--- Log for 04.01.110 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 3 days ago 00.06.39 # Does anyone have an idea about http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24174;type=gigabeatsboot ? 00.10.23 # looks like a race in the build client to me 00.12.02 # gevaerts: I think we've seen this on other clients as well 00.14.08 # could be. I don't remember it though 00.14.35 # http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24166;type=archosplayer is a rather common one as well 00.15.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.20.10 # thats a weird error 00.20.21 # is it build system specific or just due to using make -j? 00.20.52 # I don't know 00.21.08 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 00.21.30 # it's not machine specific at least, I've seen it for lots of clients 00.23.38 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.23.59 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 00.26.26 Quit Barahir (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.28.33 Join Barahir [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f757c30.pool.mediaWays.net) 00.40.20 Join kugel__ [0] (n=kugel@e178102035.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.44.19 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m455736d0.tmodns.net) 00.47.56 # so, on eabi i think div and divmod library functions should just alias each other. on oldabi just wrap the divmod implementation and mov r0, r1 before returning, or go ahead and reuse the div/mod body and store the mod result in r0? also matters in terms of signed operations, as these can either wrap unsigned ones, with sign correction, or incorporate the unsigned divide body within themselves. 00.55.19 Quit JdGordon1 ("Leaving.") 00.55.20 Join JdGordon2 [0] (n=jonno@m355736d0.tmodns.net) 00.58.26 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.50 Join jae [0] (n=jae@HSI-KBW-091-089-249-155.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 01.07.54 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-226.net-89-2-112.rev.numericable.fr) 01.11.23 Join karim__ [0] (n=mirak@ip-226.net-89-2-112.rev.numericable.fr) 01.14.33 # Can I quietly assume that the rblib.py on the Wiki (at the bottom here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TagcacheDBFormat) is GPL-licensed? Or how do I contact the author... and before that, how do I find out who the author is? 01.16.21 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 01.17.25 # jae: wiki history should tell you who added that script.. dont know about the licence. 01.19.39 # i have updated my patch at fs#10775. if someone sees linuxstb or TheSeven please tell them... 01.22.05 Join sagemfreak [0] (n=sven@p54921F10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.23.31 # sagemfreak: hi 01.23.36 # hi 01.23.38 # sagemfreak: have you got the nand id? 01.23.47 # sagemfreak: btw i've updated my patch 01.23.58 # we have to wait till 11th i think 01.24.11 # then holyday is over 01.24.38 # and i will meet my colleague 01.26.26 # okay, thanks in advance 01.28.17 Quit grndslm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.47 Join grndslm [0] (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 01.28.59 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@e178102035.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.29.47 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=kugel@e178102035.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.31.21 Quit JdGordon2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.57 # kugel: ping 01.41.34 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 01.46.28 Quit kugel__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.55.08 Quit domonoky (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.55.17 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.00.35 Join GodEater [0] (n=bibble@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 02.07.44 Quit krazykit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.08.02 Join krazykit [0] (n=kkit@70.236.79.19) 02.13.22 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.14.08 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.15.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.18.55 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 02.24.30 Nick evilnick is now known as evilyick (i=457288ab@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 02.27.30 Join sagemfreak_ [0] (n=sven@p54922266.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.28.52 Quit GodEater (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.31.04 Quit sagemfreak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.34.12 Join GodEater [0] (n=bibble@bb-87-80-121-64.ukonline.co.uk) 02.38.20 Join flyback [0] (n=bleed@c-98-219-129-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 02.38.38 # no one has pulled off a cf with flex-ide interface to flash hack yet? 02.39.31 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.01 # sagemfreak_: pong 02.42.44 Nick evilyick is now known as evilnick (i=457288ab@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 02.45.05 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 02.50.07 Join TopyMobile [0] (n=topy@port-92-201-50-232.dynamic.qsc.de) 02.53.18 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 03.00.43 Quit sagemfreak_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.01.15 Quit efyx (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.13 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@69.216.116.162) 03.06.42 Join Phyber0ptik [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.15.02 Quit Phyber0ptik (Remote closed the connection) 03.17.54 Quit kugel ("exit(0);") 03.18.26 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=me@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.18.58 # amiconn: pong? 03.30.19 Quit TopyMobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.22 # * flyback bbl 03.36.17 Quit JdGordon| (Remote closed the connection) 03.38.47 Join bzed_ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.41.39 Quit bzed_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.41.53 Join bzed_ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.43.17 Quit karim__ ("Ex-Chat") 03.48.00 Join bzed__ [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.48.27 Quit pjm0616 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.52.20 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m455736d0.tmodns.net) 03.53.16 Quit bzed (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 03.53.17 Nick bzed__ is now known as bzed (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 03.53.32 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.56.59 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 04.08.16 Quit bzed_ (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 04.12.16 Join JdGordon2 [0] (n=jonno@rrcs-72-43-160-141.nyc.biz.rr.com) 04.15.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.15.20 Quit kramer3d (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.56 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.25.02 Join jho [0] (n=jh@unaffiliated/cene) 04.30.59 Nick linuxguy4 is now known as linuxguy3 (n=timj@adsl-76-203-23-66.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 04.35.03 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.44.42 Join SIGSEGV [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 04.46.47 Join jhonny5 [0] (n=jhonny5@f052135195.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.46.53 Nick jhonny5 is now known as Jhonny5 (n=jhonny5@f052135195.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.46.56 # Hi all 04.48.02 # it's johnny5 04.48.21 # * flyback beats Jhonny5 with a brautworst 04.49.23 # flyback, why ? 04.49.23 Join Barahir_ [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f756485.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.49.36 # nevermind :P 04.49.43 # :) 04.50.50 Quit Barahir (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.56.16 Quit JdGordon2 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.57.16 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Fwump") 05.03.02 Quit Strife89 ("Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.") 05.04.00 # I'm having some strange problems with the iPod Nano 2g port. For one, the "Building database" never finishes.. It stalls at "341 found", even when I only have around 30 tracks on the HDD right now. System -> Debug -> database info shows -1% completion 05.05.33 # The second problem I'm having is that I can't browse the files I have on the HD. When I press select or next at the file prompt, it just flashes some icon at the upper right corner of the screen (reading from HD?), and throws the selector at the top of the list 05.06.14 # If I manage to ascend into some directory by repeatedly mashing the select or next buttons, it throws me to the root when I try to change to any other directory inside that one 05.07.34 # And I can't mount the iPod on my computer without first booting into the Apple firmware 05.08.09 # With Rockbox running, all I get is [36751.879960] sdb: unknown partition table 05.08.26 # Does it work correctly using the OF? 05.08.53 # OF? Original firmware? Yeah, I can mount it when I boot into it 05.09.12 # Try doing a disk check on the OF 05.16.54 # No errors, and still doesn't work 05.17.23 Quit Jhonny5 (Remote closed the connection) 05.18.33 # USB HID? 05.19.03 # I've tried with both yes and no 05.19.59 # hmmmm....on win OS my 2g HATES HID set to yes 05.20.10 # With USB HID on, my dmesg gets flooded with stuff like "ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: detected XactErr len 0/8 retry 1" 05.20.24 # still unstable.... 05.20.28 # No idea what that really means though ;p 05.20.41 # is it just the USB stuff that's keep it listed as unstable? 05.20.44 # anyone know? 05.21.38 # what's the USB keypad mode set to? 05.21.55 # my 2g HATES it set to anything other that multimedia 05.21.59 # *than 05.22.16 # I've tried them all, too :) 05.22.49 # With multimedia mode I get a panic when unplugging, with the other two nothing really happens. Dmesg output still remain mostly same for all of them 05.23.36 # Actually. Now I just unplugged with multimedia mode without getting a panic... 05.23.47 # But I got it the first time I tried. Strange. 05.24.20 # well, all I know is that my win OS won't detect my 2g Nano with USB HID set to ON, and USB Keypad mode set to anything other than Multimedia 05.24.34 # but it's not a stable port yet, so I can't really cry about it 05.25.38 # My Linux box detects it with all modes, but can't mount it. 05.26.52 # jho: you might want to look at FS#10775 - this seems to help some nano2g filesystem problems 05.27.22 # have you tried it on a Win OS? 05.28.30 Join darkham [0] (n=darkham@host148-179-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 05.28.45 # hitoyouall 05.28.52 # mc2739: Thanks, that looks quite much what I'm experiencing too 05.32.25 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 05.42.36 Quit evilnick (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 05.44.41 # jho...if it works for you, could you send me an email? 05.44.53 # st.lascivious@slingshot.co.nz 05.46.26 # S_a_i_n_t: Sure. :) Though I guess I'll be staying here in IRC too 05.48.05 # well, if I'm still here (which I should be) don't worry, just gimme a bell :P 05.48.08 # thanks 05.50.26 Quit kaniini ("(@Syvere-Home) täytyy sanoo et noi applen tuotteet on niin ultimaalisen paskaa laatua et ihmetyttää kyl et miten ihmiset osta) 06.00.15 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.00.30 # jho: I was reading about that patch, and it seems like it's more orientated towards crashes and panics when writing to the NAND...would that affect an OS from detecting the DAP? 06.03.26 # S_a_i_n_t: I sure hope so. :p Actually, if I could just create the database and browse the file system that'd be all I need. I could boot into the Apple firmware to put stuff in there 06.03.38 Join kaniini [0] (n=kaniini6@dyn75-70.yok.fi) 06.04.25 # After unplugging I'm getting a panic and FTL errors though, so I'm having at least partly the same issues as in the bug too 06.05.49 # ahhhh... 06.06.27 # what size Nano is it? 06.06.33 # 1, 2, 4? 06.06.33 # 2 GB 06.07.17 # hmmm, I *occasionally* get a panic that results in a reboot and DFU mode...fuck knows whats causing that. 06.07.23 # doesn't sound like the same thing 06.07.38 # but mine is 2g too 06.07.48 # 2g AND 2G 06.09.26 # it panics (but I never get a chance to read anything other than PANIC), reboots, then displays an odd battery icon in the middle of the screen, that fades...then it beeps (REALLY loud) and when I reboot manually it's in DFU mode *sigh* 06.09.46 # Oh sweet. A panic. "nand_power_up:nand_reset:2" 06.09.52 # With the patch that is 06.10.14 # that's sweet? 06.10.21 # or was that sarcasm? 06.12.02 # have you ever heard of the panic, reboot, odd-icon beep, reboot to DFU thing I described? 06.12.11 # No 06.12.22 # I wouldn't know where to start looking to fix that up... 06.12.26 # Just an ordinary panic ;p 06.15.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.16.09 Quit niekie (Excess Flood) 06.16.09 # I almost had a fit when my iPod started beeping at me like that...I'd never heard it make such a loud noise before...or any noise other than a slight 'click' actually. 06.17.25 # i ONCE hat a situation similar to that on my mini 1g 06.18.09 # without that battery icon beep... and rebooting was to the diagnostic menu (which i first saw that day, not knowing how to get there again) 06.18.28 # but it was when i still was using apple os on that machine 06.18.44 # you may not of even noticed the batt icon thing...it fades VERY quickly 06.18.53 # and its not an icon I'm used to seeing 06.19.18 # the mini has a "your battery REALLY has drained" battery icon 06.19.26 # it had a tiny triangular 'yeild' type icon overtop of an empty battery cell 06.19.49 # which is basically a battery of twice the size of tokyo 06.20.02 # in the dead center of the screen, that faded REAL quick..then I had to reboot, and was in DFU mode 06.20.23 # ie: your iPod is Fucked...please use GayTunes to resore it. 06.20.52 # but i guess i am talking of a completely unrelated issue here... it just also had a very loud noise that annoyed me... and a lot of other people around 06.21.50 # it sounds similar....its stil iPod FW...so that really loud beep probably means the same thing... 06.22.04 # maybe 06.22.05 # whatever that is.... 06.22.09 # but still i am not able to reproduce 06.22.13 # my battery was FAR from empty 06.22.17 # because its another device :/ 06.22.18 # it was full in fact. 06.23.13 # i *thought* it may be a 'rapid discharge' feature...like some cellphones have...but I doubt that. 06.23.34 # i have to go to work now... ill be back in about 30 minutes 06.23.39 # Woah 06.23.50 # The database actually works and I can browse the FS with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10775?getfile=21108 06.24.16 # * jho dances 06.24.29 # hmmmm, I'd try it, by my problem sounds more and more different to yours as time goes on 06.24.41 # i could always browse the file system and use the DB 06.25.00 # Yeah, I think I had two issues :) 06.25.10 # The worse one was fixed with that one 06.25.49 # Woot, I can now mount it too 06.26.12 # so, it was one issue? 06.26.24 # * S_a_i_n_t is eating...bbs 06.26.30 # Seems like that 06.28.28 Part toffe82 06.28.56 # jho: could you add a comment to that task with your symptoms and results? 06.30.12 # Sure :) 06.30.19 # Can guests add comments or do I need to register? 06.30.35 # comments on....? 06.30.36 # no, you will need to register 06.30.46 # oh...yeah, register. 06.37.01 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.38.06 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r24175): Commit FS#10594 - Remove duplicated buttonlight code for Gigabeat F/X. 06.45.49 # no, you will need to register 06.52.38 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 07.13.48 Quit steve79 ("Leaving") 07.26.09 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 07.39.02 Quit BeFalou (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.53.29 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@143-88.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch) 07.58.00 # does anybody know why the 1st & 2nd Gen Nano SIM's are so wildly disproportionate? Not just in themselves, but from each other? the 2nd Gen is about 20% larger in the SIM..in real life, they're the same size. 08.04.37 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 08.15.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.18.42 Quit AndyIL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.44 Quit BHSPitMonkey (No route to host) 08.47.49 # S_a_i_n_t: in answer to your question, I would imagine it's because the background images are simply different sizes - the screensize on each looks the same to me. 08.49.49 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host51-165-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.49.59 Quit faemir ("Leaving") 08.57.44 Nick Barahir_ is now known as Barahir (n=jonathan@gssn-5f756485.pool.mediaWays.net) 08.59.53 # GodEater: I think in terms of bookmarks the problem mentioned more relates to simply the UI for accessing them 09.00.10 # To a lot of people bookmarks are like webpage bookmarks - they contain the information for both the file and the location. 09.00.29 # So they'd expect to see a listing somewhere of files that have bookmarks in them, and then after selecting the file, a list of times bookmarked. 09.00.35 # Something like the playlist catalogue but for bookmarks. 09.00.48 # probably so - I wanted to make a small UI improvement once, which was to keep the bookmark in the same directory as the files it relates to, instead of the parent directory 09.00.53 # So it's not really to do with the bookmark format but just how the existing ones are accessed. 09.00.54 # and I couldn't work out how to do it :( 09.01.14 # * Llorean thinks it might be nice if all the bookmarks were kept in one /.rockbox/bookmarks directory. 09.01.32 # But there'd probably be issues with duplicate filenames. 09.01.40 # not an entirely bad idea... 09.01.48 # but I've got used to where they are now 09.02.11 # Llorean: that was the other thing I thought about implementing too - but it's really not straightforward 09.02.28 # GodEater: Maybe if the format ever improves, then. 09.02.56 # do people expect them to *not* be in the files .dir? 09.02.57 # it got to the point where I thought that if I ever wanted those things in there, bookmarks might as well get re-written from scratch 09.03.37 # S_a_i_n_t: If you're used to bookmarking in almost any other software, there's a menu or menu entry named "bookmarks" that you simply select to see your bookmarks 09.03.46 Quit darkham (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.04.03 # what about, if a bmark is created, turn on recent bmark listing by default? 09.04.05 # Think IE, firefox, media player classic, VLC and others 09.04.35 # Recent bookmarks aren't too helpful if you create a lot of them, and it's a very awkward list since it's simply organized by time. Even with uniques only enabled, it's not what users are trained to expect by other software. 09.04.45 # It would alleviate the issue, but not resolve it. 09.05.05 # what about looking at how bmarks are named then 09.05.48 # If a user's expecting to find bookmarks in the menu somewhere, no amount of clever file naming is going to put the bookmark file in front of the user so they can spot it. 09.06.04 # good point 09.06.17 # it has to be idiot-proof to be effective 09.06.35 # and not get a bitchy comment in the forums 09.06.40 # Not necessarily idiot-proof 09.07.04 # But to be easy to figure out, it needs to be somewhat similar to the current expectation of bookmarks - that there's a list of them to be found in a menu choice. 09.07.15 # Almost everything I can think of off the top of my head does it that way. 09.08.07 # well, in that case....it doesn;t really matter where they're put, just how, and where they're listed. 09.08.23 # More or less, yes. 09.08.27 # eesh - that screenshot of how he wants the EQ to look is a waste of time 09.08.38 # there's very few targets with enough screen real estate to do it 09.08.39 # tell me about it 09.08.56 # it's kinda sad 'cos he must of gone to a lot of effort. 09.09.07 # GodEater: Wasn't rasher (I think) working on something like that? 09.09.13 # no idea 09.09.17 # I know somebody was. 09.09.24 # Maybe linuxstb. 09.09.35 # it won't fit on the same screen on most targets though 09.10.24 # would it be correct to say that *most* peoples 'problems' with rockbox stem from having prior expectations of what it *should* do? 09.10.28 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.10.36 # S_a_i_n_t: that's my belief 09.10.57 # a lot of people when they first install it say something along the lines of "my OF did X - why doesn't rockbox do X?" 09.11.00 # The expectations that come from the OF we're often unlikely to be able to fix. 09.11.01 # Hmmm.....some pppl (gui guy) are more passionate than others it seems 09.11.18 # The expectations that are more general things (like the bookmarking thing) probably make sense to improve since they'd bring some ease of use even to those of us who know how it works 09.11.42 # true 09.12.39 Quit rhodan (Remote closed the connection) 09.12.46 # but when people say "it should be easier to use", it'd be nice if they continued with "....by implementing X, or Y" 09.13.14 # which is the point we've kept trying to stress whenever someone says that 09.13.22 # That's what we usually say right up front when someone starts down that path - please name specific examples of how you'd improve it, rather than what you'd improve. 09.14.06 # I like the "why has noone ported to X Device yet...?" posts... 09.14.15 # always get an amusing answer. 09.14.55 # or the "rockbox broke my DAP" posts... 09.15.33 # you guys probably don't enjoy them quite so much... 09.15.58 # that's an understatement 09.16.14 # and probably one of many reasons why Llorean "retired" as forums admin 09.16.48 # and how he got to <10K posts... 09.16.55 # Nah. I retired because I was getting more complaints than I liked from the non-user side of the fence too. 09.17.37 # the L.L.O.R.E.A.N accronym in Golden Quotes is amusing. 09.17.54 # *most* of the stuff in GoldenQuotes is amusing ;) 09.18.20 Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.) 09.18.28 # cut&paste Pod Touch guy is my personal fav :D 09.18.33 Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 09.18.35 # *iPod 09.20.07 # I read the IRC log for that, and he got so pissed off in IRC I would of thought he'd of tried a little harder with the image 09.20.24 # "my ccamera's alittle buggy"...pfffft 09.20.53 # * S_a_i_n_t finishes ranting 09.34.02 # If I was going to put up a link to pre-built Dict description files on the Forum, where would I put it, Plugins or General Discussion? 09.35.32 # You wouldn't. 09.35.37 # Permanent links to stuff don't belong on the forums. 09.36.35 # it's not permanent...expires if it's not used in 30 days. 09.37.12 # is there a better place I could put it? or just no? 09.37.13 # Even then. 09.37.21 # The forums are for discussion, not posting links etc. 09.39.47 # What's the license on the files you'd like to share? 09.41.30 # they're just user generated dict descriptions, so currently, none. 09.42.27 # was there something specific about Wordnets license stopping them being included, or was it just because they're huge? 09.42.49 # * S_a_i_n_t thought it was the latter. 09.43.52 # Most likely the size, yes. 09.44.06 # It could be included in the "extras" download, or as its own extra. 09.44.20 # It has a specific license of its own, that must be included with any distribution of it. 09.46.13 # well, it doesn't include the Wordnet files themselves, just the output from wn2rdf 09.46.22 # does that count? 09.46.52 # It's a modified version of the original dictionary, right? Modified to be usable with the plugin? 09.47.36 # welyes? 09.47.50 # yes rather. 09.48.02 # You really should read licenses if you want to get involved with Rockbox in any way. They're important. 09.48.54 # The wordnet one says you have permission to create modified versions of their files, but sets out the terms under which you may do so and distribute them. 09.49.31 # * S_a_i_n_t will have a look at them now... 09.49.43 # and thanks. 10.13.52 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.15.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.20.20 Quit Res1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.23.16 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.69.156) 10.27.16 Join Res1 [0] (n=Res@user-0c6s6gs.cable.mindspring.com) 10.37.52 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de) 10.46.18 # JdGordon: Forget that ping. Problem is solved already; it existed way longer than what I thought first. 10.47.17 Join BeFalou [0] (n=mamutoi@unaffiliated/befalou) 10.58.31 Quit S_a_i_n_t ("S_a_i_n_t [St.]™ has left") 11.36.52 Quit DerPapst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.37.53 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de) 11.47.50 Quit ebtschi_work ("Leaving") 11.49.31 Quit stoffel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.51.01 # jho: please try the latest patch from fs#10775? (it shows more debug info) i really need to know why it fails for you 11.57.21 # Okay, gimme a sec :) 12.05.22 # liar: Okay, I added a comment on the tracker 12.07.09 # weird 12.07.56 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-142-12.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 12.09.04 # please comment out line 192 from firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/nand-nano2g.c 12.09.07 # and try it again 12.15.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.15.26 Join watto [0] (n=watto@193.203.81.165) 12.16.55 # liar: Then it panics on nand_wait_status_ready:2 12.17.05 Quit Tomis (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.17.20 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.69.156) 12.17.21 # (Sorry for the delay btw, I'm on my old laptop now and compiling is a pain) 12.18.41 # it seems like there is something wrong with bank 2 12.20.25 # try to add a sleep(HZ/20); before nand_wait_status_ready 12.22.30 # Still panicing 12.23.29 # very interessting 12.24.29 # I can't be sure if the hardware is fully functional though.. I bought this one just when the 2g models came out, so it's a bit aged ;p 12.24.48 # But I'd imagine that it'd be misfunctioning in some other way too if that was the case...? 12.26.59 # i need to talk with TheSeven.. but it seems like there is something wrong with your nand 12.27.14 # keep the sleep in nand_reset and comment nand_wait_status_ready 12.28.38 # jho: if that still panics there is something wrong with your nand(but would have seen other panics before if that was the case) 12.29.39 # Nope, doesn't panic now 12.30.07 # your NAND is even stranger than mine 12.30.45 # :D 12.31.00 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 12.31.30 Quit chaos ("pawel__") 12.31.32 # jho: i think you can reduce that sleep to sleep(0); 12.32.30 Join chaos [0] (n=chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 12.33.32 # liar: Yeah, seems to work with sleep(0) 12.37.13 Join AaronM [0] (n=Aaron@pdpc/supporter/student/aaronm) 12.40.06 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 12.40.19 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.40.30 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 12.43.26 Join B1er [0] (n=5477429e@giant.haxx.se) 12.45.10 # jho: in case TheSeven or linuxstb return someday it will propably added to svn 12.45.20 # be added* 12.45.30 # hey, i have a few questions: 1. I own a Archos 2, can i use rockbox with it ? (It isn't clear to me by checking the list) and 2. if i can't use it, are there alternatives ? 12.46.11 # B1er: There's a list of supported Archos devices at the front page of rockbox.org 12.46.29 # it isn't clear to me by checking the list, can i get a definite answer ? 12.46.41 # The answer depends highly on the model of your player 12.47.03 # i own a archos2 12.47.03 # Unfortunately I don't own a crystal ball, so I can't provide a definite answer with the information you've given us 12.47.40 # what has a crystall ball todo with a mp3 firmeware ? 12.48.03 # and what do you need for a definite answer ? 12.48.13 # Archos2 == Archos Recorder V2? 12.48.29 # I doubt it 12.49.28 # it just says archos 2. i don't think it's a recorder can you give me a picture ? 12.50.07 # Actually I was mistaken. There does exist a thing called Archos 2 12.50.11 # http://www.archos.com/products/mp3_players/archos_2/index.html?country=uy&lang=en 12.50.14 # B1er: Rockbox only runs on some older Archo models. The current build page has some small pictures 12.50.18 # Would your player be anything like that? 12.50.21 # eah exactly 12.50.29 # yeah exactly 12.50.35 # and i m very unhappy with the firmeware 12.51.10 # Unfortunately that model doesn't seem to be in the stable ports list. 12.51.18 # So no, you probably can't use Rockbox with it 12.51.46 # then no, and I don't know about other alternatives (and don't think anyone else around here will) 12.51.58 # hm... and another question i have: i can't seem to find files on the storage that point out to run the firmeware, is there a way to see those files ? 12.52.11 # (about the firmeware) 12.52.38 # firmware. only one e 12.53.11 # and that seems more of a question of an archos channel/forum. it is unrelated to rockbox 12.53.57 # yeah, but i m wondering how you did get the files ? so i thought you might know the solution for it 12.54.35 # i see 2. possibilities: 1 . archos gave it to you or 2. you extracted it somehow 12.55.13 # 3. a firmware update is available for download 12.55.20 # well, things might have changed in Archos firmwares since then 12.55.30 # (4) ;) 12.55.49 # okay, i get the point: you don't know about the newer versions :| okay, thanks for your help. 12.55.59 # good luck on your quest 12.56.07 Quit liar ("Verlassend") 12.56.54 Quit B1er ("CGI:IRC") 12.57.43 # hmm... wanted to tell him something still but 13.15.25 Join evilnick [0] (i=457288ab@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 13.38.18 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 13.38.47 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-065-190-068-030.nc.res.rr.com) 13.40.23 Quit jgarvey (Client Quit) 13.40.37 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-065-190-068-030.nc.res.rr.com) 13.50.16 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@113-155.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.02.54 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (i=S_a_i_n_@203.184.2.33) 14.04.02 # Has anyone noticed that scrolling lines on pictureflow are broken? (nano 2g, r24175) 14.04.28 # Chars tha hit the left side of the screen get stuck there. 14.05.39 # raise a bug? :) 14.06.02 # just wanted to check if it's just me first... 14.07.47 # does that make a difference? it shouldn't do it for anyone 14.08.31 # if you give me a minute to enable the database i'll try it too 14.10.07 # filename needs to be long enough to scroll off the left side 14.10.20 # why does enabling the database require a reboot anyway? 14.10.52 # sometimes it does, soemtimes it doesn;t 14.11.00 # it says it does 14.11.11 # The first one does 14.11.17 # but why 14.11.17 # havn't figuerd out the correlation between the two yet though 14.11.28 # i have your issue too, S_a_i_n_t 14.11.35 # letter stuck on the left side 14.11.38 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-212-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.11.43 # yeah, weird huh? 14.11.57 # well i was not too surprised after you just called it 14.12.04 # I thought it was all scrolling at first, but it's just pictureflow fom what I know 14.12.07 # would have been weirder at this point if it didn't happen for me 14.12.39 # no, not weird you have it too, weird it does it at all. 14.13.04 # enabling the database requires a reboot if there isn't a suitale buffer to uild the dataase in 14.13.17 # if you have dircache or various other things turned on then it steals the buffer from that to build it 14.13.28 # if it can't steal enough buffer space you have to reboot 14.13.30 # thanks torne 14.13.37 # appreciated, honestly 14.13.55 # my nano must have a puny buffer then. thanks for the info 14.14.12 # S_a_i_n_t: same pictureflow bug on my fuze 14.14.12 # no, it means you have a large audio buffer ;) 14.15.08 # I didn't think it was model specific, pictureflow is picturefolw isn;t it? 14.15.14 # seems all letters are drawn on top of eachother on the left side 14.15.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.15.38 # it is, but i figured screen size might play a part 14.15.52 # would anyone already registered on the tracker like to post the bug? 14.15.56 # * S_a_i_n_t isn't 14.16.06 # i can probably do that 14.16.36 # S_a_i_n_t: you should probably register on the tracker anyway, if you intend to hang around and tell us about bugs ;) 14.16.37 # I can *probably* do it too, just haven't registered on the tracker 14.16.55 # i have registered and am willing to post it for you, is what i meant 14.17.00 # yeah, will do 14.17.05 # then it's yours 14.17.06 # thanks 14.17.21 # * S_a_i_n_t takes the easy way out if he can most times :D 14.17.37 # *the LAZY way out 14.18.45 # whats a Jabber ID? 14.19.00 # if you don't know you don't have one 14.19.04 # or at least you don't want to enter one ;) 14.21.18 # task #10893 added S_a_i_n_t 14.21.47 # ...but, ...but? 14.22.01 # * S_a_i_n_t was halfway there :( 14.22.01 # you spent too long taking the easy way 14.22.48 # * S_a_i_n_t didn't realise it had to be done in lightspeed :D 14.30.03 Quit rhodan (Remote closed the connection) 14.36.47 Quit Torne ("brb") 14.40.24 Join Torne [0] (i=torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 14.42.21 # howcome the 'roadmap" on the tracker has ''next release'' and ''3.5''? 14.42.33 # won't the next release BE 3.5? 14.42.41 # next release is *always* the next release :) 14.42.45 # yes but not forever 14.42.59 # (at least i hope) 14.43.59 # the the 'next version' is 'next version <3.5'? 14.44.34 # *release rather 14.48.51 Join liar [0] (n=liar@83.175.83.185) 14.55.48 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@113-155.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch) 14.59.43 # Would anyone care to look at the latest patch on FS#10856 and offer comments? 15.02.34 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m355736d0.tmodns.net) 15.04.14 Quit funman ("free(random());") 15.12.25 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 15.21.02 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.23.36 Quit preglow (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.23.36 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.23.36 Quit ThomasAH (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.23.36 Quit rvvs89 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.23.36 Quit jvd (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.23.46 Join preglow [0] (i=thomj@129.241.210.199) 15.23.47 Join jvd_ [0] (n=syscrash@209.126.180.153) 15.23.47 Join rvvs89 [0] (n=ivo@130.95.13.109) 15.25.39 Join knine [0] (n=kaniini6@dyn75-70.yok.fi) 15.25.43 Quit HBK (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.25.54 Quit kaniini (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.26.33 Join evilnick_B [0] (i=0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.26.45 Join HBK [0] (n=hbk@rrcs-97-77-49-215.sw.biz.rr.com) 15.28.37 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.28.37 NJoin ThomasAH [0] (n=thomas@aktaia.intevation.org) 15.33.57 Nick kramer3d is now known as kramkram (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 15.44.10 Join faemir [0] (n=faemir@78.33.109.163) 15.46.44 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.56.20 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.06 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 16.05.07 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.06.23 Quit Lss (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.06.45 Join Lss [0] (n=Lss@cm23.omega219.maxonline.com.sg) 16.15.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.15.23 Quit hebz0rl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.16.53 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-067-199-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.20.45 Quit stoffel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.21.42 Join sinuc [0] (n=sinuc@unaffiliated/sinuc) 16.28.06 # hi folks, super project! however, can anyone give me a hint on how to get the time on the screen the whole time? is this theme dependent, a plugin or a simple setting i cant find? 16.30.49 # sinuc: it is theme dependant yes 16.31.25 # thank you 16.31.50 Quit mc2739 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.32.02 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 16.40.09 # would it be possible to get iPods to play Keyclicks with the built in speaker? 16.40.17 # like the OFW does? 16.41.09 # sure 16.41.19 # I guess we don't know how yet 16.41.35 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@12.169.218.14) 16.41.53 # There's a FS# for it 16.42.29 # 5111 16.42.46 # thanks 16.45.28 # 5111 is ancient 16.45.35 # whats the reason it never went in? 16.48.38 # there's a lot of bickering in the comments 16.48.48 # i think it's the disagreement over when we should actually make a noise 16.48.58 # rather than any problem with the actual driver for the piezo itself 16.49.31 # the default esperanto lang file is broken on ipod nano 1. generation, it doesnt show the special chars, instead you get a box 16.49.51 # sinuc: the language file is not broken, your font just doesn't contain the special chars 16.49.56 # pick a font that does 16.50.09 # ouch, thanks 16.50.27 # saratoga: it's related to that argument that spilled onto the -dev list about whether we hsould beep when you bump into the end of a scrolling list, and so on 16.50.27 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.50.29 # there's a LOT of bickering in the comments about it 16.51.24 # it was on my to-look-at list for a while 16.51.26 # the whole aps/ changes seem like a bad hack to me 16.51.35 # but in the end i decided i didn't care that much about the piezo because i normally have headphones on 16.51.47 # somoene should maybe pluck out the actual piezo driver and put it in 16.51.58 # IMO it should replace the existing sw keyclick feature on those ipods 16.52.20 # should it, though? 16.52.40 # you can't hear it with headphones on. problem for accessibility? 16.53.04 # * Torne shrugs and realyl doesn't care. It might be nice to have the driver, if nothing else because frotz wants to be able to beep :) 16.54.16 # I somehow doubt we added the sw keyclick as a accessibility feature, but I'm sure both could be co-exist using the same settings etc 16.54.46 # it seems fs5111 hacks into various places just so that it doesn't click in the wps 16.54.47 Quit markun (Remote closed the connection) 16.55.16 # * Torne disclaims any opinion about when the piezo should make a noise, but thinks the driver should be committed regardless :) 16.56.06 # I would eventually want to look it at if I happen to get rockbox running on the samsung yh-j70, it has a hw piezo too 16.56.29 Join markun [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 16.57.39 # * kugel questions the driver too 16.57.58 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.59.02 # missing some words in esperanto tho, nevermind love the project already, a pity tho i own this device for about 2 or 3 years and i find out about this project so much more later.. heh, have a good evening y'all. 17.01.14 # sinuc: if you know esperanto you could help updating the translation 17.01.35 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.01.43 # kugel: well, i mean if it's ok technically :) 17.03.26 # it seems to have a thread just to protect from being called concurrently, I'm sure a mutex is enough; but well 17.03.45 # not my business afterall, but I dislike the apps/ changes 17.05.24 # oh, maybe the thread is needed :) 17.06.45 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@m355736d0.tmodns.net) 17.07.13 Nick kramkram is now known as kramer3d (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 17.07.44 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 17.08.43 Quit Tomis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.09.25 Join Tomis [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.88.56) 17.20.55 Quit hebz0rl ("Ex-Chat") 17.26.15 # guess I sould've mentioned it was for nano 2g 17.26.28 # that patch doesn;t seem to accomodate the 2g 17.27.12 # nano2g probably needs a separate driver since I don't believe the hardware mapping is going to be the same 17.28.14 # bugger... 17.28.29 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 17.30.33 # I think it should be possible to disassemble 17.30.45 # or, reverse engineer by disassembling 17.31.56 # S_a_i_n_t: when you say ipods generally people will assume you mean the portalplayer-based ones since there are way more of them and they've been supported a lot longer :) 17.38.33 Nick jvd_ is now known as jvd (n=syscrash@209.126.180.153) 17.39.36 Quit kramer3d ("Leaving") 17.41.28 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@g226201081.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.42.57 Join maruk [0] (n=papier@titanium.sdv.fr) 17.48.02 Join rhodan_ [0] (n=quassel@178-220.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) 17.51.34 # * seani just read JDGordon's "achievements" response in the forum. What a great post. 17.53.28 Quit stooo ("Leaving.") 17.54.21 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.55.43 Quit rhodan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.01.05 Quit petur ("work->home") 18.01.27 # S_a_i_n_t: you said you have problems with your nano 2g and rockbox earlier this day. can you give me a description of what is wrong with it? 18.03.30 # well, it's only happened about 3 times total, but here goes: Panic, weird battery icon in the middle of the screen (of icon maybe?)+VERY loud beeping noise, screen fades to blank, needs hard reset, resets to DFU mode. 18.04.09 # do you remember what the panic message said? 18.04.46 # too quick to catch it, flashes REAL quick. 18.05.39 # icon displayed (whilst fading and LOUD_ASS beeping) looks like a 'yeild' symbol overtop of an empty battery cell? 18.05.50 # but battery is full, or not empty rather 18.06.15 # what where you doing until that happened? 18.06.26 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@69.216.116.162) 18.06.40 # twice just listening to music 18.06.52 # once was just turning it on from a new install 18.07.31 # I never even knew a nano could make any other noise than click before than 18.07.37 # scared the hell outta me 18.07.41 # it was LOUD 18.07.57 # irritated the hell outta everyone on the bus 18.09.31 # liar: I also get battery icon when the ftl get corrupted. So the problem, is the FTL panic. 18.10.11 # was it a constant weee noise? 18.10.40 # high pitched..irritating as hell 18.10.46 # faded with the screen 18.12.32 # do you think you have an idea what it may be liar? 18.12.36 # maruk: i think we talked already about your panics - have you tried my patch since then? and does that still happen with my patch? 18.13.14 # let me check the lastest patch tonight (GMT+1). 18.15.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.16.38 # S_a_i_n_t: i dont know where the noise is comming from. but the panic might come from the nand driver as the rockbox version still contains some bugs 18.17.40 # I've looked at the NAND patch, but it doesn't seem consistent with my problem 18.18.33 # is statusbar display buggy when lcd is flipped ? I can't test it on the simulator 18.18.39 # weird icon+screen fade+beep, hard reset "your iPod is fuked, please use gaytunes to restore it' screen. 18.19.11 # S_a_i_n_t: that use itunes to restore might be because of the bug in the nand driver 18.19.43 # mine produces noise constantly. but its not that loud as you describe it(i only hear it if i hold my nano to my ears) the OF prouces this noise too 18.19.43 # beep+fading never (or hardky) before seen icon? 18.19.59 # battery empty image 18.20.00 # ? 18.20.15 # that's what I thought it could be 18.20.22 # a rapid discharge feature 18.20.23 # maruk: do these ftl panics happen frequent? 18.20.28 Quit kugel ("exit(0);") 18.20.44 # but my battery has been full, or at least half each time 18.20.56 # S_a_i_n_t: yeah i've seen that too 18.21.07 # my battery was full too 18.21.08 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.21.34 # as far as the volume, maybe your piezo is damaged? 18.21.40 # as mine is REAL loud 18.22.02 # first time it happened I was in a totally different room, and it made me come running 18.22.21 # I thought it was a fire alarm or something 18.23.13 # thats really loud. i think my patch would be worth a try 18.23.35 # is yours the NAND driver one? 18.23.48 # could you post a link so I don;t have to search again? 18.23.50 # please. 18.24.01 # liar: no. I would said once a week. 18.24.04 # status bar display in flipped mode works fine on Clip but it's 1bit display, not 16 bits like the fuze 18.24.18 # not sure if there is a difference though 18.24.26 # S_a_i_n_t: fs#10775 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10775) 18.24.55 # re: the volume, I *honestly* had no idea such a small thing could make such a loud noise, it reminded me of a 'rape alarm' 18.25.05 # and thnx 18.25.25 # liar: once every 30h of usage (I guess it is more useful info). 18.26.04 # maruk: do they happen while powering off? 18.26.22 # or if a programm writes to the flash? 18.26.42 # liar: while powering off. 18.27.40 # then i am pretty sure my patch can help 18.28.02 # liar: so I will try. 18.28.44 # and please tell me if it works, or still fails 18.29.02 # regarding your patch liar, is it important to note that I've NEVER had file system errors? I can always view database and files fine on my 2g 18.29.11 # unless USB HID is ON 18.29.20 # and then it won't even mount 18.30.29 # S_a_i_n_t: you see panic mount: 0 or something like that if you disconnect it afterwards? 18.30.37 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.30.46 # no 18.31.15 # used to get a panic with DIRCACHE enabled, but thay fixed that 18.31.36 # can you have a look at the disk with a hex editor? 18.32.14 # not with USB HID on, no 18.32.35 # it HAS to be set to off on my system for some reason. 18.33.42 # S_a_i_n_t: can you mount it if it is set off? 18.33.50 # yep 18.34.10 # so, it's not really a problem, just weird 18.34.15 # thats the usb bug 18.34.24 # the one i have 18.34.41 # S_a_i_n_t: which OS is that? 18.35.03 # same thing used to happen on my 1g nano with USB Keypad Mode set to anything other than Multimedia 18.35.17 # Win OS 18.35.35 # XP Pro, and Home, and Win ME 18.35.37 # * GodEater thinks it's an OS bug 18.36.02 # pre/post OS format :( 18.36.07 # GodEater: but everyone knows all standards are defined as "whatever works with Windows" 18.36.10 # see ACPI 18.36.12 # yes, a bug 18.36.18 # i.e. reinstalling it won't help 18.36.18 # :) 18.36.19 # I don't have any problems with Rockbox USB and my c200 on a Win XP 18.36.21 # Torne: ;) 18.36.39 # pixelma: bah - different language of Windows though ;) 18.37.03 # of course 18.37.24 # so S_a_i_n_t just needs to change his language settings to German and he'll be fine 18.37.28 # :D 18.37.36 # I did have a problem with HID on MacOS 10.4 though and that was an OS bug... ;) 18.37.50 # it still is 18.38.46 # if it's OS bug, then souldn't it do the same for my 1g nano too? 18.39.05 # S_a_i_n_t: its a bug in the usb driver.. 18.39.13 # i might have a look at it this night 18.39.28 # GodEater seems to disagree 18.39.56 # S_a_i_n_t: All the players look a bit different over USB :) 18.40.01 # well if turning off USB HID fixes it, then the problem is in how your OS is handling the device is it not? 18.40.33 # or how the device defines USB HID? 18.40.36 # S_a_i_n_t: the configuratoin descriptor we hand back to the OS is not the same on different devices regardless of HID, so depending what the bug actually is almost any combinatoin of cockups is possible 18.40.41 # GodEater: there is a bug(or something like thousands) in the nano2g usb driver 18.41.23 # * GodEater wonders if he can get away with playing with Mrs GodEater's Nano 2G to see if he can reproduce on linux 18.41.36 # GodEater: has anyone had it happen on linux? 18.41.42 Join tomers [0] (n=86bfe844@giant.haxx.se) 18.41.49 # * S_a_i_n_t takes a step back and lets the devs battle it out 18.41.54 # http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ROCKBOX/search - that's so cool :-) 18.41.54 # i would've hoped that we had read the spec and that linux has read the spec and thus we could agree ;) 18.41.57 # Torne: I've no idea 18.41.58 # i am running linux and i see the bug ... 18.42.03 # that's why I was going to check 18.42.34 # liar: when you say "the" bug you know you might not be talking abou the same one right? :) 18.42.53 # there is undoubtedly more than one problem in this area :) 18.43.15 # personally, I think it's two (or more) different bugs... 18.43.17 # the Mac OS X thing was *definately* an OS bug, not ours, and affected all players iirc 18.43.27 # GodEater: the nano2gs behave very different. some freeze, some show stkovs if the usb cable gets connected 18.43.52 # * GodEater can't find the 2g anyway 18.43.55 # wait, when you say it doesn't mount you mean the player itself crashes? 18.43.59 # will have to wait till she gets home 18.44.00 # not just the host can't find it? 18.44.44 # ah, that's mixing two different problems I have 18.45.02 # Torne: for me the player totally locks up 18.45.09 # not even interupts are triggered 18.45.37 # fun :) 18.46.09 # * Torne bows out of this one anyway, not having a nano 2g, or knowing a huge amount about usb, or ever having had this problem in any form on anything :) 18.46.13 # my USB HID thing, DAP won't mount...my crash DFU mode thing is another story altogether 18.47.13 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@ALyon-551-1-5-153.w92-137.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.47.14 # S_a_i_n_t: the crash and the use itunes to restore will be fixed with my patch 18.47.17 # i am pretty sure 18.47.48 Join balug_ [0] (n=dvg@HSI-KBW-095-208-155-207.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 18.49.05 # I'd like to think so, it's just the 'seemingly unrelated MEGABEEP thing' that makes me doubt that it will... 18.49.10 # but worth a try 18.49.43 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-2-101.mcn.bellsouth.net) 18.49.52 # it doesn't happen to me nearly as frequently as you've described. 18.49.57 # only 3 times ever 18.50.06 # S_a_i_n_t: the panic,.. the battery empty image,.. the use itunes to restore.. thats very suspicious 18.50.33 # evr is the entirity of the 2g ports duration. 18.50.53 # suspicious of? 18.51.13 Quit tomers ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.51.50 # I'd *LOVE* to know what is is exactly, even if it's fixed and won;t ever happen again, I'd still like to know what it *was* 18.52.01 # suspicious, that it is the NAND bug 18.52.31 # have you ever had to restore from your bug? 18.52.47 # 'cos mine is everytime, not just occasional 18.53.04 # well, each of the 3 times 18.53.04 # i had use itunes to restores after every panic 18.53.10 # and the battery image 18.53.23 # but no beeping? 18.53.30 # weird... 18.53.35 # no beeping 18.53.46 # sounds the same except fot the beep, it's BLOODY loud 18.53.51 # you wouldn;t miss it 18.55.32 # can a dc dc converter make such loud noise? 18.56.17 # dc dc convertor? 18.56.51 # S_a_i_n_t: that was a question to everyone who might know the answer ;) 18.57.24 # * S_a_i_n_t was just wondering what one was... 18.57.43 Quit maruk ("Leaving.") 18.59.43 # S_a_i_n_t: a dc dc converter converts a voltage level to another level. your player needs many different voltages at different places 19.02.31 # liar:thanks. 19.02.43 # some of them make noise 19.02.51 # some of them make loud noise 19.02.54 # :) 19.05.28 # this noise is definitely made by the OFW I'd say, it's irritating for a purpose, not by coincidence IMHO 19.05.53 # mc2739: why do you need to check screen orientation in window code for e200v2, isn't that done automatically by the controller ? 19.06.10 # on fuze I didn't modify lcd_window_*() and I see (almost) proper flipping 19.09.32 # S_a_i_n_t: i really suspect it's a side effect of the nand driver bug 19.11.22 # well, when my GF gets home, and I compile and reinstall, we'll know (or way may not, as the occasional nature of the bug means it may indeed NEVER happen again) 19.12.07 # *even without the patch it hasn't happen in 2 weeks + 19.13.07 # before than there was 2 months or so between crashes 19.15.29 Join CaptainKewll [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bxbbcfgpeaosnqxz) 19.16.22 Join b1uebrother [0] (n=dom@f053153037.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.26.55 Join tchan1 [0] (n=tchan@c-67-173-9-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.28.00 Quit tchan1 (Remote closed the connection) 19.29.11 Join tchan1 [0] (n=tchan@c-67-173-9-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.30.47 Quit tchan (Nick collision from services.) 19.30.50 Quit balug_ ("Ex-Chat") 19.30.52 Nick tchan1 is now known as tchan (n=tchan@c-67-173-9-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.40.21 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 19.41.02 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 19.43.55 # hm i'm a bit lost, why is lcd_window_blit() the reverse of lcd_window() wrt the display being flipped ? 19.44.05 # (still on e200v2) 19.44.24 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 19.44.25 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.44.42 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.44.46 # lcd_window_blit() might gain from being splitted into x / y functions : x doesn't change in the loop 19.45.07 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.45.07 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.45.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.48.29 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev") 19.52.20 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.56.17 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 19.57.14 Join bimbel [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 19.57.51 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-21-143.unitymediagroup.de) 20.02.10 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (n=ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 20.03.12 Join stripwax_ [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.09.21 Join merbanan [0] (n=banan@c-83-233-52-241.cust.bredband2.com) 20.09.38 Quit stripwax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.09.55 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.10.37 Quit stripwax_ ("http://miranda-im.org") 20.13.53 Quit bmbl (Connection timed out) 20.15.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.16.35 Quit StealthyXIIGer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.09 # b1uebrother: do we plan a rbutil release somewhere near the upcomming rockbox release ? 20.20.55 # if so, we should plan todo the naming change on the themepage shortly before/after that :-) 20.21.39 # domonoky: haven't thought about that in detail yet. But we definitely need to asjust the theme site :) 20.22.46 # I'd really like to get that strings change things out of the way asap, then hopefully get some testers in the forums. Just in case some other breakage by the naming change has still been missed 20.22.56 # the problem is, that its difficult to support both namings. so i only want todo it when the new rbutil release is ready, to not break the current rbutil. 20.23.09 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r24176): Make strings better translatable by allowing to change the position of the dynamic part. 20.24.28 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r24177): An ellipsis is always exactly three dots, not two. 20.25.08 # domonoky: did you notice discussion about r24174 yesterday ? 20.25.13 # domonoky: it definitely might be good to push a rbutil release the same time we release 3.5. 20.25.38 # funman: no.. *goes to check the log* 20.25.57 # I've posted about this issue to the ML a bit ago 20.26.25 # btw I understand from discussion with JdGordon that 3.5 isn't going to happen anytime soon 20.26.36 # and we should try to get translations updated before the next release 20.26.54 # funman: oh? Any major blockers or what did I miss? 20.27.24 Join kadoban [0] (n=mud@cpe-24-93-17-195.rochester.res.rr.com) 20.27.28 # I'd like to know as well 20.28.11 # ah, ok. I have to admit that I wasn't following closely the last days :) 20.28.47 # * domonoky doesnt know any major blocks.. we should just do the release :-) delaying indefinitly is certanly not what we want. 20.29.08 # quoting B4gder : 20.29.11 # > 2 - because several pretty largish changes have recently been committed that 20.29.11 # > I think will appreciate getting slightly longer time to settle before we can 20.29.12 # > consider them release-worthy. 20.29.34 # well, quoting JdGordon himself quoting B4gder 20.30.27 # hmm, so basically what went through the ML? Rather vague. 20.31.07 # * domonoky still wonders what this big changes are, nobody said something concrete. 20.33.51 # funman: you meant the discussion about fullstops ? (i dont really care about such details, as long as it works, and i can read the text :-) ) 20.34.00 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.34.28 # ah perhaps it's unrelated to your mail, just so you knew about it 20.35.11 # domonoky: right it's rather vague, perhaps we do not want to incorrectly interpret words of our benevolent dictator Daniel ! 20.35.33 # did somebody already start with a release checklist (for users to note what was tested in rc builds), like was discussed ? 20.35.59 # no 20.36.15 # in a way 20.36.23 # domonoky: well, changing such details means that all translations need to get updated. Plus, if one wants to get it consistent it should be done properly. Otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose of the claim. 20.37.08 # domonoky: Zagor started on a web/database thing, and we did a tiny bit of thinking about what the checklist should include 20.37.53 # gevaerts: nice. such a web/database thing could also be nice for rbutil testing :-) 20.37.54 Quit saratoga ("Page closed") 20.40.00 # b1uebrother: true about the translation (although the string isnt lost, its just marked as unconfirmed), and the commit message could have been better. But i still dont really care, instead i am happy others also hack at rbutil. :-) 20.43.31 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180066230.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.43.59 # domonoky: well, I do care about details :) Especially if a change is (IMO) to the worse. 20.44.03 # ah, Sansa E200v2 seems to be quite advanced now 20.44.14 # currently installing, thanks a lot! 20.44.16 # but btw: how should we handle abandoned translations? 20.45.01 # like the turkish and chinese translation: those have less than 50% of all strings translated and haven't been updated for quite a while. 20.45.22 # does it make sense to keep them in the release? 20.46.43 # i am not sure. we surely want to keep them in svn, but could exclude them from release. 20.47.38 # gevaerts: is that checklist somewhere? 20.48.20 # yes, that was my idea too. As in remove all translations that have less then 50% strings translated from the translation resource before a release. 20.49.15 # b1uebrother: sounds good. 20.49.39 # funman: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhd2nzjv_1gtp58fx3 20.51.10 # do we wait for this beta testing platform to be ready before 3.5 ? 20.51.27 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.52.08 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (i=S_a_i_n_@203.184.1.171) 20.52.18 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@219-8.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.56.46 Part watto 20.58.58 Quit rhodan_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.00.02 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 21.01.03 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8E84E.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.03.52 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=me@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.05.12 # if a viewports width and lcd width is known, is it possible to get the original x if it was aligned left or right without knowing which side it was aligned to? 21.10.18 # assuming we know it should aligned right for rtl langs 21.14.49 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 21.16.03 # as much ad I think they are redundant, I have a way to fix all viewport colours from settings without needing to reload anything 21.18.27 # it gets a bit weird if both a sbs and ui vp setting are there though... if both use the setting for colours its no problem 21.18.42 # if neither do which colours get used? 21.19.24 # even if only one uses the setting, should that still be used? 21.19.51 Quit JdGordon| () 21.20.58 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 21.21.52 # kugel: if i remove lcd_write_reg(0x48, ymin); from lcd_window_y() windowing is still correct 21.22.13 # JdGordon: the ui vp should take precedence.. 21.22.41 # funman: possibly, the of does that 21.23.00 # how do you test if it's corrent? 21.24.23 # does anyone besides slasheri know how tagcache gets metadata from files? Does it have to load the sound codecs to do it? 21.25.00 # kugel: just seeing the lcd displays correctly 21.25.04 # GodEater: it calls the parser for that filetype, all parsers are built-in currently 21.25.24 # has anyone had a look at taglib at all? 21.25.32 # and whether it might be worth porting? 21.25.43 # funman: that doesn't seem like a very good test 21.25.53 # what would be a good test ? 21.27.44 # GodEater: it's C++ apparently 21.29.00 # and we support a lot more formats 21.29.06 # right 21.29.30 # after having realised that, I wondered if we should do the opposite, and take our parsers and turn them into a lib 21.29.35 # maybe someone would find it useful :) 21.29.36 # so, I doubt it's worth it :) 21.29.45 # no, it's definitely not for us 21.29.57 # I'm just chatting with the MediaTomb guys 21.30.09 # New commit by 03Domonoky (r24178): allow to browse all themes regardless of target. 21.36.59 # New commit by 03Domonoky (r24179): fix smarty error. 21.37.08 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.38.47 Join Zagor [242] (n=bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 21.39.46 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (i=S_a_i_n_@203.184.3.114) 21.42.26 # * domonoky looks at the download counters in the themepage, and wonders if the can be right.. over 1k downloads for certain themes ? 21.45.07 Join Utchybann [0] (n=lolo@ede67-1-81-56-102-26.fbx.proxad.net) 21.52.58 Nick bimbel is now known as bmbl (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 21.58.14 # Zagor: have you seen http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24174;type=gigabeatsboot and http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=24178;type=sansafuze ? 21.58.28 # pin liar 21.59.36 # domonoky: We do have a lot of users 22.00.03 # Zagor: also, I still get "Fatal build error: Missing log file. You have been temporarily disabled" every now and then, seemingly without recovering 22.00.12 # Llorean: looks like it :-) 22.00.15 # Utchybann: pon 22.00.28 # gevaerts: :-( 22.00.34 # what theme & platform has the highest dl ratio? 22.01.32 # liar: I tried you latest patch on my nano2g and no panic on boot. 22.02.37 # seems that patch has been helpful for a number of people now. 22.02.39 # Utchybann: okay nice to hear. if you still get a ftl panic please tell me 22.03.34 # liar: I've decided it's not worth me installing the patch tho, as I can't reliably reproduce the error. 22.03.38 # Zagor: what's weird is that both of those failures show a totally different number of errors and warnings 22.03.43 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-205-209.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.04.16 # liar: sure. I switch to this nano2g as I have 2 nano2g with 2 different nand chip. I only get panic on shutdown with one nano. 22.04.23 # New commit by 03Domonoky (r24180): allow to view all themes also for admins. 22.05.04 # * liar spotted where the nano 2g usb driver freezes(if the cable is connected during boot) 22.05.50 # liar: I'm writing a new entry in debug menu to dump nand info. This could help when people report problem to see if this affect only some nand chip. 22.06.11 # S_a_i_n_t: if you look at the number of themes, e200/e200v2 surely win.. :-) 22.06.23 # Utchybann: thats a good idea 22.07.05 # S_a_i_n_t: but the top x downloaded themes, are all ipod video sized. 22.08.28 # liar: I also think that we could update the nano2g wiki about clickwheel which is 100% functional for me and include wheel accel. 22.08.31 Join stripwax [0] (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.09.15 # Utchybann: i think i dont have permission to do that 22.09.45 # liar: why not? 22.10.13 # GodEater: i thought i need to be registered to do that 22.10.26 # liar: I can do it. 22.10.31 # you do, but it takes about 10 seconds ;) 22.10.41 # you register, tell us your name, we give you permissions 22.10.49 # GodEater: i let Utchybann do the work :P 22.10.57 # fair enough 22.11.04 # :) 22.11.26 Quit froggyman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.50 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-205-209.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.13.34 Join Tomis2 [0] (n=Tomis@70.134.73.92) 22.14.05 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (n=cold@p54A5CD83.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.15.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.16.17 # * liar thinks he has found another nano2g usb bug 22.16.28 # kugel: turns out the register setting in lcd_window_y() needed after all 22.16.29 # is* 22.18.22 # and how did you test that now? (I have no idea how to test this, except for a extra plugin drawing colored boxes maybe) 22.19.37 # liar: are you under linux or windows or osx ? 22.19.54 # Utchybann: linux 22.20.43 # liar: do tell about the nano 2g bug 22.21.34 # liar: ok. I'm under linux too but didn't have problem with nano2g usb. I have thought that it could be related to windows or osx... 22.22.19 # S_a_i_n_t: while (GRSTCTL & 1); in usb_reset locks up if the cable is connected during boot. cant tell you more as i dont know much about usb 22.23.26 # * liar needs a s3c6400 datasheet 22.23.59 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 22.25.33 # liar: if I remember theseven have several datasheet. 22.26.01 Quit Tomis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.26.01 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (n=Tomis@70.134.73.92) 22.26.07 # TheSeven hasnt been here for a while 22.30.54 # 8 days according to /msg logbot seen TheSeven 22.31.17 # kugel: output was garbled in mpegplayer, and on startup 22.33.17 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.34.49 # hah usb is working 22.35.29 # New commit by 03funman (r24181): Sansa Fuze: LCD ... 22.35.33 # New commit by 03funman (r24182): Sansa e200v2: LCD ... 22.36.03 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@12.169.218.14) 22.36.04 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (n=LambdaCa@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 22.36.21 # the battery level of my e200v2 went down pretty fast while playinh 22.36.31 # well, doing a full charge now, and then I'll see 22.36.45 # tessarakt: yes, rockbox is less power efficient than the OF 22.36.58 # :-( 22.40.47 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.52.31 # on that model 22.52.52 # * GodEater thinks we should stress that it's the goal of rockbox to exceed the original firmware's battery life 22.53.43 # does rockbox outperforms OF on some targets ? 22.53.49 # on several 22.54.08 Quit TheSphinX^ ("XChat@Linux") 22.56.01 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@85-171-108-41.rev.numericable.fr) 22.56.24 # pretty much all of the "stable" targets isn't it? 22.56.55 # hm, yes that might be right 22.59.41 # GodEater: good 23.00.27 Join baptiste [0] (n=chatzill@vir91-12-78-231-137-156.fbx.proxad.net) 23.03.14 # is here anybody who is familiar with the s3c6400? 23.03.51 # s3c6400x* 23.03.52 Quit baptiste (Client Quit) 23.03.53 # what is this ? ;) 23.04.54 # pamaury: an usb chip or something ;) 23.05.19 Join baptiste [0] (n=chatzill@vir91-12-78-231-137-156.fbx.proxad.net) 23.05.56 Quit stripwax ("http://miranda-im.org") 23.06.56 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.09.17 # ah - it is a RISC but the nano2g seems to use its usb interface(altough the nano2g has a differen cpu) 23.09.27 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited") 23.10.08 # liar: s3c64xx is a samsung soc 23.10.16 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 23.11.03 # the linux kernel has code for it, and there are comercial devices that run linux on it, so you might want to have a look there if you think it's similar enough 23.13.03 Quit evilnick_B ("Page closed") 23.14.15 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.17.04 # New commit by 03Domonoky (r24183): Allow users to report themes to the admins for review. 23.19.17 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.21.28 # domonoky: How and who is alerted? 23.22.18 # AlexP: at the moment noone :-) but you can see the reported ones in the admin interface. (they are also not hidden, thats left to the admin to decide). 23.22.28 # funman: if you can make a sense of those R_GAMMA_* you could try implementing lcd contrast 23.22.42 # domonoky: nice, that's the best type of reporting :) 23.22.56 # I have had a very short try, but it was just trial and error 23.25.08 # kugel: do you have the hd66789r datasheet ? 23.25.21 # no 23.25.31 # just google for it, it's on rockbox website 23.25.37 # 2nd or 3rd result 23.25.53 Quit pamaury ("exit(*(int *)0 / 0);") 23.25.57 # the registers are described page 64, although i can't make a sense of this description :) 23.25.58 # ah yea, I was about to say it's on the wiki 23.27.38 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("Leaving") 23.29.05 # New commit by 03Domonoky (r24184): fix theme selection in admin view. 23.30.44 # AlexP: do you think someone should get noticed (email) with this button ? 23.31.39 # domonoky: I'm not sure it is terribly useful otherwise - I never look at the admin interface unless someone asks me to. 23.32.52 # and who ? theme author (should be a easy change) or admins ? 23.33.07 # What is the intention of the button? 23.33.39 # report bad/broken/illegal themes to us, so we can review them. 23.34.12 # I think it should e-mail those that volunteer in that case 23.34.22 # Otherwise nobody will notice :) 23.34.34 # :-) 23.34.48 # those that volunteer = admins that volunteer :) 23.35.24 # there are no admin email there at moment, but i could build something so admins can enter them and get spammed :-) 23.36.40 # :) 23.36.54 # maybe something flashy on the front page that indicates a job for an admin? 23.37.22 # I think that'd just distract everyone else 23.37.24 # kugel: thats also a nice idea.. 23.37.37 # depends how it is done 23.38.04 # just display a little graphic on the front page "admin work needed" on certain conditions. 23.39.22 # if someone makes a nice graphic, i could easily do the rest :-) 23.48.24 # so is someone here, who could make a nice "admin work needed" graphic ? or else i have todo it my self with paint *shudder* 23.49.30 # as if we needed a graphic ;) 23.50.57 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.52.13 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@12.169.218.14) 23.52.45 Quit petur (Remote closed the connection) 23.54.54 # if noone has something better, i will use something like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/u3EYLjx.html in the right top edge. :-) 23.56.19 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving") 23.56.37 Quit baptiste ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060308]") 23.56.56 # or is emailing to all volunteering admins better ? 23.57.50 # perhaps admins could just get a "list of pending remarks" when they are on the site?