--- Log for 28.12.109 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 26 days and 14 hours ago 00.02.22 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.52 Quit merbanan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.11.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.11.30 Quit einhirn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.22.35 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE2B226.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.40.52 Join n1s [0] (n=n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 00.56.39 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.04.56 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 01.13.50 # when are we branching for release? 01.19.20 # good question 01.20.10 # dunno if the discussion ever came to any conclusion :) 01.20.16 # i guess too many people are still doing xmas stuff 01.21.33 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 01.22.27 # IIRC we usually freeze 2 weeks before release and usually release on the 23rd but we agreed to postpone the release 14 days this time so we should have frozen on the 23rd and branched one week after that, so wednesday, but we aren't frozen afaik 01.23.03 # ahwell 01.23.26 Join bonjour [0] (n=41252ae4@giant.haxx.se) 01.23.32 # hello 01.24.31 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.26.02 # I have a question about using rockbox stable on a 30 gig ipod..... is it possible to jump back to the now playing screen while browsing the other menus? the only way I can find is to go through the main menu. 01.26.21 # In almost all menus the play button takes you to the WPS. 01.26.37 # This is in the manual. Or are you talking about it not working as described? 01.27.56 # nope I just couldnt find anything about it in the manual. Thanks, it's nice that everything I keep finding is missing really isn't at all. 01.28.34 # bonjour: I'd recommend reading the manual fairly thoroughly. At the very least look at all the keymap tables. 01.30.52 # I did indeed read the manual, just missed that key fact. I feel like I understand just about everything else. thanks for the help 01.30.55 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 01.30.56 Quit bonjour ("CGI:IRC") 01.31.56 Quit Llorean (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.32.24 Join Llorean [0] (n=DarkkOne@adsl-76-202-17-167.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 01.36.03 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 01.36.56 Quit Omlet^away ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 01.57.06 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.04.15 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-143-7.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 02.07.54 Quit Sajber^1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.09.41 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m4a5a36d0.tmodns.net) 02.11.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.21.57 Quit Phyber0ptik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.28.12 Quit bluebrother (Nick collision from services.) 02.28.15 Join bluebroth3r [0] (n=dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 02.28.45 # What's the endianess of the ARM CPU in the Sansa Fuze? 02.29.15 # little endian 02.29.29 # big endian ARM is all but dead 02.29.32 # * jae is just tring to (finally) get the DB read intelligently, and robustly (taking the rblib.py module from the Wiki as template) 02.29.39 Join Space [0] (i=rrox@r190-64-10-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 02.29.45 # re 02.32.15 # Can I use rockbox on it? http://www.tranza.com/softis/pv/69/SANDISKESANSAE25020GB/Sandisk/MP3/MP4_2.0_GB_FMLCD_Color_Grabador.html 02.32.53 # But coldfire and SH1 are big-endian? Which players use them, and... would I see "coldfire" in .rockbox/rockbox-info.txt? 02.34.03 # Space: supported players are listed on the front page. if it's not there, then no. 02.34.06 # isnt the db format endian-agnostic? 02.34.28 Join Reilithion [0] (n=reilithi@75-162-253-132.slkc.qwest.net) 02.34.30 # but I read that with somethings sansa players don't work 02.34.36 # jae: yeah, coldfire and sh1 are BE 02.34.37 # but with another yes, and 02.35.31 # Space: yes, but that looks way to expensive 02.35.35 # JdGordon: i think the db supports both BE and LE db files 02.39.01 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 02.42.33 # exist a list of mp3 players support by rockbox and his components? micro and RAM? 02.42.51 # recording. fm, etc 02.43.00 # Yeah, maybe it would, but... if it creates one, since I haven't seen any (obvious) signs of endianess conversion... 02.43.43 # And: why should it support both? Since the DB is (usually, excepting weirdos like myself) only read and written on and by the player 02.44.35 # * jae is (still, or only now real seriously) looking for a way to read *and write* data to the db 02.47.44 # i think i remember it got some endian handinling in the code so the db file is always big (or little?) endian 02.50.01 # * jae slaps himself with a pretty big trout 02.50.22 # Why didn't I just search for "endian" in tagcache.c to begin with? :P 02.53.36 # JdGordon1, e200 v1 are supported and stable, but the v2 is unstable 02.53.42 # that say e250 02.54.09 # it could be either 03.03.54 # what target have you? JdGordon1 03.07.34 # http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sansa-Sandisk-e200-with-Charger-Headphones_W0QQitemZ170424644496QQcmdZViewItemQQptZOther_MP3_Players?hash=item27ae19b390 03.07.37 # similar cost 03.09.04 Join bzed__ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.11.47 Quit GeekShado_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.11.59 Quit bzed__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.12.04 Join bzed___ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.16.53 Quit bzed (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 03.16.53 Nick bzed___ is now known as bzed (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.20.21 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.29.57 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.34.59 # Anyone around familliar with the Phillips GoGear line? 03.36.46 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.39.23 Join krazykit` [0] (n=kkit@adsl-69-219-237-220.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 03.41.46 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 03.42.22 Quit krazykit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.45.04 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-252-44-96.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 03.45.04 Quit krazykit` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.58 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 03.50.47 Join krazykit` [0] (n=kkit@adsl-76-240-222-213.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) 03.52.54 Quit FOAD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.52.55 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 03.53.10 Quit krazykit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.05.11 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 04.08.10 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 04.10.13 # I have that sansa player Space 04.10.51 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@70.236.79.19) 04.11.23 # ? 04.11.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.14.33 Quit krazykit` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.31.56 Part froggyman 04.36.56 Quit r0b- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.04 Quit kugel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.38.55 Quit mc2739 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.43.42 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.52.09 Join dys`` [0] (n=andreas@krlh-5f72e4f3.pool.mediaWays.net) 05.03.57 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.07.39 Quit dys` (No route to host) 05.08.04 Join negru_voda [0] (n=negru_vo@79.119.41.230) 05.08.20 # hi there... 05.08.42 # anybody have an ideea how to install rockbox on a 120Gb ipod ? 05.10.31 # you can't 05.10.54 # the ipod classic is not a supported target 05.11.30 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 05.11.39 # damn it ... 05.11.56 # and there's any way how to boot rockbox? 05.13.25 # not at this time. 05.14.38 # :((( 05.16.37 # krazykit could you tell me please... what i can do to add some movies/books to my ipod? i'm kind of new in this domain 05.18.15 # i don't know, as i don't own an ipod. i'm sure google has plenty of guides that can help 05.18.34 # thank you :) 05.18.37 # have a nice day 05.18.40 Quit negru_voda () 05.35.33 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@95.239.183.190) 05.51.38 Quit darkham (Client Quit) 06.11.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.13.07 # krazykit: Could have been a 5.5g with a 120gb disk in it :) 06.13.38 # beta2k, i considered that, but figured if he's savvy enough to swap disks he's savvy enough to read the front page :) 06.13.50 # HEhehe :) 06.14.14 # how do you swap disks like that 06.14.15 # You wouldn't happen to have a GoGear would you? 06.14.50 # DogBoy: Pull out disk A, insert disk B? :) There's a guide for different models on the RB wiki 06.15.16 # Trying to find someone who might have an idea about why these stupid things fail so often 06.15.22 # DogBoy, the newer ipods and gigabeat s use ZIF drives which are easy to swap 06.15.41 # and there is a howto on the wiki? 06.15.42 # the gigabeat f, and some of the irivers and cowons can too with a cheap adapter 06.15.48 # I dunno, I think the 50pin disks are easier to swap 06.16.09 # i have a 120gb drive in my gigabeaft with the 50pin->zif adapter 06.16.26 # and if you're going to do a swap in a gigabeat F you'll want a really small adaptor or a F40/60 back for it 06.16.41 # Mine unfortunately doesn't fit :( 06.17.03 # a cf card might, though 06.17.12 # krazykit: You wouldn't happen to have a extra gigabeat you're will to part with? :) 06.17.22 # I want one too 06.17.32 # i have a broken gigabeat s with a good lcd :) 06.17.33 # CF cards use a different pinout then 50pin ATA don't they? 06.17.43 # they do, but i think there's an adapter 06.17.56 # krazykit: I'd be more likly to go for it if it was functional with a bad LCD :) 06.18.04 Quit Strife89 ("Bed.") 06.18.04 # where would that be on the wiki 06.18.12 # I'm searching for swap or 06.18.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement 06.18.41 # oh I see it 06.18.47 # hehe, just found that 06.18.51 # thanks 06.18.59 # I love my gigabeat f :) Kicks the dorry pants off the PP based players 06.19.03 # sorry 06.19.16 # see also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ZIFToATAAdapter 06.19.43 # jeepers, crashed my fearfox 06.20.28 # Do you think rockbox is friendly enough to give to a mother in law that can't set their VCR time? 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14.26.51 # amiconn: ^ 14.27.12 # Depends on what is bad about it 14.27.36 # If it isn't recognised as a proper firmware file by the built-in loader, nothing will happen 14.27.48 # If it is recognised, it will be flashed 14.28.08 # But since the built-in loader is never overwritten, it is always recoverable 14.28.30 # so there is some kind of bootloader usb? 14.29.18 # the j70 seems to have a similar mechanism, a .bin file is placed on the root and then flashed 14.29.48 # the yh925 does have a bootloader usb too so you can basically throw everything at it 14.30.28 # kugel: what's inside this j70 player? 14.30.49 # Yes, the built-in loader handles charging and usb 14.31.21 # If it finds a firmware file, it will flash it (iirc only if the charger is connected) 14.31.53 # the "system loading" screen is definitely way shorter if i turn it on via usb 14.33.07 # n1s: well, I hope that page isn't lying http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungYHJX0 14.34.32 Join Grahack [0] (n=Grahack@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 14.34.37 # so another cf target :) 14.37.08 # is it the same chip as an x5? if so that page is lying :) 14.37.49 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@sal63-1-82-243-96-220.fbx.proxad.net) 14.39.05 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 14.39.19 # well, pyro_maniac doesn't have a j70, I assume he gathered that from the interweb 14.39.43 # the chip in x5 is called mcf5250 (or mcf5250) 14.40.11 # maybe I find a way to open that thing so I can investigate myself 14.40.24 # very similar to the 5249 used in irivers and m5 14.42.50 # I'm not sure that cf5050 even exists :( 14.43.39 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 14.44.19 Quit einhirn_ (Client Quit) 14.46.09 # there's no screws anywhere :( 14.46.36 Join markun_ [0] (i=54f18043@rockbox/developer/markun) 14.48.55 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 14.49.44 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 14.51.22 Quit einhirn_ (Client Quit) 14.53.32 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 14.53.49 Quit einhirn_ (Client Quit) 14.54.13 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 15.00.20 Quit Phyber0ptik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.01.21 # n1s: The M5 has a 5250 like the X5 15.01.27 # The M3 has a 5249 15.02.34 # scf5250 15.02.37 # I managed to open it 15.18.37 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 15.25.32 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m385a36d0.tmodns.net) 15.27.16 Quit einhirn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.34.04 Join blithe [0] (n=blithe@blakesmith.me) 15.34.53 # amiconn: ah 15.36.16 Quit n1s ("Lämnar") 15.39.31 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.39.54 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.43.35 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=quassel@p4FEEBBC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.45.07 # if i may interuppt, the infos ive put into the wiki are from samsung repair manual 15.45.49 # it included also a diassemble howto 15.48.41 # can you link to it? 15.49.07 # pyro_maniac: ^ 15.49.41 # i will try to PM it to you tomorrow 15.50.27 # there are also pcb images in but i didnt published them because of copy right 15.51.00 # you should revert some changes of the wiki 15.51.36 # J50 and J70 have a different first letter on the chip 15.52.38 # feel free to correct it again. I got a j70 20gb today and updated what I could find on the board 15.53.07 # I can also upload some pictures later 15.53.39 # that should be more secure then the pics of the manual 15.54.15 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.04 # is that manual confidential? 15.58.47 Join fyrestorm [0] (n=nnscript@cpe-69-203-150-85.si.res.rr.com) 15.59.25 # its branded 15.59.49 # i can not remember completely 16.01.03 # i found the link again nichlas sent me: http://www.givemefile.net/smanuals/hdd_players/samsung.html 16.01.52 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@cpc2-cmbg2-0-0-cust30.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 16.03.13 Join webguest [0] (n=5138b796@giant.haxx.se) 16.04.15 Quit webguest (Client Quit) 16.11.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.14.43 Join b1uebrother [0] (n=bluebrot@81.163.115.102) 16.14.57 # pyro_maniac: the j50 seems a bit different at some places 16.16.05 # yes i mentioned that but i thougth they are similar enough for one wiki page 16.18.04 Quit killan_ ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 16.20.26 Join Space [0] (i=quassel@r190-64-8-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 16.23.58 # heh, it has a hardware piezo 16.27.41 # the thumbwheel of sansa players is similar to the clickwheel of ipods? 16.28.14 # well, it's a physical wheel 16.30.39 Quit b1uebrother ("leaving") 16.30.52 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 16.35.24 Join arohtar [0] (n=faemir@cpc2-cmbg2-0-0-cust30.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 16.35.29 Nick Omlet^away is now known as Omlet^RPM (i=omlet05@166.181-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 16.37.55 Quit faemir (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.38.03 Join klapaucjusz [0] (n=jch@dra38-1-82-225-44-56.fbx.proxad.net) 16.39.37 Quit arohtar (Client Quit) 16.39.49 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@cpc2-cmbg2-0-0-cust30.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 16.40.42 # kugel, what is the difference? 16.41.10 # similar in what sense? 16.41.13 # I see that somes models only have a thin circle, other more... 16.41.21 # the way it's controlled in software? the way it feels to use? 16.41.39 # feels to use 16.41.48 # well it's a physical wheel. it turns when you turn it 16.42.02 # so it feels completely different to an ipod, except the very old ipods which also had an actual turning wheel 16.42.04 # ok 16.42.11 Nick Riku is now known as Lss (n=Lss@cm23.omega219.maxonline.com.sg) 16.42.53 # rockbox never couldn't use the WiFi conection of a music player? 16.43.01 # it could if someone wrote the code for it 16.43.08 # isn't the ipod "wheel" just a ring of touch sensors? 16.43.29 # yup 16.43.38 # well, except the 1st gen i think? 16.44.11 # Space: they would have to not only write a driver for the player's wifi interface, but also port a network stack to rockbox (lwip or similar) and implement something at the application layer to actually use the connection for something 16.44.25 # Space: it would be a lot of work and few players have such hardware, so nobody has bothered. 16.45.03 # clickwheel was in ipods since 4th generation 16.45.06 # of ipods 16.45.16 # has been 16.45.33 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.46.14 # Torne, with the new generations of players has problems because the firmware are encrypted? 16.46.37 # in my country only can find two class of sansa players 16.47.09 # one is more expensive his cost, and the other (sansa connect) is fine, but I think that I can't use rockbox on it 16.47.10 # true? 16.47.14 # Space: depends which players you are talking about.. 16.47.37 # Sandisk Sansa Connect 16.47.44 # I know nothing about that player 16.48.12 # but in general yes, there are a reasonable number of DAPs now which have encrypted firmwares which make it difficult/impossible to run rockbox 16.49.02 # I didn't see anything of that player on the rockbox's web 16.49.46 # How does one get a patch merged into Rockbox? 16.50.19 # I've been trying to get FS#10832 committed for over a month now, with no success. 16.53.06 # when you say trying, what have you done? 16.53.11 # * klapaucjusz didn't want to kill the conversation. 16.53.21 # do people have objections, or is just nobody paying attention? :) 16.53.41 Join killan [0] (n=nnscript@c-f9fa70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 16.54.04 # Torne: submitted patch, irced around, sent e-mail to rockbox-dev, had a lengthy discussion on this channel. 16.54.15 # what was the result of the discussion? :) 16.54.27 # Saratoga expressed interest, he said he agrees with the patch, but he wants the opinion of somebody who understands the mp4 code. 16.54.38 # aha, i see 16.54.47 # ...and of course he was unable to point me at somebody suitable. 16.55.04 # Folks -- I'm seriously thinking of giving up on contributing to rockbox. 16.55.22 # If it takes so much effort to get a simple fix committed, I cannot imagine how one actually gets a new feature in. 16.55.44 Part pyro_maniac ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.") 16.55.52 # stuff goes in when someone with commit access cares sufficiently. this is not always prompt, no :) 16.56.13 # while i'm looking at it, does this do anything for super-long AAC files? 16.56.18 # ones that don't play even if they are streamable? 16.56.38 # No. What's the issue? 16.56.50 # the codec expects some index or table to fit in a fixed size buffer 16.57.08 # so 20 hour audio books or whatever don't load, even if their chunks are arranged in the best possible way :) 16.57.18 # i was just curious, because that is a problem i do have ;) 16.57.30 # Not difficult to fix, probably. 16.57.47 # But I'll be damned if I make another patch against rockbox before FS#10832 is committed. 16.58.08 # well, you have to be somewhat accepting that this is a volunteer effort.. 16.58.12 # i understand your frustration 16.58.29 # i had quite a lot of stuff i wanted to see committed. but then they tricked me into becoming a committer, so it's mostly done ;) 16.58.54 # I'm regularly contributing to a bunch of volunteer projects. 16.59.08 # perhaps we are lazier than the others 16.59.10 # who can say :) 16.59.12 # Nowhere have I had this kind of problems, except GNU Emacs (where I had to go through some silly copyright assignments). 16.59.33 # also, the nature of projects is not all the same 16.59.36 # rockbox is a very diverse project 16.59.54 # i know absolutely nothing about codecs, very little about the application layer in general, and nothing about most of the targets either :) 17.00.05 # i just fiddle with ipod stuff, and occasinoally plugins 17.00.31 # but yes, it looks like it would be good to get that committed 17.00.37 # does it ned all three of the posted patches? 17.00.51 # Yep. 17.01.09 # you might find it easier if you repost it as a single patch, synced to current svn 17.01.32 # also we are in theory preparing for a release at the moment 17.01.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaConnect 17.01.46 # Please define "easier". 17.01.55 # well i mean other people might find it easier to review 17.02.02 # so it might also be easier once the 3.5 release branch has been created and there's less concern about breaking an important feature like aac playback 17.02.44 # * Torne has a look to see if there's any likely people to pester about this. 17.02.55 # The patches apply cleanly to the current tree (nobody has touched the MP4 and AAC stuff in a long time). 17.02.59 # Thanks. 17.03.08 # Torne: You're right - only the 1st Gen iPod has a physical wheel 17.03.19 # sure, but the way they are numbered isn't entirely clear that you need all three 17.03.29 # since they are numbers 1, 2, and 1 again :) 17.03.35 # * Torne shrugs. it doesn't matter ;) 17.03.39 # 1 and 2 are the minimum. 17.03.56 # The last patch deals with a different kind of not-quite-well-formed file. 17.04.07 Quit markun_ () 17.04.24 # All later generation have touch-based wheels; the 2nd and 3rd Gen and mini 1st Gen wheels only output the same signals as a physical wheel does 17.04.56 Quit Grahack ("Tu m'as vu ?") 17.05.23 # klapaucjusz: anyway, i don't really know codecs, or aac specifically. but if i have the time i will take a look later.. 17.05.44 # Thanks. 17.05.47 # and if you really can't find anyone else then once the release branch is created i will consider committing it for you :) 17.05.59 # if nobody has *objected*.. 17.06.24 # there does come a point with some things where the easiest way to test it is to stick it in trunk and wait for people to complain ;) 17.12.09 Join dys``` [0] (n=andreas@krlh-5f7340c4.pool.mediaWays.net) 17.14.53 Quit froggyman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.15.26 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 17.15.44 # is there a convenient source of unstreamable aac files? 17.15.50 # i don't have any, i suspect 17.16.16 # i've only ever not been able to play files that are many hours long, which is a different problem as I mentioned ;) 17.21.17 # cd ~/big/rockbox/ipod 17.21.20 # oops 17.21.30 # too many terminals 17.23.38 # Torne: grab a "HQ" file on Youtube, and pass it through "mplayer -dumpaudio". 17.23.47 # ok, cool 17.24.01 Quit dys`` (No route to host) 17.24.21 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.49 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 17.39.02 Join Kitr88 [0] (n=Kitarist@BSN-95-200-45.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 17.41.53 Join FlynDice [0] (n=FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 17.42.42 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 17.43.28 Join FlynDice [0] (n=FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 17.44.33 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 17.50.01 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@69.216.116.162) 17.50.41 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.52.00 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-143-7.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 17.53.56 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-215-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.57.33 Quit Kitar|st (Connection timed out) 17.57.33 Quit Kitr88 (Connection timed out) 17.57.49 Join Kitar|st [0] (i=Kitarist@BSN-142-187-71.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 18.01.29 Join Phyber0ptik [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 18.01.47 Quit florinp3 ("CGI:IRC") 18.01.51 Quit togetic (Success) 18.11.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.14.06 Nick dys``` is now known as dys (n=andreas@krlh-5f7340c4.pool.mediaWays.net) 18.14.07 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 18.16.13 Join kramer3d [0] (n=sai@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 18.16.28 # hi 18.16.38 # who are the people working on rockbox S series port? 18.19.36 # What is "S series port"? Can you specify the exact model number? 18.19.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GigabeatSPort 18.20.27 # um 18.20.50 # Toshiba Gigabeat MES30VW 18.21.06 # my fav mp3 player :) 18.21.07 # kramer3d: i think lambdacalculus has done work for it 18.21.12 # thanks a lot 18.21.21 # Neah, F's are my fav :) 18.21.24 # does he come here often? 18.22.11 # lambdacalculus i mean 18.24.04 # i dont know, if you needed to contact him, your best bet would be to send him a PM on the forums 18.24.13 # what is the problem/question/etc? 18.29.40 Quit Phyber0ptik (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.42 Join instinct- [0] (i=5439ce63@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmhliomrtkcifedk) 18.29.53 # i just want to ask him about the current status 18.29.58 # of the development 18.30.08 # in what sense? the status is on the front page :) 18.30.21 # And a lot more people than just him will know about it.. 18.30.28 # ok 18.30.29 # I've worked with the beast some 18.30.46 # hi there 18.31.19 # just wanted to say thanks to whomever contributed to the sansa e200v2 builds. Finally installed it today and am a very happy camper 18.39.35 # amiconn: ldr on arm7tdmi is 3 cycles, right, regardless of whether the result is used immediately after? if it takes longer than that to fetch the data from memory, what happens? is the CPU stalled, or can non-dependent instructions be processed during that delay? 18.40.36 # it stalls, instructions can't be run out of order at all 18.44.28 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-229-131.slkc.qwest.net) 18.45.58 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 18.47.48 # Torne: i'm not expecting it to reorder instructions... but it stalls even if the next instruction does not depend on the result? 18.48.27 # sure, why wouldnt it? 18.51.45 # that's what i was afraid of. i'll need to rethink bs_generic for such cases, i'm pretty sure i'm seeing a stall loading the address of the LUT it uses (which is in iram) 18.52.18 # retiring them out of order is still reordering 18.52.43 # in fact that's harder for most cores.. lots of OoO cores still only retire in order 18.54.15 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-75-3-221-221.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) 18.55.03 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F69C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.55.33 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 18.55.37 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 18.57.02 Join dmb [0] (n=Dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 18.59.07 # shame there's not an adrll or something like it that would use 3 or 4 adds to construct an address. it would still be faster than what's happening with my problem code. 19.01.13 Quit hebz0rl ("Ex-Chat") 19.01.31 # you can just do it yourself, no? 19.01.37 # adr isn't an instruction anyway 19.05.10 # Torne: it's a pseudo-op that's converted to add , pc, #imm, i know. i believe adrl emits *two* adds. the issue is that i can't construct the address explicitly since the address isn't known until link time, and adrl won't work as it's in another section, and definitely too far away to construct with two adds, anyway. i had hoped that perhaps coding the function in asm myself and putting the table load at the beginning might help... it 19.05.10 # arm11 but arm7 is, as usual, less nice. :) 19.05.45 # ah right, yeah 19.05.53 # the linker doesn't have a suitable relocation type for that 19.06.26 # and it doesn't have one presumably because no address-construction pseudo-op is specified for that. :) 19.06.46 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 19.07.13 # hrm, i wonder if mov reg, #&0xff would work? and then of course some adds to fill in the other bits... 19.07.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-12/0035.shtml < do we plan a freeze ? the mail proposed to freeze on the 23rd 19.07.27 # i am prettu sure it won't 19.07.36 # it will whine that it doesn't know the symbol value 19.07.47 # but having said that there are over 110 relocation types for ARM 19.07.50 # so who the hell knows 19.07.57 # maybe there's one for that :) 19.08.48 # that's insane :) 19.09.01 # yeah 19.09.15 # that's one of the many exciting reasons why if we wanted properly-loaded plugins we wouldn't want to load them as ELF :) 19.09.57 # hrm. asm("mov %0, #table&0xff" : "=r" (var)) appears to work, actually. 19.10.13 # Neat 19.10.19 # Do arbitrary masks work? :) 19.10.29 # if so i'd be curious to see what the object file contains 19.10.43 # R_ARM_CRAZY_WHATEVER32 19.11.48 # not sure how to check :) 19.13.38 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 19.13.58 # arm-elf-objdump -d foo.o and look for the R_ARM_whatever for the location in question 19.17.42 # ...embarassingly i was editing the wrong file. it doesn't compile. :/ 19.18.47 # this does explain, though, why ffs-arm.S uses table-follows-code rather than putting the table in iram (which the coldfire version does) 19.19.00 # hehe 19.19.29 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.19.33 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.24.01 # Unhelpful: I think all-non PP ARMs have iram that isn't much faster than normal ram anyway 19.24.41 Quit Zarggg_ () 19.25.29 Join Strife89 [0] (n=Strife89@adsl-154-11-95.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.26.26 # kugel: i'm testing on e200... which is where i first noticed that an inline function with about 33% fewer ops was actually slower than saving registers and calling __builtin_clz. 19.26.39 # The difference is that in the PP chips (and coldfires) IRAM is true SRAM, whereas some of the newer SoCs only have internal DRAM that isn't much faster than ordinary DRAM 19.27.59 # well, you just assume the cache will take care of it, no? 19.28.16 # the internal ram is more so you have some way to boot conveniently when the sdram controller isn't initialised yet, rather than a performance thing 19.28.18 # probably the only way i could make it faster, if loading the table address is going to cause a stall, is to inline the table as well, with something like asm( "bx 1f\n\t" ">" "1:") 19.28.30 # and some way for the crypto processor to work without trusting external ram, if it does that kinda thing 19.28.40 # * kugel wonders how just putting the X5 bootloader on the yh-j70 would turn out 19.28.53 # kugel: do it! ;) 19.28.58 # AFAIK someone did that on the yh925 and noticed it works 19.29.16 # except he took the h10 binary 19.30.23 Join Zarggg [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 19.30.29 # that service manual says that you can fix a non-working firmware by upgrading to another version, which suggests that the flash content is recoverable by the bootloader 19.30.30 # Torne: The cache needs to load stuff from DRAM the first time it is used. That might be unacceptable 19.31.02 # Also, controlling larger caches is certainly more complex than just having another RAM area that happens to be as fast as a cache 19.31.03 # well yah. but system designs tend not to care about that kind of thing these days :( 19.31.36 # There must be a reason why those older SoCs do it that way - they have both SRAM as IRAM and a cache 19.32.09 # (coldfire only has an instruction cahce - not a data cache - which points towards the complexity theory) 19.32.25 # maybe because the processors were slower than nowadays 19.33.46 # Even the slowest processor in our targets (SH7034) has SRAM as IRAM, but no cache at all... 19.34.37 Quit funman ("free(random());") 19.34.51 # I assume faster processors with built-in cache are cheaper than extra SRAM, and still faster 19.35.02 # It can do a nice trick with this IRAM which I think wouldn't be possible with cache - it can access IRAM and external memory *in parallel* 19.35.17 # The caches essentially *are* SRAM 19.35.34 # But with significantly more complex control logic 19.36.41 # i think if people really care about that for special cases they tend to lock cache down as TCM 19.36.51 # rather than explicitly designing systems which have seperate SRAM to function as TCM 19.37.19 # tcm? 19.37.21 # and i think it's a catch-22 to some degree as well: standard OSes don't make good use of TCM and only benefit from increased caches 19.37.21 # Cache line locking needs even more logic 19.37.38 # kugel: tightly coupled memory 19.37.47 # PP can't do that afaik 19.37.52 # No, it can't 19.37.57 # well, not as far as we know 19.38.00 # but standard ARM caches can 19.38.14 # Not that it would make sense - 8KB cache but 96KB resp. 128KB IRAM 19.38.54 # I think it's really just because OSes don't tend to use it 19.39.04 # so system designers use the area for something else 19.39.11 # bigger caches are a win for almost everyone 19.39.27 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.39.30 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.39.46 # providing a small fast internal ram is not as generically applicable, even if it's cheaper 19.39.49 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.39.50 # even we need to optimize for iram on a target base if it's bigger than the usual 128K 19.39.54 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 19.39.56 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.39.56 # unless your load is from an address that *still* manages to be forced out of cache repeatedly :/ 19.40.08 # Unhelpful: well yes, there are always bad cass :) 19.40.11 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.40.18 # while caches only need a few calls here and there which are the same for all targets 19.41.27 # shame there's no way that, in specifying our own CLZ function, we could, say, indicate that it doesn't need any register saves (aside from the ones used for argument/result passing) 19.43.06 # aren't there some attributes for that? naked maybe? 19.43.20 # kugel: no, naked just says "don't generate prolog/epilog" 19.44.11 # the only way i can think of is to provide an inline that branches to the function and explicitly states lr is clobbered, and input/output is r0. 19.44.12 # isn't it inline'd? the caller saves regs then? 19.45.11 # kugel: the whole problem here is that inlining clz is losing because of the cost of loading the table address. it's cheaper to *call* gcc's clz function because it can construct its table address. 19.45.44 # it would be cheaper still if the call could be specified as clobbering only lr :) 19.46.01 # i don't think branching out of inline asm is supposed to be valid, though 19.47.04 # I think 4.5 allows to branch to C labels 19.48.01 # "As of GCC version 4.5, asm goto may be used to have the assembly jump to one or more C labels. In this form, a fifth section after the clobber list contains a list of all C labels to which the assembly may jump. Each label operand is implicitly self-named. The asm is also assumed to fall through to the next statement." 19.48.11 # Yeah, you are wanting to be flexible about the calling c onvention there 19.48.16 # which is indeed a useful notion 19.48.16 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 19.48.32 # but it's very hard to do that in a sensible way in the toolchain in general 19.50.12 # i tried to write an assembler which can globally allocate registers without requiring a calling convention, and the result was nto pretty 19.50.31 # and it's much easier to do for asm than for C :) 19.51.22 # Torne: the compiler is responsible for generating code. if an attribute is provided indicating a specific clobber or i/o register list, and is used to declare the function, that should suffice 19.52.22 # well, yes. but that's not a very generally applicable solution 19.52.35 # it works for the specific case of calling quick asm functions 19.52.42 # invalid or not there's a chance that cheating it with asm might *work*... provided the compiler really does assume that execution will arrive after your asm block with results in the specified registers and clobbers as specified, etc. 19.52.43 # i was trying for global optimisation :) 19.52.54 # and yah, it's worth a go maybe 19.56.05 Quit tomers (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.57.17 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 19.58.10 # I want to commit "FS#10879 - Cabbie: Fix usage of spaces to position strings" - it looks straight forward to me... Any objections 19.58.12 # ? 20.03.31 # to me too 20.05.41 # kugel: I will commit in about half an hour if no one says anything else... 20.11.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.14.00 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 20.15.37 Join Bagder_ [0] (n=daniel@81-235-141-52-no63.tbcn.telia.com) 20.16.26 Join FlynDice [0] (n=FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 20.17.14 Join captain-kewl [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-tpjdstthzunqsgcs) 20.21.42 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 20.28.51 Join AaronM [0] (n=Aaron@adsl-250-8-242.bhm.bellsouth.net) 20.49.46 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.53.41 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-52-241.cust.bredband2.com) 20.55.03 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 21.03.05 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.04.50 Quit kramer3d ("Leaving.") 21.07.01 # Torne: the more i think of it the more i think that *would* work. i would think the restriction on jumping out of asm only applies when it changes flow of control in the surrounding C code - because the compiler wouldn't know which code is potentially live in which cases. 21.07.16 # well do it then :) 21.08.33 # so essentially i need to write an __clz with the implementation and a static inline clz that does a bl and explicitly puts the input and output in r0... and the asm needs to clobber lr obviously. 21.10.29 # New commit by 03tomers (r24120): FS#10879 - Cabbie: Fix usage of spaces to position strings 21.10.29 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.12.50 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F69C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.13.15 Quit killan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.13.17 Join killan_ [0] (n=nnscript@c-f9fa70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 21.18.12 Join Xqtftqx [0] (n=Xqtftqx@d118-75-37-76.col.wideopenwest.com) 21.20.06 Join Grahack [0] (n=Grahack@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 21.41.20 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.45.22 Join Spamhost [0] (i=quassel@r190-0-131-248.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 21.46.25 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 21.46.52 Quit tomers (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.51.02 Quit Xqtftqx (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.55 Quit Space (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.59.40 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.00.03 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@tum-party.vipri.net) 22.06.44 Quit petur ("Zzzzzz") 22.07.44 Join slam [0] (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 22.08.10 Nick slam is now known as Guest38781 (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 22.08.57 Nick Guest38781 is now known as grndslm (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 22.10.05 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 22.11.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.15.16 # instinct-: What's the Show Files setting on? 22.16.10 # If it's on Playlists, then RB will only show directories and .m3u fies 22.16.21 # (or .m3u8 files) 22.16.26 # checkin. and thanks for the heads up on the channel confusion 22.17.46 # works like a charm. thanks a lot. 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