--- Log for 23.11.109 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 16 hours ago 00.01.58 Quit salty_horse ("Leaving") 00.03.36 # where i can whatch the steps of fuze's develop? 00.04.43 Part froggyman 00.05.17 # * kugel is impressed that he can get a 250% speedup on the fuze 00.05.21 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.05.55 # darkham: SVN logs, or this channel 00.06.39 # kugel: how? 00.06.43 Quit kugel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.07.43 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.08.01 # saratoga: i'm using rockbox, from august on a fuze v1 and i can't talk about it bad... 00.08.11 # i never had a crash 00.08.33 # and battery life isn't bad (i hear only flac files...) 00.09.01 # i look sometimes video errors, for 1-2 seconds max 00.10.34 Quit archivator ("Leaving") 00.15.47 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 00.20.35 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 00.22.26 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 00.24.12 Join bobrules [0] (n=aka@CPE00032f3a0ced-CM0013718c1238.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.24.23 # Hello everyone, the pitch detector is not working for me 00.24.27 # is somethign wrong? 00.26.31 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=23366 , what about fuze v2 version? 00.31.02 # what rockbox do if i link an ipod to a car stereo with remote controller? 00.36.48 Quit bobrules () 00.38.14 # is there a specific reason why HAVE_MULTIVOLUME is disabled for the ipod video? 00.39.13 # because it doesnt have it 00.41.42 # its just because i have multiple partitions on my ipod video(because there are bad sectors in between) so its not disabled because of a bug or something? 00.42.41 # bug? are you trying to insinuate something? :) 00.44.26 Quit efyx_ (Remote closed the connection) 00.44.52 # no, its disabled, because most people dont need it 00.44.57 # no never ;) 00.45.00 # okay 00.54.14 Join AEnima1577 [0] (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 00.56.13 # liar: the proper way of doing that is marking them as bad but keeping it a single partition, done that myself on several players 00.56.46 # its a bit of a mess to do though, on the first one i ended up doing it by hand, editing the FAT with a hexeditor - not exactly for the squeamish :) 00.59.21 Quit AlexP (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.59.32 Join AlexP [0] (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 00.59.49 # which tool did you use? i tried to do that with mkfs.vfat -c but that seemed to never finish 01.02.23 # Topy44: and hand editing would take to long i think, there are thousands of bad sectors 01.03.16 # well, in my case it was "somewhere near the center", i just used some tool to find the first broken sector and then marked like 1gb or so after that 01.03.21 # to be sure to get them all 01.03.27 # then scan it again to be sure i didnt miss any 01.03.44 # that player is still in use with its original hd btw 01.05.05 # i cant remember exactly what my workflow was, but it involved connecting the disk directly to the computer through an adapter, dumping the FAT to a file, editing it, and writing it back to the hd, then copying it to the backup fat with some other tool 01.05.19 # (its been about 4 years ago) 01.06.04 Quit darkham (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.53 Join darkham [0] (n=ubuntu@host247-32-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.10.04 # 4 years and the hd is still working, nice..., but i think i wont waste to much time on this player as there are ~15GB damaged 01.10.35 # oh ic 01.10.45 # that hd will die soon anyway then 01.11.23 Quit darkham (Remote closed the connection) 01.13.02 # yeah i think so, but its the player of a classmate and he asked me to repair it.. 01.13.48 # can anybody have a look at this: http://freechess.fr.ohost.de/USBundso.txt (usbtrace) and help me to find out whats going wrong with usb on my nano2g? 01.14.51 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 01.19.24 # New commit by 03Blue_Dude (r23717): Prettify debug menu for logf 01.19.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.23.29 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host247-32-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.23.52 Join KBH [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 01.26.34 Quit HBK (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.26.42 Nick KBH is now known as HBK (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com) 01.34.27 Quit JdGordon ("Leaving.") 01.37.50 Part liar ("going to bed, good night") 01.40.40 # JdGordon: (logs) for testing purposes I made an classic_statusbar.160x128x2.sbs and wanted to look at it in an M5 sim. After make install setting custom_statusbar.sbs fails and I see that the wrong file was packageed (the one without annex in the filename). The other fun thing about that is the error output "conditional end" for a line that's completely unrelated and unchanged from the file that worrked on colour displays 01.42.05 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c-24-22-210-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 01.46.15 Quit stripwax (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.49.52 # JdGordon: I meant that I created that file in the source's wps folder in the hope buildzip would pick the right one to package. Other than that I got it working as close as currently possible on colour targets, missing thing is USB power and I possibly need different files for flash targets (most interesting here is the 128x64x1 display because on the Iriver remotes that would probably need the disk icon but the Clip etc. use it tii 01.50.31 # and the lag of the volume display during volume change is really annoying, it even looks like it's skipping numbers 01.50.41 # s/tii/too 01.53.06 # it is, but we can fix that easily 01.54.16 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 01.59.09 Quit Kiddcade ("-=SysReset 2.55=-") 01.59.12 Join Kiddcade [0] (i=WinNT@adsl-65-205-143.tys.bellsouth.net) 02.00.49 Join dmb [0] (n=Dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 02.04.35 Join watto [0] (n=watto@188-221-185-113.zone12.bethere.co.uk) 02.07.06 Quit watto (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.06 Quit killan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.22.04 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.28.00 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 02.35.30 # pixelma: buildzip is very stupid in this area 02.35.30 Quit goffa (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.35.45 # to do it properly you need to use buildwps... but thats alot of effort :p 02.36.16 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@70.33.8.114) 02.39.52 # pixelma: the usb power token was added, so you should be able to do that now 02.41.13 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.47.27 Join Aaron [0] (n=Aaron@adsl-4-241-124.mem.bellsouth.net) 02.56.13 Join bzed_ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 02.56.13 Quit bzed (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.59.04 Join bzed [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.03.00 Quit darkham ("Sto andando via") 03.04.11 Quit bzed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.05.45 Join bzed_ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.05.47 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.07.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.09.59 Quit goffa (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.14.00 Part froggyman 03.14.28 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@70.33.8.114) 03.19.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.22.12 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@76.202.17.167) 03.27.23 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.28.17 Quit bzed (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 03.28.17 Nick bzed_ is now known as bzed (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.44.30 Join tha_ [0] (i=1038@ccc2.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de) 03.45.02 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@82.93.10.238) 03.46.03 Quit tha (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.18 Quit FOAD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.19 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@82.93.10.238) 03.54.57 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.55.07 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 03.57.57 Quit thegeek (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.58.04 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 04.08.27 Quit TheSeven (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.41 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 04.08.46 Join The_Seven [0] (n=theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.08.53 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-151-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 04.08.58 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (n=theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.10.52 Quit panni_ ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.29.46 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.31.48 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 04.39.09 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 04.40.04 Join Talaskina [0] (n=gorlak@cpe-76-88-46-1.san.res.rr.com) 04.44.55 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.09 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 04.45.34 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.47.51 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@124-169-145-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.48.31 Quit gtkspert_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.49.32 Join Topy44 [0] (n=Topy44@f048170226.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.50.03 Join KingJew [0] (i=WinNT@adsl-65-205-143.tys.bellsouth.net) 04.50.59 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.13 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 04.57.28 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.59.20 Join dude187 [0] (n=chris@cpe-75-187-48-206.columbus.res.rr.com) 05.02.10 Quit Kiddcade (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.04.51 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 05.12.04 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.12.41 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.13.47 Quit Zarggg (Excess Flood) 05.14.14 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 05.19.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.19.43 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 05.21.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.07 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 05.22.14 # New commit by 03FlynDice (r23718): AMS Sansa: Handle responses to SD Commands so that response crc checking is accounted for. Adjust sd error codes appropriately. ... 05.22.37 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.28.43 # FlynDice: ping 05.29.07 # saratoga:pong 05.29.27 # have you had any time to look at adjusting the main clock to 31 MHz? 05.29.34 # i remember you said you could make me a patch to test that 05.31.10 # Here's the deal right now, I can run both cards at 31 MHz right now. It plays just fine but if I try to copy from 1 disk to another it fails. 05.31.49 # I can sort of run the internal at 15 MHz but it's very iffy 05.32.04 # what clock is the internal driven off of again? 05.33.55 # good question, I can make a case for clk_IDE and I can make a case against that and for PCLK, just not sure yet... 05.35.38 # you can change line 304 in ata_sd_as3525.c to MCI_CLOCK(drive) = (MCI_CLOCK(drive) & 0xf00) | (your divider here..); to try different speeds. divider is 1/2(div+1) 05.36.47 # FlynDice: what i'm most interested in is trying to reduce the normal clock to 31 MHz and then seeing if I can run the SDRAM at 62 MHz 05.36.48 # so a div of 0 gives you 1/2 mclk speed. you decide what you think mclk is.... 05.37.04 # but i suppose that will reduce the sd clock on it own 05.37.44 # just use MCI_CLOCK(drive) = (MCI_CLOCK(drive) & 0xf00) and that will give you mclk/2 05.37.57 Join AlexC [0] (n=AlexC@unaffiliated/alexc) 05.38.28 # Hello, i'm getting the error "Can't load rockbox.ipod: read failed (image)" on my ipod video 30GB in the bootloader 05.38.55 # do you have that file on your ipod? 05.39.07 # gtg be around later 05.39.37 Part Talaskina ("Konversation terminated!") 05.43.40 # yes 05.43.48 # in the right place 05.44.25 # ipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod 05.45.45 Quit Horschti ("Verlassend") 05.46.47 Join ShapeShifter499 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-68-121-53-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 05.47.03 # hopefully you mean "/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod"? 05.47.09 Quit Aaron ("Emo Time In My Corner... //_-") 05.47.18 Quit AaronM (Remote closed the connection) 05.55.35 Quit saratoga ("Page closed") 06.00.39 # yes 06.00.49 # where / is /media/ipod/ 06.11.25 Quit Strife89 ("Bed.") 06.29.02 Part toffe82 06.35.22 Quit AEnima1577 ("Leaving.") 06.49.41 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.49.48 Quit sinthetek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.50.49 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@f053155029.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.58.53 Quit bluebroth3r (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06.59.49 # * JdGordon looks at the themes.rockbox.org code and cries 07.01.13 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@dhcp126.contactor.se) 07.06.07 # I didn't see the USB powered token... hiding behind the recording channels fix commit 07.06.26 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 07.06.36 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@dslb-084-057-163-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) 07.09.14 Join kuma476 [0] (n=7796e06c@giant.haxx.se) 07.11.35 Quit kuma476 (Client Quit) 07.11.43 # I snuck it in there :) 07.12.31 # I've got a naughty trick to clear the whole viewport so there is no left over pixels from the previous screen.... add a viewport 8high and full width that is just an empty line at the very start of the sbs 07.12.51 # it will only get cleared/drawn if a full redraw happens which is whats wanted 07.15.16 Quit pjm0616 () 07.17.21 # is that the "fix" for the mess you can currently see after e.g. leaving most plugins? 07.18.56 Part AlexC ("Leaving") 07.19.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.19.52 # I mean that the list is drawn full screen and a custom sbs over it (maybe "only" if you specify %Vi and not a custom viewport through the config files 07.19.56 # ) 07.26.18 # JdGordon: you mean if I want to use different files (for different screens), I need to add the appropriate lines to WPSLIST? 07.26.52 # and any chance on ".grey"? 07.29.13 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 07.43.05 # and it looks like I'll need need 8 additional classic_statusbar.sbs file for the flash vs. HD symbol on disk activity; 3 with the target name and 2 made specifically for the Iriver remotes (similar to Icatcher for use with the main displays) :\ 07.44.42 # just the resulution would do for the other 3 currently (screen sizes that only exist on flash based targets - Nano, c200 and e200) 07.46.48 Quit ShapeShifter499 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.46.52 # pixelma: no, the exiting plugins is fixed with a different band aid in 10709... I can probably do the same fix in svn.. but i dont like it 07.47.04 # * pixelma stops talking to herself with the thought of "other things have been done for portability too" 07.47.06 # I can add the .grey thing to buildzip if you want 07.47.18 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.47.36 # would be nice 07.47.38 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 07.47.55 # actually.. we have multi-storage so there is no reason to not add a tag for "storage type"... although I really dont tihnk the icon is important 07.51.40 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.52.04 # and its starting to look like there are enough alternatives for classic_bar.sbs to just go ahead and use WPSLIST instead of the buildzip hack... 07.53.01 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r23719): use classic_statusbar.grey.sbs on grey targets 07.53.09 # there you go 07.53.20 # commit the .grey soonish incase that rbeak the .zips 07.57.14 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r23720): crappy band-aid fix for statusbar being screwed after leaving plugins... 07.58.55 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F2C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.04.22 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 08.05.06 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.05.38 # eek 08.06.24 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203-206-46-209.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.06.50 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r23721): wtf perl? 2 extra chars would kill you? seriously? 08.06.57 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.08.05 # JdGordon: thanks for the .grey 08.08.27 # * JdGordon is happy to do anything he can to get 10709 in :p 08.09.33 # about the flash vs. hd symbol: the other way I could imagine would leave an acceptable amount of .sbs files is if buildzip could take care of that but what will it do if you have to combine things then like .mono.flash? 08.09.53 # yuck 08.10.13 # is the different icon really nessecary? 08.10.35 # *really*? 08.11.22 # I would want it (but then I was one of the flash icon creators) :\ 08.11.58 # but is the added hassle worth it? 08.13.32 # * pixelma has to run off for work 08.18.39 Join ShapeShifter499 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-64-160-118-139.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 08.21.27 Quit droidcore (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08.21.50 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 08.27.05 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 08.28.21 # B4gder: can you kick the build server? I apparently broke it 08.31.02 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.31.13 Join Jake [0] (n=60185bdd@giant.haxx.se) 08.31.13 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@129.241.123.168) 08.48.54 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 08.50.07 # the problem with having that many sbs files in the code that actually contain the same code is if someone wants to change something because that would mean applying the same changes to a few files :/ 08.50.09 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 08.50.19 # s/code/source 08.51.47 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@79.220.208.221) 08.52.52 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 08.56.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.59 # pixelma: As for the activity icon, shouldn't it be sufficient to package a different bmp file and use the same .sbs? 09.02.13 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 09.02.24 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@87.8.166.119) 09.09.09 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 09.09.21 # would be nice but how do you make the packaging system pick a different file? 09.10.00 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.35 # as far as I understood it currently looks into the .wps or .sbs which bitmaps are referenced and packages those 09.14.32 Quit TheSeven (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.15.08 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.18.42 Join Bagder [0] (n=dast@giant.haxx.se) 09.19.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.20.12 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 09.21.27 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.24.18 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.26.22 # amiconn: if you can make that work... ;) 09.27.50 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.29.45 Join SIGSEGV [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 09.30.55 # meh 09.32.36 # * Jake noticed that rockbox supported his Sansa c240. This made him dig it out, take it apart, and solder the headphone jack bakc on (the solder join was somehow broken...) He's been playing that tetris game for like an hour now... 09.32.53 # haha 09.33.06 # and the color settings... 09.33.14 # it's like the first time I used windows 95... 09.33.21 # but you know, it isn't "tetris" (*look* over the shoulder scared of lawsuits) 09.33.38 # yeah I know, but I can't remember the real name 09.34.09 # If only this player had better battery life... 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10.41.29 Join thegeek [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 10.41.52 # I've had no problems so far after leaving plugins so far (using a theme with sbs and ui vp) 10.47.00 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.53 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 10.53.14 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 10.54.42 Quit kugel (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.54.59 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.03.19 # there is a problem if you don't specify a ui vp (even if you have %Vi in your sbs 11.03.27 # ) 11.06.26 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.07.17 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=nnscript@s168c.studby.ntnu.no) 11.11.04 Join kugel__ [0] (i=kugel@141.45.207.156) 11.11.05 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.12.16 # some of those theme related commit discriptions sound increasingly frustrated 11.17.16 Quit funman ("free(random());") 11.19.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.21.56 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.24.23 # kugel: the fun thing about that is, that the list/statusbar *sometimes* fixes itself in the menu 11.29.18 Quit kugel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.35.46 Quit kugel__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.06.27 Join shai [0] (n=Shai@192.117.110.233) 12.12.21 Join mikroflops [0] (n=yogurt@217-208-157-242-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 12.15.42 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=johannes@dslb-088-078-126-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.18.40 Quit Ubuntuxer (Client Quit) 12.22.06 Join at0m [0] (n=at0m@94-225-90-23.access.telenet.be) 12.22.59 Quit flydutch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.24.42 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@79.179.54.236) 12.29.18 Join AaronM [0] (n=Aaron@65.4.241.124) 12.30.07 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de) 12.31.03 Quit antil33t (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.33.49 Quit liar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.39.06 Part at0m ("more has been done with less") 12.43.55 Join vashitn [0] (i=Dillizar@92.158.86.189) 12.44.59 # are there any news for rockbox on gogear hdd 63XX 12.46.36 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.46.45 Quit Tomis (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 12.49.13 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@84.255.206.8) 12.50.09 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.104.8) 12.53.42 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.54.49 Join dfkt_ [0] (n=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.03.19 Quit ender` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.04.06 Quit dfkt_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13.06.07 Join liar [0] (n=liar@212095020196.public.telering.at) 13.13.09 Quit dfkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.18.30 Quit salty-horse (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.19.02 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@79.179.54.236) 13.19.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.22.15 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.24.49 Join watto [0] (n=watto@193.203.81.165) 13.26.40 Part Bagder 13.28.08 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 13.28.15 Join Bagder [0] (n=dast@giant.haxx.se) 13.31.29 Part vashitn 13.40.53 Quit liar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.26 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 13.50.53 Join liar [0] (n=liar@212067224071.public.telering.at) 13.53.37 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm205.delta92.maxonline.com.sg) 14.06.25 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 14.06.34 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 14.19.27 Quit salty-horse (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.20.03 Join salty-horse [0] (n=ori@bzq-79-179-54-236.red.bezeqint.net) 14.38.57 Quit funman ("free(random());") 14.58.19 Quit Tomis (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.07 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.08.12 Join Ubuntuxer [0] (n=johannes@dslb-094-221-095-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.08.16 Quit liar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.15.48 # I would like to start a discussion about how to prevent that plugins becomes unusable with certain backdrops. I opened a bug report FS#10797 but mcuelenaere recommended to ask on the IRC. 15.19.08 # yeah, perhaps plugins that don't adhere to the theme should use a special backdrop 15.19.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.35 # If plugins use the normal backdrop, they should take the UI viewport into account as well as using the theme-specified colours. If not, yes, a clear backrop is probably best 15.24.01 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 15.26.06 # Do you mean with clear backdrop: 'rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); ? 15.26.41 # I mean a non-picture one, I don't know how you do that in a plugin :) 15.28.51 # I would favour a inconspicious background image, because a black or white screen doesn't looks good 15.30.17 # I don't think you actually can. Text colour is configurable, so you can't have a generic background 15.30.47 # The only thing you can do is set it to the configured background colour 15.31.25 # or adapt the plugin to use the UI viewport properly, but I have no idea how to do that and/or how complex it is 15.32.54 Join T44 [0] (n=Topy44@78.48.214.100) 15.33.02 # yes that's right, it isn't such easy 15.33.27 # i will have a look on the ui viewport 15.33.50 # Hi :) I noticed, that everytime I'm in the car listening to music, and I disconnect the iPod 30G (5th gen), while its playing, and I then try to disconnect it, it'll jump to the main window and will not move away from it nor allow me to turn off the device. Only a HR will reset the iPod. More to that is, that while it is in that situation (which it is right now, while I write this), the device won't even go on sleep or turn off the monitor. 15.33.59 # Any ideas? 15.34.30 # The 2nd "disconnect" was meant to say "shut it down". 15.34.56 # Its right now stuck in that screen... if anyone wants to give me pointers or get more info. 15.35.15 # the only thing that works is the Hold button and the scroll in the main window. 15.36.01 # shai: what sort of car connection do you use? Line-out+power, or MSC? 15.36.19 # I'm not familiar with these connection you speak of... 15.36.20 # Or the accessory protocol? 15.36.36 # All I know is that it is connected to the car stereo from behind ... 15.37.00 # and also, that it is a connection that connects to the bottom of the iPod. 15.37.41 # It gives me control from the car's stereo and the steering wheel. 15.38.10 # When I bought it and then they hooked it up, they told me this is an iPod adapter. 15.38.24 # ok 15.38.52 # I have two cables to connect. One is to the buttom (a wide connector) and another to the head-phones. 15.39.13 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.39.23 # I don't use the latter, due to the lack of functionality... it is good if people just bring on their disk-on-keys or phones... 15.40.02 # gevaerts, so if there is anything you want me to do, while the iPod is in this state (it is right now), let me know. 15.40.30 # This DOES NOT happen if first stop the music and go the main menu BEFORE I disconnect it from the adapter. 15.40.44 # I can't really think of anything. I suspect a bug in the accessory protocol implementation... 15.40.59 # Can you submit a bug report, including all information you gave here? 15.41.14 # Yea. 15.41.22 # Let me find where to do that... 15.42.15 # gevaerts, on Flyspary? 15.42.19 # yes 15.42.26 # Ok ... 15.42.32 # And what I provided above is enough? 15.42.46 # I might be able to later call that place and ask them the adapter details... if that would help. 15.43.00 # I expect it won't be something "formal" and well-known ... but might help ... 15.43.54 # you can always add information later. It's not my area, so I have no idea what more information to ask for 15.46.01 # Can I just copy paste our conversation? 15.48.22 Join dfkt_ [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 15.48.39 # I'd edit it a bit. No need for the 'The 2nd "disconnect" was meant to say "shut it down"' style lines :) 15.49.19 # Of course :) 15.49.45 # But basically, I want to show that we (you and I) talked and that you already asked me some questions that others might ask ... 15.54.37 # so add the relevant information about the questions asked or link to this part of the irc conversation 15.55.38 # And should this be under the "Drivers" catagory? 16.05.49 # Zagor: the build server appears to be hung 16.06.26 Quit dfkt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.07.40 # gevaerts, This is what I came up with: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10807 16.07.49 # I hope that's good enough. 16.08.03 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 16.10.31 Quit tchan (Remote closed the connection) 16.10.48 # mc2739: restarted 16.11.09 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 16.15.50 Quit Zagor ("Don't panic") 16.16.32 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r23722): remove svn:executable 16.16.50 Join pondlife [50] (n=Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 16.18.47 # Tiny wee statusbar oddity - after changing the volume in the WPS with no statusbar displayed, the volume is intiially displayed as a numeric when displayed, rather than the expected bitmap 16.19.08 # I guess this is a bug, anyone want to convince me otherwise before I log it 16.19.21 # (This is on a sim, btw.) 16.21.46 Join dfkt_ [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 16.24.31 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.29.52 # amiconn: pong 16.30.16 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-21-143.unitymediagroup.de) 16.34.56 Quit Ubuntuxer ("Leaving.") 16.36.00 # pondlife: I saw refreshing problems with the built-in statusbar in the sim too (in the WPS, using the old default and the built-in statusbar). 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Sansa C200 series in recovery mode 18.34.05 # But it is a e200 not c200. And I don't think it is in a proper recovery mode. 18.34.15 # does it maybe have this loose flash board issue? 18.34.19 # Since I can not see that 16 MB partition 18.34.47 Quit maruk ("Leaving.") 18.34.52 # What is this loose flash board issue? 18.35.24 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.36.15 # * gevaerts tries to find a reference 18.36.29 Part av500 18.36.56 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@12.169.218.14) 18.38.05 Join TheSeven [0] (n=theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 18.43.07 # mhe67: I don't seem to be able to find a clear description. Anyway, if you remove the back cover (four screws), there should be some sort of rubber rectangle. Below that is the flash daughterboard, which sometimes comes a bit loose. Just push the black rectangle 18.43.47 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r23723): UISimulator - prevent multiple definition of usb_inserted when USB_NONE is defined ... 18.44.58 # gevaerts: lol, lol, you are so right!!!! 18.45.12 # push that rubber rectangle, everything works, lol 18.45.16 # thanks. 18.45.52 # it seems to be a rather common problem 18.48.39 # * Unhelpful grumbles about manufacturers that can't manage to secure the storage device connections well 18.50.22 Join mikroflops [0] (n=yogurt@217-208-157-242-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 18.51.13 Quit mhe67 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.54.57 Join mrbob123 [0] (i=44ca075c@gateway/web/freenode/x-rhueqajzxgdqiplw) 18.56.00 # just something to ask about sansa e250 with rockbox, can I use 2gb sd card or larger with the software 18.56.21 # mrbob123, yes 18.56.43 # it supports high-capacity micro-sd cards 18.56.59 # ok thankyou 18.58.54 Quit mrbob123 (Client Quit) 19.02.30 Join salty_horse [0] (n=ori@bzq-79-179-54-236.red.bezeqint.net) 19.02.44 Quit salty-horse (Nick collision from services.) 19.02.50 Nick salty_horse is now known as salty-horse (n=ori@bzq-79-179-54-236.red.bezeqint.net) 19.03.50 # hrm, dircache turns itself off on boot? 19.13.52 Join lostlogic [50] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 19.15.10 # gev: "rubber rectangle. Below that is the flash daughterboard, which sometimes comes a bit loose. Just push the black rectangle". How do you know that? 19.15.23 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.15.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.15.44 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.15.50 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.15.50 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 19.16.09 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.19.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.20.27 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 19.23.33 # hepub: using full nicks allows highlighting to work. 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Can I make it so that when I plug in a USB cable connected to a computer, rockbox doesn't become a mountable drive? I sometimes want the device to charge, but continue playing music. 20.22.13 # yes 20.22.16 # I can not find any settings related to this in the options menu 20.22.18 # The manual tells you how 20.22.29 # I think you hold menu when plugging usb 20.22.43 # But I might have misremembered the button, I don't have an ipod 20.23.54 # AlexP, you were correct about the menu button. thank you 20.24.10 # no problems 20.24.21 # ah, it seems i need to increase DIRCACHE_LIMIT a bit 20.28.29 # isnt that 6MB? 20.29.29 Part sf_ 20.30.44 Join domonoky1 [0] (n=Domonoky@g229098187.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.30.49 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r23724): Add Sansa Clip v1 to current builds and manual web pages. 20.35.12 # B4gder: can you update the web server and add the clip to the manual build process? Also, will you verify that the iAudio M3 is set up for manual builds? 20.35.49 # The clip manual is missing quite a lot of stuff, e.g. plugin keymaps if anyone fancies it :) 20.36.02 # Install is there at least :) 20.37.11 Join tarbo [0] (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) 20.38.09 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@88-123-144-76.rev.libertysurf.net) 20.38.11 # hmm... the M3 would miss most plugin keymaps too, except pictureflow... 20.39.03 # can't remember whether I committed the install instructions but I know I began with that (and it's easy because it's similar to the other Iaudios, just different filenames) 20.40.20 Join evilnick [0] (i=4571af51@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 20.40.24 # Wouldn't an incomplete manual be better than no manual? 20.40.29 # one thing that is not so nice about the M3 is the trick you need to get it charging after installing Rockbox 20.40.53 # mc2739: IMO yes 20.41.11 # sure, but installation instructions should be there 20.41.24 # If people can see it, they can both benefit from what is there, and see what needs to be done. 20.41.34 # but yes, installation instructions should be there 20.42.10 # of course, who reads the manuals anyway? :) 20.42.36 # everyone if they don't want to be smacked upside the head :) 20.43.01 # it's there 20.43.07 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.43.23 # (the installation instructions, well at least here) 20.44.02 Part polobricolo 20.44.15 # New commit by 03FlynDice (r23725): AMS Sansa: dma-pl081.c: dma_enable_channel() Add step to clear pending interrupts from the previous operation. Add comments and make construction ... 20.44.28 Join n1s [0] (n=n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 20.46.47 Quit domonoky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.49.12 # JdGordon: yes, yes it is. i made it 16, but it appears in only actually need about 7. another reason to have dynamic buffer_alloc resize. after my eight other projects. :/ 20.49.55 # also the fact that the disk was grinding forever after startup is apparently why my tests of n1s's patch came out badly 20.50.17 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.97.156) 20.52.06 Quit tomers (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.52.32 # do we already prefix-compress the strings in the dircache? 20.52.52 # Unhelpful: ? 20.52.52 # maybe i should read logs? 20.53.08 # don't think so 20.53.36 # n1s: oh, nothing, i had a dircache issue that left my disk grinding for many minutes after boot, and skewed my -fstrict-aliasing benchmark results 20.53.50 # ah 20.53.51 # Unhelpful: Prefix-compress? Afaik dircache stores individual path components 20.54.33 # And 7MB dirache? On the targets where I have it enabled, it doesn't consume more than around 400kB 20.54.36 # amiconn: ah... i thought it was full paths. if it's storing path components then it's already prefix-compressed after a fashion. 20.55.25 # (only real hdd targets, and only those with 32MB ram or more. On 16MB targets I consider it too much waste) 20.55.59 # and you can fit quite a few files on an S60, especially if many of them are text or even jpeg instead of music. 20.57.49 # Dircache on my 120 GB S is 1.3 MB 20.57.54 Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection) 20.58.02 Quit einhirn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.58.35 # ~100 GB or so used, but virtually all music 20.58.38 # hrm, will database.ignore cause directories to be skipped by dircache? 20.58.46 # no 20.58.52 # well.. it shuoldnt 20.59.19 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 20.59.20 # hrm. so is something wrong with my builds, or do i actually just have too many files, or names too long? ;) 20.59.36 # Too many files and/or too long names 21.00.06 # There were reports that the HVSC causes excessive dircahce size too 21.00.55 # i bet it would. chiptunes == tiny :) 21.00.56 # HVSC? 21.01.11 # regarding testing on c200v2, some mp3 tracks won't even start ... :/ 21.01.17 # JdGordon: the first google hit was this: http://www.hvsc.c64.org/ 21.02.01 Join zombiebug [0] (n=bekabug@internal.etherion.net) 21.02.29 # JdGordon|: chip tunes I think 21.02.58 # high voltage sid collection or some such 21.03.04 # ok 21.05.54 Quit bekabug (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.11.18 Quit Jake ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.14.27 Join kkurbjunW [0] (n=karlk@12.41.166.8) 21.14.39 # amiconn: I'm around now 21.19.07 # i also saw some, er, browsing oddities when dircache was not init'ing. stuff like going back one level from a deep folder taking me to the root menu, or duplicate file entries, things like that. 21.19.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.27.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 21.28.24 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.31.07 # JdGordon|: with the .grey the system should now pick up classic_statusbar.grey.sbs for the M5 (even sim) automatically or do I still have to do something additionally? 21.31.32 # it shuold just work 21.31.43 # as if the hand of G.... umm... yeha, it should just work 21.35.03 # google? 21.37.07 Quit Tomis (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.39.22 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.39.48 # Hello, what is the status of multivolume ? Will it once be definitive or it is planned to continue with the current system ? 21.40.22 # What do you mean by definitive? 21.41.49 # I mean that there won't be HAVE_MULTIVOLUME anymore and the core will have a multivolume api whatever the target is. 21.42.40 # why would we do that? Multivolume costs memory 21.44.22 Join Stephen_ [0] (n=S@86-45-81-113-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) 21.44.52 # I don't know, that's just a question :) That's because of a comment in mv.h 21.45.36 # pixelma: so whats the story with the sbs? getting closer to being able to commit 10709? 21.45.53 # JdGordon|: hmm... it's picked up but keeps the .grey in its filename so didn't replace the wrong one I had before 21.45.57 # n1s: *nice*. *everything* is faster on beast except for the ape_normal sample, now :D 21.46.45 # pixelma: arg, that should be dead simple to fix... just change the line to have classic_statusbar.sbs at the end of the dest filename on the line I changed in the diff... 21.47.41 # err... the grey statusbar seems to be all white (so you see nothing, except for the RTC viewport? 21.47.42 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5DCC15F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.48.21 # it also makes -O3 a much more consistent winner 21.48.25 # what did you break? :) 21.48.25 # I can't see why RTC is different there 21.48.48 # paste the .sbs... I can look at that while at work 21.48.57 # its not real code :) 21.49.17 # rockbox.pm names the clip as sansaclip 21.49.24 # hence the manuals etc are now wrong 21.49.37 # Is is possible to have HAVE_MULTIDRIVE without HAVE_MULTIVOLUME ? 21.49.48 # JdGordon|: Where does the parser get the values for the colours from if you use - for them? 21.50.03 # the settings 21.50.40 # there are no foreground or background shade settings (for the user) on greyscale yet 21.51.00 # pamaury: no 21.51.44 # pixelma: then its either random, or some default.. I'd have to check the code 21.51.50 # viewport.c if you are adventurous 21.52.04 # New commit by 03bagder (r23726): clip is apparently and quite confusingly named just... clip 21.52.30 # I guess random... that would explain why the RTC viewport works 21.53.49 # the only difference of that viewport compared to the others is that it is a right aligned one with a negative position (disk access would be too but that isn't simulated so I can't tell) 21.54.33 # that seems odd 21.54.42 # but anyway, you should set the colours you want on grey 21.55.09 # now there is a .grey one that's easy 21.55.18 Join Jaykay_ [0] (n=chatzill@93.220.98.12) 21.55.28 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178111115.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.55.46 # hi :) whats up with SansaAMSFirmware? 21.55.49 # so does the M3 and clip manuals build fine now? 21.55.55 # or do rather 21.56.04 # clip does at least 21.56.17 # it got edited so many times, and apparently i edited it by just opening it 21.56.20 # As I was the last person to commit something for it and it did then :) 21.56.37 # B4gder: :'( 21.56.53 Nick Jaykay_ is now known as Jaykay (n=chatzill@93.220.98.12) 21.56.53 # what is needed to have clip -> sansaclip everywhere? 21.57.12 # afaik, it is only "clip" in configure at this point 21.57.53 Part zombiebug 21.58.00 Part watto1 21.58.11 # M3 should build fine too 21.58.23 # I'm not sure, I think the e200v1 is still under "e200" in configure 21.58.42 # I mean the manual 21.58.51 # which reminds me, I wanted to make a "request" to the RSB to decide on a naming scheme 21.58.52 # kugel: right, it is... 21.59.09 # Unhelpful: \o/ 22.00.08 # Jaykay: what about SansaAMSFirmware are you curious about..? 22.00.27 # the inconsistency is annoying several people for several month, and we keep introducing inconsitency, still we don't get this thing done even though it seems trivial 22.00.59 # we could do a vote among committers, based on rasher's script 22.01.15 # FlynDice: it got edited about 5 or 6 times, and just in the attachments. why? and when i tried to open it, i was asked for my name and password, and after i entered that, the page was edited again but with no changes. 22.01.41 # * B4gder added clip and m3 manual builds now 22.01.53 # B4gder: I think we had several discussions about it already, all turned in to a "bikeshed painting" discussion type 22.02.04 # but we could try that, yes 22.02.19 # yes, but a vote would be a vote and then we'd have a decision based on the majority 22.02.47 # the majority don't understand whats good for them! 22.03.19 # in this case, nobody knows what's best ;-) 22.03.19 # I thought Rockbox wasn't a democracy? :) 22.03.27 # should we roll a dice? 22.03.34 # dicocracy! 22.03.39 # cmon lucky 8! 22.03.47 # kugel: that's why we need a vote! Otherwise how can we know what not to do? 22.03.49 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@c-5a3771d5.012-155-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 22.03.53 # Jaykay: Yes I was noticing some weirdness there too that's why your comment caught my eye. I just looked at it and when I got back to the homepage it said I was the last to modify... Are you Johannes by any chance? 22.04.13 # yes :) 22.04.48 # Great, monkey's off my back now.. ;-)) 22.05.09 # I'm not sure what's going on there 22.05.38 # JdGordon|: does this apply to the .mono ones too? 22.05.52 # which? 22.05.55 # (I mean the renaming 22.06.03 # if I could just type 22.06.34 # is mono wrong? 22.08.33 # yep 22.08.43 # the line looks the same as the .grey one 22.08.56 # yep, fix both 22.10.30 Quit Grahack ("Leaving.") 22.14.34 Quit kkurbjunW (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.19 # pixelma: I didnt see an answer before.... your changes almost ready so I can annoy everyone with 10709 soon? 22.16.27 # domonoky: do you know whats up with SansaAMSFirmware? 22.16.38 Join kkurbjunW [0] (n=karlk@12.41.166.9) 22.16.51 # hehe... I assigned the shades the wrong way around (I can never remember whether which is black and which is white) 22.16.53 # domonoky1: sorry :) 22.17.46 # Jaykay: dont know. it seems the wiki has some bug. i just visited the page, and the wiki modified it. 22.18.11 # that happened to me and FlynDice too... 22.19.54 Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear) 22.21.44 # looks like this is problem with the directed graph plugin in foswiki 22.22.53 # of course i'm still comparing to the default optimizations without -fstrict-aliasing when i compare 4.4.2 to 4.0.3... 22.23.12 # somehow the graph plugin thinks it needs to update the attached images. 22.25.38 Join mappy24 [0] (n=57c29889@giant.haxx.se) 22.26.07 # JdGordon: did you fix the problem that the sbs gets re-enabled within plugins? 22.26.26 # this is the first im hearing of this... 22.26.42 # most noticeable in bubbles. the menu doesn't show the sbs, but when you play the acutual games it re-appears and flickers 22.26.53 # B4gder: 22.26.57 # svn or 10709? 22.27.01 # ups 22.27.03 # the patch 22.27.12 # * B4gder waits for it... :-) 22.27.22 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 22.27.31 # well, I told you that there are numerous bugs, but you didn't ask further so I assumed you didn't care 22.27.38 # * JdGordon| knows what the problem is and says FUCK IT... IM DOING ONE BIG PATCH 22.27.43 # well, either didn't care or know about I mean 22.27.58 # slight difference between those two... 22.28.15 # B4gder: can you take a look at what goes wrong with the graph plugin in the wiki ? or should i prod Zagor ? 22.28.20 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.104.23) 22.28.26 # yea, accidentally hit enter to early 22.28.54 Quit petur ("Zzzzz") 22.28.57 # domonoky1: oh, that is totally zagor area, I've not even taken a quick look at those things 22.28.59 # JdGordon|: nah, I'm quite far but have to work on the recording quality settings still (and check on target(s)). Does early USB work and what info is displayed there? 22.29.02 # * kugel wonders if JdGordon runs nay plugins when testing stuff 22.29.28 # pixelma: early use displays the time and battery level, not much else 22.29.41 # kugel: there is a big assumption there which invalidates that statement 22.29.46 # disk access would be interesting too 22.29.52 # i tihnk that also 22.30.00 # * JdGordon| doesnt remember exactly 22.30.03 # :? 22.30.17 # .... "when testing stuff" 22.30.37 # you mean you don't test or what? 22.30.57 # it's still a bit meh that early USB statusbar will look differently 22.30.57 # *whoosh* 22.31.19 # pixelma: well.. it wouldnt if we could hit the disk! 22.31.34 # I'm wondering whether you run plugins during testing your work, because regularly some of your commits break them 22.31.40 # or if the statusbar was built-in 22.32.46 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 22.32.57 Join Tomis2 [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.96.250) 22.33.27 # pixelma: well, we could use the images that are build-in right now for the inbuilt statusbar, but that requires a good deal of extra code for the tags for a statusbar which shouldn't show up ever (USB is the only exception, basically) 22.34.11 # I can't follow that statement 22.34.25 # we are trying to get rid of bitmpas in the binary 22.34.26 # that was regarding the early USB statusbar 22.34.43 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 22.34.45 Quit mappy24 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.35.19 # kugel: that I understood but not what you actually want to tell with it 22.35.47 # one of the problems iwth having the sbs internal 22.36.00 # the images don't hurt at all in the binary. all this tiny mono-bitmaps are neglible. but the code for the tags (and probably more related code) adds unneccessary complications 22.37.08 # isn't the skin parser in the core already? 22.37.31 # yes 22.37.39 # yes, but there's no way to draw built-in bitmaps currently 22.37.44 # Getting rid of bitmaps in the main binary could also make things like on the fly screen rotation easier 22.38.30 # kkurbjun: we could have each of those images twice in the binary and it still wouldn't make a difference :) 22.39.22 # each of the current statusbar images are 2-4bytes big, that's really neglible 22.39.32 # as it stands it would need a hack to do the rotation in the main build with the built-in bitmaps - it would if you count the USB bitmap in there, and having two bitmaps complicates things more 22.39.35 # there is no way to draw built-in bitmaps already? What's with the sysfont? 22.39.56 # different system 22.40.02 # the skin engine cant draw inbuilt bitmaps 22.42.52 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 22.46.40 # pixelma: use a theme that uses UI vp, and enter a plugin that has shows a menu at start 22.47.21 # all these problems are because vewportmanager_set_statusbar() is fucked! 22.47.29 # and they will go away once thats fixed 22.47.38 # * kugel just hopes JdGordon is aware that he needs to fix most plugins within 2-3 weeks, to have a good release 22.47.38 # but there is no easy fix for that while the inbuilt bar is there 22.47.50 # that's a different problem 22.48.11 # whats a different problem? 22.48.32 Quit Tomis (Connection timed out) 22.48.32 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (n=Tomis@70.134.96.250) 22.48.44 # the bug I'm talking about is caused by the overhasty removal of the way to override the ui vp (with a fullscreen one for example) for plugins 22.50.08 # tomayto tomato... 22.50.18 # what? 22.50.24 # it wasnt over hasty... it should never have gone in in the firts place 22.51.30 # either you use the users viewports (sos sbs+uivp) or you use full screen 22.51.47 # yea, but you didn't fix a single plugin to do it right 22.53.53 # just to let you know. I will revert that commit if you didn't resolve this (http://imagebin.org/72723) before the release 22.54.50 # how about fixing the plugins which you shuold have done instead of introducing that? 22.55.18 # it was your band-aid... not mine 22.55.32 # kugel: you said %Vi in the sbs would be sufficient 22.55.41 # it was no band aid 22.56.12 # since back then, there was no way to get a guaranteed fullscreen viewport (that's different now) 22.56.21 Quit Jaykay (Remote closed the connection) 22.56.56 # pixelma: %Vi is only used if the sbs is actually shown of course, but it should be sufficient to not have lists and sbs draw over each other 22.58.20 # it's not after leaving most plugins (or wasn't) until some moving around in the menus magically fix it after a differing number of tries 22.58.50 # JdGordon|: you're the one constantly adding "crappy band-aids", not me 22.59.18 # which will all bloody dissapar fi I was allowed to commit stuff 23.00.14 # pixelma: that's unfortunate, but it worked when I committed sbs 23.00.24 # we possibly broke it inbetween 23.03.17 Join drf|laptop [0] (i=Your_Mom@markley-139017.reshall.umich.edu) 23.04.20 Part froggyman 23.04.31 # So, guys 23.04.42 # I just got a Sansa Fuze. Ran rbutil, installed th ebootloader, Rockbox, all the addons 23.04.48 # And it won't start. It just boots the OFW 23.05.23 # then you didn't install the bootloader 23.05.33 Join phanboy4 [0] (n=benji@c-24-98-43-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 23.05.37 # It said it was installed... 23.05.47 # though it says Sansa Fuze (Unstable) and the auto-install buttons were greyed out 23.05.51 # is that supposed to happen? 23.07.24 # kugel: : JdGordon: so very quickly I want the API too look like viewport_enable_theme(bool); and viewport_theme_undo(); which works in a stack so there is no need to remember what it was when entering your screen... if its enabled then set_defaults() gets what it does now (i.e combo of sbs and ui vp) 23.07.55 Quit Tomis () 23.08.00 # if a screen wants to force the bar, then there would be a seperate sbs_force(bool) which does nothing if a sbs is loaded, and forces the internal if one isnt 23.08.22 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@c-68-62-19-6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 23.08.23 # how that works with the enable() art before needs some thinking 23.08.39 # once thats in then its 2 lines to make all plugins just work again 23.08.54 # drf|laptop: the Quickstart buttons are greyed out because they would install a release build, which is not available for the fuze 23.09.03 # Oh 23.09.14 # using the manual installation requires you to install Rockbox build and bootloader separately. 23.09.15 # It let me install a release build when I did "Install rockbox"... 23.09.18 # hm 23.09.22 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r23727): Add clip image mapping 23.09.25 # well lemme try it again, it obviously didn't work the first time 23.09.29 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.09.33 # Does the Fuze still have the dual-boot method where you can press left to use the OFW? 23.11.06 # yes 23.11.16 # fuzeA.bin <-- That's the firmware file, right? 23.12.10 Join Thundercloud [0] (i=thunderc@persistence.flat.devzero.co.uk) 23.13.51 # hmm... I could make the Archoses sbs aware of the Recorders and Ondios itself - RTC viewport on one and disk activity on the other (somehow thought first that I need different sbs files 23.14.00 Quit rasher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.15.46 # the M:Robe's remote statusbar has issues because the display is too narrow (but that's with the built-in one too) 23.15.57 # wtf at this 23.16.13 # "[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested c200 versions are: 3.02.05" 23.16.16 # I'd probably disable it too anyways 23.16.18 # is fuzeA the wrong file? 23.17.22 # kugel: does ui viewport work for remotes too - independent of the main display? 23.17.30 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]") 23.17.44 # yes 23.18.16 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host71-154-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 23.18.18 # so you could actually use a (well 1) different font there now 23.18.27 # in lists 23.18.32 # yes 23.18.47 # for 3 month now :) 23.19.14 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 23.19.41 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8F89C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.19.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.22.23 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.26.29 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 23.26.46 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.26 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87.194.34.169) 23.29.34 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 23.30.14 Quit Strife89 ("Clocking out.") 23.30.48 Join salty_horse [0] (n=ori@bzq-79-179-54-236.red.bezeqint.net) 23.30.48 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.34.24 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.36.17 Join Hillshum [0] (n=ubuntu@75-165-228-164.slkc.qwest.net) 23.37.34 # JdGordon|: the error output of the skin parser is still way off - complaining about something on line 114 when the file only has 104. 23.37.44 # lines 23.38.01 # yeah, I need to dig into that... 23.38.07 # low priority thuogh 23.38.30 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 23.38.43 Quit Omlet ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 23.38.56 # TheSeven: ping 23.39.18 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 23.39.21 Join salty-horse_ [0] (n=ori@bzq-79-179-54-236.red.bezeqint.net) 23.39.41 # TheSeven: this patch seems to fixes the USEC_TIMER macro http://pastebin.org/56537. Can you test it ? 23.39.42 Quit salty-horse_ (Client Quit) 23.41.50 # [ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested c200 versi 23.41.50 # ons are : 3.02.05 23.41.50 # [ERR] Could not load fuzeA.bin 23.41.52 # Darn it 23.41.55 # Even doing it manually gives me that 23.42.04 # and I just updated it with the Sansa program so the OFW isn't broken... 23.43.36 # drf|laptop: where does that fuzeA.bin come from? 23.43.47 # on the M:Robes the remote really should use a ui vp with the sysfont (and switch off the statusbar) - with default fonts thera is nothing besides the halfway broken statusbar on the screen, even on the M:Robe100 which uses 12-Adobe-Helvetica 23.44.22 # The root of the Sansa. 23.44.28 # After running Sansa Updater 23.46.09 # drf|laptop: which version of is that? 23.46.28 # Um 23.46.29 # Hold on 23.46.38 # It doesn't have a v2 on the back though, if that's what you mean 23.46.49 # no, the firmware version 23.46.51 # v02.02.28A 23.47.13 # that's a v2. v1 starts with v01.x 23.47.38 Quit salty-horse (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.47.58 # Darn it. So that means I can't put Rockbox on it? 23.48.16 # I figured these refurbished units would all be v1 :/ 23.48.44 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 23.48.47 Quit AaronM ("sometimes Zero_Chaos beats me and records it to fap to later") 23.49.50 # yes, rockbox only works on the v1 23.50.24 # Is there a hardware difference, or just firmware? 23.50.45 # hardware 23.50.57 # Hmm 23.51.08 # so finding a v1 fuzeA.bin won't make a difference? 23.52.06 # I'd hope that the player would refuse to install that. It definitely won't work 23.52.32 # Darn. Well that's nice to know, I guess... there's no v2 written anywhere, like the e200s had 23.52.46 # keeps you guessing 23.52.55 # forget that. On refurbished players, anything goes 23.53.09 # I guess 23.53.16 # I bought a refurbished e280 and that worked great 23.53.31 # * gevaerts 's e280v1 says v2 on the back 23.53.55 # LOL 23.54.03 # Mine says nothing, and is a normal v1 23.54.07 # Gotta love woot.com, eh? 23.54.12 # pixelma: if you use the sysfont you only get a basic char set, it would make it difficult for other languages 23.54.18 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 23.54.20 # * Hillshum 's e260 says 8GB on the back 23.54.42 # kkurbjunW: better than nothing at all? 23.55.15 # pixelma: it should work if you choose an 8pt font and without the statusbar it will display 2 lines 23.55.31 # isn't e260 6GB? 23.55.47 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 23.55.53 # but I would agree that having it fixed at sysfont is better than nothing if you use a font larger than 8 points, or 16 if you have the statusbar disabled 23.56.20 # drf|laptop: 4GB actually. But this is getting offtopic 23.56.25 Quit salty_horse (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.56.42 # yes, but then you also have a tiny font on the main display (more important on the M:Robe 500) I guess. But I admit using a ui vp would make it harder than just switching the font 23.58.05 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca)