--- Log for 17.03.110 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 9 hours ago 00.02.47 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.3.44) 00.03.06 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Client Quit) 00.05.16 Quit jd (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.05.33 Join jd [0] (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.05.33 Quit jd (Changing host) 00.05.34 Join jd [0] (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) 00.07.12 Join phiibuster [0] (~ce7c07c5@giant.haxx.se) 00.07.12 Join sevv [0] (sev@216.164.6.24) 00.07.53 # pamaury: being able to resume a playlist, and be able to save the search would be awesome 00.08.01 # instead of adding each track manually 00.08.08 # so it works more like the file browser 00.08.58 # Hi guys, I'm glad this exists. I've been using rockbox on my 4th gen greyscale ipod for about 6 months ago. This morning it was in my pocket and the hold button wasn't on. When I looked at it I was in some sort of bios boot menu, I hit play trying to find a quit button and it clicked on "Wheel" and rebooted... now my wheel doesn't work to navigate the menus. I've spent an hour looking around in the manual and the wiki for what that was... is this RoLo? How do 00.09.01 # hum, resuming playlist has to do with tagcache ? 00.09.23 # and what do you mean by save the search ? 00.10.45 # when you build a playlist from the db each track is added seperatly. when you do a dirplay from the file browser a single line gets added to the playlist control file 00.10.58 Quit bertrik (Quit: good night!) 00.11.28 # sevv: That sounds likely to be Apple's "diagnostics mode". It shouldn't break anything though - just hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod (if you haven't already). 00.11.49 # ah ok, I don't know if there is a simple *fix* for this but I can have a look 00.12.08 # linuxstb: I've tried this but after I reboot I still can't use the wheel. 00.12.24 # linuxstb: I can click buttons on the wheel, I just can't spin my finger on it to navigate menus. 00.13.03 # I admit that my curreny concern is understanding why the hell tagcache contains so much code for something that seems no so complex. The code seems to be always the same but slighly different, it drives me mad, it's horrible to understand 00.13.50 # linuxstb: the font was huge, there were 5 or 6 things to select on it, the first being Wheel 00.14.53 # sevv: Reset again, then hold SELECT+LEFT - that should take you back there. But I wouldn't have expected that to have made any permanent changes. 00.15.19 # linuxstb: interesting! it now says IRAMPASS HIT PLAY CONTINUE 00.16.23 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.16.55 # WTF 00.17.03 # http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=151974 00.17.08 # Good point - the fact that the clickwheel is the only place where liquids can enter. I think the reason my was/is having trouble is because when I clean the outside I might have used too much windex once. It's actually been totally fine lately... I just clicked the hold button back and forth a lot as opposed to just once and it has been working with no problems.. 00.17.11 # Is the daily build archive down? I upgraded rockbox on my Fuzev1 and now it won't play, which is documented in FS11114. I'm looking to downgrade to the last working version, which might help in finding the offending commit 00.17.18 # ^^ A users post from that page 00.17.27 # clicking hold once back and forth doesn't do anything 00.17.33 # doing it many times... now my wheel works 00.17.39 # is this a pretty common hardware problem? :| 00.18.11 # phiibuster: apparently it is... 00.18.18 Quit AusShir (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.18.29 Join AusShir [0] (~Owner@67-225-122-155.nbfr.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) 00.18.33 # that's so weird. 00.19.18 # gevaerts: great... I guess I'll use the OF for now. 00.19.40 # phiibuster: the latest release should work 00.20.00 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-175.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.20.30 # gevaerts: sure. 00.20.40 # so weird. 00.20.57 # Does anyone know of a theme for the 4gen ipod greyscale that looks like the ipod theme ;) 00.21.06 # phiibuster: I wonder if this could be related to FS#11107, in which case checking the filesyste might help 00.21.14 # i don't mean to rip anybody off, but it has a nice big font and my eyes suck. 00.21.16 # Hmm, does anyone else have a M:Robe 100? 00.21.39 # RadicalR: I have one. I don't really use it though 00.21.49 # I have a quick question. 00.21.55 # Hopefully, you can answer it. 00.22.07 # When I start it and check the battery life 00.22.15 # it says 100% 150h 00.22.33 # Is that for real or was the thing never benchmarked properly? 00.22.55 # update your build 00.23.05 # It was never benchmarked properly I suppose. The problem is that it's tricky to find people with a reasonably new battery 00.23.06 # It's the most up to date. 00.23.22 # Ouch. Yeah, this one is pretty old. 00.23.37 # Forums says about 6 hours, which is pretty decent. 00.23.51 # Then again that was 2 years ago.. 00.24.08 # Unless you have a reasonably new battery, benchmarks aren't really reliable enough for calibration 00.24.38 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.24.40 # I probably could get a new battery off of ebay. 00.25.05 # There are people still selling m:robe stuff. 00.25.52 # Well, it's just the remaining time estimate that will be off. It won't actually shutdown earlier because of the missing data 00.26.11 Quit Schmogel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 00.26.16 Quit killan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.26.21 Join killan [0] (~nnscript@c-38fd70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 00.26.36 # gevaerts: checked both SD and internal memory, no errors. 00.27.16 # ok, one of the AMS people will have to look at it then I guess 00.27.25 # * pamaury really doesn't understand HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS, there is strange code out there 00.27.26 Join CaptainKewl [0] (~jason@207-237-107-203.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 00.28.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.28.20 # gevaerts: thanks for trying to help. 00.29.35 Quit Farthen (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.29.44 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@gate-22.spsu.edu) 00.29.46 Quit ender` (Quit: Be nice to the USA, or they'll bring you democracy.) 00.31.18 Quit AusShir (Quit: Leaving.) 00.35.24 # oh dear 00.35.27 # saratoga: I just say that because when I tried to work with libfaad, it was a scary experience ! Otoh, codecs from ffmpeg tend to be well organised. 00.35.34 # I can't get this lcd driver for the fuzev2 to work 00.36.35 # mt: yeah i like the ffmpeg layout better, but libfaad is not actually so bad once you get used to it 00.36.45 # mostly the problem is that the aac format is needlessly complicated 00.38.54 # what was the problem with libflac anyway? 00.39.01 # flac is such an efficient format how is it so bad? 00.44.40 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 00.45.52 # saratoga: It's layer-upon-layer of API, trying to be C++ in C. 00.46.28 # So it's very easy for an app to integrate it, but not very efficient. 00.46.36 # linuxstb: the API slows the codec down by a factor of several though? 00.47.23 # on the fuze we get better battery life then the OF, which means they're probably running the clock at least 3x higher then us to decode flac files 00.48.41 # Well, something did... At the time, Coldfire was the main target, so I think the cache misses due to larger code size may have been an issue. IIRC, the entire ffmpeg decoder fits in IRAM on Coldfire. 00.50.38 Quit CGL (Quit: Saliendo) 00.51.03 Join clone4crw [0] (~602a5eea@giant.haxx.se) 00.51.36 Quit clone4crw (Client Quit) 00.52.16 Quit killan (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 00.54.10 Join killan [0] (~nnscript@c-38fd70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 00.54.15 Quit chaos (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 00.54.49 Join chaos [0] (~chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 00.57.02 Quit checker (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 00.58.09 Join planetbeing_ [0] (~planetbei@c-71-236-164-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.59.05 Join boxy [0] (~boxy@96-42-94-234.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) 00.59.40 Quit boxy (Client Quit) 01.11.55 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 01.15.14 Quit pamaury (Quit: Page closed) 01.23.16 Quit adnyxo (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.29.37 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 01.30.18 Join adnyxo [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 01.31.31 # saratoga: we are what? 01.31.59 # the OF gets over 22h, we're getting much less 01.33.38 Part toffe82 01.42.38 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 01.43.15 Quit phiibuster (Quit: CGI:IRC) 01.43.39 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 01.46.18 Quit hebz0rl (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.48.04 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r25226): Buildserver: block frederico-dannya due to failed builds 01.50.34 Quit komputes (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.02.02 Quit flyasky (Quit: Bye!) 02.04.00 Quit shaggy-h (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.04.16 # ouch? 02.07.27 # kugel: With FLAC? 02.07.59 # well, I haven't checked flac 02.08.32 # but I can't imagine they are worse then we with flac when they are at least 50% better with mp3 02.08.37 Join shaggy-h [0] (~kiwi@78-86-164-31.zone2.bethere.co.uk) 02.14.25 Quit chaos (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 02.14.51 Join chaos [0] (~chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 02.23.08 Join Casainho [0] (~chatzilla@87.196.41.16) 02.28.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.31.45 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 02.38.11 # kugel: for flac 02.38.25 # they get something like 40% of the mp3 runtime for flac 02.42.33 Quit adnyxo (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.43.17 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r25227): M66591 Driver: Correct some comments. 02.44.04 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 02.44.22 # New commit by 03kkurbjun (r25228): M:Robe 500 - Improve YUV blit speed. 02.50.01 # Oh sweet. A update for the M:Robe 500 02.50.13 # *An 02.59.30 Quit perfectdrug (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.59.54 Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0ED743.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.01.02 Quit perfectdrug (Client Quit) 03.11.30 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.13.08 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-253-82.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 03.13.56 Quit Casainho (Read error: Operation timed out) 03.16.26 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 03.20.37 Quit piotrekm (Quit: piotrekm) 03.28.23 # funman: (for the logs) e200v2 will not boot since r25198, also problems with fuze - see FS#11114 03.29.12 # ^^ fuze v1 03.37.01 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 03.40.09 Quit DV (Write error: Connection reset by peer) 03.40.24 Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.244) 03.41.21 Quit phanboy4 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.50.11 Join froggyman [0] (~sopgenort@pool-72-69-76-103.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.52.30 Join planetbeing__ [0] (~planetbei@c-71-236-164-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.53.54 Quit planetbeing_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.56.10 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.03.34 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 04.13.40 Part froggyman 04.19.39 Join clone4crw [0] (~602a5eea@giant.haxx.se) 04.21.20 # hello all 04.22.39 Join piepiepie [0] (~colson@adsl-222-183-164.clt.bellsouth.net) 04.23.38 Join simabeis_ [0] (~simabeis@lobmenschen.de) 04.23.56 Join rvvs89_ [0] (robotnik@bright-snat.ucc.asn.au) 04.24.02 # Hello 04.26.32 Quit piepiepie (Client Quit) 04.26.55 # Hey could I have write permissions for the Wiki? Thanks. 04.28.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.31.34 Quit pjm0616 (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit rvvs89 (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit flyback (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit preglow (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit simabeis (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit advcomp2019_ (*.net *.split) 04.31.34 Quit soap (*.net *.split) 04.31.47 Join pjm0616 [0] (~user@61.250.113.98) 04.31.52 Join preglow [0] (thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no) 04.31.58 Join flyback [0] (~teac@c-98-219-129-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 04.31.59 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 04.32.00 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.34.18 Join Tomis2 [0] (~Tomis@70.134.98.174) 04.34.32 Quit Tomis (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.34.32 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (~Tomis@70.134.98.174) 04.36.52 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@gssn-5f756d76.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.40.33 Quit Barahir_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.45.47 Join saratogalab [0] (~9803c20d@giant.haxx.se) 04.46.10 # clone4crw: whats your wiki name 04.46.49 # CalvinWalden 04.48.18 Quit anewuser () 04.49.37 # clone4crw: done 04.51.17 # hmm I seem to have broken the wiki 04.51.46 # it really doesn't like being edited in the WYSIWYG editor 04.52.45 # Bagder: when you get a chance could you fix the wikiusersgroup page? 04.53.33 # saratogalab: thanks! 04.55.29 Quit saratogalab (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 04.55.31 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCBAB8.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.58.48 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05.00.27 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 05.05.18 Quit CaptainKewl (Remote host closed the connection) 05.12.01 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.12.26 Join Strife89 [0] (~michael@adsl-154-2-161.mcn.bellsouth.net) 05.12.30 # mc2739: what happens on e200v2: black screen ? panic? 05.14.38 # i can reproduce the random behaviour described in FS#11114 (no data abort yet though) 05.15.21 Quit clone4crw (Quit: CGI:IRC) 05.22.15 # funman: I get similar panic messages to FS#11114 right after firmware (2nd) logo 05.22.33 # commenting line 62 of crt0.S fixes it ? 05.23.48 # seems to do it on my fuze 05.24.45 # I did not try that, I bisected a working build (r25169) and currecnt and found that r25198 was the first that caused the panic 05.25.11 Join calman [0] (~caleb@dhcp-064-247-073-038.sg3.ohiou.edu) 05.25.53 # i'm not sure what happens: sp should be uninitialized at this point (set by the bootloader), and we only store the return value on entering memory_init and restore it after mmu is enabled 05.26.02 # s/panic/data abort/ 05.29.50 Quit calman (Client Quit) 05.31.47 # in which function is the abort? 05.32.14 Join crh0872 [0] (~crh0872@dhcp-064-247-073-038.sg3.ohiou.edu) 05.32.23 # find_handle for me 05.34.13 # commenting line 62 does allow it to boot 05.38.19 # with r25228 - data abort at 300505fc - according to map file 0x300503f0 -> wakeup_thread 05.39.20 # previously sp would point into iram 05.39.37 Quit crh0872 (Quit: crh0872) 05.41.22 Join calman [0] (~anonymous@dhcp-064-247-073-038.sg3.ohiou.edu) 05.42.03 # wait, i found a closer match - 0x3005054c -> create_thread 05.42.27 # it's almost identical to fuze layout 05.45.11 # if i make sp point somewhere in iram => OK, point to irq_stack => OK 05.47.22 # anyway memory_init should be written in crt0.S 05.49.30 # still i don't get what happens :( 05.52.49 Join planetbeing_ [0] (~planetbei@c-71-236-164-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.54.45 Quit planetbeing__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05.57.53 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 06.02.44 # New commit by 03funman (r25229): as3525*: revert r25198 and inline memory_init in crt0.S ... 06.03.04 # mc2739: does this commit work for you too ? 06.03.11 Quit rvvs89_ (Changing host) 06.03.11 Join rvvs89_ [0] (robotnik@pdpc/supporter/base/rvvs89) 06.03.17 Nick rvvs89_ is now known as rvvs89 (robotnik@pdpc/supporter/base/rvvs89) 06.03.39 # BlastTyrant: (for you as well) 06.07.20 # * funman removed e200v2 & fuzev1 from the forum thread title 06.09.24 # funman: yes, it works with r25229 06.10.43 # New commit by 03funman (r25230): as3525: Fix previous commit, IRAM_ORIG can not be represented as an immediate value on targets with 2MB of ram 06.15.58 # nice green delta for nano2g ! 06.17.31 # funman: r25229 works for me 06.18.08 # nice, sorry for the trouble :) 06.20.45 Quit arbingordon (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.21.21 Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 06.25.02 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.26.22 Quit calman (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.28.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.29.18 Quit arbingordon (Quit: `) 06.30.04 # strangely synopsys distribute their usb driver with very permissive license 06.30.44 Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 06.31.15 Quit parafin (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.33.27 Join parafin [0] (parafin@parafin.static.corbina.ru) 06.40.17 Join kkurbjun [0] (~kkurbjun@rockbox/developer/kkurbjun) 06.41.18 # Is the wiki broken? I cannot edit any pages.. 06.41.52 # I double checked that I have not been removed from the wikiusers group.. 06.45.13 # saratoga mentioned something about usergroups i think 06.47.28 # ahh, I see that 06.47.31 # thanks 06.47.38 # I just looked at the logs 06.48.40 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 06.55.32 # imo "normal" edit is quite unusable, i always use raw edit 06.56.40 # yeah, agreed, I prefer the basic text editor rather than wysiwyg 07.08.26 Quit sevv (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07.22.51 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.79.133.232) 07.28.05 # * funman can set some bits in the fuze usb registers 07.29.31 Quit planetbeing_ (Quit: planetbeing_) 07.29.33 # gevaerts: we don't use USB On-The-Go in rockbox, right? 07.31.46 # no 07.37.53 Quit mrkiko (Quit: Lost terminal) 07.47.14 Join sevv [0] (sev@216.164.6.24) 07.50.14 Join |DaMaGeD| [0] (~dam@85.26.234.11) 07.56.40 Quit |DaMaGeD| (Quit: used jmIrc) 07.56.50 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 08.00.36 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08.05.46 Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.243) 08.07.11 Quit DV (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 08.08.46 Quit part (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.11.46 Join flydutch [0] (~flydutch@host83-164-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.13.28 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.13.36 Quit DV_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08.15.10 Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.246) 08.24.37 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.24.38 Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.28.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.32.00 Quit kadoban (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.35.33 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.37.03 Quit DV (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 08.43.52 Join kadoban [0] (~mud@cpe-67-247-80-129.rochester.res.rr.com) 08.53.20 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.01.13 Join ArmandiuxGS [0] (Jozhy@189.221.125.217.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) 09.01.35 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 09.01.54 # hey, whats happend with the current build package of iPod Nano 2G? 09.02.04 # is incomplete? 09.04.24 # ArmandiuxGS: missing files? that might explain the green delta 09.05.05 # It looks like an Ondio build... 09.06.03 # ArmandiuxGS: Just use the "daily build" instead - that what have been built around the same time. 09.07.11 # there isnt the "rockbox.ipod" file, and there is a "ajbrec.ajz" file 09.07.26 # archos jukebox? 09.08.23 Join TheSeven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 09.10.56 # ArmandiuxGS: See what linuxstb just said 09.13.07 # is the "daily build", 'r25230' 09.15.56 # but, forgetit, thank you funman, linuxstb and AlexP... I will use the archived build of Rockbox Utility (r25228) 09.16.08 # for now 09.16.18 # I will wait a good build... 09.16.20 # but 09.16.21 # ArmandiuxGS: That is the most recent daily build (r25228) 09.16.24 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano2g/rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip 09.16.44 # daily = archived? 09.16.53 # yes 09.16.57 # :S 09.17.14 # daily builds are just the current build at a specific time each day 09.17.15 # and the current is the r25230, no? 09.17.25 # The current build is rebuilt on every source code change 09.17.37 # yes 09.17.47 # ok 09.17.49 # ^^ 09.18.26 # but, why is there a "ajbrec.ajz" file in the current build of iPod Nano 2G? 09.18.41 # I imagine because a build client is screwed up 09.18.49 # lol 09.18.50 # ok 09.18.56 # thankyuo everybody! 09.19.15 # good work 09.19.41 # Or it was copied to the wrong place when the server got it back 09.19.45 # Something like that 09.19.59 # I guess Zagor or Bagder need to have a shufti :) 09.20.40 # is for an Archos Jukebox Recorder, no? 09.21.09 # No, an Archos Ondio 09.21.18 # ok 09.21.21 # :) 09.21.25 # see rockbox-info.txt in the .rockbox directory 09.21.34 # thank you so much 09.21.35 # ok 09.21.41 # see you later 09.21.48 Join DerPapst [0] (~DerPapst@p5099d40e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.21.48 # no worries, sorry for the mess up :) 09.21.55 # ^^ 09.22.22 Quit ArmandiuxGS (Quit: Saliendo) 09.22.44 Quit CGL (Quit: Saliendo) 09.23.27 Quit arbingordon (Quit: `) 09.23.52 # New commit by 03amiconn (r25231): Make helper functions static. 09.27.02 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.27.53 Quit phanboy4 (Quit: Leaving) 09.29.03 # * amiconn is scared by those large, arbitrary binsize fluctiuations 09.29.29 # Zagor: Are the builds actually broken, or is it a glitch in the binsize scripts? 09.29.36 # looking at this mornings log, it might be a different build 09.29.48 # It is, it's an Ondio build 09.29.50 # * pixelma adds an ' 09.30.21 # that's pretty weird 09.30.40 # Although the log shows a nano2g build was made - http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=25230;type=ipodnano2g 09.32.14 # * linuxstb is shocked at the difference in binsize between an ondio and a Nano though... 09.33.29 # an OndioSP or FM? 09.33.50 # I guess the screen makes a big difference and hwcodec vs swcodec 09.33.51 # SP I think 09.34.49 # and Rockbox USB 09.37.29 # nano is colour swcodec, ondio is mono hwcodec... why would the binsizes be expected to be close? 09.37.38 # also 2MB vs >16MB RAM 09.37.39 # Also arm code isn't very space efficient 09.38.18 # linuxstb: where do you see that it was an ondio build? 09.38.51 # the log tells me by looking into the downloadable zip 09.39.20 # and its rockbox-info.txt 09.39.31 # Yes, the zip file is an ondio build - as pixelma said... 09.39.32 # which log? the downloadable zip is now overwritten by the proper ipod build 09.39.53 # the zip contains .rockbox/rockbox.ipod 09.40.07 # The zip I downloaded of 25230 was an ondio build, but called rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip 09.40.21 # ah, you grabbed it before. ok. 09.41.35 Join liar [0] (~liar@213162066158.public.t-mobile.at) 09.41.55 # Zagor: #rockbox log 09.42.23 # someone was here who couldn't update his Nano 2nd gen 09.42.28 Join wodz [0] (~57cef004@giant.haxx.se) 09.44.29 # the buildmaster log doesn't show anything unusual. I wonder what's causing this. possibly it's the same bug that causes the "missing log file" blocks. 09.44.55 # *PANIC* USB interrupt ! \o/ 09.46.17 Quit planetbeing (Quit: Poof.) 09.51.25 # hello, where is code to animate usblogo? The icon is in apps/bitmaps/native/usblogo.* and where it is used? greping for usblogo string gives no hit 09.52.31 # and second question - what do functions lcd_blit_grey_phase() and lcd_blit_mono() ? 09.53.29 # apps/gui/usb_screen.c contains "usblogo" 09.53.39 # hmm 09.54.03 # wodz: these function draw greyscale images on monochrome screens 09.54.19 # linuxstb: in did 09.54.44 # funman: so why this is needed on 2bit display target? 09.55.17 # To provide more than 4 levels 09.55.36 # But it's only available in plugins, using the greyscale lib. 09.56.01 # yes, but it is compiled anyway even with make bin 09.56.23 # Those are driver-level functions. They are only used in plugins though. 09.56.26 # make bin compiles all the plugin library (functions used by plugins) 09.56.41 # is there any documentation how this functions work? 10.00.04 # looks like there's only the source code 10.00.51 # :-( 10.05.53 # New commit by 03funman (r25232): Fuze: correct usb pid 10.06.21 Join Tomis2 [0] (~Tomis@70.134.74.147) 10.08.43 Quit Tomis (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.08.43 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (~Tomis@70.134.74.147) 10.12.54 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.26.03 Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 10.28.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.41.25 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 10.54.24 Join Strife1989 [0] (~michael@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 10.57.45 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.12.41 Quit wodz (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 11.41.35 Quit anewuser () 11.56.01 # funman: i don't think you should ever be using lcd_blit_grey_phase directly anyway - just use the lcd_ functions in greylib, there are versions of most of the more familiar functions there 12.13.32 Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-069-073.nc.res.rr.com) 12.17.57 # New commit by 03uchida (r25233): text viewer plugin applies patches FS#8445, FS#9546, FS#9853, FS#9855, FS#9892, FS#9893, FS#9898, FS#9902, and FS#9990. 12.18.41 Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.2) 12.20.16 Quit RadicalR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.21.44 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.24.08 Join Farthen [0] (~chatzilla@e179236017.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.26.37 Quit Strife1989 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.27.03 Join Strife1989 [0] (~michael@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 12.27.31 # New commit by 03uchida (r25234): fix red 12.28.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.30.10 Join fred_99 [0] (~fred@195.6.173.23) 12.30.19 # hi 12.32.21 # I compiled rockboxui on my laptop and can you tell me where I can put theme modified .... under simdisk/.rockbox ? 12.34.32 # yes 12.34.47 # thanks 12.36.20 # funman: I already have a battery_bench file and the second with back-light is coming soon, can you tell me how to post it ? 12.42.37 # New commit by 03uchida (r25235): Ondavx747/777 fix red. 12.46.53 Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.52.44 # New commit by 03uchida (r25236): manual:text viewer plugin updates. 12.52.53 # wow, the FAT code is really lazy concerning long entries, it basically doesn't check anything. 12.53.01 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.04.57 Join liar_ [0] (~liar@213162073208.public.telering.at) 13.05.22 Quit liar (Disconnected by services) 13.05.24 Nick liar_ is now known as liar (~liar@213162073208.public.telering.at) 13.06.30 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 13.08.49 # pamaury: ah, you're trying to kill those sector buffers? 13.09.05 # yes 13.10.22 # At the time, I think the fat code should check much more things about long name entries but it also break compatibility if some OSes have broken fat drivers 13.11.36 # My code will use one sector (SECTOR_SIZE) + a long name buffer (255*2) 13.12.08 # I don't know if it can be done with less. 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The same is not working in sansa e260v2 player 13.18.03 Quit liar (Quit: Verlassend) 13.18.51 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-067-196-106.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.19.15 Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos) 13.20.31 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.20.37 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 13.23.53 Join watto [0] (~watto@193.203.81.165) 13.25.31 Join shai_ [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 13.26.13 Quit shai (Disconnected by services) 13.26.23 Nick shai_ is now known as shai (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 13.27.15 # kugel: dunno 13.27.36 # see the forum thread where i discuss with FlynDice (a bit afk atm, sorry) 13.29.20 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 13.30.57 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.32.53 Join pondlife [0] (~Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 13.33.26 Nick Connor1|Homework is now known as Connor1 (~Connor@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) 13.40.11 Join froggymana [0] (~187b533e@giant.haxx.se) 13.42.18 Quit funman (Quit: free(random());) 13.57.44 # hehe, time to check my new fat code, it will be probably be a miserable failure :) Only 3 minutes left before going back to work 14.00.19 # omg, even worse than expected :) 14.04.02 # * amiconn thinks that a single longname buffer won't work 14.04.21 # one per fat_dir 14.04.29 # the same for the sector cache 14.04.35 Part rajendrau 14.04.47 # I don't see a reason for this to fail 14.04.58 # Just a matter of programming it without bugs :ā) 14.06.56 # amiconn: could you explain why you think so ? 14.08.16 # What if more than one thread is accessing the disk at the same time? 14.08.38 # One per fat_dir should work. A global one won't 14.09.09 # a global won't work, of course, I agree in this point 14.09.15 # *with 14.09.41 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.3.224) 14.12.18 Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 14.15.43 # oops, what a stupid bug, I was reading the same entry over and over :) 14.16.39 # hehe, it works 14.16.47 # at least it seems :) 14.19.46 # can you tell me how to simulate a reboot on the rockboxui ? 14.20.12 # fred_99: I think you have to quit it and relaunch it 14.20.14 Quit Strife1989 (Quit: Leaving.) 14.20.27 # ok for the database ? 14.20.40 # pamaury: ok thanks 14.22.00 # pamaury: i was also saying that you need that 510-byte buffer plus a sector, per dir. the sector buffer could be removed from the directory struct if we would implement a global sector cache 14.22.27 # and also what is the select key ..... 5 is written but doesn't seem to work ? 14.23.22 # TheSeven: I'm about to put a patch on flyspray, so keep an eye open and have a look at it. currently I'm using one sector per dir plus one 255*2 byte buffer (per dir also) 14.25.10 # sorry for this question 14.26.58 # TheSeven, amiconn: FS#11118 for fat driver 14.27.06 # * pamaury goes back to work now :) 14.28.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.32.55 Join evilnick_B [0] (~0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 14.42.10 # is there a size limit on sd cards i can use with rockbox in a sansa e260? 14.42.39 # I try to do a database init on my rockboxui , I go on database, then chose select at buid question, then it says reboot, I quit rockboxui, then launch it again and seg fault, then launch again and there is no database. 14.42.48 # anybody have a clue ? 14.43.27 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se) 14.44.30 Quit JdGordon (Quit: Leaving.) 14.46.01 # linuxguy3: No, Rockbox supports SDHC which the Sansa OF does not. So you can use them in Rockbox but not the OF 14.48.15 Join Schmogel [0] (~Miranda@p3EE21A98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.49.07 # ok 14.49.18 # so any sdhc card should work in rockbox then 14.49.49 Quit froggymana (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 14.53.30 # linuxguy3: Yep 14.53.47 Quit moos (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.54.53 # thx 14.57.07 # the uisimulator web page says "esc,a" for off. but I can't make it work. any idea ? 14.58.24 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.116.196.getinternet.no) 15.02.15 Part LinusN 15.03.13 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p5485A023.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.03.15 Quit JohannesSM64 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15.11.14 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.12.16 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.16.20 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-249-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 15.20.46 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15.21.31 Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.32) 15.21.57 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.75.42.getinternet.no) 15.24.34 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 15.27.41 Quit Kitr88 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.28.07 Join Kitr88 [0] (Kitr88@89.142.236.173) 15.30.20 Quit mikroflops_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 15.32.19 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@90-224-30-68-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 15.37.53 # New commit by 03zagor (r25237): Unblocked frederico-dannya 15.39.12 Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.45.38 Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0EFD73.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.58.44 # I have two battery_bench files to submit for the X5 (not L) ..... can anybody tell me how to do ? 16.08.07 Quit JohannesSM64 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.10.36 # fred_99: Do you have access to the Wiki? 16.12.24 # evilnick_B: yes ..... but I didn't found how to do .... I registered .... but if you can give me the good link 16.13.12 # fred_99: What's your Wiki name? I'll add you to the group so that you can attach the benchmarks 16.13.54 # FredericCambray 16.14.44 # evilnick_B: thanks 16.16.03 # fred_99: You should be able to edit now, let me know if not 16.16.28 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA5046.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.17.03 # evilnick_B: I try and tell you 16.18.00 Quit bmbl (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.20.03 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 16.22.02 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.75.42.getinternet.no) 16.22.04 Join zz_shiretoko [0] (shiretoko@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) 16.22.06 Nick zz_shiretoko is now known as shiretoko (shiretoko@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) 16.23.08 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 16.24.44 Nick shiretoko is now known as zasxae (shiretoko@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) 16.25.14 Nick zasxae is now known as zz_zasxae (shiretoko@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) 16.26.57 # fred_99: if you didn't solve your sim problem, trigger a disk access, by for example playing a music file before shutting down after initing the database 16.27.39 # nls: thanks I'm going to try 16.28.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.29.11 Nick zz_zasxae is now known as shiretoko (shiretoko@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) 16.29.21 # evilnick_B: I tried to upload to files but I'm not sure anything happens 16.29.58 # evilnick_B: I guess I could see my two battery_bench files on the web page 16.30.12 Part shiretoko 16.30.51 # fred_99: I can see one of them on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IAudioRuntime but could you add the results to the table (like the other examples)? 16.31.15 # evilnick_B: I have to edit ? 16.31.29 # evilnick_B: sorry not used to 16.32.01 # fred_99: No worries :) Yes, it'd be best to Edit and add your results to the table, it should be pretty self-explanatory 16.32.42 # evilnick_B: I try 16.34.14 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.79.133.232) 16.35.14 Quit CGL (Client Quit) 16.37.42 Join shai_ [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 16.39.09 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.41.23 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 16.44.12 Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.4) 16.44.15 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 16.47.57 # If I can dig up some helpful documentation on Palm OS 5, is it possible to put "Palm OS" on the list of "Rockbox as an Application" targets? 16.48.24 # evilnick_B: last thing is how to attach my file in the table 16.49.22 # For the Google Summer of Code, I mean. 16.49.26 # Strife89: you know it's an *ideas* page, right? People can propose other things or variations 16.49.35 # fred_99: That's beyond my knowledge, sorry 16.49.46 # gevaerts: "Don't add a project here without discussing it with the Rockbox developers first." 16.50.28 # uhm, yes, and? 16.50.50 # So I figured asking was in order. :) 16.50.56 # I mean, sure, it needs some discussion before being added on the page 16.51.12 # I would actively discourage a student suggesting raaa for palm os... 16.51.20 # "The student is free to choose any such device to port Rockbox to, but the following are potential targets" 16.51.33 # B4gder: Why so? 16.51.45 # because its an outdated target already 16.52.09 # That hasn't stopped Rockbox from being ported to other targets. 16.52.21 # and didn't say I would stop it 16.52.35 # Strife89: Yes, but that's usually because the devs with that hardware are prepared to put in the work. 16.53.32 # Good point. ... 16.54.31 # gcc 2.95.3? 16.55.23 # As an idea for the future of RB, which should attract new devs, it doesn't make sense to suggest an older target/platform imho 16.55.50 # evilnick_B: By no means do I *expect* anyone to do it. I'm just really hopeful that I can stir up the possibility. 16.56.27 # * evilnick_B wishes Strife89 the very best of luck 16.57.04 # Strife89: the most recent compiler for palmos seems to be older than SWCODEC 16.57.33 # gevaerts: Damn, I hadn't noticed. 16.57.48 # * n1s would like to see raaa for a desktop OS 16.58.55 # well, one i use :) 16.59.36 # earlier today I had the idea of extending the "theme editor/integration into RbUtil" with a "database query editor". Worth a thought? 17.00.20 # not sure how feasable that is though and who would know enough about database queries to help out there 17.00.41 # pixelma: I like that idea a lot 17.01.03 # But perhaps rbutil would be a better place for that feature idea? 17.01.03 Join _arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 17.01.03 Join shai__ [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 17.01.07 Quit shai_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.01.32 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 17.02.02 # Actually, why not have database queries downloadable on the theme site, and use rbutil to add them onto the player? 17.03.03 # maybe it could be both standalone and possible to use through RbUtil (but that's what I understood about the theme editor idea too, I admit that I only skimmed the gsoc page today in the morning) 17.03.57 # downloadable custom tagnavi files could be another idea 17.04.03 Quit arbingordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.04.17 # * Strife89 has not come up with any ideas, except ..... 17.04.37 # Nevermind. Probably a stupid idea. 17.05.36 # pixelma: custom tagnavi files were what I meant (didn't remember the right phrase) 17.06.21 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl) 17.06.23 # Ah, what the hell. Seperate font for the database browser, and album art beside album titles. 17.06.41 # Relatively simple, somewhat stupid. 17.07.21 # * pixelma is reminded of another RbUtil feature idea and another theme site idea that are still waiting to be put into the forum thread(s) :\\ 17.07.26 # Can you explain "album art beside album titles"? 17.07.59 # alongside in the (database) browser maybe? 17.08.05 # evilnick_B: In the Database browser, put a thumbnail of matching Album Art beside the matching album title. 17.09.44 # Sounds very nice, but maybe going from the Database browser --> Pictureflow would be even better 17.10.30 # Another small, probably bad idea: smooth scrolling in long lists. 17.10.55 # That accelerates as need be. 17.11.31 # list scrolling already accelerates... 17.11.59 Join ball [0] (~ball@adsl-99-142-38-200.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 17.12.16 # n1s: I mean so that the smooth scrolling keeps up with the cursor. 17.12.29 # What character set can I use for song titles? Just ASCII? 17.12.47 # Some implementations of the effect allow some lagging behind. 17.13.09 Quit B4gder (Quit: It is time to say moo) 17.13.09 # ball: where? 17.13.36 # n1s: I use Rockbox on a 1st gen iPod Touch 17.13.39 # ball: Check out: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CommonCodepageProblems 17.13.40 # s/Touch/Mini/ 17.14.08 # ball: yes but do you mean in tags or filenames or something else? 17.14.23 # ball: Also: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide 17.15.01 # n1s: In tags. I keep my filenames to ASCII 17.15.56 # ball: then that depends on the tag format you use in your files, if they are mp3 do see the codepage page evilnick_B kindly linked 17.16.20 # (since id3 lacks a native codepage you need to tell rockbox what you use) 17.16.40 # What about in Ogg/Vorbis? 17.16.40 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 17.16.44 Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.17.01 # vorbis tags are always unicode 17.17.11 # or should be at least 17.17.18 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.17.25 # n1s: UTF-8? 17.17.57 # i don't remember which unicode 17.18.30 # but i don't remember any user having problems with vorbis tags' encoding 17.19.32 # n1s: I just need to figure out how to type it now (an n with a ~ over it.) 17.22.05 # it is utf-8 btw 17.22.20 # which rockbox uses internally 17.22.54 # nn1thanks 17.25.39 Quit parafin (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) 17.25.52 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 17.26.10 Join parafin [0] (parafin@2001:470:1f0b:81::1) 17.26.27 Quit parafin (Client Quit) 17.26.37 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 17.26.44 Part toffe82 17.27.05 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving.) 17.28.19 # nls: I tried to force a disk access like you said but it does the same 17.29.39 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.30.10 Join checker [0] (~4b5a8d59@giant.haxx.se) 17.30.33 Quit JohannesSM64 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.33.58 Join Darkknight512 [0] (~Darkknigh@CPE00212968356c-CM00186845dd46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.34.54 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@76.235.173.88) 17.35.24 Nick ball is now known as ball_ (~ball@adsl-99-142-38-200.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 17.36.00 Quit ball_ (Quit: leaving) 17.36.04 # if i want to put all my album art in the folder "/.rockbox/albumart", i name the files like "rush-signals", but how do i do multi word artists/ablums? 17.37.16 # "van_halen-diver_down", maybe "vanhalen-diverdown"? 17.37.41 # fred_99: ah, maybe you need to make it save the settings or something, i thought a disk access should do it 17.37.52 # it is possible though 17.38.44 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 17.39.53 # nls: the question is how 17.41.36 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 17.41.52 Quit checker (Quit: CGI:IRC) 17.42.11 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se) 17.42.13 # fred_99: maybe settings -> manage settings -> save .cfg file 17.42.59 # nls: I tried to put the existing database files I have on my X5 but it still wants to initialyse the base, find music during init, then I end appli, then seg fault, then same point 17.43.01 Join checker [0] (~4b5a8d59@giant.haxx.se) 17.43.23 # mc2739: i'm going to have a look 17.43.31 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.75.42.getinternet.no) 17.45.07 # mc2739: it doesn't work 17.46.37 # maybe building the database itselfs fails (on a specific file)? 17.46.49 Quit checker (Client Quit) 17.47.20 # pixelma: the thing is it wored on my X5 17.47.46 Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com) 17.49.32 # Hey there! Anybody knows if cowon d2 has usb host? 17.52.06 # pixelma: is it possible to simulate the shutdown ? 17.53.49 # pixelma: on my X5 I have to hold a button, but on the simul key tab I can't see how to hold this button, only quik press ..... I don't kow if I'm clear 17.54.09 # fred_99: There is a patch on the tracker for that (FS#11054), but I do not know the status of it. 17.54.30 # mc2739: the database ? 17.54.46 # no, the shutdown 17.54.55 # ah, tks 17.56.58 Quit pamaury (Quit: Quitte) 18.02.19 Quit petur (Quit: work->home) 18.02.21 Join perfectdrug_ [0] (~marko@p5B0EC44A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.03.43 Part pondlife 18.03.46 # yesterday I was talking about my battery time left problems, and Tome asked me to put two battery_bench files, but now I can compil, perhaps I can change some things in the firmware/export/config/iaudiox5.h file but I don't really see what, can somebody help me ? 18.05.48 Quit perfectdrug (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.10.04 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.21.44 Join ichthys [0] (~jaaron@128.224.252.2) 18.24.34 Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie) 18.25.35 Quit einhirn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.27.27 # is it usual for an ipod nano 1g to switch back to the apple firmware/"Do not remove" screen when plugged in via usb? 18.27.44 # I'm trying to get the usb controller thing to work, nothing seems to work 18.27.47 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 18.27.56 # *not nothing, just no controls 18.28.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.28.56 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 18.29.30 # ichthys: Release builds of Rockbox on the ipods don't use our USB implementation 18.29.39 Join pamaury [0] (~c2c7a50a@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.29.49 # It's disabled for releases because of concerns about disk performance and batteries not charging properly. 18.30.10 # ichthys: If you want to use the rockbox usb mode, which includes the input controls, you need to use a current build 18.30.26 # ok. thanks for the info Torne 18.30.27 # but be aware that battery charging may work slowly or not at all, and disk performance may not be as good 18.30.40 # (Not sure for which specific models those are true) 18.31.19 # kind of odd that these features are in the manual and the menu :/ 18.31.32 # I'll try a current build. thanks again 18.32.08 # They are not in the release manual 18.32.15 # Where does it appear in the menus? 18.32.59 # the manual at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml is built daily for the current build; the release's accompanying manual is here: http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi 18.33.24 # ah I didn't see that http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml was for daily builds 18.33.39 # where doe sit appear int he menus, though? 18.34.05 # settings -> general settings -> system -> USB keypad mode 18.34.15 # USB HID is also there 18.35.13 # Hm, that's probably a bug 18.36.29 # mc2739: the patch worked well, I'm now able to shutdown the simulator, but it doesn't change my database problem 18.36.58 # anyone: why isn't USB_ENABLE_HID dependent on USE_ROCKBOX_USB ? :) 18.37.13 # Oh, wait 18.37.23 # ichthys: Actually, I think it is possible to send the keys somehow 18.37.27 # just not easily ;) 18.37.49 # haha, what are you thinking? 18.37.51 # ichthys: If you plug in the cable while holding select it will stay in rockbox, and it's possible to send HID keys I think, but only via plugins/debug menu 18.38.01 # So yeah, it is still a HID device technically 18.38.36 # it just happens that when you're using hte rockbox mass storage mode, we interpret the buttons as being requests to send HID keys 18.38.45 # and when the rockbox mass storage code is disabled that obviously doesn't happen ;) 18.38.54 # select from power off? 18.38.58 # or while in rb 18.38.59 # No 18.39.04 # see the manual :) 18.39.18 # :P 18.39.38 # anyway, yes. if you hold select when rockbox is running, and then insert the cable 18.39.50 # that will stay in rockbox, it's the charging-only mode. 18.39.55 # (not that it charges properly) 18.40.42 # anyway. this is not very helpful to you really. if you want to use it as a remote for the pc, use a current build. 18.40.56 # but be prepared for charging to be a lot slower unless you boot the OF to charge. 18.41.11 # I usually just listen in my car so that's not really a prob 18.43.04 # sure, i'm just warning you 18.43.17 # i'm working on fixing it ;) 18.44.33 # actually, it's menu, not select ;) 18.44.34 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 18.44.43 # The player can be charged over USB without connecting to your computer by holding Menu while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the player normally. 18.44.48 # er 18.44.49 # yes 18.44.50 # sorry :) 18.44.53 # :) 18.45.06 # hmmm there is no mouse option in the plugin/remote_control 18.45.13 # i have several players, and i answer support questions for a lot more :) 18.45.19 # Mouse is only on touchscreen targets, iirc 18.45.46 # nah, it was in the build manual 18.45.49 # Oh, no, it should be there 18.45.50 # direction for move mouse 18.45.55 # the plugin might not suppor tit, though 18.46.01 # the plugin is a seperate thing 18.46.01 # the plugin works differently than the usb mode 18.46.16 # you have to select menu options instead of directly controlling with the device 18.46.35 # yeah. 18.46.40 # Well, you can modify the plugin, if you like 18.46.43 # :) 18.47.15 # :) perhaps 18.47.16 # Basically rockbox has an interface to send any HID code you want. The USB screen on the current builds sends one of several sets, as documented in the manual. The remote_control plugin also sends one of several sets, but its code is unrelated 18.47.33 # Any plugin can send any HID code based on anything, on the players that support HID 18.50.27 # bluebroth3r: in all talk or voice clips I made on the Mac there is an audible click in the beginning. I'm not sure if it has to do with the TTS or with wavtrim but I haven't heard it in voice files made with SAPI and commandline. It possibly explains file size differences too 18.50.46 Quit flydutch (Quit: /* empty */) 18.53.54 Quit shaggy-h (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.00.02 # Hey torn 19.00.06 # e 19.00.40 # Darkknight512: do you have a question for me? 19.00.56 # Torne: You were mentioning something about Ncurses in RB? 19.01.39 # Torne: I was wondering what would that allow people to do in the plugins 19.02.04 # It would let people port stuff that uses ncurses more easily 19.02.34 # and would let people write programs with character cell style displays more easily, i guess. though i am not convinced ncurses is the best API for that 19.02.57 # I implemented the major part of this already for frotz: the output system for frotz implements a buffered text terminal 19.03.06 # (in a weird and z-machine specific way) 19.03.17 # so how much work would be needed to get that fully working? 19.03.52 # To actually reproduce a significant portion of the ncurses API, a lot 19.04.12 # im just starting to learn C, and I have only done a bit of C++ 19.04.16 # I could split out the terminal implementation from frotz into pluginlib, but it wouldn't be very powerful as it is. 19.04.34 # If you don't already know how to program with ncurses then you probably aren't going to find it easier 19.04.37 # it's not a very intuitive system 19.04.47 # is making selection menus in plugin lib right now possible? 19.04.52 # as in in game? 19.05.02 # and a large portion of it exists to abstract between different terminal types, rather than to actually provide functionality for the application using it 19.05.09 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.05.14 # What do you mean? 19.05.23 # also, pluginlib is a specific library of extra code that's shared between plugins 19.05.31 # it's not the plugin interface 19.05.34 Quit shai__ (Quit: Leaving) 19.05.54 # So lets say I were to make a combat system for an RPG, i would like to make menus in game that allowed the player to attack, use majic, items and whatever 19.06.21 # I would want scrollable menus like in FF or something 19.07.28 # Ther'es nothing to help you do that, no 19.07.35 # but you can just draw that on the screen, no? 19.08.00 # curses is for things which are based entirely on text, where everything fits exactly into a fixed size grid where each cell contains one character. 19.08.01 # i dont know, I havent written anything in rockbox yet 19.08.11 # Well, amazingly you can draw anything you like on the screen 19.08.21 # Since we can, yaknow, run doom. 19.08.24 # or other games :) 19.08.51 # The screen is just a bitmap, more or less. You can write to the pixels directly, or you can call our drawing functions to produce text/shapes/etc 19.08.57 # Or you can load bitmap images onto it. 19.09.04 # Same as any other graphical UI on anything.. 19.09.45 # where can i find the documentaion on writing plugins? 19.09.57 # i found the "howtowriteplugins" but thats just basic stuff 19.10.03 # Yes. 19.10.14 # There are a few wiki pages explaining certain things, and that's about it 19.10.25 # If you want to learn more, read the code for existing plugins. 19.10.52 # ok then, i guess my first step would be learning C? lol 19.11.16 # got any good tutorials? I already know a bit of Cpp 19.11.19 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.12.04 # :) perhaps 19.12.13 # for my database problem, I copied my .rockbox X5 directory under simdisk and it works nice. 19.12.14 # oop.s disregard that 19.13.19 Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.36) 19.14.00 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.15.04 # so no one knows of a good place to learn C from? 19.15.47 # I think I f'd something up Torne, menu items are showing the wrong text 19.16.17 # trying to get it back in usb mass mode. does the current build support that? 19.19.16 # I booted to the apple firmware and I'm getting a mount error "can't read superblocok" 19.19.19 # *block 19.19.55 # wow someone ported our APE decoder to android already: http://andless.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/jni/ape/ 19.20.18 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 19.20.53 Join TheSeven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 19.21.54 # saratoga: cool! 19.21.57 Join planetbeing [0] (~planetbei@c-71-236-164-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 19.22.40 # the fact that demac was always buildable as stand-alone program probably helped 19.22.46 # TheSeven: you still need me to test that stuff from 2 days ago? 19.23.05 # * kugel finds ranmachan's patches strange 19.23.42 # he uses our libflac too 19.23.54 # i will email him 19.24.03 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 19.24.16 Join The_Seven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 19.24.21 Quit Darkknight512 (Remote host closed the connection) 19.24.25 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 19.24.48 Join Darkknight512 [0] (~Darkknigh@CPE00212968356c-CM00186845dd46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.26.09 # "My special thanks to the Rockbox team (http://www.rockbox.org) whose excellent code was most extensively used. In my opinion, it's the best code ever written for mobile devices. " :) 19.27.46 # ^Could not have said it better myself, this ipod would be in a dust drawer without RB 19.28.13 # Darkknight512: If you know C++ then you already know C :) 19.28.30 Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.28.40 # What exacly is the difference, just the Object oriented stuff? 19.29.06 Quit BlastTyrant (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.30.06 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 19.30.19 Join The_Seven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 19.30.20 # apart from a few subtile differences, C is a mostly a subset of C++. And yes, C++ mostly adds the support for OOP 19.30.28 Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 19.30.36 # ahh ok 19.30.36 # Objects, templates, and lots of very minor things you won't care about 19.30.55 # anyone know why HDtune detects my 4gb ipod nano as a 1gb drive, with 100% errors? 19.31.12 Quit grndslm (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.32.03 # its buggy would be my guess 19.32.04 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 19.32.31 # kugel: What's strange? 19.35.51 # yay, pagenumbers, bookmarks and status bar in text viewer, I can finally read with ease 19.35.57 # that switch() with the duff's device trick (something that should never be used in real code IMO), the sw_pwm function that calls the scrollwheel one that calls the tick tasks, and more 19.35.57 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 19.35.57 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.36.07 Join dantje [0] (~dvg@HSI-KBW-095-208-155-207.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 19.38.07 # if some of you have free time and an available device, I encourage you to test and/or review "FS#11118 - Reduce the number of cached sector in the fat driver ". 19.38.59 # kugel: The switch is not strictly needed, if you think it's too confusing I'll remove it. 19.39.24 # It's just that way I can do it without code duplication. 19.40.01 # I'll grant you that it's a microoptimization that's probably unnecessary. 19.40.31 # I wouldn't have done it that way if it wasn't an interrupt handler. 19.40.53 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 19.41.22 # ranmachan: rockbox already has the framework for software pwm, btw 19.41.53 # it may require a separate timer for that though 19.45.15 # kugel: Do you have a pointer? find -name "*pwm*" doesn't show anything 19.45.51 Join BlastTyrant [0] (~Dan@cpe-74-70-177-91.nycap.res.rr.com) 19.46.04 Join DerPapst [0] (~DerPapst@p5797C089.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.09 # hm, no I confused it with backlight fading through software pwm 19.47.19 Join shaggy-h [0] (~kiwi@78-86-164-31.zone2.bethere.co.uk) 19.49.51 # saratoga: hello, I putted two battery_bech file today as asked yesterday but anyway you suggested to me to do what funman said to me "change things in iaudiox5.h" ..... the problem is I don't really see what to change. I compared with some other device .h and I don't really see what to add. Changes are to be made in iaudiox5.h or also in powermgmt.h ? 19.49.57 # stupid timer limitation, I was already unhappy with reusing the tick timer for the scrollwheel, and now this :( 19.50.12 Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos) 19.50.36 # fred_99: I suggested you skip battery benching your device and just add a current normal define that gave you whatever battery life you wanted 19.50.54 Quit grndslm (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.51.45 # ranmachan: IMO, unless you write a generic driver that can be used by other (non-samsa) targets, the #define shouldn't be in the .h file. that's usually for optional stuff that works on more on a single (or related range of) target(s) 19.52.04 # saratoga: yes, but I did the bench ..... but I don't really see what to change with those values 19.52.23 # it looks like it would almost qualify as c200v3 if it wasn't using the as3525 as well :) 19.52.42 Quit ichthys (Remote host closed the connection) 19.53.12 # saratoga: thanks anyway, I have to go, I will see that tomorrow ...... bye 19.53.14 # kugel: Yeah, but the user can't readily tell it apart from what's on the case. 19.53.15 # fred_99: just add a CURRENT_NORMAL define with some number of ma that divides by your battery mah to give the number of h you want 19.53.33 # OF reads bootstrap value on A7 to find out which type it is apparently 19.53.42 # saratoga: thanks I will try 19.53.45 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 19.53.54 # * kugel thinks someting similar happens on the fuzev2 19.54.36 # saratoga: last question .... if it works like this, why do I had to submit a long battery_bench file ? 19.55.10 # is everyone fine with me saying on the mailing list that if no one steps forward and offers to host a DevCon somewhere else, then we will just have it in Ghent again? 19.55.24 # steps forward by monday, that is 19.55.28 Join ichthys [0] (~jaaron@128.224.252.2) 19.55.39 # scorche: I think that's what it looks like 19.55.45 # does petur volunteer again? IMO ghent would be fine 19.55.50 # scorche: sounds reasonable 19.55.57 # kugel: he did on the list, yes 19.56.14 # hrm, why did I miss that mail? 19.56.40 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 19.56.40 # I'll still see if I can host it, so we'd have a nearby backup location. 19.56.53 # * kugel would have liked london, but well :) 19.58.46 Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.59.58 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-236-178-147.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.00.11 # Ok I'll just use "#if defined(SANSA_C200V2)" for the pwm code in kernel-as3525.c 20.00.59 Quit shai (Quit: Leaving) 20.04.40 Quit fred_99 (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20.06.30 # I think I could use the two timers to write a more general timer mechanism by using one as a free running wall clock and the other in one-shot mode if you'd like that :) 20.07.38 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 20.10.55 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 20.11.08 Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.242) 20.12.13 Quit toffe82 (Remote host closed the connection) 20.14.48 # wow, I just found a super funny bug: go into debug menu, into view stacks, place the line of dircache (for alignement reason) and plug usb: you've got the dircache line still display ! Can anyone check that ? 20.16.04 # does this line scroll? 20.16.20 # yes 20.16.52 # What is funny is that it scrolls when ubs is plugged but not when under the debug menu ! 20.17.45 # pixelma: known bug ? 20.18.58 # I think you'll get the effect with every line that needs to scroll, seen similar bugs in other screens before. I thought it was once fixed in the USB screen but maybe it came back or wasn't, should be fixable by someone who knows the drawing code 20.19.16 Join petur [0] (~peter@94-225-44-144.access.telenet.be) 20.19.16 Quit petur (Changing host) 20.19.17 Join petur [0] (~peter@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.20.30 Quit grndslm (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.22.10 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 20.23.51 Quit r0b- (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 20.26.32 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-236-178-147.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.28.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.29.49 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@e178117047.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.29.59 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.30.05 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@e178117047.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.30.09 Quit kugel (Changing host) 20.30.09 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.30.20 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 20.30.51 Quit grndslm (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.31.42 Quit dantje (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20.34.29 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 20.36.09 Join wodz [0] (~57cef004@giant.haxx.se) 20.40.20 Quit grndslm (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 20.40.24 Join Tomis2 [0] (~Tomis@70.134.68.134) 20.40.31 # hello, I am getting such error : http://pastebin.com/S9jG5mPH. Where is the problem? 20.40.38 Join adnyxo [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.42.51 Quit Tomis (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.42.51 Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (~Tomis@70.134.68.134) 20.42.56 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 20.43.48 # the linker seems badly confused about IRAM 20.43.57 Quit grndslm (Max SendQ exceeded) 20.44.15 # saratoga hi 20.44.29 # saratoga: is this the problem with app.lds? 20.44.52 # maybe, depends what you were editing 20.46.50 # is there a way to get more verbose error? 20.47.04 # Who's currently working on the manual? I'd like to help out, but don't want to tread on any toes 20.48.20 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 20.49.09 # evilnick_B: the chances that this happens are quite low, I assume :) 20.52.48 # does mpegplayer still only support mpeg-1? 20.52.48 Join Hillshum [0] (~hillshum@75-165-233-102.slkc.qwest.net) 20.53.07 # has it ever only supported mpeg-1? 20.53.11 # err mpeg1-2 20.53.56 # yup 20.54.04 # heh i really should take the time to learn rockbox coding 20.54.18 # id attempt to make an mpeg4 decoder 20.55.39 # for gsoc? 20.58.23 # ? 20.58.50 # nah 20.58.54 # Google Summer Of Code: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010 20.59.01 # :| 20.59.09 # im no good with c 21.00.30 Join froggyman [0] (~sopgenort@pool-72-69-76-103.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.00.45 # ill suggest it 21.02.14 Part watto 21.02.47 # evilnick_B: I don't think you'll be stepping on someone's toes, manual work seems to exhaust people a bit and we need fresh blood ;) I have two cleanup things I'd like to commit in the next days (the file type table in the viewer plugins section and some code cleanup in the goban button table) 21.02.59 # r0b-: it's already suggested, I think 21.04.30 # pixelma: I've looked at the Wiki pages that refer to the manual, but they seem kinda out of date. Is there anything else that I should read first? Or should I jump straight in? 21.05.19 # which pages? 21.06.10 Quit wodz (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.06.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualTodo http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualFixmes 21.08.44 # but I think you could jump right in and maybe ask for comments here if you have somethin. I only like to point to the button table suggestion at the end of ManualGuidelinesTalk which was agreed on by AlexP and bluebrother (I thin). ManualGuidelines gives a bit of an overview about conventions and how some things work 21.09.07 # I think the two pages you mentioned are really a bit outdated 21.12.18 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.12.18 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 21.12.37 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.12.54 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 21.12.56 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.13.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.20.20 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@gate-22.spsu.edu) 21.25.21 # evilnick_B: Go for it :) 21.25.42 # evilnick_B: Fixing the English of this afternoons commit so that it is proper English would be a good start :) 21.25.59 # AlexP: Seriously, that's what made me decide to throw my hat into the ring :) 21.27.29 # And yeah, pixelma is right about it wearing you down a bit - I tend to go in waves 21.28.30 # My only question so far, and I don't want to open a cam of worms but fear I might be, is why do we refer to iPods as Ipods? 21.28.37 # s/cam/can/ 21.28.40 # There is a note on this somewhere 21.28.59 # Something about us applying proper rules of grammar and ignoring silly manufacturers :) 21.29.21 # capitalise (brand) names 21.29.59 # evilnick_B: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Names 21.30.17 # but I have a feeling that you will find different way of spelling if you look through the complete code... :) 21.30.45 # Yeah, the consistency isn't always that consistent :) 21.30.50 # Actually, those words should never appear :) 21.30.55 # Comes of having multiple people writing things 21.30.56 # We have macros for them! 21.31.29 # yes, they should be used 21.31.35 # * evilnick_B strongly disagrees with that idea 21.31.38 # evilnick_B: Defined in the platform files 21.31.55 # I can't say I really care one way or the other 21.31.59 # that's true, if the macro was used consistently then it'll be consistent in the end too 21.32.49 # I think that for someone coming to RB for the first time, it's jarring to see the way you're used to seeing the brand name used, not used. 21.32.51 # evilnick_B: Are you planning to look at this afternoons bit? 21.33.59 # evilnick_B: the point is that the manual has "your \dap{}", and it comes out as "your ipod" 21.34.07 # s/manual/source/ 21.34.22 # oh, wait. I see what you mean... 21.34.56 # If I had to choose I'd go for iPod too, but I'll happily go with the masses 21.35.05 Quit JohannesSM64 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.35.15 # We can have a discussion about it at DevCon 21.35.27 # I'd usually agree to do the correct English convention, but it strikes me as being quite arrogant to deliberately not use the name that most/all users would use themselves 21.36.27 # evilnick_B: I guess this started with the irivers, where the company changed capitalisation about seven times, so in the end it was decided to ignore companies since they obviously don't know what they want 21.37.11 # gevaerts: Yes, I think that I vaguely remember that discussion. But then, if all player names are macro-ised then renaming them will be straightforward too :) 21.37.34 Join Luca_S [0] (~57025514@giant.haxx.se) 21.37.50 # evilnick_B: yes, we can have a different name for every day :) 21.38.04 # * pixelma wouldn't use iPod 21.39.00 # evilnick_B: Do you want to have a go at todays thing, or shall I? 21.40.03 # AlexP: I'm still marshalling my forces before I get out the red pen, so feel free to do it yourself - I'm planning on starting this on the weekend 21.40.23 # k 21.40.23 # evilnick_B: IIRC the origin of this convention lies in the fact that Iriver changed their own brand spelling and before disagreeing on which one to chose or before they change it again, it was decided to just go by this rule 21.41.10 # pixelma: Yep, gevaerts just told me :) 21.41.28 # evilnick_B: to be correct, I said that I *thought* that was the case :) 21.41.31 # too slow 21.41.39 Quit Luca_S (Client Quit) 21.41.50 Join Luca_S [0] (~57025514@giant.haxx.se) 21.42.44 # Like I said, if/when all the model names are macrofied, then I (personally) think that brandnames that are recognised by the majority of the users should be used throughout the manual. 21.43.15 # We could go for a rule that if the manufacturer changed his mind at least once, they get the standard language rules 21.43.26 # gevaerts: I've asked uchida to put a description in the commit message before and he said OK 21.43.36 # SO I don't hold out much hope this time 21.43.57 # And this afternoon's was especially bad, with so many tasks all in one commit 21.44.28 # gevaerts: I'm more thinking along the lines of that we should use what is the accepted term for the player. Though how this would be determined is beyond me! 21.45.06 # evilnick_B: exactly. If it has changed a few times, there is no right way anymore 21.48.33 # pamaury: The debug menu doesn't pay particular attention to usb, or other external events. 21.48.49 # It's debatable whether it should - it's a debug menu after all 21.50.17 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@g224236250.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.50.18 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 21.50.18 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 21.53.39 # amiconn: I believe it's a USB screen bug though 21.54.00 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.54.22 # as I think I saw it too with just a slightly older build but didn't want to say something until I tested a recent one 21.54.38 Part ichthys ("Leaving") 21.55.53 # and not from the debug screen, just a scrolling line in the file browser 21.58.28 Join S_a_i_n_t_ [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.25) 21.58.55 # Anyone know what "Joins lines. Useful for adopting the orphans that occur with e{}-mail style (i.e. pre{}-wrapped) text files." is trying to say? 21.59.07 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21.59.17 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.116.196.getinternet.no) 22.01.37 # AlexP: Probably that it re-flows the lines so you don't get 22.01.38 # single 22.01.44 # words on one line, sort of thing? 22.02.36 # OK, I'll go with "Join lines together" :) 22.03.16 # "Set the maximum column width to 114" 22.03.24 # 114 what? ccharacters? pixels? 22.03.53 # Wouldn't that depend on whether it's a monospace font or not? 22.04.00 # indeed 22.04.17 # This biggest problem I'm having here is not understanding what is there at the moment 22.04.28 # It must be pixels I guess 22.04.34 # but seems a really odd option 22.04.48 # * evilnick_B suggests trying out these options on target 22.05.04 # Especially as it is called wide, and narrow sets it to the screen width 22.05.21 # apparently 22.09.08 # I could *somewhat* understand 112 as that's the bitmapped Archos' screen width 22.09.37 # if it's pixels 22.11.12 # How would open() return -12776 in fd ? 22.13.44 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 22.14.33 Quit JohannesSM64 (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-dev) 22.20.09 Quit komputes (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.20.18 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 22.25.57 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 22.28.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.29.09 Quit jgarvey (Quit: Leaving) 22.29.36 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.30.14 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 22.32.34 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.124) 22.32.46 Quit S_a_i_n_t_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.35.58 Quit phanboy4 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.40.24 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 22.40.32 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@e178117047.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.40.43 Quit kugel (Disconnected by services) 22.40.46 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@e178117047.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.40.53 Quit kugel (Changing host) 22.40.53 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.47.36 # uhm 22.47.54 # I'm trying to compile SVN for the fuzev2, but it gives me a handful of errors 22.48.47 # like? 22.49.01 # no FM I2C IOPIN defines 22.49.03 # main build or bootloader? 22.49.17 # hm.. I selected normal in the configure script 22.49.37 # we haven't even a working bootloader, so don't even think of compiling the main build 22.50.28 # should I simply run configure again to select boot loader build? 22.50.55 # yea 22.51.04 # do a make clean before though 22.52.17 # undefined reference to button_hold / libgcc.a uses FPA instructions whereas bootloader.elf does not 22.52.27 # (i'm using the vmware dev platform) 22.58.45 # New commit by 03alex (r25238): Try to improve the English for the text viewer plugin. Only the English has been changed, the actual content still needs some work. 22.58.50 Quit Kitr88 () 23.03.50 Quit Adubb (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.04.17 Quit evilnick_B (Quit: Page closed) 23.07.06 Join Adubb [0] (~aldubuc@67.201.160.144) 23.09.25 Join Kitar|st [0] (Kitr88@BSN-142-89-228.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 23.09.58 Join Strife1989 [0] (~michael@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.11.04 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~michael@adsl-154-2-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.13.33 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.13.55 Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@bb-87-81-252-83.ukonline.co.uk) 23.18.03 # erm, why does rockbox pause playing when I unplug usb!? 23.18.15 # (I was in charging mode before) 23.18.44 # it dosent do that for me 23.19.33 # but then mine dosent say charging 23.20.12 # TheSeven: Is it *pausing* or *stopping*? 23.20.26 # pausing, and even resuming when I re-plug it 23.20.38 # Because my build *stops* playback when I unplug from charging mode. 23.20.55 # Of course, it's an iPod Photo, and I'm using a patch. 23.21.15 # this *could* be some GPIO screwup with the headphone detection 23.21.35 # but I thought that this was working properly, and it actually also reacts on the headphones being unplugged 23.22.08 # * Strife89 compiles anew. 23.25.53 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.27.55 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 23.31.50 Quit Darkknight512 (Remote host closed the connection) 23.39.35 Quit Farthen (Quit: sleeping...) 23.44.44 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.45.18 Quit pamaury (Quit: Page closed) 23.47.33 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.48.53 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 23.50.38 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 23.50.59 # TheSeven: Are you in car adapter mode? 23.54.09 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)