--- Log for 08.08.110 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 17 hours ago 00.00.29 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Remote host closed the connection) 00.00.47 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@94.75.220.183) 00.04.26 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.162) 00.12.49 Join Mr_Sensitive [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.18.9) 00.16.04 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.18.28 Quit sasquatch (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.22.31 Join kramer3d [0] (~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 00.22.38 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-57-51.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.26.18 # kugel, any chance for an Android build for testing? ;) 00.26.35 Join [Saint] [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.133) 00.27.02 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.27.29 Quit bertrik (Quit: :tiuQ) 00.29.56 # New commit by 03kugel (r27748): Android port: The RockboxService introduction broke 1.5/1.6 compability. This should bring it back (heaviliy based on the example given in the Android ... 00.31.14 # soaa_: screen resolution? 00.31.28 # HVGA, same as your Legend. ;) 00.31.33 # I have a Hero. 00.31.43 # r27748 build result: All green 00.31.54 # (although, the Desire was just released with Telus yesterday... So tempting!) 00.32.47 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FC62FB2.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.33.08 # soaa_: with 2.1? 00.33.17 # I have 2.2. 00.33.48 # Though, apks for 2.1 should work on 2.2, right? 00.34.08 # Is HVGA 400x360? 00.35.17 # 480x360. 00.35.28 # Minus the notification bar. 00.35.35 # 480x320 isn't it? 00.35.43 # ... 320, my bad. 00.35.59 # * Bagder had no idea its named HVGA. Those names are all terrible 00.36.07 # * soaa_ just spent a long time at work. 00.36.18 # VGA is 720x400! 00.36.59 # It's not that bad. VGA is 640x480, so HVGA (half VGA) is 320x480, and QVGA (quarter) is 320x240. 00.37.13 # It gets tricky when you have the letter X in there. And then you can't be sure anymore. 00.37.16 # it IS that bad 00.37.25 # VGA is *not* 640x480 00.37.36 # It *can* be that, but it very often is something else 00.37.53 # [Citation needed] 00.37.56 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.38.13 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.40) 00.38.14 # all of those names are horrid 00.38.50 # soaa_: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox.apk 00.38.54 # scorche: I agree 00.38.58 # soaa_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Graphics_Array and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_compatible_text_mode 00.41.43 # gevaerts, you just contradicted yourself. When we refer to VGA as a screen resolution, it's 640x480. When we refer to VGA as a graphics adapter, it could mean other resolutions. 00.41.57 # Thanks, kugel. Testing right away/ 00.42.04 Join freddyb [0] (~chatzilla@216.8.239.112.etczone.com) 00.42.15 # soaa_: When we say we, do we mean I? 00.42.23 Quit ender` (Quit: The greatest trick god ever pulled was building the universe to look exactly like he didn't exist.) 00.42.59 # when I say "we" I mean the same "we" who never calls a resoluton for VGA either ;-) 00.43.14 # "VGA resolution" means "A resolution that's achievable with a VGA card" 00.43.26 # Not always. 00.43.47 # Sure, but I could also say "bicycle" and claim I mean a tree 00.44.05 # like a larch? 00.44.23 # Yes! 00.44.41 # Wow, jeez, you're able to selectively ignore entire parts of an article you link to me in order to prove your point. 00.44.43 # * Bagder recognizes a tree from quite a far way away 00.45.48 # soaa_: see the bit that starts with "The VGA specifications are as follows". Anything else is fluff 00.46.42 # * gevaerts didn't claim that that article was entirely accurate, he just linked to it to provide the citation that soaa_ wanted for the claim that VGA often is not 640x480 00.46.56 Quit BHSPitMini (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.47.04 # The part that interests us most now, since we're talking about screen resolutions, is the part that continues after "Standard graphics modes are:". 00.48.12 # If you want to stick to your 1987 definition, that's fine. But you don't have to so stuck up to it in 2010, when a VGA screen on a phone always means 640x480. 00.48.32 # Except that you don't *have* a VGA screen on a phone 00.49.02 # Oops, http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond/specification.html 00.49.30 # It's on the internet, used by a marketing department. It *must* be true! 00.50.04 # Like I said, stick to your 1987 definition if you really desire so. 00.50.37 # * gevaerts lets soaa_ happily use his DVWFQKJVDJQCYQQEWSAGDGAGSQSVGA screen 00.51.12 # But you're just being stuck up if you want to force your accepted definion on an entire community that refers to screen resolutions by their consistently marketed names, i.e. xda-developers. 00.51.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.21 # * soaa_ lets gevaerts happily use his 1987 IBM PC. 00.52.27 # soaa_: in our community we really never use names, we use number x number 00.52.38 Join BHSPitMini [0] (~BHSPitMon@tx-76-6-71-213.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) 00.53.02 # mostly I guess because our most used resolutions (thankfully) don't have names 00.53.04 Quit Xerion (Quit: ) 00.53.26 # The Cowon D2 is QVGA. 00.53.29 # * soaa_ gets shot 00.53.31 # aaargh 00.53.33 # then you just have to live with the fact that half the people don't know what whateverVGA resolution basically is 00.54.00 # * Bagder has a D2 but didn't know the name of its resolution until just now 00.54.39 # Well sorry for assuming kugel knows what HVGA is. It's written in Android documentation too, if I recall correctly. 00.54.49 # it is? 00.54.55 # and you always have to answer questions just to specify so that everyone knows what it is 00.54.56 # Hold on, lemme pull up that page. 00.55.10 # I have an android phone with that resolution and I've not seen that name before 00.55.24 # but then again, I'm a bit clueless with the names 00.56.07 Join Dahvid [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 00.56.15 # http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html Here ya go. 00.56.32 # Can someone help me? 00.56.53 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 00.57.33 # soaa_: the use of names like "FWQVGA" clearly shows that those are meant as a joke 00.57.37 # soaa_: I think it's generally safer to assume that people don't know what the cryptic *VGA abbreviations mean :) 00.57.50 # Dahvid: only if you ask a question 00.58.07 # Rockbox installs a bootloader over the Apple one, right? 00.58.31 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 00.59.07 # kugel, thanks for the tip. ;) 00.59.29 # My iPod is no longer recognized by iTunes, and the Rockbox bootloader is corrupt, is there a way to switch back to the Apple one, so that I may be able to restore? 00.59.46 # Dahvid: which specific ipod is this? 00.59.58 # iPod 5g 01.00.04 # Dahvid: You should always be able to access Apple's Disk Mode 01.00.10 Quit hebz0rl (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.00.19 # I have put it in disk mode, but the same thing happens 01.00.30 # Windows recognizes it, in device manager and in windows exolorer 01.00.53 # If I try to access the disk, Windows freezes 01.02.16 # I installed Rockbox using the automatic installer, and it worked fine for months. 01.03.12 # The boot errors out with "file not found" 01.03.30 # That sounds like serious disk corruption 01.03.42 # Dahvid: sounds like corrupt partitions/filesystems 01.03.56 Quit Mr_Sensitive (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.04.01 # Which, a restore should be able to fix? 01.04.06 # maybe 01.04.16 # if the disk isn't physically damaged 01.04.56 # Why wouldnt iTunes recognize it? 01.05.01 # Isn't that hardware-level? 01.06.44 # no 01.07.03 # If windows freezes if you try to access the disk, I'm not *that* surprised if itunes also misbehaves 01.10.40 # So, is there a way to load the original Apple software? 01.10.53 # Or was that overwritten? 01.12.07 # hold the correct button while booting. The manual should say which one. However, if the Apple emergency disk mode doesn't work, that won't work properly either 01.12.40 Quit komputes (Remote host closed the connection) 01.12.40 # So, it's basically a lost cause. 01.13.32 # Hard to say. Do you have access to a linux system? 01.13.54 # Or a mac, possibly 01.14.07 # If so, you could try http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore 01.14.25 Quit milz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.14.31 Quit Chronon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.15.31 # I think there's a reasonable chance that the disk is bad though 01.15.57 # Ya, both. 01.16.05 Quit BHSPitMini (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.16.29 # Maybe http://www.wikihow.com/Access-and-Run-Diagnostic-Tests-on-an-iPod-Video can be helpful as well 01.18.27 # Thanks, I'll try that. 01.20.24 Quit kramer3d (Quit: Leaving) 01.20.35 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 01.29.18 Join captainkewllllll [0] (~captainke@207-38-215-126.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.31.20 Quit captainkewllllll (Client Quit) 01.33.07 Quit soaa_ (Quit: Page closed) 01.48.12 # Is there a good theme to test all the features of the skin engine? 01.51.18 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.63.142) 01.52.25 # Yayy.My iPod works again. :) 01.52.54 # S_a_i_n_t: may I bug you about the icons? :) 01.53.53 # Dahvid: what did you end up doing? 01.54.28 # Manual iPod Restore from that link.. 01.55.06 # ok, so the filesystem and/or partition table were creatively messed up probably 01.55.39 # Ya. Thanks for the help! 01.56.43 Join [Saint] [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.91) 01.56.49 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.00.20 Quit freddyb (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457]) 02.03.11 # New commit by 03mc2739 (r27749): Fix message output for make install and make fullinstall 02.04.50 # r27749 build result: All green 02.05.26 Quit mt (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]) 02.14.10 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 02.15.38 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 02.16.57 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.) 02.17.44 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 02.28.25 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 02.28.37 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.37) 02.29.59 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.34.10 Join angelwolf71885 [0] (chatzilla@173.168.248.236) 02.39.19 Quit angelwolf71885 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 02.46.16 Join [Saint] [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.4.127) 02.46.26 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.51.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.59.10 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.157) 03.00.11 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.06.06 Quit Dreamxtreme (Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.) 03.09.31 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Dreamxtrem@92.30.60.223) 03.15.14 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 03.17.25 Join PouncePony [0] (~pouncep@224-6-237-24.gci.net) 03.23.41 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 03.26.48 Quit seani (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 03.40.32 Join seani [0] (~seani@109.224.128.185) 03.42.38 Join milz [0] (~kyle@d142-59-221-98.abhsia.telus.net) 04.01.37 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.01.47 Quit Jennifur (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.02.42 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.02.45 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.03.00 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.03.00 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.03.02 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.03.22 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.04.24 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.05.44 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f7042.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.05.49 # kugel: ping? 04.06.23 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (~st.lasciv@203.184.0.187) 04.06.44 Quit domonoky1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.10.35 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.13.44 Join storm` [0] (~lol@modemcable224.2-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) 04.14.03 Join larrythechamp [0] (~larrythec@c-98-222-44-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.14.20 # kugel: When do you need them by? I kinda forgot this whole GSoC thing was winding up soon... 04.16.03 # Another thing, is the 24x24 size inclusive of a transparent border? 04.16.25 # kugel: ^ 04.26.55 Quit larrythechamp (Quit: Leaving) 04.31.37 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.32.22 Join bunnyboi [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 04.35.34 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.50.28 Quit xavieran (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.51.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.55.20 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 04.55.57 Join xavieran [0] (~xavieran@ppp118-209-82-223.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 04.58.11 Quit xavieran (Max SendQ exceeded) 04.59.02 Join xavieran [0] (~xavieran@ppp118-209-82-223.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 05.00.51 Quit antil33t () 05.03.43 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.05.37 Quit seani (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05.14.09 Join Kilroy [0] (~Johan@bas6-toronto12-1088883227.dsl.bell.ca) 05.14.18 # Hi all 05.14.49 # I've a problem :/ 05.15.01 Quit PouncePony () 05.15.07 # i bought a ipod mini 05.15.31 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 05.17.35 # and after some manipulation, i think i kill my microdrive 05.17.52 # I've a picture when i turn it on 05.18.23 Quit storm` () 05.19.20 # a magsafe and two plug 05.19.31 # I try to reset it 05.19.32 Join seani [0] (~seani@109.224.128.185) 05.20.00 # i try to connect it to my computer 05.20.35 # (my computer and itunes don't show it) 05.20.36 Join JdGord [0] (~jdg@pa58-109-194-233.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.20.58 # so i don't know what i supose to do 05.21.10 # so i'm here :) 05.21.21 # (sory for my english, I'm french) 05.21.44 # an idea? 05.21.54 # sorry* 05.22.42 # i think i broke im when i want to install rockbox in 05.22.52 # it* 05.23.14 # installing rockbox wouldn't damage your drive 05.23.16 Quit JdGord (Client Quit) 05.24.23 # yes i know, usualy no 05.25.03 # so, if anybody know the ipod mini... 05.25.33 Quit antil33t () 05.26.11 # well, if it were ready to fail anyway, installing rockbox could have triggered it, but it's hardly rockbox's fault 05.26.46 # i don't know much about ipods, but should it turn out to be a drive failure, the ipod mini can use CF cards 05.26.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MiniCF 05.26.59 # i never say that 05.27.21 # just i don't know where find people who can help me 05.27.51 # so i'm here xD 05.28.07 # yes, i think i'll try with a CF card 05.30.13 # just, before to come apart my ipod, i want to try other things 05.30.44 # can you put it into emergency disk mode? the manual should have the key combination to do so 05.30.56 # my camera read the CF card, so i'll try to format the mircodrive 05.31.19 # emergency disk mode? i only heard about reset 05.31.21 Quit bunnyboi (Quit: Ex-Chat) 05.31.24 # i search that 05.36.53 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.37.54 # emergency disk mode should make it so your computer can read the drive, but if it still fails, then you very well may have a dead drive 05.38.46 # apparently there's a diagnostic mode too, so that may be of value 05.40.07 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.5.215) 05.40.47 # Kilroy: If you do chose to dissassemble your mini, *be carefull*, break the clickwheel ribbon and you'll regret it. 05.40.57 # (it's *really* easy to break) 05.41.20 # And not so easy to find a new one. 05.41.57 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.42.11 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 05.42.20 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 05.44.23 # bieber: If I create a new project in the themeeditor, make sure the images I intend to use in the .wps are in the correct location (Backdrop.bmp is the example here) and type %X(Backdrop.bmp) in the .wps document...shouldn't the backdrop just kinda automagically appear in the preview pain? 05.44.32 # I'm having some issues with that. 05.44.44 # *pane 05.45.44 # ok, thks for the advice 05.45.56 # the diagnostic mode works 05.46.06 # but the reset do nothing 05.46.12 # I only seem to have luck working on existing projects, creating a project from scratch doesn't seem to be nearly as simple. 05.46.19 # bieber: ^ 05.46.58 # Kilroy: Is there SMART data available in the Diagnostic Mode? 05.47.11 # (I have no idea about the diagnostic mode for the Mini) 05.48.24 # and wi've "smart dat" 05.48.42 # and smart scan 05.49.21 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 05.51.17 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.55.51 Join JdGord [0] (~jdg@pa58-109-194-233.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.03.21 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 06.09.17 # that doens't working :( 06.09.41 # i think i'll dissassemble it 06.11.06 # maybe a batterie problem 06.11.47 # because i can't do some test, it ask me to charge it 06.12.37 # and the power cable is plug... 06.13.50 # thanks for the advice 06.14.11 # good night 06.14.47 Quit Kilroy (Quit: Leaving) 06.20.15 Join bunnyboi [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 06.41.11 Quit Dahvid (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 06.51.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.52.54 Quit milz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.54.29 Join milz [0] (~kyle@d142-59-221-98.abhsia.telus.net) 07.05.46 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590fdbd4.pool.mediaWays.net) 07.25.09 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 07.25.20 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.27.48 Quit antil33t (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07.28.37 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 07.42.59 Quit anewuser (Quit: FAMICOMPO 7 - August 15 Through August 31 JST - http://midr2.under.jp/compo/vol7/index.html) 07.48.56 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 07.50.43 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 08.03.48 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 08.26.21 Quit bunnyboi (Quit: time is short, let's enjoy ourselves while we still can) 08.36.39 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.47.24 Part froggyman 08.51.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.52.52 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.3.8) 08.55.39 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.55.52 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 09.00.13 Quit JdGord (Quit: Bye) 09.04.14 # bieber: Pingy-pingy-ping? 09.04.27 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.06.30 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 09.12.05 # TheSeven: Ping? 09.23.27 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4CA99.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.27.46 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 09.28.03 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 09.31.01 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.31.06 Quit kadoban (Remote host closed the connection) 09.34.57 Join kadoban [0] (~mud@cpe-67-247-80-129.rochester.res.rr.com) 09.40.32 # New commit by 03bertrik (r27750): Update portugues-brasileiro translation, FS #11521 by Rodrigo Barretto 09.42.39 # r27750 build result: All green 09.42.55 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCA23D.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.45.01 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09.55.17 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 09.55.56 Join Highlander [0] (~Highlande@mek33-4-82-236-45-205.fbx.proxad.net) 10.01.47 # Does the samsung yh820 have alarm functionality in hardware? 10.02.29 # It seems to use an RTC that supports it, but it's not enabled in the config file (there's a "TODO: ???" comment in it) 10.03.43 Quit JdGordon (Quit: Leaving.) 10.05.23 Quit CaptainKwel (Quit: Ex-Chat) 10.14.45 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 10.22.01 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 10.22.41 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.189) 10.30.59 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 10.38.50 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.51.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.53.47 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4CA99.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.59.46 # ah, r27749 looks like it could fix the weird output when building a sim that I saw recently. 11.01.19 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.01.46 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.105.233) 11.02.44 # New commit by 03bertrik (r27751): Various minor fixes for Samsung YH* targets 11.04.08 Quit kadoban (Remote host closed the connection) 11.04.18 Join Jerom [0] (~jerome@95.171.131.249) 11.04.49 Join kadoban [0] (~mud@cpe-67-247-80-129.rochester.res.rr.com) 11.05.00 # r27751 build result: All green 11.33.32 # n1s: what do you think - should the "does the target have a radio" tag also appear in the theme tags section of the manual in non-radio target manuals? I'd think it would be helpful and a similar thing was done for the "does target have an RTC tag" 11.33.59 # and targets that don't have an RTC 11.34.14 # yeah, that sounds like a good thing 11.36.25 # ok, I'll look into it later. There is also the "current screen" tag and the "play mode" that mention radio and have some more values on radio targets. Their descriptions mention the radio bit, I'm wondering what to do with those. 11.37.08 # Maybe keep the radio in their description and add a note that they don't have an effect on targets without radio? 11.37.28 # yeah, i think that makes sense 11.39.37 # alright... something more to do. It's always "fun" how you get sidetracked when looking into something else actually :\ 11.40.13 # yeah, so many things to do and just scratching the surface almost always brings up more 11.44.11 # S_a_i_n_t: pong 11.44.49 # Don;t sppose you've had any luck narrowing down why the current Nano2G builds are borked? 11.51.04 Join Chronon [0] (~chronon@c-24-20-224-187.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 11.51.38 # borked how? 11.55.16 # hm, the ipod nano2g has quite a few drivers where the .c file does not seem to include its own header file, or where functions could be made static 11.57.34 # bertrik: STkov NAND panics all over the place. 11.57.40 Quit Chronon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.57.51 # It is basically (well, not basically, actually) impossible tyo use 11.57.58 # *to 12.08.22 # S_a_i_n_t: do you know which commit caused it to start happenig? 12.09.52 # * TheSeven suspects something has changed regarding storage idle callbacks 12.10.01 # (or something called by them) 12.10.16 # I'm not sure which commit it was, no. 12.10.29 # do you still know the range we narrowed it down to? 12.10.34 # I haven't had the time to be able to weed it out with a binary search either. :/ 12.11.07 # TheSeven; Someone on the tracker seemed to know an approximate range IIRC 12.12.42 # [12:56] the fs reports narrow it to r26850 - r27036 12.14.41 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 12.21.04 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.21.34 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 12.23.33 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 12.28.28 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 12.28.28 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 12.28.28 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.29.01 Join JdGord [0] (~jdg@pa58-109-194-233.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.34.56 Quit JdGord (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12.37.06 Join JdGord [0] (~jdg@pa58-109-194-233.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.37.46 # There is some funky stuff going on with structs and typedefs in ftl-nano2g.c :) 12.37.48 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 12.40.07 # struct ftl_vfl_cxt_type is declared as a named typedef, while struct ftl_cxt_type is declared as a direct struct (without typedef) which causes a completely unused struct to be instantiated 12.44.52 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 12.47.12 Quit JdGord (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12.50.48 # New commit by 03bertrik (r27752): ipod nano 2g: make functions/variables static where possible, add missing #includes 12.51.08 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p548514DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.51.19 # r27752 build result: All green 12.51.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.52.12 # bertrik: look at ftl-target.h :D 12.52.19 # that one's even worse 12.52.34 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 12.53.08 # i'll probably backport half a dozen ftl fixes rather soon 12.56.16 # After that, I'll do a new build and see if it just so happens to be magically fixed. 12.56.21 # (fingers crossed) 12.56.46 # The current build panics after 10~15 seconds on all my Nano2Gs 12.56.50 # S_a_i_n_t, I doubt it will fix itself ... 12.57.19 # Does stkov say which stack overflowed? 12.57.32 # bertrik: I was more hoping that something TheSeven or yourself does fixes it. 12.57.40 # and, no. 12.57.59 # Ah...what am I talking about, yes. It does. 12.58.04 # Stkov NAND 12.58.18 # bertrik: ^ 12.58.33 # * TheSeven suspects the stack size will just need to be increased a bit 12.58.59 # this is probably caused by a storage idle callback calling some settings saving function, which calls some fat functions that throw sector buffers on the stack 12.59.19 # TheSeven: I forgot where to increase those stacks, if you give me a hint on what to increase and where...I'll try it out and see if it helps any. 13.00.08 # increase the array size in the definition of nand_stack in target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/nand-nano2g.c 13.00.29 # to what? 13.00.49 # just add like 0x2000 first and check if the problems go away 13.01.08 # if yes, decrease it until you notice trouble again 13.01.15 # Sweet, I'll have a nosey shortly. 13.01.58 # i'm still wondering who is responsible for that additional stack usage though 13.02.45 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 13.03.11 # It may just be a coincidence as I hadn't built in some weeks before the commit, but I made a build the day the new skin parser was committed and that was when I reported the Nano2G was unusable 13.03.42 # bertrik: "#include "backlight-target.h"" wasn't needed, was it? backlight.h includes that already 13.03.45 # I don't want to blame the parser though, just something I noticed. 13.04.02 # also IIUC those *-target.h files should never be included directly 13.04.24 # kugel, I think it was 13.04.45 # _backlight_on and _backlight_off were not defined otherwise 13.05.32 # as I said, backlight.h includes backlight-target.h 13.06.24 # well, something is fishy then 13.06.44 Quit seani (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.07.42 # oh wait, it doesn't 13.17.16 # If I understand correctly, the NAND stack has a size of DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE which should be just 0x400 bytes (1 kilobyte) 13.17.33 # ...which should normally be sufficient 13.18.08 # the nand thread usually needs only a few bytes, in the beginning i had set the stack to 32 words or something, since it was only watching for a timeout and powering down the chip 13.18.37 # however as it's now calling the storage idle callback, it might be doing all hell of things 13.18.42 # ok, weird. Maybe the stack isn't really overflowing then, but rather corrupted by something else 13.19.46 # it might be running through the whole settings and fat code and might end up in the ftl and nand driver again 13.19.55 Join seani [0] (~seani@109.224.128.185) 13.20.41 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.21.10 # S_a_i_n_t: I don't think the icons are terribly critical, the tiny ones are just weird 13.21.38 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-212-041.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.21.44 # kugel: Sweet as, does the 24x24 size need a transparent border? 13.21.50 # Or is that the full icon? 13.22.45 # the current ones have no border afaics 13.23.22 # I guess what I mean is, they won't be touching each other will they? unless someone has less that 24px font I guess. 13.23.47 # I think a long list of icons touching each other looks crap. 13.24.46 # they'll draw over each other but that hasn't been a problem so far 13.26.13 # I shall start on them tomorrow, it won't take me too long I imaging...I'll borrow from the Tango! iconset again, as seems to be the "cabbie" style. 13.26.39 # yes, sounds good 13.27.56 # hehehe...your phone can load 320x240 WPS etc right? 13.28.10 # * S_a_i_n_t just finished the iLike WPS for the Video 13.28.39 # iPod OF an an Android phone would look just plain wrong I imagine. 13.28.52 # I'm not keen on trying it out 13.29.20 # btw, you can configure the sdl app for 320x480 if you want to have a look 13.30.11 # Sounds good, I literally haven't seen any of the RaaA port so far. 13.30.17 # Narry a single screenshot. 13.30.52 # I've posted some where a few days ago 13.31.20 # http://imagebin.org/108278 http://imagebin.org/108279 http://imagebin.org/108280 13.31.37 # Thanks man. 13.32.48 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 13.34.27 # kugel: I guess you need a new "default" statusbar also? 13.34.36 # That one looks *tiny* 13.35.04 # The rest looks very good though. 13.38.16 # I think it would be more useful to use *no* statusbar but reserve some space for the android statusbar actually 13.39.12 # Aha. 13.39.44 # %>cs conditional UI viewports should do the trick. 13.39.50 # %?cs even 13.47.29 # hm, when I type "make dep" I see two lines (instead of one) saying "Generating dependencies" 13.48.18 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 13.54.54 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.59.26 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 14.05.42 Quit einhirn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.16.16 Quit anewuser (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14.18.46 # * TheSeven throws a rock at the fat cache 14.23.53 Quit Highlander (Quit: Quitte) 14.25.14 # TheSeven - is that because we're using the fat cache on nand targets? 14.25.28 # more because of the way it's implemented 14.25.36 # ah ok 14.25.47 # and because it has a fixed size for all targets 14.25.58 # is it necessary at all though, for flash targets? 14.26.13 # having 32 sectors of fat cache on a flash lowmem target seems to be waste 14.26.26 # a few sectors, yes, but not that much 14.26.49 # we at least need one sector to prevent it from re-reading the same fat sector between each cluster read 14.26.58 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.27.28 # hrm, for some reason I thought the ftl would do that caching 14.28.24 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@g224238054.adsl.alicedsl.de) 14.28.24 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 14.28.24 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 14.28.56 # nope 14.29.38 # and most of our flash targets don't even have a software ftl 14.30.08 Join stripwax_ [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 14.30.16 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.30.18 # [14:28] nope 14.30.18 # [14:29] and most of our flash targets don't even have a software ftl 14.30.34 # :-S 14.31.10 # S_a_i_n_t: I _think_ your issue from last night has to do with SBS rendering 14.31.38 # It looks like if you have an SBS and a WPS, and you haven't declared a Custom UI viewport in the SBS, the WPS won't render 14.31.54 # I'm going to try and fix up all the SBS rendering code later today 14.32.05 # bieber: Do you mean my issue with the backdrop? 14.32.14 # Yeah 14.32.25 # Hmm, yes...it's pretty weird. 14.32.40 Quit stripwax (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.32.53 # It is, but I shouldr have it fixed soon ;) 14.33.05 # ah right, of course. 14.33.11 Nick stripwax_ is now known as stripwax (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 14.33.59 # bieber: I'm still using 27700, so there's a lot of things I'm not certain if you've fixed or not ;) 14.34.12 # Oh, lol 14.34.17 # Any other issues in particular? 14.35.29 # Hmmmm. If you click "Open Project" or "New Project" or whatever, the editor appears to be in a hard lock, but its fine...it just doesn't appear to update until the mouse is moved. 14.35.34 # That's kinda weird. 14.35.57 # And I manage to crash the thing all the time moving viewports, but, I *think* you fixed that. 14.36.12 # Just not in a revision that I'm using. 14.37.22 # Yeah, moving viewports was very unstable up until a couple days ago 14.38.07 # Hmmmm....what else....I find it really annoying that it messes up my formatting, but, that's kinda a non-issue. Newlines after comments s kinda annoying also. 14.38.21 # this is all just very picky stuff though. 14.38.35 # %ax always getting its own line is a bit odd too. 14.38.53 # Newlines after comments are fixed, the rest of the formatting I'm afraid I can't really do anything about 14.39.31 # I always use it as "%ax%V(blah blah)%Vf(blah)%Vb(blah)" 14.41.02 # It still works fine of course, but I'm of the opinion that both %ax and the %Vf/b tags should be in the viewport declaration line. 14.41.45 # (unless you want to use %Vf/b conditionally...pretty sure you can do that) 14.42.34 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4CA99.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.45.11 Join byondo [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 14.45.57 # hello! 14.46.44 # kugel, are you here? 14.46.54 # yes 14.47.33 # firstly thank you for your great effort! 14.48.10 # irc webclient is sooooo laggy...) 14.48.47 # Ihave an Archos 5IT 14.49.01 # it mounts android 1.6 14.49.55 # bah! more Nano2G PANICing... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25450.msg170268#msg170268 14.50.23 Join patgodo [0] (~chatzilla@f053038083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 14.51.40 # I tried to install the apk you linked for soaa_ just for curiosity 14.51.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.52.18 # and guess what? it worked :) 14.52.30 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.52.33 # nice :) 14.53.52 # but it's a lower resolution than one's supported by the archos 14.55.08 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.58.26 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Archimedes@92.30.157.86) 14.58.31 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.58.44 # byondo: yes that's expected, we don't do multi screen resolution (yet) 14.59.16 Quit byondo (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 14.59.58 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 15.00.21 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.00.38 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Archimedes@92.30.157.86) 15.00.42 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.02.28 Join stripwax_ [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 15.02.50 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.02.58 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Archimedes@92.30.157.86) 15.03.15 Join byondo [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 15.04.00 # oh well...have to correct myself, it works "somewhat" 15.04.42 # some times reproduction doesn't start 15.05.20 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.05.32 Quit stripwax (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.06.15 # don't know why, but it's only a plain dirty try, so I don't expect too much :) 15.06.26 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 15.08.02 # byondo: "reproduction doesn't start"? 15.08.38 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 15.10.41 # you open an mp3 file, wps appears, but music doesn't start 15.10.51 Quit dfkt_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.11.20 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.15.34 # strange 15.15.44 Quit byondo (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 15.16.05 # i had a theme like that. didn't find out until i tested on OF, and moved my config. 15.16.31 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 15.16.36 # luckily just the one i made. now i gotta figure what in it made it do that. 15.17.04 # press play, music doesn't start 15.17.43 # only change there is is the status icon changes from stop to play/pause 15.20.32 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.22.51 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 15.27.33 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.31.32 # kugel: hey, where is the android specific code for loading codecs/plugins? 15.32.00 # codecs.c and io.c 15.32.36 # folder? 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17.06.21 Quit domonoky (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17.07.41 # TheSeven: multiple drives? 17.07.52 # oh, i forgot :) 17.08.29 # * TheSeven always wonders about things from an ipod's perspective :) 17.11.01 # * gevaerts steals TheSeven's collection of ipods 17.21.22 # i only have two of them! 17.24.35 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de) 17.25.30 Join Davide-NYC [0] (~chatzilla@69.86.166.244) 17.29.06 # I have a WebOS device. Is there any way for me to help with the RaaA project? I'm not a developer. 17.29.13 # gevaerts: I think I just managed to make Rockbox more usable on these HTC phones with bugged firmware 17.29.46 # kugel: Congratulation on getting sound working on Android! 17.30.53 # kugel: nice! 17.31.11 # gevaerts: I can't explain how, but I know run the pcm callback from a separate thread (it was previously called from the ui thread even though the docs say it's called from the thread which creates the AudioTrack object) 17.31.23 # I don't know if I'll be able to test it soon though, I won't be at the same site as the HTC owner most of next week 17.31.36 # and it appears the UI thread would be blocked for an activity if it's in the background but tries to get too much CPU 17.32.16 # which leads to playback "just stops" for no reason 17.32.32 # the separate thread makes it now recover even if it stutters sometimes 17.33.20 # That's probably the 5% limit kicking in I'd guess 17.33.25 # (my legend seems to have enough cpu to keep it playing at an acceptable level with this= 17.33.33 # sounds like a feature, not a bug :) 17.34.11 # try ape :P 17.34.17 # I'm bitter the docs are lying though 17.39.41 Quit xavieran (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17.44.07 Join CaptainKwel [0] (~jason@207-38-215-126.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.49.21 # Davide-NYC: I'm going to write up something which should help porting RaaA next week, if that's any help for you 17.49.40 # but it'll still need a developer to do it 17.50.28 # That is huge. Thank you. For what it's worth, I can compile code. I can apply patches and I can make trivial modifications to code. (trivial only) 17.50.46 # If that's of any help feel free to ask me for it. 17.51.14 # Testing and reporting is of course my pleasure. 17.52.34 Join xavieran [0] (~xavieran@ppp118-209-21-172.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 17.53.05 # New commit by 03kugel (r27753): Run the pcm callback from a separate OS thread, that seems to make audio playback ... 17.53.39 # Davide-NYC: I'm afraid that's not enough 17.54.39 # r27753 build result: All green 18.00.11 Join GeekShad0w [0] (~Antoine@80.118.78.224) 18.02.46 # * TheSeven wonders how many and what kind of worms would be in the preemptive multitasking can... not that i'd want to open it, just wondering... 18.03.03 # one is in the fat code for certain... 18.03.09 Quit GeekShadow (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.03.10 # Mainly locking, all over the place 18.03.19 # there are probably too many problems to list them 18.04.00 # I don't think there's a single line of code in rockbox that was written with the thought that it might be run under a preemptive scheduler 18.04.11 # i've seen dozens of places where locking wouldn't be needed for cooperative multitasking, but where it was done 18.04.47 # like ? 18.05.04 # hm, right, there are some of those. I don't know if they are correct though 18.05.17 # for example the fat cache 18.05.23 # * gevaerts thinks we shouldn't even consider preemptive multitasking as long as we have any other kind of stability issue 18.05.28 # and that one certainly isn't correct 18.06.06 # gevaerts: even worse, I think there are a couple dozen lines that are written under the assumption that they won't be interrupted without a yield call 18.06.14 # are you sure ? the storage code might yield and the fat reentered by another thread, except of the fat has a global lock, I can't remember 18.06.21 Join GeekSh4dow [0] (~Antoine@185.52.199-77.rev.gaoland.net) 18.06.39 # kugel: yes, definitely 18.06.53 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.07.20 # I'm especially thinking about the codec/audio/buffering mixture 18.08.42 Quit GeekShad0w (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.08.46 # so rockbox is running as a single thread scheduling its internal thread by itself on raaa to avoid that mess? 18.09.20 # yea, exactly 18.09.50 # on android, the whole app hosts 3-4 OS threads, 1 of them hosts all rockbox threads 18.10.21 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 18.10.21 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 18.10.21 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 18.11.17 # the simulator runs at least two threads anyway, one for input & display I think, and perhaps another one for storage 18.11.38 # IMO preemptive threads have no real advantage for rockbox as os, but the cooperative nature makes porting RaaA slightly more complicated 18.12.31 # Yes, but I'd say that changing it will be a lot more effort than the extra work needed for RaaA on all platforms we'll eventually support 18.13.05 # the sdl port shows how to do it even if preemptive os threads are the only possiblity 18.13.43 # and each port should be able to use pth just fine 18.13.55 # the good thing is that you can always simulate cooperative threading with preemptive one 18.21.16 Part lmjubuntu 18.32.16 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.32.22 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Dreamxtrem@92.30.157.86) 18.32.58 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.34.04 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Archimedes@92.30.157.86) 18.40.12 # * TheSeven wonders why the rockbox fat code is hardwired to a maximum of 2 fats 18.41.23 # (in flush_fat_sector) 18.44.08 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.44.10 # New commit by 03kugel (r27754): A bit of cleanup. ... 18.44.50 Join nesto1000 [0] (~nesto1000@adsl-75-40-39-101.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 18.45.26 # Hi... anyone there? xD 18.45.47 # r27754 build result: All green 18.46.37 # Do any of you guys think that it would be possible to install rockbox on an itouch sometime in the future? 18.52.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.52.23 # Probably never natively (the way it's done on a regular ipod), because that would lose too much functionality 18.53.12 # Maybe as an application, but that would require a jailbroken device (we suspect that Apple will *never* allow rockbox on the app store), and of course someone to do the actual porting work 18.54.08 # ...and rockbox would *never* sign that hilarious iphone developer agreement :P 18.55.26 # Right, our license is somewhat incompatible with that 18.57.42 # gevaerts: I can now run top in a terminal emulator on the device while rockbox plays :) and it shows 13%-18% 18.57.45 # cpu usage 18.57.57 # I'm wondering why it's so high, it was lower :\ 18.58.18 Join Kitar|st [0] (Kitarist@BSN-143-106-134.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 18.58.24 # Does the thing adjust CPU frequency? 18.58.41 # quite possibly 18.59.23 # In that case, the CPU usage on its own doesn't say much 18.59.56 # TheSeven: it hardwires it to 2 because nobody has ever see a FAT filesystem with more than 2 FATS 19.00.19 # *seen 19.01.12 Quit Kitr88 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19.01.19 # in the fat doc from microsoft: 19.01.23 # The count of FAT data structures on the volume. This field should always contain the value 2 for any FAT volume of any type 19.04.34 # Dam... O well... 19.05.01 # Guess I'll just go jail break it if i can... :/ 19.05.34 # gevaerts: ah I see, being attached to usb apparently disables frequency scaling 19.05.52 # hooking it up to adb shell and top shows a lower value 19.06.26 # * kugel just got a call, his recent change works nicely :> 19.20.44 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.21.05 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.21.19 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 19.26.52 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Archimedes@92.30.136.247) 19.28.58 Join guymann_ [0] (~charlie@69.0.82.35) 19.29.16 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 19.29.21 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19.32.31 Join Chronon [0] (~chronon@c-24-20-224-187.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 19.34.25 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@chello087206240131.chello.pl) 19.34.41 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19.34.53 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Dreamxtrem@92.30.136.247) 19.34.54 # do we need I2C driver in bootloader on coldfires? 19.36.21 # as well as sound.c ? 19.40.28 # I guess we don't but I'm not very familiar with the coldfire targets 19.41.49 # IIRC, some coldfire bootloaders haven't been tested for a long time 19.42.17 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 19.42.58 # I know 19.43.27 # and bootloader for H300 from svn is broken IFAIK 19.44.24 # I can't exactly remember the outcome of the discussion we had about this at devcon 19.46.03 Join oschene [0] (83e596e4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.229.150.228) 19.48.28 Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 19.51.17 Quit oschene (Quit: Page closed) 19.53.48 Quit anewuser (Quit: FAMICOMPO 7 - August 15 Through August 31 JST - http://midr2.under.jp/compo/vol7/index.html) 20.00.50 Join Mr_Sensitive [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.136.247) 20.00.56 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.03.32 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 20.15.42 # Am I correct that in order to move MPIO HD200 to unstable on frontpage I have to pull www from svn and than commit modification in index.t? 20.15.43 Quit Mr_Sensitive (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.15.49 Join Mr_Sensitive [0] (Dreamxtrem@92.30.136.247) 20.16.16 # There's another bit in www somewhere 20.16.17 # * gevaerts looks 20.17.36 # wodz: in the main repository, tools/builds.pm 20.17.53 # I suspect you want status 2, but that's really just an educated guess 20.18.06 # ok thx 20.18.58 # New commit by 03wodz (r27755): www - move MPIO HD200 to unstable 20.19.23 # may I ask to update webpage? 20.19.38 # That's Zagor's or Bagder's job 20.19.41 Quit markun (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.21.47 Quit nesto1000 (Quit: Leaving) 20.21.48 Join markun [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 20.22.46 # New commit by 03wodz (r27756): Mark MPIO HD200 as unstable in tools/builds.pm 20.23.08 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.24.26 # r27756 build result: All green 20.30.27 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4C091.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.31.06 Quit stripwax_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.35.39 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 20.41.20 # New commit by 03wodz (r27757): HD200 - Use DMA transfers in lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect(). Gives 12-26% speedup. 20.42.57 # r27757 build result: All green 20.47.53 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 20.49.15 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 20.49.42 Quit jordan` (Client Quit) 20.49.47 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 20.52.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.55.53 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 20.56.21 Join Temik|2 [0] (~kvirc@83.149.21.160) 21.03.43 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 21.04.47 # * TheSeven glares at the DEBUGFs in update_fsinfo() 21.23.33 Join temik_ [0] (~temik@83.149.21.160) 21.24.27 Quit Temik|2 (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 21.24.49 Quit temik_ (Client Quit) 21.25.06 Join temik_ [0] (~temik@83.149.21.160) 21.26.47 Nick temik_ is now known as change (~temik@83.149.21.160) 21.28.47 Quit change (Client Quit) 21.29.06 Join Temik_ [0] (~temik@83.149.21.160) 21.32.17 Join patgodo [0] (~chatzilla@f053038083.adsl.alicedsl.de) 21.36.34 Nick guymann_ is now known as guymann (~charlie@69.0.82.35) 21.36.43 Part patgodo 21.37.05 Quit Davide-NYC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 21.43.01 Quit Temik_ (Quit: Lost terminal) 21.43.50 # anyone recall anything changing with db recently? I get a data abort upon committing database. only way out seems to be deleteing the database again via usb. 21.44.15 # in this "no database" state, I seem to be able to initialise the database; only to get the data abort again when it tries to commit it. 21.44.40 # would my database_tmp.tcd be useful for debugging anything? 21.46.31 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@p4FDE9C88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.47.51 # wondering if i can just stick the files onto pc and run the sim .. 21.51.33 # it should work (IIRC the reverse procedure was used on ams v2 when there was no sd writing support) 21.52.50 # who is our 'art master'? 21.58.43 # stripwax, there was a bug fix recently in the database related to "recently added" entries 21.59.17 # but I guess you could just check the svn log of tagtree.c to get the full picture 21.59.38 Join JennaKitten [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 21.59.56 # Hey, how can I stop an ipod with rockbox from entering disk mode? it wont let me use the USB HID feature 22.00.23 # tagcache.c I mean 22.01.01 # JennaKitten : - hold down the menu key on ipod while connecting to your pc 22.01.21 # Really? Its that simple? Cool Im gonna go try it 22.01.40 # that won't give you HID mode though 22.01.41 # yes, and I think it's described in The Manual 22.02.02 # pixelma - no, but it will stop it from entering disk mode. and from there you can then turn on HID mode 22.02.18 # how? 22.03.02 # JennaKitten: which build do you run exactly? 22.03.20 # which version 22.03.36 # I dont know, but allthat did was make it normal ipod mode 22.03.40 # how do I turn an ipod off? 22.04.20 # JennaKitten: I don't want to sound rude but did You read the manual? 22.04.23 # yup 22.04.56 # there we go, i figured out how to turn it off 22.05.07 # holding menu didnt work 22.05.14 # oohh it did now! 22.05.18 # nope..it didnt 22.05.28 # JennaKitten - is rockbox actually running on your ipod? I meant to run rockbox first, on your ipod. and THEN hold menu and while menu is held down plug it into your pc 22.05.40 # okay ill try that now again 22.05.45 # how long do I hold it? 22.05.58 # until the pc recognises the device is attached 22.06.11 # you should also see a tiny little 'plug' icon on the rockbox statusbar on your ipod 22.06.17 # top left, if you have the default theme 22.06.28 Quit bieber (Remote host closed the connection) 22.06.39 # its looking for a driveer 22.07.07 # click cancel, you should be fine 22.07.22 # New commit by 03wodz (r27758): fix warrnings in test_core_jpeg.c and test_mem_jpeg.c 22.07.24 # ok its plugged in but how do i get the hid part to work 22.07.38 # JennaKitten - isn't that in The Manual? 22.07.46 # It only works when its in usb mode 22.08.04 # stripwax: I wouldn't know how to get to HID with Rockbox not in the USB screen... 22.08.21 Join slck [0] (Venci@Venci-Notebook-LAN.ipv6.6bez10.info) 22.08.57 # there is/was a remote plugin but hasn't been maintained since the early beginnings of the HID driver 22.09.05 # r27758 build result: All green 22.09.14 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 22.09.45 # the plugin orks 22.09.49 # but its not the same 22.09.50 # works* 22.10.07 # pixelma - I thought Settings -> USB HID would do it? 22.10.15 # nope :( 22.10.44 # ah so HID only works when rockbox is in usb disk mode? 22.10.49 # Yes 22.11.02 # HID works during a normal MSC connection, if it's enabled in the settings. "Charging only" mode enumerates as HID for technical reasons, but it never sends any HID events 22.11.09 # I have right now a nano 1st gen, but in the mail is a 4th gen classic monochrome and that should be here soon 22.11.15 # stripwax: no, that's for turning HID support off because some OSs didn't like USB composite devices which Rockbox is with HID and refuse to even establish a data connection 22.11.15 # gevaerts - oh! :-( 22.12.16 # JennaKitten - in that case, it seems like HID only works if you're also in disk mode. Why, out of interest, do you want to required rockbox to not be in disk mode for using HID? 22.12.29 # Because it uses the apple disk mode and doesnt work 22.12.43 # JennaKitten: if it is rebooting to disk mode on plug in while Rockbox is running, then you probably use a release build which had Rockbox USB turned off on the Ipods because of charging problems 22.12.44 # where everything is all black and white and stuff? 22.12.55 # JennaKitten - ehhhh no, I mean rockbox disk mode ..! 22.13.02 # plug it in WITHOUT the menu key :) 22.13.04 # yeah it doesnt enter that ever 22.13.15 # it enters apple's emergency disk mode 22.13.19 # rockbox is running first, and THEN plug it into your pc 22.13.29 # same as what you just did except DON'T press menu key 22.13.36 # I know thats what I always do 22.13.39 # JennaKitten: run a current build. The 3.6 release still reboots to the Apple disk mode 22.13.49 # I installe it like a week ago :O 22.13.52 # JennaKitten - and then turn on HID 22.14.09 # Yes, but you probably installed the latest *release* 22.14.29 # JennaKitten - 3.6 is a month or so old. we have current releases daily/even more often 22.14.37 # Oh wow! 22.14.37 # i mean current builds. 22.14.55 # do I still use the rockbox utility? 22.14.57 # Have a look at System -> rockbox info. That should tell you which specific version you're running 22.15.04 # JennaKitten yep 22.15.10 # JennaKitten: what does main menu > System > Rockbox Info tell you in the "Version" part? 22.15.24 # JennaKitten - but before you install a different version; can you see if what I suggested works? 22.15.32 # What did you suggest 22.15.55 # as I understand it, you *want* to use HID, right? so boot into rockbox on your ipod, then plug it into your pc, then turn on HID on your ipod 22.16.06 # oh wait 22.16.15 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 22.16.25 # ignore me, install a current build. 22.16.26 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.16.28 # stripwax: if this is 3.6, that won't work 22.16.30 # Im doing that now 22.16.31 # sorry, I'm an idiot. 22.16.38 # I have everything up and running to display nice animation for charging and usb screen in HD200 bootloader. The only missing part are battery icons itself. This which I created look 'suboptimal' :-) 22.16.54 # You all should make it so you can easily customize the splash screen 22.16.54 # I misunderstood - thought the release/current thing was about plugging in usb while powered off; 22.17.09 # JennaKitten - it's really easy - just recompile! 22.17.15 # no, that would be a bootloader thing ;) 22.17.25 # Yeah....Im not that good 22.17.57 # Rockbox Utility tells you how to install a current build if you install via the Quick Start tab 22.18.04 # Im doing it manually already 22.18.06 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@g227191006.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.18.18 # I am looking for more skilled person with art stuff 22.18.27 # maybe we should remove that hint again ... :o 22.20.35 # another idea, someone should make an ipod style theme exactly like the real ipod theme 22.20.57 # * TheSeven wonders in which file the endianness macros (htole32 etc.) are defined 22.20.59 # (a) why? and (b) I think someone is working on one 22.21.12 # Just because it looks nice and the font is big and nice 22.21.20 # Most of the themes are so cluttered 22.21.30 # JennaKitten - there are several I think (or at least there were; recent wps changes probably make the old ones unloadable) 22.21.40 # okay i installed the latest build 22.21.41 # now what? 22.21.59 # disconnect; turn on rockbox; plug into pc 22.22.07 # it worked 22.23.30 # thanks a lot :D 22.23.39 # So do I do the same thing with the ipod im getting in the mail? 22.23.53 # should work fine 22.24.14 # obviously select a different build from rockbox utility .. the ipod 4g build .. 22.24.19 # you can install a current build with the Rockbox Utility as well on first install 22.24.40 # Okay cool. 22.25.21 # Does the line out on the dock still work? I dont want to spend 30 bucks on a custom cable and not have it work 22.25.22 # isn't the theme which mimics apple called iLike? 22.25.57 # urgh, system.h 22.26.22 # JennaKitten - it should work (you can enable/disable it easily from the rockbox Settings menu) 22.26.46 # TheSeven - could be worse ? 22.26.59 # okay cool. what about the apple remote? does that work? 22.26.59 # i wouldn't have searched there... 22.27.24 # JennaKitten - check the compatibility chart on the wiki 22.27.40 # Ooooh they have one of those? 22.28.12 # (it should work fine but check anyway) 22.28.45 # umh...where is the chart? 22.30.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodAccessories 22.30.44 # 'they', by the way, is more sort-of 'us'.. 22.31.49 # what does the "needs to be retested" mean 22.33.14 Join h3po1 [0] (~h3po@p4FDE8A41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.33.31 Quit Mr_Sensitive (Quit: Going!) 22.33.32 # it means it hasn't been checked since a number of improvements were made to rockbox. if it worked before, it will (should) still work fine. if it didn't work previously, it may work now, but hasn't necessarily been tested by anyone who has one. 22.34.18 # Well apple designed the radio remote only to work on the nano and video...does that mean even with rockbox it still only works with those two? 22.34.45 # JennaKitten: i'm not one of 'them' but i can say you're driving these poor guys crazy ^^ - they spend hours to put together these wiki pages and people don't care to read everything before asking 22.34.53 # the ipod radio remote apparently worked fine in Dec 2009, on an ipod video. i don't know anything about it well enough to know whether it works on other ipods 22.35.05 # hm....I wont risk it then 22.35.12 # it "might work fine" 22.35.20 # but without anybody testing it, we will never know ... 22.35.22 # :( 22.35.28 # hmm....I shall test it... 22.35.37 Quit h3po (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.36.56 # Oh my...ebay doesnt have much of them :O 22.37.11 # * stripwax thinks the ipod radio remote line should NOT be in the 'needs to be retested' section, given that the section applies to a code change in 2008.. 22.39.57 # this is cool because the nano battery is shot so now it can live on as a remote... 22.43.50 # Ha! I figured out why MPIO isn't recognized on usb insertion from time to time. It is not enumerated correctly when battery is low (even if AC power is present). 22.47.06 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.33) 22.47.48 # bah. i copied my database*.tcd files to ipod simulator, and it worked fine. just seems to choke on-target. 22.48.49 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@p4FDE81E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.50.00 # stripwax: Have You checked filesystem on the device? I had wide spectrum of unusual effects with corrupted filesystem 22.50.28 # wodz - mm, no, I haven't actually. good point.. 22.50.59 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 22.51.27 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.161) 22.51.52 Quit h3po1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.52.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.57.01 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r27759): Support running NSIS from deployment script. ... 22.58.44 # r27759 build result: All green 23.00.10 # wodz - apparently no filesystem problems. i'm baffled. 23.00.50 # stripwax, maybe toggling dircache make a difference (just guessing) 23.02.30 Quit JennaKitten (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 23.04.10 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23.04.19 Join h3po1 [0] (~h3po@p4FDEA4E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.06.49 Quit h3po (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.13.07 # bertrik - seems to be ok in sim with/without dircache. 23.13.56 Quit ender` (Quit: If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat. -- Mark Twain) 23.15.04 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 23.20.16 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@p4FDE898F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.21.33 # and doesn't seem to make a difference on target (crashes with/without dircache) 23.21.47 # data abort at 0004dxxx where xxx are some digits I've forgotten 23.22.25 Quit h3po1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.22.33 Quit h3po (Client Quit) 23.27.01 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 23.31.55 Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org) 23.32.09 Join stooo [0] (~sto@e176225038.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.34.52 Quit stooo (Client Quit) 23.35.09 Part domonoky1 23.37.00 Join angelwolf71885 [0] (chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com) 23.37.53 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.49.06 Quit AndyI (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.55.05 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.55.07 Join vf04 [0] (~jakob@dslb-084-056-151-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.55.20 Join AndyI [0] (~pasha_int@212.14.205.32)