--- Log for 10.06.109 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 7 hours ago 00.00.59 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 00.04.27 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.08.54 Quit mcuelenaere () 00.11.10 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.14.34 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21240): Update Dutch RBUtility translation 00.15.30 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=41585845@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 00.16.52 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 00.24.55 Part toffe82 00.26.07 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@79.97.85.223) 00.28.07 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 00.33.54 # bertrik: did you have a look at clip button driver? else i could do it tonight 00.34.51 # saratoga - (still online?) - here's your wma profile: http://pastebin.com/d39516a44 192kbps (via the standard test_codec wma example file) 00.35.38 # funman, I should be asleep right now, so I won't work on it anymore today/otnight 00.35.42 # again I've kept the mdct_backwards split into the different steps , so slightly different from regular build but that should just be a level of granularity thing, shouldn't affect totals 00.36.26 # the mdct accounts for almost exactly 50% of the ticks spent in wma decode 00.36.54 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 00.38.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.40.54 # Looking at the profile makes me realise how complex vorbis bitstream decode/setup is :( almost everything in wma is presumably inlinable 00.41.01 Quit dfkt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.42.37 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.56 Quit martian67 (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.42.56 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.42.56 Quit Thundercloud (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.42.56 Join Thundercloud_ [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 00.43.17 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.43.17 NJoin martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 00.44.22 # Curiously, tremor basically unchanged after taking out the division in render_line - here's the tremor profile (render_line is inlined so shows as floor1_inverse2). http://pastebin.com/d214b0f00 00.46.49 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 00.47.51 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.48.20 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 00.50.14 Join slyyx [0] (n=slyyx@142.46.8.26) 01.02.26 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.03.15 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@c-76-119-144-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 01.03.32 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.06.06 # * froggyman thinks rockbox needs its own support hotline 01.07.12 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.08.11 Quit ender` (" Please help Conserve Gravity - Play Chess, not Basketball.") 01.11.53 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.11.58 Join Naked [0] (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.12.09 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.15.56 # when reading a keyscan matrix, we must wait a bit after setting the row and before reading the column. but could we wait too long ? and the signal would not mean anything 01.15.57 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.23 Quit Thundercloud_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.51 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 01.19.51 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.20.04 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.20.07 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.20.09 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.20.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.22.03 Join cspotcode [0] (n=cspotcod@pool-162-84-46-20.sal.east.verizon.net) 01.23.22 Quit PaulJam (".") 01.28.06 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat") 01.29.53 Quit jon-kha (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.29.53 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.29.53 Quit Slasheri (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.29.53 Quit rwong (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.24 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.30.24 NJoin jon-kha [0] (i=jon-kha@kahvi.eu.org) 01.30.24 NJoin Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 01.30.24 NJoin rwong [0] (n=ricky@www.roflwaffle.com) 01.33.26 Quit evilnick ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 01.33.27 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.08 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.42.44 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("mibbit.com: beer! sushi!") 01.45.43 Quit cspotcode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.50.06 Quit funman ("leaving") 01.50.08 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 01.50.15 Quit HBK () 01.54.05 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@116.3.199.84) 01.57.56 Quit xnyhps ("Leaving.") 01.58.31 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178095017.adsl.alicedsl.de) 02.04.13 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.04.42 # saratoga - ok, figured it out. looks like gcc is adding instrumentation to inline functions! so we call MULT31_SHIFT15 a bunch of times, the instrumentation gets added at the 'call' and 'return' of that function (which also gets inlined), and the stats get added to the render_line stats count .. sigh 02.04.42 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.05.10 Join kugel_ [0] (i=kugel@e178095017.adsl.alicedsl.de) 02.05.18 # so really we want to tell gcc to not add instrumentation calls for inlined functions. I'm pretty sure it didn't used to do that, maybe that was for an older version of gcc 02.05.19 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.06.55 # If I do that for tremor [and tell gcc to not instrument a bunch of functions, but, manually, using __attribute__((no_instrument_function))] I get a much more sane and more expected profile result. 02.12.57 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.13.44 # stripwax: can you post it? 02.13.51 # saratoga - here. http://pastebin.com/m7ec891ab. mdct_butterflies =20%, decode_packed_block=16.3%, decode_packed_entry_number=9.89%,.. floor1_inverse2 is just 0.5% as you observed. 02.14.27 # Given the number of "calls" to decode_packed_block and decode_packed_entry_number, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those are counting inlined functions as calls to same also. 02.15.11 # looking at the wma results doesn't help too much, since its half MDCT and half the decode function 02.15.42 # i'll have to do it the old fashioned, comment out code and run test_codec 02.16.31 # sigh, yeah, decode_xxx probably picking up bitreverse inline 02.16.36 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.41 # saratoga - aree, wma results not super useful.. 02.16.50 # ^agree 02.17.14 # i bet bitstream and huffman decode takes up much of that time, but its all inlined or preprocessor macros 02.17.18 # Best way to get better profiling is to __attribute__((noinline)) lots of code. I don't know wma codec well enough to know what's worth doing 02.17.25 # oh, well, there you go :) 02.18.03 # i can compute the cost by commenting out loops, counting how many times they run, and then dividing 02.18.40 # only if you still get valid codec behaviour when you comment out the loops..? I can't see that as an easy way to assess huffman decode speed 02.19.14 # good point, that'll probably break for things that touch the bitstream 02.21.38 # its good to know decode_exp_vlc uses no CPU time though 02.22.41 # the loop labeled "/* parse spectral coefficients : just RLE encoding */" is the only place in decode_block that possibly be using much CPU time, so I guess profiling WMA isn't terribly important 02.25.34 # whats funny is almost the entire codec is enclosed in if(channel_coded) blocks, so I guess theres some WMA file out there that needs an MDCT and about 300 lines of parsing code to play 02.26.59 # hey .. we use little-endian arm right? or big? 02.27.13 # little on all targets I think 02.27.33 # at least all supported, i think there was an in progress port at one point that was BE 02.28.17 Join bubsy [0] (n=Bubsy@94.139.72.137) 02.29.07 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]") 02.29.20 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.31.48 # ok, good to know that letoh32 should be a nop on most targets 02.34.33 # we should probably fix the tabs in tremor 02.34.49 # i asked in the vorbis channel and they're apparently not supposed to be there 02.34.56 # so no sense trying to preserve them in our fork 02.35.11 # which tabs? 02.35.33 # codebook.c 02.35.36 # amoung others 02.35.52 # can't say I'd noticed them 02.36.08 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 02.36.24 # i guess you have your editor set to 2 spaces per tab then 02.36.30 # "Any tabs are there only because xiphmont can't figure out how to configure emacs." 02.36.54 # ok, this is finally believable: http://pastebin.com/m5884fce9 02.37.23 # what did you change? 02.38.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.39.15 # as I said - peppering the code with __attribute__((no_instrument_function)) around most of the inline code - _adv_halt, bitrev12, bitreverse, ogg_look, .. 02.39.23 # and all of asm_arm.h too 02.39.46 # so call (and tick) counts don't count calls to inline functions and attribute them to the calling function 02.40.34 # otherwise the resulting code spent more time executing the profiling entry/exitpoint than actually executing the inlined code => crazy stats 02.44.45 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 02.45.05 Nick slyyx is now known as Outside (n=slyyx@142.46.8.26) 02.45.38 Nick Outside is now known as Inside (n=slyyx@142.46.8.26) 02.45.41 Quit Inside (Nick collision from services.) 02.45.53 Join Inside_ [0] (n=slyyx@142.46.8.26) 02.46.03 Nick Inside_ is now known as slyyx (n=slyyx@142.46.8.26) 02.46.57 # any objection to fixing the stupid inconsisten tabulation in tremor's codebook.c? 02.47.11 # its a mix of tabs and spaces, not all of which are the same number of characters 02.49.50 # none from me 02.50.36 # hrm, where is _ilog (with the _ prefix) defined? 02.50.42 # anyway, enough for now, good night! 02.51.54 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0191feb698a32b4c) 02.54.27 # * stripwax curses as he's somehow broken decode on his local build now, was working a second ago 02.57.19 Quit timc ("Leaving") 03.04.16 Quit barrywardell () 03.08.03 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 03.09.29 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.14.24 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.20.42 Join bittin__ [0] (i=bittin@anapnea.net) 03.28.59 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@116.3.199.84) 03.32.58 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 03.35.22 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 03.48.04 Quit froggyman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.50.26 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.12 Join La-Naraja [0] (n=4cf0cadf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3c8ac3b5354c4a6e) 03.53.07 Quit La-Naraja (Client Quit) 03.53.10 Join La-Naraja [0] (n=4cf0cadf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-83b055ffc836d689) 03.53.53 Quit timc (Remote closed the connection) 03.55.44 Join flounder [0] (n=62dc278c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-609a96906c36edf9) 03.55.52 # um, hello? 03.56.01 Quit flounder (Client Quit) 03.56.08 Join webguest54 [0] (n=6382a65f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-02ad96ca6361ff28) 03.57.39 Quit webguest54 (Client Quit) 03.57.40 # Hello! 03.58.20 # flounder! 03.58.27 Join flounder [0] (n=62dc278c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b49d63c445672fd2) 03.58.27 # mis amigo! 03.58.30 Join perezoso [0] (n=6382a65f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9d4bc84fb9c747f1) 03.58.47 # Yo Flounder! 03.58.58 # Yo Perezoso! 03.59.08 # ? 03.59.23 # do i win? 03.59.28 # Yes! 03.59.36 # 10000 euros! 03.59.54 # Is this leading up to something to do with Rockbox? 04.00.04 # rockbox is great, Isnt it? 04.00.05 # como estas puta? 04.00.07 # hola 04.00.10 # no me gusta.... 04.00.16 # me gusta facebook 04.00.27 # tu es eestupido! 04.00.34 # es grande! 04.00.59 # stop w/ the spainglish 04.01.05 # we is not in scool any mor 04.01.12 # im too lazy to remember 04.01.19 # it's big? 04.01.19 # Rockbox es grande, dos!! 04.01.34 # Oh! 04.01.42 # i 4 got! 04.02.00 # Please don't spam this channel. It is logged, and we don't want people to have to scroll through your spam. Try #rockbox-community 04.02.26 # did u get the summer reading? @cool_walking, Go Away! 04.02.35 # uhm... grande is bid bandejo 04.02.39 # um, Laex, do u know wut this cool walking guy is talkin about? 04.02.44 # i is confuzzled 04.02.56 # Just ignore him! 04.03.01 # and this pretzle guy? 04.03.13 # wtf? dude i hav no idea what your talking about alex... 04.03.23 # Hi! 04.03.56 # the pretzle guy is Arron Viskant! 04.04.06 # Fish guy is Stuart Wilson! 04.04.13 # i dont know this Arron Pretzle4! 04.04.18 # scorche, Bagder, Llorean: wake up. 04.04.41 # hello Arron! Do i know u from anywhere??? 04.04.41 # Shoot! Its the police! 04.04.46 # FHS 04.04.48 # perezoso means lazy idoit 04.04.54 # he goes to our school! 04.05.01 # i got the lazy part.. 04.05.06 # stuart... I've heard of u but i don't think I've met u 04.05.21 # hmm, im Stuart Wilson. did i have u in any of my classes ever? 04.05.39 # Aaron is in Marching Band! 04.05.43 # saratoga, JdGordon, pixelma, GodEater? Any mods awake? 04.05.43 # maybe... 04.05.51 # haha, get tht a lot, well more like people know me, but i swear iv nvr met them B4 04.05.59 # well cool, now i know u 04.06.01 # ish 04.06.10 # Cool_Walking_, Please go away? 04.06.29 # Aww, Making friends on Rockbok IRC! 04.06.54 # Please read topic. Off topic (i.e. not about Rockbox) chat belongs on another channel. 04.07.09 # Rockbox is great! 04.07.15 # lol wow man, don't be a kill joy 04.07.36 # I'm just being a move-joy. get the hell in another channel. 04.07.42 # Flounder and Perezoso, Say rockbox is great to get riid of the vermin! 04.08.08 # Alex, why are you the orange? 04.08.13 # lol XPPPPP uhm actually I like aim, facebook and other things... 04.08.16 # but this works 04.08.28 # This is WAY more fun! 04.08.46 # y? it's just an anon chat with a fancy title 04.08.54 # this is an on-topic channel. please take off-topic chatter elsewhere 04.09.00 # The orange is simmilar to EsotericWisp, my previous name! 04.09.33 # We need to invite more people! 04.09.36 # sigh... what is the topic? 04.09.57 # La-Naraja, flounder, perezoso, this channel is a logged development and support channel. take your chatter somewhere else. it's not appropriate here. 04.10.19 # Seriously though, What is the topic? 04.10.30 # that's great 04.10.35 # answer the question 04.10.44 # read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines 04.10.47 # what IS the topic 04.10.53 # woo perezoso! 04.11.00 # what's the topic I don't give a fuck about guide lines 04.11.00 # we will talk about it if ud simply tell us wut it is!!! 04.11.11 # Woo flounder! 04.11.14 # noppe, WAAAAYYYY too lazy to read somthin from a link 04.11.36 # Can you cut and paste it? 04.11.48 Mode "#rockbox +o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 04.12.00 # Okay, one warning from me. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.57.53 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 07.04.56 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad8dbba9f3162012) 07.14.31 Quit martian67 (Remote closed the connection) 07.24.39 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.25.46 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 07.39.39 # amiconn: am i right in thinking that ldrsh exists since at least arm v4 and provides a sign-extended load of a 16-bit value? i'm trying to get gcc to do a reasonable job on the IDCT functions in jpeg_load.c with a 16-bit workspace, and some values it loads with ldrsh and uses as-is, and for others, seemingly at random, it adds sign-extension instructions, usually mov r0, r0, lsl #16; mov r0, r0, asr #16, or uxth if it's available :/ 07.41.06 # ideally, i'd like it to use shift/add sequences when those make sense, and native multiply when that does. it can't get this right with a 32-bit or 16-bit workspace array, and of course on the 32-bit array there's no way to tell it that values are already sign-extended 16-bit. :/ 07.42.04 Quit martian67 (Remote closed the connection) 07.49.00 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 07.52.37 Quit AndyI (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.53.18 Part BUMBACL0T 07.53.20 Join AndyI [0] (i=AndyI@212.14.205.32) 07.56.42 Quit HBK () 08.01.29 # Unhelpful: yes 08.01.38 # * amiconn hands Unhelpful a copy of arm_DDI0100I.pdf 08.03.47 Part ch4os 08.04.26 # any idea why gcc would use ldrh, and then later throw in sign-extension? i can't really figure out how to get it *not* to do so, though i'm not entirely sure that i want to. it certainly doesn't *look* smart. 08.06.31 # Well it's gcc, what do you expect? ;\ 08.06.42 # ...especially weird, i'm pretty sure at least one of these uxth instructions is completely pointless, as it's the sum of two products that have been calculated with smulbb 08.07.13 # so, basically, fixing it will mean hand asm, or else taking the gcc asm and cleaning it up. :/ 08.07.51 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 08.07.54 # Why is that instruction pointless? 08.09.44 # amiconn: isn't that 16x16->32 multiplication? it's also just *done* an asr 11 on the value, which would only work properly at all if it's already 32-bit signed. and then it sign-extends it... 08.11.41 # i did look at our datasheets page for an ARM programming manual, but only found http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/um_s3c2440a_rev10.pdf 08.11.48 # Yes it is, meaning the result can exceed the range of a 16 bit value. Adding another such value won't change that, and neither will an asr 11 (32-11=21) 08.11.58 # Also, uxth is unsigned 08.14.32 # hrm... so i see, the shift it's using in that particular case is lsl, lsr on another arm version. that makes even less sense, nothing in that function is unsigned :/ 08.15.01 # http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp Click ARM architecture -> ARMv5 Architecture Reference Manual 08.15.21 # you're right, though, thinking about it *gcc* can't know that the asr 11 will always have a 16-bit result (though i do) 08.15.21 # There's a link to the PDF; you need to accept an eula in order to download it 08.15.45 # hence its non-presence on our datasheets page :/ 08.19.02 # i suppose if i want the generated code to express things that i am unable to tell gcc about i'll need to edit it myself ;/ 08.19.33 # There's a reason why the mpeg2 idct is coded in asm for coldfire and arm... 08.19.45 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD8A0.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.20.07 # (speaking about it - I should probably finish my new version for armv5 and higher) 08.27.06 # it would seem that the major changes to make here are to do the sign extension on load, and to skip any explicit sign extension of results that i know to be 16-bit values. the 8-point version gets a bit uglier, because it does enough work to need to spill some constants to the stack :/ 08.28.40 Quit grndslm ("Leaving") 08.31.12 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host46-210-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.32.43 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.37.08 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 08.37.27 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 08.37.53 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.38.20 Join raquatrac [0] (n=raquatra@ANice-152-1-71-70.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.38.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.49.38 # cool_walking_: for future reference, I have no powers in here - only in -community. 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I guess one option is also to get freenode staffers' attention (although I don't know if that was tried). But I agree that there could be a few more ops around. 09.55.13 # hrm, a hand-coded ARMv5 version could also the t/b flags to SMULxy to load two of its constants at once 09.55.15 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.55.49 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 09.56.11 # * scorche was cleaning =/ 09.56.51 # also, freenode staff wouldnt do anything, as they are not on the access list of this channel 09.57.13 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 09.58.01 Join gartral [0] (n=Gartral@75.33.78.34) 09.58.48 # or logbot gets op rights again. 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16.08.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 16.10.54 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 16.23.59 # linuxstb: I've updated the IpodPatcher wiki page explaining the four different ways Rockbox can be installed, the advantages/disadvantages of each, and a warning that it's your own fault if you screw it up. Does it look ok? 16.24.14 # or anyone else that knows about ipods, for that matter 16.26.45 # * GodEater goes to look 16.27.07 # Torne: The statement "Rockbox boots over 2 seconds faster" may not be true for all ipods. I would simply say "Rockbox boots faster (e.g. X seconds compared to Y seconds on ipod XXX)" 16.27.16 # ..that's very true 16.27.24 # ok, i'll amend the timing statements to clarify 16.27.39 # the relative timings should be at least in the same order for all of them 16.27.48 # Torne: Also, does the bootloader now look in .rockbox for apple_os.ipod? I thought it just looked in the root. 16.27.54 # it looks in both 16.27.56 # it always has 16.28.03 # i think. 16.28.07 # mine's in .rockbox anyway :) 16.28.08 # * Torne checks 16.28.35 # I'm almost certain it never used to. That may of course have been changed. 16.29.04 # yah, i'm checking if i changed it, or if it was the case before my diff 16.29.04 # But that's a nicer location anyway, so if it works, that's fine. 16.29.30 # it looks in both even before my change 16.29.42 # it may not have done at some earlier point 16.29.51 # but it uses the same load_firmware function as rockbox.ipod which checks both. 16.30.32 # Ah, OK. Then it was probably an unintentional change in behaviour ;) 16.31.48 # since the mists of time, it seems 16.31.57 # it's commented as "eitehr in .rockbox or the root" quite a long way back 16.32.06 # anyway, that's ok then 16.32.26 # Using plugins/codecs from a more recent version of Rockbox shouldn't cause crashes, just "incompatible version" error messages. 16.32.31 # aha 16.32.40 # Torne: Yes, it seems it's just my buggy memory. 16.32.40 # i'll just say "problems" 16.33.05 # Or say that the Rockbox version may be incompatible with the plugins and codecs from the more recent version. 16.35.09 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 16.35.42 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@74.0.180.178) 16.37.16 # ok, updated references to "faster" to be in relative terms, with the measurements from my ipod bracketed 16.37.39 # and changed that text to "may cause compatibility problems with the files in .rockbox" 16.38.33 # GodEater: does it make sense to you as well? 16.38.42 # yep reads fine to me 16.39.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.39.28 # at least it's documented *soemwhere* now then :) 16.40.00 # but not somewhere where people will randomly stumble across it who are unlikely to know what they're doing 16.41.34 # unrelated question: would it be mad for me to try and write a screen->screen blit function for pluginlib? similar to the scrolling functions that are there? 16.41.49 # (that code is ifdef'ed to the point of Serious Scariness) 16.42.35 # the more of the frotz output code i port the more apparent it becomes that keeping track of waht's been printed and reprinting it is a huge pain in the butt that will use quite a bit of memory 16.42.46 # and the only reasno to do that is to support scrolling, there's no need for it to ever read the data back otehrwise 16.42.55 # so blitting it across the framebuffer would be 'nicer'. :) 16.44.24 Quit fyrestorm ("lamers envy me like they envy bill g -- main boot xp, just the way it should be!") 16.44.52 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-178.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.46.29 # are there any responsible for the rbutility 16.48.23 # * rasher points pixelma towards FS#10305 16.49.36 # notlistening: it's better just to ask your question 16.50.45 # right i have written the first verions of the SAPI cli for the utility and wanted adivise from those that work on the utility wha tto do with it 16.51.11 # submit a patch to Flyspray ideally 16.52.15 # right can you add attatchments on those? 16.52.32 # :P silly questions ;) 16.53.08 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.45 # rasher: thanks, but someone should remind him of a full real name (and I probably won't use it unaltered) 16.55.45 # hmm... I somehow think "Absolute Point" doesn't sound very descriptive in English already 16.55.56 # New commit by 03rasher (r21241): Translation updates: ... 16.56.07 # pixelma: It means nothing to me 16.59.32 # Torne: The scrolling actually isn't very difficult; the ifdefing is just due to the various framebuffer formats 17.00.15 # yes, i've had a look 17.00.22 # the problem i have is i need to scroll only part of the screen 17.00.35 # usual case would be "all but the top N lines" 17.00.42 # but it might also be arbitrary rectangular regions :) 17.01.06 # i could do it for my 16bit lcd on my player quite easily but i dunno that i could do the versions for all the weird packed lcds.. 17.01.51 # evilnick_7: it's one of the two touchscreen modes (for the controls) - you either have a 3x3 grid of the screen where each part serves as a button , or (in the other mode) I guess you point directly on the menu entry. Just in case you have a better suggestion... but maybe it's not very good to change it now 17.02.21 # Yeah, I'd rather we didn't. It's not used on release targets anyway 17.02.25 # there won't be any touchscreen targets in the release anyways 17.03.09 # Oh, and the bitshift stuff is asm optimised for SH1 and coldfire. 17.03.15 # yeah 17.03.27 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.49 # anyway, if i did write a generic "blit rectangular region" function for pluginlib for the ones i can figure out, would someone have a look at it and maybe imlpement it for the lcd models i can't figure out? :) 17.04.12 # Partial scroll is somewhat complex for packed pixel formats, as some bytes of a bit needs to be shifted and the others need to be kept 17.04.14 # But it's doable 17.04.41 # yeah, i can see where taht would suck :) 17.05.03 # xlcd_scroll_rect_*() 17.05.26 # i'm wondering if you want scroll_rect or just a generic blit for rectangular regions 17.05.34 # i'm not sure if a generic blit is actually more effort or not 17.05.35 # *bits of a byte, of course 17.05.36 # pixelma: So, in context, it is understandable (as being the opposing option to the grid system) but if/when there's a touchscreen target for release it should be changed (imho) 17.05.43 # it's not for non-packed formats 17.05.47 # but it might be for packed? not sure 17.06.15 # Torne: IIRC a generic blit would also help in porting http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ 17.06.32 # yes, that'd be nice :) 17.06.34 # those puzzles rock 17.06.34 # Generic blit in what way? 17.06.46 # amiconn: copy a rectangular region to any other rectangular region 17.06.50 # If source and dest don't overlap, you can already do this 17.06.50 # framebuffer->framebufer 17.06.53 # rather than just scroll 17.07.02 # which implies movement on just one axis 17.07.14 # you can? 17.07.32 # well obviosuly it's *possible*. but is there a function for it that takes the framebuffer formats into account? 17.07.39 # evilnick_7: if we can find something better, it can be changed after the release I think 17.07.56 # lcd_bitmap_part() with the framebuffer as the source as well 17.08.29 # Rockbox bitmaps are in framebuffer format, so this should work. Results are of course undefined if source & dest overlap 17.08.38 # ah :) 17.08.42 # yeah, i see 17.08.44 # didn't think of that 17.08.57 # but yeah, it's not sufficient for my case as i am scrolling text 17.09.03 # so there is going to be mostly overlap 17.09.35 # Yeah, and overlap needs to take direction into account, to decide whether to copy forwards or backwards 17.09.57 # A generic blit would be more complex than dedicated scroll functiuons 17.10.22 # for packed formats, anyway 17.10.30 Quit antil33t () 17.10.35 # for 16bit it's all trivial :) 17.11.08 # what i mean is would there be a worthwhile performance advantage to having dedicated scroll functions 17.11.47 # s'all a tradeoff between what i can manage to do and peformance, i guess 17.14.35 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21242): Fix ZenUtils compilation 17.23.42 # New commit by 03rasher (r21243): Fix a few syntax issues in Lithuanian translation, and change A to POWER for a Gigabeat F string. Do the same in the Russian translation (using the ... 17.25.50 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.33.25 Quit kachna (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.26 Join evilnick_230 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ca6675501dbfbfa5) 17.39.31 # domonoky, hey got the very first version of the SAPI cli for ya, should i post against the bug of flyspray or would you like a different way to test it? 17.40.27 # posting it on flyspray would be good. But i wont have time to try it, till next week. 17.40.44 # and better make a new task in flyspray. 17.40.59 # no worries it will keep 17.41.07 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 17.41.32 # i am onto the next version of it for performance issues under wine so i will work ahead on it 17.42.44 # if you want it, do you want the code and tools needed to wrap it on the rockbox svn? 17.43.42 Quit timc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.45.12 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 17.46.24 Join daurnimator [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 17.46.30 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@116.3.11.244) 18.00.01 # notlistening: yes, everything needed to build it (without exes or downloadable libs) 18.01.22 # okay it uses some exes to wrap it are they allowed 18.04.14 # again no worries i understood what you said again, and a wiki page on how to wrap it, where to download the tools etc incase i get hot by a bus? 18.23.00 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.26 # a wiki page would also be good. 18.28.37 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 18.28.41 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178096222.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.29.39 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.29.52 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-832d7af2eaf9fc21) 18.30.40 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 18.30.46 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178101152.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.31.30 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.34.54 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3098.gwdg.de) 18.38.30 # domonoky, right it is on flyspray 18.39.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.39.16 # domonoky, I will write a wiki when I get the nod from you that it is what you want 18.39.40 # i will take a look.. 18.41.28 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.43.54 # sapi-spk.exe -e gives some nice error output :-) 18.44.42 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.45.20 # and i miss a option to poll all available voices, and to set the language. I guess -e sets the used voice ? 18.45.42 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 18.47.20 # generating a .wav file works ! :-) 18.48.37 # stripwax: if bored, profile results for AAC would be interesting, since its the slowest of the MDCT codecs 18.48.50 # also i dont know if we can give unicode text to this tool via commandline. (dont know if you can give unicode text as parameters. 18.49.00 # though its got so many small function calls it may take some work to get meaningful profiles out of it 18.49.17 # notlistening: the other important thing is the question about licence .. :-) 18.49.39 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.50.05 # -e ? 18.50.40 # lol i have not 100% proofed it yet 18.51.32 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 18.52.24 # oh yeah well release it for windows and that fine, as is with rockbox a unser uses it under linux at their own discretion 18.53.13 # you can give unicode to it from my experience 18.53.57 # with licence, i meant how the tool is licenced. GPL ? does it use any other tools internally whith different licences ? 18.54.12 # but that is running in ubuntu with wine 18.54.38 # right i will have to check that for you 18.54.49 # it is using tcl 18.55.02 # tclkit is the engine 18.57.11 # http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/license.html 18.57.21 # tckkit is probably no problem. it has a very free licence (BSD/MIT) 18.58.19 # umm and it also uses tcom as an extension 19.00.23 # let me check the source of that to see if he has included any licensing info 19.00.46 # it has, and it is fine :-) 19.01.32 # so with some extensions, its perfectly possible to use this tool in rbutil instead of the vb script. 19.01.33 # first majour issues out the way :D 19.01.46 # your call 19.01.54 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-197-195.A213.corp.bahnhof.se) 19.02.29 # i just wana use Linux for sapi :D 19.02.44 # :-) 19.03.41 # Should try to mod rbutil 19.03.46 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.04.51 # * I try? 19.05.05 # notlistening: feel free to try it. using it as extra exe without using all the options should be very easy. 19.05.30 # only 2-3 extra lines in tts.cpp (TtsExes ) needed. 19.06.01 # cool, do it with static options for now 19.07.29 # at the moment the performane at lease under linuc is slow because of wine wrapping it but as i have not even run it under windows yet i will waitand ee under win 19.07.30 # just add it to the list at top of tts.cpp and add a template string at ~ line 104 19.08.10 # domonoky, now your making it too easy for me :D thank you very much 19.08.20 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 19.09.29 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-99-182-52-92.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 19.09.56 Join BryanJacobs [0] (n=braujac@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-24-158.wireless.rochester.edu) 19.11.16 # if i wanted to get involved with accessibility on rockbox who is best to contact, I am registered blind and can give a little bit of insight into things 19.13.09 # domonoky, if you were possibly going to provide an alternative to the current frontend of rbutil would that be a huge amount of work for someone? 19.13.31 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 19.14.04 Quit AndyI (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.14.44 # notlistening: yes its probably much work. but it gets better, as we try to better seperate logic from the gui. 19.15.14 # New commit by 03kugel (r21244): Fix FS#10101 and FS#8999. Buffering was stopped prematurely if a manual track skip occured in between, leaving the CPU boosted, because ... 19.15.24 # such a new frontend, would also have to use Qt for the backend (as thats deeply builtin) but could use another toolkit for the gui. 19.16.13 # notlistening: about getting involved. feel free to ask here or on mailing list. people are happy to help :-) 19.17.30 # it would be very good if we get some blind developers. :-) 19.18.03 # I will go for the mailing list as i keep track of that at the moment thanks again I will report what i can on the rbutil work when i get chance 19.18.53 # sure. have fun ! :-) 19.19.00 # you got one and my aim is to make this brilliant project accessible to as many as possible but so much of the HW stuff goes over my head so i started small :D 19.20.00 # the accessibility of the project pulled me in initially then the fascination with how shit hot some of the developers are 19.20.44 # anyways i will stop hogging the channel :D 19.22.13 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.22.45 # do we alrady have a ReleaseNotes34 page? 19.23.43 # 33* 19.24.29 # kugel: I don't think we do. Want to write one up? 19.24.55 # I created one now, but I mostly c&p from ReleaseNotes32 19.25.42 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 19.29.49 # what about HID btw? 19.32.19 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.37.01 Quit AndyIL () 19.40.48 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.42.10 # What about HID? 19.42.29 # Would it be included in 3.3? 19.42.52 # I don't see any reason why not. 19.43.27 # At least within my personal testing, it works perfectly. I may not have all the facts, of course, but the only complaints I personally have about it are some slight keymapping issues and such, and those shouldn't really stop it from being part of the release. 19.43.56 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21245): Onda VX747: support FAT16 19.44.33 # Yeah, it works fine for me. The only possible issue (as you point out) is that the scrollwheel on my e280 controls the *master* volume on my laptop, not the volume control for the application playing the music (foobar2000) but I'm... 19.45.32 Quit dmb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.59 # ...not sure if that is due to my OS or foobar2000. Or some other factor I haven't considered. 19.46.14 # That's due to foobar2000 19.46.32 # The wheel on my iPod controls the master volume, or the volume in MediaPlayerClassic, depending on where focus is at the time. 19.46.55 # I think "select" as "mute" is a little unexpected, but that's not really a release issue. 19.47.36 # "mute" within the application or muted main volume? 19.47.51 # LambdaCalculus37: done, did a bit less of C&P and more of writing something up than expected :) 19.48.16 # evilnick_7: I'm pretty sure that also depends on focus, but haven't tested. 19.48.30 # Well, focus, and whether the application recognizes the existence of media keys 19.49.31 # Is there any help I can offer for testing this feature out? 19.50.37 # For hid, we should at least remove all the entries in the debug menus, or colapps them into a HID menu, or disable the debug menu altogether (combinations possible), IMO 19.50.50 Quit solexx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.51.37 # evilnick_230, Llorean: My multimedia keyboard controls the master volume too, I thought that was a HID limitation 19.51.59 # with WMP, both wmp and master volume changed AFAIR 19.52.10 # * kugel didn't use wmp in a long time 19.53.20 # kugel: It depends on the application. If the application knows about the keys, it can prevent the master volume from changing. My keyboard's volume key and the Nano both work this way with MediaPlayerClassic for me. 19.54.23 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 19.54.47 # * evilnick_7 is impressed that this works without requiring admin access on Windows 19.54.58 # Was album art scaling added alongside JPEG AA support? 19.55.12 # Before, IIRC 19.55.29 # But after 3.2 was released. 19.55.33 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@e176126196.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.55.50 # Or was that before? 19.55.59 # wasn't it before? 19.56.15 # I seem to remember scaling going in near 3.1 19.56.41 # Major changes in version 3.1: 2008-12-09: Album art resizing. 19.57.01 # Just over 6 months ago! 19.59.50 Join midgey|w [0] (i=836b0048@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dd0ac6260a240055) 20.02.47 # weird, I have no problems only controlling the foobar2000 volume with my c200 20.03.21 # (tested on 2 computers) 20.04.49 # hmm... well I didn't watch the master volume - just that it changed the volume slider in foobar 20.06.49 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85-169-201-135.rev.numericable.fr) 20.08.17 Quit AlexP (Remote closed the connection) 20.08.39 # the statement holds true though - no changes in master volume here, just in the application 20.09.13 Join dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 20.10.04 Join AlexP [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.13.44 # also independent of focus 20.14.23 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@79.97.85.223) 20.18.09 Quit AlexP (Remote closed the connection) 20.18.56 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-163-22.cust.bredband2.com) 20.19.00 # pixelma: Which OS are you running? 20.19.18 Join AlexP [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.19.38 # XP (already wondered whether I should state that with it) 20.19.48 # Changing the master volume would need to be set as a hotkey for the windows mixer 20.20.26 # pixelma: Would Home vs. Pro make a difference? (I don't know) 20.20.39 # could there be a difference if someone already has a multimedia keyboard? Mine aren't 20.21.25 # (maybe what amiconn said is already set up for those) 20.21.42 # evilnick_7: Pro here 20.23.45 # I'm running Win7 RC and have the same issues with the master volume being affected, not the application volume 20.24.42 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 20.26.28 # does your keyboard already have multimedia keys? 20.27.29 # It (laptop) has multimedia keys but they're separate from the keyboard 20.28.08 Join animatorgeek [0] (n=42d1662a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-1320690e09f8c09e) 20.28.17 Quit freqmod (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.28.28 # Is there anyone here who can give me wiki edit access? 20.29.10 # evilnick_230: hmm... I could try on a PC with a multimedia keyboard on Friday, I could imagine that it makes the difference 20.29.14 # I'd like to add my results to the CFMod and RTCmod pages 20.29.24 # animatorgeek: what's your wiki name? 20.29.31 # DavidAJohnston 20.29.52 Join kachna [0] (n=kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz) 20.31.32 # pixelma: Just tried another WinXP Pro SP2 machine without a multimedia keyboard and using WMP only the main volume is affected. 20.32.10 # Additionally, select mutes/unmutes but turning the wheel (e280) moves focus to the volume slider but doesn't increase or decrease the volume 20.34.31 # pixelma: are you able to give me edit access? 20.34.50 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.35.02 # animatorgeek: yes, done 20.35.30 # promise not to spam :) 20.35.42 # Thank you, I won't :) 20.36.53 # evilnick_230: on first try I had a similiar effect with mute on foobar too but setting it up again (or something else I did) helped. Thought it was something I did wrong 20.37.36 # You reinstalled foobar? 20.38.53 Quit animatorgeek ("CGI:IRC") 20.39.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.39.31 # nah, just deleted the keyboard shortcut for mute and recreated it 20.40.10 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=pyro@91-64-227-210-dynip.superkabel.de) 20.44.28 Join petur [0] (n=peter@d54C6F58E.access.telenet.be) 20.52.49 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-197-195.A213.corp.bahnhof.se) 20.55.12 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3030.gwdg.de) 21.00.08 Part raquatrac 21.02.05 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0070@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fa15b0467f64dd94) 21.02.48 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 21.08.10 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 21.10.47 # by the way, I thought you should add new users to the twiki user list in alphabetical order? I was just wondering why some were just appended to the end 21.11.40 # hm, probably someone didn't realise 21.11.42 # I always spent ages getting it alphabetical! :) 21.12.00 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B44E52.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.14.02 # I put the 4 or so new ones into their place, which is why it took longer. And I was interested now if I didn't misunderstand... (maybe it also helps clearing things up for someone reading the logs) 21.18.19 Quit pixelma (".") 21.26.57 Quit froggyman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.49 # hmm, seems my new wiki page name is a bit off of the usual naming 21.33.29 Join pixelma [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.36.04 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 21.36.07 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 21.36.09 Join pixelma [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.38.27 Quit midgey|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.40.52 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 21.41.44 # whats the argument against putting the AMS frequency presets in SVN? 21.41.57 # personally I think they would be very useful for testing, current measurements, etc 21.43.40 # saratoga: why do we need 'presets' ? 21.44.21 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@e176102092.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.44.51 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 21.45.40 # funman: so people like me who want to do measurements can change things without having to ask someone to make me a patch to do it 21.46.59 # saratoga: individual frequencies can be changed already, it is simple enough to figure without a patch 21.47.42 # funman: I find it an easier and more reliable way to change things around. If we have determined the "best" config then there's really no need but I have still been playing around 21.48.41 # i'm thinking of the PP situation where many years later we're still occasionally tweaking the clock settings, long after some of the people who wrote the code lost interest 21.48.46 # having the presets in is handy 21.49.48 # why those specific presets and not other frequencies then ? 21.50.01 # I think it's most important to have good comments and the least amount of "magic" values 21.50.15 Quit solexx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.51.31 # No particular reason besides those seemed to be what people were talking about. It's just a set of pre-tested values not relying on the "magic" as bertrik puts it which sometimes doesn't work correctly 21.51.37 # the current file could benefit some cosmetics (alignement, 80 columns limit) 21.52.59 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.53.20 # funman, I got my raio working but posted a bug report on what seemed to happen, the OF was to blame and it still does not work on RB but sure it will :) 21.54.06 # FlynDice: i think we should rather make clear why we use these frequencies 21.54.49 # FlynDice, can you do some other tests to see if you can make the radio work? 21.55.55 # bertrik: do you have something in mind or do you want me to use my"throw the garbage at it and see what sticks" method..;) 21.56.39 # I was thinking of increasing some other delays related to radio 21.57.43 # FlynDice: about the "248/62 synchronous bus" setting you used in your battery bench on the forum, is it in fs#10308 ? 21.57.50 # e.g. line 300 in firmware/driver/tuner/si4700.c 21.58.37 # I tried lots of fm_delay values with no luck and other than that I would need some "coaching" 21.59.03 # bertrik: sleep() should take the same time despite clock freqs changes, so how could have r21088 broken it ? 21.59.14 # s/broken/changed/ 21.59.31 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.00.12 # FlynDice, could you increase the delay on line 300 (e.g. 3 times larger) in si4700.c? 22.00.39 # funman: the 248/62 battery bench was svn with the final FS#10048 which defaulted to 248/62/62 22.01.30 # so is the blue line unmodified SVN ? 22.01.47 # bertrik: I will give that a try but I have to go right now. I'll post results in the logs 22.01.49 # another thing to try is to add a iface->delay_thigh() after iface->scl_output() at the end of firmware/drivers/generic_i2c.c 22.02.59 Join midgey|w [0] (i=836b0056@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-09d6d3235f63727f) 22.03.28 # funman: the blue line should be the same as SVN just after FS#10048 was applied 22.03.53 # i thought it was with a patch :o 22.03.54 Join |mr [0] (n=lymeca@c-76-24-213-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 22.04.35 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 22.05.04 # I actually started it with kugel's lcd fifo patch and had to remove that and start all over so I was consistent ;) 22.05.07 # * JdGordon| is surprised to see 10101 being closed/commited 22.05.57 # late already gotta go 22.10.25 Quit wark (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.10.45 Join Sajber^1 [0] (n=Sajber@h-143-12.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 22.10.48 Join r0b- [0] (n=nnscript@adsl-76-236-182-214.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 22.17.07 Quit pyro_maniac ("Leaving.") 22.18.01 Join p3tur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.18.09 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180069016.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.18.32 Quit p3tur (Remote closed the connection) 22.27.20 # funman, your fsr/far patch looks nice 22.27.48 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.28.38 # hm, when i stop and resume now, it resumes the wrong playlist 22.30.07 # opened a directory, then went to another and used the 'play next' option, pressed next, which removed the first track as it should, then held play to stop, pressed play again, and it resumed with the removed first track from the prev dir 22.30.44 # bertrik: it mostly needs checking each supported targets for MMU/MPU 22.35.37 # did anyone test fs#10309 ? storage has been reliable on my Fuze, but i'd like wider testing to make sure it fixes the 'random-looking' problems 22.35.56 # i couldn't reproduce it though 22.36.05 # funman: hold on while i read :p 22.36.47 # any specific way to test? 22.37.32 # yes, patch & use, svn up, patch & use, svn up, patch & use 22.38.04 # yes. but i'm not quite sure in difference i should notice 22.38.11 # funman, I applied it to my 1 GB clip with no ill effects so far (but not really thoroughly tested either) 22.38.50 Part Grahack 22.39.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.39.38 # FrankTM: just look for crashes (plugin won't load, music will stop after 1 second, rockbox won't boot) 22.40.34 # well. nothing like that without those patches :P 22.43.11 # Mikachu: I can't follow your recipe description btw. (maybe a bit too shortened), I know though that e.g. Llorean reported problems with resuming a playlist with tracks added through "insert shuffled" (and I saw that once too, but didn't try to reproduce yet) 22.43.50 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 22.51.04 # pixelma: yeah i'm not sure if i did exactly what i think i did either :) 22.51.31 # the error persisted even after i explicitly removed the first track and stopped and resumed though 22.59.42 Part BryanJacobs ("Leaving.") 23.01.48 Quit blithe (Remote closed the connection) 23.01.51 Join alx__909 [0] (n=alx@p54B35485.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.02.04 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 23.02.24 # hey there! i did a search on the website but couldnt find anything.. 23.02.51 # is Rating songs going to be implemented into rockbox? 23.03.55 # you can already rate songs in Rockbox but it will only be used within its own database 23.04.50 # ooh nice to hear 23.05.29 # but there certainly must be a way of synching these tags with my local collection ;D 23.05.52 # do you know anybody who has this up and running? 23.06.31 # *sorry not syncing tags but syncing ratings* 23.07.30 # no 23.08.30 Join webguest63 [0] (n=412bd95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-378b4e0fcbda3b14) 23.08.33 # I don't know anyone. Thought there were some database related scripts somewhere in the forums though but don't know what those did (and what they didn't) 23.08.37 # I think that there may be a script for MediaMonkey that does this 23.09.00 # rockbox database keeps trippling entries, its says I have 5 of one song 23.09.51 # Is there a way to not have it do that when it is making a database. 23.09.52 # ? 23.09.55 # webguest63: Try running the disktidy plugin (set to ALL) and then Initialize the database 23.10.15 # ok 23.10.27 # webguest63: most often this is caused by some sort of hidden trash directory that your computer's operating system so it doesnt necessarily "delete" the file 23.10.47 # Initialize Database will remove what's already there so Export the modifications if you've been rating songs, or using playcounts 23.10.52 # evilnick_230 too bad, i am on amarok 1.4 ... i'd try mediamonkey if it weren't windows only^^ 23.11.14 # wine miedamonkey.exe 23.11.51 # alx__909: The issue is that Rockbox is open-source so any music management program *could* sync up with it, but they don't seem to want to. 23.11.55 # it's not only related to trashes because i experiment the same thing without deleting songs 23.12.22 # i believe it's caused by updating the database, which will pick up songs already in it 23.12.32 # bu, I havent delted song I just instad rockbox and it just has doubles 23.13.09 # evilnick_230: the thing is, i am thinking about buying some sort of ipod or whatever (i currently use 1gb flash thingy) but only if i know for sure that i will be able to sync rating and playcount with my amarok database... you are saying that its not impossible right? 23.13.32 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.13.44 # webguest63: the method to get there varies depending on which device you have, but try going to the context menu and "view track info"...then you can see the actual path/location of the file and see wher each duplicate entries point to 23.14.01 # alx__909: It's definitely not impossible, but the onus is on the coders of the management software to support the Rockbox database structure - syncing to it etc. 23.14.23 # s/management/music management/ 23.15.45 # argh, then chances are low that i get what i want... amarok ppl have abandoned 1.4 =( 23.15.53 # scorche: It is the same file with double entries in the database 23.16.12 # its isnt a new file or a diffrent flie its ther same file, I botted under the Apple os and there arent any doubles 23.16.51 # nd now it is stuck cleaning the boot folder 23.16.54 # webguest63: Could you take care to spell words correctly? It makes deciphering your replies quite tricky 23.17.15 # Im sorry, I am legally blind I cant see the keyborad 23.17.24 # I go off of memory and braille 23.18.16 # webguest63: the Apple OS uses its own database 23.18.19 # evilnick_230 so if i want sync of rating/playcount really bad i'll have to stick to ipods original firmware (which is well integrated with lots of players i suppose) right? 23.18.29 # if deleted files end up in some trash folders I don't think the Apple firmware would be able to find them, so that's not a good indicator 23.18.30 # webguest63: Then you can understand that for other users who rely on screenreading software it's an issue. Maybe just get it read back to you before hitting Enter? 23.18.53 Join froggyman [0] (n=Froggyma@pool-71-186-6-182.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.19.14 # alx__909: Either that or use some scripting-fu and code it yourself. I would honestly not be able to use the iPod OF without wanting to break things very soon after :) 23.19.28 # That sounded very prejudice :/ 23.20.11 # webguest63: I meant get your screenreading software to read your reply before hitting enter. 23.21.40 # Anyway, So is there a way that I van edit the database so that the doubles go away, its says I have 4,000 songs when I only have 346 23.22.42 # There is no way that I know of to directly edit the database. But if you want to recreate it from scratch then Initialise it, as I said. 23.23.30 # I did that and they are still there. 23.23.35 # It didnt changeany of it 23.23.40 # * chngeany 23.23.43 # fff 23.24.16 # webguest63: try deleting database*.tcd and initializing again 23.28.16 # ok done 23.28.21 Quit merbanan (Remote closed the connection) 23.28.22 # I am turing on the ipod nano now. 23.28.31 # ok done 23.28.49 # did you try running the Disktidy plugin before (unfortunately plugins aren't voiced currently)? 23.31.47 # * pixelma looks into midgey|w's direction 23.32.16 Quit bmbl ("Woah!") 23.33.37 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.35.42 Join webguest09 [0] (n=412bd95a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-b321d9ce075fae63) 23.35.55 # hi 23.36.04 # I was web 63 23.36.13 # welcome back :) 23.36.38 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 23.36.43 # it now says I have 6,895 songs 23.38.06 Quit alx__909 ("Verlassend") 23.38.25 # delete the database*.tcd files over usb from the OF 23.38.38 # That's very strange as the database*.tcd files ARE the database. 23.39.05 # Ok I ran another disktidy and now I have 888 files 23.39.21 # but everything is now x$ 23.39.25 # * 4 23.39.30 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.39.47 # webguest09: have you recently checked the filesystem? 23.40.29 # Wha do you mean? 23.40.54 # FlynDice, nice to see you got almost 16 hours on your e200v2! 23.41.28 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.41.41 # webguest09: If you're running Windows then run chkdisk (from a command prompt) on the iPod 23.41.54 # If linux then use fsck 23.42.48 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@c-24-218-167-13.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 23.42.59 Quit midgey|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 23.44.00 # There were no errors. 23.44.08 Join freqmod [0] (i=quasselg@dhcp208-240.ed.ntnu.no) 23.45.55 # How does rockbox read for songs, If I was to make a folder called 'Music' will it reaqd the song sform it? 23.46.12 # webguest09: OK, can you go to System > Rockbox Info please, and then click the centre button 23.46.50 # ok, What do you need? 23.47.06 # webguest09: It searches through all directories unless they have a database.ignore file in them (i.e. ".rockbox" does) - or unless they are a subfolder of that with a database.unignore file in there. 23.47.53 # I think it was itunes that did this its synced my sister library to my ipod 23.48.07 # I prolly have to rid all of my music files the reupload 23.48.11 # webguest09: Aha! That could be the problem. 23.48.45 # My friend just said that to me while I was on the phone with him, He had the same issue 23.49.00 # Could you delete the "ipod_control" folder (which may be hidden by default) or copy the database.ignore file from the .rockbox directory into there. 23.49.24 # But that has all my music and I am not at home.. 23.49.36 # then do the second alternative :) 23.50.09 # fff, Ill clear it D: 23.50.21 # webguest09: If all your music is there, then Rockbox seems to be doing its job - you can delete your sister's music from iTunes when you are at a computer 23.50.49 # ut my music and her music are both now on my ipod and we have the same taste D: 23.51.36 # ill do a restore and then I will just make a Music folder, and a movies folder 23.51.44 # I'm getting confused here. So; how many music files do you definitely have on the iPod? Try plugins > Applications > Stats 23.51.50 # (provided that is voiced) 23.52.26 # 222 23.52.42 # That plugin searches the disk the same way the database does, and tells you how many music files are on the device 23.53.12 # Files: 1514 Music: 222 Dirs: 314 23.53.46 # Could Ipodlinux be causing this issue to? 23.53.58 # And you're getting over 6,000 in the database? 23.54.09 # doubles 23.54.13 # its at 888 now after I didnt a dicktidy 23.54.14 # Are you using the official Rockbox bootloader? 23.54.29 # Ye I am I overwrite the bootloader about an hou ago 23.55.39 # ill just redo it and If I have issues I will say something 23.55.40 # brb 23.55.45 # Right, well, if you need to get Rockbox support then we do insist that you use the official bootloader and builds - the reason being that iPL might set things up differently, so we need to use a known-good bootloader 23.56.10 # webguest09: I need to leave work now, but good luck with this - hope you get it working correctly. 23.58.02 Quit evilnick_230 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")