 Join bluebrother [0] (n=Dom@f053154028.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.49.48 # <_fml> bertrik: ok, I see. But what I'm going to change is the frame arond that, so I won't make that ugliness nether better nor worse. 22.50.23 # the OndioFM's can have one of two tuners - the old ones had a Samsung chip like the FM recorders and newer OndioFMs the TEA one as the Irivers (and basically Iaudios...) 22.50.24 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.50.42 Quit pyro_maniac1 ("Leaving.") 22.50.46 Quit raphi ("leaving...") 22.53.07 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 22.53.11 # <_fml> pixelma: so all the radio capabilities should only be determined at runtime? 22.53.28 # <_fml> (not at compile time?) 22.54.25 Quit coney (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.54.38 # sorry, don't know how that works. Is that also important for the radio detection? 22.55.16 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 22.57.04 # if it was decided at runtime, would that mean a need for two different builds? 22.57.07 # <_fml> pixelma: I don't know. But I assume that if we don't know the tuner at compile time then we can't make any decisions at compile time. So my idea with protecting some options with HAVE_RADIO_REGION might be not sound. 22.58.14 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba40e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4d497e7fd2d0b681) 22.58.16 # and I think you can't tell old and new OndioFMs apart for sure from just looking at the case 23.00.54 # eh... I meant "at compiile time" in my previous sentence 23.01.01 # <_fml> pixelma: but OTOH the majority of the players are fixed in that respect. And for Ondio's we'll assume that the region capability is present (which is how it works now IIUC) 23.01.18 # there are players wich only differ in the fm tuner but use the same build so they need to detec at runtime, also players where some have no fm tuner 23.01.54 # that too 23.02.59 # <_fml> Don't we have some code that's run once when the player is powered on? The setup code. There we could detect whether the radio is present and what tuner type it uses. 23.03.46 # * Hillshum isn 23.04.18 # _fml: Afaik only the Ondio has tuner power control. It is indeed dependent on the player schematics, but most (all?) newer tuner chips have a deep sleep mode that makes controlling the chip's power unnecessary 23.04.20 # t finding a rockboxiu after building sim. on jaunty 23.04.40 # Look for rockboxui ;) 23.05.20 # <_fml> But if I understand correctly, now everything is compiled in the assumption of the best possible situation. I.e. the tuner is assumed to be present but the menu entry might be hidden at runtime. Same for the RADIO_REGION: it's assumed that it's present (for Ondio's). 23.05.36 # As pixelma already mentioned, the Ondio exists in various hardware versions which can have two different tuner chips, the old Samsung (which has no deep sleep and hence tuner power is controllable) or the newer Philips TEA5767 (which has deep sleep) 23.05.52 # I get this http://rockbox.pastebin.com/f3b2478b6 23.05.59 Quit evilnick_230 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.06.17 # _fml, there's firmware/tuner.c which sits between the radio drivers and the more generic radio code in apps/recorder/radio.c 23.06.20 # The same Samsung chip is also used in the FM recorder, but *afaik* power is not controllable there (i.e. the chip will always suck some battery power) 23.06.57 # Hillshum: I assume you did a "make" before the "make fullinstall" ? 23.07.09 # linuxstb: Yes 23.07.24 # <_fml> amiconn: but HAVE_TUNER_PWR_CTRL is defined for many players, not just for Ondio 23.07.40 # Hillshum: Which sim? I can test if you want. 23.07.50 # e200 23.07.55 # * Hillshum tries others 23.08.02 # But I would have expected others to shout if it was a general problem. 23.08.45 # _fml: I don't know how it's handled /used on those. Perhaps it controls this tuner deep sleep, in which case all targets with fm tuner except the archos FM recorder should have it defined 23.09.17 # he said Ondio has it defined unlike other Archoses 23.09.24 # Hillshum: I think you have to be in sim directory not build for it to work 23.09.48 # it's not in simdisk/ either 23.10.04 # Hillshum: Works fine for me. 23.10.16 # This might need some cleanup. Ideally, this macro can be made obsolete 23.10.27 # Hillshum: Try running "make bin" again 23.12.07 Quit firedix ("Ex-Chat") 23.14.09 Quit Hillshum ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") 23.22.08 # whoa! 23.22.19 # (the sound mail) 23.25.05 # woo! 23.27.53 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.28.09 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ea9b030e3d43963d) 23.28.36 # * froggyman wonders if they mean american football or "regular" football 23.28.37 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.28.53 # froggyman: what? 23.29.05 # wrong channel, whoops 23.31.53 Nick dmb_ is now known as dmb (n=dmb@ool-4573a3fb.dyn.optonline.net) 23.31.59 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 23.39.18 Quit n1s ("Lmnar") 23.44.29 Quit nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.46.51 # so how many targets now have sound and not supported? 5? 6? 23.47.52 # 8 and all the ams targets! 23.48.15 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 23.50.06 Quit _fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.50.35 Join webguest [0] (n=8eb14f11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b7247d73c622bb20) 23.50.42 Quit webguest (Client Quit) 23.50.49 Join webguest13 [0] (n=8eb14f11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7ba938d981a2f862) 23.52.56 # I know its not done yet, but has anyone got any themes working for the fuze? or how could I modify an existing say... ipod theme.. or something.. to be used on the fuze? 23.52.59 Quit jfc (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.54.33 # as with all themes... it depends on the screen size 23.54.42 # its possible a heap already work fine 23.54.51 # I dont know what screen the fuze has 23.55.52 # IIRC it's 220x176, so same as the H300 and Ipod Color/Photo 23.58.07 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com)