--- Log for 30.12.109 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 28 days and 14 hours ago 00.05.02 Nick Xqtftqx||Away is now known as Xqtftqx (n=xqtftqx@d118-75-37-76.col.wideopenwest.com) 00.05.34 # baunegaard, pixelma: r23748: Enable wheel acceleration for iPod Nano 2G. I know the wiki is not up to date. 00.05.52 Quit captain-kwel ("Page closed") 00.05.53 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 00.07.03 # The wheel parameter for nano2g is the same as nano1g. 00.07.58 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.105.206) 00.09.06 # there was a bug in a timer used by the wheel driver (before r23747). I guess this is why linuxstb have to disable accel. 00.12.19 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 00.12.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.15.55 Join klapaucjusz [0] (n=jch@dra38-1-82-225-44-56.fbx.proxad.net) 00.18.20 Join Tomis2 [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.71.199) 00.21.01 # why can't I select Rockbox stable in the Rockbox utility any more? 00.21.26 # Sorry if this isn't directly related to rockbox... but if I have a char byte, is there a way to read a specific bit from it? 00.23.55 # shift__: we have #rockbox-community for that 00.24.22 # thanks 00.24.23 # (and the answer you're looking for is probably char & (1 << bit)) 00.24.36 # thanks again. 00.25.23 Quit fyrestorm ("Ur skills' fireproof like a wooden panel -- U got feds talking leet on your IRC channel!") 00.26.19 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 00.32.43 Join Tomis2_ [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.68.218) 00.33.52 Quit Tomis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.52 Nick Tomis2_ is now known as Tomis (n=Tomis@70.134.68.218) 00.36.19 Quit dmb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.47.21 Quit Tomis2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.03 Quit Topy44 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.06.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.06.34 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@69.216.116.162) 01.08.04 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 01.12.08 Quit Topy44 ("No Ping reply in 180 seconds.") 01.14.54 Quit mcuelenaere () 01.16.04 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 01.16.18 Quit bertrik ("good night") 01.19.41 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m435a36d0.tmodns.net) 01.28.05 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-243-223.slkc.qwest.net) 01.29.19 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=rrox@r190-64-10-31.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 01.29.23 Join Spaceg [0] (n=rrox@r190-64-10-31.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 01.30.41 Quit sampattuzzi (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.36 Quit Bagder ("It is time to say moo") 01.32.25 Quit Zagor ("Leaving") 01.36.10 Join dr_kludge [0] (n=kludge@24-148-89-22.frg-bsr1.chi-frg.il.cable.rcn.com) 01.36.44 # greets, all! 01.36.57 # just got rockbox 3.4 on a 3rd gen, 15 gb touch-wheel ipod. 01.37.01 # two problems 01.37.14 # 1) the ipod doesn't shutoff under rockbox with a long play 01.37.39 # 2) doesn't seem to charge under rockbox 01.38.06 # similar experiences, questions, or ideas? 01.46.01 Quit Space (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.58.08 # hi i own a 4th gen ipod - but it charges well 01.58.38 # for shutoff press pause key long 01.58.45 # this should work 01.59.04 # maybe your battery is bad 01.59.45 # sagemfreak: long play doesn't do it for shutoff. 01.59.50 # and i'm sure the battery has issues, 01.59.57 # but it shows full under rockbox, 02.00.04 # but continues to charge under apple. 02.00.14 # strange ... 02.00.25 # i am no developer 02.00.28 # The charging problem is known to happen with some ipods. If you have problems charging, use the ipod firware to charge. 02.00.51 Join JdGordon2 [0] (n=jonno@m435a36d0.tmodns.net) 02.00.54 Quit JdGordon1 ("Leaving.") 02.01.28 # mc2739: that's the workaround i'm using. 02.01.48 # mc2739: i was hoping there was a fix. do you know of a bug on flyspray for that behavior? 02.03.34 # i read the faq question about shutoff on 1st and 2nd gen ipods, 02.03.44 # but this is 3rd gen, supposedly different. 02.03.48 # dr_kludge: Sorry, no I don't. I do know that one of the developers has been working on a solution, but do not know the progress. 02.04.00 # mc2739: thanks. 02.04.49 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c57f@gateway/web/freenode/x-aoqxrsdhkddzqkte) 02.05.06 # dr_kludge: there is an ipod charging patch on the patch tracker, but I'm not sure if it works on the 4G 02.05.11 # IIRC it was written for the 5G 02.05.23 # yeah... but i've got a 3g. 02.05.27 # oh 02.05.42 # also, doesn't seem to do anything. 02.06.07 # i don't think anyone looked into charging on the 3G 02.07.00 # the 3G and earlier ipod ports are not very far along since they were already fairly old when the ipod ports began and not many people worked on them 02.07.29 Join sagemfreak_ [0] (n=sven@p5492211A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.11.54 Quit kadoban (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.12.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.14.59 # saratoga: i see. how picky are the devs about the specificity of bug reports? 02.15.10 # i'd be happy to acts as a tester, if there were movement on open reports. 02.15.18 # dr_kludge: for charging? 02.15.31 # i don't think a bug report is needed for that, its a known issue 02.15.42 # what about for shutdown? 02.15.52 # (if you missed that issue, i can reiterate) 02.16.02 # huh the wiki says the 3G does charge 02.16.43 # amiconn: it appears there is some documentation of the libgcc library function names, and even some ability to control the functions called. this makes me a bit curious as to whether a custom function to call for these various calculations might be inline-able - though i'd guess the answer is no. 02.18.07 # i think that making our udiv implementation replace the libgcc one throughout might be very doable, and it should be possible to do *reliably*... 02.18.26 # saratoga: it's not that *doesn't* charge, more that it stops charging sooner than the apple fw. 02.20.56 # dr_kludge: when you shutdown does your ipod just reboot or do nothing? 02.21.21 # it doesn't respond at all to a long play, and the idle poweroff value seems to be ignored. 02.21.50 # to shutdown, i have to follow the directions from the faq for 1g and 2g 'pods 02.22.11 # mine shuts down, but it reboots back up right away 02.22.18 # from the wiki: "SHUTDOWN: Doesn't work, will lockup with "shutting down" message" 02.23.09 # although that was added in 2006 so its not exactly up to date 02.23.31 Quit sagemfreak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.24.12 # dr_kludge: might as well file a bug report on the shutdown issue 02.24.22 # worst case someone who knows better then us will close it 02.24.32 # i'll go ahead and do that. 02.24.42 # similarly bad behavior *is* mentioned on the wiki. 02.24.45 # just noticed that. 02.26.58 # ah well, i'm probably just going to fix up this ipod 02.27.02 # ha "2002 by Linus Nielsen Feltzing" from power-ipod.c 02.27.08 # he must have had a time machine 02.27.16 # and trade it for an archos jukebox recorder. 02.27.40 # why so many old targets 02.28.21 Quit klapaucjusz ("leaving") 02.28.45 # heh. 02.28.52 # the ipod was a hand-me-down, 02.29.02 # and the jukebox is, feature-wise, the perfect gadget for me. 02.29.15 # i had one, and lost it. 02.29.16 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@f053152026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 02.29.18 # and i want it back ;) 02.29.33 # (1) recording directly to encoded files 02.29.51 # (2) hdd upgradeable to 120 gb for $50 02.30.02 # (3) doubles as AA battery charger 02.30.03 # i would think a SWCODEC target with wavpack would be more appealing then HWCODEC for that 02.30.06 Quit bluebroth3r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.30.33 # (4) gets 7 - 10 hours on contemporary rechargeable AAs 02.30.46 # i don't need the recording for anything fancy, 02.30.59 # and the batteries and harddrive upgrade had me sold. 02.31.03 # also, cheap. 02.31.11 # weight and screen don't really matter to me. 02.31.57 # i know, i'm weird. 02.33.03 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE2AF56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.34.25 Join CaptainKewl [0] (n=jason@207-237-117-89.c3-0.80w-ubr2.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.35.09 # hrm, it looks like the option to rename is at (gcc's) compile time. the names are still documented, though, and as long as we link our own support lib before libgcc we should get our own routines... 02.37.14 Quit Topy44 (Remote closed the connection) 02.37.42 Join comradekingu [0] (n=comradek@188.113.121.230) 02.38.57 Quit shift__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.05 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 02.41.56 Join franc [0] (n=franc@CPE001a70fc6909-CM000f212f8e1b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 02.41.59 # Hello. 02.42.05 # I have a question 02.42.17 Quit einhirn_ ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.44.00 # I recently installed rockbox on my 5th generation ipod and so far it's working well but sometimes when I'm loading up menus/starting a song the hard drive starts running (you can hear it) and then you can hear the hard drive suddenly stop a few seconds after it starts ticking.. Is this normal? 02.44.45 Quit Topy44 (Remote closed the connection) 02.46.39 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.47.09 # There is no way for the firmware to read or write to the disk in a harmfull way, any noise is bound to be one of those, unless your drive started failing just when you installed rockbox 02.49.34 # hm 02.49.34 # ok. 02.50.21 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 02.55.21 Quit baunegaard () 02.59.13 Quit einhirn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.03.31 Quit Topy44 ("No Ping reply in 180 seconds.") 03.08.04 Quit Hillshum (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.11.07 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 03.14.53 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.15.18 Quit elcan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.18.02 Join elcan [0] (i=user36@pr0.us) 03.19.39 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 03.25.18 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.31.46 Join dmb [0] (n=Dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) 03.32.02 # does anyone have an idea why the cross compilers stopped building on MacOS in recent versions? 03.49.56 Part franc 03.51.42 Join mt [0] (n=chatzill@41.233.136.181) 04.01.42 Quit DerPapst1 ("Leaving.") 04.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.17.22 Join dys``````` [0] (n=andreas@krlh-5f72fe14.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.17.42 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 04.18.54 Quit dys``````` (Remote closed the connection) 04.19.22 Join dys [0] (n=andreas@krlh-5f72fe14.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.31.02 Quit JdGordon2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.32.40 Quit dys`````` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.42.43 Quit Spaceghost ("güit") 05.03.50 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.03.51 Join Transformer [0] (n=Transfor@ool-43563460.dyn.optonline.net) 05.05.58 Part Transformer 05.19.10 Part froggyman 05.25.38 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.27.41 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 05.44.17 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-232-191.slkc.qwest.net) 05.48.45 Quit Hillshum (Remote closed the connection) 06.05.16 Join daurn [0] (i=daurnima@freenode/staff/daurnimator) 06.12.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.14.43 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-232-191.slkc.qwest.net) 06.26.07 Join hillshum_ [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-231-157.slkc.qwest.net) 06.28.11 Quit Hillshum (Nick collision from services.) 06.28.19 Nick hillshum_ is now known as Hillshum (n=hillshum@75-165-231-157.slkc.qwest.net) 06.46.50 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 06.54.21 Join ED-209 [0] (n=cbdcff60@giant.haxx.se) 06.54.26 # hey 06.54.45 # FS#5269 this task said it's been solved, but where is the new bootloader? 06.55.06 # is it a mistake that it's 100% solved? 06.56.42 # or complete I should say 06.57.02 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.57.11 # I downloaded the latest build hoping it had been solved in that but obviously it is the bootloader 06.57.59 Quit ED-209 (Client Quit) 07.03.28 Join lifeless__ [0] (n=lifeless@94.51.194.249) 07.06.05 Quit lifeless_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.11.47 Quit daurn ("Cyas") 07.12.40 Quit saratoga ("Page closed") 07.24.14 Quit Spaceg (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.27.24 Quit YPSY (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.28.05 Join Ypsy [0] (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 07.28.07 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 07.36.50 Quit Topy44 ("No Ping reply in 180 seconds.") 07.39.07 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 07.41.26 Join FlynDice [0] (n=FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.43.01 Join angelwolf71885 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-173-171-133-36.tampabay.res.rr.com) 07.43.56 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 07.45.09 Quit angelwolf71885 (Client Quit) 07.50.06 Quit Topy44 (Remote closed the connection) 08.04.07 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 08.12.19 # wow - do we have Rockbox USB code working on the 2G Nano? 08.12.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.15.57 Quit AndyI (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.21 Quit CaptainKewl (Remote closed the connection) 08.42.44 Quit Tomis () 08.47.58 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.68.218) 08.54.05 Quit Tomis () 09.00.03 Quit pjm0616 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.00.12 Join FOAD_ [0] (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.00.51 Quit faemir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.01.12 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@78.33.109.163) 09.01.25 Quit FOAD (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.01.26 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (n=dok@dinah.blub.net) 09.02.09 # I think we need something added to the wiki about how NOT to make donations. Or rather, what your expectations should be if you make one. 09.05.40 Part dr_kludge ("WeeChat 0.3.0") 09.05.51 Join SIGSEGV [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 09.07.31 # Something along the lines of "don't expect them to influence project direction, etc"? 09.11.02 # yes 09.12.19 # the donations page needs a "Frequently Made Assumptions" section which specifically mentions bounties, and why in general we're not interested. 09.12.38 # unless they're in the realm of millions of dollars that we can doll out to all 500 contributors :) 09.25.55 Join Topy44 [0] (n=topy@my.fastsh.it) 09.27.03 # * GodEater makes the relevant changes 09.27.09 # comments please 09.28.51 Join gill0r_ [0] (n=gill0r@f054179253.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.35.57 # I've only just got round to reading through the newly re-written bit on the front page about the devices Rockbox now runs on. I'd like to suggest changing the wording on the final line from "it is not supported" to "Rockbox does not run on it." Any thoughts? 09.37.20 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.68.218) 09.38.29 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 09.42.42 Quit gill0r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.42.43 # GodEater: I agree - and you could even change it yourself (just needs one of the Swedes to put up the new version) 09.45.17 # I'd rather wait for a consensus before changing it - but thanks for your support ;) 09.56.01 # I don't think there will be any objection to your suggestion. As far as I remember the homepage was changed along those lines already once (before the new lists) 10.04.37 # pixelma: do I need to checkout a different bit of svn to get the www pages? 10.05.03 # yes, the www module is seperate 10.05.14 # do you happen to know the path to it? 10.05.22 # or is it written down somewhere? 10.06.47 # just replace the /rockbox at the end of the path with /www 10.07.21 Quit gill0r_ (Remote closed the connection) 10.07.32 # thanks 10.07.36 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-225-208.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 10.08.04 # do you mean the rockbox that appears before trunk? 10.09.22 # err... 10.09.38 # * pixelma tries to remember 10.09.45 # the svn path I have for rockbox is svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk 10.10.01 # I'm guessing that's not the right bit to change though, as it didn't work :( 10.10.29 # oops, I think you need to replace /trunk then, my memory seems to trick me :\ 10.10.35 # ah ok 10.10.38 # will try that 10.10.51 # ah ha 10.10.54 # that's doing something 10.11.06 # I know I did it once and it was easy 10.11.34 # :) 10.11.46 # * GodEater makes life complicated for himself and uses git-svn 10.12.09 # blame yourself then ;) 10.12.16 # I do - a lot. ;D 10.12.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.14.36 # heh - I just noticed FosWiki supports graphical smileys! 10.18.36 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de) 10.21.28 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.23.13 # New commit by 03bryan (r24123): Modified the front page on www.rockbox.org to make it clearer that if your player is not mentioned, then rockbox does not work on it at all, not that ... 10.24.27 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-229-142.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 10.24.33 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.27.00 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.28.29 # Zagor / Bager : can you please do the honours with the front page now I've changed it? :) 10.32.15 # * pixelma hands GodEater a "d" - or a "4 with a tab" ;) 10.32.56 # did I do something stupid? 10.33.08 Quit lifeless__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.33.25 Join lifeless__ [0] (n=lifeless@94.51.194.249) 10.33.27 # ah yes 10.33.40 # sorry B4gder / Bagder 10.58.03 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 11.09.04 Quit SIGSEGV (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.09.38 Join SIGSEGV [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 11.10.34 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@g226204010.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.13.53 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 11.23.38 Part stooo 11.32.44 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=Paule@p54BED902.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.33.46 # ? 11.34.00 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 11.34.51 # pixelma: I'd like to commit the images in FS#10854 & FS#10852, but am unsure how to. perfectdrug said you should know? 11.35.38 Quit bertrik (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.40.58 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 11.55.21 Join evilnick [0] (i=457288ab@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 12.11.25 Quit Utchybann ("I like core dumps") 12.12.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.20.43 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=quassel@77-23-96-13-dynip.superkabel.de) 12.20.49 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-054-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.32.30 # mcuelenaere: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#SVG_images is helpful. Sometimes epstopdf is a bit picky though and the result doesn't look like expected (sometimes if the svg uses transparencies or if there are "holes" in objects). You could also add the small images to the www module (PNGs with 80 pixels in their widest dimension). If you have problems with the pdf or png version you could also only commit the svg as a start and I'll 12.32.30 # have a look later (not today though) 12.36.05 Quit mt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.36.45 Join mt [0] (n=chatzill@41.233.143.151) 12.42.13 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 12.43.01 Quit SIGSEGV (Success) 12.45.47 Join SIGSEGV [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 12.48.36 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.50.14 Quit SIGSEGV (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.50.34 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 12.59.42 Join SIGSEGV2 [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 13.03.31 Join Tomis2 [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.70.146) 13.08.26 Join Grahack [0] (n=Grahack@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 13.09.00 # pixelma: is there a problem with exporting the SVG to PDF in Inkscape directly? 13.11.57 Quit chaos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.16.23 Quit Tomis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.16.24 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (n=Tomis@70.134.70.146) 13.17.00 Quit SIGSEGV2 (Connection timed out) 13.22.46 # New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r24124): Add Onda VX747/VX777 playerpics. 13.23.32 # mcuelenaere: never tried 13.23.45 # pixelma: looks like that works fine 13.23.55 # pixelma: do I need to edit some .tex files? 13.28.23 # if the files are named correctly (as the related platform files specify), then the pics will be used automatically. I haven't looked though if the platform files already exsit 13.32.42 # they don't 13.36.29 # * mcuelenaere tries building the manual 13.38.42 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 13.39.14 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 13.46.44 Quit florinp3 ("CGI:IRC") 13.47.25 Join sajmon [0] (n=chaos@hybris.inf.ug.edu.pl) 13.52.13 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 13.56.48 Join mcuelenaere_ [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.00.28 Quit hebz0rl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.05.20 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 14.05.47 Join Willy [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-250-133-72.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 14.06.32 # I deleted everything in my build dir, and ran 'make -j2'. What does this mean: "arm-elf-gcc: /home/uwill/rockbox/apps/plugins/boomshine.lua: linker input file unused because linking not done" 14.06.46 # Willy: you can ignore that 14.06.53 # OK 14.09.41 Quit mcuelenaere (Nick collision from services.) 14.09.45 Nick mcuelenaere_ is now known as mcuelenaere (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) 14.09.59 Quit mcuelenaere () 14.10.14 Quit Willy (Client Quit) 14.12.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.30.34 # New commit by 03funman (r24125): Do not try to generate dependencies of lua files 14.31.06 Join Willy [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-76-250-133-72.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 14.33.53 # Does RB know when my battery is fully charged? 14.34.17 Quit sajmon ("leaving") 14.35.01 # e200R 14.35.21 Join chaos_ [0] (n=chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 14.36.25 Nick chaos_ is now known as chaos (n=chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 14.43.13 # Willy, yes 14.43.47 # Is there a page that details what happens when full charge is detected? 14.46.02 # bertrik: i'm looking at fs#10603, do you think i should start with your last patch or an older one ? your last patch from Oct 25th introduced new problems 14.54.21 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-212-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.57.39 Quit einhirn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.29 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p3EE2B4B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.06.09 # has someone knowledge about action.c - i am trying to track down FS#10883. 15.07.34 # i suppose get_action_worker() is producing that bug 15.08.42 Join seani [0] (n=seani@78.33.109.70) 15.16.48 Join AstroBoi [0] (n=kieran@75.15.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) 15.20.03 # Hi there, I just wanted to commend you guys on your excellent software. :D Only discovered it today and managed to put it on my iriver H10 after some screwing around. For some reason the auto util was a bit odd. Kept deleting the System/H10_20GC.mi4 file when installing .rockbox directory. But all good now! 15.22.16 # always a pleasure to hear from a happy user 15.22.36 Join efyx [0] (n=efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 15.26.00 Quit Grahack ("Tu m'as vu ?") 15.26.11 # Yeh, been wondering if something like this existed for a while 15.26.24 # actually i wanted something liek this about 3 years ago ;P 15.26.27 # it's existed since about 2001 :) 15.27.07 # Mature project then, I was about to look up when development was started :) 15.27.32 # Not quite sure when the H10 port hit the bricks, but I imagine around 2006/7 15.28.18 # *nod* 15.28.56 # the H10 is very similar internally to the ipods of the same era, so the port was "easy" :) 15.29.01 # for various values of easy 15.29.09 # yeh 15.29.41 # Are people mad enough to work on visualisations? :P 15.30.30 # not currently 15.30.40 # nothing stopping anyone though 15.30.58 # most people value the battery life more than the trippy colours they might get 15.31.16 # Ah itd always be fun to show sometihng like that off occasionally :) 15.31.16 # isn't vu_meter a kind of visualisation? 15.31.29 # funman, yeah but very limited :) 15.31.47 # well there's plasma too 15.31.56 # but I've no idea how well it matches the music 15.31.57 # thats just an animation isnt it? 15.32.35 # plasma doesn't depend on music input 15.33.00 Quit Willy ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]") 15.33.46 # there's a project for some enterprising newbie then ;) 15.34.13 # ;) 15.35.09 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.36.01 # Heh, that was something that shit me with iriver before.. Just discovered that you can set the backlight to turn off at whatever time you could 15.36.31 # the iriver software only lets you set 5 or 30 seconds or something 15.39.10 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm23.omega219.maxonline.com.sg) 15.46.55 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@6.Red-79-147-3.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) 15.47.10 # Is the Cowon D2+ supported yet? 15.47.36 # define "supported" 15.47.46 # we're still listing it as an unstable port 15.48.31 # Can I buy a D2+ and cound on you? :P 15.48.48 # ah, my mistake, I misread 15.49.06 # the D2 is the only one that's running Rockbox currently 15.49.52 # OK. 15.50.55 # Then I'll wait for the D2 to be available again. Is the SD slot driven purely by software? Will it support SDXC once RockBox implements it? 15.51.32 # Yes, and yes if we ever bother. 15.51.50 # Why would you not bother? 15.51.59 # in the same way that the early sansas all support SDHC under Rockbox, whilst their original firmwares do not. 15.52.05 # Ok. 15.52.10 # there is no development roadmap for Rockbox 15.52.15 # I have a Sansa Fuze currently. 15.52.15 # people do what they choose to 15.52.23 # I'm only saying there is no guarantee 15.53.03 # It's a V2 so RB doesn't run on it at all. Can you tell me anything about the D/A? Is it comparable to the one in the D2? 15.54.00 # The Fuze seems to make clicking sounds when I change the volume. Would be cool to know whether it is a HW issue or not, and if RB would fix it once it was available. 15.54.03 # I can't, because I'm not working on either port 15.54.17 # kthx 15.54.32 # I can tell you that the audio hardware in the early sansas is considered to be very poor 15.54.43 # or at least, badly shielded from the rest of the electronics 15.54.56 # so it's possible the problem is a HW one 15.56.25 # Perhaps I could shield it manually :P 15.56.44 # Will filling it with epoxy do anything? ;) 15.56.45 # * GodEater does not endorse hardware modification 15.56.50 # no 15.57.03 # other than make it very likely it'll overheat 15.58.12 # GodEater: Do you know which ones those are? 15.58.27 # which ones what are? 15.58.37 # * GodEater is confused 15.59.06 # I just bought two e280s (no idea which vesion) on eBay. Poor sound quality would make them *completely* not worth the 20-some dollars they cost me :-P 15.59.27 # ah, the e200 series was definitely a culprit 15.59.43 # iirc people complain of some buzzing noise that's heard when the buffer is filling from flash 16.00.16 # I don't actually own an e200 of any sort, so couldn't confirm or deny these claims however 16.00.28 # I don't find it's a problem on my c200 though 16.00.37 # Ah 16.00.41 # but I'm also known to have tin ears :) 16.00.50 # evilnick: eh? :) 16.00.55 # Maybe something a few capacitors could fix? 16.01.11 # those $500 IEMs of yours were SO not worth it :) 16.01.25 # * rhodan ordered some Sennheiser IE 7 16.01.27 # nima: I think you're best doing a search on the forums about the issue 16.01.37 # GodEater: Thanks 16.01.39 # my recollections are incredibly vague on the matter 16.03.02 # rhodan: hope they're worth it :) 16.03.39 # GodEater: they are. I'm just worried about the Sansa's quality. 16.04.02 # get an ipod instead ? 16.04.02 # It the lack of gapless makes me go mad, though. 16.04.20 # iPods have even worse DACs IIRC. 16.04.30 # I disagree 16.04.39 # but you're entitled to your opinion 16.04.45 # sound quality being subjective and all 16.05.28 # I never actually listened to them. But I heard people moan. 16.06.04 # I mean, moan about the sound quality. 16.06.10 # Not in a sexual way. 16.06.16 # those people tended never to swap out the default ear buds... 16.06.21 # Just to make that clear 16.06.24 # which were f***ing awful 16.06.34 # even *my* ears could tell that 16.06.59 # No, I acually heard it on a german HiFi forum, where they all use really expensive headphones. 16.07.10 # ah - one of *those* forums 16.07.21 # No, not a voodoo forum. 16.07.23 # and you read that they rate the sansas higher? :) 16.07.44 # A forum full of engineers who build their own amps and stuff. 16.07.47 # Really cool. 16.08.07 # I think the hydrogenaudio people are fairly clued up 16.08.24 # I think, too 16.08.39 # I'd be surprised if they rated the sansas over the ipod though 16.08.57 # rhodan: for what its worth, my opinion is that at least out of the line out, the ipods have much better sound than the sansas...the ipods are known to have issues with low impedance headphones out of the headphone jack though 16.09.10 # Oh I see. 16.09.17 # So I'll get a Cowon? 16.09.24 # ah, Mr. "I own the most expensive earbuds of anyone here" has joined us :) 16.09.31 # shhhh ;) 16.09.47 # congrats on the new puppy btw 16.09.51 # she looks very cute 16.11.18 # rhodan: there's also the gigabeat f/x to consider 16.11.46 # I need 40GB :P 16.11.55 # yes and? 16.12.02 # * GodEater owns a 40GB gigabeat 16.12.12 # Ok, they have it. But where to buy them? 16.12.30 # ebay / craigslist / dodgy guys in rain coats on street corners ? 16.12.35 # * scorche is very pleased with the Gigabeat F series 16.12.41 # yes - it's pretty awesome :) 16.12.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.13.40 # they make good bricks in towers of rockbox too :) 16.14.05 # Can I buy a MEG-F10S and swap the HDD? 16.14.24 # yes, but it'd have to be a single platter HDD 16.14.31 # otherwise the back wouldn't fit on the player 16.14.44 # and you have to make sure you get a compatible HDD 16.14.56 # we have a guide in the wiki somewhere 16.16.19 Join fml [0] (n=5dd2e3e5@giant.haxx.se) 16.17.27 # Does anybody experience the problem described in FS#10867 (backlight not working in sansa sim)? It renders the sansa sim unusable and I wonder why the corresponding commit hasn't been reverted yet. 16.18.31 # I can't find no Gigabeat F on the internet. 16.18.54 # fml: can't it be fixed by not reverting a commit ? 16.19.18 Join Omlet^away [0] (i=omlet05@52.115-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 16.19.25 Quit Hillshum (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.19.37 # mc2739: can you try FS#10603 dbop_buttons4.patch on e200v2 ? 16.20.12 Nick Omlet^away is now known as Omlet (i=omlet05@52.115-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 16.20.44 # funman: maybe. But in all other cases serious bugs either have been fixed within minutes or hours or the corresponding commit were reverted until a proper patch has been prepared. 16.21.33 # i think the way to go is to pester mcuelenaere until he fixes it :) 16.21.38 # That's why I'm asking whether other people experience this. I think if they did there were a lot of screaming. But it seems there is not. 16.22.02 # rhodan: this is getting a bit offtopic for this channel, but i see a few on ebay 16.22.17 # scorche: but none that ship to Switzerland :P 16.22.49 # * scorche sees 1 that does 16.22.57 # Link pls. 16.23.10 # * GodEater waits to snipe the auction! 16.23.32 # rhodan: please join #rockbox-community and we can discuss this there, as this is offtopic for this channel 16.23.54 # scorche: you could've written that shorter. 16.24.01 # fup2 #rockbox-community 16.25.17 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.25.49 # funman: heh, I wanted to get back to the dbop patch now that I have a working fuze again 16.26.10 # anyway, the last time I sync'd it didn't work on the e200v2 16.26.57 # kugel: hello. Could you look at FS#10867 please? You said you saw the reason and a way to fix it back then. 16.27.08 # the diff isn't very big so I think it won't require too much work 16.27.55 # fml: I have no time currently, I hoped you try the ideas I had 16.28.33 # kugel: maybe tonight. 16.28.41 # (I mean myself) 16.30.01 # funman, yes I think they method from my last patch has most promise 16.30.34 # bertrik: i fixed the new problems in my last patch by adding back locking, not sure why you thought it was not needed anymore 16.31.01 # I still would like to keep reading dbop while lcd updates on the fuze 16.31.18 # the fundamental problem (at least on the fuze) is that the LCD can keep DBOP busy for 10 ms, while the scroll wheel needs 5 ms polling on the same DBOP bus, assuming that we don't want to interrupt the lcd_update 16.31.24 # well, only the scrollwheel bits can be read but those are the important bits 16.32.28 # the idea in the latest patch is that lcd update is interrupted by the interrupt, which then waits for the DBOP FIFO to flush and then read the buttons 16.33.01 # maybe this idea fails because the FIFO already indicates 'ready' while it is still busy with the latest transfer 16.33.13 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 16.33.29 # kugel: do you mean we can read the scrollwheel bits without precharging DBOP_DOUT ? 16.33.36 # yes 16.33.44 # funman: yes, I will try it now 16.34.01 Quit fml ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.34.38 # bertrik: we can't write to DBOP_DOUT while a LCD transfer is in progress 16.35.27 # the problem is not only that writing results in blue pixels, but also that it confuses the windowing 16.37.45 # funman: that only works on the fuze as it seems though 16.39.32 # kugel: i think you had written this in your last patch, no ? 16.39.51 # the one that doesn't work on the e200v2, yes 16.40.10 Join kadoban [0] (n=mud@cpe-24-93-17-195.rochester.res.rr.com) 16.45.10 Quit funman ("free(random());") 16.48.07 # funman: Scrollwheel and hold switch do not work, all other buttons appear to work properly. Display looks good in menus and WPS, could not test mpegplayer due to lack of scrollwheel. 16.48.37 Join lifeless_ [0] (n=lifeless@94.51.194.249) 16.49.20 Join Hillshum [0] (n=hillshum@75-165-242-3.slkc.qwest.net) 16.55.45 Quit hebz0rl ("Ex-Chat") 16.58.40 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=Paule@p54BEBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.00.28 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-eqogmhsykhdurpvm) 17.01.01 # maybe its worth ifdef'ing FS#10603 for the Fuze 17.02.26 # saratoga: That would work. I'm not seeing the video glitches on the e200v2 and the scrollwheel works fine with the svn code 17.05.56 Quit lifeless__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.06.49 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m465a36d0.tmodns.net) 17.15.03 # New commit by 03dionoea (r24126): Clicking on a discovered tile with its number of adjacent mines already flagged now clicks on all adjacent undiscovered and unflagged tiles. 17.18.23 # saratoga: i don't thik it's worth 17.18.57 # the idea is to combine the massive amount of duplicated code there, #ifdefing the whole patch for the fuze defeats the purpose 17.19.43 # I must have made a change that broke the e200v2, since earlier patches worked 17.19.46 Quit Hillshum (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.20.02 Join bimbel [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 17.21.02 # mc2739: maybe you can try to make the delay in dbop-as3525.c not fuze-only 17.21.20 Join Grahack [0] (n=Grahack@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 17.22.44 Join Spaceg [0] (i=rrox@r190-64-12-192.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 17.30.46 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 17.30.55 Quit bmbl (No route to host) 17.39.59 Join dsmith [0] (n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com) 17.40.40 # Howdy folks. Can an ipod running rockbox be controlled through the wired interface? 17.41.16 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 17.41.26 Join Kitr88 [0] (n=Kitarist@BSN-95-200-34.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 17.42.36 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.48.06 Join klapaucjusz [0] (n=jch@dra38-1-82-225-44-56.fbx.proxad.net) 17.48.22 # Torne: I've looked at the issue you were having with huge AAC files. 17.48.33 # Multiple bugs here, but after working around a few of those, 17.48.44 # I've found the fundamental issue: 17.48.48 # codec_malloc is failing. 17.49.10 # klapaucjusz: well yeah 17.49.17 # it fails when it runs out of memory 17.49.28 # you can't malloc at 3MB look up table on an MP3 player so it fails 17.49.59 # dsmith: theres some ability to control it via the remote control interface (a rs232 type interface) 17.50.21 Quit Utchybann (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.50.55 # saratoga: hold on. 17.51.06 # klapaucjusz: IIRC the current parser mallocs something like 8 bytes per mpeg frame 17.51.48 # and a frame is just 1024/44100 seconds long, so it quickly exhausts the available buffer on large files (typically less then ~750KB but less then 100KB on some targets) 17.52.40 # 2 bytes per frame for the stsz, 17.52.55 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-69-238-92-103.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 17.53.01 # and the file Torne sent me has 1.2 million frames 17.53.20 # Where are the other large allocations? 17.54.23 # IIRC theres two tables its growing but its been so long i could be forgetting 17.54.55 # stsz could probably be effectively run-length encoded, at a slight cost in runtime performance. 17.55.52 # back of the envelope is that the parser fails on files with more then about 130,000 frames for most targets 17.56.26 # so that works out to about 6 bytes per frame I guess 17.56.35 # maybe a short and an int32 table? 17.57.14 # i always assumed there had to be a way to store fewer points in the lookup table 17.57.48 # but the mp4 file structure is so complicated with so many rules i wasn't sure if it was really safe to undersample the look up table, although it seemed to work when I tried it on itunes files at least 17.58.31 # I see. 17.58.41 # And does it tend to contain repeated values? 17.58.51 Quit Kitar|st (Connection timed out) 17.58.57 Join Kitar|st [0] (i=Kitarist@BSN-61-87-254.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 17.59.42 # klapaucjusz: i think the values are offsets in the file, so they won't repeat, but they're predicatable for the files i looked at 18.00.16 # i could walk itunes files just by assuming that the i+1 value would be at i+length_of_ith_frame 18.00.16 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.00.41 # but for all i know that fails horribly on files produced by other software 18.00.48 # saratoga: improved debugging in MP4 demux, http://rockbox.pastebin.com/m1db15a5 18.01.03 Quit Kitr88 (Connection timed out) 18.01.11 # Might be useful to commit. 18.02.15 Join captain_kewl [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-emlmwhsjopfdvdwx) 18.02.20 # saratoga, Thanks 18.02.26 # klapaucjusz: fwiw i'll try and get your stuff commited after we branch for 3.5, whenever that is 18.02.46 # saratoga: thanks. 18.03.48 # Concerning stsz -- aren't you confusing with stsc, which contains file offsets? 18.04.31 # And no, it won't work in general, since mp4 has facilities for padding between chunks, IIRC. 18.04.52 # * klapaucjusz goes back to the drawing board 18.04.57 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 18.10.17 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 18.10.52 # has anybody started a piezo driver for ipod nano2g? 18.12.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.13.01 # sagemfreak_: have you tried FS#5111 ? 18.13.23 # kugel: ping 18.14.33 # FS#5111 seems like something that should have gone in by now 18.14.49 # Utchubann: no - but ive already read the tasklist 18.15.14 # utchybann: there was only arm target in the patch 18.15.33 # ipod nano 2g isnt arm or is ist? 18.15.43 # arm 18.15.47 # what is ist 18.15.55 # isnt :-) 18.16.01 # oh 18.16.06 # small keyboard :-) 18.16.19 # i will try 18.16.29 # jdgordon: ping 18.17.02 # i don't see any arm specific code in that patch anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about ISA, its the least of your worries 18.17.36 # thanks 18.17.46 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-220-194.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.19.35 # btw: ive found a clickwheel-slider related bug in the current rockbox version. ive submitted a bugreport and a patch: FS#10883 18.21.16 Quit kugel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.25.30 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.27.32 Quit Grahack (Remote closed the connection) 18.39.13 Join GeekShado_ [0] (n=Antoine@86.143.195-77.rev.gaoland.net) 18.46.44 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.46.51 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 18.47.02 Join Grahack [0] (n=Grahack@stc92-1-82-227-106-100.fbx.proxad.net) 18.50.27 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.57.17 Quit Tomis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.25 Quit BeFalou ("leaving") 19.00.10 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@ALyon-551-1-5-153.w92-137.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.06.20 Join shai [0] (n=Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 19.10.36 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E35C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.11.55 # is the voice issue on the clip likely to be intractable, or can voice files be reduced to under 100KB while still being useful? 19.12.11 # if not, maybe we should just disable voice on the clip and note in the manual that theres not enough memory for it to work 19.34.23 Quit tomers (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.46 # saratoga: amiconn things we should be able to free up quite a bit more RAM. 19.36.26 # It might be wise to note that under current circumstances voice won't work for the forseeable future in the manual, since no matter what happens it'll probably involve some significant rework. 19.37.26 # Though I don't know what quality spx we encode voice at. 19.38.40 Quit Spaceg (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.39.13 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 19.40.50 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 19.40.52 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.41.08 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.41.21 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.41.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.41.32 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.41.53 Join Space [0] (i=rrox@r190-0-142-64.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 19.46.41 Quit Xqtftqx (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.59.49 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.00.35 # New commit by 03dionoea (r24127): Add bitmaps for correct and wrong flags when showing the full board. (Feel free to change the graphics) 20.01.22 Join fml [0] (n=5dd2e3e5@giant.haxx.se) 20.01.40 Quit GeekShado_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.02.14 # kugel: ping. What values are possible for CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADING? _SW, _PWM and _TARGET? Nothing else? 20.02.32 # SW has to kinds 20.02.36 # Llorean: loading voice from disk combined with an LRU cache might be an option for flash targets 20.03.10 # kugel: where is it explained? 20.03.50 # saratoga: That's actually what I suggested. 20.04.20 # it seems like the best solution 20.04.28 # Since even if you use menus a lot, it's usually just a few of them (context, playlist, etc) 20.05.20 # there's a wiki page about it 20.06.03 # kugel: I mean where are those symbols declared? They are probably (hopefully) commented there. I can't find them. 20.06.03 # fml: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BacklightFading 20.06.10 # config.h 20.06.46 # Ah, the wiki page is even better! 20.08.04 # kugel: ping 20.08.15 # tomers: pong 20.08.44 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@vpn10.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 20.09.01 # Have you read my response to FS#10882? I would like to discuss this with you, as I apparently don't quite understand your suggestion 20.10.02 # saratoga: ping 20.10.24 # New commit by 03alle (r24128): Fix a typo in comment 20.10.34 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.10.42 # GodEater: pong 20.11.19 # the change I made to that wiki page today was a reflection of the responses we've typically given to bounty approaches - perhaps it was premature though 20.11.58 # tomers: I don't understand the need for those special tokens for viewports and AA 20.11.58 # perhaps we ought to solicit an actual opinion from our regulars about what to say there? 20.12.20 # exist a project to integrate the TTS technology to Rockbox? 20.12.20 # surely a single conditional rtl tag would solve all problems? 20.12.40 # is a intersting idea 20.12.41 # i don't think having a specific policy makes all that much sense since we have in the past accepted a lot of money from google for instance 20.12.44 # kugel: Can you please look at the screenshot in the FS item? This is what I would like to achieve 20.12.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.13.01 # maybe we should just say that its expensive to hire programmers and its best not discussed on the forums 20.13.14 # kugel: I don't understand how the conditional you suggest will be used. Can you please explain? 20.13.36 # saratoga: perhaps. Since the typical offer of a bounty is in the tens of dollars we ought to just point out that's an unrealistic amount to pay a programmer for their time? 20.13.41 # and decide on a case by case basis if someone is actually serious about it 20.13.48 # %[rtl tag here]?<%Vda|%Vdb> etc 20.13.54 # that makes sense 20.13.56 # I am thinking something of... make that in te computer, or someone recorder it for each song 20.13.58 # the point about how and when to pay still stands I think 20.14.05 # yeah thats fine 20.14.06 # we'd need some sort of escrow service 20.14.19 # *if* someone was serious 20.14.24 # the only necesary maybe will that Rockbox can sincronyze anytime of the song 20.14.31 # i just dislike having a policy that seems to imply we place additional limits on how source can be developed that are not in the GPL 20.14.33 # the song with that sound 20.14.36 # is that possible? 20.14.50 # saratoga: feel free to modify the page then :) 20.14.53 # easy, or someone is necesary to that? 20.15.08 # ok 20.15.09 # kugel: But that requires defining four VPs - AA? (yes/no), RTL? (yes/no)... It will be some sort of hell... 20.15.22 # a simple mp3 player can't sincronize two sound anywhere? 20.15.26 # so? 20.15.30 # * gevaerts agrees with saratoga 20.15.32 # it's way more flexible afterall 20.16.01 # gevaerts: it does seem a rather divisive issue 20.16.02 # not all themes will look nice when it's simply mirrored, it a lot depends on the backdrop and might need fine tuning 20.16.28 # but it's not smart :-( And it will be hard to write WPS this way (at least one that is RTL friendly) 20.16.41 # and then you might want other tags to be aware too, and end up with special casing hundreds of tags 20.16.59 # the WPS language is not meant to be easy, it's meant to allow for flexbile layout 20.17.44 # kugel: Well, I'll try doing so. This is basically what pixelma suggested in the following thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23332.msg159054#msg159054 20.18.11 # we traditionally do those things via conditional tags, what you is breaking this tradition by introducing special cases 20.19.00 # kugel: We already got RTL conditional, so I'll try implementing it in the WPS by using this conditional 20.19.21 # BTW who knows something about fonts here? 20.19.21 # GodEater: maybe. I think it's unlikely that someone will offer an amount of money big enough for this to be a real issue though 20.19.34 # I'm very sure you can do what your screenshot show and much more using the conditional 20.19.58 # kugel: Thanks for your help. I'll try. Meanwhile let's keep the FS item open. 20.21.33 # GodEater: done 20.21.34 # hopefully this is acceptable 20.22.37 # looks perfect 20.23.01 # although I'd specify US dollars :) 20.23.16 # we don't want someone offering some cheap knockoff dollars ;) 20.23.17 # * gevaerts likes it 20.25.11 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 20.25.26 # ok changed to have USD 20.27.38 # I can't think of anything else I'd change 20.27.49 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 20.28.48 # kugel: a quick try didn't bring any success. I'll leave fixing to mcuelenaere or someone else who knows that code better. But it's a pity that such bug sits there for so long. Imagine it was on target! 20.30.39 # I hope I can find some time to look at it soon 20.32.40 # tomers: what do you want to know about fonts? I know a little bit about how they are generated. 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TTS? speak? domonoky, to find documentation on rockbox's page 22.20.50 # search the wiki for "voice". 22.22.42 # there are two parts: a voicefile with the clips for all the menus, and optionally talkfiles to speak all your files and folders. rbutil should be able to generate all of this for you with the TTS of your choice. 22.28.52 Quit Grahack ("Tu m'as vu ?") 22.30.13 Join Barahir [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f757f87.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.31.10 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 22.34.19 Join kramkram [0] (n=sai@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 22.34.57 Join shaggy-h [0] (n=kiwi@host-87-74-127-193.dslgb.com) 22.43.13 Part kramkram 22.46.09 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 22.47.57 # thanks domonoky 22.47.57 Nick kramer3d is now known as kramkram (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 22.48.00 # I could find 22.51.11 # so whats the story with 3.4? 22.51.49 # JdGordon1: that was released in september! 22.52.03 # ok, 3.5 then 22.55.14 Part pyro_maniac ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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