--- Log for 25.09.109 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 11 hours ago 00.00.45 Quit liar|netbook (Remote closed the connection) 00.05.01 Quit saratoga (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.05.01 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.05.10 # New commit by 03bertrik (r22822): FS#9824: Fix FM channel spacing for Europe 00.06.10 Quit DerPapst1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.11.59 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.12.52 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 00.14.22 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.15.02 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.17.44 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 00.18.58 Quit niekie (Connection timed out) 00.19.45 Join webguest07 [0] (n=60231069@giant.haxx.se) 00.20.03 # how do I put videos on my ipod 00.20.32 # helllllo? 00.20.44 # 1300HELLLO 00.20.48 # 00hi 00.20.59 # 13anyone? 00.21.17 Quit webguest07 (Client Quit) 00.22.20 Quit DarkDefender (Remote closed the connection) 00.23.18 Quit esperegu (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.33.05 Part kkurbjun 00.33.21 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=pyro@91-64-165-18-dynip.superkabel.de) 00.33.39 Part pyro_maniac 00.34.21 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.36.33 Join efyx_ [0] (n=efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 00.38.11 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 00.42.17 # rasher: seems I forgot the $ 00.42.31 # no wait 00.42.33 # kugel: where? 00.42.41 # I'm talking about this: if [ $1 = "sdl" -a -z "$sdl"]; then 00.42.56 # you need the space, don't you? 00.43.09 # doesn't fix it though, so maybe not 00.43.25 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 00.43.43 # http://pastie.org/629708 should work 00.43.52 # ah, it does 00.43.58 Join intrados [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.44.14 # indeed there's no space. I thought it would fail with a syntax error? 00.44.20 # it did in simcc at least 00.44.29 # but you never reach crosswincc 00.44.37 # so it isn't run 00.44.59 # shell scripts are not precompiled 00.45.27 Quit intrados (Client Quit) 00.45.28 # alright, it makes sense then 00.45.46 # so the above patch and the space should work 00.46.00 NHeal (timeout) zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.46.07 # I don't see what you're doing in the first part? 00.46.11 # just removing quotes? Why? 00.46.46 # the second part does the other half 00.47.23 # That doesn't explain what the first part is supposed to be doing 00.47.42 # the quotes are removed so that the variables don't contain (so that the second part works, it would be "-mconsole """) 00.48.12 # no 00.48.14 # It wouldn't 00.48.19 # that's how I did it in simcc, and it works 00.48.20 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.48.28 # The quotes don't need to be removed 00.48.46 # I'm not sure they need to be there, but they don't do any harm 00.49.06 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.49.23 # so "abc" "xyz" is concated automatically? 00.49.49 # foo="bar" means foo contains the string bar, not "bar" 00.51.12 # ok so they don't actually matter 00.51.17 Quit mcuelenaere () 00.52.05 # can you commit the fix if it works for you? I can't test crosscompiling here 00.52.18 # yes 00.53.41 # cool 00.55.11 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.02.43 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.17 # New commit by 03kugel (r22823): Change that include to " " style to allow for using SDL from custom installation pathes. 01.05.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.06.58 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-14-159.net.novis.pt) 01.07.17 # hello :-) 01.07.28 # hey 01.07.29 # does Rockbox firmware have good audio quality? 01.07.46 # depends on the hardware 01.07.49 # how can we have a proof of that? 01.08.24 # I am trying to answer to this question: First of all: I think that the project goal is audio quality. So I ask: what is necessary for the BEST audio quality? Is it possible only with more expensive components or Arm bords can give the best audio quality all around? 01.08.44 # but it has some dsp effects which may improve the "felt" quality/listening experience 01.09.05 # the CPU architecture chosen has nothing at all to do with audio quality 01.09.23 # hmmm... I tought that math calculations made by Rockbox firmware could be done in a way to have the best audi quality possible 01.09.38 # they are indeed supposed to, yes 01.09.39 # unless the drivers are buggy, the software doesn't really have an effect on the SQ (except if you add effects) 01.10.12 # the codecs might be buggy, but our codecs are fine I think 01.10.30 # at wiki page WhyRockbox: "Another top priority of Rockbox is audio playback quality." 01.11.03 # what that means? how developers make make the best audio quality? 01.11.20 # casainho - is your question "which audio device has the best audio hardware in it" or is the question "does the rockbox code focus on sound quality or performance"? 01.11.41 # stripwax: he's just asking whether rockbox sounds like crap or not 01.12.23 # or is it even, from a development point of view as an interested programmer might want to ask, "HOW does the rockbox code ensure that good audio decoding sound quality is ensured" 01.12.35 # to answer to 01.12.50 # stripwax: yes, is that last qestion 01.12.58 # In my opinion, Rockbox does not sound like crap, and I have used other proprietary (original) firmwares that, again in my opinion, sounded like crap 01.13.19 # I never heard any differences between OFs and rockbox 01.13.20 # so, what is the answer to that question? 01.13.43 # nice to read about this subject: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/09/24/sandisk-our-sound-fidelity-isn%E2%80%99t-perfect/ 01.14.02 # casainho: what is the question? 01.14.08 # casainho - quick answer is: lots of 64-bit math for fixed-point calculations, rather than 32-bit math, to ensure no truncation or loss of precision. long answer is: read the code and take a look for yourself :-) 01.14.19 # gevaerts: HOW does the rockbox code ensure that good audio decoding sound quality is ensured 01.15.07 # casainho - rockbox also uses and borrows from existing implementations of codecs (e.g. libmad, tremor), and where possible ensures that these libraries are built with options to ensure best sound quality enabled, rather than options for ensuring best CPU performance 01.15.34 # * stripwax reboots momentarily 01.15.38 Quit stripwax (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.15.52 # it can't *ensure* it. it can just avoid known problems (what stripwax mentioned). But most of our codecs are based of codecs used in desktop applications, and those have gone through numerious tests 01.16.00 # stripwax: ok, thanks :-) -- because I were looking at the wiki page to get that answer. Now I can answer to the original forum question: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=comment/reply/4/26#comment-26 01.16.23 # casainho: to bobs earlier question 01.16.46 # the // tree is even preferred 01.17.08 # kugel: "to bobs" ? -- "the // tree is even preferred" ?? 01.17.17 # kugel: what's the point of the -a -z "$sdl" ? 01.17.34 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 01.17.52 # rasher: $sdl is empty if sdl-config doesn't exist 01.17.55 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.18.10 # Looks like that the check is even wrong 01.18.13 # In which case you run sdl-config? That doesn't seem prudent 01.18.36 # should be -n indeed 01.19.15 # casainho: you were asking earlier whether to use gigabeat f code or not 01.19.51 # which then led to the question how to integrate lyre code into the target tree (target tree = everything in firmware/target) 01.20.42 # kugel: yes. For now it's like this: http://lyre.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/lyre/lyre/file/e87951645fe9/rockbox-lyre_proto_2 01.21.20 # yes that is fine that way 01.21.37 # did you receive the board already? 01.21.43 # kugel: Ok. It was made by Bob. 01.22.01 # kugel: no, nor me nor Bob. It may take 1 month... 01.22.19 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.22.32 # $85 looks damn cheap, especially if you pay in euros 01.22.59 # * kugel thinks about getting one 01.23.00 # kugel: we are thinking that this board/Lyre prototype can be a king of car/house Rockbox player. 01.24.19 # kugel: just go ahead :-) -- I was thinking in sending an e-mail to Rockbox dev. list, for asking others developers to join us, because that board have all needed, so, it's just coding -- and we have all information available :-) 01.26.24 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.27.13 # kugel: after shipment price and insurance, I paid €83.78, $119.99. Here is the board ready to buy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330347264425 01.27.41 # *can be a kind of car/house Rockbox player. 01.28.19 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC47B.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.28.23 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Fwump") 01.28.48 # that's not the same offer you showed us some days ago? 01.29.20 # New commit by 03rasher (r22824): Syntax fixes and logic reversing to fix windows crosscompiling for the simulator. 01.31.54 Quit Strife89 ("If you hold a Linux shell up to your ear, you can hear the C.") 01.35.56 # casainho: why didn't you go for the other one? 01.36.36 # kuh 01.36.44 # kugel: what other one? 01.36.46 # the one for $85 01.36.53 # http://cgi.ebay.com/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 01.37.18 # same hardware, less $$$ and a bit more on the dvd 01.38.06 # kugel: I think that because the shipment price where higher 01.38.48 # shipping is $15 only 01.38.50 # kugel: anyway, I already bought it. Also I know that I wanted insurance, maybe that's why I decided by that. I don't know. 01.39.23 # is $30.00 for me in Europe 01.40.14 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 01.41.06 # kugel: well, maybe that's a best option that seller :-) 01.42.06 # kugel: will you buy it? :-) 01.42.18 # I need to think about it 01.42.49 # it has an sd slot which is awesome 01.44.43 # kugel: sd? are you joking? 01.45.04 # kugel: people wants HDD on this king of board 01.45.42 # people == you? 01.46.09 # no me, Bob and others 01.46.30 # others like this fan: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=comment/reply/4/26#comment-26 01.46.49 # I don't really care who wants a hdd and who doesn't 01.46.51 # I really like SD Cards :-) 01.47.03 Join moos [0] (i=mostafa@rockbox/staff/moos) 01.47.03 # it has a slot, and I like that 01.47.40 # kugel: ok. A SD Card slot and connections to SoC is very simple :-) 01.47.49 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 01.53.13 # kugel: you like SD Card? so, the ARMopendous boards that uses NXP ARM9 LPC313x can boot from SD Card, which I think is great :-) 01.53.39 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.19 # * JdGordon| is damn temped to buy one of them boards 01.56.41 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-241-46.slkc.qwest.net) 02.00.12 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.00.46 # JdGordon|: but for put Rockbox on it or for Linux or something like that? 02.01.34 # rockbox, and then maybe some fun experimenting 02.02.05 # JdGordon|: ok, but it, BUY IT!! :-) 02.02.22 # we would be then 4 developers :-) 02.02.31 # is all the code and stuff they give ok for us to use? gpl compatable? 02.02.38 # we would have a port in 5 days :-) 02.03.22 # JdGordon|: I don't know. I just know that the SoC is the same as the GigaBeat Rockbox port. 02.03.23 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 02.03.23 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.03.38 # * JdGordon| heds home 02.03.40 # and they give us all the datasheets. 02.03.46 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.04.04 # I will go also :-) bye bye 02.04.07 Quit casainho ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]") 02.04.17 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.04.25 # Full docs, some code, and similar to a port we have already? 02.04.25 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 02.04.26 Quit moos (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.06.00 Join moos [0] (i=mostafa@rockbox/staff/moos) 02.08.40 # JdGordon: they ship linux with it 02.08.42 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.52 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCC47B.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.11.37 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.13.55 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host14-176-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.14.28 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=Miranda@70-1-20-252.pools.spcsdns.net) 02.16.15 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 02.16.48 # * kugel is damn tempted as well 02.17.29 # that's a gigabeat f with touchscreen, sd card slot, lan and other stuff for 80€ 02.17.49 # the lan part could be fun... 02.18.36 # Mulitplayer Doom! 02.19.02 # I see it coming: A land + tcp/ip implementation for GSoC 2010 02.19.08 # lan* 02.19.30 # well... I was thinking more for remote storage+control 02.19.49 # hook that up to my a/v system would be freeking sweet 02.23.56 Quit Strife89 ("X.") 02.26.39 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.27.20 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 02.28.28 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.34.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.36.47 Quit Strife89 ("Restarting X.") 02.38.46 Quit Curulan () 02.39.16 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 02.39.34 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.49.01 Join Mataamad [0] (n=nospam@111.69.242.40) 02.49.36 Join neoarch [0] (n=neoarch@rrcs-97-77-48-15.sw.biz.rr.com) 02.49.41 Join neoarch_ [0] (n=neoarch@rrcs-97-77-48-15.sw.biz.rr.com) 02.58.13 Part Mataamad 03.00.16 # I've noticed that when my Clip crashes while playing, if it happens to keep its place in the song, it won't shut itself down completely 03.02.12 # Is there a chance that overclocking the SD cards in AMS could break them? 03.06.26 Quit Hillshum ("Ex-Chat") 03.06.45 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-241-46.slkc.qwest.net) 03.15.43 Join Rand_Althor [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-250-187-113.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.16.23 # I want to create WPS and sell them. Will you please implement AES encrypted WPS into Rockbox? 03.18.53 Quit Strife89 ("Rebooting just in case.") 03.19.10 # Good one 03.19.41 # sure thing! 03.20.08 # You need to pay us a bit though! 03.20.24 # amiconn: looking at language.c I dont tihnk it will be hard at all to get an ID from the english string... it will be slow but not hard 03.20.34 # or dangerous 03.21.06 # if you strcmp all strings you don't need the id anymore 03.21.36 # just count the loop, and then skip X strings in the real language buffer 03.21.54 Quit Rand_Althor ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 03.22.06 # but that's probably horrible inefficient even for parsing 03.22.18 # meh, it can boost for parsing... 03.22.30 # I dont tihnk it will be used that much, or be all that slow anyway 03.23.13 # its just http://pastebin.com/m6e16f6ca 03.23.32 # * kugel would prefer a limtied amount with a smaller lookup table 03.23.32 # then store that ID and you're done 03.24.27 Quit Hillshum (Remote closed the connection) 03.25.18 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.25.38 # we could even build a list of strings to find so we only loop through the full list once 03.25.43 # but well, I'd be happy enough if it can localize skins 03.25.59 # and having it fully localized this way it would possibly worth it 03.27.28 Quit Strife89 (Client Quit) 03.28.07 # * JdGordon goes about doing a test 03.32.03 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-241-46.slkc.qwest.net) 03.34.56 Quit Hillshum (Client Quit) 03.35.17 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.35.39 Join niekie [0] (i=quasselc@78.129.140.218) 03.36.43 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-241-46.slkc.qwest.net) 03.38.54 # New commit by 03FlynDice (r22825): AMS Sansa: Add delay for µSD writes to fix CRC failures with class 6 µSD cards. 03.39.59 Join CaptainKwel [0] (n=jason@207.237.172.77) 03.40.01 Quit Hillshum (Remote closed the connection) 03.40.30 Quit Strife89 ("Backup time.") 03.41.51 # surprise surprise it works :p 03.42.17 # 15 lines for the parser, 8 for the string->id, a few more here and there and its done 03.42.22 # whats a good tag for it though? 03.42.29 # %St is a bit meh 03.43.33 # New commit by 03kugel (r22826): Remove some some code in favor of a single parse_list() call. 03.45.53 # JdGordon: %St is doing the same thing for settings as you're planning for langs 03.46.00 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.12 # saying it would be meh sounds a bit strange 03.46.13 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@68.62.19.6) 03.46.59 # woops... I used the wrong tag :p 03.47.08 # but the code is almost identacle 03.47.14 # however the uck thats spelt 03.47.32 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 03.47.37 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.47.39 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.47.39 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 03.47.46 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.47.53 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.49.31 Quit darkham ("Sto andando via") 03.52.57 # :O hmm.. apparently this isnt so easy 03.53.27 # oh yes it is.. im a dill 03.55.12 # * JdGordon used Sx for the token 03.56.01 # for the language? 03.56.32 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 03.56.51 # Sx sprt of is "string translate" 03.57.31 # yea, sprt of 03.57.32 # sort* 03.58.09 # with x being trans, I've seen this before (curl uses Xfer for transfer rates) 03.58.36 # or, x being "screw you all, I can't make up something better" :D 04.00.32 # the first :) 04.00.38 # WPS_TOKEN_XLATEDSTRING :p 04.00.41 # suuuuure :D 04.01.09 # http://pastebin.com/m428381c8 is the patch 04.01.59 # * kugel hopes that WPS_TOKEN_XLATEDSTRING is going to change 04.03.10 # hope is the empty mans lust for ... umm.... 04.03.42 # seems small and simple 04.03.58 # does it actually work too? 04.04.18 # yep 04.04.27 # I mean... OF COURSE IT BLOODY DOES! 04.04.49 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=kkurbjun@rockbox/developer/kkurbjun) 04.04.50 # awesome then 04.05.00 # I havent tested on target, or with more than one though so if oyu want to see how slow it is that would be great 04.05.19 # I don't think it will be that slow 04.05.30 # did we decide this morning if we actually like the %|| method? 04.05.40 # surely it depends on how heavily you localize it 04.06.14 # isn't that the only possible way if we go with that full localization? 04.06.59 # yeah 04.07.19 # we can maybe add some short-hands later on if its wanted badly 04.07.40 Quit TheSeven (Nick collision from services.) 04.07.57 Join The_Seven [0] (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-144-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.08.08 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-144-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.08.09 # yea, we could still have the %$ia as short ups. those are also independant of the actual string 04.08.20 # short-hands* 04.08.43 # although it seems a bit waste, we'll see 04.09.00 # I'm definitely a fan of fully translatable skins 04.09.52 # its going to be fun convincing the themers to add it... 04.10.18 # did I already mention that 3.5 is going to be great for themes? 04.10.28 Join Rand_Althor [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-250-187-113.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 04.10.55 # yes... yes it will 04.11.08 # and we have 3 months now to make it awesome! 04.11.41 # WPS "" writes the letter "C" on my WPS 04.11.43 # "percent-sign"C 04.12.08 # OH SON OF A........ checkwps breaks with this change 04.12.51 # Rand_Althor: which build are you running? 3.4? 04.13.00 # one sec... 04.13.09 # I thought that fixed itself (I couldn't repro it anymore) 04.13.15 # r22717 04.13.34 # do an update 04.13.53 # btw, we certainly won't implement encrypted WPSs 04.14.06 # kugel: I was joking 04.14.07 # they arnt encrypted enough as it is :D 04.14.26 # fine then :) 04.14.43 Join TVman [0] (n=TVman@c-98-194-0-21.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 04.15.51 # ok the "C" is gone on my player (current SVN). I was getting the C on a pre-compiled sim. Sorry about that, JdGordon. 04.15.57 # I'm sure this has been asked at least ten thousand time before but... I have ipodloader running just fine on my 2G nano. Is there a dev version of RB that I can try? 04.16.05 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.17.28 # * JdGordon bangs head on desk 04.18.39 Nick ArneB is now known as ps-auxw (n=arneb@dyn37.ps-auxw.de) 04.19.19 # * mt pats JdGordon :) 04.19.36 # im sure thats aimed at me.... trust me, I tried answering this on my own 04.21.15 # TVman: currently the G2 nano work does not fully run to my knowledge, it is very preliminary 04.23.21 # * JdGordon looks around for Makefile voodoo masters 04.24.12 # TVman: This wasn't directed to you (from my side at least) .. anyway, the front page lists the Nano 2G as an unusable port. If I remember correctly, this port is still in an early stage, so unless you want to contribute, I doubt that you'd find anything useful to you at the moment. 04.26.38 # happy coding 04.26.39 Quit Rand_Althor ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 04.26.52 # TVman: Only display is working currently - see : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De 04.34.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.42.13 Join nullified [0] (n=nullifie@ppp-70-242-129-64.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 04.44.01 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 04.44.10 # Is the Sansa E250R case sensitive with the file names? ie: does PP5022.MI4 = pp5022.mi4 ? 04.44.12 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-139-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.44.27 Quit TVman ("Leaving") 04.55.48 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-yzhcovajhpvumrjz) 04.56.01 # are the glitches on the Fuze during mpegplayer due to the LCD driver or something else? 04.56.27 Quit timc (Remote closed the connection) 05.00.45 Quit nullified ("Leaving") 05.00.55 Join nullified [0] (n=nullifie@ppp-70-242-129-64.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 05.01.50 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@221.201.152.229) 05.05.21 Quit nullified (Client Quit) 05.14.03 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@65.81.160.226) 05.26.49 Quit panni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.26.50 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host14-176-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 05.27.17 Join panni__ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-52-105.unitymediagroup.de) 05.33.21 Quit Strife89 ("Tallyho!") 05.36.21 Quit darkham (Remote closed the connection) 05.43.49 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host14-176-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 05.44.44 # please, i've problem to load OF in Sansa Fuze 05.44.53 # i can load ony rockbox now.. 05.46.15 # what did you do? 05.46.32 # saratoga, i follow the wiki 05.46.55 # i try to load OF pressing |<< quickly 05.46.59 # but nothing 05.47.18 # at player off, nothing 05.47.55 # when i type the poweron button , i press |<< quickly , but nothing 05.48.05 # how can i load OF? 05.49.10 Quit panni__ (Client Quit) 05.50.01 # i meant what did you do to break it 05.50.10 # but you can also try plugging in the USB cable with it off 05.50.35 # i plugged the cable, and all right 05.50.56 # i tried the rockbox utility to install some other theme 05.52.07 # now i'm in ubuntu, if i plug the player in windows, i can flash an original firmware again without problem? 05.53.28 # saratoga, i've only installed rockbox as the wiki said 05.55.16 # darkham: are you holding Left while powering it on, or only after? 05.55.39 # gevaerts, only after 05.56.00 # try holding it earlier 05.56.30 # gevaerts, yes now i loaded the OF 05.56.49 # yes, i holded the button before the poweron 05.56.53 # all right 05.57.01 # excuse me for my anxiety... 05.57.05 # :) 05.57.08 # gevaerts: thanks :) I would have been happy to break checkwps but now its in the table I really cant :p 05.57.29 # JdGordon: well, this is not really better :) 05.58.12 # people, i tried rockbox on fuze for almost an hour, i can tell you the work is very great 05.58.51 # thanks 05.59.27 # JdGordon: the bootloaders still compile :) 05.59.37 # good enough for me :) 06.00.03 # I could of course break it so everything compiles but checkwps doesnt check if the string is valid... but that sounds pointless 06.00.40 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 06.00.59 # i tried a game, bubbles, and i had some video glitch, 06.01.36 # but i never had a freeze 06.01.55 # Jdhow do you go back a revision, I think Kugels commit is causing data aborts on the m:robe at least with the clean green theme 06.04.22 # the data aborts are happening in the parse_list function 06.04.38 # "svn up -r " gets a specific revision. If you want to revert a single commit, try "svn merge -r : 06.04.39 # it's strange though because it is only happening with the vertical stride builds 06.05.02 # gevaerts, is rockbox o fuze having some memory issue? 06.05.32 # * gevaerts hasn't installed rockbox on his fuze yet 06.05.40 # :) 06.05.55 # gevaerts: thanks 06.06.03 # i had avoided my warranty? 06.06.44 # if you really want to know, ask a lawyer 06.07.05 # ok ok... 06.07.28 # you probably have 06.07.43 # hmm, yep, r 22826 started the data aborts 06.08.04 # it crashes when I load the wps.. 06.08.13 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 06.08.37 # if i plug the player in windows, can i flash an official firmware again ? 06.08.54 # (i don't think i'll do...) 06.10.33 # is it possible? 06.14.30 # kkurbjun: revert the commit... if its data aborting you probably arnt the only one 06.16.42 # yeah, I'll do that, I think there is something wrong with the parse_list implementation 06.16.48 # it's aborting on a store 06.17.18 # so somehow the pointer is misaligned, I'm guessing it's in the "d" format. 06.17.39 # i thanks you all again, (please improve battery....) 06.17.50 # and good evening / good night 06.18.04 # thanx saratoga , gevaerts 06.18.17 Quit darkham ("Sto andando via") 06.23.37 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22827): r22826 is causing data aborts when the wps is loaded in the parse_list function - suspected reason is an improperly aligned pointer depending on how ... 06.26.55 Quit timc (Remote closed the connection) 06.27.47 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.34.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.34.39 Join ademille [0] (n=ademille@24.10.232.214) 06.37.58 Join Mataamad [0] (i=nospam@111.69.240.128) 06.38.18 Part ademille 06.58.10 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@221.201.152.229) 07.09.41 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 07.10.14 # this is strange.. I'm not too sure what was causing the data aborts with parse_list 07.10.42 # somehow the pointer for albumart_x/y is misaligned 07.14.01 # they are struct members... can that cause wierdness? 07.14.35 # hmm, albumart_x and albumart_y are shorts but their being treated as ints with parse_list.. I would expect that the structure is not packed, but I might be mistaken 07.14.54 # I thought they would be 32 bit aligned 07.15.52 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.15.57 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 07.16.08 # the struct should only cause problems if it's packed 07.16.22 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 07.17.22 # they can be changed to int in the struct to make things simpler 07.17.38 # they were only short to save a tiny bit of ram which isnt worth it anymore 07.18.30 # yeah, but that might just be masking an underlying problem - them bieng short versus int should not save any space if everything is properly aligned 07.20.45 # well.. no, parse_list is pretty crude.. 07.20.48 # shorts aren't necessarily 32 bit aligned 07.21.23 # nls gcc will pack shorts? 07.21.33 # it gets a d, it expects the pointer to be a int 07.21.35 # thay are aligned to their size, 16 bits usually 07.22.02 # ahh, I was mistaken then, I thought that typically structs were unpacked for speed 07.22.35 # yeah, it looks like parse_albumart_load uses strh whereas parse_list is using str on those parameters 07.22.43 # thaey aren't exactly packed but all members are only aligned to their size 07.23.04 # oh, I see 07.23.19 # so if you have a char, then 2 shorts it will take up 6 bytes 07.23.29 # if it was packed it would be 5 07.23.47 # that makes sense 07.24.22 # so I guess that's the root cause of the problem 07.25.18 # yes, stupid pointless ram savings... 07.25.26 # an int here would have been far better 07.28.07 # or we could just do a full sscanf with modifier support, although that would probably cost more in size :-D 07.28.13 Join fyre^OS [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-24-90-84-240.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.28.51 # I wonder how much larger the sscanf implementation as it stands that is in the tree is than the parse_list 07.29.42 # doom has one doesnt it? 07.30.23 # yeah, it brings in the scanff that is in the common directory in a hackish way since it is not currenly linked in the main build 07.31.36 # sscanf wont actually work well enough anyway 07.31.50 # I think it's something like #include "../../../firmware/common/sscanf.c" 07.31.55 # why is that? 07.32.00 # parse_list does strings which I dont know how well sscanf does, and optional items 07.32.22 # sscanf supports strings.. not sure about optional items 07.34.18 # the alternative of course is adding short support to parse_list 07.35.18 # yeah, sscanf doesn't have modifier support right now so it won't work, I just wonder how valuable it is to maintain an /almost/ sscanf 07.37.58 # if they were functionally equivalent I would say that using a standard function (sscanf) would be more maintainable since there is a well defined behavior in how it should act, and if someone was browsing the code they wouldn't be wondering what parse_list was doing, but that's just a thought. I need to sleep :) 07.45.00 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.29 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 07.59.13 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@24.22.210.83) 08.00.08 Join tabster [0] (n=tabster@tmo-104-170.customers.d1-online.com) 08.02.43 # Hi, I´ve got a problem with my iAudio X5. It´s not usable at all: It shows the Play-Page, but no matter which button I press, nothing happens (hold isn´t on). I can only switch it off. 08.02.56 # And when I switch it on again, it comes back to the same situation. 08.03.04 # I don´t see a chance how to get out of that. 08.03.11 # Can you help me? 08.03.16 # saratoga: What kind of glitches does it produce? 08.03.47 # it only doesn´t react on any input 08.04.25 # The Rockbox-Version should be pretty old as I´ve never updated because it was running smooth. 08.04.46 # It shows version 2 and on the next bootup-screen: r15901-071209 08.06.03 # Ah, now I connected it via USB and I can see all files on it. Maybe now I can reset it ... 08.06.56 # You have it set to start directly into the wps? 08.07.15 # If so, you might have found an audio file that freezes rockbox 08.07.41 # sorry, but what is wps? 08.07.52 # While Playing Screen 08.08.44 Quit CaptainKwel (Remote closed the connection) 08.09.03 # yes, it is set like that 08.09.03 # First thing I'd try is to update rockbox - the problem might be fixed already. Your copy is from the rockbox stone-age ;) (almost two years old) 08.09.03 # Yes, I know. Can I easily run the installer on it to upgrade it? 08.09.16 # I don´t know If it´s a freezing file, because I played it around 20 times before where it didn´t freeze 08.10.11 # Yes, rbutil should be able to do this upgrade 08.10.34 # nice, thank you! 08.12.05 # Hmm, if the audio file can't be the problem then I wonder what could. 08.12.38 # Maybe it´s only a very old problem that solves by updating. 08.12.55 # position of rockbox.iaudio? 08.13.26 # don't know when that changed exactly though 08.13.50 # F:\.rockbox\rockbox.iaudio 08.14.00 # but I already run the installer now 08.18.40 # There´s a problem with the installer saying "Error opening archive: invalid or incompatible zip-archive" 08.21.40 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 08.21.58 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 08.22.18 Part safetydan ("Leaving.") 08.26.51 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 08.26.58 # What will happen if I remove rockbox (including the bootloader) from my iAudio X5? Will I get the original firmware working then or will I not be able to use the device anymore? 08.26.58 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.27.33 Quit timc (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.47 # tabster: The manual should have uninstall instructions. Or you can just download the rockbox.zip manually and unzip it.to your X5 - http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.4/rockbox-iaudiox5-3.4.zip 08.31.34 Join timc [0] (n=aoeu@116.3.1.223) 08.31.56 # Zagor: Is the current build page supposed to be like this now? http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi 08.32.34 # yes, plus a link to the full table. 08.32.44 # I just haven't got around to that yet 08.32.54 # Ah, it's only showing targets with warnings/errors? 08.32.58 # yes 08.33.06 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host246-162-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.33.15 # a note about that would probably be good too :-) 08.34.02 # Yes, I was about to suggest that ;) 08.34.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.35.56 # Could you just hide the columns with css, and then use javascript to toggle their visibility? 08.36.14 # yes, but it's more work for me and slower in the browser 08.37.21 # Thank you all very much! I did a manual installation as described in the manual and now I´ve got Rockbox 3.4 on my iAudio X5. 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Return the target string for Video 64MB when apropriate amount of RAM is detected. 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(d2 sim still) 12.30.59 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@140.77.26.128) 12.31.46 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 12.31.55 # I haven't looked at the sim in ages... 12.32.08 # what's the idea behind the battery fluctuation? 12.34.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.38.39 # I think to allow wps makers to test things 12.38.59 # kugel recently tinkered with the button handling, maybe the backlight waking up is his fault 12.39.49 # I think it's actually related to the battery reading. it wakes up on battery full and battery empty. 12.44.55 Join petur [0] (n=peter@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.55.38 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 13.05.25 Join gb_master [0] (i=536712bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-qfxexuicipnatfwg) 13.10.45 # Zagor: Ah, clever 13.20.33 Quit gb_master (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 13.28.57 Join TheSeven [0] (n=theseven@p54A0FB24.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.32.23 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 13.37.01 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.39.47 # Bagder, Zagor: The font package seems to be missing from the website - http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ is empty 13.40.25 # we have daily fonts? 13.41.04 # Zagor: That's where the download link for extras points 13.41.14 # And apparently rbutil can no longer find them either 13.41.40 # I'll add a link then 13.42.06 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@ool-45717f0e.dyn.optonline.net) 13.42.16 # cool 13.42.21 Quit antil33t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.36 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.43.50 Join esperegu_ [0] (n=quassel@145.116.11.103) 13.43.54 # I suspect they used to be daily as everything points there, but there is no huge reason for them to - it isn't like fonts get added regularly 13.45.08 # The extras page points to http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 13.45.54 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 13.46.43 # As does rbutil - [HTTP] GET URI "http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip" 13.47.01 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@95.222.52.105) 13.47.18 # Zagor: backlight wakes up on battery full and empty if "backlight during charge" is enabled, or however that option is called (and I think that's the default). That has to do with the battery reading simulation 13.47.37 # pixelma: ok. thanks. 13.55.28 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 13.55.50 Quit saratoga (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.55.50 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.58.44 Quit esperegu (No route to host) 14.00.46 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.06.01 Join merbzt [0] (n=benlar@213.208.241.4) 14.22.49 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 14.32.27 # does anyone know what JdGordon referred to here? http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090925#08:48:08 14.33.20 NHeal (timeout) zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.34.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.41.42 # Zagor: see -dev 14.42.03 # ah 14.42.43 Quit moos (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.43.37 Join moos [0] (i=mostafa@rockbox/staff/moos) 14.44.27 Join JackWinter2 [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-8335.vo.lu) 14.45.51 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-79-177-204.netcologne.de) 14.47.11 # hiya, i have rockbox on my ipod since many years, and wanted to update it. haven't uploaded songs to it either for a long time. when i connect it to my linux/kde computer it appears both as ipod and a drive name. both with an icon for an ipod. don't seem to be able to access either of them. any hints on what i have to do? 14.53.21 # hmm, seems to be hal preventing it. time to write some rules i guess :) 14.59.23 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=Paule@p54BEF6D9.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.03.58 Quit JackWinter2 (Remote closed the connection) 15.05.00 Quit DarkDefender (Remote closed the connection) 15.05.22 Join JackWinter [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-8335.vo.lu) 15.06.31 Join DarkDefender [0] (n=rob@78-69-30-229-no36.tbcn.telia.com) 15.08.14 Join liar [0] (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 15.08.33 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! 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The main flash players Rockbox runs on are the Sansas, and most have a proprietory USB connector. 15.26.20 # linuxstb: yes, a co-worker bought his second Sansa some days ago, but while it is nice, I really dislike the proprietary connector 15.28.00 # (otherwise it would be nice, but only with Rockbox ... as the Sansa firmware does not allow browsing songs by directory) 15.28.11 Join Strife89 [0] (n=Strife89@adsl-81-160-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 15.28.40 # You may find this page helpfiul - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DeviceChart 15.29.29 # Zagor: The source for the current build is also no longer on the current build page :) 15.29.49 # I thought we stopped providing a tarball a while ago? 15.29.58 # linuxstb: ah, thanks .. USB Connector and Dimensions/Weight are probably good fields to look at ;) 15.30.24 # we broke it with the new build system and haven't gotten around to fix 15.30.46 # * linuxstb thought it was a feature ;) 15.31.41 # I've been trying to disguise it as such :) 15.32.03 # hehe :) 15.32.24 # Zagor: You've been doing well. 15.33.08 Quit niekie (Connection timed out) 15.33.13 # I hadn't noticed at all, but there was just someone in the forum asking 15.33.23 # I've told them to use svn :) 15.33.25 Part LinusN 15.46.23 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.53.55 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 16.00.45 # linuxstb: the Ondios have mini-B USB and flash storage ;) 16.00.56 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 16.01.22 # pixelma: For charging? ;) 16.02.26 Join webguest64 [0] (n=40ffb452@83.168.254.42) 16.02.27 Quit webguest64 (Client Quit) 16.03.23 # no, but it's easy to get some alkalines for it 16.04.53 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.05.48 Quit AndyIL () 16.08.53 Join moonscapex [0] (n=moonscap@d173-183-151-230.abhsia.telus.net) 16.09.57 # pixelma: but 128MB (+128MB MMC which I have available here) isn't too much ... and where to by the Ondios? :) 16.11.15 # I've been developing rb for a while, but I don't have that forum thing that says 'rockbox developer' under my name. Can someone add this for me? 16.14.32 # moonscapex: I think this 'badge' is for svn committers 16.15.03 Quit moonscapex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.17.11 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 16.18.10 Quit funman ("free(random());") 16.18.52 Join niekie [0] (i=quasselc@dreamworld.bergnetworks.com) 16.21.36 Quit moos (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.23.47 # ThomasAH: there are 4GB-MMCs. It wasn't a very serious suggestion as with this target you are limited to MP3 (and WAV) and they are hard to get now. (I like mine quite much though as sound quality is quite nice too) - and it met your requirements 16.25.40 Join moonscapex [0] (n=moonscap@d173-183-151-230.abhsia.telus.net) 16.26.01 # MP2 works too (just in case someone wants to be nitpicky) 16.26.16 # does anyone have opinions on committing FS#9708, ATA DMA for PP502x? 16.26.39 # Haven't tried it yet. 16.26.46 # With the cache alignment change it seems to be reliable; nobody is testing the test build of it, so i don't think it's likely to get any more testing unless it goes in :) 16.27.07 # is it for e200? 16.27.24 Quit TheSeven (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.27.26 # * gevaerts is in favour of committing it early and often 16.27.42 # moonscapex: haven't a clue. it's for whatever players build ata-pp502x.c :) 16.27.48 # moonscapex: if you have an e200 modded with a hard disk, yes 16.28.07 # Can someone make me a developer in the forum? My username is moonscapex 16.28.26 # moonscapex: the developer badge is for committers 16.28.48 # so i must make a patch and get it committed? 16.29.08 # no, people with commit access to SVN 16.29.29 # the people listed in docs/COMMITTERS :) 16.29.33 # OK, sorry. 16.30.21 # I have been developing rockbox for a while now but haven't used svn at all. 16.30.34 # gevaerts: i am inclined to agree, but some caution is good; it was totally broken the last time people said it was ready L:) 16.31.03 # moonscapex: in what way exactly have you been developing rockbox? 16.31.25 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 16.31.41 # I have created some very popular themes, and have created my own build for e200. 16.32.06 # Also making some patches. 16.33.21 # what's your flyspray user name? 16.33.42 # moonscapex or Will Hauck 16.34.05 # i haven't released any patches yet. 16.34.15 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=9372e2b4@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 16.34.22 # afternoon folks 16.34.24 # lo 16.34.36 # i am working on one that adds videos and pics to the menu though. 16.34.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.35.16 # moonscapex: people who have written patches and had them committed (like me) are contributors and our names go in CREDITS 16.35.27 # ok 16.35.27 # we are not developers because we ar enot the ones that look after the development of the project 16.36.09 # moonscapex: there are (currently) two badges you can apply for "Artist" for people who create themes, and "Coder" for people who create patches and have had them commited. 16.36.20 # the other badges are ones you cannot ask for you, you are offered them 16.36.30 # GodEater__: oh, there's a badge for coder? :) 16.36.39 # there is 16.36.46 # OK. how do i apply? 16.36.50 # though it has been suggested recently that it is retired 16.37.02 # moonscapex: which one did you want ? :) 16.37.20 # i think artist would Be best 16.38.44 # kerping 16.38.49 # you should have an artist badge now 16.39.06 # thankyou so much :) 16.39.13 # you're welcome 16.39.45 Quit moonscapex (Remote closed the connection) 16.40.46 Join moonscapex [0] (n=moonscap@d173-183-151-230.abhsia.telus.net) 16.41.02 # it worked :) 16.43.19 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 16.46.11 Quit Strife89 ("If you hold a Linux shell to your ear, you can hear the C.") 16.46.47 Join merbzt3 [0] (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 16.52.11 Quit GodEater__ ("CGI:IRC") 16.52.51 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.55.12 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-yamlnzmpbzxnwddj) 16.56.19 Quit moonscapex ("DownloadMoonscapeX'sBuildSansaE200") 16.56.35 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22830): Brickmania: Correct the cycle time to match what it was on the H300. 16.57.22 # given that we still have to remind moonscapex to distribute source code with his binaries, i think it'll be a very long time before he gets svn access 16.58.15 Join saratoga_ [0] (i=9803c6dd@rockbox/developer/saratoga) 17.00.22 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 17.01.41 Quit Zagor ("Don't panic") 17.05.20 Quit merbzt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.13.59 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@c-68-62-19-6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 17.21.29 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.27.00 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r22831): Add special handling for ipodvideo64mb when detecting the player via rockbox-info.txt. 17.30.00 Join CaptainKwel [0] (n=jason@207-237-172-77.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.32.19 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 17.33.03 Join Blue_Dude [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-235-222-153.mco.bellsouth.net) 17.33.55 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 17.39.06 Quit bubsy ("PARTY TIME, EXCELLENT! Party on, Wayne! Party on, Garth!") 17.43.53 Join JackWinter2 [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-8335.vo.lu) 17.45.32 Quit JackWinter (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.46.41 # New commit by 03blue_dude (r22832): Replace limiter with dynamic range compressor 17.49.11 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.51.11 Join JackWinter3 [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-10103.vo.lu) 17.51.19 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r22833): Clean up a few source strings. 17.52.56 # Long build... 17.54.02 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.53 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 17.54.54 Join scrooch [0] (i=541e580a@gateway/web/freenode/x-whckkiwmgbmgteuu) 17.55.02 # hi Bitches :D 17.55.33 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.56.11 # New commit by 03blue_dude (r22834): Fix yellow: braces around logf statements 17.56.23 Quit polobricolo (Remote closed the connection) 17.57.06 # Hi I've got the DIFRNCE MP1500 mp4 player (http://www.difrnce.nl/en/165/) ... How can I figure out what chips are on it and if it may be compatible with rockbox? 17.57.17 Quit FOAD (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.18 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 17.58.44 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-222.net-82-216-222.rev.numericable.fr) 17.59.01 Quit KBH (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.59.06 # scrooch: rockbox will definitely not work on that player. The only way to find out what the chips are (and thus see if a port is possible) is to open it 17.59.07 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.59.31 # Blue_Dude: is the compressor disabled on mr500? 17.59.59 # It is enabled only on swcodec targets. 18.00.32 Join explore [0] (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) 18.00.34 # mr500 is swcodec 18.01.06 # gevaerts: alright thats to bad... Are you sure about it because of the screensize of the player? 18.01.12 # Then it ought to be enabled. It's disabled by default, though. Nothing happens unless you turn it on. 18.02.06 # scrooch: I'm sure about it because there are no clones of the players rockbox does support 18.02.36 # gevaerts: hehe alright :) Success anyways with the project ^^ 18.02.39 # Blue_Dude: I ask because there doesn't seem to be a red delta for it 18.03.13 Quit JackWinter2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.03.16 # I'm not sure. I was kind of hoping for green deltas, to be honest. :( 18.03.41 Quit saratoga_ ("Page closed") 18.04.16 # there's a tool somewhere in the tree that can help you look for where the memory changes are 18.12.44 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.45 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.16.31 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 18.17.46 # Blue_Dude: utils/analysis has two tools to investigate strange binsize/ram usage changes 18.17.56 # both are doing he same essentially 18.18.23 # I'm looking there now. Will I have to compile a previous version to compare? 18.19.16 # yes 18.19.29 # it takes rockbox.elf fo the revision you want to compare 18.20.06 # ok. Know the svn syntax to up to a previous version? 18.20.24 # I use svn up to get up to date, but I want to stop short. 18.20.40 # avn up -r 18.20.46 # k... 18.21.22 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4CD6B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.22.46 # I'm compiling an older version. It will be a while. 18.22.59 Join root [0] (n=root@AGrenoble-257-1-34-16.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.23.08 # you could just run make bin 18.23.11 Nick root is now known as polobricolo (n=root@AGrenoble-257-1-34-16.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.23.56 Quit polobricolo (Client Quit) 18.24.21 Join polobricolo [0] (n=root@AGrenoble-257-1-34-16.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.25.24 Quit niekie (Connection reset by peer) 18.26.26 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=Paule@84.190.208.148) 18.30.52 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=Miranda@70-7-107-166.pools.spcsdns.net) 18.31.41 # JdGordon|: saw FS#10617 ? 18.32.28 # yeah, I dont understand it... 18.34.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.35.56 # * JdGordon| goes for the safe option "are you using the current build" :) 18.38.55 Quit polobricolo (Remote closed the connection) 18.39.30 Join yoruk [0] (n=yoruk@host151-178-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.39.34 Join polobricolo [0] (n=root@86.206.9.16) 18.42.27 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.15 # we really need some regex hook, that checks to force reporting the version they're running 18.44.36 # JdGordon|: your mail doesn't make much sense 18.44.46 # which one? 18.44.50 # the latest one 18.45.01 # does it fail on every %St tag= 18.45.03 # ? 18.45.16 # yes, because the setting is never found 18.45.19 # the first mail sounded as if would report OK for it 18.45.25 # nope 18.45.44 # then the mail before doesn't make much sense :p 18.45.59 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@78.33.109.163) 18.46.13 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm46.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 18.47.20 # how about actually compiling settings_list.ch] in? 18.47.42 # and settings.h 18.47.46 # and mess 18.48.17 Quit explore ("leaving") 18.48.37 # actually.. we can maybe fiddle with the macros so we dont need settings.h 18.49.01 # or it can b changed to always pass in checkwps which i tinhk is silly 18.49.44 # JdGordon|: re r22826. making the coordinates in skin_albumart actually decreases binsize very slightly 18.49.45 # actually... the user would have to run it in the sim anyway right? 18.49.49 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-eweufmolinzsircr) 18.49.53 # making them ints 18.50.04 # woot's got refurbed Sansa Clips for $30 shipped if anyone wants one 18.50.15 # be quick 18.50.34 # reordering the members reclaims 4 bytes, it's currently quite ineffecient 18.52.18 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 18.52.35 # same datatypes should be grouped in structs, the biggest ones first, that gives most efficient alignment 19.00.15 # was that email more understandable? 19.02.05 # JdGordon|: that will be a lot better than what's there now, so I'd say go for it 19.03.27 # I'll try to get it done after work this arvo... dunno if I'll have time though 19.04.02 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.04.41 Join TheSeven [0] (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-144-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.06.25 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.06.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.07.25 # http://pastebin.com/m6213553a 19.11.29 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=Miranda@nat/microsoft/x-wlzzuixisgggzbec) 19.18.37 # saratoga: Have you looked into liba52's mdct before ? 19.26.07 Quit scrooch (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 19.29.25 # Blue_Dude: you passed them reversed 19.29.54 # (see how it is decreased by 1.5k in the last line) 19.31.15 # I don't think so. The new variables are in the new line, like gain_buffer. The old variables are in the old line, like limiter_buffer. 19.31.47 # strange 19.31.54 # Yes indeed. 19.32.10 # How sure are we that the build page is working correctly? 19.32.29 # it always has been 19.32.53 # it simply checks rockbox-info.txt, which in turn gets its info from rockbox.map 19.33.21 # THe numbers seems OK, too. I don't understand. 19.34.04 # Does the build page take something into account that bloat-o-meter doesn't? 19.35.46 # dunno 19.40.03 # I'm really confused. Old rockbox-info.txt: 19.40.04 # Version: r22831-090925 19.40.06 # Binary: rockbox.mi4 19.40.08 # Binary size: 620544 19.40.09 # Actual size: 619404 19.40.11 # RAM usage: 1455616 19.40.12 # New rockbox-info.txt: 19.40.14 # Version: r22834M-090925 19.40.15 # Binary: rockbox.mi4 19.40.17 # Binary size: 619520 19.40.18 # Actual size: 618532 19.40.20 # RAM usage: 1454192 19.42.07 # It's a mystery... 19.46.33 # careful with pasting that amount of lines to the channel, logbot gets fed up quite easily... ;) 19.47.08 # ok 19.48.30 Quit Blue_Dude ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 19.49.28 Join Lynx [0] (n=Lynx@84.44.249.60) 19.49.51 Nick Lynx is now known as Guest42078 (n=Lynx@84.44.249.60) 19.50.36 Join T44 [0] (i=Topy44@g228138098.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.53.25 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 19.54.08 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@adsl-69-152-229-7.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) 19.56.22 # I need to update but with r22729 the powerups in brickmania don't move at all on my c200 (and I don't think the cycletime commit fixes this effect) 19.59.17 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 20.01.03 # wow, the ball is bouncing horizontally... 20.05.59 Join Omlet [0] (i=omlet05@91.181.230.234) 20.06.03 Join paulk_ [0] (n=paulk@lib33-1-82-233-88-171.fbx.proxad.net) 20.06.19 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.06.21 Nick Guest42078 is now known as Lynx_ (n=Lynx@84.44.249.60) 20.06.40 Join raphi [0] (n=raphi@pub082136118205.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) 20.06.57 # hello ! I've just downloaded rb 2.4 and I'm playing brickmania. The game is very slow ,is it normal ? 20.07.01 # kkurbjun: ok, the non-moving powerups (and way too often exactly vertical or even horizontal) moving of the ball) confirmed with r22834 on the c200. My guess is this SPEED thing becoming zero (for either direction with a real small GAMESCREEN_HEIGHT 20.08.56 # e.g. #define SPEED_4Q_X ( 2 * GAMESCREEN_HEIGHT/176) - isn't that 0 if gamescreen height is less than 176/2, so less than 89? 20.09.06 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.10.38 # pixelma: lol, but in previous versions it was working very well. 20.11.05 # and on landscape screens this gamescreen height is defined as LCD_HEIGHT - the c200's display (and the Archoses one and the Clip one etc.) have a smaller display 20.11.31 # paulk_: whether you see this effect depends on your target's screen size 20.11.38 # I have to leave you :( thanl-you for the info 20.11.46 # as I understand it 20.11.57 # pixelma: I've got a sansa e250 20.12.03 # bye 20.12.05 Quit paulk_ ("Ex-Chat") 20.12.35 # err... he should try a new version 20.14.19 # I didn't realise he joined in the middle of my monologue and was talking about something related but not the same :\ 20.20.59 Join Riku [0] (n=Lss@cm46.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 20.21.31 Join LL-Hell [0] (n=aed@89-138-50-62.bb.netvision.net.il) 20.23.14 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 20.23.27 # Hi :) does anyone know where to report a bug I encountered with the fuzev1 port? 20.26.44 Join bymind26111965 [0] (n=ttt@151.67.67.115) 20.26.55 # LL-Hell: There's the bug tracker link in the menu, on the front page. 20.27.11 # the flyspray thing? 20.27.14 # Yes 20.28.15 # alright. I was just wondering if it's ok to report bugs regarding the fuzev1 over there since it hasn't been officially released yet.. I think 20.28.47 # kkurbjun: less than 88 I meant, for some reason I read that as 178 (although I know it comes from the H300's lcd dimensions) 20.29.01 Quit bymind26111965 (Client Quit) 20.29.55 # LL-Hell: It should possibly aid the development of the port, so go for it. :) 20.30.07 # ok, thanks :D 20.31.26 # mt: yes I have 20.32.03 # there are two issues with doing that: 1) the ac3 MDCT is in a weird order so you'd have to reorder it first, and 2) it currently has windowing integrated into the IMDCT step 20.32.32 # neither of these things is impossible to deal with but it was hard enough that I looked at it and decided it was harder then I wanted to deal with 20.33.01 # although i have a standing offer to make AC3 very, very fast if anyone ever adds support for it to MPEGplayer 20.34.14 Quit Omlet ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 20.34.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.36.21 # New commit by 03kugel (r22835): Redo 22825 but this time with caring about alignment. ... 20.36.30 # New commit by 03kugel (r22836): Rename struct skin_albumart members to be consistent with similar members of other structs. the albumart_ prefix is redundant. 20.39.47 Join paulk_ [0] (n=paulk@lib33-1-82-233-88-171.fbx.proxad.net) 20.39.55 # LL-Hell: yes? 20.40.11 Quit Lss (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.40.28 # pixelma: I read the today's irc log, so I should try a new version ? 20.40.44 # saratoga: hmm .. then was I right in thinking that tremor's imdct doesn't handle the block switching done in ac3 ? 20.41.03 Quit raphi ("leaving...") 20.41.07 Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3C59D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.37 # yes, there was a fix to speed it up again (you'll also find a thread in the forums about it). I was investigating a related issue but not the same 20.42.31 Quit mc2739 ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 20.42.40 # pixelma: Ok, i've downloaded the lastest brickmania.c and I'm going to compile it :) 20.42.55 # Torne: I am also supporting the idea of submitting FS#9708. dreamlayers will hopefully find time to do so. 20.43.55 Join gb_master [0] (i=82c03212@gateway/web/freenode/x-tptrlkqyqbdimdzx) 20.46.00 # saratoga: hmm.. what do you mean "yes"? :) 20.48.58 # mt: yes the mdct lib does not handle windowing 20.49.06 # since each codec uses slightly different windows 20.49.16 # i never bothered to find a generic way to reuse the code 20.51.17 Quit Riku (Nick collision from services.) 20.51.44 Join Lss__ [0] (n=Lss@cm46.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 20.52.09 Quit gb_master ("Page closed") 20.56.01 Quit paulk_ ("Ex-Chat") 20.56.07 Quit esperegu_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.56.29 Join esperegu [0] (n=quassel@145.116.11.103) 20.58.50 # saratoga: I didn't mean the windowing part .. anyway, I still can't figure out what the sample_t *delay parameter is for, the standard mentions nothing in the transform section other than taking an n-sample block and performing the corresponding processing and fft calculations. 21.07.32 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host14-176-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.12.05 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 21.12.58 Join niekie [0] (i=quasselc@dreamworld.bergnetworks.com) 21.14.12 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@c-68-62-19-6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.16.25 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.19.11 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.33.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.35.00 Quit yoruk () 21.35.24 Join GeekShado_ [0] (n=Antoine@37.226.192-77.rev.gaoland.net) 21.35.25 Join moonscapex [0] (n=moonscap@d173-183-151-230.abhsia.telus.net) 21.37.20 Quit moonscapex (Remote closed the connection) 21.42.01 Quit saratoga (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21.42.01 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 21.50.08 Quit niekie (Connection timed out) 21.52.54 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.55.13 # pixelma, there's a brickmania fix for this in FS#10585 21.57.57 # oh, it seems this is the cycle time fix you already mentioned 21.59.14 # it seems to have both parts 22.01.57 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=johannes@94.221.93.88) 22.02.14 Join moonscapex [0] (n=adb797e6@giant.haxx.se) 22.02.30 # his new speed definitions look quite complicated (to me) 22.04.02 Part Ubuntuxer 22.04.59 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 22.05.09 Join howell [0] (n=howell@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) 22.05.11 # I'm starting to wonder whether tremor's fixed point imdct is the fastest implementation. 22.05.58 # mt - you got a faster one, bring it on :) 22.06.19 # i'm serious by the way :) what are you looking at 22.07.13 Quit moonscapex ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.07.34 # mt - actually do you mean you think it is, or you think it isn't? i could read your comment both ways 22.08.29 # :) .. I'm not sure, I just looked at a document from TI about porting libtremor to one of their DSP's. I don't know the algorithm used in tremor but it seemed that they got a nice speedup by optimizing the imdct. 22.09.05 # pre-processing -> pre-rotation ->ifft ->post rotation and processing. 22.09.37 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.57 # mt - i think that's what tremor uses 22.11.01 # That's what I'm not sure about .. it seems that this is what it's currently using, but fft-based implementations look much simpler (and shorter) than tremor's. 22.11.03 Quit Buschel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.12.50 # is the libmad imdct functionally equivalent to the tremor one? that seems quite short but I haven't studied it 22.15.18 # Haven't looked at it before. 22.16.48 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.19.37 NHeal (timeout) zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.21.50 # stripwax: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/sprp525/sprp525.pdf - starting from page 20 22.24.48 # mt - very interesting! taking a look now. I like the comment they one of the things they needed to do during porting is 'fix bugs and add free() to prevent leaks' :) 22.24.54 # page 27 : 35% speedup - So either our imdct could be improved using the same method, or I'm missing something. :) 22.25.51 # Yeah, I never knew that about tremor, seeing this comment though made me more skeptical about tremor :D 22.29.14 # stripwax: Also, if we used this implementation, we would add an optimized fft to the codec library and then use it with liba52 - would simplify modifying liba52's mdct to use the codeclib I think. 22.29.24 # ok so I wonder if they're just saying "if we use our dsp optimised fft, rather than the C from Tremor [given that they won't be able to use the Tremor asm code], we get better performance" 22.30.00 # but that's the cynic in me, still reading .. :) 22.30.34 # mt - liba52 doesn't use codeclib? could it? 22.31.04 # No, liba52 has its own mdct and fft implementations. 22.33.50 # I also saw this, but not sure how relevant it is http://vlsi.ee.pusan.ac.kr/vlsi_web/conf_foreign/A%20fast%20IMDCT%20Algorithm%20for%20MPEG-2%20AAC%20Decoder.pdf 22.33.51 # I doubt they meant what you said though .. pages 21 and 22 clearly state that they are talking about a different imdct implementation, which uses their optimized fft for more performance gain (But maybe this is just the optimist in me :) ) 22.34.19 # mt - so could liba52 not use our existing mdct? or does it need both an imdct and an ifft? 22.34.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.35.06 # I think it could but it seems rather difficult. 22.35.18 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-142-237.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 22.37.11 # stripwax: See logs, about 2 hours ago.. 22.38.33 # * stripwax reads logs 22.40.27 # stripwax: The paper you linked to seems to have an optimized complex n/4-point ifft too, if it's faster than TI's, then I guess we could combine ? 22.42.18 Join bekabug [0] (n=bekabug@adsl-068-209-234-142.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) 22.47.24 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 22.49.02 # mt - you ever read this, by the way? there's a 'blog' almost of taking naive implementation of vorbis (incl mdct) -> optimsed vorbis decoder. interesting reading (and the progression in the mdct in particular matches quite closely to what is implemented in tremor..) http://nothings.org/stb_vorbis/ 22.49.08 Join niekie [0] (i=quasselc@dreamworld.bergnetworks.com) 22.49.49 Quit Galois ("Leaving") 22.51.42 # stripwax: Never seen it, no. 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