--- Log for 11.06.109 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 7 hours ago 00.01.32 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.03.54 # I just tested RbUtil a bit after reading the forums. I also see the "error 404" when hitting the "download" button in the manual tab (the "live" options, reading the PDF and open the HTML in the browser seem to be ok). And I wonder why it wants to save the downloaded files in the root of my player and doesn't let me specify it 00.04.57 # maybe there's reasoning behind that which I just can't see currently 00.06.25 # can I help tracing down the error? (bluebrother, domonoky) 00.06.56 # pixelma: lemme check if I can reproduce it (I really need to get the user trace finished) 00.07.11 # pixelma: which target ? 00.07.18 Quit evilnick_7 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.07.21 # * pixelma also spotted a small typo in the german "first installation" dialog box 00.07.24 # c200 00.08.01 # somewhere in that sentence there is a "...umd das.." 00.09.02 # I mean the dialog box when first opening the Utility, not installing Rockbox 00.10.04 # hmm, c200 manual downloads fine for me, both pdf and html 00.10.07 # downloading the c200 manual works fine for me. 00.10.56 # maybe one of the download servers then? 00.11.25 # but the manual for h120 doesnt work ! (manual is named manual-h100) 00.12.41 # manual for ipodmini1g also doesnt work. again naming issue. 00.13.05 # oh forgot to mention - tested version 1.2 and 1.2.1 on XP 00.14.04 # and there is more: iaudiom3, no manual available ? 00.15.17 # no. No manual available for the M3 (if I could only find out how to make the button tables have different amount of columns) 00.15.53 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 00.16.41 # more or less "dynamically", without to much effort so that the code stays maintainable 00.16.59 # to make rbutil do i need qt4-dev-tools? 00.17.53 # domonoky, bluebrother: I also tested with my OndioFM and still get 404 when trying to download the manual 00.18.33 # I tried the e200 voice files and got a 505 error also not sure if that is related? 00.18.36 # * bluebrother curses the naming mess 00.18.42 # we really need to clean that up 00.18.49 # *404 00.19.18 # possible but not necessarily. 00.19.59 # though I think it's likely 00.20.00 # * domonoky tested again with the release binarys (instead of svn) and also get 404 00.20.22 # well i will keep trying it and report as i go ;) 00.20.27 # domonoky: still c200? 00.20.41 # yes, also others.. 00.20.52 # domonoky, bluebrother: I just saw that the Utility tells me "couldn't download -20090610.zip", so without the target string part 00.21.10 # c200 stable just worked for me. 00.21.22 # err... "downloading -20090610.zip" 00.21.34 # and then the error message of course 00.21.40 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 00.22.33 # strange. 00.22.49 # hmm, maybe it didn't finish downloading the build info? 00.22.52 # voice download is also broken because of the naming issue. (and its still broken in svn) 00.22.55 # (translated back from memory and missing some parts) but the point was that there is no target string 00.24.01 Quit Zarggg () 00.24.43 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 00.25.07 # and the "detecting" box doesn't tell me which target it found, only the drive letter, but it is correctly displayed as "chosen target" 00.26.00 # detecting box doesn't tell about the target? 00.26.12 # usb.h: No such file or directory on amke just tried getting libusb but have a few versions any ideas? 00.26.13 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.26.19 # thought it would highlight the one it found 00.26.37 # notlistening: you need the development package for libusb 00.26.55 # tried that umm ;) i sec 00.27.09 # it does, but on windows it's hard to spot (it's hilighted in grey, not blue with the default windows theme) 00.27.09 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.27.16 # which is a bit awkward. 00.27.45 # ahh tell a lie i did not aaply my changes ;) 00.27.45 # oh, it does shortly but then goes back to the normal list, maybe I was just expecting something else 00.29.08 # should the target be displayed behind the drive letter then? 00.29.43 # after autodetection or when I chose one from the list 00.30.10 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 00.32.05 Quit |mr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.11 # bluebrother, without using windows can i build a windows veriosn of rbutil? 00.32.26 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.33.26 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.35.30 # notlistening: in theory yes, but you need a cross-compiler plus a cross-compiled Qt 00.35.49 # I've never done that myself though it's on my todo. Somewhere near the bottom though :) 00.38.44 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.39.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.39.46 # lol cygwin it is then 00.44.09 Quit bluebrother ("zzz") 00.46.28 Quit ender (" A computer program will always do what you tell it to, and seldom what you want it to.") 00.49.00 Quit martian67 ("out") 00.49.59 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 00.50.15 Quit martian67 (SendQ exceeded) 00.50.41 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 00.58.11 Join KBH [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.02.45 Quit jordan`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.03.37 Join jordan` [0] (i=gromit@78.235.252.137) 01.05.04 Join tridactyla [0] (n=tridacty@c-71-202-182-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 01.06.33 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.10.33 Quit KBH (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.11.19 Join KBH [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.15.26 Quit HBK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.18 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 01.20.18 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.20.35 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.20.48 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.20.51 Join amiconn_ [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.21.06 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.11 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.24.45 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.25.34 # JdGordon|: why are you surprised? 01.25.35 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 01.28.35 Quit HBK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.25 # how can i get more debg infor from rbutil when i am running it wuth a commandline based speech synth? 01.31.58 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.35.28 # kugel: did you get any other feedback testing apart from that comment from me which obviously was no more than a first glance ok? 01.36.42 # JdGordon|: martin ritter's comment, and the fact that I just can't reproduce it anymore (tried so for ~30 min on all of my targets) 01.37.04 # yes, but what about other problems it might cause? 01.37.24 # I haven't noticed problems 01.37.34 # so? doesnt mean there arnt any 01.38.01 # playback is a bit too important/big to just commit a quick fix without fully making sure its safe 01.38.19 # I'm quite confident the fix is proper, I'll take all blame if it isn't 01.38.55 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.39.23 # trying to reproduce it for 30min and using the player in every day use for 2 days without any problems is pretty much making sure imo. 01.39.58 # every day use is to listen to music whenever I get the chance to it, some hours each day 01.40.23 # thats not testing at all.... 01.41.18 # so have you tested it? 01.41.28 # no, i never said i did thouhg 01.41.30 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 01.41.41 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 01.41.44 # you have to go through the code and make sure there are no side effects of the change 01.41.55 # no, but you open the bug report and apparently don't care about the fix for a few days, but then blame someone who commits it 01.42.04 # I did.... 01.42.31 # * JdGordon| appologises for... hang on no i dont.... dont care and have other shit that has to get done.... 01.42.38 # + are completly different 01.44.13 Quit dmb (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.44.13 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.44.13 Quit J-23 (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.44.13 Quit markun (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.44.13 Quit Tristan (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.44.13 Quit saratoga (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.44.15 # IMO this is a major bug which should be fixed until the release. and the fix will get better testing in SVN 01.44.38 # you understand that the release is supposed to be stable right? 01.44.45 # exactly my reasoning 01.45.01 # which means you dont put in possibly dodgey fixes for an issue which is known 01.45.10 # and not dangerous 01.45.21 # it's not a dodgey fix at all 01.46.00 # if you are going to selectivly read my messages I'm going to go back to paid work.. 01.46.05 Join Chesteta [0] (n=Chesteta@dyn53-149.res-hall.ndsu.NoDak.edu) 01.46.21 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.48.55 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.48.55 NJoin dmb [0] (n=dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 01.48.55 NJoin J-23 [0] (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 01.48.55 NJoin markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 01.48.55 NJoin Tristan [0] (n=Tristan@i.dont.want.to.die.virgin.net.in) 01.48.55 NJoin saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@rockbox/developer/saratoga) 01.49.55 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 01.52.09 # hey have there been any rmaa tests for the e200v2? 01.52.25 # like in the of or rockbox.... 01.52.53 # if there are they are problably in the wiki 01.53.22 # ok, ive been googlin' for 20 mins now with no luck :( 01.54.03 # thats probably a no... 01.54.07 # also... try bing :D 01.54.12 # just did ;) 01.54.19 # good man 01.54.37 # i like their layout and how you dont have to go the site to look at stuff; plus you just keep scrollin rather than clickin next.... wish google would adopt that 01.54.40 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 01.54.45 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3001.gwdg.de) 01.55.31 # well i guess you have to go the page but it 'pops out' when you mouse over it... 01.57.28 # This is all rather off-topic for here. 01.57.56 # yeah, sorry :) 01.58.19 # im done with my search engine talk now 02.02.43 Part toffe82 02.03.38 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.04.56 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.05.55 # FS#10171 can be closed - this bug was fixed with r20812 02.06.21 # SAPI & rbuntil in linux work :D 02.06.31 # *works 02.07.09 # even if it is dead slow, lol 02.07.32 Join mc2739_ [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 02.08.02 Quit Rob2222 () 02.09.25 Quit mc2739 (Nick collision from services.) 02.09.26 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 02.14.09 Quit Chesteta () 02.18.50 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=4607dc91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77ccc79a48fce3d4) 02.21.09 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.41 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 02.23.40 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.32.28 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 02.34.34 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD8A0.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.35.34 Join mc2739_ [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 02.35.54 Quit mc2739 (Nick collision from services.) 02.35.56 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 02.38.00 Join cool_walking_ [0] (i=cb3b81c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a52f3a6b1aa4ea6a) 02.39.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.41.04 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.41.25 Join HellDragon [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.44.29 Quit notlistening ("Leaving") 02.46.38 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 02.59.13 # bertrik: (for the logs) I tried the delays you suggested and they did not help. I tried them each separately and then together with no luck. I also tried sleep(3*HZ/2); here's the diff: http://pastie.org/507934 02.59.20 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.40 Quit n1s (Remote closed the connection) 03.03.23 Quit barrywardell () 03.03.32 Join mc2739_ [0] (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 03.03.39 Quit mc2739 (Nick collision from services.) 03.03.41 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (n=mc2739@cpe-67-10-238-175.satx.res.rr.com) 03.04.06 Join Ferrari12508 [0] (n=44515500@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-4352f0487c7a33db) 03.06.41 # hey 03.07.46 # what? 03.12.04 Quit Ferrari12508 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.14.05 # is it currently possible to have a set font for the WPS and have a seperate font for the menus and viewers? 03.14.48 # No. 03.15.08 # Unless you want the WPS to use the system font. In the WPS you can choose to use the system font or the user font, menus are always the user font. 03.16.01 # how would you set a system font? 03.16.12 # You can't set it. 03.16.28 # It's the builtin font. 03.17.01 # i meant "can it be changed, if so how might I do that" 03.17.17 # Compile Rockbox with a different font compiled in. 03.18.29 # ok; thanks I'll give it a try 03.20.21 Join Ferrari12508 [0] (n=44515500@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-feb160e0d7711680) 03.20.50 # Hello, I was just wondering if rockboy still ran gameboy color games slowly? 03.20.57 # Yes. 03.21.07 # Nobody has really worked in the gameboy emulator in a long time. 03.21.21 # Darn, thanks for th answer though 03.22.07 Quit Ferrari12508 (Client Quit) 03.23.14 # Llorean, where would I find the bullitin font so I can change it to my desired font? 03.23.29 # Read the source code, I guess. 03.23.44 # ohh, ok 03.30.08 # * froggyman cant seem to find the bulitin font... 03.30.32 Join mc2739_ [0] (n=mc2739@67.10.238.175) 03.30.41 Quit mc2739 (Nick collision from services.) 03.30.43 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (n=mc2739@67.10.238.175) 03.31.08 # why exactly do you need to change the builtin? 03.31.41 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 03.32.02 # ah. this sounds more like a case for multifont than configurable system font. 03.32.06 # Yeah 03.32.16 # well, I want one font for viewing text but the one I prefer for that doesnt work well with most WPSs 03.32.25 # so yeah multifont 03.33.24 # The problem with multifont is that the current patch for it works, but isn't done the right way. 03.33.56 # That usually results in "the people who want the feature are generally satisfied to use the patch, the people who want to see it included but don't use the feature aren't really interested in rewriting the whole thing" 03.35.08 # are you refering to FS#9898 then? 03.35.34 # No 03.36.11 # 4733 03.37.46 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.39.03 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 03.39.36 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6e2f644a2ae464d0) 03.42.06 Quit KBH (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.50.40 Quit tridactyla (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.12 Join tridactyla [0] (n=tridacty@c-71-202-182-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.52.15 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 03.52.35 Quit tridactyla (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.15.02 Join |StanG| [0] (n=email@c-67-162-230-37.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 04.15.46 Quit froggyman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.16.32 # <|StanG|> Is there a way to turn on verbose errors with the Rockbox Utility? 04.18.22 Quit mc2739 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.02 # What kind of problem are you experiencing? 04.19.39 # <|StanG|> zlib library error 04.19.51 # That probably means you don't have enough space free. 04.19.59 # <|StanG|> theres nothing on it 04.20.08 Join MariTrunk [0] (n=kunalm3@75-119-228-49.dsl.teksavvy.com) 04.20.09 # <|StanG|> 20gb 4th gen greyscale ipod 04.20.24 # hey all 04.20.50 # just found out about rockbox online today as I was really pissed off from iTunes 04.21.18 # I just have few questions 04.21.20 # |StanG|: And everything else about it is normal? The original firmware works fine? 04.21.37 # <|StanG|> yes 04.21.51 # It's not mounted read-only? 04.22.05 # does rockbox support drag and drop files/folders from windows explorer or do I have to use another program to copy mp3s? 04.22.15 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 04.22.22 # MariTrunk: Rockbox doesn't care how your files get on the player. 04.22.43 # <|StanG|> not that im aware of, let me try to put a file on it just to check 04.22.49 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9dbcf6ac8a57ff94) 04.23.53 # Llorean: so if I have installed rockbox, I can just connect the usb cable and it should open a folder will all my files and I can drag and drop new files, as well has copy them back to the PC from my ipod? 04.24.09 # MariTrunk: Whether a folder opens up depends on how your computer's set up. 04.24.25 # It'll work just like an external hard disk. 04.24.57 # awesome 04.25.26 # another question: is the rockbox firmware as fast as the ipod firmware? and is as easy to use? 04.26.10 # I don't even know what you mean by "fast" 04.26.32 # And "easy to use" depends entirely on your own expectations. I'd suggest reading the manual and learning about it. 04.28.15 # fast meaning, scrolling is fast, no lagging... not like click a button and 5 secs later something happens. My sister had Philips GoGear and the UI was so crappy and slow.... 04.28.49 # It's generally pretty fast, yes. 04.32.16 # is there a way to customize it so that it looks exactly like the ipod firmware but still allows me to drag and drop files to and from my PC without using iTunes? 04.32.36 # There's no simple way to do that, no. 04.32.58 # You can customize it to look similar, but Rockbox has a lot of unique options, so there's a lot more there than there would be in the Apple firmware. 04.33.12 # Please, if you have questions about available options or features, start by reading the manual. 04.35.11 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.35.31 # is there an FAQ on how to customize the look? 04.35.32 Join advcomp2019 [0] (n=advcomp2@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 04.36.24 # There are pages in the wiki describing how to write WPSes, yes. 04.36.24 # MariTrunk: The CustomWPS wiki page. There are some pre-made themes on http://themes.rockbox.org 04.38.44 # I was hoping there might be an ipod theme lol 04.39.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.40.48 # We can't host an iPod theme. Duplicating the iPod interface would require using graphics copyright Apple. 04.45.56 Quit scorche (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.47.47 # found it :) 04.47.49 # http://www.ipodthemeworld.com/iPod/download/rockbox-WPS-ipod-photo/iPod_Color_Plus.aspx 04.49.04 Join scorche [50] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 04.49.04 # minor binsize/speed tweaks in jpeg decoder... should i be saving these for post-freez? 04.49.33 # Probably, yeah. 04.50.07 Quit Sajber^1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.50.23 # At least, in my opinion it should only be fixes for bugs. 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It looks straightforward (i.e. the user said it the bug he reported is now fixed) 10.49.17 Nick bubsy_ is now known as bubsy (i=Bubsy@unaffiliated/bubsy) 10.50.11 # linuxstb: I asked because it has been requested here on IRC and there were no responses. But I have not tested it. And the user who said the bug doesn't exist anymore (in FS) is not the same person who reported the bug. 10.50.52 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 10.52.43 # fml: Ah yes, I didn't notice that - they do seem to be reporting slightly different things. 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In that case you can just ignore me :) 11.08.53 Join _Auron_ [0] (n=DarkAuro@99.48.97.163) 11.08.54 Quit Makuseru (Remote closed the connection) 11.09.52 # markun: just not sure what gigabeat normally uses, mtp or storage 11.10.04 Quit ChanServ (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.10.04 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.10.11 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.10.11 NJoin ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 11.10.11 Mode "#rockbox +o ChanServ " by irc.freenode.net 11.10.22 Join max [0] (n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 11.10.23 # if it's libmtp that's likely the correct solution as ubuntu changed from usbdevfs to the new entries in /dev 11.10.33 # markun: Thank you very much. That did it. 11.10.45 Nick max is now known as Guest69743 (n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 11.11.02 Nick Guest69743 is now known as Makuseru (n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com) 11.12.10 Quit Makuseru (Remote closed the connection) 11.17.24 Join psycho_maniac [0] (i=psycho_m@207.230.218.249) 11.17.53 # quick question, how do i actually use my player as a remote? just plug it in and hit play/pause? i have a gigabeat f40 11.18.28 # psycho_maniac: do you have that enabled in the source? 11.19.00 # probably not. it says you can do this on the site so i just updated rockbox 11.19.43 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.20.58 # so am i right in saying that this does work on a daily build? 11.22.28 # i cant find anything on the wiki about this HID USB 11.22.41 # psycho_maniac: it also depends on the application you want to control with it - and I'm not a 100% sure if the gigabeat F has it 11.23.26 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.23.59 # i believe it only sends keycodes for the various multimedia control keys. volume up and down work from my beast and e200, i've not played with the other controls. 11.25.19 # I doubt the Gigabeat F has it - it doesn't run our USB stack 11.25.30 # doesn't it has an ATA bridge chip in it ? 11.25.34 # s/has/have 11.25.58 # but really all i have to do is just plug the thing in and i hit play/pause/ect? 11.26.00 # * pixelma deletes question - only saw a HID keymap added to the beast, not the F anyways 11.26.17 # psycho_maniac: please re-read what I said. It doesn't work on the Gigabeat F. 11.27.05 # alright but if i had a player that did run your usb stack 11.27.27 # pretty much yes 11.27.35 # it's harder to use if you load in "charging only" mode 11.27.49 # since then you can't use the controls directly on the player, you have to go via the debug menu 11.28.32 # * pixelma had to set up the keyboard shortcuts (assigning the multimedia buttons) in foobar2000 11.28.46 # they just "worked" for me in Winamp 11.28.53 # didn't have to set up anything 11.29.14 # hmm. i read you had to setup the multimedia keys on winamp but there usually now set up by default. 11.29.21 # just to stress that it also depends on your setup, maybe there are also differences whether you are using a multimedia keyboard anyways or not 11.30.58 # sucks gigabeat s wont be in rockbox 3.3 :( 11.31.43 # it's easy enough to build from svn and get installed. i've been using it as my primary player for months. 11.32.22 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.32.46 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3038.gwdg.de) 11.32.56 # yeah, well i read somewhere that it was kinda a goal for 3.3 but i guess it must have to many bugs or something. 11.33.22 # "It is hoped to include the Gigabeat S in the 3.3 release." 11.34.45 # GodEater: The Gigabeat F also has USB host and device controllers, but you can only use them through the dock (and our stack doesn't yet work on it) 11.36.39 # markun: so I was half right =/ 11.37.36 # psycho_maniac: it's nothing to do with bugs 11.37.43 # it's to do with how we distribute the bootloader 11.37.46 # there are licensing issues 11.38.24 # illegal or legal issues? 11.40.00 # the issue is that the single bootloader (i.e. will only load Rockbox) only works on some devices it seems. The dual boot one (i.e. boots OF and Rockbox) is way more reliable, but relies on us distributing toshiba's code. 11.40.55 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 11.40.56 # ahhh. who uses the OF anyways ;) 11.41.16 # the people who's beasts the single bootloader doesn't work on NEED it 11.41.19 # psycho_maniac: That's not the point - the problem is that the single-boot bootloader is unreliable... 11.41.46 # i know that wasnt the point. i just wanted to say it. 11.45.36 # is there a patch for this, "Increased battery life on some targets by preventing WPS from updating while backlight is off. " i remember reading about it on the tracker but i cant seem to find it. i wanna know if my player is supported. 11.45.50 Join cool_walking_ [0] (n=anthony@203.161.101.209.static.amnet.net.au) 11.46.16 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 11.46.19 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3102.gwdg.de) 11.51.05 Quit PaulJam_ (Nick collision from services.) 11.51.08 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3077.gwdg.de) 11.51.36 Quit psycho_maniac (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?") 11.57.10 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@85.24.143.12) 12.00.55 # does anyone know what distro our release builds of rbutil are made on ? 12.05.40 # isn't that build on multiple servers? 12.06.02 # * FrankTM uses ubuntu 12.06.19 # no 12.06.26 # rockbox is built on multiple servers 12.06.32 # rbutil isn't part of the auto build system 12.06.47 # ah :P 12.07.19 # i suppose a config.log is not provided? 12.07.54 # do you see one ? 12.09.40 # * Llorean wonders if there's some way we could setup RBUtil build servers. 12.09.51 # very probably 12.09.58 # but there are distro differences to take into account 12.10.00 # hence my question 12.10.09 # Even if we didn't post links to the bleeding edge builds, some way to make sure that when we want to make a new release version of it, we don't have to shop around asking if everyone's awake and around with the right environments 12.10.09 # rbutilqt won't build on Ubuntu out of the box 12.10.34 Join __lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.84.45) 12.12.08 # I'm trying to build a x64 version of 1.2.1 12.14.23 # * FrankTM fires up ubuntu 12.15.02 # for the record, building it is easy, building a statically linked version isn't. I wonder why we don't have a static target in the make file 12.16.50 # GodEater: bluebrother builds the windows and linux rbutil release binarys. maybe ask him what distro he uses :-) 12.17.07 # domonoky: cool, I'll do that 12.17.22 # ISTR he uses Red Hat/Fedora, but I could be very wrong... 12.17.30 # I just noticed today that ubuntu requires you to use 'qmake-qt4' not merely 'qmake' 12.17.45 # and also 'lsrelease-qt4' instead of 'lsrelease' 12.18.01 # GodEater: if you look at the rbutil dev wikipage, it mentions that :-) 12.18.16 # ah ok 12.18.17 # I believe bluebrother uses Fedora 12.18.25 # poor fellow :) 12.21.36 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.21.57 # automated rbutil builds would be nice. but its a bit hard to get the neccessary servers. we would need linux-32bit, linux-64bit, windows and mac. All setup with the correct enviroment to build release binarys. 12.22.10 # hard but not impossible 12.22.19 # true 12.22.27 # I'd be happy to set mine up as an x64 host 12.22.46 Quit _lifeless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.23.22 # can the windows binary be cross-compiled, or does it need cygwin? 12.23.34 # no idea 12.23.40 # x64 can be cross-compiled on 32 bit right? 12.24.35 # Llorean: since it's c++ it might be an issue, although maybe not for static build 12.24.53 # Llorean: it doesnt need cygwin (building in cygwin doesnt even work). But dont know if crosscompiling works because of the depencies. 12.25.00 # Aaah 12.25.12 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.25.26 # yeah, it's usually mingw32, but the ABI is different from visual c++ 12.25.49 # tmzt: its not visual c++, we use mingw32 on windows. 12.26.07 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.26.25 # so that's not an issue? I only know of this from the mozilla issues with flash 12.26.26 # bluebrother said something about cross-compiling a Windows version on Linux yesterday (or today), could be already in today's logs 12.27.20 # yes, around 00:35 12.29.37 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 12.29.44 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3081.gwdg.de) 12.32.32 # * pixelma wonders about animated... PNGs... on the themes.rockbox.org e200 page 12.33.39 # MNGs? 12.34.58 # ah, no, that APNG stuff. 12.35.41 # Doesn't the submit form say the image is just supposed to be the WPS screen? 12.36.12 # * Llorean votes someone with admin privileges take down those images, and tell the people to resubmit them properly. 12.36.27 # * Llorean admits a SLIGHT dislike for animated images on webpages in general. 12.36.59 # burn them houses! 12.37.06 # Llorean: Free-State.AMremix we might want to leave up, it actually *is* only showing the WPS. 12.37.51 # IIRC you are allowed to upload 3 different images - two for the WPS (one used and an alternative one) and a menu screenshot - only the firstr is used currently though 12.38.25 # Zune v2 is just gratuitously displaying two different covers though (ok, and the menu) 12.38.26 # are there more themes for fuzes somewhere? 12.38.27 # I'm not sure but thought that the format PNG was chosen to prevent animated images 12.38.34 # Unhelpful: If it's only showing the WPS it's fair, though I still dislike animation. 12.39.23 # FrankTM: Use ones for a player with the same size screen from themes.rockbox.org. If you're not happy with the selection there, google and good luck. 12.39.24 # I give up 12.39.31 # I can't work out how to statically build rbutilqt 12.39.35 # FrankTM: I believe the Fuze has a 220x176 colour screen so you can use the ones listed under Ipod Photo/Color (and H300 but those might contain WPSs for the remote) 12.39.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.40.08 # maybe a stupid question, but what's meant by WPSs? 12.41.11 # While Playing Screen 12.43.41 Join wark [0] (n=wark@fctnnbsc15w-142166071215.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) 12.44.51 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 12.47.14 # ah. 12.47.27 # those themes are plain ugly though :p 12.48.07 # what a nice thing to say about people's hard work that they've submitted for free. 12.48.19 # well. in other words 12.48.22 # i don't like them 12.48.40 # you know what they say "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" 12.49.21 # that would be a rather weird world to live in 12.50.15 # I'm just a little sick of hearing people complain about something they get for free 12.50.17 # but you're right, wasn't a nice thing to say 12.50.24 # hey. i'm not complaining 12.54.20 Quit parafin ("So long and thanks for all the fish") 12.54.27 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 12.55.03 # meh. i'm just annoyed with myself today 12.55.09 # ignore what i said 12.57.09 # well, you can always make a theme yourself 12.58.30 # hehe. pretty sure those will be worse than those 13.00.09 Quit PaulJam_ (Nick collision from services.) 13.00.12 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3119.gwdg.de) 13.04.06 # * GodEater thinks we should offer a similar sort of service for customised TagNavi files as we do for themes. Thoughts ? 13.09.38 # * GodEater watches the tumbleweed roll by. 13.12.08 Nick at0m|c is now known as at0m (n=at0m@94-225-90-23.access.telenet.be) 13.12.23 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.13.22 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.14.08 # GodEater: Is there really that much that can be done with them? 13.14.22 # Rather than put together a site, maybe a tagnavi customization tool might make more sense? 13.15.10 # Llorean: I think it would be nice to at least have a place where people can collect them. I'm sure some people have done some interesting things with them, but without an easy way to share them it's hard to tell since we can't see them. 13.15.19 # I mean, I know they're immensely flexible, but I think outside of the standard range of things already in it, the majority of other filters one might add will be personal use cases. 13.15.37 # perhaps so - but some of those cases might be shared by some people 13.16.01 # I just think it might prove interesting 13.16.09 # We could start with a poll as to how many people have modified tagnavi, and ask those that answer "yes" to summarize what they added/changed? 13.16.19 # sure, that's a good start 13.16.38 # Get some feedback at least. We might find some improvements we could incorporate into the default. 13.16.55 # I was just looking at the few we have on the page in the wiki 13.17.09 # and wondering why we don't include the "Full featured" one at the bottom as our default 13.17.13 # it looks pretty swish 13.17.29 # What's the wiki page? 13.17.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase 13.17.58 # Example 4 is the one I'm referring to 13.18.21 # it's bascule's effort 13.18.25 # I know he's a huge fan :) 13.19.07 # Didn't he contribute the current tagnavi? 13.19.20 # * Llorean doesn't like the term "Rockbox Browser" as the menu title, but that's just a minor nitpick. 13.19.20 # for some reason I think it became the default one now 13.19.20 # I've no idea to be honest 13.19.42 # * Llorean doesn't want people calling the database "the browser" for example 13.20.02 # well clearly we could make some minor changes 13.20.19 # Yes. 13.20.28 # * Llorean wishes once again we had clear licensing on the wiki. 13.20.39 # pixelma: it doesn't look like we are using that one as the default 13.21.00 # does anyone have an email address for bascule ? 13.21.03 # or rather, I wish the licensing was clearly permissive, rather than clearly not. 13.21.06 # I imagine I do. 13.21.12 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 13.21.12 # I've not seen / heard from him for a long time on the forusm 13.21.41 # shall I post the poll ? 13.21.47 # Go ahead. 13.21.52 # and if so - where do you suggest ? 13.21.57 # in the "Database" forum 13.22.02 # or somewhere more prompinent ? 13.23.11 # and while I have your attention you two, could you please respond in the experts thread :) 13.23.17 # May as well go with announcements. An official poll. "We're looking at refactoring Tagnavi and wanted to see how many people felt it was important to modify theirs, and if so, how" 13.23.45 # I don't much like example 4 to be honest - too much text... what we need is a better way to #include multiple tagnavi trees without having them appear as "custom..."... 13.24.24 # Maybe it shoudl auto-concatentate tagnavi.* into the root menu? 13.24.29 # (or something) 13.24.46 # Llorean: I can't post polls in the annoucements section :) 13.25.02 # Database or UI makes most sense 13.25.25 # pondlife: do you actually *use* the database? :) 13.25.29 # All the time 13.25.32 # wow 13.25.38 # a dev that uses it 13.25.44 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.25.44 # * GodEater falls over in shock 13.25.47 # I wouldn't say I'm a dev ;) 13.25.57 # besides Slasheri ;) 13.26.10 # Slasheri only wakes up twice a year, he doesn't count ;D 13.26.10 # If you have lots of stuff, the file browser can be too slow. 13.26.38 # I find the exact opposite tbh 13.26.44 # but that's why we have choices :) 13.26.57 # I particularly use it for (1) Albums/ (2) A-Z and (3) Same as current... 13.27.08 # I think roolku uses it a bit more too (seeing he coded some stuff there) but haven't seen him since around last DevCon or so 13.27.13 # GodEater: you were trying to build rbutil statically? 13.27.18 # kugel: I was 13.27.20 # and failing 13.27.28 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.27.44 # you need to build Qt with the -static switch 13.27.52 # I figured as much 13.28.00 # such a pain there isn't a static package to install 13.28.15 # indeed 13.28.55 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.29.05 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s243b.studby.ntnu.no) 13.29.15 # GodEater: Responded to the experts thread, PMed bascule. 13.29.25 # awesome :D 13.29.40 # I'm making the poll in 'DevCon' and will move it to Announcements 13.29.44 # seems a neatish workaround 13.30.11 # GodEater: Did you try to post in announcements? Experts are supposed to be able to. 13.30.23 # Aah 13.30.23 # I can post, I can't make a new poll though 13.30.27 # Fixed. 13.30.28 # I only have a new topic button 13.30.35 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 13.30.39 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3119.gwdg.de) 13.31.19 # do we want new rbutil release for 3.3? 13.31.19 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 13.32.03 Join CaptainKwel [0] (n=jason@cpe-68-173-40-122.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.32.03 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.34.49 # By my reckoning we should be branching today - anyone know when this is likely to happen (or if I'm mistaken).? 13.35.49 # kugel: I guess for the logs. RButil releases generally aren't "for" Rockbox releases (or shouldn't be) but rather for when something is fixed/improved/added to rbutil that warrants a release. I think it was decided at some point to keep them more or less independent of Rockbox releases and on its own "when it seems needed" pattern. 13.37.03 Join Nico_P [0] (i=39428a0f@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.37.37 Quit Nico_P (Client Quit) 13.38.08 Join Nico_P [0] (i=39428a0f@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 13.38.43 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 13.38.48 # hm yes, branching today... I still haven't looked at FS#9957 properly :\ 13.38.53 # hey Nico_P , long time no see! 13.39.34 # pondlife: Whenever someone does it - it could be you! 13.39.59 # heh, I wouldn't trust me if I were yoiu (or indeed me) 13.40.10 # which I guess I am 13.40.15 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21892.0 13.40.31 # you only guess ? 13.40.38 # I'd see a therapist immediately 13.41.31 # btw - now that I'm in the Annoucements thread - Cassandra's post is somewhat out of date 13.41.35 # GodEater: hi :) 13.41.35 # So, USB for all swusb targets except iPods? 13.41.53 # Nico_P: I finally got a working iphone toolchain 13.41.59 # was thinking of you whilst I was working on it 13.43.18 # nice! are you going to be writing some apps? 13.43.25 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 13.43.31 # Llorean: I think so, yes. I'll try to have another look at FS#9957 tonight. If not, that can go into the release notes 13.44.03 # * Llorean is slightly disappointed, but that gives us time to see how many iPods explode with the charging patch before we make it "official" 13.44.03 # GodEater: One can never be sure of such things, but that's way OT 13.44.17 # that's what the other channel is for :) 13.44.53 # I need to keep up to date with FS more. I had no idea there was a charging patch. 13.45.08 # GodEater: It's attached as a comment to a "bug" task last I looked 13.45.15 # I also need to get some lunch :) 13.45.25 # So it's not been obvious 13.45.35 # * GodEater goes to get food 13.47.24 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.01.46 # Nico_P: did you see my fix for FS#8999 and FS#10101? Any opinion? 14.03.05 # kugel: yep, I saw you fixed it, nice work :) 14.08.59 # kugel: and it looks correct to me, although I haven't worked with that code in some time. I trust that it fixes the problem and it doesn't look like it would cause any harm in other situations 14.09.31 # Nico_P: I tried hard to reproduce but couldn't (I could easily reproduce it before) so I'm fairly sure the fix is correct, but JdGordon seemed to have doubts 14.11.02 # that was my thinking too 14.18.13 # so it seems the beast won't make it into 3.3, will it? 14.19.04 # We still need a reliable install. The single boot image doesn't work for all beasts, and I'm not even sure there's a way to identify in advance which ones it will fail on. 14.19.26 # If it does fail, there's no easy way to recover them without an OF image (which, if we had readily available, would make dual-boot images no problem and negate the problem in the first place) 14.20.42 Quit PaulJam_ (Nick collision from services.) 14.20.45 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3081.gwdg.de) 14.21.03 # that's unfortunate :( 14.21.14 # It's a tough situation. 14.22.18 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21246): Set ZenUtils svn:ignore property properly 14.22.21 # rbutil support would be nice at least, even if there's no stable release 14.22.57 # RBUtil support would be great, though we'd need a big red warning about how your device may be unrecoverable if you don't acquire an OF image first. 14.23.02 # are we having a new rbutil release for 3.3? 14.23.13 # kugel: I left you a message in the logs about it when you asked earlier. 14.23.30 # RBUtil gets releases when RBUtil changes or gets fixed, they're not really in parallel with Rockbox releases. 14.23.32 # oh, I thought it didn't come through 14.24.04 # I haven't heard anything specifically new (no new targets this time around) for a release. Except maybe if we build it on a newer QT it might fix the SAPI issues? 14.26.12 # the SVN bot is a nice touch :) 14.33.12 Quit PaulJam (Nick collision from services.) 14.33.19 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3160.gwdg.de) 14.34.15 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 14.39.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.40.48 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 14.42.18 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (i=44a0430d@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 14.54.09 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 15.08.18 Join evilnick_7 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fb4b71af1b6f8971) 15.08.21 Quit killan ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 15.12.02 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-def370d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 15.19.47 Join webguest97 [0] (n=590c4de2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9668fe5c5316aa29) 15.21.13 # We aaaaall want Rockbox for third Zune Generatioon ! 15.21.42 # Then work on it. 15.21.51 # webguest97: Crack the encryption and it should help then 15.21.52 # It's a community effort. If the people who want it don't work, it doesn't happen. 15.22.21 Part LinusN 15.22.26 # that's such a lie 15.22.31 # I don't want it on the zune 15.23.04 # but I 15.23.10 # and I have an 120 gig 15.23.29 # if someone realese I can test it :D 15.23.46 # * pondlife is still waiting for Zune Linux... 15.23.49 # As I said, quite clearly, it will never happen if people like you keep waiting for someone else to do it. 15.23.53 # yah 15.24.30 # but i don't know how to make it 15.24.40 # Then learn. 15.25.04 # this will take years 15.25.13 # "Years" is sooner than "never" 15.25.39 # also, every other port of Rockbox has taken years too - so it won't be any faster if "we" do it either 15.26.00 # hm. then I can earlier buy an Ipod classic and do Rockbox on it :D 15.26.10 # You really have two choices. Do it, or don't. If you're not going to, that's really fine, but you don't need to bother anyone here about it. You've said "It would be neat to have it on my player" and that's really more than enough. Honest. We're quite aware that there are hundreds of MP3 players out there with owners who'd like to see them do more. The answer is the same to all of them. 15.26.17 Quit cool_walking_ (Remote closed the connection) 15.26.25 # except rockbox doesnt work on the classic either 15.26.33 # Or the new nanos. 15.26.46 # okay 15.27.03 # or the shuffles 15.27.17 # Or the Touch. Or the iPhone, for that matter. 15.27.33 # Simply put... if it's not on the front page, it doesn't work with Rockbox. 15.27.50 # but I tought if someone planed to make it for the zune and didn't know if the people want it 15.28.01 # then I say : Yes! We want :D 15.28.12 # webguest97: If someone was that far then they'd do it for their own use anyway 15.28.17 # webguest97: Right now, there are no plans to port to the Zune. 15.28.20 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@rockbox/developer/saratoga) 15.28.22 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 15.28.26 # There are no plans, period. 15.28.39 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3d2bde3570b8eac2) 15.28.42 Part saratoga 15.28.48 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3d2bde3570b8eac2) 15.29.34 Part saratoga 15.29.48 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3d2bde3570b8eac2) 15.29.49 # are there any open source media player softwares like rockbox ? 15.31.59 # nope 15.32.01 # we stand alone 15.32.28 # http://lmgtfy.com/?q=open+source+mp3+player 15.32.55 # okay. than i have to wait for an update by microsoft :D or the Zune HD 15.34.05 # GodEater: Well, there's similar project. OpenNeo (a Rockbox fork, though for slightly differently purposed hardware) and the s1mp3 project at least. And iPod/SansaLinux are, I guess, related? 15.34.13 # Or dump the Zune... ;) 15.34.29 # is OpenNeo still running ? 15.34.43 # might as well quote ZuneLinux then 15.34.44 # :D 15.35.05 # Probably not, but at least they have real code. 15.35.17 # Someone *could* pick it up and run with it. 15.36.55 # okay now 15.37.00 # i hate microsoft :D 15.37.09 # why did you buy a zune then ? 15.37.20 # because i life in germany 15.37.27 # and everybody has an iPod 15.37.32 # and thats boring 15.37.35 # webguest97: And you're veering into off-topic territory. 15.37.38 # * gevaerts spots Logic 15.37.40 # what a non-sensical answer 15.37.51 # gevaerts: is that the thing running away over yonder ? 15.38.44 # yonder? 15.39.17 # get a dictionary 15.50.30 Join {phoenix} [0] (n=dirk@p54B46A82.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.52.50 Join webguest95 [0] (n=d9576270@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-017bee60fc01b47d) 15.53.01 # moin 15.53.28 # gibts hier jemand der on ist und deutsch kann :D 15.53.40 # This is an English channel, please. 15.53.44 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 15.53.56 # ah ok,sry 15.54.19 # We also ask that you use real words, and avoid things like "sry" where possible, to aid those using machine assistance of varying sorts. 15.54.35 # my english is not very good but mayby you can help me 15.55.09 # looks very good to me 15.56.01 # ich kann deutsch! 15.56.31 # i have a ipod mini 6 gb with the last rockbox. i`ve listen that it is possible to play gamboy gamse on it with rockbox 15.56.33 # ah 15.56.40 # doch ein deutscher XD 15.56.51 # Please, stick to English. 15.57.07 # ok Llorean 15.57.39 # As to gameboy games, the use of all Rockbox features is in the manual. It may be that gameboy games aren't yet supported on the mini, I'm not entirely certain. 15.58.21 # Llorean: Rockboy isn't on the mini. 15.58.30 # i know 15.58.51 # ehm 15.59.19 # it is possible to put iboy into rockbox ? 15.59.31 # No. 15.59.32 # No. iBoy is part of iPodLinux. 15.59.51 # oh thats bad ... 16.00.20 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.01.00 Quit webguest97 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.01.52 # it is impossible to play rockboy on the mini at this time 16.02.21 # In Rockbox, yes. 16.02.55 # ok, it is possible that rockboy run on mini with rockbox in future 16.04.27 # Possible, yes. But it's impossible to know if, or when, somebody will work on it. 16.04.39 # ah ok 16.05.34 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@84.165.212.154) 16.06.40 # give it more rockbox games, doom and coubnterstrike allready< on my ipod but iv jut ply more games. racing or adventure. 16.06.48 # sry 16.06.52 # if just 16.07.01 # sorry 16.07.40 # omg my batterie of my keyboard are empty ^^ 16.11.39 # am back 16.11.46 # with stron bateries XD 16.11.49 # g 16.12.06 # * LambdaCalculus37 takes away webguest95's Enter key 16.12.08 # give it a german irc channel from rockbox 16.14.36 # but what if must say to the rockbox firmware it is 100000000 percebt better than the appel firmware 16.14.44 # percent 16.15.07 # very BIG THANKS to the programmers 16.16.55 Quit webguest95 ("CGI:IRC") 16.17.25 Join chrissXcross [0] (n=d9576270@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3ba77a6a0ccb1d59) 16.17.33 Quit chrissXcross (Client Quit) 16.18.04 Join chrissXcross [0] (n=d9576270@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-a20ec1bd47aa2f14) 16.18.13 Quit chrissXcross (Client Quit) 16.18.19 Join chrissXcross [0] (n=d9576270@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3355724fe16130f8) 16.18.26 # ife just change my nick XD 16.19.53 # is here everybody comes from germany that can speak german 16.20.54 # my english is to bad to write ..... words are lost - . - 16.24.39 # Llorean gave it a german rockbox irc channel 16.24.40 # ? 16.25.23 # This is the only official Rockbox support channel. 16.25.33 # oh ok ... 16.25.37 # hm 16.25.54 # cann i write with a irc member german 16.26.02 # with pn 16.26.22 Join Questionaire [0] (n=44920eac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-f38d4419ec551983) 16.26.24 # or personalmessage 16.26.50 # because in english i can write all the things if just think 16.27.32 # when it isnt possible can you say me if is just can download more games form rockbox 16.27.49 # other games as doom freedoom counterstrike ... 16.27.57 # We include everything we have. 16.28.15 # And don't ask us where to get more games. We're not touching that subject with a 50-foot pole. 16.28.47 Quit fyrestorm ("lamers envy me like they envy bill g -- main boot xp, just the way it should be!") 16.28.59 # 50-foot pole. what did you mean with that 16.29.18 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-178.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.29.24 # chrissXcross: It means finding other things is off topic here. Use google. 16.31.08 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@74.0.180.178) 16.34.19 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.34.41 # how can i just put more viewers into rockbox 16.35.45 # for example an gif viewer 16.36.18 # must i copie the *.rock file into the viewers folger ? 16.36.19 Quit Questionaire ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.36.44 # chrissXcross: You'd also have to code it 16.37.50 # no but i would now how can i put an viewer into rockbox 16.38.13 # because if jufst found an gif viewr for rockbox 16.39.10 # or an plugin but i dont know how i can put in into rockbox 16.39.25 # You have to compile a current version of Rockbox with that viewer. 16.39.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.40.27 # an how can i do this is there an tutorial on your rockbox site 16.40.36 # Yes, in the Wiki 16.41.18 # oh ok thanks 16.41.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.41.52 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.45.07 # so i cant kopie the *#rock file into the viewers folder an use it 16.45.18 # *.rock 16.45.19 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 16.46.19 # usually no, as it has to be made for your player and for the version of Rockbox you are running 16.46.46 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-065-013.nc.res.rr.com) 16.48.18 # hm 16.48.21 Quit Horschti ("Verlassend") 16.49.29 Join r0b- [0] (n=nnscript@76.236.182.214) 16.50.49 # it is impossible to install ipodlinux and iboy an then to start iboy in rockbox 16.51.35 # whats iboy 16.52.12 # r0b-: Ask in #ipodlinux. 16.52.56 # its an gamboy emulator for ipodlinux 16.53.13 # first hit in google for me 16.53.39 # chrissXcross: iboy is for ipodlinux as you have been told...rockbox is completely different... 16.53.51 # chrissXcross: you can't start iBoy from Rockbox, but you can have both Ipodlinux and Roxkbox at the same time BUT everything related to Ipolinux is off-topic here so you have to ask elsewhere (and for example, I know nothing about it, don't even have an Ipod) 16.53.53 # we have rockboy :) 16.54.07 # not on his target though 16.54.14 # ah 16.54.18 # i know markun but i have the ipod mini 16.54.25 # an there is noch rockboy vieser in it 16.54.47 # vieser? 16.54.53 # viewer sorrx XD 16.54.59 # ah, yes :) 16.56.25 # in i would put the rockboy viewer into the rocvkbox that is on my ipod XD 16.56.31 # chrissXcross: please, at least attempt to spell correctly, maybe take yourself a little more time and don't hit the enter key so often - one thought on one line is much easier to read than on three or more lines 16.57.02 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.57.07 # yes my english is bad 16.57.42 Join froggyman [0] (n=Froggyma@pool-71-186-6-182.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 16.58.26 # i would put the rockboy viewer into my rockbox version is that possible 16.58.48 # Not without programming. 16.58.57 # I think that it has to be 'fixed' to work on your iPod Mini 16.59.13 # didnt pixelma already answer that? 17.00.16 # yesno he said it is impossible to start iboy in rockbox ... 17.00.41 # chrissXcross: pixelma is a she. 17.00.48 # evilnick_7: there's an oldish patch for it in the tracker (at least there was) but it also has another problem: the current control method on Ipods won't work on the 1st gen Mini (and both generations use the same build) 17.00.55 # oh sry ... 17.01.00 # sorry ahh 17.01.23 # chrissXcross: Just take your time. Stop a second and read over your line before you press enter. It will make things easier. 17.02.26 # Not without programming. 17.02.35 # I also said it has to be specifically made for your player, if it was as easy as using one from another player it already had been done 17.03.15 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.05.43 # ;( iw would play gamboy on my ipod but iv dont would install anything on my ipod rockbox is the best for my ipod 17.05.51 # if 17.07.22 # ipodlinux is bad, rockbox is 10000 x better 17.07.31 Part merbzt3 17.08.23 # iPL is better at being an entire OS, Rockbox has more of a focus on playing music. But really, iPL is off-topic here 17.09.10 Quit Kopfgeldjaeger (Remote closed the connection) 17.09.34 Join Kopfgeldjaeger [0] (n=nicolai@monitor-mode-enabled-on-mon0.phy0.de) 17.11.44 # Rockbox's biggest focus is music playback. 17.12.32 # i know and i enjoyed 17.13.24 # how can i use the coverflow plugin 17.14.48 # chrissXcross: Information about using the plugin is in the manual. 17.15.22 Join BryanJacobs [0] (n=braujac@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-24-88.wireless.rochester.edu) 17.20.59 # my english is to bad i dont understand all 17.21.06 # * r0b- loves his sansa e250 running rockbox :) 17.21.58 # chrissXcross: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-19700010.2.10 17.23.23 # what the hell is mandelbrot i run it but i dont understand it Xd 17.27.03 # * pondlife is somewhat unhappy that timestretch (FS#8894) still has a delta of +3170... anyone got ideas on how to reduce that? 17.27.23 Join AndrewJ [0] (n=chatzill@71-14-69-177.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 17.27.50 Join Bushman [0] (i=bushman@xdsl-7687.bielsko.dialog.net.pl) 17.27.57 # ave! 17.28.17 # pondlife: Integrate it into the codecs? :-P 17.28.32 # hehe, that just hides it, no? 17.29.04 # for waht is mandelbrot an waht isit 17.29.08 # Well, the codec buffer's already allocated either way. Using up more of it doesn't cost anything 17.29.22 # chrissXcross: It's a visualization of the mandelbrot set. Please, read the manual and use Google before asking in here. 17.29.40 # Llorean: Most of that delta is code, I think. 17.30.08 # Binary delta is +3124, RAM delta is +3216 17.30.09 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set 17.30.36 # what format do demos have to be in for rockbox? 17.30.50 # pondlife: So just duplicate the code in every single plugin, and just put the enable/disable in the core. :-P But in all seriousness, timestretch is a pretty significant feature for audiobook readers (and probably for voice, if it would let us set voice-speeds on target instead of in-voicefile) 17.30.59 # r0b-: "demos"? 17.31.11 # like the fireworks 17.31.24 # Llorean: So, in summary, you'd think that delta is reasonable? 17.31.29 # it is a image from Benoit Mandelbrot 17.31.48 # r0b-: All plugins are C programs 17.32.17 # ok 17.32.23 # pondlife: If it works reliably for speeding and slowing things, yes. I'd hope for future optimizations, but I'd honestly consider time stretch a "key" feature for anything spoken voice. 17.32.33 # well ive been wanting to learn C so i guess i will take a look 17.32.48 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 17.32.49 # it is ah zoom a zoom from ???? 17.35.15 Quit chrissXcross ("CGI:IRC") 17.37.05 # hmpf 17.37.31 # Rockboy really needs to be adapted to 2bpp hp 17.41.20 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.47.15 Join linuxguy3 [0] (n=timj@68.253.215.146) 17.48.39 Part pondlife 17.56.49 # where can i find compatibility list for rockbox firmwares? 17.57.20 # as in which devices it runs on?....go to http://rockbox.org 17.58.07 # wich sub-page 17.58.17 # The frontpage 17.59.00 # hmm.. 17.59.13 # uuuu... :( 17.59.21 # now i see it 18.02.12 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.03.50 # LambdaCalculus37: On the release notes for 3.3, I'm going to change the word "sync" from "And you can sync this album art, music and of course any other file" to be "copy" as sync might imply that Rockbox has a sync utility. Objections? 18.05.03 # I definitely like to avoid the word "sync" 18.05.07 # It seems to come with implications. 18.06.56 # evilnick_7: Llorean has a point there. 18.07.27 # Isn't he agreeing with me? Also, I'd like to put that paragraph into the passive voice. 18.07.36 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 18.08.00 # i.e. "we've been adding a number of" would become "A number of ... were added" 18.08.31 # did anyone did any attempts with rockchips? 18.08.48 # like RK2706? 18.09.06 # Check the New Ports subform. 18.09.12 # sub-forum* 18.10.16 Part BryanJacobs ("Leaving.") 18.11.08 # k, thanks 18.11.14 # found some thread 18.12.07 Quit martian67 (Remote closed the connection) 18.16.05 Join benny[1] [0] (n=guest196@123.255.29.8) 18.17.17 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 18.17.23 # hey does anyone know if there's any work being done to add a pdf viewer to rockbox? 18.17.34 Quit martian67 (SendQ exceeded) 18.17.54 # These devices are pretty ridiculously unsuitable for such a thing 18.17.58 # So it seems pretty unlikely. 18.18.03 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 18.18.30 # hmm, I have a video ipod and the screen is just big enough that it'd be readable 18.18.48 # the apple firmware only comes with a textfile reader tho 18.19.18 # The iPod video also has a very, very slow processor 18.19.32 # is pdf processing quite intensive? 18.19.43 # it depends on the pdf 18.19.49 # it seems to run doom ok :) 18.20.03 # well, pretty low frame rate actually, but... 18.20.03 # doom was originally written for 486 PCs 18.20.04 # You can make quite simple PDFs, but then you may as well just convert them to text files. 18.20.11 # oh yep 18.20.48 # may just look for a file converter program then, thanks for the tips 18.21.38 Quit benny[1] ("Yummy, like ircing on a cake! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]") 18.22.00 Join SeaWeed [0] (n=SeaWeed@c-67-187-7-172.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 18.25.16 Join petur [0] (n=peter@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.31.52 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=441ba49d@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 18.33.03 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 18.34.50 # pixelma: did a few more tests about the 404 issue. It's not present anymore in svn but reproduceable with 1.2.1 and 1.2 18.35.38 Join notlistening [0] (n=tom@94-195-105-95.zone9.bethere.co.uk) 18.35.45 # nice it's fixed but needs another "release" then, I guess 18.37.23 # bluebrother, modified rbutil and generated my ,takj fuke through linux yesterday ;) slow but that can be improved with a change 18.37.46 # my talk files using SAPI 18.38.08 # nice to hear. 18.39.47 # hmm... 18.39.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.40.09 # should be much faster as is with windows but need to test that 18.42.24 # the thread about rockchips has ended 2 months ago and no newer posts till now :( 18.43.06 # Bushman: That means that there hasn't been any progress OR that whoever is working on it hasn't posted - if there's a Wiki page then check that too. 18.43.19 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 18.43.35 # to bad that there's no progress 18.44.04 # it's a cool hardware but the keys mapping sucks a bit 18.44.25 # for example "play" button is maped to "delete" in folder view 18.44.27 # :P 18.44.47 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.45.11 # and the EQ is accesible via main menu>config and not from playback screen 18.45.31 # really? 18.45.38 # seems like a step back from e200 18.46.03 # maybe, don't know what's e200 18.46.37 # sansa e200 18.46.49 # besides the volume-up button's long press is not "fast volume up" but some crapy loop feature 18.47.00 # does anyone actualy use it 18.47.01 # ? 18.47.37 # Bushman: the original firmware of some random player is a off-topic here 18.47.40 # kugel: (In case you hadn't read the logs) We were talking about the rockchips player(s) [and beginning to veer into off-topic-ness] 18.47.45 # May I ask you to keep the discussion on the topic (which is rockbox, not what the OF does on some unsupported player) 18.47.56 # pixelma: sorry 18.48.32 # ok 18.48.52 # so what can you guys tell me about rockchips and rockbox? 18.49.03 # is it a compleet no-go right now? 18.49.54 # Bushman: All we know is in the forum/wiki (unless by chance someone here was involved in either of those) so if you've read those then you know all the current information 18.49.58 # maybe there's an option to compile rockbox as .RKP? 18.50.17 # There is not. 18.51.31 # Bushman: Unfortunately, Rockbox is not available as a magic wand you can wave and have Rockbox instantly running on your device. 18.53.35 # i'm ugly, not S T U P I D -_-' 18.54.13 # looks like i'm a persona non grata here... 18.54.16 # bye 18.54.20 Part Bushman 18.55.27 # * amiconn wonders whether it would make sense to put the windows langids (for sapi) into the .lang files 18.57.06 # obo: Did you see the message about weekly updates on the dev mailing list? 18.57.54 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 19.00.04 Quit martian67 (Remote closed the connection) 19.00.35 # AlexP: yes, was going to respond this weekend. My progress so far has been too slow for my liking. 19.01.04 # What is the current news? 19.02.17 # Unhelpful: ping 19.02.38 # me bashing my head against the steep learning curve (for me) that is disassembly. As I said in community, I've found GPIO bits to turn the LCD white, and to shut it off, and code to reset the device 19.02.57 # That's something :) 19.02.57 # obo: nice progress !! 19.03.28 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.03.38 # obo: I suspect this code for turning LCD backlight must not be far from the lcd_init and lcd_write_cmd / lcd_write_data functions 19.03.48 Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@79.97.85.223) 19.03.51 # yes, but it doesn't seem like much yet! 19.04.36 # I think funman means that related functionality is often close to each other in the firmware 19.05.00 # obo: you can't go back, so this is something you have acquired now. Other findings will come in their time 19.05.41 # funman: thanks. yes, hopefully the LCD code is revatively close together 19.05.58 # And once you have found the lcd functions (usually they are easy to implement), this will speed up testing a lot, so other findings will follow shortly 19.07.02 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.07.25 Join AndrewJ_ [0] (n=chatzill@71-14-69-177.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 19.07.47 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.08.36 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 19.09.04 # Unhelpful: when you get a chance I'd like to ask you about huffman coding again 19.09.07 Quit martian67 (SendQ exceeded) 19.10.08 Join martian67 [0] (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) 19.10.54 # obo: did you find the GPIO for LCD backlight in the OF or from experimentation ? I don't see the GPIO on SansaView wiki page 19.14.09 Join milky [0] (n=milky@a213-22-140-115.cpe.netcabo.pt) 19.15.29 Join BryanJacobs [0] (n=braujac@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-24-88.wireless.rochester.edu) 19.15.52 Quit AndrewJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.17.17 # New commit by 03funman (r21247): FS#10309 : Sets reasonable timeouts for data access in the SD driver ... 19.18.02 # I just found that we don't check if the data transfer succeeded when selecting the bank 19.18.49 # That could very well be a/the source of problems people mention on the forums : FAT driver using a 2/4/8GB partition, and SD driver only having access to the first 1GB 19.20.13 Part milky ("Leaving") 19.20.32 # I hope to get some handle on the e200v2 radio problems soon ... 19.21.11 # bertrik, i have some info on that for you just need to add it to the forumn as i posted it in the wrong place before 19.21.35 # funman, about the clip button driver: I think we can just call button_read_device three times at initialisation to get an initial state and we can stop using the kernel tick 19.22.03 # notlistening, positive news I hope 19.22.18 # bertrik: that's 1 more line of code than sleep() button_read_device() ;) 19.23.04 # the kernel tick is already present, but interrupts were enabled only when needed (for the storage driver) 19.23.26 # oh I thought the kernel tick was done in interrupt context (from the timer interrupt) 19.23.37 # funman: I thought you wanted to respect the freeze? 19.24.12 # bertrik: true, the interrupt doesn't happen before we enable_irq(), but the tick is functional 19.24.19 # or is it not going to affect other Sansas 19.24.19 # I assumed the freeze doesn't apply to currently unsupported targets 19.24.28 # in which case, ignore me 19.24.30 # pixelma: i only modified Sansa AMS in this commit, I left the PP/AMS diff for after the freeze 19.24.36 Join perrikwp [0] (i=18ac0c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7cf9a38ba54d137e) 19.25.41 # bertrik: yes, sorry - I assumed that was the change affecting the PP ones too when just reading the message here 19.26.21 # bertrik, umm only that i managed toget radio working in the oOF as there are bugs in the wiki version that is being used for develpment but this may be a sticking point 19.26.33 # that's what the first patch I posted to FS#10309 did, so you're all excused pixelma ;) 19.27.50 # notlistening, what do you mean by bugs in the wiki version, is that something we can fix? 19.27.51 # phew :) 19.28.27 # New commit by 03funman (r21248): Sansa AMS storage driver: restart bank selection if data transfer failed, and precise a comment about retry variable 19.28.35 # no this is the release firmware weare uing from sandisk that has some parcularities 19.28.38 Quit HBK () 19.28.40 # notlistening, so you got your radio working in the OF even if it didn't originally work in the OF? 19.28.44 # but this could be causing problems with rockbox 19.31.11 # IMO rockbox should be able to run regardless of the state that the OF leaves it in 19.31.31 # the state of the hardware I mean 19.32.10 # bluebrother: your response in the forum reminds me of the second part of my question yesterday: why does it (do we want) to place the downloaded manual in the root of my player? I expected and would want to chose where it will be saved (as I can't view the pdf or zipped html on my player anyways) 19.32.25 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 19.34.25 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.35.42 # funman: experimentation - for (int i = 0; i <= 31; i++) GPIO_CLEAR_BITWISE(GPIOB_OUTPUT_VAL, 1< I understand feature freeze will end today with the 3.3 branching ? 19.36.32 # obo: if you make sure which bit exactly controls the backlight, you can look in the OF for references to this GPIO bit , 19.36.58 # funman: but it might be more than just the backlight - I think it's actually shutting down the LCD itself 19.37.53 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0053@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 19.37.55 # then I suppose a reference to this bit would be very close to the lcd init procedure ;) 19.38.05 # funman: but yes, I was hoping to be able to reference any findings back to the disassembly 19.38.12 Join stripwax5443 [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.38.30 # if the OF programmers cared about battery life they would write it just prior the lcd init itself 19.38.49 # funman: caring about battery life in the bootloader? 19.40.07 # i think i would do that, i also think that like us they used the same code for bootloader and the OF.mi4, but you're the one who knows 19.42.34 # okay, makes sense to reuse it. 19.46.53 Join AndrewJ [0] (n=chatzill@71-14-69-177.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 19.49.39 Join AndrewJ__ [0] (n=chatzill@71-14-69-177.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 19.54.07 Quit AndrewJ_ (Connection reset by peer) 19.55.32 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.30 Quit AndrewJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.58.15 # pixelma: the reason is simply that it was the easiest solution when I implemented it. If we want it to ask for a location we can of course change it. 20.01.03 Quit Tristan (Client Quit) 20.03.39 Join Tristan [0] (n=Tristan@i.dont.want.to.die.virgin.net.in) 20.07.24 Join AndrewJ [0] (n=chatzill@71-14-69-177.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 20.12.24 # bluebrother: that's what I would wish - but wouldn't give it a high priority. Maybe others could state their opinions too 20.12.50 Join piergiu [0] (n=pj@host-78-15-96-129.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 20.13.08 Part piergiu ("Sto andando via") 20.15.19 # pixelma: well, at least I agree that it would be nicer :) 20.15.46 Quit AndrewJ__ (Connection reset by peer) 20.16.24 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 20.17.13 # interested in a svn build? Given the 404 issues it might be a good idea to do a new release soon 20.19.30 Quit funman ("leaving") 20.22.33 Quit AndrewJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.24.42 Part BryanJacobs ("Leaving.") 20.30.27 # bluebrother: wouldn't mind trying if you compile one for me 20.32.40 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 20.35.14 # pixelma: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutilqt-svn.zip 20.35.47 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 20.39.11 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.39.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.40.20 # * pixelma wonders wether the latest downloadable c200 bootloader already has the boot into the OF on USB from an off-state removed 20.41.11 # pixelma: only the one on FS 20.42.35 # pity, I would totally have tried bootloader installation with RBUtil otherwise. Or can I point it to another download link? 20.43.18 # my c200 bootloader is so old that it still has the "e200" string in it ;) 20.44.46 Quit r0b- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.44.47 Quit stripwax5443 ("http://miranda-im.org") 20.44.50 # exact bootloader version shouldn't matter for testing rbutil 20.45.02 Join r0b- [0] (n=nnscript@adsl-76-236-182-214.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.46.02 # yes, but I wanted some incentive to actually replace the old bootloader 20.53.01 # * bertrik wonders why we are using the ams sansa timers in 16- bit mode instead of 32-bit mode 20.57.56 # bluebrother: first testing with my Ondio - the download (with button) works correctly now, also the "open in browser" ones. I also creation of some talk clips (SAPI engine). Minor "glitch" for theme installation (though I would have no idea how to prevent that, except maybe check for the existence of the .rockbox dir) - theme installation would install the theme anyways although I disconnected the Ondio's main "disk" and inserteed the MMC, so it 20.57.56 # installed onto the MMC (creating the .rockbox dir) 20.58.27 # I don't know if that can happen on other targets too, but on the Ondio you can only have access to one or the other 20.59.08 # it's not a big deal as it doesn't do harm 21.02.04 Nick J-23 is now known as basement-cat (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 21.02.12 Nick basement-cat is now known as J-23 (n=zelazko@unix.net.pl) 21.02.19 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@188.16.84.45) 21.02.50 # wasn't aware that the ondio has excluding access 21.03.50 # but installing .talk clips worked correctly, even on the MMC 21.08.37 Quit JdGordon| ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.08.47 Join JdGordon| [0] (i=836b0066@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-160645316dcce5bb) 21.10.31 # bluebrother: in the "are you sure you really want to download" box, why are the buttons labeled "yes" / "no" when in my German windows? Not that I mind much but it surprised as the rest of the UI is translated (guessing for some qt related weirdness though) 21.11.03 # the download itself worked with my c200 as well 21.17.11 Quit __lifeless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.17.40 Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.19.42 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.20.47 Quit Torne (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.30.35 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.24 # pixelma, bluebrother: I guess this is the same problem that quassel also used to have: the translation of standard dialogs is part of Qt, not of rbutil's translation 21.31.49 # Fixing it requires including (at least some of) the Qt translations in the static build 21.31.52 # iirc 21.33.23 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.03 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCDB3E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.34.41 # bluebrother: trying to install a latest available bootloader on my c200 now and testing - limited access detection worked correctly, bootloader installation did too 21.35.29 # * pixelma thinks "Boot Ver. 5.0" sounds odd 21.38.02 Join evilnick_6 [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-41f395b32973d539) 21.44.21 Join Ramone [0] (n=c2d45e8f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-bef5c85ce3467a57) 21.44.45 Quit wark (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.44.55 # Hey 21.46.03 Quit Ramone (Client Quit) 21.46.55 # oh lame.. there is still alist item alignment issue when you go up folders :( 21.47.25 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.54.17 Join Zandro [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-66-122-182-92.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) 21.55.31 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r21249): Allow building beastpatcher with libmtp 0.2.[0-5]. 21.57.59 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.04 # saratoga: i'll try to help if i can. i don't really have any uncommon knowledge of that. :) 22.01.40 # Llorean: i don't know that scaled and thresholded fonts would produce very nice results. i would suggest for such a purpose that we add a 2x or 3x mono bitmap blit rather than attempt to use the scaler. 22.01.47 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.15.47 Join Torne [0] (i=torne@lowell.wolfpuppy.org.uk) 22.24.21 Quit Torne (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.31.38 Join midgey|w [0] (i=836b0052@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-98544e74c166bece) 22.35.12 Quit Zandro ("Please insert 25ยข to continue") 22.36.06 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r21250): call default_event_handler() in action_userabort() for events other than ACTION_STD_CANCEL, so things like usb events work properly. This partly fixes ... 22.36.24 # * gevaerts had hoped for a magical fix for all issues 22.37.35 Join Torne [0] (i=torne@lowell.wolfpuppy.org.uk) 22.38.08 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85-169-201-135.rev.numericable.fr) 22.39.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.56 # New commit by 03bertrik (r21251): Minor nitpick: don't do |= on the write-only GPIOA_IC register 22.45.34 Join bigtomrodney [0] (n=tom@78.16.108.250) 22.46.12 # can anyone with an e200v2 try my patch on fs#10267? 22.48.25 Quit evilnick_6 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.51.06 Quit midgey|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 22.54.03 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.54.08 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-100-140.net.novis.pt) 22.54.48 # hello :-) 22.55.00 Join midgey|w [0] (i=836b0052@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-050e6330cc5e3a5d) 22.55.57 # I would like to know if I could make a hardware player but using one "VS1053 - Ogg Vorbis/MP3/AAC/WMA/MIDI audio codec", and if so, what would be the RAM needed for running Rockbox 22.56.59 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 23.02.17 # casainho: it depends on the display then I guess, and how much plugin etc ability you want 23.02.37 # assuming you then wouldn't use any rockbox sw codecs 23.02.55 # casainho: you would probably also get some hefty porting work 23.03.07 # is there a way to retrieve the filename for a tmpfile() file? 23.06.45 # wont adding a new hwcodec mean bassically fully reimplementing mpeg.c? 23.08.10 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.09.14 # Bagder: I am seeing to much troubles making a ARM9 board, because of BGA packages. I was thinking if I could use an ARM7 + that VS1053, so, I need to know how many SDRAM I would need for a LCD of 320x240 23.09.32 # is there any Rockbox target with hardware codec and color LCD? 23.09.49 # no 23.10.01 # and color is not the only factor 23.10.16 # casainho: by doing that you're really going to make something that nobody wants 23.11.00 # gevaerts: ah... I think I understand.... :-( 23.11.35 # I was looking for some ARM SoC for this kind of project... but, without being BGA package 23.16.24 # yeah, I figure many/most SoCs are bga 23.17.12 Join hd [0] (n=jd@d72-38-47-97.commercial1.cgocable.net) 23.17.51 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 23.19.26 Join HellDragon_ [0] (n=jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.19.29 Quit HellDragon_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.21.59 # that ones from VLSI are TQFP :-) 23.22.33 # so, ARM7 + VLSI = TQFP, which is cheap for boards and simple tecnhology 23.23.03 # and boring 23.23.05 # probably, but you'll get something with about the capabilities of a $3 chinese DAP 23.23.09 # Bagder: Did you spot funman's request a couple of days ago (in IRC) to remove mkamsboot-1.0 from the download servers? He unintentionally added the ability to patch untested OF versions, so wants to withdraw that release. 23.23.26 # linuxstb: ah no, I missed that. will comply 23.23.28 # and by using something that is already outdated, you're pretty much killing commercial prospects. 23.23.54 # Bagder: Thanks. Will it automatically get removed from the mirrors? 23.23.59 # yes 23.24.46 Quit casainho (Remote closed the connection) 23.25.04 Quit HBK (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.25.41 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.25.46 Quit kadoban (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.26.10 Quit msi ("leaving") 23.26.15 Quit HellDragon (Connection timed out) 23.31.59 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Fwump") 23.32.06 # * linuxstb wonders if that VS1053 DSP comes with docs... 23.32.52 # linuxstb: you're thinking it might be somewhat *less* of an albatross on the projects neck if we could write codecs for it? :) 23.33.20 # Unhelpful: Could be fun... 23.33.47 # There is an obvious lack of any lossless formats. 23.34.00 # midi! ;-) 23.34.16 Quit barrywardell () 23.34.21 # i wonder how well lossless formats work on DSP architectures. they tend to use rather different techniques than lossy. 23.34.44 # it claims wav support 23.35.01 # http://www.vlsi.fi/fileadmin/datasheets/vlsi/vs1053.pdf 23.35.55 # amazing. Using beastpatcher on WXP to send the Rockbox bootloader results in the device rejecting it but works using a dualboot nk.bin. Using beastpatcher on linux and it works fine. WTF...? 23.35.57 Quit hd (Success) 23.36.13 # "This product is protected by certain intellectual property rights of Microsoft and cannot be used or further distributed without a license from Microsoft." 23.36.14 # ! 23.36.40 # nice, yet another MS tax :) 23.37.17 # "contains AAC technology (ISO/IEC 13818-7 and ISO/IEC 14496-3) which cannot be used without a proper license from Via Licensing Corporation or individual patent holders." 23.37.24 # what a mess 23.37.44 # Bagder: Yes, I'm just reading that pdf - it seems quite thorough on first glance... 23.39.12 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.39.36 Quit HBK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.39.48 Part bigtomrodney ("Ex-Chat") 23.40.57 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@pool-71-96-74-73.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.40.59 # http://www.egnite.de/produkte/embedded-systeme/elektor-internet-radio-10.html 23.41.07 # looks like what casainho spoke about 23.44.10 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 23.45.01 # bertrik: the sansa ams use the timer in 16 bits mode because it "ought to be enough for everybody" 23.45.02 Quit krazykit ("Connection reset by beer") 23.47.04 # funman, using it in 32-bit mode makes all of the prescaler stuff unnecessary so the code even gets smaller 23.47.37 # I see only advantages in using it in 32-bit mode (assuming the datasheet is correct) 23.47.43 Quit HBK () 23.48.33 # 32-bit mode allows timeouts up to 178 seconds 23.49.33 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.23 # I think we're also a tiny step closer to solving the e200v2 radio mystery 23.52.39 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.57 # funman, I think the sansa clip alternative button driver is ready for commit, do you still see any problems / objections to it? 23.54.38 # I think I supposed 32bits operation would be more complex for the hardware, just by seeing 16bits is the default. 23.58.41 # it's a mystery to me why it even has a 16-bit mode