--- Log for 08.10.109 Server: robinson.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 1 hour ago 00.02.14 Part froggyman 00.02.26 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 00.03.13 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.05.43 Quit ender` (" I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it.") 00.08.47 Quit tomers (Remote closed the connection) 00.09.09 Quit cobrajs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.09.26 Join roolku [0] (n=roolku@77-99-223-115.cable.ubr16.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.09.30 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 00.10.02 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.10.12 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.10.34 # gevaerts: b23-b41 (apart from b38) are identical software wise 00.11.10 # gevaerts: I have disabled b38 until I can reinstall it 00.11.38 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@94-193-103-239.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 00.12.29 # pyros is cygwin, but I rarely run it these days 00.12.44 Join bubsy_ [0] (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 00.13.15 Quit evilnick ("Page closed") 00.15.56 Quit bubsy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.21.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.19 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 00.22.59 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.17 Quit roolku () 00.28.50 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@78.52.236.121) 00.29.22 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87.194.34.169) 00.30.25 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.33.15 Quit intrados (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.34.05 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.34.33 # Big drawn back for VI users on the Sansa V2's 00.34.51 Join intrados [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 00.34.52 # The Database update is very confusing if unknown 00.35.33 # what processes is being recommended in the manual? 00.39.13 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87.194.34.169) 00.40.10 Join Lynx [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-79-235-109.netcologne.de) 00.40.35 Nick Lynx is now known as Guest48757 (n=Lynx@xdsl-87-79-235-109.netcologne.de) 00.40.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.41.07 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.41.35 # someone want to give FS#10661 a look at? 00.41.41 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-0efa70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 00.41.56 Join Lynx0 [0] (n=Lynx@xdsl-78-34-241-210.netcologne.de) 00.42.08 # froggyman: Can you please stop asking that repeatedly? Someone will get to it when they get to it. 00.43.08 # LambdaCalculus37: ok, sorry 00.43.11 Part froggyman 00.43.13 Quit notlistening ("Leaving") 00.44.40 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Fwump") 00.45.51 Join z35 [0] (n=z35@ool-45717f0e.dyn.optonline.net) 00.46.44 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.46.45 Nick Lynx0 is now known as Lynx_ (n=Lynx@xdsl-78-34-241-210.netcologne.de) 00.50.09 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.51.19 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.51.22 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 00.52.06 Join stebbi92 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 00.52.10 # hello 00.52.22 # i need help with rockbox on my 30GB iPod video 00.53.19 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 00.53.55 # stebbi92: what exactly do you need help with? 00.54.36 # I can't create a database, it drains my battery at an incredible rate even when it's plugged in, and then it freezes sometimes, it's gone through twice, told me to reboot, then started the whole thing again 00.55.09 Join clefurgey [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 00.55.43 # try deleting the .rockbox directory on it and reloading the current build: http://build.rockbox.org/ 00.56.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.56.18 # alright, but i reinstalled .rockbox + bootloader just a few min ago 00.56.26 # after deleting the folder too 00.56.32 # i'll try the manual 00.56.40 # manual installation that is :) 00.56.40 # ohh 00.57.06 # i used the auto-installer thing 00.57.40 Quit Guest48757 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.58.15 # Hi, everyone. I'm a total newby to rockbox, just installed it today. I have a sandisc sansa e280V2. Also, I'm totally blind. Anyway, I just added a ton of music to my player by holding down the left button as I plugged in the cord, then copy/pasting to the music folder. I've ejected and unpluged, and have been waiting a few minutes, but can't seem to power on my player. 00.58.26 # sounds good, you might want to try *fully* charging the iPod's battery, as support for charging through rockbox is rather buggy and doesnt always work like it should 00.59.05 # alright, i used the debug battery tool to look at my battery draining, but it shuts down at zero, although it seems to recharge without being plugged in according to rockbox 00.59.17 # it just can't stay on long enough 00.59.33 Quit kugel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.59.40 # stebbi92: try charging it through the OF, I prefer to use diskmode 00.59.51 # k 01.00.25 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.26 # "Yet another possibility is to convert the iTunesDB to a the Rockbox database format, see Convert iTunesDB to Rockbox database for more information. " i also tried that 01.01.25 # what button is it again to enter diskmode? 01.01.45 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@pa58-109-194-170.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.01.57 # after you see the "apple logo" you then press center + play/pause 01.02.09 # alright 01.02.29 # but why doesn't the database load properly after it tells me to reboot? 01.04.17 # stebbi92: that could possibly be a disk corruption, try running a check disk program (like chkdsk if you are on windows) 01.04.24 # alright 01.04.42 # i'm also gonna clear up some space 01.05.28 Join intrados1 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.06.06 # If I hold down the power button on my player for ten seconds then reboot, things talk, but I can't see any of my files. I'm still waiting, someone told me the sansa likes to scan the music you add? 01.07.14 # chkdsk running and 1.5 GB cleared up 01.09.04 # "Windows found errors on the disk but will not fix them" 01.09.16 # "Convert lost chains to files Y/N" 01.09.31 # i'll try running it with /F 01.12.17 Join markun_ [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 01.12.49 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.12.52 # "Convert lost chains to files Y/N" what does that mean?? 01.12.53 Quit evilnick_ ("TTFN") 01.13.53 Quit intrados (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.13.54 Join evilnick [0] (n=evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 01.14.03 # stebbi92 - that's a bit off topic here, it's a question about chkdsk, rather than a question about rockbox. I *think* it means that the filesystem has some clusters that look like they're used but aren't linked to a filename, so chkdsk will go create a fake filename just to recover them for you. 01.14.21 # but the resulting file will probably be garbage / unusable 01.14.51 # stebbi92 - when you said you "reboot", did you cleanly shut down and restart, or did you do a 'hard' reboot? 01.15.07 # cleanly shut down rockbox 01.15.27 # as in "long play" hold 01.15.44 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.22 # ok. just had to check! because that could otherwise cause filesystem corruption. (did it really prompt you "to reboot"? If so, we should reword that, in my opinion) 01.16.49 # as for the 'charging while not plugged in', that's because the battery readings are inaccurate for the first few minutes after starting up 01.17.05 # yeah, it said "reboot to activate" or something alike, but it did have the word "reboot" in it :P 01.17.24 # yuk 01.17.44 Join bg4545 [0] (n=bg4545@pool-71-103-42-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.18.08 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 01.19.29 Quit bg4545 (Client Quit) 01.19.39 # wait, this is good 01.19.40 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.19.56 # now my hard drive isn't spinning like a motherf***** 01.20.14 # and my battery seems to be quite stable while building the database 01.21.35 # it seems my HD was corrupted after something, seems to be working now, just waiting for the database to be constructed 01.21.54 Quit GeekShadow ("The cake is a lie !") 01.22.03 # and by the way, are you familiar with the bug where the iPod doesn't shut down when you hold the play button until you play a song? 01.22.05 # stebbi92: :) 01.23.08 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 01.23.20 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.23.25 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.23.39 Nick JdGordon1 is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@pa58-109-194-170.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.24.15 # does anyone know how long I should have to wait before being able to power up my e280V2 after adding aprox 100 or more songs? 01.24.33 # wait, now my iPod "ran out of battery" even though it's fully charged, and now my HD is acting loud again :O 01.25.11 # is there any way to do this via PC? 01.26.57 # i've got to go now, i'll check this out later, thanks for your help guys 01.27.04 # might just be my iPod's battery going bad 01.27.05 Quit stebbi92 ("CGI:IRC") 01.27.25 # clefurgey: why are you waiting at all? 01.27.50 Part toffe82 01.28.40 # um, because I was told to? I'm clueless about this sort of thing, so forgive the dumb questions haha. 01.30.50 # The person who helped me with the install said that if you add a load of music to the player, the database likes to scan it, and that it could take up to five mins. Well i've been waiting way longer than that, with no luck. 01.30.54 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.32.08 Quit FOAD (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01.32.08 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 01.36.20 # If I hold down power for ten seconds I can get rockbox talking, but can't seem to see my files? I dunno. 01.37.09 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.42.49 Nick bubsy_ is now known as bubsy (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 01.44.22 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 01.44.50 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 01.45.22 Quit clefurgey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.46.22 Join fanta2 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 01.48.53 # is there any way to get a number of files represented in the tagcache? 01.52.07 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.54.40 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.57.57 Join clefurgey [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 01.59.26 Quit intrados1 (Connection timed out) 02.02.31 # I have another weird issue. According to the free space thing in rockbox, I have less space than when I started, so the files have to be there somewhere. what am I doing wrong? 02.03.17 Quit Rob2222 (Remote closed the connection) 02.04.45 # set the "show files" setting in the quickscreen to "all" 02.05.02 # the music folder gets the hidden flag so it isnt shown in the default files browser 02.05.30 # ok, let me try that. 02.07.30 Join intrados1 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 02.08.14 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD102.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.08.59 # all i see are file 1, file 2, etc. and if I hit select on them nothing happens. 02.14.03 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 02.15.56 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23003): Brickmania: Fix the paddle drawing - The strides were wrong with paddles other than the standard one. 02.21.19 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.21.20 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 02.21.39 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.21.54 # pixelma: the paddle drawing should be fixed now 02.22.16 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.22.16 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 02.22.35 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.25.00 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 02.29.28 Quit clefurgey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.35.16 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23004): Brickmania: Paddle selection needs to be done with the integer portion, not in fixed point. 02.40.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.41.58 Quit intrados1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.50.16 Quit fanta2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.59.57 Quit bughunter2 ("Leaving.") 03.02.15 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.03.14 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 03.12.06 Quit ED_209 ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]") 03.12.55 Join fanta2 [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 03.13.53 Quit compguy248 ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 03.22.03 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-3-15.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.24.49 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-0efa70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 03.25.05 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.35.28 Quit fanta2 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.54.51 Part froggyman 04.07.53 Quit TheSeven (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.13 Join The_Seven [0] (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-146-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.08.25 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (n=theseven@dslb-084-056-146-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.10.33 Join Topy [0] (n=Topy44@g228138033.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.13.12 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@f049006084.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.13.47 Quit Topy44 (Client Quit) 04.13.59 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@f049006084.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.14.29 Quit HellDragon (Client Quit) 04.20.03 Quit Topy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.33.23 # loving this Rockbox.. its so nice 04.34.09 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 04.36.21 Quit Strife89 ("Bed.") 04.38.25 Quit T44 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.41 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 04.38.51 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-136-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.40.15 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-237-63.slkc.qwest.net) 04.41.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.46.35 Join HellDragon [0] (i=jd@209.44.118.165) 04.53.09 Quit panni__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.31.30 Quit Hillshum ("Ex-Chat") 05.56.40 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23005): LCD scrolling routines: Fix the screen scrolling boundary with Vertical Strides. 05.59.39 Join intrados1 [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 06.10.29 Quit markun_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.12.41 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.15.40 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 06.20.26 Join Outpost [0] (n=chatzill@ool-ad03bb2e.dyn.optonline.net) 06.25.25 Part Outpost 06.25.30 Join Outpost [0] (n=chatzill@ool-ad03bb2e.dyn.optonline.net) 06.27.16 Quit tarbo (Connection timed out) 06.28.43 Quit Outpost ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 06.30.45 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 06.40.34 Join Tristan [0] (i=tristan@i.dont.want.to.die.virgin.net.in) 06.41.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.47.48 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 06.52.46 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23006): PPM viewer - initial support for vertical strides - scaler needs to be modified for full support. 06.53.58 Quit Trista260 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.57.20 Quit evilnick ("TTFN") 07.11.29 Nick Bob_C_ is now known as Bob_C (n=chatzill@host86-141-199-226.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) 07.13.14 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.20.06 Quit Horscht (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.22.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.26.26 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@pa58-111-24-29.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 07.26.43 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm46.delta91.maxonline.com.sg) 07.29.00 Join JdGordon2 [0] (n=jonno@pa58-109-134-97.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 07.44.17 Quit Tristan (Client Quit) 07.45.00 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.46.28 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 07.46.48 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-172-245.cust.bredband2.com) 07.49.11 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 07.50.10 Quit JdGordon2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.51.26 Quit linuxguy3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.51.52 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 07.53.01 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.17 # gevaerts: about the two USB prober logs: the only differences I could see were really tiny ones in the hmm... bit fields (? hope that's what the part in hex is called) but I don't know if it means something especially since those were two different devices. I could try with an HID disabled build but not today. 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IAD is the "new" USB multi-function spec 10.29.28 Join clefurgey [0] (i=www-data@giant.haxx.se) 10.35.52 # there are a lot more rockbox-able players available for sale than I thought 10.37.14 # If anyone's around, can you confirm that to put music on the e280v2, all you do is plug the player in and copy/paste? for some reason my player comes up in mtp mode when I just plug it in without pressing anything. Is this normal? 10.38.47 # zagor: oh? where are you located? Granted I haven't looked around, but it'd be nice to know in case my sansa ever dies. 10.39.45 # clefurgey: I'm just looking on the net. amazon is a good place to start. c200 and e200, huge amounts of old ipods etc. 10.40.15 # clefurgey: I think there's a MTP/UMS setting in the original firmware 10.40.40 # zagor: oh, I thought you meant like in stores and such. Thanks for the info though. 10.41.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.41.21 # yeah these are new and refurbished. I'm not counting used ones. 10.41.45 # I'm in sweden. we don't go out unless we have to ;-) 10.42.32 # I love rockbox so far, except for the music issues i'm having. 10.43.14 # I'd like to get a cheap Gigabeat F if you see one 10.45.13 # ah, that's cool, i'm in Canada. 10.46.03 # Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20091007#21:44:55 10.46.14 Join bubsy [0] (n=bubsy@94.139.72.137) 10.48.03 # gevaerts: oddness 10.48.26 # Bob_C: both F40 and F10 are available on amazon. cheap is a matter of definition :-) 10.48.29 # Is anyone using rockbox on a sansa e280v2? 10.51.09 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.55.27 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@f049006084.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.00.58 Join esperegu [0] (n=quassel@s559081d2.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 11.09.07 Quit clefurgey ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.09.07 Join PyroBor [0] (n=pyrobor@panda.patware.si) 11.20.10 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 11.20.42 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 11.21.01 Quit TopyMobile (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.23.06 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@f049006084.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.36.08 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 11.36.42 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 11.44.14 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 11.44.47 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 12.16.57 Join petur [0] (n=peter@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.20.56 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (n=ypsy@87.106.45.183) 12.23.37 # Does somebody know how I can remove those default folders on the fuze (the ones delivered with fuze AND the ones rockbox provides)? 12.26.22 # I've no idea about what folders the Fuze's original firmware uses, but what Rockbox folders do you want to remove? 12.33.01 # we only "provide" one don't we? And that's required because that's where Rockbox is installed to.... 12.38.20 # No if I'm opening the "Files" tab theres one called ##Music# and one called ##Port# 12.40.34 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 12.41.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.42.24 # Ypsy: neither of which are Rockbox folders. 12.42.31 # hmm ok 12.42.34 # weird 12.42.38 # ty :) 12.43.03 # And removing them is as simple as deleting them with rockbox. 12.43.16 # the problem you will have is that when you return to the Original Firmware for USB, it will recreate them. 12.48.24 Quit parafin (Remote closed the connection) 12.50.18 Join parafin [0] (n=operator@paraf.in) 12.53.40 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 12.58.31 Join dottedmag [0] (n=dottedma@altlinux/developer/dottedmag) 12.58.58 Quit parafin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.59.06 Join parafin [0] (i=parafin@paraf.in) 13.16.44 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.29.34 Quit JackWinter2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.33.19 # You people still didn't find time to upload source tarball of rockbox utility for version 1.2.3 to the download server? 13.35.00 # PyroBor: I have no idea who was supposed to do that. 13.37.51 Join JackWinter [0] (n=jack@vodsl-10804.vo.lu) 13.41.19 # PyroBor, the source is easily available from the subversion repository, too 13.44.09 # and also bluebrother made a tarball that is located http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-1.2.3.tar.bz2, but i am making spell (somthing like ebuild is for gentoo) update for SMGL and I think is a bit pointless to change download URL just for one version. 13.45.18 # He also asked Badger to upload it but he is on vacation it seems. (I was here few days back) 13.47.47 Join enthdegree [0] (n=enthdegr@adsl-150-133-136.rmo.bellsouth.net) 13.52.05 # What's the best implementation of rockbox on a device so far? 13.53.19 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@168.16.238.225) 13.57.27 # do you mean what is the best device to run Rockbox on? 13.59.11 # Yes. c200vI seems appealing to me because of its form factor, but how stable/functional is it? 14.00.50 # The c200 port is in quite a good state at the moment. 14.00.59 # I should know; I own one. :) 14.01.19 # lol. Can you play video on it ok? 14.01.43 # enthdegree: It'll play, but the screen is so friggin' small that it's not a very enjoyable experience. 14.02.02 # enthdegree: Not to mention the low-ish resolution (132x80). 14.02.07 # lol, I thought so. 14.02.07 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.02.13 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@119.224.12.185) 14.02.35 # still quite impressive that you can do that much with something that costs 20-30 bucks on ebay. 14.03.05 # enthdegree: For music playback and brief rounds of Jewels, Rockblox, and so on, it's a very good device overall. :) 14.03.05 # how much disk space is on that? 14.03.17 # janne_oksanen: The c250 comes with 2 GB. 14.03.23 # nice 14.03.26 # However, you can add USD cards. 14.03.36 # s/USD/microSD 14.03.47 # µSD 14.04.03 # I can't type the micro symbol quickly. :) 14.04.28 # it's alt gr. + m for me on the Finnish layout 14.04.36 # oh also, does the text viewer work well? Was planning on putting a folder-nested bible on it, but if its no good I might sleep on it. :P 14.05.03 # enthdegree: Yeah, the text viewer's actually pretty usable on the c200. :) 14.05.30 # janne_oksanen: I have an American English keyboard. :) 14.05.59 # that one doesn't even have the alt gr key 14.06.02 # does it? 14.06.10 # I have been using an 8GB uSD on my c250. Get a 16 GB one if you have the money; if your habits are anything like mine, you'll need it. 14.06.13 # janne_oksanen: No. 14.06.23 # janne_oksanen: Just two plain Alt keys. 14.06.29 # I'm just listening to 600mb of podcasts.lol 14.07.07 # oh, and *most importantly* how well does doom and the gameboy emulator work? (' 14.07.12 # (; 14.07.40 # enthdegree: Doom is decently playable, but again, mind the small screen. :) 14.07.57 # hahah that's kind of the achilles heel of this, isn't it. 14.07.59 # enthdegree: You may consider remapping the keys to assist playability. 14.08.18 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.08.30 # enthdegree: Also, playing the Gameboy emulator is a YMMV situation. 14.08.30 # pshaw, I don't own any gameboy roms anyway. 14.09.05 # Ok. Thanks for the heads up. ;D 14.09.13 # enthdegree: Games with lots of required text may be difficult to play if you haven't memorized it beforehand, for example. 14.09.44 # enthdegree: Also, you'd probably want to turn off sound and bump frameskip up to 2 or 3. 14.09.57 # "...But the princess is in another castle" "Thank you mario!" Shouldn't be too bad. 14.10.19 # enthdegree: Super Mario Bros. Deluxe actually isn't too bad on it. :) 14.10.25 # nice. 14.10.32 # enthdegree: Again, it helps to remap the buttons, though. 14.11.02 # I put B on Vol. Up and A on Rec., for example. 14.11.19 # Normally A is on Select, and B is on Rec. 14.11.43 # Ok. This thing can be remapped for left-handers too, right? I think I saw a thread on that a while back... 14.12.16 # enthdegree: Yes, there's an option to invert the screen. 14.12.23 # grood. 14.12.54 # I had gotten used to using it right-handedly, though, as I used the OF for about 3 months before I discovered Rockbox. :) 14.12.55 Quit esperegu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.13.39 # Ok, great. {c: 14.13.48 # Is there anything else I should know? 14.13.51 # :P 14.14.05 # Hmmm. 14.14.09 # Lemme think. 14.14.47 # Recording quality is decent for voice material, if you decide to use that feature. 14.14.53 # Oh: Does it still use MTP? I need this thing to synch with songbird or at least rythmbox. 14.14.58 Join JackWinter2 [0] (n=jack@vodsl-10804.vo.lu) 14.15.22 # Or does it just look like a mass storage device? 14.15.36 # enthdegree: The c200v1 OF does have an MTP option (some ONLY have that option, and you'll have to downgrade to OF). 14.15.59 # enthdegree: Rockbox itself does not (yet) support MTP. 14.16.11 # enthdegree: As far as I'm aware, at least. 14.16.36 # enthdegree: And MTP in the OF is useless to you, as Rockbox won't be able to see the music. 14.17.11 # Ok, rats. 14.17.19 # enthdegree: I seem to remember a patch for MTP support, though. 14.17.27 # Strife89: It won't? Where does it put the files then? 14.18.07 # linuxstb: The OF seems to encrypt and rename the files when using MTP. 14.18.23 # reminds me of the gigabeat OF.. 14.18.24 # ???!? 14.18.29 # linuxstb: Rename = extension as well. 14.18.53 # Then you don't want to use MTP... 14.19.13 # linuxstb, enthdegree: Not with the OF, anyway. 14.19.39 # enthdegree: Just stick with MSC until when (and if) Rockbox supports it. 14.20.08 # enthdegree: I imagine you may be able to sync anyway, if you just specify the desired folder. 14.21.36 # Oh ok, thats fine then. 14.22.07 # enthdegree: Incidentally, you may find something here that helps you. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools 14.22.22 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.208.235) 14.23.34 # Great,thanks. 14.24.04 # Well, thanks for all of your help! 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Or is it the size in (4-byte) words ? 20.36.37 # don't ask me :-) but i would expect bytes 20.36.45 # * TheSeven has a look at that code himself 20.37.05 # Just tried RbUtil autodetect on Vista x64. Didn't work at all. It crashed, I think... 20.38.28 # linuxstb: looks like you made me spot a bug 20.38.37 # my code expects it to be bytes, and in fact it seems to be words 20.38.50 # TheSeven: That's what was confusing me... 20.38.55 Join Hadaka [0] (n=naked@naked.iki.fi) 20.39.11 # * linuxstb is used to these kinds of functions taking char arrays, and is confused by int arrays 20.40.02 # linuxstb: it's worse. i already fixed aes_decrypt (bytes) and aes_encrypt was still using words 20.40.40 # int arrays are lots faster for the cbc 20.40.59 # but that they're using int arrays internally shouldn't be exposed to the user 20.41.18 # Yes, I'm not saying you shouldn't use them, just that I'm personally not used to seeing them used... 20.41.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.41.32 # * TheSeven is about to have a look at how to properly power off that thing now 20.41.56 # "that thing" = "nano2g" ? 20.42.00 # yep 20.42.19 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 20.42.20 # well, i know how to forcibly shut off power, but the LCD doesn't really like that 20.42.47 # what also needs to be fixed soon is the clickwheel being not (properly?) re-initialized when releasing the hold switch 20.43.08 # Reinitializing the clickwheel when releasing the hold switch... ;) 20.43.14 # It's already done for CPU_PP 20.44.20 # btw, what is the "power off" function in rockbox supposed to do? suspend to RAM, or really power off? 20.44.26 # Really power off. 20.44.38 # how can the user suspend it? 20.44.43 # They can't. 20.45.09 Join TopyMobile_ [0] (n=topy@xdsl-78-34-64-103.netcologne.de) 20.45.10 # so you'll always need to reboot rockbox afterwards... not very cool. 20.45.28 # He, just bought another e200. Assumed it would be a v2, but it wasn't... :) 20.45.32 # That's why we want very fast boot times... 20.45.43 # (and bootloaders that don't get in the way). 20.46.03 Quit Hadaka (Remote closed the connection) 20.46.06 # what's preventing suspend2ram? (i.e. the way apple is doing it?) 20.47.12 # I think amiconn has thought about that problem - he did the port to the (original) 1st/2nd gen ipods, which can't physically be powered off. So Rockbox needs to have some kind of sleep mode there. But it hasn't been done yet. 20.47.40 # I think the issue is what happens when you wake up. 20.48.35 # isn't it like everything else, just that noone's done it yet? 20.49.19 # * linuxstb stops speculating and waits for amiconn to comment 20.49.57 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.50.17 Quit stoffel_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.50.35 # n1s' guess seems like a safe bet ;) 20.50.53 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-142-150.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 20.50.55 # Yes, but why has no-one done it yet? 20.51.31 # lack of time, interest, knowledge...as usual 20.51.36 # because it's probably a lot of work just to save a few seconds on every boot 20.51.38 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.51.49 Join big91 [0] (n=Big78@adsl-75-45-68-234.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.52.01 # * kugel doesn't think it would be very worthwhile on the targets he uses 20.52.14 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@62.237.32.210) 20.52.14 # maybe on the yh925 20.52.28 Quit JackWinter (Remote closed the connection) 20.52.36 # * TheSeven thinks of just jumping to the crt0 entry point after waking to get things in place again 20.52.47 # so you would only have the rockbox boot process, not the apple one 20.52.49 # n1s: on the 1st and 2nd gen Ipods it's not a matter of boot time though 20.53.02 # TheSeven: Pre-initialised data would be wrong then. 20.53.04 # not only 20.53.05 # sure it's a cool feature, but i don't think it brings much (except for the early ipods that can't be turned off of course) 20.53.33 # linuxstb: well, that should be fixable relatively easy (at least at the expense of some RAM) 20.53.49 # pixelma: yeah, but those suffer from mthe fact that almost no devs have them 20.54.00 # TheSeven: You mean permanently store a copy of that segment? 20.54.19 # yes, and handle it like the intvects 20.55.07 # i think that should only be some few KB, which won't really hurt a 32MB target 20.55.14 Join JackWinter [0] (n=jack@vodsl-10804.vo.lu) 20.55.42 # TheSeven: if you do it that way, you can just rolo rockbox.ipod I think 20.55.58 Quit TopyMobile_ (Remote closed the connection) 20.55.59 # kugel: That would mean re-initialising the ata/fat/etc drivers. 20.56.26 # linuxstb: that's going to happen with jumping to the crt0 entry point too 20.56.38 # that's points to main(), which does all the initialising 20.56.57 # kugel: and relies on .rwdata being correct 20.58.20 # closing all threads and tick tasks (except a wake-up one), and adding a giant sleep in root_menu() should do it, shouldn't it? 20.58.31 # * TheSeven just spotted that diagflsh sub_8008A7C is shutting down the LCD 20.58.49 Part big91 ("Ex-Chat") 20.59.05 # kugel: depends on what kind of hardware will lose it's state during this 20.59.50 Join Hadaka [0] (n=naked@naked.iki.fi) 20.59.53 # the hardware would be shut off 21.00.09 # (except cpu and ram, that is) 21.01.10 # * kugel thinks rolo'ing rockbox.* would be the easiest way for waking up (almost) properly 21.01.59 # TheSeven: Is anything else needed apart from PWRCONEXT &= ~0x400 ? It still seems to freeze.. 21.04.24 # TheSeven: Sorry, ignore that. Seems I hadn't recompiled it... It's now doing something. 21.04.55 # New commit by 03kugel (r23010): Use TIME_BEFORE() and redo a macro slightly. 21.09.52 # http://pastie.org/647325 looks....strange! (from chopper) 21.10.52 Quit Hadaka (Remote closed the connection) 21.13.42 # kugel: i would expect most things on the SOC to keep state, not just the CPU 21.13.52 # why? 21.14.24 # as far as i can tell, most of the power supplies stay on, and just the clocks are killed 21.14.28 # well, turn as much of as we're able to 21.15.58 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 21.16.01 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 21.17.07 # linuxstb: you're having the bad LCD again. shutting down mine is 4 commands, yours is 30 21.17.19 # ;) 21.18.13 # New commit by 03kugel (r23011): Fix chopper to actually remember the level. instead of overriding it on start. 21.20.50 # linuxstb: can the commands in the nano2g driver which set the gram adress and stuff be combined in some lcd_window function? 21.21.27 # kugel: Yes, I thought of that, but haven't got round to it. 21.21.48 # is the 2nd gen nano's display as nicely readable without backlight as the first gen's? 21.22.33 # linuxstb: just slightly annoyed me to see the same set of commands duplicated :) 21.22.50 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.50 Join efyx_ [0] (n=efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 21.22.52 # the args in lcd_update() look a bit special though 21.23.21 # pixelma: I wouldn't say nicely, but it's readable. It seems similar to the Color/Photo and Video - I haven't seen a 1st gen nano. 21.24.29 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 21.25.41 Join chandoo [0] (n=chandoo@ool-4353b978.dyn.optonline.net) 21.25.50 # hmm... my impression of the Photo was that it's not as nice as the Video which I compared to my impression of the Nano (the latter two just seen occasionally each - at DevCon 2007 and when amiconn had Linus' Video, so from memory) 21.26.09 # New commit by 03nls (r23012): FS#10661 by Seth Opgenorth, adding more levels to brickmania 21.29.07 # hmm, forgot to mention that i had to reflow the long comment to fit the 80 chars limit 21.34.47 # pixelma: that highly depends on ambient light and the colors used on the lcd 21.35.15 # white-on-black is barely readable, while black-on-white is quite easy, as usual 21.35.35 # what? 21.36.04 # so powering the backlight on if a panic happens shouldn't be really neccessary 21.37.34 # sorry, I read that wrong 21.41.07 # TheSeven: does it do that right now? 21.41.24 # * kugel thinks the samsas don't do that for some reason 21.41.42 # yep, it does 21.41.43 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-172-245.cust.bredband2.com) 21.41.52 # the fuze's screen isn't readable at all, so is the e200's 21.42.17 # * pixelma slaps kugel for keeping that stupid non-typoed typo 21.42.40 # originally it was a typo actually 21.43.39 # * linuxstb also thinks it should have stayed that way 21.43.40 # I know but it could easily lead to misunderstandings if someone things it is a typo now... 21.44.16 # can we abandon "beast" too then? 21.45.04 # either we like abbreviating ports, or we don't 21.46.14 # well what other targets fit there? Samsa could easily be read as Sansa (all Sansas in general) while I wouldn't know what beast could be read as. I wouldn't be opposed to abandon it too 21.46.32 # though 21.46.41 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.46.42 # what about sAMSa? 21.47.17 # TheSeven: I see target specific no code for turning the backlight on, so I guess I didn't remember correctly 21.47.47 Join Hadaka [0] (n=naked@naked.iki.fi) 21.47.57 # I see no target specific code* 21.48.53 Join compguy248 [0] (n=chatzill@208.101.131.106.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 21.49.17 Quit esperegu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.38 # n1s: ping 21.50.38 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@88-123-151-129.rev.libertysurf.net) 21.50.54 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 21.51.16 # TheSeven: would be a bit better but it still sounds (and looks) silly to me (while "beast" is a usual English word sAMSa isn't) 21.51.31 Join preglow_ [0] (i=thomj@tvilling.pvv.ntnu.no) 21.52.05 Quit preglow (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.52.33 Quit shai ("Leaving") 21.53.15 # froggyman: yo called? 21.53.18 # you 21.54.05 # in fact it took me minutes to figure out what samsa meant the first time i noticed it isn't a typo 21.54.19 # n1s: yesterday you told be to remind you about FS#10661 21.54.35 # froggyman: he already committed it 21.54.58 # TheSeven: ohh... didnt see that 21.55.36 # * froggyman looks at the main page and sees his name right there 22.03.52 # pixelma: being an actual word makes beast worse imo 22.06.18 # what's bad about the beast? It actually is a beast, in various aspects :) 22.06.30 Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.06.50 # froggyman: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/brickmania.htm doesn't seem to exist (but http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/brickmania.htm does) 22.09.08 # * froggyman copied the link out of his URL bar 22.09.24 # kugel: hmm... that should probably be changed 22.10.05 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r23013): Don't warn if the archive has to be created. 22.11.10 Quit chandoo ("Leaving") 22.11.18 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.01 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 22.19.59 # RockContacts... 22.20.08 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.21.39 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 22.24.23 # heh, I just noticed this on the calendar plugin: when you view a day with it's events, it says "Events (play: menu)" 22.24.37 # but that's wrong, on the ipod video, select brings up the menu 22.27.01 # rasher: I was thinking about FS#9233. What do you think about this: http://pastebin.ca/1605059 ? 22.28.36 # bluebrother: If that works as expected (use system libspeex except if none exists, or if building staticly), it sounds like a nice and simple solution 22.28.46 # Mine certainly wasn't 22.30.43 Join preglow [0] (n=thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no) 22.30.57 Quit preglow_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.31.53 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 22.33.01 # well, as far as I could try it it works nicely. Need to adjust rbutil for that too, though. 22.33.14 # * bluebrother goes trying on windows but doesn't expect anything special 22.34.32 Join freqmod_qu [0] (i=quasselg@dhcp208-240.ed.ntnu.no) 22.35.23 Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.35.45 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.36.59 Join liar|netbook [0] (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 22.38.51 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8F463.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.39.07 # the only thing that is a bit annoying is the "make: pkg-config: Command not found" warning on windows. Building works fine though. 22.41.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.42.46 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.22 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 22.47.40 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 22.50.12 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.54 # New commit by 03theseven (r23014): Implemented iPod Nano 2G power_off() 22.58.31 # linuxstb: can you have a quick look if your LCD powers down correctly with that? 22.58.55 # I can't see what one could do wrong there, but let's better double-check that 22.59.23 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 23.01.11 Join SUSaiyan` [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 23.01.47 Quit SUSaiyan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.02.15 # TheSeven: Sure, compiling now. 23.02.54 # TheSeven: BTW, your commits are adding more warnings... 23.03.10 # oops, where? 23.03.21 # i didn't get any while recompiling my changes 23.03.57 # ok, I see what you mean 23.04.09 # I get warnings in your RTC code, and this commit gives a warning about an implicit declaration of 'lcd_off being 23.04.16 # s/being// 23.04.32 # * TheSeven wonders where this is declared explicitly 23.04.48 # All looks good to me. 23.04.53 # Probably lcd.h 23.05.00 # nope, that's what I included 23.05.02 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 23.05.44 # I'm not sure lcd_off is the correct name though. 23.05.53 # there was a stub with that name... 23.06.03 # but that #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_AS_MAIN has confused me now 23.06.23 # Yes, it looks like that function is for something else. 23.06.45 # so it's rather lcd_poweroff? but that is in the same ifdef? 23.07.23 # how deep is lcd_sleep()? 23.07.34 Join JackWinter2 [0] (n=jack@vodsl-10804.vo.lu) 23.07.48 # Likely candidates are lcd_enable(), lcd_sleep() or lcd_shutdown()... 23.08.51 # can we use shifts to multiply *signed* ints by 2^x ß 23.09.31 # iiuc, shifts are a bit questionable on signed, as not all hardware might not have arithmetic shift instructions 23.09.45 # lcd_shutdown() is only existant for the other ipod targets 23.10.28 # since some hardware might lack arithmetic shift instructions* 23.10.29 # kugel: as long as you shift left, logical shift = arithmetic shift 23.10.41 Join intrados [0] (n=intrados@cpe-75-187-57-252.columbus.res.rr.com) 23.11.04 # TheSeven: only if the number non-negative 23.11.10 # why? 23.11.19 # 2's complement is doing the trick again... 23.11.22 # the sign bit 23.11.29 # TheSeven: lcd_shutdown() seems consistent with those targets as least. 23.11.34 # s/as/at/ 23.11.46 # (it's also called from power_off() 23.11.58 # ok, so I'll go for that one 23.12.09 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.12.10 # TheSeven: the sign bit can get shifted away, can't it? 23.12.11 # kugel: the sign bit will stay one as long as there is no overflow 23.12.16 # In fact it's not called from there... 23.12.42 # It's called from firmware/powermgmt.c - which is better. 23.12.59 # is this done before power_off()? 23.13.10 # TheSeven: the sign bit is gone in a logical shift 23.13.17 # Yes. That looks like the place you should unmount the NAND as well. 23.13.28 # kugel: not if you shift left, only if you shift right 23.14.13 # alright indeed, I get it now 23.14.15 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 23.14.22 # but yea, only if there's no overflow 23.14.39 # yes. but if there is an underflow/overflow, it will behave like a multiplication 23.14.47 # i.e. just wrap around 23.15.05 # so no need for using multiplications instead of that 23.15.05 # * kugel will just make the var in question unsigned :P 23.15.40 # ...which will only allow by shifting one more bit before it wraps, even though the wrapped number will be positive, too 23.17.04 Join domonoky1 [0] (n=Domonoky@g229226096.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.17.42 # * TheSeven will rework that powerdown code tomorrow 23.18.49 # I'm still in favor of shutting down the LCD after unmounting, as it may else panic with LCD off, which is not good. 23.19.20 # so the unmount indeed needs to be moved into powermgmt.c, but there is nothing that fits in there yet 23.20.21 # this isn't gonna be a small patch :-/ 23.20.27 # * TheSeven will go to bed now 23.20.55 # New commit by 03tomers (r23015): Updated Hebrew language - fix parentheses not shown properly 23.21.36 # TheSeven: Why doesn't it fit there? 23.21.56 Quit JackWinter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.22.19 # TheSeven: shutting down seems fine on my nano2g. 23.22.21 # i meant that i don't see anything being called in there that could be used for that, so we'll need to touch powermgmt.c and probably storage.c to do it properly 23.23.45 # user 23.23.49 # ups 23.23.57 # password: 23.24.07 # huh? 23.24.17 # pass :-) 23.24.24 # I was just prompting the password for the user "ups" ;-) 23.26.41 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r23016): If available, use the systems libspeex when linking rbspeex(enc|dec) and rbutil dynamically. This is similar to FS#9233 but utilizes pkg-config. 23.27.52 # list_of_open_rbutil_tasks-- :) 23.28.59 # * bluebrother spots a new translation for rbutil 23.29.21 # too bad, I wanted to get that chinachip strings stuff cleaned up. Well. 23.31.43 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 23.31.56 Quit domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.41 # mc2739: ping 23.39.11 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@87.106.45.183) 23.39.46 Join notlistening [0] (n=tom@94-195-105-95.zone9.bethere.co.uk) 23.39.59 Quit intrados (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.40.14 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r23017): Czech translation for Rockbox Utility (FS#10662 by Pavel Rzehák). 23.40.29 # domonoky1, getting a build error with the opensapi patch when building on lin#ux 23.40.57 # notlistening: is this with my newest patch ? 23.41.15 # domonoky1, yup 23.41.41 # was attempting to test on ubuntu for you 23.42.56 Quit SUSaiyan` () 23.42.58 # notlistening: can you pastebin the error ? (i also testing my newest patch in a ubuntu vm, but i may have missed something when i created the patch.) 23.46.36 # linuxstb, TheSeven: The issue with suspend is that rockbox isn't prepared for proper suspend handling atm 23.46.54 Quit JackWinter2 (Remote closed the connection) 23.47.41 Quit compguy248 ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]") 23.47.56 # Suspend needs a method to tell all all drivers to put their hardware in a sane state for suspend, and put all threads into a suitable state as well 23.48.05 Join JackWinter [0] (n=jack@vodsl-10804.vo.lu) 23.48.26 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r23018): Add Czech translation to the resources too. 23.48.31 # Right now what rockbox does on shutdown is to exit most threads, and deinit some hardware "by hand" in a quite uncoordinated fashion 23.50.34 # kugel: suspend is not that simple 23.50.55 Join SUSaiyan [0] (n=SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) 23.51.06 # bluebrother: what do you think about splitting the tts.cpp/h file into individual files ? (it gets bigger and bigger with more tts classes) 23.51.40 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 23.51.57 # domonoky1: sure. I'm generally not too fond of having multiple classes in the same file. 23.52.26 Join lifeless_ [0] (n=lifeless@94.50.161.110) 23.56.05 Quit ender` (" Sleep, n An inadequate substitute for caffeine") 23.56.29 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.")