--- Log for 08.01.110 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 7 days ago 00.01.01 # never :) 00.01.06 # try a second d 00.01.27 # !seen blue_Dude 00.01.31 # this isn't working 00.03.35 # /msg logbot seen blue_dude 00.11.27 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.12.52 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.22.44 Quit Barahir (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.24.37 Join Barahir [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f7564a2.pool.mediaWays.net) 00.27.49 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 00.30.05 Quit toffe82 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.28 Join Strife1989 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-14-175.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.41.18 Quit captainkewllllll ("Page closed") 00.51.32 Quit Strife89 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.53.33 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! 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That is expected behaviour. 08.48.05 Join flydutch [0] (n=flydutch@host51-165-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 09.11.53 # New commit by 03funman (r24199): Clivp2: Fix typo when applying FS#10047 ... 09.19.45 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.21.26 Quit CaptainKewl (Remote closed the connection) 09.24.08 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.25.48 Quit r4v5 (Remote closed the connection) 09.26.15 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.28.39 Join drache [0] (n=8d530c82@giant.haxx.se) 09.29.08 Quit drache (Client Quit) 09.29.33 Join tfx [0] (n=8d530c82@giant.haxx.se) 09.29.41 # good morning at all 09.30.14 # I need some technical / detailed help with the rockbox autmatic installer 09.30.53 # and report some bugs here, which I can't solve 09.36.05 # I've read already all the manuals, documents, faqs and open bugs trackers 09.36.53 # bug reports should go to the bug tracker. what problem are you having with the installer? 09.37.26 # i'm using the iriver H10 6GB UMS mp3 player and want to install rockbox with the autmatic installer 09.37.51 # but the automatic installer will not install the bootloader, so I don't know which file I need to use rockbox correctly 09.38.28 # and even the links to the manuals (pdf, html and downloads) result in "404 file not found" error messages 09.39.12 # the manuals itself only explain the use of the 20 gb players but not the 5 / 6 gb ones 09.39.31 # the 5/6GB have their own manual 09.39.39 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh10/rockbox-build.html 09.40.00 # or maybe not. both entries link to the same url :/ 09.40.01 # but the healine said : The Rockbox Manual for Iriver H10 20GB 09.40.06 # yes indeed 09.40.48 # what exactly happens when you try to use the installer? 09.41.11 # it installs all the rockbox files, fonts, themes, 09.41.18 # whern i want to install the bootloader 09.41.29 # it renames the original firmware 09.41.37 Quit Spaceghost ("güit") 09.41.53 # but will not download or copy the bootloader to my mp3 player 09.42.31 # instead the install overwiew said all is done correctly there is no h10.mi4 09.42.40 # we appear to have some bootloaders for iriver besides the one linked in the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ 09.42.43 # inside the system directory listed 09.43.08 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10.mi4 09.43.24 # unfortunately i don't have an iriver myself :/ 09.43.35 # thanks unhelpful 09.43.43 # and bagder 09.43.44 # that's an uppercase H, I wonder if that's the reason 09.43.54 # is this the correct bootloader file i need? 09.44.09 # yes 09.44.46 # i don't know the installer said all is done, but perhaps the download links are broken or changed, cause the manuals links are broken too inside the installer 09.45.35 # i think its the best to create a directory for every mp3 player type and but the bootloader files inside these directories 09.46.00 # so it's more clearly 09.46.07 # the 5/6GB H10s should have their own manual (and once had), because the screen is a different dimension and I believe there are differences in the installation process (because if UMS etc. devices) 09.46.23 # I wonder if it has to do with the target rename still 09.46.47 # I don't know 09.47.02 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (i=S_a_i_n_@203.184.0.156) 09.47.04 # after i download the file rockbox will launch correctly 09.47.16 # big thanks 09.47.40 # now all is fine 09.47.51 # so you only need to repair the installer 09.48.44 # and yes I have a different screen resolution 09.49.15 # but if there are differences in the installation process i don't know 09.49.38 # i only know there are differences between the ums and mtp devices 09.49.58 # which were already explained inside the h10 20 gb manual 09.50.05 # no, the installation process is the same for them, just different bootloaders 09.50.57 # so you only need to change / repair the download links to the bootloader entries 09.51.07 # question: Is it possible to display an image at 'n'% of the currently playing track in a WPS? 09.51.20 # could %px be used conditionally? 09.51.56 # that was more of an internal message. About the difference - I *believe* all big H10s are MTP whereas the small can be MTP or UMS or something like that 09.52.39 # i only know that the mtp devies will not ship out with the 'plus' software 09.53.12 # but you could find out your device by watiching the original firmware booting screen 09.54.33 # the mtp device bootscreen wil display an "pfd initialize" message 09.54.42 # source: http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H10_Firmware_Conversion:_MTP/UMS 09.56.05 # so thanks again for your help and please make rockbox better ... can't wait for the next release :-) 09.56.11 # bye 09.56.23 Quit tfx ("CGI:IRC") 09.58.01 # anyone? can the %px tag be used as ( %px?<%xda|%xdb|%xdc| etc.> ) in a WPS? 09.59.29 # I'm not sure but if at all then it should be %?px ... doesn't sound like it would make sense to me though 10.00.35 # oooops, sorry, typo 10.00.53 # I'm trying to make a 'progress bar' that'll run backward 10.01.42 # any suggestions on a better way to do it? 10.02.11 # I'd think just %px would do that then 10.04.49 # I'll try it, thanks. I was looking through all the tags and couldn't find a better way to do it, 'better' being based on %px actually working as I hope, if not then.....? :/ 10.17.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.23.58 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-142-12.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 10.48.56 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F9BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.07.06 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 11.15.17 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=quassel@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 11.33.09 Quit Zarggg_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.43.47 Quit Tomis () 12.08.12 Join watto [0] (n=watto@193.203.81.165) 12.08.20 Quit stoffel (Remote closed the connection) 12.17.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.20.17 Quit Spaceghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.30.59 Join cheszilla [0] (n=laglagla@cpc1-broo6-0-0-cust893.renf.cable.ntl.com) 12.37.57 # If my ipod 5th gen is flashing 'do not disconnect', is it still safe to rockbox it? 12.45.11 # ? 12.45.26 # it always flashes do not disconnect while it's plugged into a host computer, until you eject the device 12.45.37 # i've never had an ipod that did that before. :| 12.45.52 # it just showed the swirling arrows that showed its syncing. 12.46.06 # or an icon with a cable init 12.46.18 # whenever it's in disk mode it displays the do not disconnect screen.. 12.46.23 # ok 12.48.17 # ALL my iPods have displayed the 'Do not disconnect' screen when plugged into a host, I've never seen any different. 12.49.12 # I've had a nano before, maybe its just got a slightly different interface 12.49.13 # thanks though 12.49.59 # I'm talking about a nano as well 12.50.17 # my 1st and 2nd gens display that screen when plugged in 12.50.55 # my nano displayed this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2208557358_0aeafba51c.jpg?v=0 12.51.11 # what I was getting was this: http://www.woodblock.com/diversions/ipod/images/step_12_large.jpg 12.51.24 # Er, yes, that's the same screen 12.51.27 # but styled different 12.51.36 # that says "do not disconnect" in different words :) 12.51.45 # :P thats what I'm saying haha 12.51.49 # what gen nano is that? 12.51.52 # 3rd? 12.51.57 # same one as mine, I believe so 12.52.05 # I got mine, may 08? 12.52.11 # Anyway, yes, all these things mean the same thing 12.52.12 # not supported by rockbox 12.52.16 # they mean "don't just yank the cable out" 12.52.26 # it's nothing special :) 12.52.28 # I know unfortunately, S_a_i_n_t :( 12.52.32 # thanks Torne :) 12.52.49 # personally, I think the 3rd gen is hideous 12.52.58 # it kinda broke the nano mould a bit 12.53.13 # indeed 12.53.16 # 4th gen got it right again 12.53.29 # speaking of ipods, do you know if a rockboxed ipods will still scrobble to last.fm? 12.53.36 # ^ipod 12.53.47 # 5th carried it on, I like my 5th gen nano, can't wait til I can rockbox that 12.53.56 # but I might have to :( 12.54.02 # just rockboxed mine 12.54.06 # it looks pretty :) 12.54.28 # there are settings for scrobbling somewhere 12.54.31 # cheszilla: there is an option to enable logging of played tracks to a file 12.54.32 # so I guess so 12.54.36 # check the manual 12.54.39 # cheszilla: you then need to use some PC-side or web-based tool to upload the log 12.54.49 # it's not done automatically by the last.fm player as with the OF 12.54.52 # but it's not difficult 12.55.05 # ok cheers 12.55.06 # :) 12.55.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LastFMLog 12.55.51 # * S_a_i_n_t has wondered for ages wtf scrobbling was... 12.56.05 # haha 12.56.14 # i don't think we call it scrobbling in rockbox any more 12.56.16 # * S_a_i_n_t doesnt 'scrobble' 12.56.37 # once audioscrobbler stopped existing as a seperate thing it's easier to just talk about last.fm logging 12.56.44 # oooh 12.57.09 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8F8F0.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.57.57 # what exactly *IS* Last.fm? what does it do? 12.58.31 # go look on their website. this is offtopic :) 13.00.04 # another question, because I am an idiot at the best of times, what directory do I copy all my music to? 13.00.14 # just the (E:) Ipod? 13.00.18 # anywhere you like 13.00.26 # cool 13.00.55 # mmm copytime 13.02.34 # thanks for all the help guys. :) 13.02.41 Part cheszilla 13.22.06 Join stoffel [0] (n=quassel@p57B4F9BE.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.39 Join dfkt [0] (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.02.48 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.38 Quit stoffel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.17.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.22.17 Part Bagder 14.50.20 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-205-209.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 14.52.54 Quit bzed (Remote closed the connection) 14.56.07 Join bzed [0] (n=bzed@devel.recluse.de) 14.59.10 Join evilnick_B [0] (i=0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.03.48 # New commit by 03tomers (r24200): Manual: Add some of the tags that are documented in the Wiki but are missing ... 15.09.41 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-21-143.unitymediagroup.de) 15.12.46 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15.15.10 Part fish_ 15.16.44 Quit antil33t (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.16.55 Join antil33t [0] (n=Mudkips@203.184.54.232) 15.32.34 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 15.34.45 Quit petur ("*plop*") 15.37.45 # interesting 15.38.00 # I can see the button to approve account removals from the forums, but I get told to sod off if I push it. 15.44.30 # GodEater, the headphone jack microphone port isn't enabled on the 4th gen iPods? 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Probably at the same place as we tell how to turn off 21.27.36 Quit flydutch ("/* empty */") 21.28.18 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 21.29.09 # gevaerts: what do we do with the leaked file handles in plugins ? Do we put a splash ? Do we keep only the logf ? Do we do more ? (that would mean more code and more space usage) 21.30.29 # pamaury: My recent thoughts were to enable this for debug builds and panic 21.31.47 # pamaury: if its a real problem we could have a step between the pluygins and the real open/close calls to keep track of them and release and leaked handles when the plugin exits 21.32.56 # My question is two fold: first, do we want this autoclose feature in all builds ? second, what do we do to inform the user (it can be silent for usual builds and panic for debug) 21.33.00 # ? 21.33.26 # But who uses debug builds ? (real question) 21.33.40 # we know leaked filehandles are not a very serious problem today 21.34.06 # indeed (in plugins) 21.35.22 # So silent handling and panic for debug ? That's ok for me. I'll write this based on your patch, I think it's useful to keep the logf 21.35.35 # Always adding it somewhat gives the signal that leaking filehandles is OK 21.35.41 # I'm not sure if we want that 21.36.57 Quit dfkt (Nick collision from services.) 21.37.02 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (i=dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.37.38 # So we should signal it to the user. I feel it's better to inform the user to fix the problem later 21.38.17 # But the only "free" way to do this seem to be splashf to me. logf is silent, panic is too violent 21.38.29 # splashf will be confusing 21.38.57 # which is why I'm not convinced we want this 21.40.54 Quit goffa ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev") 21.41.38 # but designing a whole screen for that is overhead 21.41.50 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.42.38 # no, I mean that just telling *every* user that something is wrong will confuse lots of people. This is something for developers 21.42.54 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@h-142-12.A213.priv.bahnhof.se) 21.43.10 # But the very nature of the leaked file handle makes it impossible to report it without being obscure 21.43.11 # which goes to the argument of why the heck the debug menu is in user builds... 21.43.23 # but we do want people to report leaked file handles, right? 21.44.02 # If the device say: "report to RB team" then the user don't have to understand it. 21.44.06 # *s 21.44.46 # It's the same in pc software: the application crash, you send a bug report but here it's more difficult. 21.44.50 Nick knine is now known as kaniini (n=kaniini6@dyn75-70.yok.fi) 21.45.04 # Or we can write a "bug report" to a file and tell the user to report it 21.45.44 # what do you think ? 21.45.45 # pamaury: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100108#12:37:57 . How will those users respond to any sort of splash telling them that something is wrong? 21.47.49 # arf, users can be *stupid* sometimes 21.49.37 # I do like the idea of writing a bug report, preferably in some kind of standard format, and have support in rbutil to report it back somehow 21.50.23 # that could work 21.51.00 # I also think it could be a good solution. Just tell the user that a problem arised and to plug the device and run rbutil 21.51.48 # wouldnt it be better to just make sure to close the files? 21.51.55 # now we just need a volunteer to sift through automatically generated bug reports ... :) 21.52.07 # JdGordon|: yes 21.52.17 # JdGordon, the ideal solution would be to fix the plugins 21.52.55 # Yes but how can you know there is a problem if you don't report it ;) 21.52.55 # Which is why I still think that we should only bother people if they run a debug build, or possibly a special testing build 21.54.25 # the last time I tried a debug build, it didn't even compile... I guess basically nobody runs debug builds 21.55.58 # Debug builds are no used. But why not a special testing build. Could be useful for testers and during RC. 21.56.37 # What would be the difference between debug builds and testing builds? 21.57.08 # debug menu and this ? ;) 21.57.09 # I mean, we now already have debug builds that nobody runs, why add yet another class of builds? 21.57.32 # pamaury: my feeling is that non release builds should have this debug info and the debug menu, release builds shuold have neither 21.57.53 # I agree 21.57.53 # * gevaerts agrees with JdGordon| 21.58.23 # and RC builds have neither as well. If they're too different from release builds, they can't really be used as release candidate 21.59.01 # Ok. How do you differentiate between release and non release builds ? Is there a define or something ? 22.00.47 # Make a HAVE_* define for the feature, and document it enough (maybe on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseChecklist?) 22.01.35 # theres a patch for that 22.02.33 # for what ? 22.02.39 # well, I started a script to do the release builds which set the version string and a #define which would be used if #ifdef out the debug menu 22.02.41 Join Space [0] (i=quassel@r190-0-130-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 22.03.07 # I stopped when it accidently nuked my rockbox tree 22.03.34 Part Space ("Leaving") 22.03.51 # hehe 22.03.53 # lol 22.06.24 Join Spaceg [0] (i=opera@r190-0-130-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 22.07.35 Part Spaceg ("Leaving") 22.08.14 # gevaerts: if we have a HAVE_* flag, then it mean that it should be set except for release builds. So I should set it in config.h ? 22.08.31 # yes, probably with plenty of comments 22.09.01 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 22.12.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10278 is how i did it 22.13.03 # gevaerts: in you're patch, why use an open wrapper when it's disabled ? You can skip it and call open directly 22.13.51 # *your 22.14.52 # pamaury: mainly because that patch wasn't done with disabling in mind 22.15.07 Quit togetic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.36 # ok 22.17.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.20.38 Join Space [0] (i=opera@r190-64-5-49.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 22.21.34 Join Spaceg [0] (i=opera@r190-0-134-249.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) 22.25.53 Quit Space (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.26.08 Quit seani__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.26.24 Join seani__ [0] (n=seani@78.33.109.70) 22.29.59 Join mc2739 [0] (n=mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 22.38.20 Quit Spaceghost (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.40.19 # hmm would anyone know how to debug a serial/uart signal? (am using a bus pirate as ttl->usb converter) 22.40.42 # mcuelenaere, look at it using an oscilloscope ... 22.41.10 # I don't have an oscilloscope 22.43.52 # maybe you can couple the signal into your soundcard using by reducing the voltage a bit with some resistors and a capacitor to block DC 22.45.00 # gevaerts: I'm not satisfied with splash, what do you think about it ? If the timeout is too small it's easy to miss it but if it's too big it's annoying. I would prefer a screen where do press select but I don't know how to do it :( 22.45.49 # use the yesno screen "widget" then 22.45.52 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 22.46.02 Quit togetic (Remote closed the connection) 22.46.26 Quit Sajber^ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.46.31 # but yesno but yesyes is a bit clumsy ;) 22.46.46 # *but->for 22.47.10 # perhaps I should look into the bus pirate's logic analyzer's mode 22.47.14 # But that would work. 22.48.40 Quit p3tur (Remote closed the connection) 22.48.45 # I've successfully used the trick with the sound card as a kind of poor-man's-oscilloscope to figure out protocols on 433 MHz gadgets 22.50.34 # pamaury: IIRC you can set the test to anything 22.51.07 # that screen just provides a relativly simple api to dump so text 22.51.23 # bertrik: the problem is I don't have any resistors nor capacitors 22.51.55 # JdGordon: What do you mean ? It will always provide a yes/no option. Of course, you're free to ignore the result. I am wrong ? 22.53.07 # hmm.. you may be right 22.55.08 # It's not a problem, it thought to yesno screen immediately and because it's would be for non-release built, it's not a problem but still I asked the question. 22.55.23 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@c-68-62-19-6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.55.54 # gevaerts: what message should I provide to the user ? (I guess it should be localized ?) 23.01.09 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.12 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (i=S_a_i_n_@203.184.0.249) 23.04.18 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-11-130.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.08.17 # * JdGordon| *really really* wants a "repeat action" item in the file browser context menu 23.08.25 # deleting 15 songs is painful 23.09.12 # you mean to be able to multi-select? That'd be very nice 23.09.27 # same outcome, but done differently 23.09.57 # what would "repeat action" mean ? RB can't decide which item to delete in the folder 23.10.08 # But multi-select would be great, sure 23.10.09 # the context menu would remember the last thing you did (delete/ playlist insert/ etc) and you'd then be able to just chose the "repeat" item to do it 23.10.33 # How would that help? 23.10.33 # but yes, multiselect would be in every way better 23.11.20 # or you could have the context menu automatically select the last used action 23.11.27 # 'Delete' would still have to present its confimation screen 23.11.30 Quit Spaceg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.31 # I don't like the idea of "repeat action", how it can be better that multi-select ? 23.11.35 # on targets with a spare button it would be one click 23.11.46 # *than 23.12.02 # its not better, multiselect just involves alot more work to implement 23.12.15 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=opera@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 23.12.16 # you could just use MSC for mass deletions 23.12.16 # Clearly 23.12.45 # not without a cable :) 23.12.50 # and delete was just an example 23.12.59 # bertrik: Obviously, but if you follow that logic why do we have cut/copy/delete etc at all 23.13.23 # AlexP, for small numbers of cut/copy/delete 23.13.37 # yes but even a few is a pain 23.13.45 # without being able to multi-select small numbers = 1 23.13.56 # without being a complete pain in the arse 23.14.05 # I disagree 23.14.26 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.15.02 # But multi-select would be problematic also because how can you differentiage between context-menu and multi-select ? 23.15.37 # (or add select options to context-menu) 23.15.49 # pamaury, those could be different buttons (or button combinations) 23.15.59 # yeah, interface is problemativc 23.16.10 # On some target, there are no free buttons 23.16.25 # I'd say for multi-select just make it the first option in the context menu 23.16.37 # So hold, tap, highlight next, hold, tap, highlight next, hold, tep 23.16.39 # tap 23.16.49 # Not much worse than just long-select for it. 23.17.04 # that would take about the same time as just deleting them one by one in the first place, I think 23.17.08 # Not really 23.17.10 # nope 23.17.15 # Well we could have a select mode (indicated by a special cursor or similar) 23.17.16 # na, the first option would be "start multi select", then tap tap tap then long press to get the options 23.17.20 # You get the confirm each time I think. As well, you have to scroll in the context menu each time 23.17.22 # more presses down, a confirm dialogue for each file 23.17.33 # For copy/cut, it's a use time saver 23.17.35 # And multi-select isn't just for delete (it could also do cut, copy, insert, etc) 23.17.39 # And cut/paste is even worse than delete 23.17.41 # *huge 23.18.01 # * Llorean would rather be able to just multi-select via context menu than having to choose "start multi select" each time 23.18.22 # it would be less presses for you 23.18.31 # start would obviously select the current item also 23.18.31 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 23.18.49 # I would say "start" *shouldn't* select the current item if it's going to be that way 23.18.58 # this is all silly talk though because multiselect is a huge amount of work 23.19.01 # I would prefer a "select this file" item as well as a "select all in directory" and "unselect all" 23.19.01 # It doesn't say it does, so it'd surprise people 23.19.40 # ok, so its still less presses than your suggestion 23.19.48 # JdGordon|: we are free to dream of features ;) 23.19.52 # in total you need 2 long presses 23.20.05 # * amiconn wonders how huge the necessary work would actually be 23.20.22 # huge being non-trivial :) 23.20.49 # at a minimum its figuring out how to store the selections, and then make every item support it 23.21.00 # on some of the targets I have, right and select currently do the same (activate the current item). Could we use select to select a list item and right to activate it? 23.21.17 # thats another posibility 23.21.23 # Also deciding when to "reset" selection is important, since a user may not be looking at the folder(s) where old selected files are. 23.21.24 # Basically keep a list of selected file and for each context menu action, handle multi-file case. For most it's a natural extension, just do it for each file. 23.21.27 # thats actually very logical :) 23.21.57 # Llorean: you wouldnt be able to select outside of the current list 23.22.09 # list being folder in the browers case 23.22.22 # The file browser already has a list of the directory contents. How hard would it be to add a 'selected' flag? 23.22.59 # amiconn: that would be dangerous wouldn't it? updating the dircache entries 23.23.08 # * JdGordon| would want the selection stored with the llistview somehow 23.23.12 # I'm not talking about dircache 23.23.26 # That doesn't even exist on lowmem targets 23.23.35 Join togetic [0] (n=togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 23.23.36 # I know 23.23.50 # the layer underneath the file browsers list 23.23.55 # yes 23.23.58 # JdGordon|: I don't really like that, but it would simplify things since you'd never have selected things out of easy visual range. 23.24.23 Part Llorean 23.24.27 # That layer already stores various information about the files, e.g. whether an associated .talk clip exists 23.24.36 # which is all static 23.24.48 # I mean information that's *not* directly coming from the directory entry for that file 23.25.57 # Having a more powerful listview which allow some items to be selected (to have graphical feedback) seems natural to me because you're limited to a directory. Even though I don't know how all this work 23.26.08 # Well, the list changes anyway when changing directory, so it's not really static 23.26.40 # even if that could be done cleanly, I stil think the selection should be stored with the list and not the contents 23.26.45 # makes it more generic 23.27.32 # something like just setting a small buffer on the list struct to use 23.28.12 # or at worst, using a callback ( :( more callbacks on the list widget_ 23.28.14 # * amiconn prefers the KISS approach 23.28.54 # the file browser is not the only list which would use this if it were avilable 23.29.21 # If it were available generically, yes 23.30.02 # someone knows if exist another accesoy similar to the Nike and Ipod for run? 23.30.11 # But the file browser is probably the list where it would help the most, and since it already has a variable-sized list, it would probably be easier to implement it there 23.31.04 # * JdGordon| back in 30 23.31.10 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.31.30 # that accesory is support on rockbox? have a bluetooth conection? maybe that will be interested? 23.33.21 Quit Spaceghost (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.20 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=quassel@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 23.38.58 # Spaceghost: There's no bluetooth support within RB currently 23.39.26 # There aren't any targets with bluetooth either 23.39.33 # To the best of my knowledge 23.40.36 # There are some targets with wifi, no ? That's strange there aren't any with bluetooth 23.40.46 # pamaury: Are there? 23.41.00 # I can't think of any with wifi 23.41.17 # Perhaps not any supported one, you're right ;) 23.41.39 # I am talking about the accesory 23.41.47 # Nike + iPod Sports 23.42.08 # did you head about something similar without need a ipod? 23.42.28 # No 23.42.43 # And as evilnick says, there is no bluetooth support in Rockbox 23.42.47 # if I use that, I only can use with the ipod firmware true? 23.42.52 # not with rockbox 23.42.54 # I would say so 23.43.04 # Good job you can dual boot :) 23.44.03 # but the storage is limited, exist the possibility of using the database of ipod on rockbox? 23.44.14 # I heard in FAQs that that is difficult 23.44.19 # no, but Rockbox will build its own database if you want 23.44.22 # but may be I can? 23.44.27 # From the tags on your music 23.44.48 # You cannot use the itunes database, but you can use the Rockbox database with the songs transferred with itunes 23.44.52 # but you understand me? for example 23.45.11 # I have a ipod nano of 2G of 2gb, the storage is limited 23.45.19 # yes, I understand you 23.45.22 # * pamaury wonders how many people actually use this nike+ iPod thing 23.45.50 Quit Lss (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.04 # and I would like heard the songs in the two firmwares (because when I need use the nike accesory I need apple firmware) 23.46.08 # can I do that? 23.46.12 # Yes, as I said 23.46.17 # You cannot use the itunes database, but you can use the Rockbox database with the songs transferred with itunes 23.46.30 # ahh 23.46.32 # great 23.46.37 # Spaceghost: there are two distincts things: the files and the database. The files are present on the disk whathever the firmware is. The database is something the firmware to use to gather information about music and it's relatively small. 23.46.39 # sorry 23.46.51 # Spaceghost: No problem :) 23.46.55 # now I understand you 23.47.14 # No worries, it is somewhat confusing 23.47.22 # Too many uses of the same words :) 23.48.14 # * pamaury wonders how many stupid-things-like-the-nike+-ipod-kit the iPod Touch/3GS/... supports ! There are as useless as the pictureflow plugin ;) 23.48.15 # so, that is, I will share the files but not the database. "Songs continue with the names assigned to them encrypted iTunes? 23.48.37 # Spaceghost: DRM encrypted songs won't work in Rockbox 23.49.01 # Spaceghost: And the "names" the songs have in Rockbox comes from the tags (e.g. ID3 tags for MP3) 23.49.10 # I amn not talking about that 23.49.31 # Spaceghost: I don't understand the "encrypted iTunes" then 23.50.06 # he means the obfuscated names 23.50.07 # when I read the ipod in the computer, (as a external hard disk) I only see folders, and songs 23.50.11 # ah right 23.50.13 # yes, that! 23.50.24 # yes, the names will remain obfuscated on disk 23.50.29 # but playback isn't affected 23.50.36 # Spaceghost: No problem, the Rockbox database uses the tags on your files, not the file names 23.50.50 # the only real problem it presents is playlists 23.50.54 # The tag are not obfuscated but the names are ? That's trange 23.51.03 # *strange 23.51.12 # pamaury: They are just standard files that have been renamed 23.51.22 # but the songs will continue "obfuscated"? 23.51.36 # Yes but why rename them ? And they are renamed to what ? "music-0001" ? 23.51.42 # Spaceghost: The filenames, yes but the Rockbox database uses the tags, not the filenames 23.51.56 # pamaury: They are also put in weird folders 23.52.03 # and renamed to eg HFGS 23.52.10 # pamaury: it achieves a couple of things 23.52.20 # it keeps the path length to one fixed value for the itunes database 23.52.36 # and it makes getting your music off your ipod and giving it to your friends a bit trickier 23.52.41 # yes, but I would like to know if I can that the songs will with her reals name, and continuos reading by the ipod firmware 23.52.48 # no 23.52.50 # no you can't Spaceghost 23.52.51 # I think that is not possible, true? 23.52.53 # ok 23.52.54 # you used to be able to 23.52.57 # yes, it is not possible 23.53.09 # itunes/the ipod apple firmware doesn't let you 23.53.09 # but apple stopped their firmware reading files anywhere outside the ipod_control folder 23.53.16 # and with files names over 4 characters in length 23.53.17 # Rockbox doesn't care 23.54.02 # You can put music with iTunes and read it with rockbox but you can't put music as external hdd and read it with apple firmware. I am correct ? 23.54.18 # external hdd? 23.54.44 # * GodEater is confused too now 23.54.57 # You can plug a device and browse is as a mass storage device no ? 23.55.05 # To an ipod? 23.55.08 Quit balug ("Ex-Chat") 23.55.14 # all ipods we run on present as mass storage... 23.55.18 # because may be I can find that practice for heard in the dvd-hometheater, for that I have asked 23.55.34 # Spaceghost: Sorry, I didn't understand that 23.55.39 # Spaceghost: sorry, your translation software made a mess of that 23.56.19 # yes, sorry my english is bad, I don't use a translation software anyway 23.56.39 Join grant___ [0] (i=d83bfaa4@gateway/web/freenode/x-mgmktyyhhatnqkmg) 23.56.42 # ah sorry - I was just guessing :(# 23.56.58 # Spaceghost: which language(s) do you talk ? Perhaps someone can translate (we never know) ? 23.57.00 # may will be better to do 23.57.05 # spanish 23.57.23 # pamaury: in private messages only please - we keep the channel to english 23.57.41 # u could use google translate 23.58.04 # I don't really speak spanish anyway, I would be ridiculous ;) 23.58.22 # btw ive got a bug for the ipod nano 2nd gen 23.58.34 # my stereo channels will randomly swap 23.58.41 # I don't think google translate output will be readable english, will it be ? 23.58.42 # grant___: yes, this is a known issue 23.58.46 # grant___: That's known 23.58.49 # kk 23.58.51 # pamaury: it might do ;) 23.58.53 # grant___: And is on flyspray 23.58.58 # sry