--- Log for 06.06.110 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 8 hours ago 00.00.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.03.11 # does rockboy steal the audio buffer? 00.03.50 # I would be surprised if it didn't 00.03.57 # GodEater: probably FS#11357 if you haven't seen it 00.04.01 Quit Jennifur (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.04.11 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-057-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) 00.04.21 # New commit by 03amiconn (r26599): Put an #ifdef in the technically correct place. No functional change. 00.04.23 # saratoga: sweet 00.04.45 Join Jennifur [0] (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) 00.04.49 Join djzn [0] (~djzn@200-206-152-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) 00.05.14 # saratoga: check my_malloc() in rockboy.c 00.05.38 # are wavpack files encoded with -m -h perfectly playable in rockbox? (meaning MD5, High Compression) 00.05.53 # not sure what's the +4 for 00.06.55 # djzn: try and see? 00.07.28 # GodEater: you tell me 00.07.48 # are these files any different then normal wavpack files? 00.07.49 # how? I don't have any. 00.08.33 # saratoga: of course not... they are wavpack files 00.10.06 # saratoga: wavpack has the fast mode, normal mode, high mode, and extreme high mode... the last one is not recommended for portables, because it requires vast amount of CPU... however, I was wondering if I stick with high mode, it will occour any trouble every now and then... 00.10.53 # well if you're not sure how they're different, then you should probably try it and see if theres any difference 00.12.30 # saratoga: I don't have a portable... 00.12.33 # funman: configure:10478: checking linker for .hidden support 00.12.33 # configure:10534: result: yes 00.12.35 # Unhelpful: we don't need FS#10430 any more do we? (eabi support, patch for rockboxdev.sh) 00.12.41 # saratoga: I am thinking about getting a fuze though 00.12.46 Quit GeekShad0w (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 00.12.53 # djzn: post a file and i'll try it 00.13.01 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 00.13.02 # funman: what is your host gcc? 00.13.11 # saratoga: do you have ipod or fuze? 00.13.18 # hmm maybe i can just make one 00.13.33 # whats the command in wavpack? 00.13.47 # djzn: As a tip, asking if they're "playable in Rockbox" when what you're concerned about is performance isn't very useful. Specific players have very different performances (some can be as much as 5 or 6 times the speed of others, I think) 00.13.54 # i have read that album art embedded, makes players choke... is it true, that is , is it a bad practice to embed it? 00.13.55 # i686-apple-darwin9 gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5493) 00.14.04 # it shouldn't matter 00.14.31 # Llorean: yes, you're right, so I will narrow this down to iPod classic video and Sansa Fuze... 00.14.35 # funman: that could be it. I'm guessing most linux machines have a later version. 00.14.58 # saratoga: the command i use is wavpack -m -h music.wav 00.14.58 # mine is on 4.4.2 for example 00.15.05 # 4.4.3 even 00.15.38 # djzn: "iPod Classic" and "iPod Video" are two different devices - Rockbox supports the latter but not the former 00.15.50 # The iPod video though is probably unlikely to do well with particularly CPU intensive formats. 00.16.07 Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.209.35.116.getinternet.no) 00.16.34 # Llorean: yes, the video one i mean 00.17.25 # gcc checks for '.hidden' visibility in ld : on linux it works but not on osx - could also be related to gcc m4 using GNU features 00.18.00 # * Llorean doesn't know where the AMS Sansas stand on the overall speed hierarchy. 00.18.14 # I believe the Cowon D2 and Gigabeast are generally toward the top. 00.18.32 # well it plays fine on the ClipV2 00.18.48 # though unless i'm missing something my build doesn't have a boost menu in the debug screen anymore? 00.19.02 # I think the clip didn't do so bad decoding ape compared to other targets 00.19.18 # the v2 is pretty good due to its very fast cpu 00.20.06 # saratoga: did you just played the wv file? 00.20.07 # did we move the boost counter? i can't find it anywhere 00.20.29 # saratoga: AMSv2 have boost disabled 00.20.38 # ah yes 00.20.40 # running at 240MHz 00.20.55 # djzn: yeah 00.21.33 # saratoga: the fuze? 00.21.37 # clipv2 00.21.48 # saratoga: hm! fuze will handle it 00.21.58 # well its the same CPU on the v2 fuze 00.22.10 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 00.22.11 # It might be worth trying extreme high mode 00.22.34 # saratoga: if the extreme high mode plays, then it plays anything... 00.22.41 # Since it's hard to predict whether any given sample is a good indicator of performance or not, at least seeing if the next one up still seems to play gives you a clue 00.23.09 # saratoga: wavpack -hh -m music.wav 00.23.09 Join togetic [0] (~togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 00.23.24 # Though how much space is gained using wavpack vs FLAC's highest compression anyway? 00.23.50 # Llorean: well, the High mode compresses about 8% more than FLAC -8 00.24.43 # high needs 52MHz on PP 00.25.04 # 8% seems pretty high, I thought it was a lot less. 00.25.39 # * Llorean shrugs 00.25.57 # Sounds like high is pretty much safe on anything Rockbox runs on then? 00.26.14 # what about embedded art... 00.26.17 # can it choke the player 00.26.28 # djzn: Saratoga told you it shouldn't matter. 00.26.30 # If it does, it's a bug. 00.27.13 # well, it matters because... i read in the very rockbox documentation 00.27.18 # that you shouldn't use it 00.27.34 # however, until which point that can be true or outdated, i am lost 00.27.43 # in wavpack? 00.27.52 # yes 00.27.57 # djzn: Which documentation says this? 00.27.59 # Surely not the manual? 00.28.12 # hold on 00.28.56 # if i run gcc's configure manually then m68k linker does support '.hidden' 00.29.03 # from the FAQ: The database freezes when I try to initialize it, what would cause it to choke?The database does not handle embedded album art well, particularly if they're large. Try removing it. A corrupt file is another common reason for this. Verify your drives contents with checkdisk. 00.29.21 # Yes, it's a *bug* 00.29.51 # It shouldn't cause a problem, but it may. 00.30.02 # basically thats telling you how to trouble shoot bugs 00.30.39 # 600x600 px art 00.30.42 # i disabled m68k builds on this client (bug 'fixed') 00.30.45 # should be fine then 00.32.13 # people on ABI are still complaining that I swapped the quick screen and hold button combos 00.32.24 # does anyone have any ideas about the clip+ keymap 00.32.30 # saratoga: wavpack high requires about 58Mhz, is that what you said 00.32.39 # i don't know, scroll up 00.32.52 # saratoga: high needs 52MHz on PP 00.33.02 # which would be the ceiling to choke 00.33.15 # saratoga: having hold being a combination is nice for accidental pocket push, although long press works too so i don't know 00.33.35 # people at devcon talked about quick setting but i didn't pay much attention 00.33.37 # the high setting in wavpack only seems a little slower then the normal setting FWIW 00.33.49 # i never use the quick screen so i'm not a good person to ask 00.34.12 # saratoga: in what way slower 00.36.23 # saratoga: if someone really cleans the clip keymap and that putting back old combination for hold is part of the patch, then i don't mind 00.36.42 # i tried to incitate the people on ABI to do it but i think it didn't work :/ 00.38.38 # saratoga: in what way did you mean slower... the UI gets slower? 00.38.47 # slower means less faster 00.38.52 # djzn: its a couple MHz slower 00.39.18 # saratoga: Oh you mean the Mhz speed... I see, like 45Mhz 00.39.48 # funman: your closing message in the AMS thread seems to have sparked panic: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475691&postcount=540 00.39.50 # saratoga: but I should see then no difference, playing, browsing and skipping high mode files and normal mode files 00.39.56 # yes 00.40.07 # just a little less battery life 00.40.33 # pixelma: \note{When the cursor is on the input line, \ActionKbdSelect deletes the preceding character} 00.40.36 # like 2 hours (normal) and 1:54 (high) 00.40.41 # thanks 00.40.53 # since the high and normal files are basically the same size i would just use normal 00.41.25 # saratoga: i suppose i could be a bit more clear 00.41.48 # saratoga: reason for high is that is better than the highest flac setting 00.42.06 # better here seems pretty useless 00.43.17 # saratoga: if it plays alright, then there is no trouble 00.43.25 Join guymann [0] (~charlie@66-159-149-51.adsl.snet.net) 00.44.54 # saratoga: just edited the message 00.44.57 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.) 00.45.16 # saratoga: you would choose normal over high because of battery life 00.45.27 # saratoga: because every second is precious..right 00.45.48 # yes, as I said before the high setting seems fairly useless 00.47.37 # saratoga: not very well articulated that assumption... since I get a few Mhz more, and a little decrese on battery life... unless this is about 30 minutes LESS for a charge 00.49.46 # woohoo, all feature requests in flyspray are now closed! 00.50.24 # \o\ |o| /o/ 00.52.08 # saratoga: do you have a clipv1 with a working build? i'm bissecting some regression which gives -(minus) 250kB audio buffer and now at 26313 - which does a data abort at init 00.52.48 # funman: yes, but its in my car 00.52.55 # should i go get it and try that build? 00.53.47 # saratoga: no need i'm just going back further, i'll find a working revision soon 00.54.57 # i'm running a build around 26000 without issues, but i haven't checked the buffer size 00.55.16 # if it can play audio it's not affected 00.55.53 # oh -250KB :) 00.56.00 # i read that as 250KB total 00.56.05 # saratoga: you're right, a full album with 413MB with high mode, it's only 417MB in normal 00.56.07 # ;) 00.56.55 # how does wavpack work in rockbox, I know we don't support the correction files yet, but we do allow wavpack lossy? 00.58.35 # anyone opposing FS#11357 (Reorganized rockboxdev.sh)? otherwise I'll commit it soon. 00.58.49 # i think my clipv1 might have overheated or something 00.59.39 # funman: i'm grabbing coffee, i'll go get my clip while i do 00.59.45 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 01.00.05 # Zagor, I trust you to do it right :) 01.05.10 # New commit by 03zagor (r26600): Added GMP and MPFR workaround for EABI GCC. ... 01.06.15 # saratoga: have you measured how much Mhz is needed for FLAC 01.06.55 # djzn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison 01.07.51 # saratoga: perhaps there's something wrong in my .rockbox 01.11.14 # wow flac is outstanding 01.11.22 # when it comes down to decoding time 01.13.40 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 01.16.11 # i did have an english.voice, it started behaving weird when i switched rockbox language to english because rockboxers here couldn't read french ;-) 01.20.11 # New commit by 03zagor (r26601): Typo: We're using mipsel, not mips. 01.23.03 Part djzn 01.29.00 # funman: any chance that the change by Timar/dfkt which increases volume (to 0x1b) on the Clip+ will be incorporated? 01.29.20 # it brings the maximum volume much closer to what the OF can do 01.29.27 # without clipping 01.31.56 # literal: the current value is bound to dB range (-73 to 6) i think so unless someone calculates the new ranges and checks that it's still somehow linear it'll just stay that way 01.32.13 # which volume the OF does use is not a reference - we don't care about the OF 01.32.45 # New commit by 03zagor (r26602): Added arm-eabi-gcc444 compiler. 01.34.08 # funman did i miss the answer about my clip+ restart issue? 01.37.09 # New commit by 03zagor (r26603): Gah, revision must be bumped too. 01.37.56 # notlistening: yes, it will work if you patch OF with next (not yet released) version of mkamsboot / rbutil. in the meantime you have to keep pressing left key if you want the OF to boot when plugging usb 01.39.23 # New commit by 03zagor (r26604): Added 30 second loop delay. 01.40.09 # thats fine just was not sure if it was release yet I am patient enough cheers again 01.43.25 Quit notlistening (Quit: Leaving) 01.48.49 # perhaps we should just make a new mkamsboot release 01.50.26 # this would fix usb detection on some fuzev2 and all clip+ 01.50.37 # + add support some last OF releases 01.52.21 Quit liar (Quit: Verlassend) 01.52.55 # funman: I think that volume patch doesn't change the range, but rather changes something about the amps that rescales the 0dB point 01.53.05 # so at the same dB everything is louder 01.56.08 Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@bb-87-81-252-83.ukonline.co.uk) 01.58.51 # New commit by 03zagor (r26605): makeinfo is required by recent binutils and gcc 02.00.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.01.24 # saratoga: i think you know better than me, so i let you do it :') 02.01.30 # ha 02.01.41 # is there a patch so I can see what registers its actually changing? 02.02.25 # oh i found it 02.02.53 # description for headphone/lineout output and dac output is identical in as3514 and as3543 02.03.03 # you have the as3543 datasheet? 02.03.59 # let me check my email i can't remember if you sent it to me 02.04.19 # no i don't, could you send it to me 02.05.16 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 02.08.34 # sure 02.08.45 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 02.11.14 Quit JohannesSM64 (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev) 02.11.38 # dfkt's rmaa tests are strange 02.11.52 # at +6dB output he gets worse clipping as the mixer volume is lowered 02.12.08 # i would expect the opposite with lower mixer volumes reducing the clipping 02.15.16 Quit Rob2223 (Quit: Rob2223) 02.17.27 Quit petur (Quit: Zzzzzz) 02.19.01 Part Domonoky 02.19.19 Join Domonoky [0] (~domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 02.21.52 Quit Zambezi (Quit: 2weeks idletime.) 02.22.34 # saratoga, funman: the as3525 datasheet show the min volume to be -40.5dB and as3514.c has the min setting at -73.5dB. Could this be causing the problems with the mismatch with OF? 02.23.21 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.23.31 Quit Domonoky (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.23.37 # mc2739: theres two different volume settings, one for the mixer and one for the headphone amp, each has about 40dB of volume control 02.23.44 # so its 73.5dB in total 02.24.06 # take a look at audiohw_set_master_vol, theres two registers it adjusts 02.24.20 # AS3514_DAC_R/L and AS3514_HPH_OUT_R/L 02.25.18 # what i don't get is the results in this post: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=471215&postcount=383 02.25.28 # where increasing the DAC volume makes the amp clip less 02.27.54 # New commit by 03zagor (r26606): Corrected the GMP & MPFR workaround. 02.27.56 # "here's a build I made with mix volume set to 0x1B. Greater values produce some amount of clipping with a 0dbFS sine wave at absolute volume levels => mix volume. This one is free from clipping however. " 02.28.04 # oh well that seems pretty straight forward then 02.28.12 # just set the mixer to 0dB and you don't get clipping 02.30.45 # i have tested mkamsboot1.3 binaries, just missing linux amd64 02.31.00 Quit Zagor (Quit: Leaving) 02.31.16 # i'll get them built tomorrow 02.31.17 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 02.31.17 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.34.42 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 02.42.01 # hi guys 02.42.38 # would upgrading from the 3.4 rockbox firmware to 3.6 would delete my music files 02.43.17 # or can I safely just upgrade without losing my data (first time upgrading) (files are saved on a harddisk elsewhere so no problem there) 02.45.45 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 02.45.45 # your music is safe 02.46.26 # just "extract to" the root of your player, your music will be fine. 02.46.36 # anewuser: ^^ 02.46.56 # awesome 02.47.02 # ty! 02.51.44 # do we have map files for 3.6 builds? 02.53.36 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDC9562.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.10.53 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.14.46 Join kaylinsigswort [0] (~Zigtown@CPE00259ce0fdb2-CM0014f8cc807a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.16.09 Join storm` [0] (~lol@ip98-179-182-180.ri.ri.cox.net) 03.24.36 # AlexP: nice work on the closures :) 03.35.30 # Who is the keeper of the as3514 datasheet? Would it be possible to get a copy? 03.35.50 # email the commmiters mailing list 03.36.07 # thanks 03.41.41 # funman: 21877... when the volume is being changed it puts the text value instead of the image on the screen... like the statusbar 03.41.52 Quit hebz0rl (Quit: Ex-Chat) 03.42.19 Quit merbanan (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.51.25 # New commit by 03bieber (r26607): Theme Editor: Altered the SkinDocument class' handling of tab titles and added a title to the confirm close dialog box, changed tab order in the ... 03.59.39 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 04.00.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.00.43 Join Barahir_ [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f75dd.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.03.57 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.04.39 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.08.56 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@stgt-5d84b68d.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.08.58 Quit TheSeven (Changing host) 04.08.58 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.09.42 Quit DerPapst (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.09.55 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.11.04 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-138-227.mcn.bellsouth.net) 04.11.06 # New commit by 03bieber (r26608): Theme Editor: Added code generation with tabs 04.12.42 # bieber: implement the "open file" window already :D copy/pasting code sucks! 04.12.55 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@211.235-ppp.3menatwork.com) 04.12.58 # Haha, it's next up on my task list 04.14.09 # and displaying the parse error would be really nice :) 04.15.38 # hehe, segfault pressing "update code" if the tree is emptty 04.16.28 # Oh, yeah, I should probably take care of that too :/ 04.17.38 # :( looks like there is another subtle parse error with nested conditionals 04.18.02 # %?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> -> Error on line 2: Expected list close 04.18.18 # %?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)> is the problem 04.24.37 # !seen bertrik 04.33.56 Part Strife89 ("Leaving") 04.48.48 Join Tarvis [0] (~Tarvis@97.100.203.106) 04.50.06 # anyone use cuesheets? FS#11351 could use some testing 04.50.58 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.50.58 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.51.08 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.51.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.51.19 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.51.20 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.51.25 # JdGordon: That smaller piece parses fine on its own, I'm going to take a look at the bigger line you posted 04.51.46 # yes, looks like it gets ocnfused by the multiple nesting 04.53.33 # Hmm, this is odd 04.54.05 # Apparently when it's calling skin_parse from the GUI app, my debugger won't trigger breakpoints in it 04.58.26 # So I noticed colors for the new skin overhal is it's own tag now 04.58.30 # Does that mean font will be as well? 04.58.38 Join puetzk [0] (~private@173-31-158-106.client.mchsi.com) 04.58.42 # (allowing different fonts on 1 line?) 04.58.56 # IIUC font is still in the viewport declaration line 05.00.12 # a different font per line will still require multiple viewports 05.00.18 # no, font will never be seoperated from the viewport definition 05.01.02 # bieber: check the makefile.. i tihnk qt disabled debugging 05.01.07 Quit puetzk (Client Quit) 05.02.07 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.02.21 # well, I suppose now is a good time to learn the new format 05.02.54 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 05.03.03 # this might be easier for me, it's very C++-y 05.03.09 # more like actual codes 05.03.15 # it is? 05.03.22 # yeah, it is? 05.03.32 # it's much more readable, but I wouldnt say c++y 05.03.32 Quit Barahir_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 05.04.32 # we should make it java-y... System.viewport.define(system.labels.none, 0,0, system.display.width...) 05.04.41 # I'm having a hard time thinking of a language I know it *does* resemble tbh...it's basically, well no it *is*, a completely new language. 05.04.58 # INTERCAL 05.05.13 # the language desined to be nothing like any other language 05.05.13 # hmm, well, not quite C++ 05.05.29 # * S_a_i_n_t points to "language I *know*" :P 05.05.30 # it does look more like DECORATE and ACS functions behave 05.05.35 # (modding languages for the game Doom) 05.05.46 # Function(Stuff,more stuff, etc) 05.06.25 # that is very natural coming from c... but the rest is nothing like any programming language I know 05.06.33 # maybe perl :p 05.06.53 # Nah, not perl, you can *read* this language. 05.06.57 # ;) 05.07.11 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.08.27 # It doesn't need to have semicolons on everything either 05.08.51 # or quotes around every string 05.13.17 # Wait a minute 05.13.38 # JdGordon: That code that's erroring out on you has mismatched <>s 05.13.54 # it does? 05.14.01 # %?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> -> 05.14.08 # It has three <'s and four >'s 05.14.09 # -> isnt part of it 05.14.15 # Oh, okay 05.14.17 # I should have put more spaces 05.21.53 # dang, that's quite the nightmare 05.23.21 # Well, at least I think I found the cause of the bug: somewhere along the line the number of children in a conditional is getting miscounted 05.23.21 # Now I just need to figure out why 05.24.05 # yeah, I have noticed that a lot of the error outputs are horribly misleading sometimes 05.24.27 # Like when I accidentally have a viewport go offscreen, it says things about Invalid character /n and what not 05.25.23 Quit Jennifur (Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!) 05.28.00 # bieber: I was thinking with the UI editer, would it be too hard/ambitious (keeping in mind I haven't played with it yet) for the viewports to be "drawn" on a screen mockup, and have it just grab the x,y positions? (think of drawing a box with MSpaint) 05.28.27 Quit simonrvn (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05.28.56 # S_a_i_n_t: I'll be aiming for something just like that when I get to graphical editing 05.28.57 # Oh, and the viewport dimensions of course 05.29.15 # bieber: Awesome...great minds huh? :D 05.29.15 # A UI editor doesn't seem too far-fetched 05.29.16 # JdGordon: This is really odd. I fixed the bug, but all of a sudden it's hanging pretty bad on the nested conditionals 05.30.04 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@212.209-ppp.3menatwork.com) 05.31.37 # Oh, woops, that's because I was forgetting to increment one index, and the loop was just exiting when another one finally overflowed to a negative value :/ 05.34.44 # S_a_i_n_t: I'm actually really optimistic about what I'll be able to do with graphical editing, when the time comes. It looks like Qt's graphics library is going to mak ethings reaalllyy easy on me 05.34.51 Join Jennifur [0] (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) 05.35.42 # New commit by 03bieber (r26609): Theme Editor: Began working on open document functionality (still incomplete), fixed a nested conditional parsing bug in the parser, and fixed ... 05.35.52 # JdGordon: That should fix both your bugs :) 05.36.03 # :) 05.36.20 # It also absorbed all my coding time, though, so you'll have to wait another day for me to make the open button work :P 05.36.35 # :'( 05.38.15 # nope :) 05.38.22 # looks like you broke another line now 05.38.45 # http://pastebin.com/ZWkiYtnh is what I'm testing with 05.38.58 # line 17 now has the issue 05.38.58 # Was it working before? 05.39.09 # before line 26 had the error 05.40.39 # slightly unrelated question 05.41.35 # Is there a reason %cl is blank padded? 05.41.43 # This makes left-justified clocks look odd 05.41.58 # (and furthermore, why there is no non-padded version) 05.42.27 # And why it isn't reflected on the wiki 05.42.43 # wait...I could fix that 05.44.52 # what is %cl? 05.45.20 # New commit by 03bieber (r26610): Theme Editor: Fixed another conditional child-counting bug 05.45.32 # JdGordon: I think it's fixed now, I'll give it a try with that file you posted 05.45.38 # RTC Hour, the non 0-padded one 05.46.11 # No errors in the file, hopefully the tree is correct 05.46.23 # it isnt padded... 05.46.28 # thanks bieber 05.46.51 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.46.52 # You sure? 05.47.02 # Whenever I use it, there's a space in front of hours with single digits 05.47.47 # I could whip up a quick .wps to show you 05.48.45 # oh maybe it is 05.48.59 # I think it is so the tag always uses the same lcd space 05.49.03 # I can understand the need for one 05.49.16 # I'm just wondering if there's a reason there's none with no padding 05.50.26 # it should do no padding by dfault and allow %cl(02) so say pad to 2 digits with 0's or %cl(2) for pad to 2 digits 05.50.49 # oh, in the new format I see 05.51.01 # that probably wont happen though 05.51.07 # I see 05.51.16 # It's no big issue, I was just curious 05.51.52 # i think it was wanted that the clock tags all use a known length 05.51.58 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@my.fastsh.it) 06.00.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.11.13 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au) 06.11.13 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 06.11.13 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.18.13 Quit Tarvis (Quit: /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit) 06.19.18 Join blairb [0] (~blair@121-73-216-35.broadband.telstraclear.net) 06.25.08 Quit simonrvn (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06.39.42 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@72.0.212.209) 06.45.35 Quit Llorean (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.49.36 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 06.59.49 Quit anewuser (Quit: for SELL 2 by the price of 1 now!) 07.00.46 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f56c3.pool.mediaWays.net) 07.05.26 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 07.25.40 Join flatr0ze [0] (~flatrose@ppp91-77-220-177.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 07.28.42 Part flatr0ze 07.33.55 # hm, I'm trying out a custom wps file. I copied iAmp.wps to iAmp2.wps and edited it, but everytime I use it in Rockbox it's like it's still using the original iAmp.wps 07.36.15 # try it on a simulator first 07.36.30 # it might be throwing up errors (like iAmp.wps does on my clip+) and not get loaded 07.36.32 # literal: Are you loading the .wps directly, or the .cfg? 07.36.34 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07.37.31 Join teru [0] (~teru@M016207.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 07.37.41 # Llorean: I just copied the .wps file and then selected iAmp2 as the WPS in Rockbox 07.38.03 # how do I try it in a simulator? 07.38.07 # literal: Did you use "browse themes" or did you use "browse WPS files"? 07.38.27 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.39.03 # the latter 07.39.19 # it didn't show up under Browse Themes 07.39.28 # It won't unless it has its own .cfg. 07.39.53 # When you say it seems to just be the oriiginal, do you mean you've reset the theme to the default then loaded it and it shows up wrong? 07.40.07 # Generally loading a bad .wps should show the simple default, rather than anything else. 07.40.50 # I mean it always looks like the original unaltered iAmp. Even if I select cabbiev2, then select iAmp2 as the wps, I get the iAmp wps 07.43.26 Quit kaylinsigswort (Remote host closed the connection) 07.45.57 # but yeah, I'll try with a .cfg 07.48.51 # it didn't make a difference 07.49.24 # even if I select iAmp2 from Browse Themes and in the WPS menu, it still looks like iAmp 07.49.33 # makes no sense 07.57.09 # Are you sure the changes you made are something you'd notice? 07.58.14 # yes 07.59.13 # I'm running a simulator now, and just as a sanity check, I tried *deleting* iAmp.wps. Guess what? iAmp still works fine. 07.59.30 # So where is it getting it from? 07.59.32 # pics or it didnt happen.. 07.59.53 # are you sure its iamp and not maybe the internal hardcoded fall back wps? 07.59.59 # literal: What exactly did you change? 08.00.15 # JdGordon: yes, it is clearly iAmp 08.00.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.00.36 # pastebin your config.cfg file 08.06.21 # Llorean: let's ignore that problem and focus on this easier-to-reproduce one now: step 1) download simulator, 2) add mp3 file to simdisk, 3) run simulator and enable iAmp wps, 4) delete iAmp.wps, 3) run simulator and play file, 4) iAmp wps still works 08.06.58 # if I delete iAmp.wps first, then I can't enable it to begin with 08.07.09 # but as long as I have enabled it, I can delete it without problems 08.07.17 # so Rockbox must be caching it or something 08.07.22 # literal: Do you shut down and then re-run the simulator after deleting it? 08.07.26 # yes 08.07.54 # And why is that a real problem? 08.07.58 # also, fail @ those step numbers 08.08.19 # Llorean: why am I able to use a .wps file which has been deleted? 08.09.48 # literal: Are you sure it's actually iAmp? It looks like a WPS that could be mistaken with the simple default if the rest of the theme data were already set. 08.10.08 # Remember that the fallback WPS isn't the same as cabbiev2 08.10.17 # hm 08.11.11 # that could be it 08.11.19 # it looks the same if I select rockbox_default 08.11.23 # thats what I said... 08.11.27 # Indeed 08.11.40 # then there must be a bug in iAmp 08.11.50 # since I was never able to select it in the first place 08.12.17 # Well, are you using it with 3.6 or a current build? 08.12.28 # 3.6 08.12.39 # What revision number does it report? 08.13.07 # well, the simulator is r26566 and iAmp is broken there 08.13.53 # I think the release was several revisions before that. 08.14.18 # the one on my Clip+ is 3.6 and the sitation is the same there 08.14.51 # What revision number does it report? 08.15.25 # 26535, which is one revision before 3.6 if I recall 08.15.43 # But not actually 3.6 08.15.45 # checkwps says this about iAmp.wps: RR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token" 08.15.47 # Since it's not built from the release branch 08.16.15 # JdGordon: Did the WPS syntax breaking go in? If so, know what revision? 08.16.31 # * Llorean imagines it was sometime after the branch but before the release if it did, which would explain exactly this 08.16.44 # not yet 08.16.49 # Ah well 08.16.50 # Dunno then 08.22.07 # I'm not sure how to test 3.6 since the manual install page on rockbox.org doesn't have Clip+ builds of 3.6 and the Rockbox utility doesn't let me install the stable version 08.22.21 # Because there's not a 3.6 for your player. 08.22.21 # only archived or current 08.22.30 # It's listed as "unstable" 08.22.49 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 08.23.02 # If it passes testwps for 3.5, you'll need to figure out what change broke it since then 08.24.12 # pastebin the wps 08.24.27 # my guess is if you renamed the wps you forgot to rename the bmp folder also 08.24.46 # JdGordon: He said the normal iAmp doesn't pass a current testwps 08.24.47 # JdGordon: the issue here is simply that the iAmp.wps is broken 08.24.55 # ok then 08.25.34 # hm, no tags in the git repo, do you happen to know which svn revision corresponds to the release of 3.5 ? 08.26.07 # ah, found it in a commit message 08.26.25 # 24504 08.28.37 # the iAmp from that revision fails for the same reason 08.28.42 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r26611): Change cuesheet handling so the id3 info is not spoofed anymore. If something wants the subtracks info it is easy to get to. This makes next track ... 08.28.55 Quit wincent (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 08.28.57 # literal: Are you sure your local copy is good? Does the theme site say it passed 3.5? 08.29.27 # my copy is straight from the git repository 08.29.36 # Llorean: do you remember if the quickscreen options was ever in a menu? I cant remember if that was commited or not 08.29.40 # I know it isnt in a menu now 08.30.12 # the theme site says "Works with release 3.5" 08.30.18 # JdGordon: Which options? 08.30.31 # the options to choose which setting is where on the qs 08.30.32 # I can't check it with the checkwps from 3.5 because it doesn't compile 08.30.34 # literal: I meant your local copy if iAmp. Haven't accidentally changed it at any point? 08.30.49 # If the themesite says it works with 3.5, it does, and something's wrong on your end. 08.31.09 # Llorean: see what I just wrote, I didn't check it with the checkwps from 3.5 08.31.15 # JdGordon: I don't remember. Honestly, I'm in favor of dropping the QS (I've already said what I'd like it replaced with). 08.31.22 # literal: But the theme site did. 08.31.56 # seems it was :) that makes things easier 08.31.59 # Llorean: yeah, that just means that checkwps (and the rest of rockbox) has changed but iAmp.wps hasn't 08.32.08 # so iAmp.wps still needs to be updated 08.32.18 # literal: Yes, so figure out what's wrong or contact the author? 08.33.09 # do you (or someone here) know anything about WPS changes between 3.5 and 3.6? 08.33.37 # i.e. where I should look, to be able to update iAmp.wps 08.33.43 # there were none 08.33.43 # You could just bisect versions to figure out where it stops working. 08.34.22 # that's a bit hard since the "working" version (3.5) of checkwps fails to compile on my system... 08.34.43 # literal: So wouldn't the first step be to figure out why that's true, since it compiled at the time? 08.35.07 # yes, I suppose 08.35.28 # http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44488 08.36.42 Join ucchan [0] (~ucchan@softbank126102044024.bbtec.net) 08.37.13 # hmm 08.37.22 # re: RTC (unless that was resolved...didn't really see) there is both blank space, and 0 padded RTC tags for hour. 08.38.21 # revision 24691, titled "fix checkwps" does compile, though 08.39.31 # for some reason it just returns "WPS parsing failure" (even with -vvv) when I check iAmp though :/ 08.40.44 # parses cabbiev2 just fine though 08.42.26 # Llorean: however, notice that the theme site also says that iAmp "Works with current build" 08.42.33 # even though it doesn't 08.42.58 # literal: Have you tried downloading a build rather than compiling your own? 08.43.50 # how would that help with getting the latest iAmp*.wps to pass the checkwps test? 08.44.44 # Well, it obviously does pass it on the theme site server. 08.44.53 # Which, honestly, suggests something is different with your copy for whatever reasons. 08.47.59 # I'd be looking at what Jd said, as one of my first ports of call...I know you renamed the .wps file, but did you rename the folder which contains the wps' bitmaps also? 08.48.48 # S_a_i_n_t: those problems I had earlier can be attributed to the iAmp wps failing to parse 08.49.01 # now I'm just trying to figure out why that is 08.49.10 # Are the bitmap folders *present*? 08.49.14 # Or just the .wps file? 08.49.25 # You've run it through a SIM, the output should tell you where it's failing. 08.49.42 # it'll give a line number, which is accurate to +/-1 line 08.50.05 # yes, on the sim I got the same error that checkwps gave me: ERR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token" 08.50.26 # so, pastebin lines 16, 17, and 18 08.50.36 # *that*'s where the error is. 08.50.58 # it's telling you there is a tag there, that isn;t really a tag 08.51.03 # you have a checkout of the repo, right? it's just the unmodified iAmp 128x64 08.51.11 # Llorean: the theme server claims iAmp passes on r26556. On a clean checkout of r26565 I did "mkdir build && cd build && ../tools/configure && make && ./checkwps.sansaclipplus ../wps/iAmp.128x64x1.wps" 08.51.16 # you can't just pastebin it? 08.51.26 # I know mine is SVN...I don;t know yours is. 08.51.49 # http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490 08.52.05 # Llorean: and the result is the checkwps error I pasted earlier 08.52.35 # Llorean: is the theme server doing the test differently somehow? 08.52.45 # It shouldn't be. 08.52.50 # It's calling an image that isn't present. 08.53.02 # %xdE 08.53.06 # there's no "E" 08.53.31 # that actually happens a lot...more than one instance 08.53.32 # isn't it %xl|E|lock-small.bmp|79|0|3| 08.53.34 # ? 08.53.57 # Hmmm...you'll need to pastebin it again then sorry. 08.54.09 # mine is all warped. 08.54.10 # huh? 08.54.22 # http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490 <-- this is warped? 08.54.42 # huh, weird, it loaded incorrectly. My apologies 08.56.25 # What about xdx and xdy? 08.56.34 # It's late and I'm tired, so I may not see where they're loaded 08.56.47 # hehe..beat me to it. 08.56.54 # yeah, they're definitely not there 08.57.24 # S_a_i_n_t: I had to go to the CustomWPS page and double check that xdx and xdy weren't special cases too. :) 08.57.30 # * Llorean hasn't made an WPS in a long, long time. 08.57.39 # Not since shortly after backdrop images were introduced. 08.57.52 # Llorean: The skinbreak stuff has made me doubt myself, I did the same thing :P 08.57.55 # this is a very hairy file format 08.57.57 Quit phanboy4 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 08.58.06 # What?!? 08.58.10 # the format is fine. 08.58.11 # so many similarly-looking format codes 08.58.21 # literal: On thing that may be true - the version of iAmp on the theme site may be different than the one in SVN. 08.58.41 # Granted, the theme is horribly set out, but the syntx is perfectly readable 08.58.59 # The format itself has just kinda evolved over time, which is its main problem 08.59.04 # It's calling two instances of an image that possibly don;t exist 08.59.12 # (on line 17) 08.59.12 # The initial token based system was for line based display on rather basic displays. 08.59.19 # indeed, there's no mention of "xdx" in the iAmp version on the theme site 08.59.27 # Line 18 sorry 08.59.39 # comment out "%?mh<%?mr<%xdEa|%xdx>|%?mr<%xdy|>>" 08.59.40 # Does the one in SVN actually come with downloaded buils? 08.59.42 # builds 08.59.47 # and it should work) 09.00.05 # so, the author updated the one on the theme site but not the one in SVN? 09.00.56 # grrr... the agreed on QS changes arnt so simple :/ 09.00.57 # literal: It may not have been the author that uploaded it 09.01.17 # the guy that put them on the themesite fixed up sever themes, but has no SVN access 09.01.27 # the intention is to remove those themes from SVN 09.01.39 # *several 09.01.39 # JdGordon: What were the agreed changes? 09.02.15 # literal: Really the only theme that comes with SVN Rockbox eventually should be variants of the default (the standard one, and possibly a unifont one or similar if we ever decide to do that) 09.02.36 # But that's obviously not the case yet, I guess. 09.02.46 # Llorean: use any which are set to "blank" as exit keys, and make top and bottom default to blank 09.02.59 # I can live with that. 09.03.02 # so no more bloody dirfilter on the qs :) 09.03.02 # the only thing keeping that from happening is greyscale/monochrome themes I think. 09.03.21 # JdGordon: I'd rather get rid of the QS and replace it with a shortcut to the .cfg browser, but that's nearly as good. :) 09.03.35 # but one advantage seems to be that the iAmp in SVN has two .wps files for different screen sizes while the one on the theme site has only one .wps 09.04.06 # Llorean: yeah, I'm not such a fan of the cfg browser because it limits the values you can set... but it does have its advantages 09.04.36 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.04.43 # * JdGordon is pretty happy that the NoDo on customisable menus has been removed which means we have more options 09.04.47 # JdGordon: Well yeah, you can't browse through all possible values of any setting, but I think for a *lot* of purposes it'll be more useful. 09.04.49 # But that's just me. 09.04.50 # Llorean: which themes are scheduled to be removed from SVN? everything except rockbox_default and cabbiev2? 09.04.56 # literal: the move from from SVN to themesite wasn't completed. 09.04.59 # literal: Nothing's schedules 09.05.05 # eventaully, they'll all be there 09.05.22 # * Llorean thinks customizable menus better not increase boot time even further 09.05.32 # * Llorean is still pretty tired of how long it takes to get from "power off" to "music playing" these days 09.05.57 # Llorean: Not a flash target I assume? 09.06.07 # * JdGordon still holds that people complaiing are in it for placebo and it has not actually increased... 09.06.12 # also, get a faster booting target 09.06.13 # me = = 1~2 seconds 09.06.20 # clip+ off to music in <1s 09.06.42 # JdGordon: We measured, so that's pretty much out. 09.06.48 # I added the extra second for me messing up a button push perhaps ;) 09.06.51 # It's not placebo. 09.07.06 # S_a_i_n_t: so, if I were to make a new theme for a few different screen sizes, I'd create .wps files for the screen sizes in question and build .zip files for all relevant devices and upload to the theme site? 09.07.23 # S_a_i_n_t: As soon as they get a flash target with all the features of the Gigabeast including maximum available storage size, I'll consider it. 09.08.33 # literal: Well, yes. But you'd also want to include simulator, and on device testing in that mix also. 09.08.40 # yeah 09.08.59 # Llorean: if you are serious about wanting faster boot then I can easily suggest some things to try... but it does mean getting into the code 09.09.01 # testing on the sim is good for development, but you'd want it tested on at least one device to see if the sim represents things accurately 09.09.12 # or buying me a slow booting target :/ 09.09.15 # different question: since it turned out to be the default theme I wanted to modify and not iAmp, how can I base a theme on the default one when rockbox_default.wps is an empty dummy file? 09.09.18 # s/://:p/ 09.09.41 # JdGordon: Actually, "time to music" improved drastically after that change a while back to fix the disk delaying things 09.09.43 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.09.49 # It's not quite as good as it was, but it's good enough 09.09.52 # My worry is about it getting bad again 09.09.53 # literal: Screenshot it, and work from there? 09.10.19 # The main problem the change brought is that during initial buffer on my Beast you can't skip or adjust volume (unless that's been fixed now, but I haven' seen mention of it) without severe delays 09.10.20 # S_a_i_n_t: so I'd have to recreate the default theme from scratch? there's no way to dump the default theme to a .wps or something? 09.10.32 # I don't think so, no. 09.10.38 # damn 09.10.39 # if starting playback was decoupled from the wps, then you should be able to get to music in the menu without loading the wps 09.10.49 # literal: The default theme *used* to be in the manual 09.10.51 # It's dead simple. 09.10.54 # it's a text only/hardcoded element theme...it couldn;t be easier to do. 09.11.08 # If not it may be on the customWPS wiki page 09.11.14 # It's been in a bunch of places over the years 09.11.18 # ok 09.11.29 # it doesn't use a single viewport or image, it'd be pretty damn easy. 09.11.42 # well, it uses images, bu those are the statusbar 09.11.46 # *but 09.11.53 # Yup, it's just a few lines with tags on each, and a couple conditionals to show file paths when ID3 tags aren't present 09.12.19 # literal: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P 09.12.29 # thanks 09.13.22 # * JdGordon wonders if anyone at DevCon is looking for something to hack up today.... decoupling musc playback from the wps.... 09.13.32 # Decoupling? 09.13.49 # literal: (not a bitch, just a hint for future code pasting) use a pastebin with line numbers. 09.13.50 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.14.00 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@213.49.144.150) 09.14.02 # actually it isnt even that bad... the changes is just in root_menu.c to be able to start music without entering the wps 09.14.02 # counting 17 lines wasn't *so* bad, but still sucks :P 09.14.03 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 09.14.03 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.14.25 # JdGordon: Can't you already do that? 09.14.37 # If I "insert shuffled" I thought it used to stay in the file tree while the music started. 09.14.39 # literal: http://pastebin.com for example. 09.14.52 # yes, you can.. 09.15.04 # So what's the goal then? 09.15.06 # I'm saying we could start playback earlier in the boot cycle 09.15.10 # Aaaah 09.16.14 # hmm... 09.16.14 # S_a_i_n_t: the one I used earlier actually has line numbers, you could have enabled it below the text area :) 09.16.14 # Optimize boot order for getting playback going ASAP. 09.16.14 # Llorean: care to do a boot chart build with svn? 09.16.22 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.16.35 # JdGordon: I have no USB cables with me, and am at a Denny's. So, not right now. :) 09.16.41 # I have an idea how to do this.. but I wonder if it would even make a difference 09.16.42 # If I "insert shuffled) it takes me straight to wps, is it not supposed to/never used to do that? 09.16.50 # quite a lot of stuff does need to happen before playback starts 09.16.54 # -) +" 09.16.55 # because otherwise buffer_alloc eats your face 09.16.59 # S_a_i_n_t: There was a time when it didn't, I think. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. 09.17.14 # Torne: sure, but we can deal with that 09.17.26 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 09.17.45 # bassically I'm thinking that playback could start before the skins are loaded (which have its buffers allowec before then anyway) 09.17.59 Join Domonoky [0] (~domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 09.18.25 # but yes, doing that could be dangerous and if it gives no benefit then there is no point doing it 09.19.29 # Actually, I think I only really have problems if the first thing I do on boot is load a bookmark. 09.19.35 # If I just hit 'play' to resume it's faster. 09.19.41 # * Llorean needs to try a more current build 09.21.46 Join bertrik_ [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.21.53 # JdGordon: I only just got started :) 09.22.01 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C57D.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.22.14 # go go go! 09.24.20 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 09.25.33 Quit Llorean (Quit: Leaving.) 09.26.01 # what's the play/pause key in the simulator for the Clip+ ? 09.26.07 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 09.26.21 # it's not listed here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator 09.26.40 # and none of the other ones work 09.27.03 # all the sim keymaps differ, try mashing buttons on the keyboard :P 09.27.20 # you'll find it eventually 09.27.44 # you should also be able to just click on the player. 09.27.55 # tried that, doesn't work 09.28.00 # use it like a real (well 2d) DAP 09.28.11 # huh..sorry, works on the Nano sims 09.28.23 # literal: you could look in firmware/target/hosted/sdl/button-sdl.c 09.29.25 # it seems to suggest that 8 on the keypad is what I'm looking for 09.29.33 # too bad my laptop doesn't have a keypad... 09.30.16 # AlexP: you have a beast or video right? can you (or someone else there) do a bootchart build please? 09.30.37 # it *should* have an alt/shift set for the numeric keypad 09.30.43 # literal: ^ 09.31.02 # my old laptop had that, but my current one has no markings for that, so I have no idea how to do it 09.31.02 # (*should*) laptop by the way, not the sim 09.31.08 # * JdGordon is willing to bet moveing the cpuboost(false) line to the end of init() would do more than starting playback slightly earlier 09.31.13 # literal: you do see that SDL_KP8 and SDL_UP do the same thing, no? 09.31.37 # n1s: ah, Up does indeed play/pause 09.31.43 # I should have figured that out earlier... 09.31.50 # ...yep 09.32.03 # that's why I said "mash buttons" :P 09.32.20 # I had mashed pretty much all of them except the arrow keys :P 09.32.29 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 09.39.34 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 09.43.58 # * S_a_i_n_t wonders how hard it would be to get the plugin "lamp.rock" to *not* respect the idle shutdown limit. I personally consider it annoying as hell, as my idle shutdown is set to 1 min, and when I use lamp I have to continually make sure the idle shutdown doesn't kick in. 09.44.18 # perhaps give it it's own idle shutdown setting so it doesn't kill the batter if left on? 09.44.26 # 10 min or so? 09.44.41 # +y 09.47.46 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCA3B7.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.48.28 # cabbiev2 hardcodes "Next:", is it possible to use a translated string instead? 09.49.56 # cabbie should be using the translated string 09.50.11 # S_a_i_n_t: pretty easy 09.51.36 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09.51.46 # JdGordon: Do you think it would be worthwhile/something that would be considered? 09.52.01 # I actually use lamp quite a lot, but I don't know if others do. 09.52.13 Join yorick [0] (~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick) 09.52.18 # if i dont have to do any work.. sure 09.53.06 # hello, I have an ipod video 5G, and headphones with a sensitivity of 103 dB/mW, how much dB would that give me on the volume setting -60 dB? 09.53.09 # * JdGordon doesnt know how to read the bootchat output 09.55.43 # * S_a_i_n_t kicks himself for not paying much attention (well, I thought I did) when Torne explained it to him :/ 09.58.26 # JdGordon: well, cabbiev2.wps has "Next:" following a %Sx, but there's no mention of %Sx in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS 09.58.32 # is it for translating strings? 09.58.37 # yes 09.58.41 # hmm.. ok it should be there 09.58.42 # ok, cool 09.58.44 # wanna add it? 09.58.49 # sure 09.59.30 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.00.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.01.21 # Access check on Main.CustomWPS failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web. 10.01.47 # * Llorean isn't sure, but thinks that when in the bookmarks screen idle shutdown doesn't happen. 10.01.53 # * Llorean will need to check this 10.05.51 # good morning 10.06.01 # JdGordon: Yes, beast 10.06.08 # JdGordon: Is this an advanced option? 10.06.12 # yes 10.06.28 # OK, give me a couple of minutes 10.09.03 # yep, unless my patch doesnt work starting playback before loading skins adds NO noticable difference 10.10.22 # bootchart agrees with me 10.11.34 # hehe ok, my patch didnt wwork :p 10.12.10 # JdGordon: OK, so should I now have a file somewhere? 10.12.29 # you need to go into the debvug menu and dumb debug file 10.12.35 # ah, OK 10.12.36 # then you'll have .rockbox/logf.txt 10.12.54 Join bertrik__ [0] (~bertrik@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 10.14.58 # JdGordon: http://pastie.org/993631 10.15.31 # thanks, once I get this patch working ill ask for another if thats ok 10.15.45 # No problem 10.16.21 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10.16.47 Nick bertrik__ is now known as bertrik (~bertrik@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 10.17.29 Quit bertrik (Client Quit) 10.17.37 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.20.27 # bah, patch starts playback while the splash is up but then crashes 10.20.46 # how can i get a timestamp or so to measure a intervall? 10.22.01 # Stummi: current_tick is the time since boot in centiseconds 10.22.04 # Stummi: you can use currenttick 10.22.25 # well, technically in 1/HZ of a second 10.23.24 # ok, thanks 10.24.25 # Zagor: can you copy http://jones.videolan.org/~videolan/funman/mkamsboot-1.3/ into http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa and link mkamsboot-1.3 -> mkamsboot? 10.24.29 # Torne: do you know about the state of charging for the targets mentioned here? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8802#comment28390 AFAICS USB charging still doesn't work on my mini, so I guess there is still something missing. 10.27.39 # funman: done 10.28.39 # thx 10.29.35 # bluebrother: No additional targets have had charging implemented yet 10.29.43 # bluebrother: so only h300/beast/nano2g have it still 10.29.57 # I'm working on charging for the other USB powered ipods right now 10.30.29 # the changes i made yesterday was just a rework of t/he existing code 10.30.36 # not a fix for 8802 10.36.00 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.36.00 Join pamaury_ [0] (~pamaury@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 10.36.17 Join funman_ [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 10.36.28 Nick pamaury_ is now known as pamaury (~pamaury@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 10.36.39 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 10.36.39 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.37.53 Join Domonoky1 [0] (~domonoky@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 10.38.29 # * n1s tries the new shiny rockboxdev.sh 10.38.35 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10.38.51 # there is a new rockbox.dev? 10.39.14 Quit funman (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.39.34 # If you mean rockboxdev.sh then, yes. 10.39.44 Quit Domonoky (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10.39.49 # s/new/reworked a little/ 10.40.42 # it's also shiny! 10.41.00 # it is? 10.41.05 # * S_a_i_n_t examines for shine. 10.41.11 # Ah, so it is. ;) 10.41.59 # It seems like it's been cut down by about a third or so? 10.42.14 # unless I'm mistaken I seem to remember it being a /lot/ longer 10.42.15 # maybe it works on darwin now? ;) 10.42.58 # S_a_i_n_t: that was one of the point IIUC, "Here's a reorganized version of rockboxdev.sh. It's 25% smaller" 10.43.04 # New commit by 03pixelma (r26612): Virtual keyboard: enable line edit mode as an alternative on all target. There were only a very few that didn't offer it yet. The KBD_MODES define ... 10.43.43 # n1s; Huh, I must have missed that...seems I wasn't too far off with the size though ;) 10.43.46 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.43.54 # I'll claim now that it wasn't a guess :P 10.44.29 # New commit by 03uchida (r26613): text viewer: can be selected the number of screens per page. 10.45.31 # how do I include a translated string inside a conditional? the %?ik<%Sx|foo||> doesn't work 10.46.00 # literal: It should. 10.46.11 # New commit by 03torne (r26614): Add the GPIO output-enable bits to the debug screen on PP502x 10.46.37 # ah, I think the problem was that the string I tried to translate didn't exist 10.47.06 # ah, yes. you'll need to check the lang file each time if you're not certain the string exists. 10.47.56 # I'm trying to make it say e.g. "Disc 1" if it's a multi-disc album, but it doesn't look like "Disc" is a translated string 10.48.53 # can that be added? 10.49.12 # in general, it's not that great a practice to translate everything you can just because you can...some strings for instance are a lot longer in char length that their english counterpart 10.49.33 # and the viewprt could end up scrolling and looking crap 10.49.35 # yeah, but I doubt this one is any worse than "Next:" 10.49.43 # ah, with the new rockboxdev.sh i get an other errormessage on darwin: ld: in librbspeex.a, archive has no table of contents 10.49.50 # or worse, if you don't use viewports, you could get overlapping. 10.50.52 # Stummi: I sincerely doubt there are and devs working with Darwin...it doesn;t surprise me at all. 10.50.58 # It's a pretty obscure OS 10.51.12 Nick funman_ is now known as funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 10.51.21 Quit FlynDice (Remote host closed the connection) 10.51.25 # hm 10.51.55 # i doubt rockboxdev.sh (to build cross compilers) is related to librbspeex 10.52.06 # S_a_i_n_t: it also doesn't worked for bluebrother yesterday, so it seems not be a specific problem for my system 10.52.30 # Torne: ok, thanks for the clarification. 10.52.49 # Stummi: I didn;t think it was specific to your system. 10.52.57 # But specific to the OS 10.53.05 # it's a problem with OS X 10.6. 10.53.58 # bluebrother: but with the new version of rockboxdev.sh, there is another errormessage now ;) 10.54.25 # Stummi: haven't tried that, but I doubt it should have anything to do with librbspeex. 10.55.24 # any comments on FS#5737? I'd like to get that committed, and it works (still ;) fine for me. Any reasons against that format for saving the scratchpad values? 10.56.06 # hmm, something weird happened 10.56.45 # it's now trying to build with the wrong "as" 10.58.29 # bluebrother: The GF would love-you-long-time for committing that ;) 10.58.42 # I just added it to my build, didn;t even know it existed. 10.59.16 # wow, it's been 4 years since I did that :o 10.59.56 # yes, well although I often look at the patches, I scan them for thing *I* want/like/need. :D 11.00.06 # * S_a_i_n_t is not a sudoku fan. 11.00.18 # bluebrother, I don't see any problem with that (I don't run that plugin often though) 11.00.21 # the only concern I have is about the file format. It's making extensions to the ss file format. OTOH, the state saving code does too (and always did), so I think that's not a problem. 11.00.23 Quit teru (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11.00.39 # * bluebrother will wait for another while and if nobody objects commit later 11.00.57 # * funman will wait a while after the commit, and then object 11.01.07 # * gevaerts thinks that waiting four years for objections should be enough 11.01.23 # indeed 11.01.44 # Zagor: i tried the new rockboxde.sh but now all my builds fail since they try to use the wrong "as" (probably the host one) it prints "as: unrecognized option " with depending on the target 11.02.29 # hehe :) 11.03.55 # is the ss file format some kind of "official" standard format? 11.04.14 # i also get an empty a.out file in my build dir 11.04.57 # only for the h300 build it seems 11.04.59 # can the updated plugin still read an older ss file (without scratchpad info)? 11.05.13 Join leftright [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 11.05.13 # bertrik: afaik it's some somewhat-official format 11.05.20 # yes, reading the old file works fine. 11.06.24 # it's great to see you'll hard at work on a sunday, keep it up, clock out is at midnight tonight, no slouching please :-) 11.07.40 # the only drawback I see is that other programs might not be able to load the file after saving it. Though AFAIU this is already the case because the fill-in state is saved. 11.07.40 # for various people...it's still saturday 11.07.50 # it's definitely sunday :) 11.11.22 # bluebrother: did you get anywhere with the theme site? 11.11.54 # New commit by 03kugel (r26615): Move target-simulating specific keymaps out of button-sdl.c into a file per ... 11.12.00 Quit leftright (Quit: CGI:IRC) 11.13.13 # JdGordon: I have a setup running at my box that simply modifies rbutilqt.php to check the release / revision transmitted by Rockbox Utilty and redirects it to a different script depending on that values. 11.14.20 # so as a first shot we could have a complete copy of the theme site in a different folder (maybe /old? or /v1?) and knowing the revision that changed the syntax replace rbutilqt.php to redirect. 11.14.26 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 11.14.33 # I still have to do some testing with Rockbox Utility though 11.14.52 # ok. scorche can you copy the themesite please? 11.15.15 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 11.20.07 # n1s: I uploaded a patch with a bunch of more strings for islenska.lang, in case you didn't notice 11.21.04 # yes i saw but i broke my crosstoolchains now so i would like to fix that so i can testbuild :) 11.21.20 # your name in the credits caused problems for the manual ;) fixed now though 11.21.31 # nice 11.22.41 # n1s: my fault? 11.23.57 # Zagor: maybe, my builds now use the wrong "as" after i tried the new rockboxdev.sh 11.24.37 # seems like it's trying to use the system one which errors out with "unrecognized option" 11.24.48 # that's not good 11.25.02 Join hamish_ [0] (~hamish@119.224.50.74) 11.25.13 # good afterpoon. 11.25.35 # morning. 11.26.05 # I'm curious, the USB driver on the sansa fuze, is it currently being developed? 11.26.09 Join liar [0] (~liar@212-183-103-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 11.26.32 # n1s: which target are you building? 11.26.54 # i tried h300, gigabeast with arm-elf and arm-elf-eabi and archos player 11.27.08 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.27.09 # and they all complained about as? 11.27.15 # all get unrecognized option from as 11.27.56 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 11.27.57 # strange, they work fine for me 11.28.39 # hmm, i did have the old toolchains still present when building the new ones, could that have confused it? 11.28.57 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@85.234.217.4.static.edpnet.net) 11.29.00 Quit p3tur (Changing host) 11.29.00 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.29.39 # n1s: possibly. the new toolchains are installed slightly differently. if you reinstall one you already have you should probably remove the old first. 11.29.59 # i'll try that 11.34.00 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.40.06 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 11.40.06 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 11.40.06 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.45.46 # is it possible to say the simulator not to start the main-part of RB but a special app or start in a special submenu (e.g. Plugins) 11.45.48 # ? 11.46.01 # yes, grep for AUTOROCK in apps/main.c 11.46.15 # ok 11.48.00 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p4FE8F65A.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.49.49 Join liar [0] (~liar@212-183-103-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 11.51.06 # do themes have to be approved after they're uploaded to themes.rockbox.org? 11.51.18 # no 11.51.20 # nope 11.51.27 # they just have to pass checkwps and the setting script 11.51.38 # Hm, I just got the upload page again after uploading mine. No error. 11.51.50 # ah, there is an error, never mind 11.51.53 # * literal fixes 11.51.55 # well and people are allowed to report any possible license violation 11.51.56 # they'll appear on the site after you acknowledge the confirmation mail 11.53.20 # the form complains that my WPS screenshot is 128x66 instead of 128x64 11.53.30 # odd since I got it straight from rockbox 11.53.48 # "define "straight from rockbox" 11.53.55 # did you do a screendump? 11.53.57 # yes 11.54.06 # Hmmm, weird. 11.54.16 # clip screendumps are 2 pixels higher i think to show the space between blue & yellow parts of the screen 11.54.25 # crop it to the correct size. 11.54.48 # actually 128x66 is correct 11.55.02 # scaling it down would just make it look horrible 11.55.19 # ah, so checkwps is technically broken? 11.55.30 # not checkwps, but the upload form 11.55.33 # does someone remember whether the Philipps SA9200 manual ever build? Just asking because there is a platform file existent but compiling doesn't work and tex is asking for a platform file with a different name. I'm curious if something got broken in the target rename or if it just wasn't finished yet 11.55.52 # or built 11.55.54 # should be changed to allow 128x66 for Clip++ 11.55.58 # literal: Where do you think that form gets its info from? 11.56.33 # you're saying checkwps does something more than check the syntax of WPS files? 11.56.54 # it'll also mention of backdrops are incorrect size etc. 11.57.01 # s/of/if/ 11.57.34 Quit togetic (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.57.48 # it will check if a file is needed, but not included..its quite a savvy piece of code. 11.58.09 # I can't crop the image without taking something out of the statusbar or bottom line, so I'd have to remove a 2px thick line from somewhere in the middle 11.58.25 # to go from 128x66 to 128x64 11.58.47 # but I'm not sure I know how to do that 11.58.54 # just crop the "black line" 11.59.12 # _jhMikeS_: ping 11.59.20 # the 2px between black/yellow 11.59.31 # *argh..s/black/blue 11.59.42 # n1s: any result? 12.00.02 # man, I suck at Gimp 12.00.17 # which OS? 12.00.22 # Linux 12.00.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.00.44 # Domonoky1: scorche: ping? 12.00.51 # Zagor: yep, works now 12.00.55 # ah, crop cutout is fairly simple. 12.00.56 # good 12.00.59 # (can someone there get one of them to come online?) 12.01.20 # yeah, I just figured it out 12.01.30 # \o/ 12.03.02 # New commit by 03nls (r26616): The ifp isn't coldfire based, add some targets that are instead 12.04.02 Join togetic [0] (~togetic@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net) 12.04.04 Quit togetic (Changing host) 12.04.04 Join togetic [0] (~togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy) 12.04.24 # success, http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=814&target=sansaclipplus 12.05.05 # heh, looks like I left a 2px white spot in there 12.05.08 # oh well 12.05.49 # JdGordon: we are busy building the tower :-) 12.06.03 # no your not! 12.06.15 # we!?! only looks like 2 of you doing the building :P 12.06.27 # well seen as you're here now... can you copy the themesite so we can get this mooving? 12.07.03 # JdGordon: sorry, i dont know how todo that.. we have to ask scorche. 12.07.11 # _jhMikeS_: check http://pastie.org/993679 12.07.25 # New commit by 03pixelma (r26617): Consolidate the two button tables in the virtual keyboard section into one. The difference causing having two doesn't exist anymore (targets without ... 12.07.38 # If I want to point the updater at the whole .zip, do I use the "updatetheme.pl" or my recently compiled "skinupdater"? 12.07.46 # Domonoky1: can you pull him away from the tower long enough to get that going? 12.08.53 # JdGordon: unlikely .. you have to wait for after the tower building :-) 12.09.04 # hehee yeah, I thought he was just watching... 12.09.31 # we need his mental support :-) 12.09.51 # * JdGordon refrains from makeing a joke 12.11.08 # New commit by 03pixelma (r26618): Close the ActionKbdSelect macro so that the following space won't get eaten in the output. 12.13.54 # what do we do about FS#8923? assuming it is still an issue do we bother keeping it open (known issue) 12.14.26 Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12.21.16 # JdGordon: Well they are legitimate bugs, even if known and not trivial to fix, so it should be left open I think 12.25.50 Join merbanan [0] (~banan@c-94-255-214-233.cust.bredband2.com) 12.26.38 # * bertrik is making a bit of progress on the mystery radio chip in the sansa clip plus 12.27.14 # radio works fine in my clip+? 12.27.16 # New commit by 03kugel (r26619): Fix most reds, I have no idea what's wrong with the gigabeats (yet). 12.27.58 Join flydutch [0] (~flydutch@host23-166-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.32.10 # did funman get the e200 going on eabi? 12.35.41 # JdGordon: there are two different radios chips in clip+ it seems 12.35.54 # oh, bugger them :) 12.37.49 # One is working and bertrick told me he found some parallel code in the of for two models so perhaps he will manage to make it work 12.40.30 # JdGordon: no but i found why it didn't boot, the linker is doing nasty things 12.40.33 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@80.67.9.2) 12.40.57 # JdGordon: eabi worked already btw, i was looking at running thumb code 12.41.07 # ah ok 12.46.04 Quit p3tur (Quit: mobile webcam over and out) 12.48.11 # scorche: cooeey 12.49.33 # * scorche|sh looks strangely at JdGordon 12.49.52 # can you copy the whole themesite to /oldsite or soemthing? 12.50.16 # sure 12.51.27 Join notlistening [0] (~tom@94-195-105-95.zone9.bethere.co.uk) 12.51.36 # and we need a script or two run on the real site... 12.51.45 # but maybe do a trial run somewhere first 12.52.21 # New commit by 03uchida (r26620): text viewer: can display the horizontal scroll bar. 12.55.15 Join TopyMobile [0] (~topy@xdsl-78-34-66-118.netcologne.de) 12.55.17 # New commit by 03kugel (r26621): Fix remaining reds. 12.57.10 # kugel: iAudioM3/M5 sim are red. 12.57.51 # sorry, I don't refresh the browser. 12.59.31 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r26622): Save the scratchpad state in Sudoku plugin (FS#5737). 13.01.42 # ucchan: no problem :) 13.01.46 Quit merbanan (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.05.38 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 13.05.50 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 13.06.21 # scorche: has anyone got access to run scripts ont he theme site? 13.06.28 # I really wanted to get this done todaty 13.07.03 # btw, has anyone ever noticed that the forums start page has the login twice at the bottom? 13.07.36 # on a related note, did anyone notice that the sidebar is styled differntly (differnt font, mainly) in the forums? 13.07.37 # there's the login section in the "Info Center", and there are login fields below that outside of the Info Center 13.08.19 # kugel: any chance you can look at (fix/close) 10030? it seems to be the only nat sorting bug still open 13.08.26 # not that it's much of importance though :) 13.08.44 # * kugel wants JdGordon to put at least fs before the numbers so my script kicks in 13.08.57 # Zagor: did you ln -sf mkamsboot-1.3 mkamsboot in /bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ ? 13.09.06 # ah no, I forgot that 13.09.22 Join lazybum [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 13.09.39 # fixed now 13.10.19 # JdGordon: well, the question is it a bug actually. should 002 sort before 01 or not? 13.10.33 # I dont know :) 13.10.48 # IMO, yes. 13.10.56 # I'm sure you lot could come to a consensus pretty quickly though :) 13.10.58 # but, do I want a flamewar? 13.11.01 # no. :) 13.11.07 # but bryan's comment from march 19 still applies I think (which would be a real bug) 13.11.30 # well, I still haven't seen a specification how this natural sorting should work. If we had such a description the question would be trivial to answer 13.11.46 # Hi anybody knows what to do with a transfer error -19 when trying to update the database? Clip+ user here 13.12.02 Quit blairb (Quit: Leaving) 13.12.41 # lazybum: which rockbox version? 13.15.40 # amiconn: Devcon10/testbuilds/ondiofm.zip 13.17.23 Quit lazybum (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 13.18.09 Quit hamish_ (Remote host closed the connection) 13.18.35 Quit ucchan (Quit: Leaving...) 13.19.46 Join lazybum [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 13.19.59 # im using the latest version 13.20.29 # lazybum: check filesystem 13.20.31 # I suddenly got the problem after transferring some files to my clip 13.20.51 # so i tried to reinstall but the problem persists 13.21.12 # run chkdsk or fsck 13.23.04 Quit TopyMobile (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.23.39 # sorry this irc is lagging like mad for some reason 13.24.12 Join wincent [0] (~Miranda@g226232181.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.24.50 # sorry but how do i do that? 13.27.00 # http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265 13.29.00 # Zagor: you dont remember how to fix the dates problem on flyspray? 13.29.18 # no, sorry 13.29.34 # looks like i need to create another account then :( 13.29.44 # wait a bit, I'll look around 13.30.18 Quit lazybum (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 13.30.19 # it happened when I changed my timezone... 13.30.22 # JdGordon: have you checked your time stamp settings? 13.30.32 # yes, it is correct 13.30.43 # kugel: time *stamp* ? 13.30.49 # ok, wouldn't have been the first time it gets screwed up for nor reason 13.31.19 Join dfdf [0] (~dfdf@bb119-74-164-27.singnet.com.sg) 13.31.28 # JdGordon: kugel is right. your "detailed date format" field says "jdgordon" 13.31.54 Join lazybum [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 13.32.02 # oh wtf? 13.32.11 # I certainly didnt put that there on purpose :p 13.32.11 # nice bug, there... 13.32.12 # thanks 13.32.25 # ok its solved thanks funman! 13.33.18 # * JdGordon gently pokes scorche|sh 13.33.31 Quit dfdf (Client Quit) 13.34.02 # I should upgrade flyspray some day... 13.35.02 # anyone use pacbox? 13.36.39 # Zagor: iirc it was actually caused by an upgrade in the first place 13.37.19 # rasher: that sounds unlikely. I haven't touched flyspray in years. 13.37.23 # Or at least a lot of people got their "detailed date format" set to their user name on an upgrade 13.37.40 # Yeah, I guess this instance wasn't 13.37.56 Quit lazybum (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 13.39.06 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 13.39.40 # how do we feel about using the rating tag in mp3/others if the database isnt used? 13.39.44 # or even if it is used? 13.39.53 # FS#7670 13.40.33 # looks like that patch lets you choose which to use for the rating source 13.41.48 # the patch is way out of sync so if its something we might want I'll look into syncing it.. otherwsie close 13.44.02 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 13.47.11 # and .NSF users? 13.47.32 # *tap tap*.. is this thing on? :p 13.50.27 # Does anyone have the ability to measure current drawn over USB, and an ipod mini 1g or ipod 4g mono? 13.50.35 # we don't have those models at devcon :( 13.55.42 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 13.55.48 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.234) 13.55.52 # * Domonoky1 has a ipod 4g grey here... 13.58.13 # * bluebrother only has a mini2g around and guesses that isn't needed 13.59.10 # Domonoky1: can you get scorche's attention? I really want to get the skin changes in... 14.00.03 # * scorche|sh perks up 14.00.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.00.40 # theme site copy? hows it going? 14.01.10 # and whos game to run the update script on it? 14.01.38 # copy is done 14.02.29 # the clip plus mystery radio chip definitely looks like some other SiLabs chip, but with a different register mapping 14.03.15 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C57D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.04.13 # scorche: cool, to where? and running scripts? 14.04.43 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 14.06.53 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r26623): FS#9034 - sort viewers.config by plugin name so the open with window is alphabetically sorted 14.08.44 Quit [CGL] (Remote host closed the connection) 14.10.00 # is there a script to easy build all simulators? 14.10.51 # release/sims.pl if you are lucky 14.11.02 # gevaerts: can I interest you in FS#9053? 14.12.35 # wasn't it intentional to have the open with list not sorted? I.e. so the (assumed) more often used are at the top? 14.13.31 # maybe origionally, but it was mostly sorted by extension 14.13.36 # Stummi: I don't think you need luck. That script builds the sims on my website every day 14.13.57 # ok, i will see then 14.14.09 # or not 14.14.17 # i think first i have to build all avaible cross-compilers first? 14.14.21 # -first 14.14.31 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 14.16.46 # the simulator doesn't need a cross compiler 14.20.08 Join Jaykay [0] (~chatzilla@p5DC57476.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.22.12 # nuts, that volume label patch no worky :( 14.25.22 # hi, while everyone (or only AlexP) is cleaning up the tracker, heres another one: FS#7432 is a duplicate of FS#10559, which got committed 14.28.41 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 14.31.35 Join teru [0] (~teru@M016207.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 14.33.13 # <_jhMikeS_> funman: looks fine I guess. swp is sort of deprecated anyway. could probably do without the SW/SWAP defines as well (are the macros actually used anywhere now?) 14.33.15 Join Fudge [0] (~TheFudge@220-253-136-35.TAS.netspace.net.au) 14.33.19 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.34.44 # rasher: F#7984 - talk clips for the db.. close? resync+commit? 14.35.41 # I'm not sure.. I'd love it if someone could improve it 14.35.48 # But I guess it's better than nothing 14.36.14 # did it work? 14.38.35 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@dsl50-196.pool.bitel.net) 14.38.35 Quit bmbl (Changing host) 14.38.35 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 14.39.40 Part Fudge ("Love the one you're with") 14.41.24 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-214-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.42.21 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.45.11 # jhMikeS: i didn't look very far 14.45.22 # just noticed #ifdef CPU_PP inside another #ifdef CPU_PP 14.54.07 # Jaykay: I don't think it is - FS#7432 had both lrc and snc, and FS#10559 was lrc only 14.54.16 # sorting viewers.config by plugin name isn't a good idea imo as the order affects what plugin is used to open a file. now it beigns to sort a file if I select a .txt file. 14.54.23 # so what do we do about the skin format changes? the patch is ready to go and needs to go in soonish so bieber can make sure his skin renderer agrees with svn... 14.54.48 # JdGordon: I definitely want to make those names more flexible, but I'm not sure yet how 14.54.57 # funman: I must've been making sure it really was CPU_PP :P 14.55.14 # scorche|sh, Domonoky1: any news on the theme site front? 14.55.43 # gevaerts: well that patch didnt work after a quick sync :( it would be nice to be able to use the volume name 14.56.01 # Also, I just saw your patch showing usb status... any thoughts on adding that? 14.56.26 # New commit by 03kugel (r26624): Use SYS_FS_CHANGED and a slight rework in the recalculation of free disk space in the Rockbox Info screen. 14.56.30 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r26625): Transmit installed build revision and release version to theme site. ... 14.57.00 # does rbutil have a "check for update"? 14.57.34 # JdGordon: no, but it does automatically check for updates, and informs the user :-) 14.57.43 Quit esperegu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.57.52 # close enough :) 14.58.11 # so step 1) push a rbutil update, 2) fix the theme site 3) commit the break 14.58.49 # 4) properly support theme formats with the theme site 14.59.18 # can it all be done in the next few hours? :'( 14.59.56 # the other option is just getting someone to make a frontend for the update theme script which can work on an uploaded zip 15.01.21 # New commit by 03torne (r26626): USB charging support for iPods. ... 15.01.39 # JdGordon: ok, I'll work on my own then :) 15.02.40 # bluebrother: there you go ) 15.02.52 # Torne: \o/ 15.03.13 # I need to update the manual to explain the new tristate usb charging setting 15.03.18 # but other than that, it's done 15.04.03 # so FS#8802 is fixed now, right? 15.04.05 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C57D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.04.12 # JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8968 15.04.14 Quit jae_ (Remote host closed the connection) 15.04.17 # Thoughts? :) 15.04.22 # bluebrother: Yeah, i'll close it in a mo 15.04.23 Join jae [0] (~jae@jaerhard.com) 15.05.02 # AlexP: I guess that is more up to everyone else 15.05.18 # I'm happy to sync and make it good if it willl be accepted 15.05.28 # AlexP: I still like inline settings, especially in a two-line way. 15.05.50 # I'm asking people here 15.06.10 # * JdGordon almost gages every time he looks at settings_list.c ... such a monstrosety 15.06.18 # * JdGordon likes to think he learnt from that :p 15.07.14 # AlexP: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5881.msg45572#msg45572 15.08.10 # JdGordon: Most people here seem to like/be indifferent to the concept, but think that particular task should be shut as it isn't very useful (pending a proper go if you feel like it) 15.08.14 # I dont remember if that patch let you change the value without going into the setting? 15.08.30 # JdGordon: Maybe following a brief discussion on the list :) 15.09.53 # if we were using the skin engine to draw the lists this would be trvial to add 15.10.10 # JdGordon: So yeah, at least from the subsection of people here, sure, why not :) 15.12.40 # ok, leave it open, i've added a comment 15.12.51 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 15.13.25 # funman: do you still need 11159? 15.14.04 # JdGordon: Will do 15.14.51 # JdGordon: not *i*, every target which uses passthrough for FM playback 15.14.54 # * JdGordon doesnt know what to do about FS#9514... for completness it should go in, but nothing requires it 15.15.01 # just go in FM sound settings and modify bass/trebble 15.15.13 # so should that patch be commited? 15.15.46 # if it works its pretty silly keeping it in the tracker 15.16.11 # yeah 15.16.41 # does it work? 15.17.37 # it will with one quick change 15.19.01 # JdGordon: voice clips for db worked fine as long as the string to be spoken was an artist name, album name or title 15.19.44 # JdGordon: anything else would require parsing the tagnavi.conf and creating appropriate voice clips for the strings made up of several items 15.19.54 # Or combining them in the talk enging 15.20.49 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r26627): Remove card_enable_monitoring() and use a mutex instead. The card_enable_monitoring() method actually didn't eliminate the possible race conditions it ... 15.22.29 Join uski [0] (~uski@2a01:e35:8b02:55b0:21d:e0ff:fe28:97a3) 15.23.53 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r26628): don't draw the presets on the FM frequency bar, they look like crap. This will come back when they are configurable shortly 15.24.33 # * gevaerts thinks that mutexes take too much RAM 15.26.02 # funman: doesnt work in the sim.... if it works on target it can go in though 15.26.15 # JdGordon: i didnt test it 15.26.30 # * amiconn thinks it was a good idea to not just commit the pp502x lcd address "fixup" right away 15.26.50 # It's actually breaking stuff on pp5022... 15.28.15 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r26629): Make disk_init() non-static again. I forgot to look at the bootloaders 15.28.21 # Torne: I only want it be charging when it isn't connected to an usb host 15.29.06 # only charge on AC adapter and not on PC 15.29.40 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 15.30.45 # yorick: turn the option on and off then 15.31.41 # yorick: that's a too special case to have it hardcoded 15.32.02 # Zagor: my PC can't handle full power USB, that's why I have a charger 15.32.22 # sorry, your pc is broken. it's not our job to workaround. 15.32.32 # yorick: We can't have an option for every little thing, and this is really not something most people will worry about 15.32.38 # WHat do you mean, can't handle? 15.32.48 # if you connect to a hub that doesn't have enough power it won't charge 15.32.55 # it only charges if it's been told by the host that it an 15.32.58 # Torne: it makes strange noises :) 15.34.23 # Well, yeah 15.34.26 # You have broken hardware :) 15.34.40 # if you set USB charging to "off" it will draw no more than 100mA from the port 15.34.48 # funman: ok, got it working, only bass and treble? 15.34.58 # if you need it to work that way then yo'll have to patch it yourself 15.34.59 # but it will also draw no more than 100 mA from my charger :) 15.34.59 # and bass cutoff 15.35.05 # Yes, so change the option 15.35.08 # or patch the code 15.35.19 # THe function is usb_max_allowed_current in firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c 15.35.28 # You can change the logic there to anything you like 15.35.29 # JdGordon: do you still have an H300 - and a remote with it? 15.35.42 # yes, but it isnt working currently 15.36.39 # * gevaerts wants help with the remaining r26627 reds 15.37.45 # gevaerts: adding some? ;) 15.37.55 # Sure, go ahead! 15.38.31 # JdGordon: well any setting which involves processing of audio data 15.38.34 # pixelma: why do you ask? 15.38.44 # hmm... ok, just noticed that not all controls in the graphical eq screen are available on the H100 remote. There doesn't seem to be a remote eq context so it uses everything standard but some non-standard things (increase/decrease the values) are missing 15.39.24 # and don't look at the manual to find out which ones I mean. It's quite wrong there 15.40.02 # not sure if the H300 remote is different there though 15.40.08 # funman: which are? :) 15.40.11 # pixelma: I have a remote 15.40.16 # just not with me :/ 15.40.25 Join Akranis [0] (~mattias@h212n2-vrr-d2.ias.bredband.telia.com) 15.40.41 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r26630): Don't initialise disk_* for the sim, and make sure disk.c isn't built at all 15.41.25 # JdGordon: anything but volume 15.41.51 # but actually jhMikeS added some hardware sound settings to the gigabeats recently so it might different for this one :/ 15.41.59 # jhMikeS: can you help with this ^ ? 15.44.26 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 15.46.11 # bluebrother: Domonoky1? :'( 15.46.33 # JdGordon: working on it... the copy still doesnt really work. 15.46.42 # ok :) 15.46.58 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht) 15.47.33 # New commit by 03funman (r26631): sd-as3525v2: check the (supposedly) card data line for business when writing ... 15.50.23 Quit Xerion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.50.28 # New commit by 03amiconn (r26632): Use atomic GPIO manipulation where appropriate. 15.52.20 Join ocin [0] (nico@irc.core.ws) 15.55.15 Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.brig.cable.ntl.com) 15.57.27 # JdGordon: copy is finished, and now available at http://themes.rockbox.org/oldsite/www/ 15.57.56 # I get a logon prompt 16.00.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.01.27 # JdGordon: should be fine now 16.01.49 # yep :) 16.02.36 # funman: what's going on now? 16.02.47 # so, uh, how do we do this? 16.02.49 # so we can now modify the theme zips (and the rbutilqt.php) without worries.. but Devcon is nearly ending now.. 16.04.00 Quit hebz0rl (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.05.16 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.06.04 # mcuelenaere has done a php page to run the update theme script... im a bit wary of running it on the live site though 16.06.32 # at the very least can the zips be backed up? 16.07.07 # we have a backup now :-) 16.07.47 # jhMikeS: can you change sound settings when listening to FM on gigabeast? 16.08.21 # funman: you can change sound settings, just not tone controls or 3d effect, sine they're digital 16.08.55 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 16.09.11 # technically, you can change them, but not listen to the change live on an analog path 16.09.13 # JdGordon: i think its ok to convert the themes on the site in the next days... it doesnt hurt much if svn doesnt have themes for a few days. 16.09.13 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-214-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.09.30 # jhMikeS: so what you can change include bass / trebble? 16.09.46 # i don't know if the gigabeats is the only target with HW bass/trebble control 16.10.11 # Domonoky1: changes to rbutilqt.php: http://pastebin.ca/1877879 16.10.34 # of course that revision 25000 needs to get changes, and the link to the old site 16.10.37 # funman: hardly, others have it, but the irivers with the UDA 1380 allow radio digital loopback because it has a digital mixer, so voice can be heard too, thus the tone controls also work 16.11.10 # bluebrother: if you find the time, please finish and commit that, and i will update it when we converted the zips. 16.11.18 # Domonoky1: ok, so commit it? 16.11.22 # we'll need some new #HAVE_SOMETHING to only show these settings for irivers? 16.11.23 # funman: gigabeat F has HW tone, but no FM 16.11.44 # or can we use existing something_SW_TONE 16.12.07 # funman: I suppose. They might be unique in having that digital mixer. If S had it, I'd set it up the same way. 16.12.10 # Domonoky1: ok, so you're trying to do the conversion now? 16.12.53 # bluebrother: no. i have to leave devcon now.. 16.13.00 # i can try todo it in the next days.. 16.13.50 # ok 16.13.56 Quit Domonoky1 (Quit: Leaving.) 16.14.08 # committing won't affect the live system, will it? 16.14.34 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 16.15.07 # * kugel says good bye from devcon 16.15.10 # o/ 16.15.11 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 16.15.34 # funman: S "tone controls" are five bands, under a submenu, with an "advanced" subment under that, FYI (in case it matters) 16.17.30 # OK, I'll commit tomorow my time... 16.18.03 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de) 16.18.14 # where can I find the default wps for 128x64x1? rockbox_default is just a dummy file and I'd like to modify it a little 16.18.18 # New commit by 03torne (r26633): USB charging: update manual 16.19.15 # ocin: the default? i.e the one with images? 16.20.35 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.20.53 # JdGordon: I think ocin meant the old style default (which is included in the bin as a fallback iirc?) 16.22.25 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@f053155058.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.22.25 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 16.22.25 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 16.22.44 Quit pamaury (Quit: exit(rand());) 16.30.51 Quit phanboy4 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 16.32.44 Join FlynDice [0] (~FlynDice@64.134.138.40) 16.32.47 # ocin: rockbox_default is only in the code, it's not a separate file. Btw, that default is not related to any resolution. The default theme however is cabbiev2. 16.34.22 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.34.43 # ocin: it's in /apps/gui/wps.c , starting approx. line 130 16.39.03 # thanks 16.40.04 # maybe we should rename rockbox_default to rockbox_classic? 16.41.09 # ocin: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P if that is the one you want 16.41.17 # although its still 50:50 if it is 16.43.55 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 16.45.12 Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 16.46.11 # http://omploader.org/vNGludw thats the one I'm liiking for, called rockbox_default in the wps settings menu 16.46.47 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.51.21 # JdGordon: looks like it is the one 16.51.50 # uber blurry cam :D 16.52.21 # cool, i'm saving that one too so i can change it a bit 16.52.25 # on the clip+ it's great 16.52.39 # yeah, mobile phone failed to focus :p 16.52.42 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 16.53.28 # it's one of the few useable wps for the clip 16.53.52 Quit teru (Quit: Quit) 16.54.51 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 16.58.04 # ocin, the cabbie v2 wps for the clip was modified a bit this weekend to unify it with an existing one for a remote with the same resolution 17.00.52 # cabbiev2 does not look bad too but personally I don't really like it 17.04.23 # damn sansa for makeing the yellow 16px instead of 8 or 10 17.04.35 # ah! iAmp is used as the default one, just figured 17.04.55 # 6.35MB buffer on the clip+? yeah right? 17.05.10 # ocin: ? no it isnt 17.05.40 # it looks the same like rockbox_default 17.05.46 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 17.06.12 # New commit by 03zagor (r26634): Updated URL to videolan.org logo 17.06.27 # doing the heavy lifting now B) 17.06.46 # rockbox info telling me 6.19mb buffer JdGordon 17.07.01 # I thought the clip had a tiny buffer? 17.07.27 # apparenlty it has 8mb 17.07.35 # clip does clip+ has 8MB 17.07.46 # * FlynDice is slow as usual 17.08.03 # ah ok 17.10.43 # http://themes.rockbox.org/themes/128x64/basipeak/wps-basipeak-wps.PNG - 1. what is the icon in the top right indicating? 2. is it possible to get rid of the dots between the visualisation bars, they look like artifacts? :p 17.10.59 # flash access 17.11.30 Quit Jaykay (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.13.26 # ocin: the dots are the scale.. 17.14.19 # Torne: I know 17.16.43 Quit guymann (Quit: brb) 17.17.13 # not without editing the code 17.21.54 # hm, i am wondering if it would be possible, to port the gcc to rockbox *g* 17.22.38 # clipline, dancepuffduo, engineer2 are "broken" on the clip(+) by the way (mainly because if the yellow) 17.22.38 # and how much time it would take to compile rockox at my 8-mhz-arm fuse :D 17.24.13 # Stummi: belive it or not, that isnt the worst idea we've ever heard! 17.24.27 # firefox! 17.24.44 # lol 17.25.04 # ahem ""I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard."" 17.25.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5780 17.26.03 # lol 17.26.51 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 17.27.08 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 17.30.07 # but a python-port would be a nice thing *g* 17.31.53 # rbutil calls itself RockboxUtility.exe when it copies itself to a player, even in linux 17.44.37 # to confuse poor windows users, no doubt :) 17.44.56 Quit Zagor (Quit: Leaving) 17.46.04 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.46.17 # rbutil is now called RockboxUtility btw :) 17.48.04 # Stummi: a python port would not be particularly useful, really 17.48.46 # i've looked at it 17.50.32 # Stummi: lua doesnt' get a great deal of use, so adding another embedded language which is far larger and slower is probably not super relevant 17.51.25 Join Jaykay [0] (~chatzilla@p5DC57476.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.51.38 # also, how to actully include it would be a problem in itself; lua's source is tiny enough that we can just drop it into our repo, but python's source is garantuan by comparison 17.51.54 # maintaining what would effectively be a fork is not great 17.52.48 # i love whaen people suggests we port flash to rockbox since that will by some magic mechanism bring a flashier gui :) 17.53.10 # has anyone done any thing noteworthy with the lua thing? 17.53.45 # there's a game or two implemented in it, i think 17.54.19 # the problem with python is we'd have to throw out huge chunks of the standard library tohave any hope of fitting on target 17.54.46 # we don't have dynamic loading so all extension modules we wanted would need to be compiled in, and that adds up very fast.. then the memory usage of imported pythonc ode is also considerable 17.55.14 # ah, yes there are 4 lua plugins 17.55.37 Quit uski (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.55.40 # 4? I only know of the boomshine one 17.55.40 # I expect eventually someone will redo the wps in lua 17.56.01 # boomshine, stopwatch, plus helloworld and test_viewports which don't really count 17.56.08 # so yeah, one game, one app plugin, and two test/demo things 17.57.36 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 17.59.47 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.00.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.07.47 Join uski [0] (~uski@2a01:e35:8b02:55b0:21d:e0ff:fe28:97a3) 18.09.50 Join Xanikseo [0] (~mark@92.15.145.165) 18.11.17 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.11.48 Quit hebz0rl (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.12.57 Quit uski (Quit: This is a quit message virus. Please copy my text in your "quit" message.) 18.14.28 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C57D.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.15.06 Quit petur (Quit: ) 18.17.38 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 18.24.32 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 18.24.33 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.24.50 Join Kitr88 [0] (Kitar_st@BSN-182-55-236.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 18.28.11 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.36.50 # the lang file cleanup revealed a serious flaw in Rockbox Utility: it always uses daily versions for voices 18.51.02 Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 18.57.08 Join webguest53 [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 18.59.25 Quit webguest53 (Client Quit) 19.00.48 Join Xtrash [0] (~Xtrash@41.226.114.166) 19.01.30 # Hello 19.04.14 # Hello 19.11.32 # greetings 19.13.23 Quit Xanikseo (Quit: Leaving) 19.15.45 Join |liar| [0] (~liar@91-114-245-164.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 19.19.11 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.22.37 Join Halborr [0] (~chatzilla@dhcp-51-27-149-24.cf-res.cfu.net) 19.29.33 # Does anything got done regarding RB-USB for the SANSAs at devcon? 19.31.17 Join roolku [0] (~roolku@cpc1-sgyl16-0-0-cust145.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) 19.37.15 # New commit by 03roolku (r26635): fix typo in r26245 (I guess not many people use rtc_alarm with gigabeat f) 19.37.47 # Rob2223: the AMS sansas? 19.37.56 # yes 19.38.20 # pamaury worked on it, and he now has the USB tracer to help him 19.38.31 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.207.243.107) 19.39.12 Quit CGL (Client Quit) 19.39.19 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.207.243.107) 19.39.42 Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 19.40.17 Quit Halborr (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100403145736]) 19.45.35 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.56.01 Quit jfc (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.00.32 Quit wincent (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.00.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.01.11 Quit roolku () 20.01.12 Join jfc [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 20.01.48 # ah ok 20.02.04 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r26636): Move retrieval of revision and release numbers to RockboxInfo class. ... 20.02.11 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r26637): Distinguish between release and current build when installing voice files. ... 20.03.36 Quit FlynDice (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.10.42 Quit jfc (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20.11.07 Join jfc [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 20.11.18 Part Xtrash 20.12.52 # bluebrother: do you have your M:Robe100 handy and could help me out finding the keymap of the grqphical eq? 20.13.02 # or graphical 20.14.04 # pixelma: sure, just need to find the cable 20.14.13 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 20.14.20 # battery flat? 20.14.34 # bluebrother, I hate missing cables 20.15.26 # no. Hmm, seems I even updated Rockbox recently (thought it was ages old) 20.15.51 # speaking of missing cables... there was one USB mini-B cable over at the DevCon place - so in case anyone misses it we took it with us 20.16.18 # fortunately standard cables are rather easy to replace :) 20.16.40 # (which is what I really hate about all those players with non-standard connectors :( ) 20.16.52 # true 20.17.04 # ok, can check 20.17.29 # bluebrother: could you tell me which buttons move up and down between the bands, increase/decrease values and which one is for switching the thing to set and which leaves the scren 20.18.13 # seems to be more or less standard actions and I would have to read my way through the keymap file otherwise (or try in a sim) 20.18.54 # up/down: move between bands 20.18.59 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C57D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.19.08 # left/right: decrease / increase value 20.19.35 # Select: toggle between Gain, Cutoff and Q 20.20.14 # Power: quit screen 20.20.41 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 20.20.51 # entering: from the menu (got there via context menu / sound settings). Is there a button for entering the EQ at all? 20.21.10 # ah, looks I misread :) 20.21.18 # not that I'm aware of 20.21.36 # great thanks. :) I'm updating the button table and it misses half of the targets and there are quite some errors in the rest of it 20.21.48 # thought you asked about how to enter the EQ. Confused me a bit, but you didn't ask that at all :) 20.22.23 # any other target I could help by trying out? 20.23.18 # I think I've covered all of them for now 20.23.55 # ok, nice 20.24.18 # I was just wondering if I should introduce \Actions for it to make the table simpler but thought it's more important to give the correct info for now 20.25.29 Join halmi [0] (~netbook@93-82-46-61.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 20.27.50 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-235-214-206.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.30.48 Quit flydutch (Quit: /* empty */) 20.31.51 Join Antibuddha [0] (~chatzilla@c-71-59-19-167.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 20.35.17 Quit halmi (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.37.56 Join Jerom [0] (~Jerom@79.132.52.105) 20.41.00 Join Buschel [0] (~ab@p54A3E289.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.04 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r26638): Sort rbutil.ini general section and rename voice_url for clarity. 20.48.22 # * amiconn found teh problem 20.48.30 # The architecture parameter was wrong 20.48.53 # If you specify a nonexisting architecture, rbclient.pl doesn't handle that well 20.51.14 # worx 20.55.34 # Unhelpful: The PCM codec can play any standard sample rate (8/11/12/16/22/24/32/44/48 kHz), mono or stereo, little endian or big endian, 8 or 16 bit pcm 20.55.42 # So WAV and AIFF are possible 20.55.56 # Things like ADPCM could be decoded on the SH1 20.56.42 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 20.58.09 # amiconn: yes, but ADPCM has lousy compression ratios *and* sound quality... you could pretty much guarantee better performance on both counts with the MPA codec :) 20.58.30 # unless you already have an ADPCM file, i suppose 20.58.53 # I've been thinking about the latter 20.59.27 # * pixelma has a very few IMA ADPCM files 21.00.15 # "just to not make it worse by transcoding to mp3", basically? 21.01.09 # but quality doesn't suffer noticably when transcoded to MP3, they are just so bad originally. I just keep them as a "souvenir" - those are live recordings from a concert I went to 21.01.36 Join wincent [0] (~Miranda@f055063096.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.07.40 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21.08.25 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au) 21.08.25 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 21.08.25 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.13.34 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 21.16.59 Join merbanan [0] (~banan@c-94-255-214-233.cust.bredband2.com) 21.17.18 # phew! after 2 1/2 hours eabi toolchain has been built for cygwin. never thought it would take this long... 21.24.38 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 21.26.15 Quit t0rc (Remote host closed the connection) 21.27.36 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.35.15 Join mikroflops_ [0] (~yogurt@90-224-31-157-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 21.38.20 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21.50.27 Nick CGL is now known as _[CGL]_ (~CGL@190.207.243.107) 21.50.46 Quit n17ikh (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.51.59 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.53.51 Quit grndslm (Read error: Operation timed out) 21.59.28 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 22.00.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.06.06 Join n17ikh [0] (~n17ikh@host-64-234-82-192.nctv.com) 22.16.09 # Torne: You there? 22.16.34 # Llorean: unlikely 22.17.17 # Ah well, it's not urgent. 22.18.41 Quit yorick (Quit: Poef!) 22.30.28 Quit bmbl (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22.32.35 # short test_codec runs with eabi gcc 4.4.4 against arm-elf gcc 4.0.3 on an iPod Video (PP502x) show similar results to kugel's tests. mp3 speed is nearly identical, mpc is minor slower (-0.4%), flac is reasonable slower (-8%). 22.33.21 # at least for flac this more or less irrelevant as the resulting real-time need is still (far) beyond the unboosted clock 22.35.20 Quit Jerom (Remote host closed the connection) 22.39.38 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 22.47.00 Quit Jennifur (Quit: Going!) 22.51.25 Quit merbanan (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.52.18 # interesting. with eabi it is possible to disable the asm implementation of dct32 in libmad (this lead to hard crash with former compiler).if combined with -O1 (nstead of -O2) this speeds up mp3 decoding from 21.1 MHz to 20.5 MHz on my iPod Video. 22.53.53 # -> http://www.pastebin.org/313497 22.54.49 # these results are similar to what I have experienced in mpc decoder. the dct32 asm routine is _slower_ than a gcc compiled version. 22.55.03 # nice 22.55.59 Quit Akranis (Quit: Lämnar) 22.56.23 # maybe mr. somebody should check this on other arm's as well 22.58.59 # so what makes the v2 fuzes be in "unusable" status? 22.59.17 Quit |liar| (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.59.24 # www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS 22.59.31 Quit Jaykay (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 23.00.20 Quit Antibuddha (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 23.01.30 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-147-180.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.01.35 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-147-180.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.05.12 Join CaptainKwel [0] (~jason@207-237-113-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 23.06.15 Quit CaptainKwel (Client Quit) 23.07.20 Quit togetic (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.08.55 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (~BHSPitLap@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 23.09.32 # good night 23.09.34 Quit Buschel () 23.11.24 Join S_a_i_n_t_ [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.3.173) 23.12.15 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 23.16.08 Quit TheSeven (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.16.11 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 23.24.44 # dunno who collects the firmwares on daniel.haxx.se but here's a 02.03.33 one: simonraven.kisikew.org/src/sansa/fuzev2/fuze02.03.33.zip 23.26.38 Join hamish_ [0] (~hamish@119.224.50.74) 23.28.38 # what's that "clpp_data.dat" file within the zip? 23.31.20 # other firmware zips don't have that, so this 2.3.33 file is much bigger than usual 23.34.51 # hmm, sec 23.36.33 # well the first line in mcview shows ID3......vTIT2.......slotRadio Promotion Rev5.TPE1... ...SanDisk.TYER.......2010.TCON.......Rock.GEOB.........SfMarkers 23.36.59 # probably some promo video for slotradio 23.37.05 # or mp3 23.37.34 # also that renaming the bin with T, A etc. works too 23.38.38 # i was also successful in using the mkamsboot in SVN with the bootloader-fuzev2.sansa and that OF revision 23.38.58 Quit petur (Quit: Zzzzz) 23.41.28 # thanks, firmware added 23.41.55 Join joeyg [0] (~apoelstra@S010600236999fec1.vs.shawcable.net) 23.43.12 # np :) 23.46.13 Join guymann [0] (~charlie@69.0.82.46) 23.57.17 Quit BHSPitLappy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)