--- Log for 01.06.109 Server: jordan.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 16 hours ago 00.06.15 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.35 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 00.08.03 # A really nice feature for rockbox would be the ability to use it as a USB soundcard 00.08.15 # Probably not feasible 00.08.22 Quit SirFunk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.08.47 # it is on software-usb devices, but what's the point? your computer's DAC is likely better than the DAP 00.09.38 Join matsl__ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.09.41 # Yes, but still useful in a pinch 00.11.02 Join jouke [0] (n=jouke@145.118.68.16) 00.11.29 Quit wincent (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.11.39 Quit matsl_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.12.17 # Hi all, Rockbox thinks my new iPod mini battery is empty when the default firmware thinks it's 50% 00.12.36 # can I force Rockbox to recalibrate? 00.12.36 # krazykit: if you don't have any sound card at all it could be useful, or if you get crap in your laptop line-out or something maybe? :) 00.12.57 # it's a replacement battery with 700 (real) mAh 00.13.12 # i think there's a setting for how big your battery is somewhere 00.13.28 # but i also think it's only used for time remaining estamates, not % left calculations 00.13.57 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 00.13.59 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.14.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.14.14 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.14.17 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.14.34 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.15.17 Quit matsl__ ("Leaving") 00.15.28 Join matsl__ [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.16.57 Quit ender` (" I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how") 00.18.20 Quit matsl__ (Client Quit) 00.19.16 Join lyngaas [0] (n=staale@19.81-167-149.customer.lyse.net) 00.21.14 # correct, Mikachu 00.22.44 # jouke, I can tell you rockbox is displaying a battery percentage based upon the voltage of the battery, and the known maximum and minimum voltage levels for your battery chemistry. What Apple is doing I can not say - but the /percentage/ displayed by Rockbox should be pretty accurate. 00.23.15 # okay, since the battery is quite new I will try some more charges 00.23.42 # the ipod firmware could play for a couple of hours more 00.23.57 # so perhaps the discharge characteristics are different from standard 00.25.44 # if you battery's discharge curve had, for example, plateaus in it - I would expect Rockbox to keep on ticking and the percentage displayed would simply plateau as well. Is Rockbox shutting down on you "prematurely"? 00.30.12 # if he can play music for hours after i'd say yes 00.30.49 # yes, Rockbox shuts down with a battery symbol 00.31.19 # but, again, this is only my first cycle 00.31.20 # and if you reboot into Apple firmware immediately after you can continue to play? 00.31.27 # yes, that is correct 00.31.29 Join evilnick_home [0] (n=evilnick@pool-173-52-142-29.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 00.32.10 # hm, yes, disk mode is seemingly unstable on my ipod 00.32.51 # which version of Rockbox are you seeing this unstableness on, Res1? 00.32.54 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.33.16 # the feature i would want is a "safe to unplug" screen 00.33.47 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 00.34.26 # I installed the latest current, version r21151-090531 00.34.50 # and what instability in the disk mode are you seeing? 00.35.07 # Mikachu, that should be doable technically 00.35.49 # i have a hotkey for unmounting the ipod, but it doesn't have any feedback, so i'm always paranoid and look in the logs that it's unmounted, so it doesn't really save any time ;) 00.36.08 # but it's usually the host that tells you it's safe, right? 00.36.46 # yeah, but if i run it from a hotkey i don't get anything 00.38.02 # there could be safety issues even after unmount, if data has not been flushed. unmount *and sync* is safe. 00.40.04 # i usually use eject 00.40.22 # IIRC, there is a start/stop SCSI command, if the host sent this I think we can assume it's safe 00.40.41 # I'm not sure whether all major OSs send this command 00.40.43 # that seems to be what the apple firmware does, if i just umount, it still shows the stop sign, but after eject it says safe to unplug 00.41.01 # if i umount, i can mount again, but after eject i have to reseat the usb cable 00.41.16 # (still with apple firmware) 00.41.39 # the same is true for rockbox actually, except it doesn't show anything on screen 00.41.47 # if i eject, the partition devices disappear 00.42.14 Join blaxbb [0] (n=blaxbb@nj-76-6-59-85.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) 00.44.40 # I guess an umount does not send the start/stop unit SCSI command yet, but eject does 00.44.57 # I think it's best to ask gevaerts when he's back online 00.45.03 # yes, it would be very annoying if umount did 00.47.44 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.01 # ah, gevaerts did the usb stuff? 00.48.02 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 00.48.41 Quit evilnick_home1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.28 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.56 Quit jouke () 01.04.54 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 01.04.58 Quit kachna (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.07 # huh 01.19.51 Quit bertrik ("Leaving") 01.29.20 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 01.29.41 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@MW1-DSL-74-215-1-115.fuse.net) 01.38.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.39.02 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.43.40 Join Administrator [0] (n=chatzill@ip-209-193.interbild.net) 01.44.41 Nick Administrator is now known as Freeman (n=chatzill@ip-209-193.interbild.net) 01.44.58 # hello 01.45.04 # anyone alive here :) 01.45.13 # ? 01.49.19 # ok, anyway i have the following question 01.49.34 # its probably a lame one ... 01.49.50 # just ask your question 01.50.17 # how can i compile Sansa Fuze boot file 01.50.46 # read the instructions, install the cross compiler, build from svn 01.50.55 # ask specfic questions if needed 01.50.59 # i have done that 01.51.06 # the specific question is 01.51.22 # how to install the bootloader 01.51.41 # you have already made one with mkamsboot? 01.51.53 # thats just the thing 01.51.56 # what filename did it create 01.52.02 # i have the original firmware 01.52.14 # but how shall i get the second file 01.52.17 # ? 01.52.29 # ./configure 01.52.35 # select fuze and bootloader 01.52.50 # make 01.52.58 # I haven't done this in a while though 01.53.40 # Freeman: if the second file is the rockbox bootloader, you compile it from the rockbox source code 01.54.48 # yes, thats exactly the second file 01.55.23 # thanks a lot for the help, I will read some more and try to make it 01.55.31 # :) 02.06.24 # in the mkamsboot README 02.06.36 # says that I shall scramble 02.06.48 # the rockbox bootfile 02.07.17 # any idea which options 02.07.19 # it compresses the OF bootloader and add the rockbox bootloader to it 02.07.27 # shall i use 02.07.31 # so it can boot both 02.07.36 # ahaaa 02.08.00 # you need the OF bootloader which it will check to make sure is valid 02.08.05 # and the rockbox bootloader 02.08.13 # run mkamsboot and follow the directions 02.12.12 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.56 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-178.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.28.05 Quit jordan` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.28.38 Join jordan` [0] (i=gromit@78.235.252.137) 02.31.15 # yeah :D 02.31.35 # fist sound from my Fuze running Rockbox 02.31.37 # !!! 02.33.42 # great job guys ! 02.34.21 # I will try it out and report ;-) 02.34.35 Quit Freeman ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 02.53.03 Quit lyngaas (Remote closed the connection) 02.57.00 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@c-68-59-19-150.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 03.01.27 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.01.28 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-5ef170d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 03.06.54 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba0b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-854ed264ced1ac3e) 03.06.56 Quit killan_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.07.06 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-5ef170d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 03.19.20 Join Emobathtub [0] (n=Matt@h53.171.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.19.32 # Hello! is anyone here? 03.20.28 # I have a question and google cannot answer it 03.22.10 # ask it 03.22.42 # I can't seem to get the "Recently Added" option in the database to work. I have a sansa e250R 03.24.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.26.35 Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e62dbd3535520973) 03.27.27 # Ah, but silly me to think you'd answer. Good night. 03.27.29 Part Emobathtub 03.28.29 # ... 03.32.26 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 03.32.51 Join froggyman [0] (n=47ba0b80@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0112048e97ce1f1f) 03.38.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.40.00 Join AndrewRB [0] (n=andrewbe@88-109-116-126.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 03.40.26 Quit dmb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.40.35 # hey, could anybody help me figure out what I am doing wrong with patch? 03.42.03 # fresh svn checkout, i'm in the rockbox directory... "patch < patchfile" always says can't find file to patch 03.42.17 # try -p0 or -p1 (before the <) 03.42.25 # nope 03.42.33 # look in the patch file what path it has for the file 03.42.33 # i'm in the root dir. that doesnt work 03.42.57 # whenever i copy/paste the path which it prints out (from the patch file), it works. 03.43.14 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 03.43.30 # hold on, let me explain better. 03.45.09 # http://pastebin.com/m1047a12a 03.45.22 # that shows me trying to apply a patch which I just created. 03.45.41 # i notice you're not using -p0 there 03.45.50 # ok 03.46.32 # ah. ok now i feel really stupid. i could have sword i tried that after reading the man page. 03.46.40 # or after i asked you to? 03.46.53 # i disregarded that as i was dead-certain i had tried it 03.46.55 # (sorry) 03.47.10 # okay, i'll remember to tell you to do things twice in the future :) 03.47.21 # haha 03.47.44 # twice makes me doubt myself ;-) 04.00.28 Quit pat_mulchrone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.02 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 04.09.14 # could anybody suggest a reason for changing this line in the D2's button-target.h file: 04.09.19 # #define BUTTON_MAIN 0x3FFF 04.09.21 # becomes 04.09.22 # #define BUTTON_MAIN 0xFFFF 04.15.58 Join pat_mulchrone [0] (n=pat@99-13-70-2.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 04.23.09 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 04.42.03 # no idea? or did I just ask a stupid question (again ><) 04.50.20 Join onlysoaa [0] (i=42248456@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e8f6b01658704a8) 04.51.12 # Hello all, anyone got a clue if/how I can build Rockbox as a sim for Windows Mobile? 04.52.49 # I don't *think* you can, but I'm not positive 04.53.27 # if you have SDL for windows mobile, it might be possible. i doubt it will happen without some work, though. i don't think anybody's tried, really. 04.53.54 # I read something obscure about cegcc; apparently someone tried before but didn't follow up. 04.54.34 # See, I have two devices, and I'd like Rockbox on one of them. One is my HTC Touch Diamond that runs WinMo, and the other is a Samsung P2. 04.55.13 # Some might remember me fail-attempting to port it to the P2 before. I just lack experience with porting apps, but I'm willing to learn. 04.56.04 # I figure it's probably easier to port it to the P2 since the Cowon D2 uses the same SoC and firmware format... I have no clue where to start though, as I've never coded drivers before. 04.57.45 # Would anyone be willing to explain to a casual hacker how the an LCD driver for Rockbox would work? 04.58.26 # it seems like reading the code would be the most obvious place to start 05.00.20 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 05.00.49 # onlysoaa: IIRC, the D2 Rockbox binary runs on the P2 without modifications 05.01.02 # I've tried before. ;) But with little success. It was like a totally foerign language, although I guess another go can't hurt. 05.01.34 # however, the lcd driver needs some adjusting, as it's pretty much hardcoded for the D2's resolution 05.01.39 # kugel: Whoa, what? Does it? o_o I guess I'll give it a go and see what works and what doesn't. 05.02.05 # I'd also need to reimplement a touch driver of course. The P2 uses a capacitance screen. 05.02.26 # Well thanks for the notice. *takes the leap* 05.02.43 # onlysoaa: please read this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15267.30 05.03.08 # at the end, I posted a link to the IRC logs where I was talking with the guy that just tried to run the D2's rockbox version 05.03.47 # However, in either case, even the D2 Rockbox is unsupport and very premature. That of course applies to the P2 too 05.04.58 # Cool, thanks. I see there's no current build for the D2 either. 05.05.19 # No, you'll need to compile it yourself 05.05.53 # Alrighty. Thankfully I already know how. :P 05.06.15 # Please post your findings to that forum thread, I think with some effort the P2 port can step up to the D2 port quite quickly 05.07.07 # Whoa, isn't that asking a bit too much? :P I guess I'll contribute in whatever way I can, but I don't think I'll be able to go much farther than where the D2 port is at. 05.15.01 # onlysoaa: no, I just asked to post your findings to the forum thread 05.15.23 # the 2nd sentence was just a general statement from my point of view 05.15.42 # Ohh. For sure I'll post my findings. 05.18.04 Quit kugel ("exit(0);") 05.21.10 # are our htole macros pretty fast? i assume they translate to machine swap instructions where possible? 05.24.26 Quit AndrewRB ("Goodnight") 05.29.55 Quit chandoo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.33.48 Part blaxbb 05.38.12 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.38.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.48.15 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@96.19.110.120) 06.01.00 # any thoughts on this? i intend to use it to create invariant key values for the pictureflow cache, instead of using the index in the cover list. this will allow adding/removing albums without the cached covers becoming associated with the wrong albums. http://pastie.org/496225 06.02.17 # i'm planning to word-align and zero-pad the strings so that i can just use hashw, which is smaller/faster, but i figured the byte-array variants might be useful as well. 06.20.34 Join lucent [0] (i=lucent@unaffiliated/shadows) 06.35.40 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 06.36.01 Quit yosafbridge ("Coyote finally caught me") 06.36.21 Join yosafbridge [0] (n=yosafbri@ludios.net) 06.46.57 Quit dmb ("Leaving") 06.49.38 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.53.04 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 07.04.38 Quit jmillikin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.09.14 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-5ef170d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.12.25 Quit martian67 (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 NSplit jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.12.25 Quit grndslm (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit killan (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit safetydan (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit MarcGuay (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit vedlith (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit Horschti (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit advcomp2019 (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.25 Quit goffa (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.12.34 NHeal jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.12.34 NJoin grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@96.19.110.120) 07.12.34 NJoin killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-5ef170d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.12.34 NJoin safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 07.12.34 NJoin martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 07.12.34 NJoin MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-78-116.vif.net) 07.12.34 NJoin vedlith [0] (n=ved2@137-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl) 07.12.34 NJoin Horschti [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.12.34 NJoin advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.12.34 NJoin goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.12.47 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.13.24 Quit goffa_ (Remote closed the connection) 07.13.27 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 07.15.10 Quit shadoxx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.21.44 Quit pat_mulchrone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.26.29 Join n1s [0] (n=n1s@nl104-208-152.student.uu.se) 07.29.08 Part toffe82 07.35.08 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 07.37.21 # hmm, when i try to use viewvc iceweasel says it can't connect to svn.rockbox.org but a regular svn up works... 07.38.25 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.71.149) 07.38.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.40.55 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.55.53 Quit Res1 (":\") 07.57.13 Join Horscht86 [0] (n=Horscht@p4FD4DE65.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.59.04 Quit kachna (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.01.34 Join pat_mulchrone [0] (n=pat@99-13-70-2.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 08.13.20 Quit Horschti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.59 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.18.02 Quit Xerion (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.18.34 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 08.19.46 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.20.47 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 08.23.24 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.28.54 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE637.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.35.46 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp126.contactor.se) 08.36.33 # the as3525 has two timers which already seem to be used (TIMER1 as a general timer and TIMER2 to call the tick tasks) 08.37.02 # it would be convenient to have a timer to generate delays on the order of microseconds that are independent of the CPU clock 08.37.48 # the as3525 also has a programmable watchdog timer, how about using that for a delay generation timer? 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When I boot the original firmware, the screen seems to work perfectly but after I boot rockbox, the screen fades away. Any ideas? 10.56.14 # This has changed recently? 10.56.57 # yep, and strangely without any updates or other possible trigger... and also I've tried the recent release just in case but no chance 10.57.14 # trmss, if you are able to compile your own build from svn, you could try various revisions and bisect it to see exactly which revision caused it 10.58.09 # oh in that case, bisecting won't help unfortunately ... 10.59.14 # trmss: I can't recall anyone else reporting that... Are you saying the backlight works initially when you boot Rockbox, then fades to off? 10.59.15 # it seems so :( I really couldn't guess where to look with this kind of problem and thought that maybe someone here experienced some similar case... 11.00.01 # yes but from the first second even, there are some dim lines vertically... and it gets dimer and dimer when I go into some folders... 11.00.46 # but in some random moments it works properly... that's why I was suspicious about the hardware and tried out with original firmware... 11.02.15 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3044.gwdg.de) 11.04.08 # So there's no sign at all of the problem in the original firmware? 11.05.59 Join p3tur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.07.20 Quit petur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.08.17 # yes, original firmware works perfectly... 11.08.29 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.08.42 # I was at least expecting the vertical dim lines, but... no problems at all 11.09.23 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-78-145-195.netcologne.de) 11.15.02 # You said it can take a little bit to show up. how long did you spend in the original firmware, and did you do many things that trigger accesses to the disk? 11.19.10 # does the original firmware have backlight fade (settings)? I think it doesn't but believe Rockbox does 11.19.25 # (on the Ipod Mini I mean, of course) 11.22.28 # Llorean: The dim just appears, not after a while... and specially if I enter into any folder... and I tried to the exact same actions in ipodos as well 11.23.03 # pixelma: I can check if the original firmware has a setting like that... I didn't change any setting in that side actually but... 11.23.34 # I believe backlight fade is enabled by default 11.24.11 # trmss: How can you perform the "Exact same actions"? 11.24.22 # The firmwares work entirely differently, load different things into RAM, access the disk at different times. 11.24.32 # That's why I asked how long you spent in the OF, and about the general types of actions. 11.25.48 # well go into third level of folder and choose a file to play... in rockbox... not the "same" in that manner in OF but browse many folders and play songs in ipod as well... 11.26.14 Join Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 11.26.15 # And how long did you spend on the OF? 11.26.19 # I've asked this three times now... 11.26.31 Quit Chris_Black (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.26.35 # spending same time yes, and it was working without changing the BL settings before... I'm using RB for about two years... with several updates... 11.26.46 Quit Sedgewick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.26.50 # just phone 1 sec 11.26.52 # Please, I didn't ask if you spent the same amount of time. 11.26.56 # I asked how much time in the OF. 11.27.20 # I would recommend using the OF for several days regular use, just see if the problem takes a little longer to show up there, before ruling it out as a hardware issue. 11.28.02 Join Lynx [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-78-228-126.netcologne.de) 11.28.29 Nick Lynx is now known as Guest69464 (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-78-228-126.netcologne.de) 11.32.39 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.32.49 # Llorean, OK, sorry for that... I got it now... 11.33.34 # Yep I didn't assume that a harware problem needs time as well to appear... 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Thanks. 14.30.10 # MarcGuay: you can select specific files (like Torne said) or specific subdirs of the source 14.30.13 # if you only want to commit part of a file, you have to be creative 14.30.15 # grep/cut/etc on the output of status to generate the list? :) 14.30.39 # or, yaknow. check the branch out with bzr instead and use shelve or interactive :) 14.37.28 # New commit by 03MarcGuay (r21153): c100: Get a regular build compiling. Very little functionality. 14.38.47 # Caveman style copy & paste from the diff worked fine. 14.40.12 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430d@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 14.41.33 # New commit by 03amiconn (r21154): typo-- 14.41.37 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 14.42.39 # MarcGuay: Bonjour to you; congrats on getting the c100 to build. ;) 14.44.47 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p57B9D5A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.54.59 # * LambdaCalculus37 managed to make a little more progress on getting the GoGear HDD6330 to build yesterday, but it still errors out at spots 14.56.22 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3023.gwdg.de) 14.57.19 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 14.58.22 Join Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 14.58.59 # LambdaCalculus37: Thanks. 15.02.18 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.02.31 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.03.37 # Although for some odd reason, I can't svn add the new adc-target.h file and two other *.h files. They're just a copy/paste from the HDD1630 files. 15.04.06 # Should I perhaps svn remove those files (I have them in firmware/target/arm/philips/hdd6330 in my local trunk), then try to svn add them? 15.04.20 # If you've copied the hdd1630 files, you should use "svn cp", rather than adding them as brand new files. 15.05.08 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 15.05.48 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 15.05.49 Join FlynDice [0] (n=jack@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 15.07.54 # linuxstb: So just "svn cp ? 15.08.35 # LambdaCalculus37: Yes, I think so. 15.10.51 # linuxstb: Okay, I'll give it a shot. 15.11.58 # After that, I have to figure out why it errors out when building the debug menu (and I need to get a pastebin of the error). 15.14.49 Quit Sedgewick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.08 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 15.24.28 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 15.32.51 Join SirFunk__ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 15.39.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.40.07 Quit gregzx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.40.33 # New commit by 03unhelpful (r21155): Add Bob Jenkins' lookup3 32-bit and 64-bit hashes to pluginlib. 15.44.48 Quit onlysoaa ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 15.47.33 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.11 Join mt [0] (n=MTee@rockbox/developer/mt) 15.58.27 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.05.28 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 16.06.21 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@66-172-233-61.longlines.com) 16.06.31 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ac47bba32a1e3f74) 16.07.06 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3004.gwdg.de) 16.10.14 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.22.12 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.24.59 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.31.30 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 16.33.40 Join DONO [0] (n=DNOO@202.164.204.127.static.rev.aanet.com.au) 16.39.05 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.39.32 # G'day im havin a bit of trouble loadin Rockbox to my 4th Gen (colour) . Anyone around able to help? 16.40.13 # DONO: Not if you don't describe your problem 16.40.25 # * GodEater 's psychic powers are on the blink today 16.41.01 # k , in Rockbox it states my colour 4thgen is on G:\ after auto detect . i click Complete Installation but the window brings up No Ipod Detected 16.41.31 # i read thru FAQ n stuff of course . but couldnt really.. see anything of this. 16.41.58 # 1) is it actually on G: ? 16.42.12 # yup , under My Computer its G:\ 16.42.24 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.42.58 # have you ever had Rockbox installed on it before ? 16.43.01 # nope 16.43.26 # do you have administrator rights? 16.43.29 # sure do 16.44.00 # Can you try going to the "Installation" tab, and choosing the second option "Install Rockbox" first. 16.44.03 # so, is anyone opposed to adding the ability for plugins to go to the wps after exiting? 16.44.20 # kugel: assuming you have music playing, sounds like a fine idea 16.44.37 # GodEater - Doin that now 16.44.57 # k installed. 16.45.05 # GodEater: it would also work without music playing. it would just start playback in this case 16.45.12 # ok, now try the first option, "Install the bootloader" 16.45.25 # No Ipod Detected. 16.45.26 # kugel: I'm not sure that's such a great plan 16.45.42 # DONO: which OS do you use ? 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OSX ? 16.45.47 # kugel: what would it start exactly? 16.45.51 # Windows XP SP2 16.46.02 # DONO: have you ever used the command prompt before ? 16.46.05 # where-ever you left off the last time 16.46.07 # of course heh. 16.46.25 # it's the same thing as hitting the wps button in the filetree or mainmenu 16.46.27 # DONO: you'd be amazed how many people haven't 16.46.44 # i was a part time network admin. so , thats that. heh 16.46.46 # DONO: well, in the manual (which I assume you've downloaded) there should be a link to ipodpatcher 16.47.37 # in fact, it's absolutely the same code that starts the wps (it works by adding a new return value for plugins, which then sets the same variable to true as if you selected music or hit the wps button) 16.47.40 # ipodpatcher doesn't even need the command prompt - you can just double-click ipodpatcher.exe and follow the prompts. 16.48.05 # ahk beaudy , ill get back when thats done 16.48.20 # linuxstb: true, but some people get scared by that awful text only window :) 16.48.20 # the modifications are rather minimal, and it's just meant as a ability, no current plugin would actually do it until it's adapted 16.48.58 # kugel: I think I see what you want to achieve, and I think it's a valid usecase, but I'd hope that only one or two plugins would actually do that... 16.49.53 # the aim should be to either add a menu entry for the wps or react to the main wps button, and not to replace the default and current exit behavior 16.50.01 # I'd only want the WPS after a plugin exited if I'd had music playing already when I started the plugin 16.50.14 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 16.50.20 # * gevaerts thinks that kugel should explain what he's actually trying to do 16.50.47 # making PF able to go to the wps directly on top of the normal exiting 16.50.53 # GodEater: I guess this is about plugins actually starting playback 16.50.53 # DONO: how you getting on ? 16.50.57 # ipodpatcher.exe even says no Ipods found 16.51.17 # * GodEater throws the support badge to linuxstb 16.51.19 # just one thing , Nano-Chromatics are 4th Gen correct? 16.51.25 # er no 16.51.28 # ._. 16.51.33 Join daurn| [0] (n=daurnima@ppp121-44-204-243.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) 16.51.36 # that's a 4th gen Nano 16.51.39 # DONO: not supported, as the frontpage says 16.51.39 # not a 4th gen ipod 16.51.43 # heh I was going to ask if you had a 4G 16.51.55 # but it always seems so insulting 16.52.36 # ah shit i read read wrong , i saw 1 through 5.5 .. whereas its 1 & 5.5 16.52.48 # without the 2 reads lol 16.52.48 # no, the generations are just seperate for each model 16.52.59 # GodEater: Why would you not want that? 16.52.59 # 1st-5.5th gen original ipods work 16.53.10 # ah righti , got it 16.53.46 # kugel: would that be unconditional? I think going to the WPS if you start playback from PF is perfectly reasonable, but going to the WPS if you just looked at PF from the plugin menu to see what it was about sounds wrong 16.53.56 # also, it's meant as an additional way of exiting. The return to plugin browse should always be the default behavior when pressing the dedicated quit button 16.54.34 # ive been mislead by the whole wording differently between 'ipod' & 'nano' .. considering its iPod Nano. lol 16.54.39 # gevaerts: Why? That's how it works in the core too 16.54.42 # anyway.. ah hell i feel stupid lol. 16.54.43 # kugel: sorry, I see where you going now - that makes perfect sense 16.54.44 # thanks! 16.55.05 # kugel: I'm a bit confused now. That's how what works? 16.55.21 # DONO: how would you suggest we word it ? 16.55.59 # you can go to the wps in the core too without music playing, like you browse the unrelated .rockbox folder or themes, then you hit the wps button 16.56.15 # ah ok. I see what you mean now. Yes, that's perfectly reasonable 16.56.16 # this will start playback where you left off and get you to the wps 16.56.41 # can rbutil not tell people they're trying to install on an unsupported model? 16.57.05 # i guess ' Nano-Chromatic ' would have made it more blaint . but .. now i understand theres a difference between iPod and Nano heh. 16.57.10 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.57.16 # I've never heard them called that =/ 16.57.26 Quit Zagor ("Don't panic") 16.57.40 # I could also imagine this works nicely for plugins utilized in the core (credits, properties) so that they're even more integrated 16.57.43 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@82.93.10.238) 16.57.44 # GodEater - --> http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ 16.58.05 # * GodEater shoots Steve Jobs 16.58.13 # I wish they'd settle on just one f***ing name 16.58.19 # i wasnt sure if there was a 4th Gen and somehow Nano-Chromatic was different 16.58.24 # so , thats why I was puzzled heh. 16.58.29 # sadly not 16.58.35 # daft name for it if you ask me though 16.58.43 # yeah lol 16.58.46 # even the 2nd gen Nano was available in multiple colours 16.59.05 # That doesn't seem the name of it, just an advertising slogan. 16.59.21 # perhaps, but you could be forgiven for thinking it was the name 16.59.23 # kugel: I agree. Maybe it would also (in time) allow us to move more core stuff out to plugins if we ever want to 16.59.25 # it's pretty big on the page 16.59.36 # GodEater: Not really - everywhere else on the site simply refers to it as "ipod nano" 16.59.42 # srsly though, shouldn't the autodetection tell yuo that it's not supported? i thought rbutil knew all the USB ids 16.59.42 # oh in Australia its spewed everywhere as CHROMATIC .. 16.59.55 # so somehow i figured it was different to 4th Gen ._. 17.00.24 # Torne: it should, but I'm not sure if all ids are in there 17.00.35 # hm. theyr'e listed on the rbutil development wiki page 17.00.46 # DONO: which version of rbutil did you use? 17.00.54 # and if it wasn't listed surely it would've failed autodetection altogether? 17.00.56 # 1.2.1 17.01.16 # DONO: we go off this page with our naming anyway : http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 17.01.59 # this link should probably be pasted on a dozens of places on www.rockbox.org and rbutil 17.02.14 # oh, hm. does it just invoke ipodpatcher? 17.02.14 # perhaps 17.02.19 # yeah thats the one i viewed and i saw 4th Gen and figured oh rockbox is supported , didnt realise theres a difference between 4th Gen Nano and 4th Gen iPod 17.02.34 # BUT 17.02.41 # yes, they're inconsistent about what they call the ipod generations 17.02.48 # they call the 4th gen the "Click wheel" I think 17.02.48 # DONO: there's not a particularly useful name to call the original ipod 17.02.54 # you saw the 4th gen but didn't see that it doesn't actually match your player? 17.02.57 # you can't call it the ipod classic because, er, apple have made a new thing called that ;) 17.03.07 # so it's tricky to be specific about that 17.03.22 # kugel: point to the "4th gen" on that page 17.03.25 # they don't list one 17.03.34 # it's either the photo, or the click wheel 17.03.50 # i just didnt see the difference in Nano & iPod considering its an iPod .. but now the message at the top of Rockbox's homepage makes sense hah 17.03.54 # I agree that it would be nice if the installer told the user about an unsupported ipod since they are the most common to confuse 17.04.03 # oh lol, sorry 17.04.16 # apparently it warns about some of them, but not all 17.04.20 # n1s: It should do, but it looks like rbutil doesn't have the USB IDs of all the newer Nanos, just one. 17.04.25 Quit Chris_Black (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.04.25 NSplit jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.04.25 Quit Rob2222 (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.04.25 Quit dmb (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.04.25 Quit perrikwp (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.04.25 Quit J-23 (jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.04.26 # DONO: that's the genius of apple's marketing I guess 17.04.39 # DONO: on the outside they all look similar, on the inside, they're really not. 17.05.04 # linuxstb: i'm just wondering how come it knows it's an ipod to detect it, but not that it's an unsupported model 17.05.06 NHeal jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.05.06 NJoin Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCE637.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.05.06 NJoin perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e62dbd3535520973) 17.05.06 NJoin J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 17.05.13 # aha yeah , i understand that part ;) like their genius who designed iTunes 17.05.22 NJoin dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 17.05.25 NJoin Chris_Black [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 17.05.27 # does ipodpatcher still detect unsupported models, to be able to dump them etc? 17.05.32 # DONO: you think he's a genius? I think I'd like to toilet paper his house.... 17.05.41 Quit Chris_Black (Client Quit) 17.05.44 # GodEater - was being sarcastic ;P haha 17.05.55 # DONO: thank heavens :) 17.06.42 # me and another Acer techie have a pact to roll him up in carpet and throw him into a pit of scarabs. 17.06.58 # bit extreme 17.07.02 # linuxstb: i listed the usb id for the 4g nano on that wiki page with usb ids so it should be easy to make a patch if someone can find it :) 17.07.03 # but I understand the sentiment 17.07.04 # * LambdaCalculus37 thinks we're veering off-topic here 17.07.08 # not really in my opinion. 17.07.29 Quit daurn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.07.32 # I thought apple bashing was definitely on-topic for #rockbox :) 17.07.32 # in any case , is there any sort of , well putting it simple , hacks for the 4th NANO. ? heh 17.07.38 # DONO: nope 17.07.43 # ahk 17.07.44 # why do we check for specific USB IDs as opposed to just checking for any unknown Apple id? 17.08.04 # getting an apple usbid thats unknown should trigger an unsupported device message IMO 17.08.35 Join Sedgewick [0] (n=Sedgewic@81.200.132.126) 17.08.40 # saratoga: very sensible suggestion 17.09.01 # Torne: I don't think ipodpatcher supports the new ipods in any way - rbutil detects them via usb IDs. 17.09.03 # except that won't work so well on a mac 17.09.07 # "apple mouse" 17.09.09 # "apple keyboard" 17.09.10 # etc 17.09.10 # :) 17.09.11 # Look what ive done. lol 17.09.23 # DONO: hey it's good to know these things 17.09.36 # it's theoretically possible for rbutil to have told you that your ipod is not supported, and it didn't 17.09.42 # so, maybe someone should fix that 17.09.51 # then the next guy won't have to come ask us 17.09.52 # :) 17.10.01 # Mr Someone already has a large todo list 17.10.12 # There is that 17.10.12 # heh i see , saratoga's idea seems ideal 17.10.24 # all the different ipod PIDs seem to start with 12 so maybe other apple usb stuff use other starting digits of the pid? 17.10.29 # i dunno. you would at least want to make sure it was mass storage. 17.10.46 # I agree 17.10.55 # going with all Apple Id's isn't quite the right idea 17.11.04 # or we could rely on the users knowing what ipod they have ;) 17.11.07 # just doing the list on the wiki would be a good start 17.11.12 # n1s: epic fail 17.11.23 # GodEater: evidently so :D 17.11.26 # hehe 17.11.45 # if anybody patches and builds rbutil i can test with my 4g nano 17.13.11 # does rbutil fail to detect a supported player if an unsupported one is also attached? 17.13.24 # no idea 17.13.31 # don't think anyone's tested that 17.13.59 # the logic looks as if it might 17.15.24 # hmm... pf seems to be crashing now on hwcodec - and it also won't be able to start playback the way it is now 17.15.57 # :( 17.16.17 # pixelma2: when does it crash? 17.17.52 # a very short time after entering. It shows the first "screen" with the covers and then freezes. I'm not able to move left or right or go to the menu. If I press "off" now, Rockbox crashes completely and reboots 17.18.38 # I pretty much only touched code which is used after entering the track list 17.18.40 # * n1s is very confused, the usbids in DeviceDetection for the ipods do not match those in rbutli.ini very well, the one the wiki states is for the classic rbutil uses for video, same with first/second gen nano... 17.18.55 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 17.19.18 # kugel: I would have to try when it broke. But the playback thing is a fact 17.19.31 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@cmo49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 17.20.08 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 17.20.11 Join pixelma [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.20.11 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 17.20.13 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.20.14 # Why? 17.20.32 # because the plugin grabs the audio buffer 17.20.33 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.21.12 # * n1s obviously needs more coffee, ignore 17.21.19 # * pixelma2 refers to amiconn for the details 17.21.35 # I see that it uses plugin_get_audio_buffer for "low mem" 17.21.47 Quit pixelma2 (" .") 17.22.21 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3023.gwdg.de) 17.22.24 # That means playback has to be stopped before, but I thought you could start playback after again, but I'm not into the details of the get_buffer stuff either 17.22.26 # n1s: hm, that's unfortunate.. presumably the ones in rbutil are right :) 17.22.36 # n1s: since it seems to work for everyone.. 17.22.49 # that doesn't seem like a HWCODEC restriction though 17.22.49 # Torne: no, i was wrong, misread the ini file 17.22.53 # oh, right. 17.23.14 # some devices in that has a "usbid" and some has "usbincompat" 17.23.18 # which confused me 17.23.38 # for example the ipod nano has no usbid but has usbincompat with the 2g nano... 17.24.48 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-065-013.nc.res.rr.com) 17.24.56 # which means i have no idea how to add more incompatible models, or why a 2g nano is specifically ncompatible with a 1g nano etc... 17.25.00 # kugel: I believe there is something else but can't tell you the details 17.25.42 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85-169-201-135.rev.numericable.fr) 17.25.53 # n1s: i would guess the usbincompat entries are on the closest model? 17.26.16 Quit PaulJam__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.26.45 # well it seems weird to me, the 2g nano is incompatible with rockbox, it doesn't really matter that it is incompatible with the 1g nano 17.27.12 # yah, but i mean the ini file is structured around models that *are* supported 17.27.15 # afaiu but maybe rbutil has some thing that relies on this so i'll not touch it 17.27.17 # there aren't seperate entries for things that don't work 17.27.30 # kugel: unfortunately testing on Ondio is always a bit tedious because unpacking a build takes ages :\ and if the plugin API changed I at least need the new firmware file and pictureflow.rock 17.27.40 # so the entries are "this is the install config for ipod, except this usb id which is unsupported" 17.27.50 # Torne: so it should get such a list imo 17.27.55 # except it's complicated by there being lots of ipods 17.27.58 # well, perhaps 17.28.58 # bertrik: I have seen Clipv2 1GB at 35€ here in Dijon 17.29.32 # we could even create entries with names for them so rbutil could print "this is a fourth generation ipod nano which is not supported ny rockbox" instead of "unsupported ipod" or w.e. 17.29.56 # well, that sounds like a plan, but i have no idea how rbutil works 17.30.15 # * n1s neither 17.30.31 # and the two guys working on it are not around 17.30.34 # heh. 17.30.43 # kugel: I was wrong about Next/Prev working in-list on the S it seems. I could've sworn I'd used the dedicated buttons there, but it seems they don't work there (yet, they aren't mapped to anything and so should be mapped to it in the same way as the dedicated volume buttons are, and since it sounds like you're using the list context for the plugin anyway, I guess it shouldn't really affect you) 17.30.44 # n1s: you want to add more usbids to rbutil? 17.30.56 # If only we had some way to contact them, like a developers mailing list .. 17.31.15 # saratoga: we're thinking it should at least include all the known ids for ipods, specifically so it can tell people that unsupported models aren't supported 17.31.29 # maybe saving some of the frequent questions :) 17.31.29 # saratoga: sounds liek the easiest way to tell users that their ipods are not supported reliably 17.31.49 # I thought RBUtil already tells you when you're using a newer-generation iPod 17.32.09 # Llorean: It does for some, but apparently not all. 17.32.09 # Llorean: only classic and 2g nano from what i can tell 17.32.54 # Aaah 17.32.56 # n1s: you could try just duplicating the line and putting more ids in tehre 17.32.57 # Llorean: yea, CONTEXT_TREE is chained in now. It's just a matter of implementing handlers for wps/stop/volume. Of course we have to take care whether pf doesn't already use that buttons 17.33.02 Quit MarcGuay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.33.07 # if you have one fo the ipods in question? 17.33.14 # i don't, so not entirely trivial to test it 17.33.14 Quit SirFunk__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.33.17 # Torne: yust found an example that should work, the sansas list multiple ids 17.33.24 # kugel: Since PF is basically just a visualized list, why would it need buttons that aren't normally needed for a list? 17.33.28 # stuff the ones from the wiki in there, and try it ;) 17.33.35 # * n1s will do 17.33.53 # n1s: can you actually put a message in somewhere? 17.34.13 # you don't need to duplicate the line it takes a list of IDs 17.34.19 # saratoga: not as it is now, you'll only get "unsupported ipod" 17.34.32 # saratoga: yes i know i saw how the sansas do it 17.34.35 Join shadoxx [0] (n=witherb@MW1-DSL-74-215-1-115.fuse.net) 17.34.52 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.35.06 # shall i commit or you? 17.35.27 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 17.35.27 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.35.28 # Llorean: currently it has a dedicated quit button which may be be a button which is already used in lists (e.g. in the e200 case, power is quit but would stop in lists) 17.35.31 # i can do it, but i'll test with my 4g nano first 17.35.45 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.35.51 # ok 17.35.54 # kugel: Does it need a dedicated quit button? 17.36.02 # If it's ever going to be used in the database, it really shouldn't have one. 17.36.05 # if you are lazy just replace the ids for the nano with: usbincompat=0x05ac1260, 0x05ac1260, 0x05ac1263 17.36.06 # You can't really "quit" the database. 17.36.10 # ops 17.36.10 # also, the list flips in PF, and left/right are used for scrolling in the album list 17.36.22 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD3084.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.36.25 Join pixelma2 [0] (n=Marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.36.26 # usbincompat=0x05ac1260, 0x05ac1262, 0x05ac1263 17.36.27 # I don't think it does, you can quit with ACTION_STD_CANCEL also 17.36.35 # saratoga: i did that but with the correct one for the 3g ;) 17.36.42 # * n1s slow 17.37.03 # bertrik: i can't get Clip LCD display something with FS#10048 patch :( , perhaps I should mention which revision I'm using when posting patches. 17.37.39 # detectUsb should probably also be fixed to check all available USB devices before returning an unsupported device error as well 17.38.03 # funman, yeah, the screen went black here too just after the bootloader with that patch, no idea what causes it 17.38.07 # I can 50fps in pf with FlynDice's latest patch 17.38.34 # I tried some delays in the lcd_write_xxx functions, but no luck (talking about a clip BTW) 17.38.49 # kugel: I just noticed... it crashes when it wants to enter the tracklist. Thing is - it also hints on a keymap issue because now going "right" on the Ondio doesn't move right in th art screen but tries to enter the tracklist (and I didn't expect that as it once worked correctly) 17.39.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.39.30 # so I can't test what it really does without the tracklist... 17.39.56 # regarding the recent fmradio problems on ams sansas that can't be solved by larger delays, I wonder if there's some kind of initialisation problem 17.41.12 # bertrik: I tried that, also changing the DBOP frequency 17.41.14 Quit lyngaas (Remote closed the connection) 17.41.15 # I looked again in the OF and there something very weird there: there is an i2c delay function that is called with the amount delay in R0, but the delay parameter seems to be completely ignored by the function 17.41.25 # New commit by 03nls (r21156): Add usb ids for third and fourth gen nanos to the list of unsupported targets 17.41.52 # but it stops loading covers quit soon (and I I regularly get theh F**K message which indicates retry in the sd transfers) 17.41.56 # quite* 17.41.57 # bertrik: perhaps the dynamic delay is replaced by a hardcoded value? 17.42.05 # pixelma: what happens if you press up? 17.42.39 # kugel: the F**K message is only here to detect an infinite loop in resetting transfers (failed transfer often happen and this sounds normal to me) 17.43.19 # well, it stops loading covers at this point 17.43.26 # kugel: the same. I'll bisect (as the keymap changes were a bit later) 17.43.29 # funman, exactly 17.43.58 # i.e. I can flip though the covers just fine, but they're all empty except the first 10 or so 17.44.51 # kugel: what do you want to tell me with this? I'm stuck at cover #1... 17.45.15 Quit DONO () 17.45.22 # kugel: sd transfers are not working (test_disk fails), so any plugin can function incorrectly without other reason than the code being corrupted. 17.45.28 # nothing, just made sure they keymap conflict doesn't make it crash 17.45.37 # funman, also the fmradio i2c delay is just a simple nop delay loop and doesn't use anything fancier that is independent of CPU speed (perhaps CPU speed in the OF is always unboosted with radio active) 17.45.48 # funman: "it sounds normal" sounded like everything is fine 17.46.11 # kugel: maybe, but entering tracklist seems to do... 17.46.25 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.34 # which is the only thing I can do at the moment :\ 17.47.11 # kugel: did you run test_disk to verify? I get sd transfers work correctly only when the data cache is disabled, and even then I have to use a DMA buffer aligned on cache line size (32 bytes) 17.47.29 # pixelma: this should make it able to browse through covers again (I hope) http://pastie.org/496616 17.48.17 Join moos [0] (i=mustapha@rockbox/staff/moos) 17.48.23 # funman: No, I didn't. 17.48.36 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 17.49.35 # * n1s turned out to commit the rbutil thing without testing because i cant find any info on how it reads that ini file or where it stores any config info... :/ 17.50.45 # I'll look again at the USB code with the help of the AMD Geode CS5536 datasheet. With the hope to be able to communicate with our devices when the screen refuses working. 17.52.35 # it also crashes with r21142 after a few seconds in the art view mode... :/ 17.54.33 # funman: "creat() failed" 17.54.38 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.57.42 # seems I need to do it more carefully. With "catch mem access" I at least get an error address. 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I just tried built tcctool in Ubuntu 9.04 to test out the D2 build on my P2, but when I run it, it throws an error: 19.44.24 # [ERR] usb_set_configuration failed (-1) 19.44.37 # you need to run it as root, e.g. with sudo 19.44.46 # Ahh, thanks. 19.45.06 # *facepalm* how'd I not think of that? 19.45.59 # Ah hah! 19.46.01 # It loaded. 19.46.53 # Pretty much the same as the last report, as I haven't made any changes to Rockbox yet. It's the same blue flickery screen as previously reported, but at least it runs. 19.47.42 # I have a feeling the D2 and the P2 use different power management chips; am I right? 19.48.08 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.49.28 # onlysoaa: There should be some information about the P2 on the wiki. 19.49.37 # That's your best bet to find out what the innards are. 19.49.46 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3008.gwdg.de) 19.50.19 # Yeah, the wiki page doesn't have info on power management. 19.50.34 Join SeaWeed [0] (n=SeaWeed@c-67-187-7-172.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 19.52.04 # onlysoaa: That's strange. Whoever wrote the wiki page must've forgotten to mention it, or probably didn't know. 19.52.10 # So are you willing to find out? ;) 19.52.36 # I'd like to figure out the LCD first. :P 19.53.24 # onlysoaa: there's some hardcoded numbers in the drivers related to the resolution 19.53.43 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.53.48 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 19.53.52 # kugel: I'm looking into that right now. The file in question is lcd-cowond2.c, right? 19.54.02 # try searching for the D2's resolution and it's hex-number variants and replace it with the P2 ones 19.54.11 # yes 19.54.50 # also search for the numbers-1 (i.e. 319 and 239 if the resolution is 320x240), those are likely resolution related too 19.55.11 # Ahh, I see. Any suggestions for a good way to search across files? 19.55.20 # grep 19.55.30 # Alright. p: 19.55.39 Quit Llorean (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.55.47 # but lcd-cowond2.c should be the right file 19.56.07 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-99-148-246-63.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 19.56.11 # don't forget to change config-cowond2.h accordingly too 19.56.21 # any e200v2 owners online that have problems with the radio? 19.58.24 # only with the mmu enabled.... will that help? 19.59.02 # FlynDice, can you test my fmradio_i2c_fix patch? 19.59.18 # it's in FS#10267 19.59.58 # sure, but my radio works with current svn, I'll try it with the mmu build though 20.00.16 # I'll be a few getting set up 20.01.08 Quit mt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.24 Quit SirFunk_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.02.04 # FlynDice, there's no hurry to do it right now, but if/when you do it please let me know the result 20.02.15 # you bet 20.02.37 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 20.05.23 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@208-15-25-145.netsync.net) 20.09.42 Join mt [0] (n=MTee@rockbox/developer/mt) 20.10.38 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.16.33 Quit PaulJam__ (No route to host) 20.24.24 # can you not do next-dir on the ipods? 20.24.43 # menu+next and select+next do anything 20.25.00 # or play+next 20.25.54 # Did you try short + long next? 20.26.13 # eek 20.26.29 # but thanks, that works 20.26.34 # Yeah, I'm not fond of it 20.26.38 # It trips me up when I try to seek sometimes 20.26.53 # its nice that it can be done one handed... but... yuk 20.27.14 # * JdGordon| tries to remember to checkout the ipod keymap and add nextdir tonight if possible 20.27.19 Quit Bagder ("*plopp*") 20.29.06 # * JdGordon| also thinks about adding an option to disable AA... 20.29.37 # An option to disable AA? 20.29.59 # Isn't that just "use a WPS without AA"? 20.30.00 # just don't put it in the wps? 20.30.41 # I'm using cabbie because im too lazy and dont care enough to find a different one 20.31.02 # and I dont think AA looks very good on the mini 20.32.28 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.34.54 Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 20.35.15 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 20.36.27 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 20.38.15 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p57B4DB33.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.40.03 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 20.41.28 # bertrik: FS#10267 works fine for me patched to svn, but my radio was working in svn anyway. When I added in FS#10048 it does not work. But interestingly enough it improves playback with the mmu enabled. I'm playing mp3 at an average of 43 MHz and only boosting 7% of the time. Perhaps there is more gold in the mine? ;) 20.45.58 # I should say 192_32_32_dcache.patch from FS#10048 to be more precise 20.46.30 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@c-98-232-168-140.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 20.49.58 Quit Galois (Remote closed the connection) 20.50.22 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 20.50.23 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 20.56.43 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dsq129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 20.57.35 Quit bagawk_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.57.55 Join FlynDice [0] (n=jack@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.00.51 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3031.gwdg.de) 21.00.52 Quit daurn| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.48 Join daurn| [0] (n=daurnima@ppp121-44-128-149.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) 21.07.57 Join wincent [0] (n=wincent@host-091-097-048-211.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21.09.46 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 21.10.54 # FlynDice: but it still crashes early? 21.12.14 # Yes it is does not fix it, but I was able to enter a proper boost/unboost mode simply by resuming play, I have not had that work before 21.12.22 # FlynDice, weird, the fmradio i2c stuff should have absolutely no effect on mp3 playback 21.12.53 # I don't claim to understand, I just observe at this point... 21.13.38 # the weird thing is that the current delay in the fmradio i2c layer should already be long enough, so I can't explain either that it increasing the delay seems to make things work for some people 21.14.07 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=pyro@91-64-227-210-dynip.superkabel.de) 21.14.11 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.15.09 # You see, I don't have the handicap of actually understanding everything completely. I just try lots of stuff and see what works ;) 21.15.28 # it is very much appreciated 21.15.28 # does disabling boosting make any difference? 21.17.55 # FlynDice, the F*CK messages I got with the 192_32_32_dcache patch scared me a little ... 21.18.37 # saratoga: interesting question 21.18.54 # That reminds me that F/X don't have unboosting as well 21.19.04 # and they have a quite similar processor 21.20.12 # though, they implemted a cpu_set_frequency() which does the same as our (switch to fastbus) 21.20.20 Quit PaulJam (No route to host) 21.20.33 # apparently, at some point, unboosting was disabled, for some reason 21.20.54 # maybe kkurbjun or jhMikeS knows more 21.21.03 # it didn't seem to make a difference 21.21.20 # i think the chip has some sort of internal clock control that was as good as boosting, or something like that 21.21.34 # hm, the radio still works even when boosted with the 192_32_32_dcache patch on my clip 21.21.34 # I'd think our chip has this as well 21.21.47 # i don't think so 21.21.55 # its not part of the arm stuff 21.22.04 # wouldn't that be a cpu feature? 21.22.15 # probably built into the SOC 21.23.04 # and the F never had the most amazing battery life either 21.23.22 # I think there was no gain for batteriy life 21.23.50 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 21.23.51 # saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime states pretty decent runtimes 21.24.01 # r12228 "disable CPU scaling again because it actually made the power consumption wor 21.24.09 # se." 21.24.14 # saratoga: 20+ hours isn't bad for a HD player 21.24.19 # wow, worse? 21.24.48 # 15h for with standard battery seems good for a hdd target with big screen 21.24.59 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 21.25.16 # I think we don't really have messured the impact of boosting on the AMSes 21.25.21 # its more like 15 hours with stock battery 21.25.27 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 21.25.37 # actually im pretty sure that rockbox is beating apple standard firmware for me 21.25.47 # or at least its very close 21.26.04 # Both of mine do 20+ hours. I got them on ebay, so I don't know if they have non-stock batteries 21.26.11 # signficantly worse then PP Ipods, and PP is crap 21.26.30 # saratoga, i dont find that :) 21.26.52 # if you mean that battery time is significantly worse 21.27.01 # that was the case at one time :/ 21.27.27 # regarding AMS, maybe the best way to debug the MMU would be to disable radio, boosting, etc and focus on just getting it working at one clock 21.27.32 # then enable more features once we have that 21.27.40 # that seems like a good idea 21.27.43 # i feel like development is chasing 10 different bugs at once and getting no where 21.28.01 # it seems very likely we have additional driver bugs which are just now being exposed 21.28.28 # but i have done no work so what do i know 21.30.15 # saratoga: I see only patched benches (with 24MHz etc) from Buschel. I don't think the ipod is much better 21.30.20 # MMU itself works very fine. 21.30.34 # The problems come with caches, especially the data cache 21.30.50 # * LambdaCalculus37 is glad to hear FM radio working on the GoGear HDD6330 21.31.04 # LambdaCalculus37, is that a first? 21.31.16 # We don't use the MMU in SVN because then rockbox would be much slower, because of the disabled caches 21.32.59 # bertrik: No, it just confirms that the hardware is the same as in the HDD1630. 21.34.27 # funman, and the dcache problem manifests itself mainly when using dma? 21.35.14 # kugel: buschel's test should be very close to stock SVN, 24MHz clock probably adds an hour or so 21.36.06 # funman: the dcache isn't enabled, so only the icache would make a difference 21.36.06 # bertrik: yes, we should check what happens when using simple transfers from the SD fifo. 21.36.17 # why's the icache not functioning with mmu? 21.36.45 # the icache functions "better" with cached memory. 21.37.00 # since it's enabled i suppose it works fine 21.37.13 # I mean, if we enable at least the mmu in svn, in theory, we shouldn't be slower? 21.37.15 # funman, yes I would like to see how it behaves with just one DMA active (only PCM) 21.37.35 # kugel: perhaps virtual address translation takes more cycles to complete 21.37.40 # I once enabled only the MMU and I had the same poor speed as when i disabled the icache 21.39.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.43.33 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.45.23 # New commit by 03bertrik (r21159): Add missing delay in i2c_start of the generic_i2c driver, used by ams targets. 21.47.22 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.47.48 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0070@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.50.25 # build rockbox, zip, unzip, boot : works. modify test_disk, build, zip, unzip, boot : white screen. 21.50.30 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-191-122.access.telenet.be) 21.51.19 # i think you miss a "unmount/eject" step in there... might cause weirdness from time to time ;) 21.51.42 # nope, safely unmounted 21.53.17 # so random weirdness or a rockbox bug that only shows itself sometimes maybe? 21.53.26 Join robin0800_ [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 21.54.01 # n1s: a random bug that shows on AMS - with one of the patches attached to FS#10048 - 21.54.33 # alright it booted, now to verify what test_disk has to say 21.54.34 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnr020.ugent.be) 21.55.33 Part wark ("Leaving") 21.59.12 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.00.54 # funman: you have really no RTC in rockbox on the samsung? 22.00.55 # it says something in the lines of "damn, you handle pretty well your data cache : i couldn't find any error transferring 300MB while the data cache is on" 22.01.07 # kugel: yeah really :) you don't trust me? 22.01.21 # weird 22.01.52 # It works just fine on my yh925, and it also doesn't show in the OF 22.02.13 # perhaps some additional magic is required, like for making sound work 22.02.34 # perhaps even the same magic? :) 22.02.43 # yes perhaps 22.03.08 # i started disassembling but it's very different from the sansa ams 22.03.50 # for example the PP registers can often be loaded in a register with 1 mov, unlike on ams where the register offset is loaded from memory, and then you can find cross references to it 22.06.07 # bertrik: the patch I attached to FS#10048 has to be edited 22.06.57 # I'll try the correct version on the Clip. It is very stable on the Fuze except some white screens when booting 22.07.13 # test_disk passes, and I'm listening to a Jimi Hendrix album right now. 22.07.20 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barry@barry-workstation.ucd.ie) 22.09.02 # funman, I'm interested in trying it 22.09.45 # bertrik: uncomment declaration of uncached_buffer and memcpy() calls using it, and comment the other memcpy() calls. (all of this in ata_xx.c) 22.10.17 # disable or enable data cache in system-as3525.c (I have it enabled here) 22.12.11 Join Xakh [0] (n=xakh@user-12lm0l4.cable.mindspring.com) 22.12.26 # I still have the "white" (=black because there is no backlight on the Clip OLED display) effect. 22.12.48 # So... The Sansa Clip, does it work with Rockbox? 22.12.52 # I also modified the CCU_SCON register to be 0x1 (dma has the highest priority) 22.13.03 # Xakh: can you see it on the list of supported targets ? 22.13.04 Join froggyman [0] (n=Froggyma@pool-71-186-11-128.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.13.18 # Iunno where that is.... 22.13.21 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.34 # check rockbox.org 22.13.47 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.13.50 # well, I didn't see it, but you guys were talking about it. 22.14.15 # we work on it, but it doesn't work yet 22.15.03 # and we don't know how long it will take 22.15.48 Join robin0800__ [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 22.20.36 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.21.30 Quit domonoky (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.08 # funman, I still get a blank screen on my clip 22.22.23 # bertrik: same here 22.23.17 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.23.55 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 22.25.50 # Oh, so it turns out the P2's LCD is quite different from the D2's. It just happens that the D2's code made the P2 display something. 22.26.05 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3014.gwdg.de) 22.27.22 # funman, I think I know what's wrong :P 22.27.48 # * funman holds his breath 22.28.05 # * Mikachu prepares the oxygen tank 22.28.40 # I added a map_section(0, 0, 4096, CACHE_NONE); to set a default non-cached linear mapping for all memory before mapping all of the other specific ranges 22.29.55 # I mean that helped to get display working again 22.30.12 # hum where did that call go ? Oo 22.30.21 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3014.gwdg.de) 22.30.55 # i'm pretty sure it was there in the first patches ! thanks for noticing 22.31.15 # rockbox summons demons! froggyman told me so 22.31.42 # Okay, shoot. The P2's LCD data sheet should have all the info necessary to write a driver, but I don't know how. 22.31.45 Quit robin0800_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.31.47 # so when you talk about the D2, do you mean Samsung's D2? 22.32.08 # Xakh, Samsung P2, and Cowon D2. 22.32.12 # Ah. 22.32.14 # K. 22.32.27 # How well does the Cowon D2 work? 22.32.29 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 22.32.36 # bertrik: test_disk running on the Clip, can you test playback ? ;) 22.32.41 # I have a P2, and it has hardware similar to the D2, so I'm using the D2 port as a base. Not sure how to proceed though. 22.32.46 Join lyngaas [0] (n=staale@19.81-167-149.customer.lyse.net) 22.33.32 # test_disk only reads and should be relatively safe, right? 22.34.21 # test_disk writes 300MB of data and then reads it back. It should be as safe as current SVN, except that it may break the filesystem 22.34.50 # pixelma: that's very odd, as the album list config on pretty much everything but m3 maps BUTTON_RIGHT,BUTTON_NONE to PF_NEXT, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT,BUTTON_NONE to PF_NEXT_REPEAT, and makes sure that BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REL and BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT with precondition BUTTON_NONE both map to ACTION_NONE. 22.35.21 # does the same thing happen on ondio sim? might at least be able to trace how it matches the wrong mapping, then. 22.36.04 # bertrik: the call was there in my 12th may patch, and absent in my 27th may patch :/ 22.38.42 # Clip: test passed. 22.38.49 # BTW, do you know a way to disable database refresh on the clip? 22.38.58 # no :/ 22.39.55 # hm, "incompatible model" :/ 22.40.27 Quit robin0800__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.40.28 # bertrik: make clean? (allocation of room for the TTB changes the memory map) 22.40.42 # yes, doing that now 22.41.31 # hrm, recorder sim is utterly broken, also. 22.46.04 # Hum I see the Clip crashing (twice when resuming playback from the main menu) 22.46.13 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 22.46.28 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@adsl2-128.her.forthnet.gr) 22.48.08 # funman, I'm not familiar with test_disk but it's doing something now (it's going to take a while I think) 22.48.29 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.48.42 Quit stoffel ("leaving") 22.48.49 # I think it's writing slightly faster than 1 MB/s 22.49.27 # bertrik: it's computing a sequence of numbers and writing it to disk (mixing aligned/unaligned accesses and transfer sizes), and then will read it back and verify it. 22.50.28 Part Xakh 22.50.51 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.19 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 22.51.20 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.51.38 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 22.51.38 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.51.53 # funman, so far so good, this is taking a while .. 22.51.58 Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.53.25 # ~5 minutes 22.53.27 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180080062.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.56.43 # i think i see the trouble :/ 22.57.04 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 22.58.43 # Unhelpful: haven't investigated further as I didn't have much time and concentrated on the crash. Revision 20800 worked and 21000 didn't (I know not much yet) so my gut feeling it that it has something to do with jpg and/or restructuring as overlay plugin 22.59.23 # pixelma: CONTEXT_PLUGIN conflicts with ALLOW_SOFTLOCK 23.00.37 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21160): Onda VX747: try at implementing FM tuner support 23.00.42 # so that under certain circumstances, core can up masking out CONTEXT_PLUGIN 23.01.37 # i've fixed it locally, but i should bump min plugin version for this, so i need to figure out how to sort some things. :) 23.02.01 # funman, not sure what I'm testing right now ... I took the patch, added the default linear uncached MMU mapping, edited ata_sd_as3525 to use the uncached buffer 23.02.07 # playback hung after about 10 seconds 23.02.29 # should action_get_touchscreen_press go with touchscreen_set_mode or with the other action/button stuff? 23.02.33 # (and did the icache enable thing in system-as3525.c) 23.02.53 Join daurn [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 23.03.02 # bertrik: well you are testing rockbox with both caches enabled 23.04.16 # the HW info debug menu now says: MMU:op, Icache: op, Dcache:nop 23.07.07 Quit shadoxx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.08.51 # New commit by 03unhelpful (r21161): Fix PF keymap issue caused by conflict between new CONTEXT_PLUGIN and ALLOW_SOFTLOCK, by changing value of ALLOW_SOFTLOCK. Bump min plugin version as ... 23.09.29 # pixelma: that should sort the keymap issue, at least it did on recorder sim for me. it might even happen to clear the crash, though i can't be certain of that. 23.09.56 # What's the current plan for (Rockbox) USB in bootloaders on PP targets for 3.3, are they to be included? 23.10.22 # Unhelpful: I guess not, the crash happened with r21000 too which was from before the keymap changes 23.10.27 # bertrik: just comment the code which disables data cache, or get my patch from FS#10048 23.11.01 Quit {phoenix} (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.12.30 # pixelma: that's... quite old. does backing out the plugin.lds change in that revision fix it, or do you not know yet if the problem goes back even farther? 23.14.42 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.15.48 # mcuelenaere: Rockbox Blame Game! 23.15.58 # I'm aware :) 23.16.03 # goodie 23.18.41 # funman, working nicely so far :) 23.19.00 # bertrik: yup, i'm listening full albums with that patch :) 23.19.49 Quit daurn| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.21.18 # wait, test_fps now claims 1591 fps for 1/1 greyscale ... 23.21.31 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21162): Fix reds & yellow 23.21.46 Join keverw [0] (n=kwvideo1@cpe-69-135-194-29.woh.res.rr.com) 23.23.36 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 23.25.08 # mcuelenaere: apparently we have another report for "crash on PF track list enter". i've still no idea how buflib_buffer_out could do that. 23.25.22 # FS# ? 23.25.29 # and which target? 23.25.29 # bertrik: how full is your Clip's battery? it would be interesting to run a battery bench with this patch applied 23.26.15 # mcuelenaere: from pixelma, and on ondio. it apparently goes back to at least r21000 for her. 23.26.29 # I'll look at it again on my target now 23.27.04 # * mcuelenaere has plenty of Rockbox bugs on his Onda :) 23.27.25 # bertrik: apparently my Clip crashes everytime I use database or "resume playback" 23.28.05 # New commit by 03amiconn (r21163): Speed up mono bitmap drawing on horizontally packed greyscale targets (greyscale iPods). Average speedup is 80% on PP5002, and 55% on PP502x. * ... 23.32.07 # Unhelpful: yep, I can reconfirm it's l.796 (buflib_buffer_out); I'll look into it 23.32.36 # Unhelpful: does that function gets called elsewhere? 23.32.42 # get* 23.32.42 # mcuelenaere: is it possible to trace more closely inside buflib? 23.32.50 # that's what I'm trying to do:) 23.33.32 # i believe there are two calls to in, both in create_track_index - one to initially force all free space out of the buflib buffer, the second to do so again after freeing a slide, if the track index runs out of space. 23.33.58 Part keverw 23.34.53 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.35.53 Quit pyro_maniac ("Leaving.") 23.36.04 # Unhelpful: buflib_buffer_shift(ctx, avail); seems to cause the hang (l.206, buflib.c) 23.37.13 Join webguest [0] (n=ad585e5d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9fca2c0aafaeb56c) 23.37.16 # * mcuelenaere suspects the memmove call 23.37.58 # hm, we're now down to 20 build servers 23.37.58 Quit webguest (Client Quit) 23.38.16 # * mcuelenaere is right 23.38.30 # Unhelpful: l.177 at buflib.c 23.38.49 # I think memcpy == memmove on MIPS targets 23.38.51 # funman, I'll try some things tomorrow 23.39.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.39.23 # hrm. is it being called in some invalid fashion, though? zero or negative length, maybe? the buffer shoudln't really *be* empty... 23.39.26 # Bagder: do you know the rockbox git server is down ? 23.39.41 # now I do! 23.39.52 # You don't have permission to access / on this server. 23.40.24 # Unhelpful: I'll try with a panicf 23.40.32 # ah no, plugins don't have access to that 23.40.56 # funman: down as in how down? 23.41.10 # git.rockbox.org[0: 83.168.254.42]: errno=Connection refused 23.42.53 # ls -l /usr/bin/git-daemon 23.42.53 # ls: cannot access /usr/bin/git-daemon: No such file or directory 23.43.04 # can that have anything to do with it? B) 23.43.09 # sure 23.43.26 # git now (since several months already) doesn't use git-XX commands, but "git XX" only 23.43.29 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 23.43.50 # that must be why people using svn where seeing a post commit hook failed: "git-push failed" 23.43.55 # funman, stopping playback and restarting it with Resume Playback works here, I'll try it across a reboot 23.44.14 # works across a reboot too 23.44.14 # git-daemon should still be there, the dashless thing only applies to interface commands 23.44.15 # funman: yes, as it's done in the post commit hook for svn 23.44.32 # Mikachu: I assume the debian package is modified to not provide it anymore or something 23.44.33 Quit jfc (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.44.42 # or possibly zagor just made a mistake or something 23.44.47 # that said, i could be wrong 23.44.50 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc691978010.direcpc.com) 23.44.58 # I'll change it to use the dash-less one 23.45.35 # hum git-daemon is not part of my git installation, so I'm not sure if it uses the same naming convention 23.46.06 # it does 23.46.31 # at least "git daemon" is there and works 23.46.35 # Unhelpful: rb->memmove(0x80FA37A0, 0x80F0C3B0, 395340); (RAM starts at 0x80004000 and is 16MB long) 23.46.37 # git server is up, now I guess it will be synced at the next commit 23.46.52 # I'll force a sync, hang on 23.46.57 # git.rockbox.org still doesn't work, if it should 23.49.03 # hehe, git-push was used as well 23.49.45 # you can add `git --exec-path` to $path and dashed commands should work too 23.49.59 # Bagder: thanks! 23.53.21 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.55.21 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.57.47 # hmm sorry, memmove != memcpy on MIPS (memcpy is assembler optimised while memmove is the C version) 23.58.18 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.58.54 # safetydan: hi, what do you think of having bitlib in Lua?