--- Log for 15.01.110 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 14 days ago 00.00.46 Nick froggyman| is now known as froggyman (n=4845cdd1@giant.haxx.se) 00.01.00 # not directly, I believe. we can profile codecs (and plugins IIUC, but I couldn't it to work), so you'd need to build it into a plugin 00.01.16 Nick froggyman is now known as Guest51752 (n=4845cdd1@giant.haxx.se) 00.01.26 Nick Guest51752 is now known as froggyman| (n=4845cdd1@giant.haxx.se) 00.01.52 # if it gets down to saving a few instructinos is actually important, then those macros really are wasteful :) 00.02.19 # you can get the call count easily, but I don't know how easy "time spend in it" is 00.02.39 # can we get finer grained than useing the tick? 00.03.11 # I once hacked together instrumenting a core file though, maybe it is possible 00.04.34 # I don't know if any of our target CPUs have performance counters; but maybe the USEC_TIMER on pp could be used 00.05.35 # its known that you get better battery life if you sit in the menu instead of the wps yeah? 00.05.50 # yes 00.06.14 # also, disable refreshing without backlight gave an extra 1h on the e200 00.06.39 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 00.06.40 # so it is actually worth putting some time into the displayer 00.07.31 # you can read arm yeah? can you have a look at the .o and see what gcc turns that switch into? 00.08.09 # I could have a look, although i don't have the .o handy (and I'm in windows atm) 00.08.39 # one thing we could do is add another enum to the table at the top of parser.c which says which get_token() function to call for that token 00.08.55 # then we could split them up without wasting time going into extra functions 00.09.19 # maybe even use the flags member for this 00.09.36 # except that easily 3x or 4x the number of branches needed (multiple switches, function call overhead) 00.10.00 # also, I doubt that gcc makes jump tables for small switches 00.10.53 # ok, but doing this means that even if it does a very long if/elseif block it might be half a dozen in each function which isnt terrible 00.11.07 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-246-123.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.12.07 # there is probably gains to be had by getting rid of the line text alignemtn support 00.12.14 # * kugel doesn't dare to estimate that on a function that's called so often 00.12.16 # %al%ac%ar all in one line 00.12.53 # I know thats not something that's liekly to happen 00.13.15 # but yea, the non-switch part of get_token_value() probably consumes a lot more cpu time 00.21.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.21.47 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.17 Quit Barahir_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.24.37 Join Barahir [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f755157.pool.mediaWays.net) 00.24.42 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-239-72.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.25.33 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 00.33.37 Join rhodan_ [0] (n=quassel@120-88.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch) 00.34.41 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@e178065168.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.35.09 # JdGordon|: what I expected, I could identify the jump table 00.35.53 # it contains a lot jumps to the default case, so reordering (so that they match the enum order) could save some bytes 00.37.22 Join pyro_maniac [0] (n=quassel@77-23-96-13-dynip.superkabel.de) 00.37.28 Quit kugel (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.38.39 Quit pyro_maniac (Client Quit) 00.39.53 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.00 # kugel_: I dont care about binary size, I care about speed 00.41.14 # and flexibility, which admitedly dont go hand in hand 00.41.48 Quit rhodan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00.44.06 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-227-10.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 00.49.56 Quit giLL0r (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.49 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.57.33 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.03.34 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.05.27 Quit kramer3d ("Leaving") 01.10.55 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.14.04 Quit kugel_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.14.59 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.16.21 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-235-212.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.16.33 Join evilnick [0] (i=457288ab@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 01.29.38 Nick rhodan_ is now known as rhodan (n=quassel@120-88.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch) 01.33.02 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-246-188.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.33.12 Quit nima (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.36.04 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 01.48.53 # does the tick count on the sim have *any* bareing on real life at all? 01.53.58 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCA98D.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.55.50 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=quassel@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 01.56.07 Part toffe82 01.58.07 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-117-89.c3-0.80w-ubr2.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.02.49 Quit bittin| ("Lost terminal") 02.04.01 Quit amiconn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.04.05 Join amiconn [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.06.47 Quit JdGordon| ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.07.39 # JdGordon: are you trying to profile that? 02.13.39 Join JdGordon1 [0] (n=jonno@72-62-25-181.pools.spcsdns.net) 02.17.39 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@genkt-057-079.t-mobile.co.uk) 02.21.03 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.21.12 # apparently not... 5 ticks to do a skin redraw? 02.21.32 # getting logging going on the target is going to be annoying 02.23.53 # x86 has a performance counter afaik 02.26.13 # I don't know a trick to compile single files with -finstrument-functions, I just enabled it after everything was compiled and then it was only activated for the files recompiled 02.26.59 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r24229): outright reject any tags which need a special parser in the wps playlist viewer. There is no intention of even trying to support them and without this ... 02.27.43 # if you have that, you only need to provide 2 functions that are called on every function entry and exit, you'd only need to count something that has a high enough resolution between the calls of them 02.28.16 # x86 perf doesnt really mean much here.. ill figure out how to log on my mini, and yeah thats pretty much what im doing 02.28.55 # or see how many ticks it takes to call get_token() 10000 times or something 02.29.06 # after fiddling to break the jumptable 02.31.54 # * JdGordon1 guesses it wont make very much difference at all 02.38.48 Quit _diablo (Remote closed the connection) 02.40.00 # on the mini you're better of counting USEC_TIMER probably 02.47.26 # 90% or so of tokens go through 2 swicth cases in svn! 02.47.32 # get_line() does it also 02.59.21 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-233-222.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.03.36 # jho: can you please try my latest nand patch? i hope this is the last change now.. 03.10.28 Quit JdGordon1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.11.48 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.12.15 Join webguest50 [0] (n=586e6f22@giant.haxx.se) 03.12.18 Join tarnzwerg [0] (n=abc@77-20-147-39-dynip.superkabel.de) 03.13.51 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.14.44 # hi, can anybody tell me which ID3 tag[s] are supported by the database for user rating? 03.15.47 # [i've searched the forums and wiki and the database wiki page doesn't seem to specify - all it mentions is "rating" and I've tried that] 03.15.59 # * webguest50 wonders why he can't type normal braces 03.18.14 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-246-241.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.21.06 # the user rating doesnt work with id3, its a seperate system 03.22.44 # thanks, how does one go about adding a rating to a file then? 03.23.55 # is the rating stored in runtime data? if so, is there a menu entry somewhere I am missing which allows you to set it? I see nothing on the quickscreen 03.24.35 # You have to enable the runtime data first 03.25.44 # ahhh - just noticed it. thanks. "Set song rating." so, I presume there is no way to export that data? 03.26.47 # webguest50: Rating The menu entry is only shown if Gather Runtime Information is enabled. It allows the asignment of a personal rating value (0 – 10) to a track which can be displayed in the WPS and used in the Database browser. The value wraps at 10. 03.28.03 # There's another option to export the modifications 03.28.17 # Which will be the ratings that the user has assigned 03.28.27 # & playcounts 03.28.41 # oh, so i could write a script to parse the ascii exported runtime data and add it to the ID3 tags of MP3s 03.29.16 # where did you copy that from by the way? I couldn't find that in the wiki 03.29.40 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.06 # Our Fine Manual :) http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-470004.2.3 03.31.08 # * webguest50 crawls into a corner 03.31.19 # I'd recommend starting with the manual and if that doesn't answer any questions THEN go to the wiki/forums/IRC 03.31.32 # * evilnick pulls webguest50 back out of the corner and dusts him off 03.32.39 # to half-excuse me, there isn't a manual for the D2 yet, but still I should've checked one of the others 03.33.14 Join rhodan_ [0] (n=quassel@168-104.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch) 03.33.29 # anyways, thanks. I'll go check out the format of the exported runtime data and see if I can write a script to generate an "importable ratings file" from the ID3 tags of one's library 03.35.05 # No problem, and any tool like that would be a useful addition to the wiki too :) 03.35.51 # true, since it's a feature request. possibly speak later with a real irc client. kthxbye 03.36.17 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.43.19 Quit froggyman| ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.50.56 Quit Res1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.51.48 Quit rhodan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.50 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.22 Join Res1 [0] (n=Res@adsl-067-034-129-222.sip.mco.bellsouth.net) 03.57.44 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.01.29 Quit panni_ ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.12.42 Quit kugel ("exit(0);") 04.21.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.38.04 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@179-49.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 04.39.25 Quit Strife89 ("Bed.") 04.42.48 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )") 04.49.37 Quit tarnzwerg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.14 Quit rhodan_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.36 Join Barahir_ [0] (n=jonathan@gssn-5f75780c.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.58.50 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@c-0d3771d5.012-155-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 05.03.27 Quit Sajber^ (Client Quit) 05.06.33 Join tay [0] (n=440400d9@giant.haxx.se) 05.09.18 Quit tay (Client Quit) 05.11.59 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.12.53 Quit Barahir (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.33 # WTF? who plays with themeing? 05.19.53 # %s on a line with conditionals... does it work? 05.32.01 # rasher: scorche: ping? 05.38.20 Quit Spaceghost ("güit") 05.54.00 Join rhodan_ [0] (n=quassel@183-20.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch) 06.00.40 Quit tchan ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev") 06.02.43 Quit Guest94783 () 06.02.59 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 06.04.03 # what does "avg" stand for with VBR files? 06.05.55 Join jfc^3 [0] (n=john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 06.07.15 Quit jfc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.07.32 Join sparkeater [0] (n=cbdcff60@giant.haxx.se) 06.07.59 # someone is using my registered nick 06.08.39 # I registered on the forums and someone has every variant of my nick on this irc server 06.09.25 # but a relevant question to this channel... when is the next release expected? someone said christmas (last year) last time I asked 06.11.55 Quit rhodan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.16.43 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 06.16.46 # any developer around? 06.17.37 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 06.18.02 # JdGordon: Any suggestion regarding http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10911 06.18.25 # only that you use should pluginlib actions 06.18.33 # otherwise i didnt look at the code too much 06.18.35 # I would like to commit it soon. BTW I have a newer version which I'm about to port there 06.18.53 # its very unlikely that you'll get a review for plugins 06.19.08 # (which also does mean that arguments might come up like it did with the clock a while ago :p ) 06.19.17 # JdGordon: That is outside of the scope of this patch. The mandelbrot plugin did not use pluginlib 06.19.44 # JdGordon: I don't remember the clock stuff. What was the issue? 06.20.00 # it was completly changed :) 06.20.05 # JdGordon: I guess I'll just commit... 06.20.44 # I've really enhanced the usability of that plugin. I didn't change any of its original behavior, I think 06.21.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.21.24 # Can you just review the filenames I used? I'm not sure their are appropriately named 06.24.08 Join rhodan [0] (n=quassel@81.62.126.197) 06.24.17 # does anyone have any idea when the next "stable" release is due? 06.24.20 Join tchan [0] (n=tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 06.24.34 Quit tomers ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20100106054534]") 06.24.50 Join tomers [0] (n=chatzill@bzq-84-109-85-100.red.bezeqint.net) 06.25.56 # sparkeater: I personally really confused about it. It was delayed, but not canceled 06.42.36 Quit rhodan_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.44.24 # sparkeater: probably 3 months 06.52.33 Join hebz0rl [0] (n=hebz0rl@dslb-088-067-219-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) 06.53.18 # New commit by 03tomers (r24230): FS#10911 - Plugins: Fractals (formerly Mandelbrot) ... 06.59.15 Quit kramer3d ("Leaving") 07.00.54 Quit pjm0616 () 07.10.14 # * tomers Fixing reds 07.17.59 # New commit by 03tomers (r24231): Fractals: Fix red ... 07.18.30 # I don't think pluginlib action will work well with mandelbrot as there are not only keys for directional movement but also for zooming in and out and increasing/decreasing precision. 07.18.33 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 07.19.18 # I guess you'll also have a hard time finding another key to switch to different sets or a menu key on all targets 07.20.09 # pixelma: I personally dislike pluginlib :-) 07.21.46 # pixelma: Switching different sets could be implemented with some sort of key combination (I guess). It isn't a common key combination anyway. Also, we can have it set by a menu, which this plugin might have 07.22.09 # and I wonder if more sets are possible on lowmem targets withou grabbing audio buffer 07.23.06 # pixelma: It only hold a buffer of size LCD_HEIGHT and paints row by row, using the same buffer, at least in the mandelbrot set... 07.23.42 # I tried to have this buffer common, outside mandelbrot_set.c, so it could use by future plugins, but it created reds, and I don't want to mess with it now 07.23.58 # * tomers What?! 07.24.19 # tomers: not all targets can have key combos, but maybe you can use the quit button for a menu although I also like a simple way to quit 07.24.44 # pixelma: Maybe a menu in the plugins start... bummer 07.26.35 # New commit by 03tomers (r24232): Mandelbrot: Another try at fixing reds ... 07.27.19 # I've had used the wrong local compilation, that's why I missed this reds 07.47.28 # * tomers Really got to go. Will fix yellows in few hours 07.47.31 # * tomers from now 07.48.54 # you really shouldnt leave it in a non green state... people wont like that 07.52.38 # yeah, that's not good form 08.01.34 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCB68E.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.02.30 Quit sparkeater ("CGI:IRC") 08.06.38 Quit Zarggg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.06.44 Join Zarggg_ [0] (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 08.12.57 Quit liar (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.16.15 # * GodEater wonders why only those 2 targets have that warning 08.17.50 # they are special :p 08.19.38 # they actually are :) is the m3's remote screen handled the same as other targets main screen? 08.20.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.59 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r24233): Get rid of those horrible macros to protect against NULL reference when looking up the id3 info for tokens. ... 08.21.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.21.15 Quit dmb ("Leaving") 08.25.10 # grr... can someone please see what revision checkwps is on the theme site and update it if its not at least 24220? 08.30.31 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r24234): fix red 08.30.54 # tomers: mandelbrot_set.c also needs to see USEGSLIB, hence you need to define it in a .h 08.31.33 # Right now it won't work on any greyscale target. It might even crash 08.32.51 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.33.02 # * amiconn thinks this madelbrot split was committed way too early 08.33.43 # Inline functions in .c files.... this cannot work 08.34.21 # They're meant for speed, but now they're *slowing down* thing. Depending on target this is potentially slower than using C code 08.39.21 # someone want to explain the deltas on my last commit? 08.40.22 # ask bloat-o-meter/objdiff? :) 08.40.38 # yeah, doing 08.40.54 # coldfire is better at something than pp and sh? 08.41.37 # arm and sh i mean of course 08.43.02 # bloat-o-meter only sees a 14byte diff 08.43.16 # JdGordon: depends... on whether you're adding or removing, and what it does. CF can't do shift+logic/arith sequences nearly as efficiently as ARM, and if you're adding or removing code that abuses these, the delta will be larger on CF than ARM.. and a good deal larger on sh i'd think 08.43.16 Join crash91 [0] (n=7ab1b2e9@giant.haxx.se) 08.43.26 # try objdiff? 08.44.21 # same... meh, I dont care that much :) 08.44.53 # make sure you compare the right things? 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Will do that today 11.35.43 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@134.102.106.250) 11.37.52 Join Spaceghost [0] (i=quassel@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 11.40.20 Join Space [0] (i=quassel@unaffiliated/spaceghost) 11.40.24 Join wry_ [0] (n=wry@c-76-17-228-65.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 11.40.42 Quit wry (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.40.51 Quit Space (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.44.47 Nick wry_ is now known as wry (n=wry@c-76-17-228-65.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 11.51.34 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.52.59 Quit wry ("...") 11.56.58 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 12.03.55 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 12.09.15 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 12.11.14 Join watto [0] (n=watto@193.203.81.165) 12.12.27 # Why was mandlebrot renamed? I don't really care, I just don't remember seeing any mention of it before it was done. 12.14.15 # AlexP: looking at the commit log, it's to add other fractals 12.14.33 # hmmm, OK 12.15.10 # I don't care, and this probably makes sense - it just would have expected to see it mentioned first :) 12.15.27 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.15.54 # so, it'll support that 3D mandelbulb thingy soon? 12.19.29 Join rasher [0] (n=rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 12.21.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.21.28 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 12.25.23 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8F233.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.28.14 Join kaniini [0] (n=kaniini6@dyn75-70.yok.fi) 12.28.53 Join knine [0] (n=kaniini6@dyn75-70.yok.fi) 12.29.46 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.29.46 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.30.22 Quit AndyIL (Client Quit) 12.33.44 Quit ChanServ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.33.44 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.33.55 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.33.55 NJoin ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 12.33.55 Mode "#rockbox +o ChanServ " by irc.freenode.net 12.35.10 Join AndyI [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.37.25 Quit AndyI (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.37.26 Join AndyIL [0] (n=pasha_in@212.14.205.32) 12.39.07 # AlexP: Indeed I forgot to explain or document the name change... 12.40.17 # tomers: Yeah, I see why now - I was just surprised to see it at first 12.40.53 # Changing names is always a pain in the arse, as people will now have both Mandelbrot and Fractal 12.41.00 # Can't avoid that though 12.42.06 Quit ChanServ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.42.15 # There are other fractals sets: Julia set, etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set 12.42.48 NJoin ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 12.42.48 Mode "#rockbox +o ChanServ " by irc.freenode.net 12.44.17 # I just want to say that today I will close all related bugs of my work. I've already noticed that screen scrolling doesn't work on ipod4g, and probably on other gray targets as well. My assumption is that it is a simulator bug (that's what I am using). Does anyone of you have a gray LCD target, which can test this? 12.44.36 # At home, but not with me 12.44.48 # What do you mean by screen scrolling? 12.44.53 # i have a clipv1, should I just look if long entries scroll ? 12.45.35 Join Kitar|st [0] (i=Kitr88@BSN-182-66-252.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 12.45.40 # When the user moves, the rect that was already painted is scrolled. See apps/plugins/fractals/fractal.c in plugin_start() 12.46.19 # oh, you mean scrolling in fractal 12.46.33 # funman: I've meant in the fractals plugin. It uses MYXLCD(scroll_down),when #define MYXLCD(fn) grey_ub_ ## fn 12.46.44 # I'll look tonight if you like 12.46.58 # thanks! 12.48.13 Quit kaniini (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.23 # New commit by 03tomers (r24235): Fractals: Fix yellow ... 12.49.26 # tomers: how can i trigger the bug? fractals look fine on clipv 12.50.30 # funman: Does it move and zoom properly? If so, then it is OK. Also check in the simulator, it might be a bug there. 12.52.09 # it moves and zooms properly 12.52.28 # good! 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I have an idea regarding your playlist viewer in WPS. 16.12.13 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.15.53 Part Bagder 16.16.51 Quit pjm0616 (Client Quit) 16.17.10 Join pjm0616 [0] (n=user@61.250.113.98) 16.20.25 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.32 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-246-241.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 16.21.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.26.32 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.28.34 Nick jds2001_ is now known as jds2001 (n=jds2001@fedora/jds2001) 16.29.44 Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@12.169.218.14) 16.37.07 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-247-44.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 16.38.21 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.38.51 Quit nima (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.39.12 # heh, I profiled strlen() 16.40.54 # grml 16.44.35 # grml? 16.45.02 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 16.45.39 Quit teru ("Quit") 16.46.48 Join stooo [0] (n=sto@g226130085.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.53.31 Part LinusN 17.01.26 # a call with short strings needs ~60µs it seems 17.02.19 # which player, clock speed? 17.02.57 # e200 17.03.02 # 30mhz 17.05.11 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.05.27 # it appears to be slower for aligned strings :S 17.07.55 # where is usb_charging defined in the manual? 17.09.05 Quit bmbl ("Bye!") 17.10.52 # huh r24005 screws up the manual 17.11.27 # why exactly was usb_charging disabled on all but 2 targets? 17.11.43 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-244-225.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 17.11.49 Join Horschti [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.13.11 # tomers: can you explain that commit? 17.15.36 # usb_charging seems to be used in two different meanings in the manual... 17.16.10 Join PaulJam [0] (n=Paule@p54BEEAA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.16.31 # alright, it makes sense then. the strlen optimizations for aligned strings makes it slightly slower for short strings, but a lot faster for longer ones 17.16.58 # i.e. r24005 removed one bug by adding another one 17.19.10 # the other meaning is if theres an option to enable/disable it ? 17.19.17 # yes 17.19.31 # the other implementiation which does byte checks until the string is aligned is a lot faster for unaligned strings than our strlen() 17.20.20 # which devices can actually disable USB charging? 17.20.28 # i would think that would be an all or none option 17.21.05 # I'd expect those with HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE, i.e. h300 and nano2g 17.21.41 Quit petur ("work->home") 17.21.51 # I'm not sure what exactly that means on those though 17.27.03 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.57 # for nano2g I believe it means what the proposed patch for the older ipods means: whether to draw 100 or 500 mA from USB 17.29.17 # it seems that it just checks if a device implements usb_charging_enable 17.29.24 # (which means that charging is never actually disabled) 17.30.07 # saratoga: yes, that's what it means in the manual 17.30.26 # at some point i need to write a proposal for how to revise all this stuff 17.30.52 # the differences in capability between devices is too much, and the code i have not yet written which follows usb charging rules properly would complicate it more :( 17.31.01 # how do other targets handle enabling charging? 17.31.08 # they don't 17.31.09 # they don't 17.31.15 # all the other targets do nothing special 17.31.29 # hwusb targets do whatever the hw usb does, obviously 17.31.45 # For the r24005 issue, I think features.txt just needs usb_charging and usb_charging_enable, dependent on HAVE_USB_POWER and HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE, and then the manual can use both in the right places 17.31.56 # swusb targets either always draw 500mA, or always draw 100mA, or always draw whatever the source will provide, or try and do it right but not entirely (gigabeat S) 17.32.21 # i think we need to come up with a better plan for this :) 17.32.53 # since depending on hardware there might be *four* choices for instantaneous behaviour (0/100/500/infinite) and several choices for how to choose between them :( 17.33.17 # most of the ipods have the 100/500 choice, and it's suspected they also have the 0 choice. 17.33.42 # * kugel could make strlen() a lot faster for unaligned long strings, but that would make unaligned short strings a bit slower (aligned strings untouched) 17.35.26 # Torne: but that option is just used to enable or disable charging altogether 17.35.37 # i think all sw charging targets can do that 17.35.44 # No, it's not :) 17.35.44 # i know AMS can 17.35.54 # it's only used on h300 and nano2g 17.35.57 # saratoga: the hardware may be able to do that, but the code doesn't do it 17.36.10 # because the option isn't there on anything else, as you already said :) 17.36.22 # and on nano2g I don't think it *does* disable charging altogether 17.36.32 # i think it just stops it from setting the full power mode 17.36.33 # * kugel thinks it would be worth it, the average case would probably be improved 17.36.35 # * gevaerts still thinks that whoever thought of charging over usb should be locked up 17.37.12 # if it was only one person there probably wouldn't be a mess :p 17.37.24 Quit Horscht (Success) 17.37.37 # they should have thought of it while writing the USB spec, or not at all 17.37.56 # Torne: we have code written to control enabling the USB charger on AMS, its just not exposed outside of /firmware 17.37.59 # kugel: maybe run a build that has counters for all categories? 17.38.05 # saratoga: right. and what are the options? 17.38.17 # can it do all four of 0/100/500/infinite? 17.38.25 # i think its TRUE/FALSE 17.38.31 # gevaerts: even more work? 17.38.55 # OFFON_SETTING(0,usb_charging,LANG_USB_CHARGING,false,"usb charging",NULL), 17.38.57 # Yes, but is that "don't draw any power at all vs draw 500ma" or "draw none vs draw 100ma" or "draw 100ma vs 500ma" or "draw 500ma vs unregulated" etc :) 17.39.22 # there exist devices (not necessarily targets we support now, but embedded devices in general) which can do *all four* of those 17.39.31 # I'm not sure I can do real realistic tests; the counter has limited accuracy 17.40.00 # and there are at least three reasonable user desires for how to charge: "draw minimal/no power because i don't want my laptop battery sucked up, draw power in accordance with th eusb spec so my hardware doesn't melt, draw as much power as possible to charge fast" 17.40.02 # what the reason for exposing this to the user ? 17.40.12 # saratoga: i'm not suggesting exposing this to the user 17.40.20 # i'm just saying that having a setting which is on/off is inadequate 17.40.20 # I currently count µs for like thousand calls. I'm not sure it's accurate enough for single calls 17.40.30 # given that different hardware has wildly varying capabilities 17.40.46 # and given that some of those capabilities violate specs and risk physical damage to the devices involved 17.40.53 # Torne: well if theres no reason to expose it to the user, then HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE should be removed since its only used in the settings menu as far as I can tell 17.41.21 # you are missing the point entirely 17.41.38 # the user may want one of the three things above, or something else 17.42.19 # none of them correspond nicely to a yes/no answer to the question "enable usb charging" 17.42.30 # at least not in a generic way; they do on some targets, maybe 17.42.58 # kugel: I mean, the tests you've done show how expensive various string lengths are, but we basically have no idea about how the lengths are distributed. What I'm suggesting is to change strlen() to collect that data (and only that, no timing tests in the same run) 17.43.10 # And then combine both sets of data to decide 17.43.30 # And finally make sure not to commit this slow debug code :) 17.43.39 # what I did seems faster for medium strings already (length: 15-20 17.43.40 # ) 17.43.58 # I'm doing this within a plugin, don't worry :p 17.44.17 # That's what I was suspecting :) 17.44.29 # no I mean do we actually have a good reason to let users decide how a USB charger works? it seems like a pretty rarely used setting 17.44.59 # saratoga: if you don't, you can't really connect a player that does USB charging to a non-powered hub 17.45.18 # saratoga: at the moment what we do is different on different players, even when it shouldn't be 17.45.30 # some players we charge at full speed even when the USB spec *forbids* this 17.45.38 # some players we don't charge at full speed even when the usb spec allows this 17.45.51 # kugel: but do you have some idea about how long typical strings are? 17.45.52 # and there is no way for the user to control this behaviour 17.46.15 # saratoga: specific example: if I plug a DAP that always charges into my keyboard's internal USB hub my keyboard stops working 17.46.25 # because the hub's safety cutout kills the power to the entire hub including the keyboard 17.46.40 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 17.46.40 # a cheaper piece of hardware might melt :) 17.46.45 # or at least let out the magic smoke. 17.46.56 # gevaerts: no 17.47.09 # so collect that information :) 17.48.00 # bugger :) 17.48.02 # saratoga: another specific example: i've seen people request a no-charging-at-all option before, because they want to use their mp3 player as a disk for a laptop or similar, and they don't want to extend the already perfectly sufficient life of the mp3 player's battery at the expense of the laptop's probably insufficient life 17.48.36 # currently our behaviour is haphazard across different targets, only a few targets give the user control at all, and the user's control doesn't necessarily do what you think it does. 17.48.42 # does that explain the problem? :) 17.55.41 Join _diablo [0] (n=_diablo@c-71-63-155-234.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 17.59.14 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 17.59.30 Quit dfkt ("-= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") 18.03.01 Join jordan`` [0] (n=jordan@78.235.252.137) 18.03.22 Quit jordan` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.05.49 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.07.00 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 18.07.04 Nick jvd_ is now known as jvd (n=syscrash@209.126.180.153) 18.07.47 # there's seems to be an extra ordinary huge strlen call count at boot for strings with len == 2 18.08.18 # it's at 10k+ shortly after boot, but then when using rockbox actually it doesn't go up as fast anymore 18.09.39 # ah 18.09.50 # skin parsing is calling it with 2 so often 18.14.40 Quit saratoga ("Page closed") 18.14.59 Join kramer3d [0] (n=kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 18.16.39 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 18.19.45 Nick tchan1 is now known as tchan (n=tchan@c-67-173-8-246.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.19.58 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 18.20.18 Join robin0800 [0] (n=quassel@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 18.21.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.28.08 # gevaerts: http://imagebin.org/80048 18.28.46 Part maruk 18.32.42 Join pamaury [0] (n=pamaury@ALyon-551-1-39-152.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.33.07 # http://imagebin.org/80049 a bit better readable (without the 10k peak) 18.36.54 # * kugel decides to not do anything 18.37.25 Quit {phoenix} (Remote closed the connection) 18.37.46 # the optimization gives a noticable speed up only for strings > 15, and it appears only a very little percent of strings passed to strlen have such a length 18.38.11 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@75.45.241.62) 18.39.04 Join bmbl [0] (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 18.42.36 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.44.04 # kugel: have you checked for alignment? 18.44.29 Join wry [0] (n=wry@c-76-17-228-65.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 18.44.34 # no 18.45.22 # it might be worth checking if aligned strlen only has the same distribution 18.46.35 Join balug_ [0] (n=dvg@HSI-KBW-095-208-155-207.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 18.46.57 # really? 18.47.36 # hm, not sure 18.51.25 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.03 Quit nimak_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.53.00 # soap: pong, or wait another 40min 18.53.06 Join nima [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-250-92.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 18.53.26 # perfect timing 18.53.43 # (on your part, though it appears with the commit I'm too late) 18.54.19 # Your playlist in WPS idea got me thinking that seeing the /previous/ track would be nice. 18.54.24 Join Sajber^ [0] (n=Sajber@c-0d3771d5.012-155-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 18.55.01 # I assume you could do it the same way, so long as it is in the buffer, but was uncertain what the costs would be of just remembering the last track info regardless of buffer status. 18.55.03 # don't tell anyone, but you can use negative offsets already 18.55.35 # I really wnated to add that, but was having problems getting the id3... it might work, it probbaly wont just yet 18.55.38 # thats on the list 18.56.31 # na, I dont want to touch the buffer at all, if the track isnt there anymore it wouldn't try to remember it 18.56.49 # wouldn't it be possible to alloc a id3 struct on the skin buffer, and copy from the real struct upon TRACKCHANGE event? 18.57.33 # its too late by then 18.57.51 # the issue I see - and perhaps I've missed a conversation on this in the last few days - is that an option has been given to themers which is going to behave inconsistently. 18.58.46 # not really. the bahaviour is consistant with a set of rules 18.59.03 Quit tarnzwerg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.59.29 # If I make a theme showing current track and next track I know what I'm going to get. 19.00.03 # If I make a themes showing current track, next, and third track, the third track may or may not show up depending on buffer status - correct? 19.04.11 # you have 2 text fields to play with, one for if the buffer is there, the second if its not 19.04.16 # * JdGordon back in an hour 19.04.24 # have a look at the demo wps in the thread 19.05.25 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.06.21 Join Strife89 [0] (n=michael@adsl-154-11-130.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.07.54 Join Guest12839 [0] (i=46fe29d2@gateway/web/freenode/x-toowwrgyivpmvgyf) 19.08.01 Part Guest12839 19.22.37 Nick Barahir_ is now known as Barahir (n=jonathan@gssn-5f75780c.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.22.50 Join StealthyXIIGer [0] (n=stealthy@c-68-62-19-6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.30.57 Join TopyMobile_ [0] (n=topy@f049081179.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.33.03 Quit DerPapst ("Leaving.") 19.39.39 Join phanboy4 [0] (n=benji@c-24-98-43-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 19.43.08 Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p4FE8F233.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.45.32 Join JdGordon| [0] (n=Miranda@nat/microsoft/x-ieeggrwhqqdaxnpi) 19.47.05 Join petur [0] (n=peter@d54C6F9B2.access.telenet.be) 19.47.25 Quit TopyMobile (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.19 Quit _diablo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.44 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.49.59 Join _diablo [0] (n=diablo@c-71-63-155-234.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 19.52.12 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 19.52.14 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.52.19 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 19.52.21 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.52.33 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 19.52.38 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 19.53.15 Quit robin0800 (Remote closed the connection) 19.53.55 Join anjaa [0] (i=anjaa@beerhazard.se) 19.55.30 # soap: back 19.56.06 # I dont tihnk its any different to the other tags which show nothing when there is no id3 info avilable 19.56.13 # %i* %I* 19.56.37 # wow - your timing is impeccable today. Just got back to the computer 2 minutes ago. 19.57.32 # The difference is that those /predictably/ "fail" (I hate the negative conitations of fail, but can't think of another word - don't take it as an insult please) 19.57.44 Quit wry ("...") 19.58.47 # They also behave consistently and the lack of info can be remedied by user action (tagging files). The thing about this is that it will show the third track one time, and not the next - depending on buffer status. 19.59.31 Join kugel_ [0] (n=kugel@e178123225.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.59.42 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 19.59.47 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (n=kugel@e178123225.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.00.38 # in that case, the bigger problem should be that you will get blanks if a tag isnt there (genre for example) but the rest are 20.00.57 # if there is no info at all then a second set of tags will be shown (probably just the filename) 20.01.13 # the line looks like %Vp|1|%ia|%fn| 20.01.34 # artist is always shown (or tries to show) if the id3 is loaded, filename otherwise 20.01.49 # if the artist field isnt set, it will be blank 20.02.14 Join panni_ [0] (i=hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de) 20.02.52 # I was going to say "yea, I dig" in a slightly dismissive way - but that doesn't help you understand my lack of understanding. I guess what I am trying to understand (and lord knows you are under no obligation to justify yourself to me of all people (this REALLY is just an attempt to understand, not confront)) 20.03.50 # is (even though the implementation of this is inexpensive, it seems to be the first time there has been a WPS tag which behaves so inconsistently. 20.06.12 # "what I'm trying to understand is..." ? 20.06.38 # close parentheses after "inexpensive" instead of a comma. 20.07.58 # "what I'm trying to understand is..." To be blunt - since when is any binsize cost justified in the name of "features" which behave in an unreliable manner? (blunt but with no insult intended) 20.10.18 # blunt is good :) 20.10.31 # you're saying it shuold have been more expensive or not at all? 20.10.39 # lol 20.11.16 # _asking_ (not saying) Why implement features simply "because we can" if they have dubious merit? 20.11.49 # I disagree with the second part of that :) 20.11.55 Join CaptainKewllll [0] (i=2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-qcpvwkefljwesdgz) 20.11.57 # and "because we can" is what drives human nature 20.12.16 # I mean, I LIKE the ability to show tracks deeper in the playlist - but I can't see using this since it will not /consistently/ show me the Nth track. 20.12.49 # ironically the playlist viewer is more useless with less RAM, and considering the cost it helps rendering itself useless :p 20.12.52 # I may be an arrogant SOB, but I can't believe I'm the only one who feels it isn't worth scripting into a WPS because of that issue. 20.13.31 # ignoring completly that it goes wierd at the end of the playlist. you can set it up to always get the filename, you can always have it showing something 20.14.06 # kugel: that confused me alot 20.14.55 # soap: To be perfectly honest, I *Hate* writing wps code, and this wouldnt want me to go diving either, but I felt it was a really cool idea and would be very useful for those that would use it 20.15.05 # (and i thought it would be more of a challenge than it was :p ) 20.15.29 # size wise, I cant imagine its even close to the amount "wasted" for AA 20.15.37 Quit lostlogic ("leaving") 20.16.11 # maybe you could've waited to see if it's really as cool as you thought 20.16.31 # I'm not arguing against it, but i also doubt I'm ever going to use it 20.16.31 # oh it is! 20.17.11 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 20.17.42 # The distinction my addled mind is drawing, though, (and this is the last time I'll say it) is that AA behaves in a predictable manner (assuming the end user has their half of the bargain done). This behaves in a manner I find inconsistent - and appears that it must (without the whole "read the metadata of tracks not yet buffered") 20.18.37 Join lostlogic [50] (n=lostlogi@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 20.19.26 # not entirely. 20.19.43 # even if AA is setup correctly, it still might not display for buffer reasons 20.19.44 # JdGordon|: my theme shows small parts of the main backdrop in the wps 20.20.11 Quit jd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.20.23 Join jd [0] (n=jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 20.20.39 # strangely though, if I move the set_backdrop() part in the if (restore) part into enter_wps(), then it works ... and enter_wps() is also called in the if (restore) part! 20.20.39 # but yes, you are correct that it acts differently to everything else, but its also the only one which can take skin code as inputs, so it has to 20.21.03 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 20.21.06 Join amiconn_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.21.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.21.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.21.31 Quit pixelma (Nick collision from services.) 20.21.33 Join pixelma_ [0] (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.21.51 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (i=quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.23.26 # soap: also, I really think that anyone who is smart enuogh to be able to write up a wps, and understands the need to do %?It<%It> will understand why this works how it does 20.23.40 # thank you, JdGordon, (who is nick "jd"? 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This is what r24005 probably should have been 20.35.03 # Why is the themes.db suddenly not writable by the themes user on the theme site 20.35.07 Join p3tur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.35.08 # scorche: mind helping out here? 20.36.45 Join nimak_ [0] (n=nima@adsl-75-45-243-99.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.37.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.40.07 # scorche: chown themes:www-data private/themes.db; chmod 770 private/themes.db 20.42.26 # Where does the delta in r24238 come from? That should not have changed any code 20.43.40 # bloat-o-meter 20.43.58 # surely that doesn't *cause* bloat? ;) 20.44.04 # maybe language related 20.44.40 # shouldn't be. That feature is only used in the manual as far as I can see 20.44.56 # * gevaerts hopes to know soon 20.46.04 # rasher: lemme have a look 20.46.58 # scorche|sh: It's obstructing the cronjob that should've updated with checkwps results 20.47.21 # it seems to be language. Why? 20.47.42 # I don't think we have many manual only features 20.48.20 # you could look at any language that is somewhat up-to-date and see where usb_* is used 20.48.44 # gah, I didn't look properly 20.48.47 # * gevaerts is an idiot 20.48.48 # gevaerts: maybe more targets get the langs marked with usb_charging now? 20.49.27 # rasher: how bad is it for lang files if a feature gets renamed? Will strings change? 20.49.46 # gevaerts: if you change the langfiles accordingly, there's no issue 20.49.48 # afaik 20.49.52 # ok 20.50.02 # rasher: done 20.51.08 Quit nima (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.20 Quit kugel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.51.43 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.51.56 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r24239): Also change usb_charging to usb_charging_enable in the lang files 20.52.48 Quit TopyMobile_ ("Ex-Chat") 20.54.09 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.54.29 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.54.30 Quit kugel (Nick collision from services.) 20.54.36 Join kugel [0] (n=kugel@e178122082.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.57.06 Join dantje_ [0] (n=dvg@HSI-KBW-095-208-155-207.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 20.58.25 Part watto 20.58.31 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.06 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 21.01.03 Join NaughtyGirl85 [0] (i=bgd@77.222.24.116) 21.01.29 Quit NaughtyGirl85 (Remote closed the connection) 21.07.51 Join Oxymis_ [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 21.08.30 Quit Oxymis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.12.40 Quit Horscht ("Verlassend") 21.25.57 Quit kugel (Remote closed the connection) 21.32.33 Quit _diablo ("Leaving") 21.38.00 Join amigan_ [0] (i=dcp1990@pool-96-233-148-187.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) 21.43.55 Quit dantje_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.46.26 Join funman [0] (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 21.48.52 # bertrik: could you test on your c200v2 the patches i posted on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23263.msg160679#msg160679 ? 21.51.39 # rasher: :'( 21.54.40 Quit funman ("Lost terminal") 22.01.19 Quit stooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.02.09 Join froggyman [0] (n=sopgenor@pool-72-69-205-209.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.02.11 # Any fuze owners? 22.02.36 # Do you check the OF version with Settings --> System Info? 22.05.41 # not regularly 22.06.37 # hehe :) 22.06.44 # You know full well what I mean :) 22.08.19 # System Settings according to google 22.09.37 # I can double check for you when i get home, if you remind me 22.09.54 # Cheers - I'm pretty confident that is correct 22.10.19 # I'll stick it in anyway as a testament to my confidence :) 22.12.07 # New commit by 03alex (r24240): Add note about the unsupported v2 model to the Fuze manual. 22.15.40 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.15.50 Quit Oxymis_ ("No Ping reply in 180 seconds.") 22.16.11 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 22.21.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.22.24 Join GeekShadow [0] (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 22.31.00 # New commit by 03saratoga (r24241): Clarify boot to OF on USB insert for Sansa AMS to make clear that the player will always boot to the OF on USB power up. 22.31.10 Quit Oxymis ("No Ping reply in 180 seconds.") 22.31.30 Join Oxymis [0] (n=quassel@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 22.33.01 Quit CaptainKewllll (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.33.01 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 22.33.01 Quit evilnick (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22.42.20 Join nookupeous [0] (n=d86ae5cc@giant.haxx.se) 22.43.20 # has any more progress been made on the ipod 6G using that vulnerability? 22.44.15 # 0 progress is still 0 progess 22.44.27 Quit bertrik ("De groeten") 22.51.02 Join evilnick [0] (n=0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 22.53.42 # New commit by 03saratoga (r24242): Apparently my text editor puts tabes in .tex files. 22.56.33 Quit nookupeous ("CGI:IRC") 22.59.27 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.03.54 NHeal (timeout) niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.25.04 Quit evilnick ("CGI:IRC") 23.34.01 Join perfectdrug [0] (n=5b0ee648@giant.haxx.se) 23.35.06 # hi:) why is it that the themes site just shows themes for the e200v1 but not for the v2 player? 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