--- Log for 22.04.110 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 24 days and 5 hours ago 00.02.28 # * jhMikeS sees the yield rate jump as high as 32000 when rebuffering starts 00.02.32 # on player 00.04.07 Quit Boldfilter (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.10.44 Quit archivator (Remote host closed the connection) 00.11.18 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.14.38 Quit DataGhost (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.22.39 Quit geertvdijk (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 00.34.22 Quit gevaerts (Disconnected by services) 00.34.31 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 00.41.12 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 00.41.22 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 00.42.44 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.48.23 Join Kitar|st [0] (~Kitar_st@BSN-143-111-81.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 00.52.02 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 00.52.19 Join Booba666 [0] (~562a171b@gateway/web/freenode/x-aovddkobzqmcefaq) 00.55.18 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 00.55.44 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) 01.02.20 Quit Booba666 (Quit: Page closed) 01.03.30 # bye 01.04.53 Quit new_bee (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 01.06.39 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 01.11.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.26.56 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 01.33.42 Quit droidcore (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.40.31 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 01.49.58 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.52.18 Part toffe82___ 02.02.11 Join droidcore [0] (~mark@206-248-131-88.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.02.27 Quit droidcore (Client Quit) 02.02.41 Join droidcore [0] (~mark@206-248-131-88.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.04.27 Join M1DLG [0] (~M3DLG@bb-87-81-252-83.ukonline.co.uk) 02.05.03 Quit B4gder (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.05.11 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.05.38 Quit M3DLG (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 02.13.04 Join hobbs [0] (~nnnnnnnan@cleverdomain.org) 02.17.06 Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 02.18.15 Join qfr [0] (void@unaffiliated/yw) 02.18.33 # Hmm is there some way you don't have to select "Resume playback" every time you boot the player? 02.18.43 # I didn't find anything in the playback settings 02.20.27 # set your start screen to WPS 02.21.28 Quit Schmogel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.25.27 Join katyl [0] (~katyl@adsl-074-170-246-249.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net) 02.26.03 # pixelma hmm I haven't found it on my own yet 02.26.25 # What settings category is it in? 02.27.02 # Ah I got it I think 02.27.30 # Fabulous, it works, thanks a lot 02.29.36 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 02.33.15 Join Soap_Hotel [0] (~48634faa@giant.haxx.se) 02.35.25 Quit hobbs (Changing host) 02.35.26 Join hobbs [0] (~nnnnnnnan@p3m/member/hobbs) 02.47.21 Quit Battousai (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.55.11 Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 02.57.03 Quit B4gder (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.05.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCA5F6.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.05.46 Quit Rob2223 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 03.07.04 Quit Soap_Hotel (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 03.08.42 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@2002:7bf3:8c1f:1234:21a:4dff:fe4b:7b5a) 03.08.46 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 03.08.46 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.11.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.42 Join gg [0] (~gg@pool-173-53-79-36.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) 03.14.57 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 03.15.16 # battery life seems bad. ipod video 30gb. any setup tips? 03.19.13 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 03.24.30 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.207.167.104) 03.25.57 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: Operation timed out) 03.27.57 Join TexasRockbox [0] (~4678c48b@giant.haxx.se) 03.28.58 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~Kohlrabi@frustum.nosebud.de) 03.29.18 Quit Bagder (Read error: Operation timed out) 03.30.30 # 1) Brightness=1 2) If using Rockbox as a file browser then Dircache=On 3) Decrease the amount of time the ipod backlight is on 4) Set the antiskip buffer to 5sec 03.31.23 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 03.31.41 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.33.19 # Does anyone know where in the code the filter for filetypes are stored/executed. I've looked through a lot of code and just can't seem to find where these files are determined/defined. 03.35.05 Quit TexasRockbox (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 03.37.42 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 03.40.10 Quit adnyxo (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 03.46.41 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.48.15 # gg: the manual actually has a new section dealing with optimizing your battery runtime 03.53.15 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.54.36 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 04.04.13 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 04.05.10 Quit Bagder (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04.07.26 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 04.09.11 # thanks 04.09.16 Part gg 04.17.49 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 04.19.26 Quit Curtman (Quit: Leaving) 04.20.06 Join RandomInsano [0] (~Edwin@wnpgmb0808w-ad04-95-8.dynamic.mts.net) 04.24.45 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 04.24.48 # I removed the flash daughterboard from my Telechips based DAP and don't know if it considers itself in 'USB Boot Mode'. Any telltale signs it's in boot mode? 04.26.37 # tcctool certainly doesn't find it in FreeBSD 04.29.52 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.235) 04.40.00 Join Barahir_ [0] (~jonathan@gssn-5f75576e.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.40.54 # line 1132 of plugins/imageviewer/png/png.c looks bogud to me, it's assigning to decoder->infoPng.background_g twice and not to decoder->infoPng.background_b which would seem the logical thing to do, anyone familiar with this? 04.41.05 # s/bogud/bogus 04.41.18 Quit Barahir (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.41.33 # Seems it is in boot mode. tcctool in windows picks it up just fine. 04.47.16 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.53.14 # My Telechips device isn't in the tcc.inf file for the tcc driver on windows. Can I make the needed change in SVN? Do I need an account? 04.53.40 # I can even supply the updated inf file which works on my system. 04.59.21 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 04.59.22 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04.59.42 # n1s: two things strike me: one, that it's probably even wronger than that, since it's assigning a palette index to r/g/b values; and two, it doesn't look like anything is using the data anyway. 05.00.05 # n1s: proposed fix: http://gist.github.com/374752 05.00.33 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCB1FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.00.35 # (PNG spec promises that bKGD follows PLTE in a paletted image, so the pallete will be initialized) 05.02.37 # hobbs: you obviously know more about png than me, so commit? 05.03.04 # I don't have commit bits, I'm just zis guy 05.03.29 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.04.08 # aha, i gtg now, but will look later then, any good way to test that its correct? 05.04.42 Quit jd (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.04.47 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05.04.57 # like I said I don't think anything anywhere even reads those values 05.05.07 # so... it compiles, and it's correct in my head, but no test :) 05.05.25 # heh, ok 05.05.50 # * S_a_i_n_t experienced http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24528.0 on his Nano1g as well, using r25679. This revision absolutely *will not* run Doom & Doom 2 WADs yet FreeDoom appears to be fine. 05.05.57 Join jd [0] (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279638690.dsl.bell.ca) 05.05.58 Quit jd (Changing host) 05.05.58 Join jd [0] (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) 05.06.26 # Attempting to run Doom fragged my filesystem in an amusing, hillarious, and very annoying way. 05.07.30 # It made the database init splash read "Moving Phopaq (((((((" 05.07.56 # the "shutting down" splash was equally weird. 05.11.03 # And every so often there is just one letter out of place in a word, and the letter that is out of place is always the next in sequence following alphabetical order....it's just, weird. "Files" reads "Filep" and so on, but going to another screen and back seems to change the typos, thier location etc. Sometimes it seems fine, then other times the database will constantly ask to be initialised, take ages to do so - 05.11.33 # - then when it finally finishes, all the .TCD files are corrupt with garbled names... 05.11.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.42 # It was just, weird. 05.14.35 Join Boldfilter [0] (~Boldfilte@adsl-82-100-65.jax.bellsouth.net) 05.16.15 Quit sinthetek (Remote host closed the connection) 05.16.51 Part Boldfilter 05.22.07 Join sinthetek [0] (~sinthetek@unaffiliated/sinthetek) 05.33.31 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05.35.24 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 05.55.43 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! 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USB connect still works so.. 09.11.11 Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.11.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.13.09 # Does that happen on hwcodec as well? 09.13.28 # no 09.13.36 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@chello087206240004.chello.pl) 09.13.47 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.13.47 Join jnss [0] (janes@gateway/shell/sign.io/x-mbgwsdpzetwcbgzc) 09.13.47 Join shaggy-h [0] (~kiwi@78-86-164-31.zone2.bethere.co.uk) 09.13.47 Join xavieran [0] (~xavieran@ppp118-209-61-181.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 09.13.47 Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) 09.13.47 Join avar [0] (avar@wikipedia/avar) 09.13.47 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 09.14.06 # jdGordon: As I worote earlier I can look at this issue with BDM/gdb 09.14.29 # oh? that would be sweet 09.15.07 # ah, I somehow missed your reply 09.15.15 # but I know nothing about this code 09.15.55 # we can arrange irc session when I will be at work and have my target in front of mee 09.16.00 # s/mee/me 09.16.06 # you'll need a WPS that has it for the Mpio's 128x128 greyscale screen 09.16.12 # (I guess) 09.16.35 # * amiconn wanted to suggest gdb too 09.16.52 # doesn't JdGordon posted wps that triggers the problem to the list? 09.17.04 # I'll reply to the mailling list with a wps that will work on any target 09.18.00 # its either playlist.c (unlikely) or playback/buffering.c (slightly less unlickly).... I'm stuck 09.18.13 # wodz: usually WPSs are display size dependent. You can make one that works on every size I guess though 09.19.39 # ok I have to digg in some rb unrelated code now. 09.19.56 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p5099d40e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.20.36 # jdGordon: If You are interested I will ping You when I'll have my device at hand 09.21.15 # please :) 09.21.19 # JdGordon: Do you know on which target archs that happens? 09.21.21 Join mt_ [0] (~chatzilla@41.233.141.144) 09.21.34 # Since it doesn't happen in the sim, it might also be architecture dependent 09.22.00 # I've only tested PP, I couldnt repro on my mini2g but easy to repro on vid 09.22.14 # it was reported on e200 also i tihnk 09.22.21 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 09.22.47 # gevaerts tested a bit and I asked him to try coldfire and he wanted to but I don't know if he did 09.24.01 # I've #if 0'd out the code touching playback, so it must be playlist_peek()... but.. 09.24.24 # Hmm, on video but not on minig2? That's the same cpu... 09.24.55 # Maybe it's colour vs. non-colour? 09.25.20 # it would be nice if someone confirm this on coldfire *before* we start debugging with BDM/gdb 09.25.27 # then wodz' BDM won't help 09.25.36 # the wps isnt locking up so I highly doubt its the drawing code 09.26.20 # * pixelma could possibly try on M5 (coldfire, grey) and c200 (pp, colour) but needs a bit time to set up a test.wps 09.26.41 # maybe during lunch break or so 09.28.01 Join liar [0] (~liar@212067227235.public.telering.at) 09.28.42 # could it also be a timing issue? 09.29.26 # maybe. my mini2g is CF'ed which could be enough to stop it 09.29.33 # I've attached a wps to the mailng list 09.30.29 # are other settings the same (like dircache or so)? 09.30.36 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive//rockbox-dev-archive-2010-04/att-0089/plv.wps 09.31.10 # dircache is off on the vid 09.32.33 # shite! enabling dircache fixes it! 09.32.41 # w=hat the hell? 09.34.02 # this probably means there is a bug in get_Filename() in playlist.c.. specifically where it waits for the mutex to touch the filenames array 09.35.25 # which makes sense. the WPS is displayed while buffering is also trying to get the filenames to buffer. buffering calls get_filename() which has the lock, context switch waiting for disk access, wps tries to get the lock == deadlock 09.35.51 # lots of disk access while holding that lock 09.36.49 # dircache avoids this because when enabled that goes through a slightly different code path (avoids the lock if it can) 09.38.38 # mutex_lock() would block if someone else has it right? 09.38.49 Quit jfc (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09.39.11 # that is the idea, yes :) 09.39.28 # so all that does make for a plausable reason? 09.39.36 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.40.39 # I'm afraid I don't know that code enough to say 09.40.46 Join jfc [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 09.45.12 Join lpereira [0] (~lucien@did75-8-82-226-27-213.fbx.proxad.net) 09.45.16 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 09.45.41 # playlist.c is not thread safe at all! 09.46.41 # ok, maybe a bit of an exaguration 09.49.25 # * JdGordon misread... that mutex isnt being hit (although it could be hit with a m3u playlist and not dirplay...) 09.52.48 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~cold@p54A5CB62.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.53.44 Join DerPapst1 [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-158-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.54.13 Quit esperegu (Remote host closed the connection) 09.55.08 Quit DerPapst (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09.57.42 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-067-201-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.02.01 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 10.03.30 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 10.05.39 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.06.07 Quit phanboy4 (Quit: Leaving) 10.10.36 Join Zlasher [0] (~Zlasher@119.210.216.81.static.lan.siw.siwnet.net) 10.11.20 # Is it anyway to remove the ipod os (ipod 30GB) so it dosn't dualboot all the time? 10.14.41 # Zlasher: You could use "ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod" to replace the apple firmware and Rockbox bootloader with just Rockbox. You need to run that every time you install a new version of Rockbox though. 10.15.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher has descriptions of the advanced usage of ipodpatcher for this sort of thing 10.15.17 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 10.16.02 # linuxstb: Dosn't sound to inconvinent :-) 10.16.37 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 10.16.54 # It should also boot slightly faster, as it's not loading (and then overwriting) the Apple firmware. 10.18.55 # Zlasher: BTW, if you hadn't worked it out, my suggestion was 4) on that page. 10.22.32 # Thanks. I reformated my ipod and now it's in constant reboot (nothing with the bootloader to do) 10.27.24 # Do you mean the Rockbox bootloader reboots? Or the initial Apple bootloader? Did you reformat the entire ipod (i.e. removing the firmware partition) ? 10.29.40 # The Apple bootload, just the data partition. Fixed now, booted to disk mode and are formating again 10.30.33 # Is't sane to fomat he firmare partition? since I won't use the apple OS anymore? 10.30.44 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote host closed the connection) 10.31.04 # New commit by 03pamaury (r25696): ata-sd-pp: reduce size of the buffer used to switch bank, no functional change intended. 10.31.11 # New commit by 03pamaury (r25697): dircache: increase stack size to handle the worse case path during rebuild (dircache->fat->ata-sd-pp+sdhc) and allows directory with depth up to 20 ... 10.32.51 # Zlasher: the Apple ROM code looks for a specific format on disk. You can't really change that 10.33.56 # gevaerts: Ok 10.37.05 # gevaerts: did you/could you have a look at my usb code on github and give some feedback about the old/new api handling ? 10.37.13 Quit anewuser (Quit: http://xrl.us/NitroQueer What do you know...THE WORLD'S first NTRQ (that's for NES/FAMICOM) tracking compo. Have powerpak? Try it out! Otherwise ROM IMAGE.) 10.37.33 Part LinusN 10.37.58 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.44.10 Part LinusN 10.48.21 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.54.49 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 11.00.05 Quit jordan` (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.02.08 Quit funman (Quit: free(random());) 11.08.05 Quit mt_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.08.39 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 11.11.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.16.56 Quit M1DLG (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 11.20.52 Quit Zlasher (Quit: Leaving) 11.27.33 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 11.29.53 Quit FOAD (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.32.58 # pamaury: I had a quick look at it, but it's not easy to examine such a big patch. How much work would it be to isolate the API bits from the new drivers, and ideally even of the isochronous implementation in ARC? 11.34.19 # gevaerts: Yes that's true, but I think the last commit gives a good idea. I don't understand what you mean by "isolate the API bits from the new drivers" 11.35.01 # pamaury: I mean it would be nice to have a patch with *just* the new API (and of course the new/old preprocessor magic) 11.35.31 # Ah, not too much work, I mean compared to what I already did :) 11.35.57 # I think it would be nice if that also went to svn as a separate commit 11.36.53 # also, another question. I changed lots of thing in the usb-arc driver, do we keep two separate versions of it (old api, new api) ? Or emulate the old api with the new one ? Or directly make usb drivers aware of the new api ? 11.37.17 # update the drivers I think 11.37.26 # yes, currently I took the last approach 11.37.57 # What would simplify things a lot would be a first step to go to a blocking/nonblocking 11.38.37 # And also add a buffer parameter to completion handler 11.39.22 # yes, that would be a good (and I hope noncontroversial) first step 11.39.40 # Yes, but the problem is that the old api doesn't have the blocking receive 11.40.17 # I can be implementing at the driver level for some or emulated at the core level I think (it's more complicated though) 11.40.20 # *It 12.01.09 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 12.02.55 Join mt_ [0] (~mtee@41.233.141.144) 12.03.59 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-158-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.04.02 Quit DerPapst1 (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit Zagor (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit gevaerts (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit mt (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit slck (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit parafin (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit bzed (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit Topy44 (*.net *.split) 12.04.03 Quit MagusG (*.net *.split) 12.04.05 Nick mt_ is now known as mt (~mtee@41.233.141.144) 12.04.20 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 12.04.53 Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 12.06.07 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 12.06.07 Join 94SAAF0U2 [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 12.06.07 Join slck [0] (Venci@Slackware.SlackPix.Com) 12.06.07 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 12.06.07 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 12.06.07 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@my.fastsh.it) 12.06.07 Join 94SAAFM8V [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 12.06.13 Quit 94SAAF0U2 (Quit: Reconnecting) 12.06.15 Quit 94SAAFM8V (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.06.57 Quit TheSphinX^ (Quit: XChat) 12.07.47 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~cold@p54A5CB62.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.21.13 Join watto [0] (~watto@193.203.81.165) 12.27.36 Join bobn [0] (~b006s@ip-69-54-133-225.client.bct.org) 12.27.39 # * GodEater wonders what to do with the PM he's just been sent on the forums : "Is it okay to use the illustration of the scheduler and maybe the logo of Rockbox i a university task, if we write that, we were allowed to use it by a administrator form Rockbox?" 12.27.51 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jd@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.27.52 # what scheduler is he talking about? 12.30.19 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 12.30.53 # GodEater: he's been posting that to various random threads too 12.31.07 # I was just going to say that since it's all GPL'd he can use it wherever he likes, provided he cites where he got it from? 12.31.29 Quit JdGordon_ (Client Quit) 12.31.38 # gevaerts: did someone else already reply then? 12.31.41 # not me 12.32.12 Part bobn 12.32.35 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 12.34.23 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.35.01 # wow - so he has 12.35.06 # * GodEater goes mad with the delete key 12.42.16 Join mt_ [0] (~chatzilla@41.233.141.144) 12.42.39 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 12.44.15 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.44.21 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12.48.07 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 12.52.40 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.55.16 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.58.00 # hobbs: you got a Real Name (tm) ? 12.59.05 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.03.13 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 13.03.34 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@skatol.ch.pw.edu.pl) 13.06.46 Quit mt_ (Remote host closed the connection) 13.09.09 Join adnyxo [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 13.09.33 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 13.09.33 Quit B4gder (Quit: It is time to say moo) 13.11.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.12.42 # GodEater: I don't know if you've replied, but I would just point him to the GPL and tell him that's the terms under which he can use Rockbox source code. I don't know if we've explicitly licensed the logo... 13.12.58 # I noticed yesterday that the start screen description in the manual is not complete at all (maybe not been update after a change or so). It would be nice if someone could have a look and improve what I have so far. The started patch is here: http://pastebin.com/5f0A80pK and I'm not too happy with phrasing yet, so maybe someone could help out a bit, especially comments by native speakers are welcome. Thanks :) 13.13.18 # linuxstb: already replied 13.14.55 # GodEater: In the forum, or as a PM? 13.15.02 # PM 13.15.50 # speaking of start screen... why the heck is do you have to go into the wps to autostart audio? 13.18.36 # JdGordon: because root_menu already has resume playback as an optoin 13.18.51 # so it's easier to make that a possible start screen ;) 13.19.39 # sure, blame code I wrote for that :p 13.20.08 # JdGordon: so why again did you ask? ;) 13.20.25 # because that's not really a good enough reason 13.20.33 # jdGordon: I loaded plv.wps and sort order is correct 13.20.41 # dircache off? 13.21.04 # I don't understand the question fully by the way 13.21.06 Join b0hoon [0] (~quassel@62.87.184.82) 13.22.02 # pixelma: ping 13.22.15 # where is this setting? 13.22.42 # b0hoon: pong 13.22.44 # ok found 13.23.02 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.23.08 # wodz: should by in the system options somewhere (disk or so) 13.23.17 # pixelma: could you look at the xobox.tex, line 18, please? 13.23.51 # pixelma: it is a bug i think, but it is treated normally :S, at least for the iriver 13.23.53 # oo interesting selecting again first file in dir I have 1,5,2,... and after few seconds it reorders 13.24.21 # a few seconds?! how slow is the disk? 13.24.31 # it is CF so rather slow 13.24.35 # that is a known subtly bug which I havnt done anything about yet 13.25.09 # so this is no repro on CF? 13.25.29 # nop 13.26.33 # but titles are not correct (but maybe this is id tags problem) 13.26.47 # probably 13.26.51 # * JdGordon continues to be baffled 13.27.00 # dircache off on my mini2g and no repro either 13.27.16 # no there is something wrong - I do have id tags set 13.27.35 # and half of files are displayed with tagged name and half with filename 13.27.41 # that is expected 13.27.53 # the filename is shown when the track hasnt been buffered at all 13.28.02 # ok 13.28.08 # so no sorting problem here 13.28.20 # b0hoon: left and right are missing from the MRobe100 manual, yes. It's a bug in line 19 (I wondered first until you mentioned Iriver :) ) 13.29.01 # seems always to apply to the first in the wrong "selection" 13.29.10 # pixelma: ups, sorry line 19 indeed 13.30.21 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 13.30.41 # wodz: how are you starting playback? 13.30.49 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 13.31.05 # entering dir and selecting first file 13.31.22 # pixelma: and what about Solution Playback section in the sokoban? Is it deprecated or something? Or i don't understand something? 13.34.21 # pixelma: your patch looks good to me overall, i'd drop the "will" from the settings and go for "start in foo screen", also a typo in the file browser description 13.35.48 # b0hoon: it was existent last I looked, can't remember what the trick was though 13.36.23 # pixelma: yeah, i mean where is it? i coudn't get it for my ipod video for example... 13.36.41 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.116.196.getinternet.no) 13.36.54 # n1s: the "will" was mostly from the old description (and so I chose it for some of mine too), maybe you are right 13.37.08 # pixelma: the same for the snake2, looks like the instructions are for an old menu. 13.38.25 # it's just a style thing, afaik neither is more correct 13.46.27 Join Antibuddha [0] (~chatzilla@c-71-59-22-179.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 13.46.29 # has 240gb and 36K+ files been implemented into rockbox for ipod? 13.46.47 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 13.48.37 # Antibuddha: For 240GB disks, you need a "current build" of Rockbox (not 3.5.1). You will also need an as-yet unreleased bootloader (see the forums for links. I think). 13.48.38 # Antibuddha: lba48 support is implemented, yes, you do need an unofficial build of the bootloader though (from the clean svn source) 13.48.47 # ok ty 13.49.04 # nano2g doesn't have lba48 :) 13.50.01 # i dunno about any number of files limit 13.50.01 # Zagor: i doubt i can handle a disk too :) 13.50.02 # it* 13.50.22 # we only care about number of files per dir, not total 13.51.18 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.brig.cable.ntl.com) 13.51.39 # Plus number of files in a playlist? 13.51.46 # right, that too 13.52.03 # I assume the id3 database doesn't have an arbitrary limit? 13.52.31 # * linuxstb has no idea 13.52.33 # is the disk size for the db files considered an arbitrary limit? 13.52.52 # zagor, i think it has a max memory usage limit if loaded to ram at least 13.53.04 # ok i downloaded the test bootloader and ipodpatcher 13.53.20 # JdGordon: I'd call that a physical limit 13.53.21 # what is the current build thing i need? is it http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodvideo64mb.zip 13.53.42 # Yes, assuming your ipod video has 64MB RAM. 13.55.13 # ok i'm going to go pick up the ipod from the post office 13.55.19 # ty 13.57.50 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.00.25 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote host closed the connection) 14.01.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCB1FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.01.29 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.05.32 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 14.10.31 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.12.35 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 14.14.00 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 14.14.06 # why is there "#define CONFIG_USBOTG USBOTG_ARC" in sansacliplus.h ? 14.16.48 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 14.20.45 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.21.43 # JdGordon: if you're speaking of the 6MB limit, it's an arbitary limit AFAIK 14.25.07 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 14.25.51 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.207.167.104) 14.31.38 # kugel: is there a 6MB *file size* limit? 14.31.44 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 14.32.03 # pamaury: copy/pasting, i think what CONFIG_USBOTG is defined to doesn't matter at this point 14.32.06 # I misread JdGordon 14.32.21 # ture 14.32.22 # true 14.32.45 # maybe I'm confusing it with dircache, but one of them artificially limits itself to 6MB 14.32.47 # funman: does someone know how to test usb connection on clip+ ? 14.32.58 # *test/detect 14.33.41 Part b0hoon ("Back to work.") 14.35.59 # nope 14.38.35 # I'm trying to figure out from the linux patch but quite unsuccessfully currently :( 14.38.35 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se) 14.38.35 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 14.38.40 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 14.40.10 # Zagor: I dont tihnk you did... I didnt know about that, although i tinhk the 6MB limit is dircache not database 14.41.02 # ok 14.43.12 Join Schmogel [0] (~Miranda@p3EE2187F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.44.18 # yeah, I like the linux patch: "refer to task_control.c" but it doesn't exist ! 14.48.19 # haha, I think I got it 14.52.41 Quit arbingordon (Quit: `) 15.00.36 Join mt_ [0] (~mtee@41.233.147.217) 15.00.51 Join arbingordon [0] (~w@unaffiliated/arbingordon) 15.01.38 Quit mt (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.02.26 # Are C struct bit fields ordered from most signicant bit to least signicant bit ? 15.05.07 # that's probably undefined 15.05.15 # kugel: correct 15.05.51 Quit mt_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.05.58 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 15.06.26 # ok, based on the code I would say yes for gcc, assuming the developper use a sensical convention 15.06.30 # *sensible 15.06.33 Join mt [0] (~mtee@rockbox/developer/mt) 15.10.45 # pamaury: it's in fact implementation-defined behavior 15.11.33 # yes I know but the dev of the linux patch seem to think it's well defined, at least for gcc for arm 15.11.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.17 Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@212.183.140.50) 15.17.14 # is there any progress in commiting mpio port to svn? 15.29.33 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15.30.43 Quit M3DLG (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.31.16 # funman: can I prevent database rebuilding in the OF of the clip+ ? 15.31.19 Join evilnick_B [0] (~0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.33.47 # pamaury: no you can't. Removing the uSD shortens it though.... 15.34.41 # that's a shame :( 15.35.04 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 15.35.35 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.42.06 Quit rasher (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.46.22 # pamaury: the principle is to not put stuff on the internal memory as long as you're often updating rockbox :) 15.46.44 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 15.46.44 Quit rasher (Changing host) 15.46.44 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 15.47.09 # kugel: I simply renamed MUSIC to _MUSIC so the OF doesn't scan it :) 15.49.15 Quit esperegu (Read error: Operation timed out) 15.49.36 # pamaury: the OF scans everything AFAIK 15.50.07 # I'm quite sure it does, because all my music is in "Musik" 15.51.53 # then it worked for me five minutes ago but perhaps it was by chance 15.52.13 # ah yes you're right :( 16.05.11 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.06.33 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 16.06.34 Quit esperegu (Remote host closed the connection) 16.07.47 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 16.08.23 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 16.13.46 Quit thinkpadx61 (Quit: leaving) 16.14.10 Quit n17ikh (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.14.23 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.15.16 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 16.16.38 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.16.44 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 16.18.58 Join n17ikh [0] (~n17ikh@host-69-59-126-212.nctv.com) 16.26.44 Quit CGL (Quit: Saliendo) 16.30.29 Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.32.32 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.36.30 Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 16.43.20 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 16.47.20 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.51.29 Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@212.183.140.0) 16.53.26 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 16.55.18 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1) 16.57.49 Part lpereira 17.01.09 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 17.02.31 Join Strife89 [0] (~michael@168.16.232.173) 17.06.16 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 17.11.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.57 Quit Zagor (Quit: Leaving) 17.19.50 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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I use OF for USB, Recording & Podcasts / Audiobooks. 18.39.04 # bertrik: sizeof is an operator, not a function; it doesn't need parens 18.39.32 # you do if you use it with structs, dont you? 18.39.59 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.40.12 # you need it sometimes in certain constructs, yes, but that's no different to any other operator 18.40.17 # bug2000: An OF upgrade will remove the rb bootloader, and i don't know whether the installation tools already support that of 18.41.15 # kugel: So it's not 100% I can create a new rb bootloader? heh. I guess I can wait. 18.42.04 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de) 18.43.11 # bug2000: you can try it, the installers will fail if the OF version is unknown 18.43.31 # IIRC, the .35 version was added by funman 18.47.53 Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@212.183.140.54) 18.50.32 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.52.44 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 18.54.27 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 18.55.18 Join ifonefox [0] (~irchon@mtsd.k12.nj.us) 18.55.23 Quit ifonefox (Client Quit) 18.56.02 Quit Schmogel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.58.37 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 18.58.52 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.59.41 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 19.04.09 # Torne: Do you remember that discussion we had re: unclean shutdown/legacy items left on the screen? 19.04.15 # yes, i saw your comment 19.04.25 # i don't particularly want to look into it though :) 19.04.30 # i have so far stayed out of the actual UI code ;) 19.04.32 # I managed to find a way to do it consistently, seems to be something to do with the .sbs 19.05.17 # Fair enough, just wanted to pop in and say that "yes, I can reproduce it, so...I'm not insane" ;) 19.07.13 # And yes, the UI code seems to be an easy way to take a quick trip to a headache. 19.07.54 Join webguest36 [0] (~d463ff2a@giant.haxx.se) 19.09.19 # Hey, Is it okay to use the illustration of the scheduler and maybe the logo of Rockbox i a university task, if we write that, we were allowed to use it by a administrator form Rockbox? 19.09.31 # What would you say? 19.10.47 # webguest36: I'm reasonably confident you can use the images without consent. 19.10.49 # what do you mean by illustration of the scheduler? 19.11.14 # Well, depending on how they're used I guess ;) 19.11.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.11.52 # The scheduler is here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxKernel 19.12.04 Quit n17ikh (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.12.55 # Zagor told me: Sure, that's fine. 19.13.13 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 19.13.17 # kugel / bertrik: seems like it can patch. I'll try it in a moment. 19.13.36 # Godeater told me: Thanks for asking - but you don't really need to! Basically since the Rockbox logo is held in our source code repository, and all our source code is GPL - you're free to use it wherever you like, as long as you cite where you got it from - you don't really need "permission". 19.13.44 # Yes, well...I don;t see why it wouldn't. Kudos for checking forst though. 19.13.59 # *first even 19.14.49 # XaiverGr told me: I think it would be ok, (attributing proper credits of course) but for a final permission you should ask some developers on the Rockbox IRC channel. They should be able to give you a final say. 19.15.24 # Well, trust GodEater on that. He is quite correct. 19.15.47 # And would you like to see the poster before I send it in? 19.16.02 # Or is it ok 19.16.27 # It should be fine. 19.16.37 Join n17ikh [0] (~n17ikh@host-69-59-126-212.nctv.com) 19.16.38 # Thanks.. :-D 19.16.41 Join perfectdrug1 [0] (~marko@p5B0EF3DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.16.49 # As long as there are no "Rockbox Sucks" banners that go with it ;) 19.17.41 # No no only good vibes.. :-) 19.18.19 # Sweet, perhaps put a plug in for "www.rockbox.org" somewhere ;) 19.18.25 # It all helps ;) 19.18.46 # It is there. 19.19.20 Join Schmogel [0] (~Miranda@p3EE2187F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.19.40 # webguest36: What is the project? Do you mind me asking? 19.20.37 Quit M3DLG (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.20.43 Quit rasher (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.20.46 Join Strife89 [0] (~michael@168.16.237.214) 19.21.20 # * linuxstb wonders what the license is for the content of the Rockbox wiki 19.22.18 Join ifonefox [0] (~irchon@mtsd.k12.nj.us) 19.22.29 Quit ifonefox (Client Quit) 19.24.46 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 19.29.53 Quit esperegu (Read error: Operation timed out) 19.31.10 # It is for a poster. We have to make a poster in the Parallel and real-time systems course. 19.31.38 # S_A_I_N_T 19.32.03 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 19.33.24 # I put it in as my profil picture, but it is very small 19.33.34 # S_A_I_N_T 19.34.00 # Sweet, thanks... 19.35.01 # And it is in danish S_A_I_N_T :-/ 19.38.02 # I do not know were to upload it, so you can see it in full size, it is in A2. S_A_I_N_T 19.41.52 Join Strath [0] (~Strath__@173-31-158-86.client.mchsi.com) 19.45.36 # hi 19.45.50 # my ipod just got stuck saying "unsupported physical sector size: 4096 19.46.13 # i just put in the 240gb mk2431gah and used current build, ipod patcher and bootloader 19.46.26 # Antibuddha: Then you didn't install either the test bootloader or a Rockbox current build, depending on what is giving you that error. 19.46.29 # now do i hard reset it or something? its stuck saying unsupported 19.46.37 # ok 19.46.46 # Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY 19.46.55 # That puts the ipod in disk mode. 19.47.15 # ok 19.49.11 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.49.13 # strange it was working ifne 19.49.17 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz) 19.49.25 # but after turning it off and turning back up windows wants to format it again 19.50.52 # is there no British English native speaker around wanting to help with the manual (or reading the logs)? 19.51.11 # * linuxstb reads the logs... 19.51.50 # pixelma: Can you give me a clue? 19.52.36 # bug2000, I have a clip (v1) too, but haven't tried the new firmware/rockbox bootloader 19.52.52 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 19.53.10 # * pixelma points linuxstb to 13:13 in today's logs 19.54.03 Quit Antibuddha (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 19.55.38 Join silverwolf [0] (~9e500802@giant.haxx.se) 19.57.03 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 19.57.27 Quit silverwolf (Client Quit) 19.57.28 # bug2000: you mean Clip OF v01.01.35 ? 19.57.36 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19.58.12 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.01.36 # webguest36: I updated RockboxKernel a bit 20.02.27 Quit webguest36 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 20.03.01 Quit Boldfilter (*.net *.split) 20.03.01 Quit MagusG (*.net *.split) 20.03.01 Quit scorche (*.net *.split) 20.03.01 Quit aevin (*.net *.split) 20.03.01 Quit crwl (*.net *.split) 20.08.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.08.46 Join Boldfilter [0] (~Boldfilte@adsl-82-100-65.jax.bellsouth.net) 20.08.46 Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 20.08.46 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.08.46 Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) 20.08.46 Join crwl [0] (~crwlll@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fe10fb00-173.dhcp.inet.fi) 20.08.50 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCB1FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.10.47 # pixelma: I've been thinking about it, and I'm wondering if there is a need for a fuller description? It all seems to be stating the obvious (apart perhaps from the "resume playback" option). Would it be technically correct to say that the behaviour is the same as if the user immediately selected that option from the main menu when Rockbox starts? 20.11.21 Quit Zambezi (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.11.41 # Bagder: Do you know if the contents of the Rockbox wiki has a license? I can't see reference to one anywhere obvious. 20.11.58 # no it doesn't, one of those mistakes we've never fixed... 20.12.18 # * linuxstb shuts up then ;) 20.18.01 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@80.67.9.2) 20.20.00 Join mikroflops_ [0] (~yogurt@90-227-45-110-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 20.22.49 Quit flydutch (Quit: /* empty */) 20.24.04 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20.25.30 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 20.26.50 # linuxstb: hmm... at least I like an up to date list and then just a list looks weird (I think) 20.29.00 # pixelma: I guess I'm thinking like a programmer - to see the up to date list, just choose that option in Rockbox ;) The more you document, the more documentation you have to maintain.... 20.29.15 # But I have made a few corrections/changes to your text... 20.29.57 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.30.25 # http://pastebin.com/TeuZAjB8 20.30.42 # Is there a reason for the "."s in the item names? Is that how they appear on-screen? 20.31.02 Join webguest43 [0] (~42685cc8@giant.haxx.se) 20.33.13 Quit Zambezi (Changing host) 20.33.13 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@unaffiliated/zambezi) 20.33.19 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.34.50 Join pamaury [0] (~c2c7a50a@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.35.35 Join Luca_S [0] (~5711b744@giant.haxx.se) 20.38.14 Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-066-089.nc.res.rr.com) 20.39.42 Quit webguest43 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 20.49.37 Quit Strath (Quit: Leaving) 20.54.36 # * Llorean just had an idea for "visual language files." 20.54.45 # For themeing, more or less. 20.55.14 # How will this benefit the project? ;) 20.55.17 # A lot of people want "graphical" themes. Maybe something along being able to associate language strings with an image that will take their place if present. 20.56.14 # Since the UI is getting quite customizable anyway, rather than "new UI" ideas, maybe the focus should be on coming up with new ways to present the existing information within the UI. Layout is affect a lot, but the assumption is still more or less "and then we show them the string, and the icon next to it" 20.56.38 # But voice files present that information as sound. 20.59.34 # Basically, allow themers to replace *any* language string with a referenced image within one large bitmap file (like a sprite sheet for old style games) or load small bitmap files (provides some delay on loading, especially on disk targets, but allows very large/complex themes without eating all of the RAM, maybe an LRU cache for them similar to fonts) so that things like splashes or yes/no screen could be customized more in themes. 21.00.17 # I don't see how you'd do it in the code 21.00.47 Nick domonoky is now known as rockbox|domonoky (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.01.15 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 21.01.51 # gevaerts: Doesn't necessarily concern me if you can't. I was just thinking on all the "new UI" proposals, and thinking that a lot of them are about different visual presentation of data. 21.02.29 # New lists (multiple columns, advancing by pages or fixed amounts, etc) would go a long way to that, but everyone seems to want large icons too. 21.02.58 # Llorean: I'm sure it will concern you if nobody can :) 21.03.03 # We're not there yet of course 21.03.22 Part watto 21.03.22 # Nah, it's not a feature I want, so it doesn't concern me if nobody can. 21.03.32 # I've been thinking on making a larger "stock" iconset for a while now...would it be worthwhile doing so? 21.03.48 # It's just an idea I had for another way to present flexibility to users that might allow less obvious impact for people not using it 21.04.15 # S_a_i_n_t: Like, icons the same size as the characters used in larger font default themes? 21.04.41 # For some targets, I imagine the icons would seem to be rather tiny. 21.04.48 # yes. 21.05.00 Join EricEinem [0] (~42685cc8@giant.haxx.se) 21.05.05 # Isn't the default icon set just scaled down icons from some well known open source icon set (tango or similar?) 21.05.21 # I imagine new icons would be welcome, but the ideal would be to just use the same original fullsize icons, scaled to the new sizes. 21.05.27 # I was thinking mabe 15X15px/16x16px 21.05.27 # around there. 21.05.32 # IIRC they are 12px ATM 21.06.50 # yes, tango icons except on the smallest displays where the old monochrome ones are used 21.06.53 # So...what we're saying here, is that .bmp scaling for .icons would be useful? 21.06.53 # Hmmmmm... 21.07.04 # * S_a_i_n_t wondeers if he could pull that off. 21.07.15 # *wonders also 21.07.21 Quit shaggy-h (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.07.46 Join shaggy-h [0] (~kiwi@78-86-164-31.zone2.bethere.co.uk) 21.08.03 # Well, in the interim, I will churn out a set of larger icons if they'll actually get used. 21.08.27 # And think about how to implement .bmp scaling for the icons (probably a nightmare) 21.08.41 Quit komputes (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21.08.49 # No 21.08.55 # We're not saying that .bmp scaling would make sense 21.08.59 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.09.06 # Just finding the originals and making new .bmps of them scaled to the appropriate sizes 21.09.14 # It'll look much nicer and cleaner that way. 21.09.19 # Could someone add me, EricEinem, to the WikiUsers group? I'm new to RockBox and am interested in working on enhancements. 21.09.19 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 21.10.35 # so, hit me with some size sugestions 12px is current IIRC, so 16px, 18px, 20px? 21.10.43 # How large should I bother going? 21.11.00 # 16? 21.11.25 # I would say using the exact same height as the font is probably best. 21.11.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.12.12 # Righto, I'll look into the default font sizes for the larger screen targets and start from there. 21.12.31 Join FOAD [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net) 21.12.57 Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@212.183.140.49) 21.13.20 # the greyscale variant looks still badly scaled 21.14.04 # especially colour wise. I believe you really have to rework them by hand and not let a program do it 21.14.23 # pixelma: yes, this is true. 21.14.37 # Its painstaking...but needs to be done by hand for the most part. 21.14.48 # EricEinem: done 21.14.48 # colour wise in the sense of posterizing to the 4 shades 21.17.36 # linuxstb: thanks for your input and help. Just stating "see the options for an up-to-date list" is questioning quite some parts of the manual though 21.18.17 # pixelma: Yes, as I said, I'm talking as a programmer, not as a manual writer... 21.18.31 Join captainewkl [0] (~2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-xxtuqibixisebqds) 21.19.30 Nick merbanan is now known as FFmpeg|merbanan (~banan@c-94-255-217-199.cust.bredband2.com) 21.22.15 Nick rockbox|domonoky is now known as domonoky (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.22.20 Nick FFmpeg|merbanan is now known as merbanan (~banan@c-94-255-217-199.cust.bredband2.com) 21.24.02 # oh well. The "."s appear on the screen yes, I usually just try to keep the current style. In the PDF the items appear just in bold and the explanation follows on the same line, so I always assumed the periods where there as another "item name stops here" sign, I *believe* that the explanation is on the line below in the HTML version though. I should also check if we have a rule for this, haven't done it so far 21.24.15 # linuxstb ^ 21.24.41 Join Strath [0] (~Strath__@173-31-158-86.client.mchsi.com) 21.24.54 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 21.26.18 # pixelma: By "on-screen" I meant "on your \dap{}'s screen" 21.26.23 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 21.26.51 # i.e. in Rockbox 21.26.53 # ah, you improved the WPS line. It was there before and I didn't take the time to think of something better yet :) 21.27.51 # linuxstb: then no, I don't think so. 21.28.41 Quit M3DLG (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.28.42 # I can't think of a single sentence style - with or without period on Rockbox's menus 21.28.57 # +item 21.30.06 # pixelma: No, nor can I. That's why it looked odd to me in your patch. But if that's how the rest of the manual does it, then best to keep them. 21.32.00 # rockbox|domonokey - Thanks! 21.32.32 # linuxstb: maybe things would work better if the item was not part of the sentence? 21.33.14 # a bit more like a headline 21.34.53 Quit phanboy4 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.35.33 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.35.34 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 21.35.37 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 21.35.39 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.35.55 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 21.36.02 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.43.20 Quit EricEinem (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.46.22 # S_a_i_n_t: test_disk numbers might be useful 21.46.48 # I need to compile with the test pugins then, correct? 21.46.52 # yes 21.47.54 # Sweet...I should have some numbers for you by then end of *my* day then, which may well indeed be tomorrow for you. 21.49.16 Quit evilnick_B (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.51.47 Quit captainewkl (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.51.56 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.58.11 # On my 5G 30G, I get 11.7MB/s read and 11.9MB/s write in rockbox, and 13.5MB/s read and 14.1MB/s write in the OF, for a 300MB read or write at the start of the disk 21.59.08 Quit n17ikh (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.59.36 Join evilnick_B [0] (~0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 22.04.10 # surely thats greater than 5%? 22.04.18 # Unless my maths is *really* bad... 22.04.34 # yes, but it's to disk. 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