--- Log for 07.08.109 Server: simmons.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 5 days ago 00.00.30 Quit anewuser (Client Quit) 00.00.41 Join truthtaco_ [0] (n=truthtac@adsl-67-35-87.aby.bellsouth.net) 00.01.09 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.3.0-rc1") 00.01.31 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 00.06.38 Quit barrywardell (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.11 Quit AsaelReiter ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.12.40 Quit evilnick ("Page closed") 00.13.42 Quit webguest58 ("CGI:IRC") 00.16.58 Quit TruthTaco (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.11 Quit Strife89 ("Gotta go.") 00.23.36 Quit ender` (" To err is human; to moo bovine.") 00.24.08 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.28.02 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.32.24 Quit DarkSpectrum (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.55 Join DarkSpectrum [0] (n=ZX@c-67-167-179-42.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.46.55 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.53.09 Join comandante [0] (n=can@88.246.251.219) 00.53.24 Part comandante 00.53.51 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 00.59.57 Quit bertrik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.03.41 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.07.36 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 01.09.57 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 01.10.24 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.10.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.29 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]") 01.20.50 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@c-68-45-191-214.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 01.30.49 Quit DarkSpectrum (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.33.03 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.42.05 Part captainkwel 02.00.42 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 02.00.45 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-159-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.02.57 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.10.17 # kugel: you had a YH-xxx player right? You should compile a bootloader for it, check that it works, and then post test builds so that we have a bootloader ready for release 02.11.00 # I don't think anyone else besides me has one :( 02.11.34 # pyro and lowlight too i think 02.11.46 # but i'm sure if you post builds and link them on ABI someone will test 02.11.49 # also, it's a "pp" bootloader, we actually have released bootloader for it 02.12.12 # well for other targets 02.12.18 # the drivers won't be entirely the same though 02.12.32 # yea, sure 02.12.56 # I think the 6.0 can be used for this one too though 02.12.58 # can you tag and version a bootloader for it? 02.13.02 # yeah sounds good 02.13.29 # I'll look at it tomorrow, the pp bootloader need tagging anyway 02.13.36 # ok cool 02.13.44 # maybe we could release for it in a week or so if no bugs crop up 02.14.36 # but I really would like low_light to give his blessing 02.15.27 # sadly, he's rarely online and apparently more busy with the philips daps 02.16.10 # well 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fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.25.11 # I wonder if we need to put logic in to make sure tags dont show up in screens where they dont make sense.. 02.25.21 # saratoga: meh, just busy work :p 02.26.01 # but also, to generally clean it up a bit... maybe make the wps editor/checker easier to work with, make it easier to add skinning to screens 02.26.22 # skinning as in WPS for other screens? 02.26.33 # yes 02.28.35 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-146-209-238.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.33.29 # JdGordon_: I thought every screen defines his own set of tokens anyway 02.33.37 # or tags at least 02.33.58 Quit GeekShadow ("The cake is a lie !") 02.33.59 # do we want that though? how do we share tags? 02.34.03 # is that overkill? 02.35.02 # we could easily put the screen checking logic inside the parse logic for each token, or add it to the toekn table thingy 02.35.20 # I'm not sure 02.36.50 # we probably want to share some stuff (the obvious ones, %V, %T, image stuff), but that's all (IIUC) 02.37.13 # also, depending on how we do the statusbar, it might want to change tags if its in the menu with fm going, or with music going 02.37.18 # probably enough to do the fun 02.37.50 # gah, the statusbar is keeping you busy, isn't it? 02.40.14 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 02.40.35 Quit Unhelpful (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.43.35 Join JdGordon_ [0] (i=441db3c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-58796c04b07a0311) 02.43.42 # i fell off :p 02.43.43 # I still hink the best way to do the sb is to allow a seperate .skin file for it AND to add tags to the usual .wps for when the menu is being shown 02.45.02 # its not that its keeping me busy... its like the last bit of the origgional not-so-nice-to-look-at gui :) 02.46.23 Join bzed_ [0] (n=bzed@2001:6f8:118a:0:0:0:0:100) 02.48.47 Quit bzed (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.48.47 Nick bzed_ is now known as bzed (n=bzed@2001:6f8:118a:0:0:0:0:100) 02.49.44 Join Unhelpful [0] 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14.47.52 # how do you tell apart an ipod 3rd or 4th gen? It has 40GB and is black and white... 14.48.13 # manufactured 2004 14.48.16 # CQ there are pictures on the website 14.48.57 # The 3rd gen has buttons above the wheel. the 4th gen has no buttons above the wheel. http://build.rockbox.org/ 14.49.09 # ok,l 4th then, tahnks 14.50.02 # I'm trying to run the automatic detection, taking forever on XP :) 14.51.11 # CQ: The third gen has four buttons in a row just under the LCD. The 4th gen has the buttons on the wheel. 14.51.33 # * linuxstb realises stripwax just said that... 14.52.08 # * stripwax is rarely on irc at this hour in the day so takes no offence :) 15.09.13 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.09.27 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 15.10.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.26 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15.16.02 # Recording and playback are not possible at the same time on Rockbox; is this correct? 15.18.17 Quit kugel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.19.41 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-21-191-122.access.telenet.be) 15.22.33 # LambdaCalculus37: yes 15.25.01 # LambdaCalculus37: there are targets where this could be possible, but its not implemented at moment :-) 15.25.24 # domonoky: What is the restriction that prevents this? Just curious. 15.25.38 # I'm thinking it's buffering issues. 15.26.33 # LambdaCalculus37: restriction is mostly the audio hardware. not all audio chips can be switched to route audio in-> cpu -> out 15.27.31 # i think we mostly use the bypass in->out when we route fm audio for example. 15.32.38 # New commit by 03kugel (r22194): Samsung YH925: Support for battery monitoring and charging. Discharge curve not yet calibrated. 15.32.51 # New commit by 03kugel (r22195): Samsung YH925: Battery calibration for charging and dischharging. 15.33.00 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 15.38.53 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.40.59 Quit Utchybann ("I like core dumps") 15.41.14 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.58.55 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-99-182-52-92.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 16.00.13 # LambdaCalculus37, domonoky: I think several of our targets could do it 16.00.26 # buffering is certainly one problem 16.00.56 Join perrikwp [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 16.01.03 Part LinusN 16.06.36 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! 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I'm aware that the pcm code only pushes 16 bit audio, but are there similar restrictions on the sample rate? A number of targets have codec parts capable of 96khz, but it's unclear what rockbox would do with 16-bit 96khz audio. 20.13.18 # The playback engine is hard-coded to play everything back at 44.1KHz. 20.14.12 # Good to know 20.29.01 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.30.59 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 20.31.00 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.31.17 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.31.40 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.31.42 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.32.01 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 20.32.02 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.38.09 Join pixelma_ [50] (n=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.39.48 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.41.43 Quit stripwax__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.51 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.42.53 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.43.11 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 20.43.13 Join pixelma2 [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.43.13 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.44.56 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-12-3.mcn.bellsouth.net) 20.45.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.45.19 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.45.21 Join pixelma [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.45.39 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.48.44 Quit Riku (Nick collision from services.) 20.49.11 Join Lss__ [0] (n=Lss@cm60.delta93.maxonline.com.sg) 20.50.24 Join evilnick [0] (i=0c140464@gateway/web/freenode/x-dapopoiovwkwpmon) 20.50.50 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 20.50.52 Join pixelma2_ [0] (i=quassel@p54BD5557.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.50.59 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@ppp-69-216-120-135.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) 20.51.03 Nick pixelma2_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@p54BD5557.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.51.07 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.51.10 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.51.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.55.46 Join saratoga_ [0] (i=9803c264@gateway/web/freenode/x-jmuhzisinbwosmnu) 20.56.19 # ej0rge: for what its worth i don't think the playback engine is limited to 16 bit, just 44.1khz 20.56.56 # saratoga_: huh, I've heard some say that the use of DMA limits the word length to 16 bits 20.57.06 # depends on the target . . . 20.57.25 # each CPU has its own DMA hardware and not all use DMA for audio 20.59.48 Quit pixelma2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.02.04 # ah 21.03.01 # about once a month, someone on head-fi asks about 24/96 audio on portable devices such as the old irivers and the gigabeat F that have 24/96 codec parts 21.03.05 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtm166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 21.03.29 # And generally speaking the answer is "No" 21.07.16 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 21.08.33 # Say, is anyone else using FS#8806? I'm using the latest patch, and ITs won't play for me for some reason. 21.08.48 # I've been trying to figure out why. 21.09.28 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.09.40 Join perrikwp1 [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 21.10.39 # it's a pity that playback is limited to 44.1 kHz, I won't mind looking into adding support for 48 kHz for the devices I own 21.11.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.11.11 # is it actually hard limited? or can it be fixed with some fancy code? 21.12.16 # JdGordon|: the DSP code all assumes a 44.1khz sampling rate 21.12.28 # i think changing that would involve some work 21.12.29 Join perrikwp2 [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 21.12.55 Quit froggyman (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D") 21.13.00 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_the_British#Pommy :) 21.13.03 # woops 21.13.47 # i bet it would be possible to feed other sample rates through without too much reworking, provided you didn't mind disabling resampling, EQ, etc 21.14.18 # though i'm not sure how tightly coupled the sample rate is to PCM buffering 21.15.15 # though 48k is so close to 44.1, maybe resuing the existing filters would work well enough . . . 21.17.44 # 48k is _too_ close to 44.1 21.21.22 # I suppose for the EQ, we could still use the same filter, just update the setup of the coefficients 21.22.07 # The question is academic for me - all my music is 16/44.1 21.23.11 # maraz, what do you mean too close? 21.23.23 # bertrik: heh, irrelevant to this discussion, apparently 21.23.36 # resampling between 44.1 and 48 usually results in audible artifacts 21.23.56 # maraz: right - aliasing - but we're not talking about that 21.24.11 # as i said, irrelevant to this discussion 21.24.13 # maraz: there are some nutty people who have 24/96 audio they would like to carry around with them 21.25.08 # is the difference the same as lossless to lossy? i.e most people cant tell the difference? 21.25.24 # I think it would be interesting to see if a high quality upsampler pushing 44.1 to 88.2 on codecs that support it (as in the h100 and h300, and gigabeat F/X) might reduce the noise floor of the DAC 21.25.42 Quit perrikwp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.25.45 # i admit that it would probably not overcome the intrinsic noise in the rest of the DAP though 21.25.51 Join readability [0] (n=chad@206.248.173.89) 21.25.58 # JdGordon|: i think so 21.26.13 # ej0rge, can't the codec do the upsampling? (I think some already do) 21.26.21 Join atrus [0] (n=atrus@S0106001ee57a9819.ed.shawcable.net) 21.26.24 # bertrik: That may be 21.26.40 # or rather they have an interpolator often running at a much higher frequency than the sample rate 21.26.53 Part atrus ("Ex-Chat") 21.27.30 Join perrikwp [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 21.27.58 # bertrik: Some codec makers have been playing with that recently - ESS has a part with an upsampler that goes a bit over 1mhz if you're only pushing 2-channel audio through it 21.28.05 # NATIVE_FREQUENCY is the #define for 44.1 kHz audio 21.28.38 # it's used in pcmbuf.c, dsp.c playback.c and the mpegplayer plugin 21.28.59 Quit perrikwp1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.30 # the eq isn't even aware of the sample rate, it just gets handed fractional cutoff frequencies from dsp.c 21.30.31 # and I think pcmbuf.c and playback.c use the sample rate only for calculating times (fade in/out or for buffer watermarks) 21.31.20 Join perrikwp1 [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 21.34.40 # so it looks like the impact of allowing 48 kHz audio isn't really that big 21.35.22 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-159-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.36.53 Quit readabil1ty (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.58 # Interesting, though, the uda1380 datasheet lists the typical snr as 100db for 48khz or 97db for 96khz 21.41.19 Join perrikwp3 [0] (n=perrikwp@rrcs-96-10-92-228.se.biz.rr.com) 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode level 1 21.41.19 DBUG Sent KICK perrikwp2 to server 21.41.19 DBUG Sent KICK perrikwp to server 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode level 2 21.41.19 DBUG sent MODE #rockbox -b+b *!*n=Keith@*.se.biz.rr.com *!*@*.se.biz.rr.com 21.41.19 DBUG Sent KICK perrikwp1 to server 21.41.19 DBUG Enqueued KICK perrikwp3 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode level 3 21.41.19 DBUG sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=perrik*@*.se.biz.rr.com 21.41.19 Kick (#rockbox perrikwp2 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode level 4 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 104 21.41.19 Kick (#rockbox perrikwp :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 105 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 205 21.41.19 Mode "#rockbox -b+b *!*n=Keith@*.se.biz.rr.com *!*@*.se.biz.rr.com " by logbot (n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot) 21.41.19 Kick (#rockbox perrikwp1 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 206 21.41.19 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 306 21.41.20 DBUG Q-Sent KICK perrikwp3 to server 21.41.21 Kick (#rockbox perrikwp3 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot 21.41.21 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 307 21.41.21 *** Alert Mode *RED* level 407 21.45.54 Quit bertrik ("switching xorg drivers") 21.46.58 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 21.48.17 Part Zagor ("Client exiting") 21.48.25 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 21.49.31 Quit Zarggg () 21.49.52 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 21.51.22 *** Alert Mode OFF 21.53.58 Quit desowin_ ("KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3332, sources date: 20090703, built on: 2009/07/12 16:20:08 UTC 3332 http://www.kvirc.net/") 21.58.42 Quit LambdaCalculus37 () 22.04.15 Join efyx [0] (n=efyx@lap34-1-82-224-140-171.fbx.proxad.net) 22.08.12 Join jaykay [0] (n=chatzill@p5DDC752B.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.08.29 Quit dmb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.14.32 # ej0rge: The old irivers are limited to integer multiples and fractions of 44.1kHz sample rate, i.e. only 88.2/44.1/22.05/11.025 kHz are possible 22.15.06 # This is a coldfire i2s limitation; nothing we can do about that. The only exception is s/pdif *recording* 22.16.31 # Using DMA (which is highly recommended on coldfire as there is no equivalent of the ARM FIQ on coldfire) limits the sample depth to 16 bits 22.20.32 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@h55eb1105.dkvaval.sta.perspektivbredband.net) 22.24.26 # amiconn: OK, so theoretically 88.2khz playback is possible, but right now it sounds like only 44.1khz is implemented? 22.25.26 # 88.2kHz playback is possible from within plugins. The playback engine resamples *everything* to 44.1kHz because it is not prepared to handle sample rate switching during playback 22.26.08 # *nod* 22.26.14 # thanks for the clarification 22.26.55 Quit Bagder (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.26.55 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.26.55 Quit z35 (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.28.10 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.28.10 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@ool-45701ce5.dyn.optonline.net) 22.28.10 NJoin Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22.28.18 Quit evilnick ("Page closed") 22.30.09 # Also, the coldfire cannot handle 24 bit audio, the maximum is 20 bit. This would require handling ten-thousands of interrupts per seconds 22.31.27 Quit Bagder (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.31.27 NSplit simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.31.27 Quit z35 (simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.32.06 # that must drive it mad! :D 22.32.17 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.33.03 # JdGordon|: you may not believe it, but today I started to merge customlist into my git branch, which (at least) means I thought of doing some work on it :p 22.33.24 # oh noes! 22.34.07 # get it in asap so lambda can show it off in his presentation... 22.34.10 Quit Strife89 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.34 # may i ask what customlist is? 22.36.50 # you may not! 22.37.08 # ok... what is customlist? :P 22.37.28 # its a patch to put the lists in a rectangle anywhere in the screen you want 22.38.40 # i saw theres a new IAP patch 22.38.42 # and what help does this give? 22.38.46 # er... 22.38.46 # anyone want to take responsibility for it? 22.39.09 # I wanted tot look at it, but wont have time till sunday earliest 22.39.32 # it would be sweet if that magically made my ipod+stereo play nice 22.39.42 # jaykay: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/custom_list.png 22.39.42 Join Creposucre [0] (n=53c3f4eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-tlnppdehjixqvrgx) 22.40.24 # kugel: nice :) 22.40.35 # Hi 22.40.55 # what a waste (in the screenshot), not that I think it's totally uselss but I would never use it this way 22.41.33 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.41.33 # * JdGordon| also 22.41.33 # the benefit of the patch is is statusbar cleanup stuff 22.41.42 NHeal simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.41.42 NJoin z35 [0] (n=z35@ool-45701ce5.dyn.optonline.net) 22.42.21 # I posted a patch for ipod FM remote 22.42.32 # speak of the devil... 22.42.39 # we were just discussing that 22.42.41 # I'm going to hopefully look at it on sunday 22.42.47 # just wanted to know if someone is interested in it 22.43.26 # yeah it should go in, but we'll need people familar with that code to consent 22.43.35 # sure 22.44.01 # it's a first patch, so i guess quite a lot of things to change 22.44.09 # well, not too much i hope 22.45.53 NJoin Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 22.46.11 # Does someone is familiar with the radio code? 22.46.41 # not really 22.47.21 # buggers, don't crititse my patch!" 22.47.28 # :p 22.47.29 # lol 22.47.57 Quit FOAD ("I'll be back") 22.47.58 # I criticised your screenshot 22.49.08 # tests with interactive docks would be intesting too, if someone own one 22.49.33 # thats what I'm hopin you fixed... I have a alarm clock dock with controls which doesnt work atm 22.49.36 # bertrik and n1s are and they were on earlier today 22.49.42 # hopefully they will see this in the logs 22.50.04 # ok 22.50.30 # so, for the logs: 22.50.46 # there is some kind of authetifications packets in iap 22.51.10 # i didn't called it for the ipod remote and it works pretty well 22.51.37 # but i don't know if it lacks some stuffs for others hardware 22.51.47 Join FOAD [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.51.57 # i tried with severals in a hardware shop 22.52.17 # but not all the docks are "interactive" 22.53.10 # if you have some questions, no problem 22.55.34 # JdGordon: there is a patch is task 9951 to log iap packets 22.56.11 # JdGordon: in combination with the ipod remote patch, it could be useful to solve your problem 22.56.48 # i have a non-professional idea for the build system... would it make sense if the clients send a message to the master e.g. 10sec before he completes the build, and the buildmaster doesn't hand it out again after that? 22.57.14 # Creposucre: ok thanks 22.57.19 # JdGordon|: why? 22.57.23 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 22.57.25 # jaykay: how do they know they are 10s away from finishing? 22.57.46 # gevaerts: i got a 2nd reciever... this one uses the dock not a usb cable 22.58.02 # it very partially works with my video, but not at all with my mini 22.58.05 # maybe when they reached a file which is about ten seconds away from the end 22.58.13 # i don't know if thats possible 22.58.28 # jaykay: I don't see what benefit it would provide 22.58.30 # but it would prevent killing 3 builds in a few seconds 22.58.45 # jaykay: 10 seconds can be a long time, bootloaders e.g. can build in 3 seconds on some machines 22.58.58 # and 10 seconds would be a *guess* 22.59.16 # maybe other uncompleted builds can be handed out again which need longer to complete 22.59.18 # it could just as well take 15, or never complete 22.59.39 # and builds get killed if a different server is done with them (so had been distributed already) 22.59.47 # jaykay: yes, but that has nothing to do with the 10 seconds left... 22.59.54 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 22.59.57 # s/server/client 22.59.58 # ? 23.00.38 # I honestly believe that all complicated schemes are wrong 23.00.46 # is a random uncompleted build handed out again when a client is ready? 23.00.51 # no 23.00.52 # you said "doesn't hand it out again" but it had been already handed out to different clients - one was quicker than yours 23.01.08 # jaykay: they are never handed out randomly 23.02.02 # saratoga_: what am i supposed to see in the logs? :) 23.02.12 # pixelma: i know... i meant the master shouldn't hand it out in this last 10 seconds 23.02.24 # well, ok, it was just an idea :) 23.03.20 # n1s: discussion of radio changes in 10494 23.03.21 # jaykay: not handing it out again means that if your build crashes, it needs 10 seconds more to recover, and if it's a reasonably small build someone else could get it done faster anyway. What would this actually gain us? 23.03.55 # what if the client that signaled "I'm done in 10s" if that was even possible suddenly hangs? 23.04.54 # then my idea failed 23.05.56 # saratoga_: ok, I'll look tomorrow, slightly drunk now :D 23.11.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.11.42 Join GeekShado_ [0] (n=Antoine@163.115.69-86.rev.gaoland.net) 23.13.16 Join GeekShad__ [0] (n=Antoine@163.115.69-86.rev.gaoland.net) 23.26.29 Quit Creposucre ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.27.50 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.28.15 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 23.29.55 Quit GeekShadow (Success) 23.31.26 Quit GeekShado_ (Connection timed out) 23.38.14 Quit panni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.36 Quit jaykay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.42.44 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 23.47.09 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 23.49.37 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 23.50.29 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com)