--- Log for 28.09.109 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 11 hours ago 00.02.20 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.03.11 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm46.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 00.05.52 Nick casainho is now known as Guest1224 (n=chatzill@87-196-42-154.net.novis.pt) 00.06.10 Quit Utchybann (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.07.44 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.07.54 Quit Guest1224 ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]") 00.08.16 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.09.57 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 00.20.03 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.52 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 00.21.20 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 00.22.18 Join akur1 [0] (n=akur@bl5-224-92.dsl.telepac.pt) 00.22.29 Part akur1 00.22.46 Join akur1 [0] (n=akur@bl5-224-92.dsl.telepac.pt) 00.28.26 Nick sbhsu_ is now known as sbhsu (n=a6530466@Zion.dorm.au.edu.tw) 00.29.19 Join tegguN [0] (n=4e923844@giant.haxx.se) 00.31.43 # Hi- I have a bit of a problem, can anyone run me through the details of how Rockbox updates Sansa (in particular Fuze) firmware? Not how to do it but the process the player actually goes through in updating. 00.32.29 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 00.33.36 # IIRC, the Sansa original firmware looks for a firmware file in the main (FAT) partition, and if it exists, writes it to a hidden part of the flash disk. 00.33.48 # What's your problem? 00.34.45 Join intrados4 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.35.35 # basically, rockbox works fine, but since installing rockbox when I boot the Sansa firmware it freezes on updating the database, I want to update the original firmware to get it working again, but because it updates the database before looking for a firmware file I can't 00.35.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.36.22 # the first thing I would do would be checking the filesystem 00.37.36 # I've tried that, I've formatted (through Windows I can't on the player itself) and I've ran Chkdsk which pulled up no problems 00.38.02 Join maffe [0] (n=Miranda@77-21-35-240-dynip.superkabel.de) 00.38.53 # it would after formatting... 00.38.53 # * gevaerts has no idea then 00.38.59 # Is it possible that the installation of the Rockbox bootloader could have affected the Sansa firmware? 00.39.43 # Does this work? http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=announcement&thread.id=165 00.39.43 Quit tegguN ("CGI:IRC") 00.41.39 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@giant.haxx.se) 00.41.51 Join tegguN [0] (n=4e923844@giant.haxx.se) 00.42.47 # sorry about that, just disconnected me- bizzarre, I just accidentally pulled the player out without unmounting it and it booted fine 00.43.00 # I'll run some more tests and try that diagnostic mode 00.45.55 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paule@p54BEEFA3.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.46.19 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 00.48.28 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 00.48.57 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@giant.haxx.se) 00.49.55 Nick JdGordon1 is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c-24-22-210-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.51.43 Join casainho [0] (n=chatzill@87-196-42-154.net.novis.pt) 00.52.37 Quit casainho (Client Quit) 00.57.31 Quit maffe ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.59.39 Quit tegguN ("CGI:IRC") 01.02.55 Quit evilnick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.58 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 01.07.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.10.52 Join evilnick [0] (n=evilnick@69.113.175.81) 01.11.39 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 01.11.58 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 01.16.44 # hhmm wasnt there a wiki entry about how to skip the database update on the ams sansas... maybe that would help tegguN if he shows up again 01.17.35 # setting the MUSIC folder as read-ony does it i tihnk? 01.17.41 # also having no free space will do it 01.17.53 # yeah it was something like that 01.18.12 # well he isnt here anymore so this wont help too much unless he checks the log.. :) 01.18.36 # I thought that trick only worked on the c200v1 (and was dangerous otherwise) and it was the SYSTEM folder 01.18.37 Quit ender` (" With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they") 01.18.53 # and i remember dimly that it was strongly suggested on the fuze forum to reformat the public flash area after the firmware update that increased the max database size 01.19.24 # so he might be running into that problem as well 01.19.35 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.41 # just be careful with what you suggest 01.19.55 # true as well 01.22.52 Join Strife1989 [0] (n=Strife89@adsl-220-99-131.mcn.bellsouth.net) 01.23.12 Quit Strife89 (Nick collision from services.) 01.23.44 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (n=Strife89@adsl-220-99-131.mcn.bellsouth.net) 01.27.12 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.42 Quit bmbl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.00.05 Quit Zarggg (Success) 02.02.33 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 02.03.28 Join akur [0] (n=akur@bl9-152-217.dsl.telepac.pt) 02.04.37 Quit akur1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.14 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.12.15 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-0efa70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 02.20.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.25.32 Quit mkoenig (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.26.06 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.28.43 Ctcp Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts 02.29.38 Ctcp Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts 02.35.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.40.56 Quit akur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.54.53 Join Strife1989 [0] (n=Strife89@adsl-220-115-192.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.55.52 Quit Strife89 (Nick collision from services.) 02.56.07 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (n=Strife89@adsl-220-115-192.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.31.30 Nick HBK- is now known as KBH (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 03.49.24 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 03.49.26 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.49.48 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 03.49.48 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.49.50 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.49.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.53.20 Quit Strife89 ("Bed.,") 03.56.55 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.03.15 Quit daurn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.05.57 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 04.07.43 Quit TheSeven (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.01 Join The_Seven [0] (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-148-001.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.08.14 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-148-001.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.11.10 Join DirtySkeMe [0] (n=Adium@nor75-19-82-244-50-203.fbx.proxad.net) 04.19.50 Quit intrados4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.20.18 Join Pupuser402 [0] (n=puppy@c-24-35-101-80.customer.broadstripe.net) 04.20.23 Join intrados4 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 04.20.23 Nick Pupuser402 is now known as dirtydav (n=puppy@c-24-35-101-80.customer.broadstripe.net) 04.21.10 Quit dirtydav (Client Quit) 04.25.05 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 04.28.58 Quit dfkt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.30.29 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 04.31.18 Quit Llorean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.31.40 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-99-4-146-40.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 04.36.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.36.21 Join hd [0] (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 04.38.04 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04.39.00 Nick hd is now known as HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) 04.47.04 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65.78.69.194) 04.48.35 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 04.48.46 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-157-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) 05.01.39 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Fwump") 05.13.05 Join brn2dth1 [0] (n=brn2dth@63.245.17.11) 05.13.15 Part brn2dth1 05.13.16 Join brn2dth1 [0] (n=brn2dth@63.245.17.11) 05.13.22 Part brn2dth1 05.19.00 Quit howell ("Leaving") 05.24.01 Quit Unhelpful (Remote closed the connection) 05.43.31 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 05.43.43 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 05.46.34 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 05.47.26 Quit evilnick ("TTFN") 05.48.26 Join brn2dth1 [0] (n=brn2dth@63.245.17.11) 05.48.30 Part brn2dth1 06.04.12 Join likemindead [0] (n=XXXXXXXX@71.21.16.58) 06.04.39 # * likemindead loves 3.4 & thanks all who helped make it what it is! 06.06.06 # oh, hey, when'd that happen 06.06.09 # * Dhraakellian goes to see! 06.09.26 # Three days ago, Dhraakellian! 06.09.39 # * Dhraakellian must be oblivious 06.09.50 # I missed 3.3 and was pleasantly surprised to find 3.4 today. :D 06.09.51 # either that or I just don't check the front page much 06.10.06 # What do you use Rockbox on, Dhraakellian? 06.10.32 # FuzeV1 06.11.01 # and I usually build it myself anyway, due to a one-liner keybinding patch for Sudoku 06.11.10 # Nice. Old iPod Color (4th Gen) 60GB here. 06.11.16 # making the scratchpad button a *lot* more convenient 06.12.04 # * Dhraakellian really wouldn't mind seeing that patch committed so that he wouldn't have to do his own builds 06.15.04 # FS#10459 06.15.10 Quit panni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.15.39 # of course, "scratchpad" didn't occur to me until much later 06.25.10 Join daurn| [0] (n=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 06.33.08 Join howell [0] (n=howell@rrcs-97-77-48-15.sw.biz.rr.com) 06.36.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.36.39 # G'nite. 06.36.40 Part likemindead ("FOSS FTW!") 06.40.23 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.49.09 Part toffe82 06.52.59 Quit CaptainKwel (Remote closed the connection) 07.02.43 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 07.04.52 Quit intrados4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.11.42 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.12.07 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 07.17.42 Quit daurn| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.30.32 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4FFCF.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.34.09 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.34.55 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 07.39.05 Quit howell (Client Quit) 08.05.17 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.17.04 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8FA4A.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.27.42 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 08.27.53 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-153-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.36.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.35 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 08.47.45 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCEE76.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.48.01 # bertrik: The ZVM 30GB checkwps build is still red... 08.50.46 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 08.51.25 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.51.54 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5DCC1817.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.55.52 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 09.04.03 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.06.08 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.06.10 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.06.16 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 09.09.25 Quit ch4os ("leaving") 09.10.15 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@gentoo/user/ch4os) 09.17.03 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjorn@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.18.53 Join sjh [0] (n=sjh@svana.org) 09.21.43 # hi, I was having problems where rockboc froze trying to play some ogg files I had encoded recently, so I thought I would try upgrading to version 3.4 from 3.0 on my ipod video. However Iw as getting vfat errors on my linux computer trying to overwrite the .rockbox directory so I copied all my music off the device, and did a mkfs.vfat to create a new vfat filesystem on /dev/sdb2 and then resinstalled rockbox and just to be sure ran ipodpatcher to get the bootloader on 09.22.04 # now when I try starting the ipod the rockbox boot loader says "No partitions found" 09.22.22 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.22.51 # anyone know if there is some other way I am supposed to format the drive? Or should I maybe put the mbr from the device or the website on there? 09.32.50 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 09.35.09 # sjh: I think you can format it with iTunes 09.35.41 # that is if you can get your hands on a Windows or OSX box 09.36.19 # http://ipod.about.com/od/restoreandreformatipod/ss/restore_ipod.htm 09.41.16 # janne_oksanen: I can ask my housemates if they have itunes installed somewhere or someone else in the department where I work, cheers 09.42.53 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 09.47.55 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.50.26 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 09.54.59 Join GodEater__ [0] (n=9372e2b6@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.55.34 # janne_oksanen: reformatting an ipod with an OSX install of iTunes is a very bad idea if you want to run Rockbox on it afterwards. 09.56.17 # sjh: What does "fdisk -l" report for your ipod ? 09.57.27 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 10.00.24 Quit ch4os ("leaving") 10.00.53 Join ch4os [0] (n=ch4os@gentoo/user/ch4os) 10.04.02 Join Tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 10.04.12 Join esperegu [0] (n=quassel@145.116.11.103) 10.06.27 # Hi, Is anyone interested in testing "FS#10468 - USB HID: Show keypad mode on screen" 10.06.34 # ? 10.06.59 Join FlynDice [0] (n=FlynDice@72.254.91.11) 10.12.19 Join ender [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.13.03 # I think gevaerts was due to take a look at it wasn't he ? 10.14.17 Join intrados4 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 10.15.32 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 10.19.36 # GodEater__: Yes, gevaerts is on this. I don't need feedback on the code, rather on the feature itself - is it working ok on other targets (besides e200), etc 10.21.22 # ah I see 10.21.41 # I'd offer to test on ipod for you, but I have no build environment here :( 10.22.02 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.22.40 # Do you want me to send you a zip? 10.23.29 # hehe no - the reason I have no build env here is that there is no point. USB on these machines is locked down 10.23.35 # so I have no way to get anything on to the ipod 10.24.43 # GodEater__: But you can enable the usb stack on the ipod, don't you (some stability issues, though) 10.25.09 # that wouldn't help - the PC's policy means all USB UMS devices attached to it are marked as read only 10.25.40 # oh, ok... 10.27.05 # if I remember I'll have a look when I get home tonight 10.27.30 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 10.28.23 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.33.05 Join krabador [0] (n=ubuntu@host131-217-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 10.36.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.09 Join TheSeven|Mobile [0] (n=TheSeven@92.116.211.232) 10.52.59 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 10.54.06 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paule@p54BECB05.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.54.28 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.00.54 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.03.30 # i've mp3 and flac in my rockboxed fuze, but i hear a little "click" only between flac files, all flac files 11.05.12 # Have you tried the files on a gapless audio player on your PC? (e.g. foobar2000) Or maybe you could try the Rockbox UI simulator (any version) - http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ 11.06.40 Quit robin0800 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.27 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.11.00 Quit KBH (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.12.12 Join daurnimator [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 11.12.13 Join TheSeven|Mobile2 [0] (n=TheSeven@92.117.28.166) 11.12.59 Quit TheSeven|Mobile (Nick collision from services.) 11.13.09 Nick TheSeven|Mobile2 is now known as TheSeven|Mobile (n=TheSeven@92.117.28.166) 11.14.36 # what do you think? should i go for just the writing part of the ftl, or also the error handling and restore on unclean shutdown stuff? 11.15.03 # in theory the norboot should at least catch most of the latter 11.15.43 # TheSeven|Mobile: write all the funny parts ! 11.19.28 # well, the whole ftl code is pretty funny 11.19.46 # lots of entirely pointless things 11.25.26 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 11.32.34 # linuxstb: yes, i tried the files on pc and all right 11.33.00 # i've many type of flac files , they all gap at the begin 11.33.11 # mp3 and ogg not 11.37.07 Quit DirtySkeMe (Remote closed the connection) 11.42.09 Join Paleskin [0] (n=paleskin@fm-ip-118.137.103.151.fast.net.id) 11.42.28 Quit jfc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.42.45 Join jfc [0] (n=john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 11.42.46 # how to install theme which don't have a cfg files on fuze ? 11.45.20 # a theme *is* a cfg file. do you mean a wps? 11.45.45 # nope 11.45.59 # the cfg in the themes directory 11.46.09 # in a whisper themes for fuze 11.46.26 # it's cfg file only have "#" 11.46.32 # almost empty 11.46.42 # and it doesn't worlk 11.47.29 # yup, the theme is broken 11.47.33 # It's just a wps and a backdrop 11.47.34 # other than that, it have backdrop, wps, wps pics 11.47.36 # you can select them seperately 11.47.42 # how 11.47.52 # theme settings -> while playing screen 11.48.25 # and the new cfg will be created automatically ? 11.48.34 # no, it won't create a cfg 11.48.35 Join antil33t1 [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 11.48.38 # it will just change your settings. 11.48.41 Quit antil33t (Nick collision from services.) 11.48.48 # any colours/etc that are supposed to be in the theme won't get set though 11.48.54 # since those would've been in the cfg 11.49.03 # it's just broken. 11.49.14 # * Torne just downloaded it and the cfg is indeed empty 11.49.17 # supposed I wanna write the cfg manually, how should I do that ? 11.49.30 # Er, you would need to know what font/colours/etc the original author intended :) 11.49.45 # I need to contact the author then ? 11.50.06 # yes, contact them and tell them the copy of their theme on the rockbox site has an empty cfg 11.50.11 # and hopefully they will upload a new copy :) 11.50.29 # Ok, I'll mail him, thanks =) 11.50.36 # krabador: Did you try the Rockbox UI simulator?. This would help identify if it's a bug in the Fuze-specific parts of Rockbox, or whether it happens on all Rockbox targets (i.e. there's something unusual about your FLACs). 11.51.23 Part Paleskin 11.51.42 # linuxstb: i'm on linux, it works with wine? 11.53.18 # I think so, but it runs on Linux as well - you just need to compile it yourself. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator 12.00.00 Quit TheSeven|Mobile () 12.06.37 Join evilnick [0] (n=evilnick@ool-4571af51.dyn.optonline.net) 12.07.30 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@wlan-nat-24.fh-friedberg.de) 12.14.08 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@p54A5DDFC.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.20.14 Quit JackWinter (Remote closed the connection) 12.23.47 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.24.02 Join JackWinter [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-10103.vo.lu) 12.24.49 Join daurn [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 12.32.24 # Torne: one can select "Save Theme Settings" to write all theme related settings to a cfg 12.33.28 # yeah, but the question was would one be created automatically, which it won't ;) 12.34.04 # also the theme is clearly *intended* to have a cfg 12.34.12 # so just picking the wps/backdrop and saving that is hardly equivalent ;) 12.34.21 # just saying, the other guy wanted to write it manually 12.35.04 # and since he's gone I'm telling it Torne so that he can point to that for the next time he's assisting people with themes :) 12.35.14 # + for the logs :p 12.35.34 # hah 12.35.52 # still lacks a way of divining the correct values of all the *other* settings :) 12.36.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.38.09 Join TheSphinX^_ [0] (n=cold@p54A5DBF2.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.39.39 Quit daurnimator (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 12.46.47 Quit Tomers (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.47.17 Quit TheSphinX^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.02 Join DirtySkeMe [0] (n=Adium@nor75-19-82-244-50-203.fbx.proxad.net) 12.48.14 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 12.48.40 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 12.50.32 Join merbzt [0] (n=benlar@213.208.241.4) 12.52.13 Join Paleskin [0] (n=paleskin@fm-ip-118.137.103.151.fast.net.id) 12.53.06 # is there a shorter way to access eq from playing now screen ? 12.53.51 # everytime I listen to a different genre, I musti go to setting ------> sound setting -------->browse eq presets 12.53.59 # using fuze 12.54.21 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-79-189-188.netcologne.de) 12.54.49 # while in the of, it's more shorter, just go to-----> eq ----------->select preset 12.55.30 # no, there isn't. 12.56.09 # I see, thanks 13.00.04 Part Paleskin 13.08.02 Quit DirtySkeMe ("Leaving.") 13.08.24 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 13.08.28 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 13.26.21 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.27.45 Join DirtySkeMe [0] (n=Adium@nor75-19-82-244-50-203.fbx.proxad.net) 13.34.48 # Torne: It might be useful to allow adding Browse EQ Presets to the Quickscreen 13.37.27 # I don't think it's that easy (I mean just "allowing" it) because behind it is just a file browser and the number of files can change etc. Could be that things like browsing eq presets or something else was already discussed in the forums 13.37.52 # from the quickscreen I mean 13.40.14 # evilnick: i was just thinking that, but yeah, it seems nontrivial 13.43.36 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 13.46.15 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.46.58 Part LinusN 13.49.38 # The eq is accessible from the wps context menu, isn't it? 13.52.51 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 13.54.41 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.57.56 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@95.222.52.105) 13.59.37 # pixelma: I kinda feared that it wouldn't be as simple as the options that have a finite (and known) number of settings :/ 13.59.55 # -finite 14.01.05 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 14.01.22 # amiconn: it's three selections away thouhg 14.01.34 # amiconn: context menu -> sound settings -> equaliser -> select preset -> 14.01.43 # which is what the guy was wanting to avoid 14.01.47 Quit mikroflops (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14.01.57 # people need to appreciate though that with a firmware as complex as rockbox you can't make *everything* one click away 14.02.04 # sure. 14.02.19 # but if that kind of setting could go on the quickscreen then people could make four things one click away for themselves, i guess. 14.02.25 # :) 14.04.49 # so they could add four presets to the quickscreen 14.06.24 # i was imagining being able to bind non-setting menu items to the quickscreen personally 14.06.36 # so you could have a quickscreen option that took you directly to a particular menu action 14.06.51 # so the button would be "list eq presets" 14.06.58 # maybe we could add "browse xyz presets" to the WPS context menu? It has a potential to quickly clutter that up though if people start asking for more browsable things to put there (e.g. themes etc.) 14.07.07 # but yeah, there's more than one possible way to do it, none of which are trivial ;) 14.11.17 Quit intrados4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.58 Join intrados4 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 14.15.55 Quit daurn (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 14.16.38 Join daurn [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 14.17.55 Nick evilnick is now known as evilnick_home (n=evilnick@ool-4571af51.dyn.optonline.net) 14.36.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.37.14 Join robin0800 [0] (n=robin080@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.37.42 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@wlan-nat-24.fh-friedberg.de) 14.39.01 Quit kugel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.53.31 Join JackWinter2 [0] (n=jack3@vodsl-10103.vo.lu) 15.02.34 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 15.08.15 Quit JackWinter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.14.48 Join enthdegree [0] (n=enthdegr@adsl-144-134-179.rmo.bellsouth.net) 15.17.37 Join likemindead [0] (n=XXXXXXXX@ama-wldhcp.69614189.amaonline.com) 15.25.45 Join mikroflops [0] (n=yogurt@90-231-195-226-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 15.28.19 Join osdaeg [0] (n=daniel@201.250.219.222) 15.28.49 # Hi! 15.29.23 # hello 15.29.42 # sorry for my english 15.29.47 # i'm from argentina 15.29.51 # it's just fine so far 15.30.02 # and a lot better than my spanish I would imagine 15.30.21 # I have a question 15.30.56 # I have a PMP (mp5) device with sunplus chip 15.31.17 # is a great gadget 15.31.55 # bue they have defects 15.32.19 # * GodEater__ waits for the actual question 15.32.40 # I can install rockbox in my device 15.32.46 # ?? 15.32.49 # no 15.32.51 # nope 15.32.56 # :( 15.33.06 # Rockbox only runs on the devices we list on our front page 15.33.17 # getting it to run on other players is a great deal of work 15.33.22 # any future support?? 15.33.31 # only if someone decides to do the work 15.33.47 # it's usually better to ask other people who own the device to pitch in and help out developing, rather than coming here first 15.33.59 # we're happy to help - but we don't do ports on demand 15.35.24 # How do I begin? 15.36.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 15.37.50 # ok. thanks. I will look. 15.37.59 # good luck 15.38.43 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 15.39.41 # * GodEater__ thinks we need a better explanation "who" the rockbox developers are. 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Is there any surefire way of buying a v1 c200? e.g, has anyone ever found a v2 in v1 packaging? 16.38.42 # * likemindead is away: My second home is a third world cantina. 16.42.32 # enthdegree: no at least not easily to first question and yes to second 16.43.05 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.44.44 # enthdegree: you can't tell v1 from v2 by packaging only way is firmware 01= v1 and 02=v2 16.46.20 # Well, drat. I'm just looking for a cheap mp3 player to listen to podcasts + watch small video clips on. 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I've then used a keyboard macro in Emacs to create individual playlists by cutting and pasting from the full file. I've ended up with 2048 playlists. However, when I try and load any of the files I get an error message: 'Undefined instruction at 001FC01C (0)' 18.28.02 # I've upped the files per directory limit to 2500 which is more than the number of playlists. Anyone any ideas what could be going wrong? BTW, its Rockbox v. 3.3, installed using the normal install utility. 18.28.38 # And I've had no other problem using Rockbox, its a fantastic project. 18.31.27 # fieldri1968_: Could you try with a more recent build (I'd say either 3.4 or the current build), and possibly with only one of your playlists on the player? 18.35.24 Quit Tomers ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 18.36.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.37.06 Quit krabador (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.37.24 Join krabador [0] (n=ubuntu@host131-217-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 18.39.26 # Hi gevaerts. I moved all of the playlists off the iPod into a temp directory on Ubuntu desktop. Then moved back 3 playlists, and they all work as expected. 18.41.45 # ok, so the playlists themselves are fine... Have you checked the filesystem for corruption? That can cause weird issues 18.42.33 # * likemindead is back (gone 02:03:50) 18.46.39 Quit liar (Dead socket) 18.46.48 Join liar [0] (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 18.47.57 Join archivator [0] (n=Delyan@77.70.28.57) 18.53.00 Quit Strife89 ("Switching buildings.") 18.55.36 # thanks for the advice. How would you check the filesystem? I've tried running fsck, but not found anything. I'll try and have a go at upgrading to the newer Rockbox later, see if that helps. 18.56.30 # if fsck doesn't find anything, the filesystem is unlikely to be the problem I think, although I've heard some people say that fsck isn't as good as chkdsk on windows for FAT 18.57.12 # likemindead: please turn off that script, this channel is logged and that will fill the logs with useless info (see the guidelines linked from the topic too) 18.58.14 Part likemindead ("facepalm.jpg") 19.03.06 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.05.19 Quit TheSphinX^_ ("XChat@Linux") 19.09.09 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 19.09.14 Quit liar (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.11.37 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.11.52 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 19.12.05 Join JaredCapson [0] (n=9023186b@83.168.254.42) 19.13.50 Quit JaredCapson (Client Quit) 19.13.59 Join j8048188 [0] (n=9023186b@giant.haxx.se) 19.15.00 # Hello 19.15.14 # Can someone give me (JaredCapson) write access to the wiki? 19.15.55 Quit archivator (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.16.51 # hmm, I would, but we appear to have changed wiki software, and I've no idea where the useradmin pages are now! 19.18.24 # ah hang on - getting there 19.20.01 # j8048188: done 19.20.05 # I hope :) 19.20.46 # it works. Thanks! 19.21.18 # no problem 19.21.21 Join liar [0] (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 19.21.51 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@giant.haxx.se) 19.21.59 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@168.16.237.214) 19.24.32 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.25.37 Join saratoga2 [0] (n=9803c6dd@giant.haxx.se) 19.25.37 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 19.30.13 Join archivator [0] (n=Delyan@77.70.28.57) 19.31.42 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8EF04.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.32.03 # saratoga2: With fixed32, what representation did you use ? (I'm guessing 16.16 ?) 19.33.06 Quit archivator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.55 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.34.13 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC") 19.34.31 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.34.55 # mt: it depends on the codec, but IIRC WMA was in 14.18 19.35.13 # the FFT itself has no native precision since its constants are all 1.31 19.35.22 # IIRC 19.35.37 # so you can put in any precision you like and it comes out the same 19.37.22 # The permutations done in the fft, are they for the reordering of interleaved input samples, like in AC3 for example ? 19.37.54 # no I don't htink so 19.38.10 # as far as I know this is just a conventional FFT with no special considerations for packed formats like AC3 19.38.24 # the permutations are used as part of the split radix decomposition 19.38.30 # Ah, it's just me dreaming then. :) 19.38.53 # i don't understand this algorithm, but I believe the idea is to split it into a series of N/2 and N/4 transforms recursively 19.38.58 # and the permutations are used to do that 19.41.12 # "To these ends, a number of alternative implementation schemes have been devised for the Cooley-Tukey algorithm that do not require separate bit reversal and/or involve additional permutations at intermediate stages." 19.41.22 # Yeah, what I know about it is that it's the same as a radix-2 algorithm, except that when it splits the input in half, one half is done with a N/2 transform and the other broken down to 2 N/4 transforms. 19.41.27 # so basically the decomposition requires some sort of permutation at each level 19.41.33 # Oh I see. 19.41.46 # presumably the output of one stage is in the wrong order for the next stage 19.42.31 # FFTs are probably the most boring part of signal processing, shame we have to deal with implementing them :) 19.42.45 # Can the c240 playback video? I see the graph on the rockbocks website, but it doesn't look like anyone's tested it... 19.42.45 # :) 19.42.50 # **rockbox lol 19.43.07 # yes it can 19.43.29 # Can it play video ~well~ ? :D 19.43.39 # saratoga2: The ffmpeg fft looks a lot like liba52's though. 19.43.50 # let me look at theres 19.43.52 # (well for an 80*something screen, I mean. ) 19.44.11 # what do you mean well 19.44.38 # its going to be really small 19.45.03 # and the c200 display is rather slow and low quality 19.45.06 # I guess he meant at a convenient frame-rate 19.45.07 # Well as in no flicker, 30 fps, sound, picture moves. 19.45.13 # @mt yeah. 19.45.27 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75.165.241.46) 19.46.36 # sure on such a small screen thats easy 19.46.50 # mt: yeah its the same basic split radix algorithm 19.46.59 # just unrolled a little more and designed for more sizes 19.47.36 Join marek_ [0] (n=marek@dynamic-78-8-2-167.ssp.dialog.net.pl) 19.47.45 # hmm some of the variables have improbably similar names 19.47.50 # hi, where can i download beastpatcher? 19.47.55 # probably based on a reading of the same paper 19.48.01 # saratoga2: It seems they also did more optimizations for butterflies of special cases (Not handled in ffmpeg) 19.48.08 # " Download beastpatcher from add download location (32-bit x86 binary) or add download location (64-bit amd64 binary). You can save this anywhere you wish, but the next steps will assume you have saved it in your home directory. " 19.48.15 # i want to install dropbox on toshiba S 19.48.45 # Ok, great. And reviewers say its audio quality is sub-par, but that's fine for me. I'm just listening to podcasts/short videocasts anyway. And at 23 slaps in the face it's practically an impulse buy. Thanks for your help, guys. :D 19.49.41 # mt: which case is this? 19.50.26 # it looks like they both have the BUTTERFLY_0 case handled 19.50.36 # which i think is very important to the performance of the split radix 19.50.44 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@f054238122.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.51.14 Quit j8048188 ("CGI:IRC") 19.51.49 # oh the BUTTERFLY_HALF case may be different then ffmpeg's 19.52.08 Join Mike [0] (n=Miranda@p57A8FEA7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.52.12 Nick Mike is now known as Guest64476 (n=Miranda@p57A8FEA7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.52.30 # yes .. I'm still looking for BF_zero in ffmpeg :D 19.52.41 # Hey Ho! 19.53.23 # mt: i think its wrapped into TRANSFORM_ZERO 19.53.37 Join akur [0] (n=akur@bl6-159-130.dsl.telepac.pt) 19.53.59 # Is there somebody with a Rockboxed Sansa Fuze? 19.54.17 # it might be worth unwrapping both these things for the N=32 case or something similar and seeing how similar they are 19.54.32 # trying to think about these in the abstract makes my head spine 19.54.34 # spin 19.54.50 # but I wonder how fast the ac3 transform is already . . . 19.55.43 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 19.55.47 Quit Hillshum ("Ex-Chat") 19.55.52 # I was thinking of factoring out a52's fft and comparing the 2 (after converting ffmpeg's to fixed point of course) 19.56.01 # Guest64476: Ask your question and if anyone knows then they'll answer 19.56.23 # mt: looking at AC3's, the fft8 case looks like its a good bit faster 19.57.24 # since the BUTTERFLY_HALF in ffmpeg is actually just done as a series of multiplies without using any of the symmetry 19.58.03 # Okay. Sorry but im too lazy to search in the forums. I just put some music on my new Rockboxed Fuze. But i cant see them. 19.58.18 # Do i have to refresh it somehow? 19.59.16 Join Grahack [0] (n=chri@ip-222.net-82-216-222.rev.numericable.fr) 19.59.44 # Guest64476, you can update the database under Settings / General Settings / Database (and enable automatic database update there too) 20.00.02 # Thanks bertrik ! 20.00.28 # saratoga2: I see, I still think I'd want to compare both on a test run. :) 20.01.11 Join n17ikh [0] (n=n17ikh@host-69-59-126-212.nctv.com) 20.01.56 Part fred_2 ("bye") 20.02.00 Quit HBK (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.02.14 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@78-22-180-217.access.telenet.be) 20.03.25 # But I guess if more differences -like the butterfly_half- were found, then there would be no need to test ffmpeg's. 20.07.36 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 20.09.20 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 20.09.26 Quit T44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.09.37 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paule@p54BEDF6F.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.10.45 # Guest64476: As a note, "im too lazy to search in the forums" into a brilliant way to make people want to spend their time helping you 20.10.54 # s/into/isn't/ 20.13.29 Join Stephen_ [0] (n=S@86-45-74-89-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) 20.16.50 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@87.15.167.77) 20.19.21 Quit DirtySkeMe ("Leaving.") 20.20.10 Join tegguN [0] (n=nugget@78.146.56.68) 20.23.43 Quit tegguN (Remote closed the connection) 20.23.55 Join efyx_ [0] (n=efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 20.25.21 Join tegguN [0] (n=Nugget@78.146.56.68) 20.28.10 Join DirtySkeMe [0] (n=Adium@nor75-19-82-244-50-203.fbx.proxad.net) 20.29.03 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.30.13 Join JohnTeddy [0] (i=unstable@tor/regular/sid) 20.31.38 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.32.58 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.36.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.36.34 # hi- for anyone around last night (around 00.30 GMT) who helped with my problem, thanks- I accidentally fixed it by removing the device without unmounting it, it went straight to the Sansa firmware instead of refreshing the db. Unorthodox and potentially dangerous but it worked. 20.37.34 # hi, anybody tried to install rockbox on toshiba gigabite S/ 20.37.36 # ? 20.37.42 Quit Horscht (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.41.43 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.44.13 Quit tegguN (Remote closed the connection) 20.44.16 Quit Horschti (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.44.37 # mt: since AC3 and ffmpeg transforms are so similar maybe we can test the ffmpeg one by substituting its functions into AC3 [BUTTERFLIES, TRANSFORM, fft2/4/8, etc] 20.46.20 Join KBH [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 20.46.25 Join akur1 [0] (n=akur@bl6-149-45.dsl.telepac.pt) 20.46.40 Join me [0] (n=me@78.146.56.68) 20.46.54 # saratoga2: Do you mean building an fft similar to ffmpeg's out of AC3's functions ? 20.47.08 Nick me is now known as Guest41755 (n=me@78.146.56.68) 20.47.42 # marek_: On the front page of the website, you could see that the gigabeat S is listed as being unusable. 20.48.07 Quit enthdegree (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.48.38 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4FFDC.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.49.13 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.49.48 Quit akur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.50.05 Join merbzt4 [0] (n=benlar@193.13.246.198) 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 1 20.50.05 DBUG Sent KICK merbzt2 to server 20.50.05 DBUG Sent KICK merbzt1 to server 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 2 20.50.05 DBUG sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=benlar@193.13.246.* 20.50.05 DBUG Sent KICK merbzt3 to server 20.50.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK merbzt4 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 3 20.50.05 Kick (#rockbox merbzt2 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!i=rockbox@rockbox/bot/logbot 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 4 20.50.05 Kick (#rockbox merbzt1 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!i=rockbox@rockbox/bot/logbot 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 5 20.50.05 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*n=benlar@193.13.246.* " by logbot (i=rockbox@rockbox/bot/logbot) 20.50.05 Kick (#rockbox merbzt3 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!i=rockbox@rockbox/bot/logbot 20.50.05 *** Alert Mode level 6 20.50.06 DBUG Q-Sent KICK merbzt4 to server 20.50.06 Kick (#rockbox merbzt4 :*bang* too many joined users) by logbot!i=rockbox@rockbox/bot/logbot 20.50.06 *** Alert Mode level 7 20.52.04 # mt: yeah, the basic form looks so similar, maybe functions can just be swapped between them? 20.54.01 # I guess so .. 20.54.52 # marek_: yes, but the installation can be a bit quirky 20.55.02 # But shouldn't we write the macros used in ffmpeg wherever they replace a function in ac3 ? 20.55.30 # n1s, where did you get beastpatcher? 20.55.43 # mt i know, but i want to give it a try 20.57.06 Join tegguN [0] (n=nugget@78.146.56.68) 20.58.16 Join HBK- [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 20.58.43 # marek_: i used the old tools so i didn't get beastpatcher at all and i'm not sure there's even a released binary of it... 21.00.07 *** Alert Mode OFF 21.01.38 # quick question- When a new release of rockbox (eg. 3.4) is the change reflected across all builds (eg. fuze or clip) and are the bootloaders modified or do they generally stay the same? 21.02.00 Quit HBK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.02.12 # all supported targets get a release build of rockbox, bootloaders rarely change 21.03.03 # thanks! How do we know when bootloaders change? 21.04.33 # eh, "you don't" is probably the most correct answer, unfortunately 21.05.54 Quit Horscht (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.33 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 21.07.44 Quit merbzt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.10.58 # saratoga2: hmm .. what about using the butterfly_half from ac3 with the macros from ffmpeg (this would reduce overhead significantly I guess (?) ) ? 21.12.36 # Even if both are functionally the same, we'd be better replacing ac3's functions with ffmpeg's macros. 21.13.20 # mt: i think you are right 21.13.31 # since the AC3 code doesn't look like it can do the larger fft sizes 21.13.48 # IIRC AAC/WMA/Vorbis need up to 1024 point FFTs 21.14.33 # no I'm sorry they need 512 21.14.41 # since the FFT has to be 1/4 the size of the IMDCT 21.14.48 # so 2048 => 512 fft 21.15.07 Quit KBH (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.07 Part JohnTeddy 21.19.52 # saratoga2: Do you remember where your fixed-point fft produced wrong values ? 21.24.40 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.29.29 # mt: I think almost all of them were wrong 21.29.37 # probably i didn't initialize something correctly 21.29.40 # i didn't figure out why 21.30.13 # :( .. no problem. 21.31.08 # mt: when I get some free time today i'll try and take a look 21.32.52 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 21.32.59 # It's OK, it's not that boring for me :) 21.33.30 # are you trying to measure the performance of the ffmpeg transform ? 21.34.21 # I want to do that yes. 21.35.12 Join froggyman [0] (n=187b533e@83.168.254.42) 21.37.22 # New commit by 03rob (r22848): Fix the builds list to look for the right ZVM CheckWPS target filename 21.39.00 # Bagder (or any other nearby Swede..) does the build master need an svn up or anything to take notice of that commit? 21.40.11 # shotofadds: I seem to remember that it checks that automatically every ten minutes or so 21.40.31 # ah ok, it's not exactly urgent... tho nice to get rid of a red 21.44.01 # I was thinking of bringing the TouchpadInterface wiki page up-to-date and to list which screens still need adapting to the touchscreen (so that Mr Someone can use it as another to-do list...), but first things first: it should be renamed TouchscreenInterface, right? 21.44.37 # the WPS section can go as it's already covered by CustomWPS 21.45.04 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.45.59 # I agree that a rename is a good idea 21.46.23 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 21.46.32 # It could also do with some discussion about how to handle touchscreen WPSs - the current Cabbie is not a suitable touch theme on the D2 due to the small font size 21.47.14 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.49.05 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 21.51.15 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.48 Quit froggyman ("CGI:IRC") 21.58.15 Quit Guest64476 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.58.56 Join _lifeless [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.3.118) 21.59.00 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.00.45 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.04.15 Quit HBK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.03 # shotofadds, thanks for fixing that, I had no idea myself how to 22.07.29 # bertrik: it took me a while to figure out what the problem was ;) 22.07.52 # we have yet to see if it actually worked though...! 22.11.49 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.11.49 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 22.12.03 Quit Guest41755 ("Leaving") 22.13.23 Quit niekie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.15.49 Join niekie [0] (i=quasselc@dreamworld.bergnetworks.com) 22.20.19 Join n1s [0] (n=n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 22.20.23 # mt - I was reading some old threads on Tremor mailing list about replacing the existing tremor implementation with N/4 FFT for running on TI dsp .. the comments on the list seemed to mirror what I thought (i.e. that they would be comparing a dsp-optimised FFT with the Tremor non-asm-optimised C implementation). Unfortunately the source code for the N/4 FFT & prerolling (including a vanilla C implementation that would work on 22.20.23 # non-TI non-DSP implementations) doesn't seem to be available 22.22.16 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.22.18 # mt - however, the A52 Standard includes details on N/4 FFT implementation of IMDCT, with pseudocode, which should make a basic implementation straightforward 22.22.19 # http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_52b.pdf 22.22.24 # Section 7.9 22.22.41 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.22.41 # * stripwax apologises in advance if this is Not News to everybody 22.24.46 # mt - the big win of course would be if we already have an existing fast (and optimised) complex IFFT to 'just plug in' 22.26.33 # Any thoughts on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TouchscreenInterface would be much appreciated... 22.36.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.36.28 Quit saratoga2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.38.16 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@giant.haxx.se) 22.38.39 # stripwax: yes mt sent me that article yesterday and I originally read it in 2006 :) 22.38.44 # err 2007 22.39.10 # its not too relevent to us since we can't use whatever closed source FFT they used on their DSP core 22.39.48 # the problem with FFT based IMDCT was always how good of an FFT can you write 22.42.09 # yep. but I'm wondering if the Tremor really is much different anyway - it's still an optimised DCT kernel (or something) right? 22.44.17 # This, on the other hand, *is* relevant. http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/2003-May/016206.html http://groups.google.ca/group/Audio-Algorithms/browse_thread/thread/2e940fa244f078a 22.44.21 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@f054238122.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.44.40 # stripwax: Yes, the goal is to have a fast fft (referring to your former note) that could be reused. 22.45.20 # mt - yep. actually let me go back and read the logs for that, you were saying some of the codecs need *both* imdct and fft ? 22.45.43 # the imdct is based on an fft 22.46.19 # it's : pre-processing -> fft -> post-processing. 22.48.48 # hehe - "...I tried that this evening (see attached mdct.[ch]), but it's *only about 30% faster* than the Vorbis MDCT for 2048 samples.." - (The vorbis-dev mailing list) 22.49.44 # mt - agree with that, but wasn't sure about the need for having an fft library that *wasn't* part of the imdct library. and it sounded like you said we needed both imdct and fft for some codecs.. hang on let me find the irc log for that.. 22.49.47 # mt - right :) 22.50.24 # hi i wanted to checkout only "/trunk/utils/MTP/beastpatcher" how can i do it with svn? 22.52.16 # mt - right, "liba52 has its own mdct and fft implementation". it just needs imdct, is that right? it just so happens that its own mdct implementation contains an fft implementation . does rockbox *also* need an optimised fft implementation elsewhere? 22.52.27 # marek_: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/utils/MTP/beastpatcher beastpatcherDir 22.55.35 # ehmmm 22.55.36 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat-s/ 22.55.38 # 404 22.55.51 # where can i obtain bootloader.bin? 22.57.02 # stripwax: I don't remember what I said exactly, but what I meant is that liba52's mdct is fft-based, so if we could have an optimized fft, we could have a faster mdct than tremor's and it would be easier to use that with liba52. I hope what I'm saying makes sense :) 22.58.12 # Ok. Although we don't actually know that a52's mdct would be faster than tremor's if we optimised the fft (or do we?). 22.58.15 # Originally I just wanted to use our mdct with liba52 .. but then it changed to : have a fast fft-based mdct and then use that with liba52. 22.59.09 # as a starting point, could we just make liba52 use the codelib imdct? then we can *still* share an optimal imdct between all the codecs 22.59.20 # ^codelib^codeclib 22.59.52 # thinking that we'd want to share that New Faster Than Fast IMDCT with all codecs, so liba52 would need to be changed to use the codeclib api anyway 23.00.21 # unless liba52 does windowing in-place (that could get a bit messy) 23.01.08 # I didn't know that .. I just discovered that it happened more than once that modifying the mdct in tremor to be an fft-based one, and using an optimized fft in it gave the decoder a nice speedup. 23.02.01 # I didn't know that -> I didn't know an optimized-fft-based mdct would be faster than tremor's 23.02.04 Quit Omlet (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.11 # mt yeah, I really do think those comparisons between unoptimised C implementation of Tremor's mdct and an optimised-fft-based mdct are unfair - I didn't see one that made sense 23.03.43 # This on the other hand looks fun (apologies if you've seen it before) http://www-math.mit.edu/~stevenj/preprints/ShaoJo07-dct4-preprint.pdf 23.05.58 # No, haven't seen it before. Looks interesting :) 23.06.08 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 23.06.43 # quote - "This should not be confused with algorithms that employ an *unmodified* FFT combined with O(N) pre/post-processing steps to obtain the DCT" 23.12.03 # where can i download bootloader.bin? 23.15.35 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 23.16.12 Quit Stephen_ ("Leaving") 23.16.52 # stripwax: The table shows the improvement to be ~4.6% for 2048-sample mdct. 23.17.48 # Of the previous of course (to which I don't know how the any fft at hand is related except that they all use a split-radix algorithm) :) 23.17.50 # in terms of improvement over the prior 'state of the art', yes. but I don't see how much of that is Mults vs Adds, and we'd rather do more Adds if we can do fewer Mults 23.18.01 # right :) 23.18.49 # That depends on the cpu architcture, doesn't it? 23.20.18 # I think so, yes. 23.20.28 # * mt has to go for a while. 23.21.57 # amiconn true but for the architectures that run rockbox, are there any that can always perform a 32x32->64bit mult in the same number of cycles as an add? Is that a coldfire thing? 23.22.28 # On coldfire one should try to utilize the emac as much as possible, and that imlies balanced multiplies and adds 23.22.53 # ARMv6 is another example 23.24.30 # ARM7TDMI with its slow multiplier profits from as few mult as possible. I'm not sure about the v4 and v5 ARM9 targets, and have no idea what's best on mips 23.26.08 # stripwax: Those mac instructions are even better - they perform a multiply *and* an add in the same number of cycles (1) as a plain add 23.26.25 # mul is still slower than add on arm9, but it's not as bad 23.26.36 # (provided the pipeline latencies are taken care of) 23.28.39 # could someone with a archos recoder try if the currently released archos recoder voicefile work ? It could be that they are too big again.. 23.33.28 Quit Strife89 ("Going home.") 23.39.20 Quit evilnick ("Page closed") 23.41.26 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 23.42.58 Quit explore ("leaving") 23.49.47 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-88-109.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 23.50.14 Join safetydan [0] (n=deverton@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.52.06 Join Strife89 [0] (n=Strife89@adsl-220-115-192.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.53.23 # marek_: sorry if poeple are ignoring you, but I don't know where to download it either 23.55.04 # meh.. just tried to compile a beast build... but is getting some lang related errors... 23.55.34 # if i get it going i can compile a bootloader too. my build is way old :) 23.55.35 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving")