--- Log for 09.08.110 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 17 hours ago 00.03.21 Join storm` [0] (~lol@ip98-179-182-180.ri.ri.cox.net) 00.07.09 Quit milz (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.07.56 Join milz [0] (~kyle@d142-59-221-98.abhsia.telus.net) 00.13.35 Quit angelwolf71885 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 00.19.04 Quit sasquatch (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.20.39 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 00.22.25 # hallo, I am currently looking for a portable mp3 player which is supported by Rockbox, with at least 40gb of memory and where I can use linux for installation of Rockbox. As I need the accessibility feature I dont want to depend on a touchpad or stuff like this when using the machine. The Iriver H340 would fit to my needs, but is obviously outdated and not available any more. Can sb. give me a recommendation? 00.25.32 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.160) 00.28.08 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.29.06 # i think every HDD player supported by rockbox is outdated. but you could get a sansa clip or fuze, and use it with a large sdhc card 00.31.01 # *clip+ 00.33.55 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FC6273F.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.49.42 # where exactly in the menus was the option to recalculate the free space on the partition? 00.49.52 # it's off by 1.2GB on my ipod right now 00.52.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.41 # apps/menus/main_menu.c 00.52.55 # in the rockbox info screen 00.53.55 # ah, i thought it was in the debug menu... 00.54.39 Join MagusG [0] (~no@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 00.55.05 # * TheSeven just discovered that it wasn't a corrupted fsinfo sector 00.55.21 # it was windows throwing 1.2GiB of "System Volume Information" garbage on it! 00.55.31 # ok thx 00.58.49 # hm, my ipod makes chkdsk crash :P 01.01.05 # and rockbox usb is too unstable to copy a few gigabytes of music 01.06.35 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 01.09.15 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.13.03 Quit dfkt_ (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.) 01.13.43 # vf04: the gigabeat S is a pretty nice hdd player available with a 60GB drive 01.22.42 Quit Chronon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.26.58 # @n1s: thx, but same prob...where to get it today? 01.28.42 Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.30.35 # vf04, the only players you could walk into a store and buy right now are pretty much just a few sansa devices, as was suggested earlier 01.31.56 # ah, if you want only new players the selection is small 01.33.16 Part drhodes 01.34.40 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 01.35.47 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.36.14 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 01.36.49 # TheSeven: You really have such problems with RB USB? 01.37.12 # I find it a tad slower than the OF, but nowhere near as horrible to use as it was... 01.37.32 # ie. I never have any problems filling a full 4GB disk. 01.39.10 # (errr...on iPod, I should say...not in general) 01.44.05 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-235-198-90.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 01.57.50 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 01.57.51 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 01.57.51 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.03.52 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 02.14.18 Quit Battousai (Read error: Operation timed out) 02.17.23 Quit ved (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.17.40 Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 02.18.15 Join ved [0] (ved@ddsbox.co.cc) 02.24.10 Join bunnyboi [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.52.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.31 Join illmortal [0] (~Administr@208.65.217.26) 03.04.56 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (Dreamxtrem@92.30.29.18) 03.05.04 # does anyone know if it's possible to attach an external HDD to the Toshiba Gigabeat F10 MP3 player? 03.09.39 # How much RAM does the Fuze have? 03.09.41 # Anyone? 03.12.16 # 8 i tihnk 03.12.56 # Yes, I was thinking that SpawnHyuuga's "If I had to guess, I'd say 16 or 32" was wildly inaccurate. 03.13.18 # wild speculation on a forum really does no good. 03.14.33 # I thought it was 8MB myself, but I haven't managed to confirm that as yet. 03.15.46 # someone needs to update DeviceChart probably 03.17.37 # funny that the e200 1's have 32, and the 2's have 2... 03.17.52 # illmortal, well, you could have a 1.8" drive hanging out the back, but you couldn't plug in, say, a hard drive in an enclosure that attaches via usb 03.18.03 # they proabbly realised they dont need to much ram in them 03.18.09 # they are supposed to be cheapies 03.18.40 # I saw somewhere that the Fuze V2's only have 400Kb, but that didn't sound right at all to me. 03.18.59 # Could be though, I'm having some problems wit teh googles 03.19.40 # ya im tryin to find some 1.8 hdd to replace my 10gb hdd 03.19.57 # otherwise im gonna have to buy a new mp3 player... something with a crap load more space. 03.22.53 Quit MagusG (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.23.13 Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 03.29.29 # It (the Fuze) appears to use the ESMT M12L64164A-7T which from what I can see is 1MB X 16 Bit X 4 03.29.44 Join z35 [0] (~z35@ool-457a4517.dyn.optonline.net) 03.31.20 Quit z35 (Client Quit) 03.31.54 Join z35 [0] (~z35@ool-457a4517.dyn.optonline.net) 03.32.30 # illmortal, there's a whole wiki page explaining exactly what you want! 03.32.48 Join Chronon [0] (~chronon@c-67-171-217-43.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 03.32.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement 03.33.08 # thanks krazy! 03.33.33 # note that on the f10, you either need a 5mm drive or the back from an F40 or F60 03.34.05 # yep 03.34.42 # honestly, if i could attach a 1tb external drive to it and have it hidden inside my center console in my vehicle... lol i'd do it. 03.34.49 # * krazykit is disappointed that the touchpad on his f40 seems to too far gone 03.35.03 # well, you could kind of do that 03.35.23 # you could get a ZIF adapter and a big ZIF drive and just not have the back on it 03.35.35 # lol that's really what I'm trying to do... I don't care about it being in a case or not.. it's gonna stay in my vehicle about 95% of the time lol 03.35.58 # a big zif drive+duct tape ;) 03.36.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ZIFToATAAdapter would be of interest in that case 03.36.38 # (i had good luck with a 120gb drive in my f40) 03.38.05 # hmmm wonder if there's zif to sata 03.38.20 # brb 03.40.31 # just so you know, ZIF CE and the ZIF->ATA adapter wouldn't be compatible 03.45.23 # also Rock Box works on iPod, right? Like an iPod Classic? (Not interested in iTunes, MP3, WMV, WAV only 03.47.07 Join webguest20 [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 03.47.15 Quit webguest20 (Client Quit) 03.47.47 # illmortal: Not the classic, no. 03.47.53 # fml 03.48.33 # iPods up to 5.5G, and the Nanos up to 2G 03.49.01 # lol i need an mp3 player with a large hdd... and I even tried researching using an HDD with a HDD media player, but only works for T.V.s not for stereo systems apparently 03.49.36 # get an iPod Video and replace the HDD, can get up to 240GB IIUC 03.50.07 Join romeomotta [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 03.51.14 Join romeomotta7 [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 03.51.14 Quit romeomotta (Client Quit) 03.54.03 Quit romeomotta7 (Client Quit) 03.57.30 Quit S_a_i_n_t () 03.58.13 Join romeomotta7 [0] (~romeomott@adsl-218-249-154.jax.bellsouth.net) 03.58.46 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 04.00.54 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 04.01.23 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.3.114) 04.01.27 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.01.29 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.33 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.01.35 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.01.44 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.54 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.05.33 # hello 04.05.42 # i wonder if this works? 04.06.37 # guess not 04.07.42 # hello i would like to ask a question about the sansa clip v2 port of rockbox . For some reason on my sansa the doom plugin has extremely bad graphics to the point it is not even viewable/playable im wondering if this has happened with all the sansa clip players i am only 13 and ive manually installed rockbox im wondering if i have made a problem? 04.08.23 # Doom looking awful on the Clip(s) is to be expected. 04.08.31 # No problem there...more of a novelty 04.08.33 Quit bunnyboi (Quit: Ex-Chat) 04.08.40 # romeomotta7: that is normal for the clip due to the type of display 04.08.53 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 04.09.20 # oh okay thank you very much one more question while this works 04.11.55 # since gameboy has a 16 bit display ( i think lol) will there be any chance to port rockboy onto the clip like you guys did with the other plugins, also some plugins dont work like zxbox and the infocom emulator 04.12.33 # romeomotta7, the problem is that greyscale just doesn't work well on the clip screens. if you want these plugins, get something with a better screen 04.12.43 Quit MethoS- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.13.23 # I'm not very well informed on the subject, but something about these dircache stats seem off to me. 04.13.41 # Cache size: 1,504,796 B 04.13.49 # Scanning took 15 seconds 04.13.52 # totally lost 04.13.59 # Entry Count: 22542 04.14.36 # For that many entries, I would think it'd have taken longer. 04.15.43 # IS DirCache Loaded to RAM? 04.15.46 # *Is 04.16.02 # AFAIK, yes. 04.16.35 # With the Database, you get the option of loading to RAM on bootup, or just reading from disk on demand. 04.16.40 # Doesn't seem a ridiculous number to me then. 04.17.31 # * Strife89 attempts to recompile the database now. 04.17.34 Part vf04 04.17.52 # I rarely use it, but the Search function is handy. 04.18.14 # Scanning always reports taking 0s on my Flash targets ;) 04.18.41 # I'd like a flash target .... with a big disk. 04.18.52 # 64 GB CF, anyone? 04.19.25 # (Not a flash TARGET, but hey.) 04.19.49 # Scanning went VERY slowly in one folder. 04.20.10 # im very sorry guys one more question and i will be gone . i think maybe only developers may only be able to answer this. will there ever be a chance that rockbox will be available as a lower end version like for s1 mp3 players or even being able to make a sound only rockbox for something like the ipod shuffle line without screens , im srry im a big fan of putting more use to my electronics 04.20.11 # Might be my cue to chkdsk/fsck. 04.21.01 # The iAudio M3 has no display, right? Rockbox runs on that. 04.21.22 # So the "no screen" bit is taken care of. 04.21.27 # WTF!?!?! the Video SIM gives *NO* debug output :/ 04.21.28 # Strife89, it has a remote with a display 04.21.36 # Ah. 04.21.56 # S_a_i_n_t: None whatsoever? 04.21.59 # .... Fuck. 04.22.08 # romeomotta7, it's technically possible, if someone does the hard work of porting it. rockbox has accessability for voicing menus and tracks, so that wouldn't be an issue 04.22.14 # None, at all. 04.22.27 # How on earth do we find out what's wrong with your theme, then? :/ 04.23.12 # I guess asking it is out of the question ;) 04.23.55 Quit milz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.23.55 # Trial and error ... ugh. 04.24.18 # That one theme I ported .... took an ETERNITY with trial-and-error. 04.24.23 # 04.25.43 # i know the s1 mp3 player already has an alternative firmware project going on called SWAN API 04.25.57 # but i think theyve been taking along time 04.26.02 Join binaryhermit [0] (~binaryher@adsl-75-57-197-213.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 04.27.53 # yah they havent worked on it since december 04 04.28.19 # S_a_i_n_t: what debug output do you need? 04.28.35 # JdGordon|: Skin Parsing stuff 04.28.58 # The themeeditor says all OK, but it doesn't load in device or SIM 04.29.31 # The WPS, specifically. 04.29.41 # loading custom fonts? 04.29.47 # AFAICT, everything else is working properly. 04.29.48 # Yeah. 04.29.53 # JdGordon|: have you seen FS#11524 04.29.56 # ? 04.30.16 # yes, couldnt reproduce here 04.30.42 # oh yah if rockbox ever needs a donation of my parents money ill be a able to help out lol 04.31.13 # bye 04.31.15 Part romeomotta7 04.31.44 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.31.48 # JdGordon|: I tested the theme on-device for S_a_i_n_t; I'm using r27759. 04.32.03 # the themeeditor needs to not let a document parse if there is an %xd that is not %xl'd 04.32.17 # yeah, skin load failures really need some love 04.32.22 # its been driving me mad lately 04.32.43 # "this document parses correctly" shouldn't be an outright lie ;) 04.32.45 # S_a_i_n_t: tell bieber then :) 04.33.00 # Oh, I will...believe me :P 04.33.02 # * Strife89 has been blissfully using an Artbox Widgets variant with no signs of problems up to now. :P 04.33.27 # Once the database finishes (or crashes D:), I'll test again. 04.35.04 Part Strife89 ("Leaving") 04.35.21 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 04.35.58 # UFCK!! Data Abort at 0004DCA8 (0). 04.36.08 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.36.27 # Fortunately I saw what main directory it was in, but still .... 04.36.29 # FUCK. 04.36.50 # s/FUCK/*twiddle-dee-dee*/ 04.36.56 # DOUBLE FUCK. Reboot, comitting an incomplete database. 04.37.34 # Should have booted to disk mode. >.< 04.38.04 # S_a_i_n_t: well it DOES parse correctly 04.43.25 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.36) 04.45.29 Quit binaryhermit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 04.50.02 Quit S_a_i_n_t () 04.50.03 Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.50.28 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-235-213-223.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 04.51.37 Join binaryhermit [0] (~binaryher@adsl-75-57-197-213.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 04.52.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.54.02 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.54.42 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.4.40) 04.58.24 Join Barahir_ [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f7950.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.59.00 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@p579EAE12.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.59.08 Quit pixelma_ (Changing host) 04.59.08 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.08 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.59.13 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.59.14 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.16 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.59.35 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.01.44 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05.06.30 Join saratoga_ [0] (9803c20d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.194.13) 05.09.46 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 05.14.34 Join angelwolf71885 [0] (chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com) 05.20.03 Part illmortal 05.23.54 Quit angelwolf71885 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 06.01.00 Quit GeekSh4dow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.04.28 # from -commuinty... if we added the ability to make the line selector highlight the whole line (up to the viewport edge) would that make sense with the "line selector" options? 06.04.37 # or as part of the skin, in the %Vi() viewport 06.05.24 # hang on.. wtf? 06.05.46 # S_a_i_n_t: im confused... the selector does go to the viewport edge 06.06.30 # yeah, I meant if I used the UI viewport to bring the menu away from the edge...then the line selector would fall short of the screen dimensions. 06.06.39 # perhaps I could have been more clear 06.07.07 # If I read that right, I think S_a_i_n_t wants to do the OPPOSITE. 06.07.27 # you want to only hight the aqctual text? 06.07.33 # No. 06.07.48 # imagebin me what you want :) 06.08.10 # Um, 06.08.20 # let us make something. XD 06.09.21 # Hmmm, the UI viewport isn't necessarily the same dimensions as the screen...right? the menu gets aligned hard left of the screen. If I use the UI viewport to bring the menu in to the right a few px, then the line selector will be in the boundaries of the UI viewport 06.09.46 # which is expected behaviour...but kinda looks weird if it falls short of the screen width 06.10.38 # that conversation is kinda irrelevant...a line height param for the UI viewport declaration would be pure awesome though 06.11.51 # there was a line eight patch ages ago which didnt go in for some reason 06.12.32 # something like "if X param is present ignore the font line height and draw each line at a height of X centering the font inside the line" 06.13.05 # provided X is greater than the font height of course 06.13.27 # you and you're constraints! 06.13.34 # of fucking hell 06.13.37 # oh 06.13.39 # fucking 06.13.41 # HELL! 06.14.46 # Huh? How would it work if the line height was lesser than the font height? 06.14.51 # * S_a_i_n_t is confuzzled 06.21.13 # depedns what effect you were going for 06.21.19 # but yes, I was being sarcastic 06.21.55 # and I'd do it as a general skin viewport thing, settable like colours 06.22.48 # maybe an option param, although I'm a bit wary of adding them 06.23.26 # I don't see the point in forcing it, just leave it as "-" if you want the font to control the line height 06.23.39 # optional* 06.24.37 # Worth lookin ginto, but, not really a big deal. 06.24.58 # Unless it could be added with relative ease, I wouldn't bother. 06.25.32 # in the screens onther than the menu the same effect can be achieved by using multiple viewports 06.25.45 # (as I did in the iLike Video WPS) 06.26.56 # I would be surprised if it was anything more than "check viewport line height" instead of "check viewport font hieght" in the lcd drivers 06.31.37 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 06.52.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.06.56 Quit r0b- (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 07.09.08 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Bed.) 07.24.35 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.27.28 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.40.21 Quit parafin (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 07.48.20 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Changing server...) 07.51.53 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 07.53.39 Quit simonrvn (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.55.51 # S_a_i_n_t: Hey, that's not a parse error, it's a semantic error :P 07.56.04 # Point taken though, I'll add an "Image missing" image to alert you to that sort of thing 07.57.47 # ditto for %Vd/%VD 07.58.11 # and viewport font numbers also 07.58.13 # Wait, what's %VD? 07.58.33 # conditionals sets the ui viewport 07.58.37 # contitionaly* 07.58.51 # I thought that was VI? 07.59.10 # oh ok then :) 07.59.16 # whatever it is 07.59.50 Quit binaryhermit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.02.27 Quit CaptainKwel (Quit: Ex-Chat) 08.05.21 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@210.185-ppp.3menatwork.com) 08.08.35 Quit saratoga_ (Quit: Page closed) 08.10.14 Join lammot [0] (73f88294@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.248.130.148) 08.10.45 # can rockbox be installed on an 5th gen ipod nano a1320? 08.10.56 # no 08.12.07 # will it be implemented anytime soon? 08.14.53 # unlikely 08.19.32 # bieber: It really shoulderror if an image is %xd'd but not %xl'd, and give you some sort of friendly reminder if an image is %xl'd but not %xd'd. 08.19.56 Join milz [0] (~kyle@S0106002500fe5b38.cg.shawcable.net) 08.19.59 # As the latter isn't really a problem, and won't effect loading the theme, it will just waste skin buffer 08.20.50 # s/shoulderror/should error/ 08.21.46 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.22.41 # Ah, yes...and as JdGordon| mentioned it needs to error ifa font identifier is called in a viewport line, but has no %Fl 08.23.49 # ie. %V(x,y,x,y,2) without the corresponding %Fl(2,blah.fnt) 08.23.51 # I posted a new patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11522 that adds proper support for dbLife configurations (by David Bell) to rocklife. 08.24.50 # * S_a_i_n_t wonders what rocklife actually does... 08.25.01 # its the game of life 08.25.05 # I've had a bit of a play with it, but, I don't really get it. 08.25.08 # NOT the crappy board game :) 08.25.20 # I should say _partial_ support. Full support needs to allow parameter reading to allow different rule sets. 08.25.29 # Not really a game, though, is it? 08.25.40 # There doesn't seem to be any user input 08.25.46 # Not really. It's a cellular automaton 08.25.57 # S_a_i_n_t: You input the starting configuration 08.26.04 # *Phew* ;) 08.26.11 # I thought I was missing something 08.26.55 # bieber: Well, yeah...there is that. 08.27.10 # it is no more (or less) pointless than rockblox1d, robotfindskitten or doom 08.27.49 # I have to admit I have loaded it up a few times and watched it run for a pretty disturbing period of time. 08.28.04 # And robotfindskitten is AWESOME! 08.28.20 # S_a_i_n_t: You can find some pretty extensive libraries of interesting starting configurations if you look around. 08.28.25 # * S_a_i_n_t forbids anyone to flame robotfindskitten! 08.28.38 # or else WHAT?! 08.28.42 # or Doom for that matter 08.29.37 # I'll climb into an envelope, post myself, then jump out of your mailbox and boot you in the bum. 08.30.05 # The ones in this archive should work with my patch: http://canb.auug.org.au/~dbell/archive/c3.tar.gz 08.30.30 # * JdGordon| wishes we had an easier barrier for inclusion for plugin patches 08.31.44 # bieber: and yeah, if the editor could do the equivilant of gcc's "warning: unused variable" it would be very nice 08.31.58 # Okay 08.32.06 # low priority of course 08.32.16 # I'm thinking I'll add an errors/warning "window" to the top of the skin preview 08.32.34 # That way the renderer can just call an addError function as it goes along 08.32.46 # can you give me a rough idea where to implement the changes to the %xd tag? 08.32.55 # Changes? 08.33.20 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=27717 08.33.32 # models/parsetreenode.h/cpp has the execTag function, which is probably where you'll want to look to start 08.34.01 # As I said though, it should outright error on a %xd without an %xl, and give a little nudge about it being pointless to have an %xl with no %xd 08.34.33 # agreed 08.34.38 # Same thing for %Vl and %Vd 08.34.48 # and fonts 08.34.55 # and if you have a actual theme loaded then it should also check for the file being present 08.35.19 # but these are i tihnk low priority if there is something better to get done before pens donw 08.35.34 # * S_a_i_n_t feels guilty about dumping this on bieber. 08.35.49 # JdGordon|: Okay, so you'll need to modify execTag and make the xd branch do the correct thing (it's nested switch statements, so first find the 'x' branch, then the 'd' branch) 08.36.46 # You'll want to get the name of the tag you're evaluating, and call evalTag to get the apropriate branch, and that'll tell you which subimage to load 08.36.53 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@chello087206240131.chello.pl) 08.37.32 # Just be warned, if you only have a single branch it will always add an imaginary second branch, so watch for out-of-bounds indices 08.37.43 # S_a_i_n_t: Are You one of those art skilled guys? 08.38.22 # wodz: Perhaps.....well, kinda. 08.38.24 # Why? 08.38.42 # S_a_i_n_t: Don't worry about it, I've been looking for a good task to wrap up with anyways ;) 08.39.42 # I am working on adding nice animation to the MPIO bootloader for battery charging. I have everything up and running but iconset I prepared look 'suboptimal'. So I look for someone to prepare better art 08.40.08 # bieber: also, after pens down, can you be convinced to switch on the enum value ionstead of the tag string?? :) 08.40.13 # bieber: I just feel like I haven't praised your work enough, it feels like all I've been doing is saying "This is broken, this should work like this instead of that, I wish it had X Y and Z...etc. etc." 08.41.11 # JdGordon|: Sure thing. That sounds like a little more...stable solution :) 08.41.19 # wodz: If you DCC me what you have so far, I'll be happy to take a look at it overnight. 08.41.59 # bieber: So, on that note...."Great work man, really. I think you have done a truly awesome job" 08.42.08 # Thanks :) 08.42.28 # And hey, I've gotta earn my keep somehow 08.45.25 # S_a_i_n_t: the target is 128x128 2bit greysacale 08.45.45 # Icons should play nice with usblogo style 08.46.13 # Got it, thanks. I'll see what I can do...I'll have a look overnight. 08.46.26 # S_a_i_n_t: If You like I can send you plugin which simulates charging screen 08.46.41 # to test in simulator 08.46.44 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 08.48.29 # wodz: What is the target device? 08.48.49 # MPIO HD200 08.49.10 Quit milz (Remote host closed the connection) 08.50.41 # wodz: Are you able to build a Windows simulator? Not really necessary, but I may find it helpful. My build environment isn't playing nice with me. 08.51.26 # If yes, the plugin to simulate the charging screen would be nice. 08.51.59 # I don't have windows (I am hard linuxer) :/ 08.52.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.52.53 # Sweet as, sims don't build with a few of the patches I have in my main tree...I'll just revert them...no problem. 08.53.23 Quit kadoban (Remote host closed the connection) 08.53.54 Join kadoban [0] (~mud@cpe-67-247-80-129.rochester.res.rr.com) 08.54.23 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.55.56 # wodz: Is that the actual image you're using on device? 08.56.26 Join LinusN [0] (linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.59.19 # yes 08.59.57 # How does that work? I thought bitmapstrips needed to be stacked vertically. 09.00.42 # apparently it doesn't 09.01.19 # Doesn't what? Work, or need to be stacked vertically? 09.01.41 # need to be stacked vertically 09.01.43 Join milz [0] (~kyle@S0106002500fe5b38.cg.shawcable.net) 09.02.04 # void (*lcd_bitmap_part)(const fb_data *src, int src_x, int src_y, int stride, int x, int y, int width, int height); 09.02.25 # so you can provide offset in both directions 09.02.54 # JdGordon|: Just to make sure I have everything right, basically all I need to do with the SBS when I'm rendering a WPS is render it underneath the WPS stuff (unless there's an %xd, of course) and set the default viewport to the Custom UI viewport defined in the SBS, right? 09.03.10 # In wps icons are stacked vertically by convention. 09.03.15 # But how does it know whether you've stacked them vertically or horizontally? 09.03.20 # wodz: ^ 09.03.41 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.03.43 # S_a_i_n_t: I write the code to load bitmap so I am free to choose 09.03.51 # I have never seen an example either in the source, or any theme, of a bitmapstrip being arranged horizontally 09.04.35 # S_a_i_n_t: I am cleaning up my test plugin so You can see 09.10.43 # bieber: when rendering the wps the ui viewport is irrelevant 09.10.58 # Okay, so the default viewport is still the entire screen? 09.10.59 # that viewport is not entered at all... or cleared, or anything 09.11.03 # no 09.11.08 # oh right, it depends 09.11.27 # if %xd in your message was supposed to be %wd then the default viewport is the ui viewport 09.12.09 # Oh yeah, that's what I meant 09.12.18 # Dammit, any time I reference a tag just assume that I mean a different one :P 09.12.36 # S_a_i_n_t: ping 09.12.45 # sorry, I'm a bit out of it... if there is no %wd then the wps default viewport is the ui viewport, draw order isn guarenteed and shouldnt cause problems unless the wps draws outside of it 09.12.53 # haha 09.13.28 # Okay, cool 09.13.36 # I really over-complicated my SBS rendering code 09.16.23 # Bagder, Zagor : May I ask to update frontpage? I moved MPIO HD200 to unstable 09.18.09 # someone should add android to unstable also me thinks 09.19.03 # it is added in svn IIRC 09.20.19 # Hmmmmm....greyscale isn't very um...what's the word...it's terribly hard to add detail to images with greyscale. 09.20.22 # mpio moved 09.21.48 # cool 09.22.54 # S_a_i_n_t: this is the code for testing 09.23.09 Join petur [0] (d408b802@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.23.14 Quit bertrik (Quit: :tiuQ) 09.24.30 # bieber: how could you manage to overcomplicate it? you dont just draw the sbs then wps without clearing the buffer? 09.24.31 # New commit by 03zagor (r27760): Moved HD200 to alphabetic order, changed Android presentation. 09.24.33 # hmm I think that android in unusable should be more like android(RaaA) where RaaA is link to explanation what does it mean 09.24.53 # android should be unstable not unusable :) 09.25.21 # and I agree with wodz on that 09.25.26 # RaaAoA :) 09.25.36 # :-) 09.27.54 # oA? 09.27.58 # on android 09.28.00 # duh :D 09.28.09 # is there a proper download link anywhere? 09.28.37 # Shhhhhh you. Pgup/Pgdwn...duh :P 09.28.42 # JdGordon|: ^ 09.28.54 # kugel posted few times links 09.29.15 # wodz: yeah but I'm not sure those are offial enough to be on the web page 09.29.29 # S_a_i_n_t: do You want this test plugin for testing charging screen on MPIO? 09.29.40 # in all seriousness though, we need to have a chat about how the android port gets released... imo the apk per device isnt workable 09.29.52 # but we obviously need ot wait for kugel so I'll shutup 09.30.01 # (And I know he doesnt like my idea :/ ) 09.30.13 # Zagor: kugel should decide if it is ready for wider testing 09.30.15 # I'm keeping it in "unusable" until we have build and distribution worked out better 09.31.33 Quit anewuser (Quit: FAMICOMPO 7 - August 15 Through August 31 JST - http://midr2.under.jp/compo/vol7/index.html) 09.33.14 # wodz: I'm not 100% sure I'm able to do a better job than you've done already. 09.33.23 # Greyscale is very hard to work with. 09.33.58 # I'm not saying that I won't try though...I definitely will, just, don't expect too much ;) 09.34.56 # S_a_i_n_t: Do not stick hard to my idea of battery icon. I think it should be wider and have better contrast 09.36.12 # wodz: WHat is the maximum size I have to play with? 09.36.22 # just so I know. 09.38.48 # S_a_i_n_t: The first top line will show battery voltage (8px height), beside this You are free to choose 09.39.25 # S_a_i_n_t: get the plugin and play with this to just look nice 09.39.39 # wodz: the screen is 128x128 yes? 09.40.37 # yes 09.41.09 # Awesome, I shall see what I can do. Do you leave your IRC client connected? 09.41.29 # no, I have to take my laptop with me to work 09.42.04 # but I do read logs 09.42.47 # Ok, well its 7.30pm here and I will most likely work on this overnight...so I'll probably get in touch with you tomorrow with a few images to look at. 09.42.57 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCA7AE.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.43.23 # ok 09.44.15 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.48.07 # S_a_i_n_t: This is how my icon look in sim http://yfrog.com/n4battfullj (but on device it looks not so nice) 09.51.10 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 09.51.45 # * pixelma still has battery icon graphic lying around *somewhere*, done for LinusN when he wanted to add charging animation to the H100 and H300 bootloader 10.08.38 # JdGordon|: I made two separate screen objects, the one for the WPS being a child of the Custom UI viewport of the SBS 10.08.48 # It really makes no sense in retrospect :/ 10.14.57 # S_a_i_n_t, wodz: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/~marianne/charging/index.html above was the colour version on different backdrops, below the H100 greyscale one in slightly different version. 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12.58.39 # Giova__: Rockbox can force the output to mono easily 13.00.52 # Well may roÑkboks can make emulation Dolby suraund, there is a simple players such function 13.02.00 # webguest71: Not currently, no. 13.02.11 Quit Giova__ (Quit: CGI:IRC) 13.02.13 # Rockbox will only output mono or stereo 13.03.44 # but why can not they add some plugin emulation? 13.04.02 # to 5.1 13.04.38 # Short answer would be: "because noone has done it yet" 13.04.59 # Feel free to do it yourself and submit a patch to the tracker 13.05.16 # ok thanks))) 13.05.39 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-062-151.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.06.21 Quit hebz0rl (Max SendQ exceeded) 13.07.29 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-062-151.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.07.36 Quit mischasworld (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.08.49 Join mischasworld [0] (~quassel@g227026100.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.09.16 Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 13.13.32 Join JdGordon1 [0] (~jonno@122.110.154.64) 13.13.39 # are more channels even possible with the hardware in our targets (DAC and headphone out)? 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13.41.47 # here 13.42.39 # test a patch for one of those bugs? 13.44.44 # or, do you have a test wps for the x5 bug? 13.45.43 # I can only test sims currently though (the Iaudio remote was borrowed from amiconn on the weekend and I gave it back) 13.46.29 # the rejected RWPS on the X5 can be tested with cabbiev2 13.47.39 Quit Dreamxtreme (Quit: Don't follow me) 13.49.07 Quit Chronon (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 13.49.24 # for the rest you could take one of the 20GB H10 themes that don't show up on the X5 page of the theme site, e.g. the first 6 when sorting by submitted time (default) 13.50.31 # * pixelma wished you could read the .wps or .rwps directly in the browser without downloading the theme (bit like ViewVC) 13.52.13 # huh, why do those themes have a "work with current build" in the overview but "doesn't work with current build" when looking at the details? 13.57.12 # possibly related to the X5 bug - the first theme that doesn't have the wrong info in the details is one that appears on the X5 page too 13.57.51 # hmm... nup, not working :/ ok, tomrow night maybe 13.58.00 # breaking RaaAoA is more fun 13.58.49 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 14.04.46 # * JdGordon wonders why librockbox.so is getting left out of the android rockbox.zip 14.04.59 # anyone know buildzip.pl enough to help? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 15.11.00 Quit krazykit (Quit: bbl) 15.35.50 # JdGordon: Maybe there should be two Rockboxes in the market one which is the release version, and one which gets you daily builds (I think updating on each commit is simply going to be too silly?) 15.36.42 # I tihnk one version which lets you choose to download updates when you want or only releases is overall nicer for users 15.43.04 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 15.43.38 Join krazykit [0] (~kkit@206.183.182.189) 15.55.03 Join Erwan [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 15.58.24 Join freddyb [0] (~chatzilla@216.8.239.112.etczone.com) 16.01.20 # * JdGordon almost has this working how he wants it 16.03.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11468?string=stkov+nand&project=1&type[0]=&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= ). I'm not very good at working with source code, is there any solution to run rockbox without this freezing on the nano g2? thx 16.04.12 # whoups, first part of the message deleted 16.07.16 Join Giova__ [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.07.42 # pretty mutch the beginning of my message: i downloaded and installed rockbox for ipod nano 2g today for the first time, by following the steps here: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano2g/rockbox-build.html and here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IPodNano2GPort everytime i'm trying to do someting on the ipod i'm freezing and i have the *PANIC* stkov nand message, i searched how to get rid of this error in forums but i didn't find any worki 16.08.25 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@chello087206240131.chello.pl) 16.10.36 # Erwan: The problem is known and AFAIK there is no working solution yet. TheSeven is proper guy to bug :-) 16.11.26 # * TheSeven will have a look tonight 16.12.43 # ok thx wodz. i have also read that it wasn't happening in older builds, is that true? and is it possible to find an old working one? or did i just bricked my boss's ipod? :) 16.13.18 # yes the issue is quite new 16.13.32 # Zagor: any ideas why the web client username is www-data instead of the users ip like it used to be? 16.14.28 # not really 16.15.46 # it started 27 may 16.15.48 # Erwan, it certainly isn't "bricked", as that would suggest the device is unusable and unrecoverable which is not the case 16.19.13 # sorry for the "bricked" it's unusable but not unrecoverable.. at least i thought it was unusable, but i can actually browse easily the "system" menu without freezing.. 16.19.16 Quit l403 (Quit: Ex-Chat) 16.20.02 # well, the flyspray bug mentions a working revision, so if you were to check out that revision and built it you'd have a "good-enough" version for the time being 16.20.20 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 16.21.07 # how to set a port from unusable to unstable? 16.21.45 # Giova__, on the front page? 16.23.25 # yes, I mean, take the onda's, they are usable in my opinion, I would like to know the comunity needs to set a port unstable 16.23.41 # and then stable 16.24.48 # Giova__: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications 16.25.14 # krazykit: i'll try to get the source again, but i never built code before, i'll be back if i fail :) 16.25.15 # great, this is what I was searching for 16.27.11 Join zagor_testing [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.27.28 Quit zagor_testing (Client Quit) 16.28.19 # ok, IMO the onda's should be placed in the unstable tier 16.28.24 Join captainkewlll [0] (2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.105.236.194) 16.30.32 # Erwan, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling has helpful information 16.31.53 # Giova__: that sounds good. I don't know enough details to make the call though. 16.32.12 # Hi - is there anything more I can do to FS#8806 before it's accepted? I'd be happy to take responsibilty for any future fixes it needs. 16.33.02 # anyone want to fix my android code? FS#11525 16.36.29 Join zagor_testing [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.36.41 Quit zagor_testing (Client Quit) 16.37.25 Join patgodo [0] (~chatzilla@f053033145.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.37.33 Part patgodo 16.37.45 Join l403 [0] (~l@gw8.vslesy.cz) 16.39.41 Quit l403 (Client Quit) 16.39.53 # JdGordon: Since you've committed those changes, there's a bug in the scrolling touchscreen in sbs using the %T(-,-,-,prev) and next 16.40.11 # put it on flyspray 16.40.34 # ok 16.40.54 # pixelma: I quite like batt icon You provided 16.41.00 Join zagor_test [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.41.44 Quit zagor_test (Client Quit) 16.41.59 Join zagor_test [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.42.48 Quit zagor_test (Client Quit) 16.43.06 Join zagor_test [0] (www-data@giant.haxx.se) 16.43.40 # very strange 16.43.43 Quit zagor_test (Client Quit) 16.43.58 Join phixxor [0] (a0fd8007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.253.128.7) 16.44.16 Quit phixxor (Changing host) 16.44.16 Join phixxor [0] (a0fd8007@unaffiliated/phixxor) 16.44.16 Quit phixxor (Changing host) 16.44.16 Join phixxor [0] (a0fd8007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.253.128.7) 16.44.32 # hi -- I have a few questions I've never used rockbox before 16.44.39 # but I have read the faq 16.45.27 # I have a Sansa Clip+, and it doesn't yet have USB support. Without usb support, can rockbox still be installed? 16.45.52 # yes. you just use the original firmware for USB 16.50.05 Join zagor_test [0] (~d573017a@giant.haxx.se) 16.50.13 # ahh, there we go 16.50.16 Quit zagor_test (Client Quit) 16.51.15 Quit JdGordon (Quit: Leaving.) 16.51.17 Join JdGordon1 [0] (~jonno@122.110.154.64) 16.52.09 # ok good 16.52.23 # so there is "rockbox firmware" and "original firmware?" 16.52.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.54.30 Quit jfc^3 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.54.31 # rockbox is alternative firmware as itself 16.56.15 Join jfc [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com) 16.56.18 # I don't like android folder in root of rb 16.58.28 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.58.51 Quit JdGordon1 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17.01.56 Part Zagor 17.04.58 Part LinusN 17.13.02 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17.15.56 # can I back up the original firmware 17.16.12 # and restore it if I don't like rockbox? 17.18.00 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 17.18.24 # in order to restore OF you will have to delete .rockbox folder AND do software update (in OF) with clean unpatched one 17.22.48 # hi again, i'm trying to build the codesource for the nano 2g, i'm in cygdrive, i choosed Normal for the build i got a [ 17.23.18 # ok... hmm so before i look at rockbox i should figure how to do a software update in the original firmware? 17.23.40 # the install directions involve doing that, so you'll figure out one way or another 17.23.40 # WARNING] The compiler must use is not in your path! 17.23.45 # might want to look at the manual 17.23.58 # Erwan: you need to setup the compiler 17.24.20 # argh... how do i do that? 17.24.28 # run rockboxdev.sh and then add the compiler to the path 17.24.37 # the wiki has directions for setting up the build tools 17.25.06 # already following 3 different wiki for everything i need to learn :) 17.25.15 # ok i'll look 17.25.16 # well follow them better :) 17.26.24 # used this one: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling then had to found how to install svn, then how to install cygdrive.. not easy for a beginner :) 17.26.25 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.26.53 Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 17.27.20 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.27.33 Quit DarkMalloc (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17.27.34 Join DarkMalloc_ [0] (~DarkMallo@2607:f0d0:1002:92::2) 17.27.44 Nick DarkMalloc_ is now known as DarkMalloc (~DarkMallo@2607:f0d0:1002:92::2) 17.27.56 # i don't think the cygwin directions actually cover building the cross compiler, since you didn't used to have to do that 17.28.02 # these are probably better http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling 17.28.40 # but i'm in a windows environnement.. 17.28.40 # start with the rockboxdev stuff 17.28.48 # its pretty much the same 17.28.56 # just skip all the linux parts 17.29.10 # and probably don't need need to type sudo before commands 17.29.47 # i mean you're just running a script, pretty much the same everywhere aside from the root stuff on linux 17.30.21 # ok that's what i did 17.30.39 # i just got the warning before the "created makefile" 17.30.51 # no i mean run the rockboxdev script 17.30.53 # not the makefile 17.31.06 # ok i try again :) 17.31.18 # the make file is for compiling a build, the rockboxdev script setups up the compiler 17.31.28 # you get the warning because the build system knows you haven't setup the tools 17.32.02 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-68-173-233-99.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.32.10 # saratoga: do most ofs have self update capabilities? 17.32.22 # ? 17.32.25 # because my clip+ messes up playing flac files so I may need to do it anyway 17.32.34 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 17.32.43 Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-235-213-223.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) 17.32.44 # sorry i mean software update 17.33.00 # phixxor: yes, the OF's of all devices rockbox runs on have updateing capabilities 17.33.11 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.33.20 # ok but i'll probably have to do that on a windows computer? 17.33.34 # you do? 17.35.23 # sorry for that stupid question, but what's the command to run rockboxdev.sh? 17.35.55 # ./rockboxdev.sh if you are in the tools dir 17.36.37 # working, but it tells me i need gcc.. 17.36.42 # phixxor: when you install rockbox you have to choose what firmware to install 17.36.54 # Erwan: install the gcc package for cygwin 17.37.16 # saratoga: what choices do you get? 17.37.19 # one day i will be good enough to do it on my own ) 17.37.45 # phixxor: you get to pick the firmware version 17.38.13 # Honestly I would suggest to setup virtual machine with linux inside. Cygwin is a pain. 17.38.57 # ok -- so sometimes older firmware works better for certain players? or is there a beta version with more functionality but more bugs? 17.39.50 # i found that: http://cygwin.com/packages/gcc/ how do i install it? 17.43.06 # Erwan: i think when you run the cygwin installer it lets you add packages 17.46.15 # ok 17.46.52 # phixxor: the version of the original firmware is irrelevant if you don't use it.. 17.47.58 # i'm confused -- when you install rockbox -- is it two components, firmware and os? 17.48.10 # or just the firmware 17.48.14 # phixxor: the *original* firmware is the one released by the manufacturer 17.48.18 # nothing to do with rockbox.. 17.48.40 # so rockbox replaces OF in all cases 17.48.43 # no 17.48.52 # on pretty much every model, we support dual booting 17.48.58 # oh sweet! 17.49.01 # isn't all this in the manual 17.49.04 # yes 17.49.07 # read the manual :) 17.49.11 # i'm wasting your time :P 17.49.15 # yes 17.49.26 # but rockbox piggybacks on the OF update process so we patch a bit of code into the OF and then you update 17.49.51 # ok great 17.50.01 # this cleared up a lot of questions i had thanks 17.52.06 # New commit by 03nls (r27762): Mark constant array as 'const' and use a smaller datatype. 17.53.55 # r27762 build result: All green 17.59.12 Quit phixxor (Quit: Page closed) 17.59.51 Join mt [0] (~mtee@rockbox/developer/mt) 18.01.47 Join Ronald_ [0] (~Ronald@i178101.upc-i.chello.nl) 18.02.04 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 18.02.07 # installed gcc... now same error with "make is required" 18.02.30 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 18.02.41 # install make 18.02.59 # will it tell me what to install one by one? 18.03.35 # the wiki pages that tell you how to set up the toolchains should tell which tools you need 18.03.44 # indeed. 18.03.48 # didn't see that.. 18.03.51 # i believe you're missing build-essential. 18.03.54 # checking again :) 18.05.01 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 18.05.15 Quit RonaldH (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.06.03 # ah, indeed, rockboxdev.sh only prints the first tool that's missing in the required set, gcc bzip2 make patch makeinfo are the ones it checks for 18.06.05 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.06.18 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@90-224-31-157-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 18.06.39 # so i need "gcc bzip2 make patch makeinfo" 18.06.48 # yes 18.08.14 Quit komputes (Excess Flood) 18.08.40 # okay let's do that, and thx for your time 18.11.31 Quit toffe82 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 18.15.08 Quit Ronald_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.15.33 Join Ronald_ [0] (~Ronald@i178101.upc-i.chello.nl) 18.23.38 Join RonaldH [0] (~Ronald@i178101.upc-i.chello.nl) 18.23.38 Join halmi [0] (~netbook@80-123-34-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 18.24.39 Quit captainkewlll (Quit: Page closed) 18.25.53 Quit jordan` (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.26.27 Quit Ronald_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.31.22 # I am compiling svn head for mini1G and I see *lots of* warnings. Is it normal? 18.31.48 # no 18.31.54 # definitely not 18.31.55 # wodz: given that the build server doesn't show any warnings: no 18.32.14 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.32.23 # strange 18.32.37 # wodz: that is usually caused by configure not finding your toolchain and thus not disabling some warnings it should disable, try reconfiguring 18.33.15 # that is if you changed anything regarding the toolchains or PATH after you ran configure 18.34.22 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.35.37 # yeah, recreating build dir helped 18.37.22 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.42.28 Join szeraax [0] (~d8b1ba65@giant.haxx.se) 18.44.15 # Hello all. Quick question (I have done what quick searching I could and found nothing on main site) about the new skin engine. did Jonathan ever make the little wps converter he was talking about at one point? it would be super handy if he did and someone knew where I can get it. 18.46.00 # szeraax: i think what you're looking for is in utils/skinupdater in svn 18.46.06 # yes there is an updater script and somewhere in the forums you can find it as a precompiled tool for Windows. I think you would need to check out the source and compile your own 18.46.18 # for any other OS 18.46.57 # aye 18.47.21 # I will do some seaching for the win version of skinupdater 18.47.30 # Thanks both y'all 18.48.01 # er 18.48.07 # is it a .rock? 18.48.15 # no, I'm just dumb 18.48.38 Quit Giova__ (Quit: CGI:IRC) 18.49.10 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 18.50.21 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 18.52.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.53.14 # New commit by 03mt (r27763): add a patch to libwmavoice to make it easier to enable/disable building it. 18.54.47 # r27763 build result: All green 18.55.11 Join Jerom [0] (~jerome@95.171.131.249) 18.55.43 # mt: do you plan to work on fixedpointifying wma voice later? 18.56.27 Quit szeraax (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 18.57.01 # n1s: yes 18.57.39 # but if someone wanted to help with that I wouldn't mind. ;) 18.58.04 Join Kitr88 [0] (~Kitarist@BSN-143-106-132.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 18.59.34 # I wouldn't mind helping but probably can't help that much 19.00.35 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@p4FDE8F88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.00.40 # if i can, i'll try but i've never done a fixed point conversion before :) 19.01.15 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.02.54 Quit Kitr88 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19.06.53 Quit mt (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.07.39 Join Kitar|st [0] (Kitarist@89.142.237.76) 19.09.10 Quit h3po (Remote host closed the connection) 19.10.52 Quit halmi (Quit: halmi) 19.11.07 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@p4FDE8F88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.12.59 Join evilnick_B [0] (0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 19.14.42 Quit fdinel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.15.50 Nick Ypsy is now known as YPSY (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 19.21.08 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Remote host closed the connection) 19.21.37 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@94.75.220.183) 19.23.51 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 19.24.09 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 19.28.21 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 19.28.46 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 19.28.48 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 19.31.21 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.31.49 # wodz: it would probably be more effective to use wakeup_wait instead of "busy-yield" 19.34.00 Quit freddyb (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457]) 19.34.38 # kugel: contex please 19.34.53 # wodz: re: your lcd dma commit 19.35.50 # you could call wakeup_wait() in the update functions and wakeup_signal() from the dma callback when it's finished 19.35.59 Join Zet [0] (zet@devil.zerodistance.fi) 19.36.06 # kugel: ok I'll try 19.36.07 # hello, good people 19.36.31 # I am looking to buy my first mobile music player device, and I need some suggestions 19.36.35 # kugel: BTW I really dislike android dir in root of rockbox tree 19.37.00 # why? 19.37.18 # if RaaA bussines will go on we will have quite massive dir polution 19.37.27 # basically, something that (ideally) can run rockbox, has decent storage capacity and costs max ~250 euros 19.38.05 # wodz: I think not 19.38.17 # Zet: if talking about new players off the shelf You are restricted to new AMSes 19.38.32 # Zet: what does "decent storage capacity" mean? 19.38.48 # this dir belongs to port so why not put it in target tree? 19.38.58 # gevaerts: uhmmm well maybe like 8+ GB? 19.38.59 # the android impose a certain project dir layout, and it has several advantages to put that into an extra dir 19.39.38 # extra dir is ok but why in the root 19.39.54 # kugel: maybe application/android? 19.41.54 # wodz: why not? 19.42.22 # better than building where the sources are (and you can build in the android folder) 19.43.12 # kugel: I suspect the issue is that people don't want to end up with dozens of subdirectories in the root 19.43.35 # kugel: I don't want to see win7_mobile, ios, symbian, xyz subdirs in root 19.44.05 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r27764): deploy.py: Figure installer filename from NSIS script. 19.44.51 # I don't have a problem with /android, if it gets out of hand later (with many other targets) we can move it then 19.45.07 # I a) don't think that's going to happen (we could move it into application/android now or later) and b) I don't see a problem with more folders in the root dir 19.45.29 # * bluebroth3r wasn't too fond of that /lib either 19.45.48 # r27764 build result: All green 19.46.15 # btw, I'm still planning to kill /rbutil and merge it with /utils. 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Teach someone to code, help them rule the world.) 20.46.04 # I'm not sure, let me check 20.46.15 Quit komputes (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.46.16 Join captainkewll [0] (2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.105.236.194) 20.46.22 # It's in the Debug configuration, so I would assume not? 20.46.22 # it could be caused by the compiler reordering the code. The worst I've ever seen made the code almost unreadable in the debugger. 20.47.36 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 20.48.10 # hmm, running qmake here doesn't add -O when using -config debug. 20.49.59 # so in that case you shouldn't get into trouble with that. 20.50.21 # I'm going to try explicitly disabling them 20.50.36 # I just added an assert statement inside the if block, and it's not signaling anything wrong 20.51.08 # For some reason, in one particular instance my program seems to think that 2 < 1 20.51.09 # did you by chance have old objects from an optimized build lying around? Not sure if the generated Makefile catches such. 20.51.56 # Hmm, it seems to be skipping right over the assert statement 20.52.07 # I rebuilt the project, let me try cleaning out ALL the old object files 20.52.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.52.57 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 20.55.01 Quit h3po (Quit: Leaving.) 20.55.17 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@d174121.adsl.hansenet.de) 20.55.35 Join bunnyboi [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 20.55.40 # Still doing it, but if I add anything else into the if block it just gets ignored 20.55.56 # I wonder if it's not actually happening somewhere else, and my debugger is just getting confused 20.56.11 Quit h3po (Client Quit) 20.56.27 Join h3po [0] (~h3po@d174121.adsl.hansenet.de) 20.59.20 # sounds weird. 20.59.39 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 20.59.43 # is it only related to an assert or other code? 20.59.57 Join giovanni_ [0] (~giovanni@93.37.246.217) 21.00.06 # It's in the conditional rendering code 21.00.43 # Ohh, I think I know what I did 21.01.13 # What the debugger was showing me still doesn't make any sense, but at least I think I can fix the problem :/ 21.02.02 Join stoffel_ [0] (~quassel@p57B4B06C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.03.01 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.03.54 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.04.31 Join PouncePony [0] (~pouncep@224-6-237-24.gci.net) 21.05.29 Join Lars_G [0] (~Lars@190.202.100.93) 21.05.37 Quit Lars_G (Changing host) 21.05.37 Join Lars_G [0] (~Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) 21.06.16 # Quick question, how do I mark A and B for an a-b repeat on the sansa e200? select (as suggested in the wiki) keeps doing it's normal "go back to files/database" function 21.07.14 # Lars_G: have you enabled A-B repeat at all? It won't work if that's disabled. 21.08.31 Quit stoffel_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 21.08.34 # * bluebroth3r tries on e200 21.08.43 # bluebroth3r: there are targets where you have to do that and others where you don't... 21.09.32 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 21.09.48 # pixelma: really? Oh. 21.10.19 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4DA13.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.10.20 # depending if there were enough buttons to have a set-A-marker, Set-B-marker, Clear-markers button or not 21.10.20 # Lars_G: according to the manual it's power+left and power+right on the e200. Just tried, works for me. 21.10.41 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.11.17 # hm, wasn't that changed somewhat recently? 21.11.20 # or possible button combinations 21.11.50 # gevaerts: "that" meaning here ? 21.11.51 # bluebroth3r: Yes i've enabled it, both ways 21.12.03 # pixelma: the A-B repeat buttons 21.12.09 # bluebroth3r: Thanks a lot 21.12.14 # oh, my e200 has a 4 month old build. I really should update ... 21.12.17 # bluebroth3r: Those are shortcuts for A and B then, thanks 21.12.28 # bluebroth3r: I just updated from a 5 month old build to 3.6 21.12.38 # bluebroth3r: Other than it fucked my favorite theme, it works great 21.12.41 # gevaerts: do you mean the mapping itself on the e200 or something in general? 21.12.54 # btw, is it possible to make the Menu button in the quick screen exit the quick screen? I absolutely *hate* to use a different button to leave it than I used for entering. 21.12.56 # pixelma: the mapping on several targets 21.13.34 # I wish the select-double-click patch hadn't become so old and unappliable :) 21.13.38 # ah, no 21.13.42 # * gevaerts was mistaken 21.13.47 # what do people think about switching the button for Quickscreen and Context Menu, at least on e200 and Ipods? Context Menu makes more sense with a button labelled "Menu" IMO 21.14.03 # plus it would solve this use-different-button-to-exit issue 21.14.27 # I was remembering r26397, but that didn't change the actual mapping, it just had to have it retested 21.14.28 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.61.101) 21.14.39 # bluebroth3r: I have considered suggesting the same thing before. 21.14.56 # I did that mod in a build of mine a while back and quite liked it. 21.15.03 # S_a_i_n_t: ok, so it's at least not only me :) 21.15.16 # bluebroth3r: if that means you remove the long press of select for context menu i'm against it 21.15.24 # I'm sure you'll get a few nay-sayers though 21.15.57 # n1s: no, not remove. Just swap it. Context Menu is now long select, make that long Menu. Quick Screen is now long Menu, make that long Select. 21.16.06 # S_a_i_n_t: definitely :) 21.16.18 # bluebroth3r: ok, then i don't like your suggestion 21.16.39 # n1s: it's just ... well, we invoke the Main Menu with a button labelled Menu, so why should the Context Menu use a button *not* labelled Menu? 21.16.45 # * S_a_i_n_t sees nothing wrong at all with "Menu" actually being the context menu. 21.16.56 # As I said, I have actually tried this and it works well. 21.18.29 # pressing select for quickscreen makes more sense to me that pressing menu, especially considering bluebroth3r's last statement. 21.18.30 # alternate proposal: remove the 4th item in the Quick Screen :D 21.18.33 # I'm all for it. 21.18.46 # Errr...not that. 21.18.50 # bluebroth3r: for me it's 2 reasons, i only ever enter the quickscreen by accident and the long select for context menu is consistent for all my players 21.18.59 # I likes my quickscreen items ;) 21.19.30 # i would enter the quickscreen by accident far more often if it was long select on some players 21.19.59 # hmm, so you enter the context menu frequently by accident? 21.20.22 # he didn't say that 21.20.34 # is there any reason FS#10906 - "Sansa AMS: use PLL B for higher audio sample rate accuracy" can't be committed? 21.20.36 # It would only take a little getting used to, *any* addition/modification to make the keymaps more sane is a bonus AFAIC 21.20.45 # apparently a lot of people are using the patch unofficially 21.20.54 # no, but i am used to long select for contect menu from using it like that on all my players for years 21.21.20 # I think it would ease the transition of new users into the RB keymap 21.21.24 # when changing button layouts it might make sense to do that on all players ;-) 21.21.25 # (for iPod at least) 21.21.30 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.21.37 # Menu == Menu is totally sane IMO 21.21.48 # saratoga: battery life I guess 21.22.00 # kugel: battery benchs showed no measurable difference 21.22.19 # though IMO the problem is most prominent on Ipods and e200, but that's only my perception :) 21.22.49 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 21.23.09 Quit RonaldH (Quit: Leaving) 21.24.05 Join Jerom [0] (~heidi@95.171.131.249) 21.24.28 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.176.123) 21.26.50 # having the "Select file" action and the "what more to do with the file" on the same button makes more sense to me, on all players. And the center buttons on Ipod and e200 sound very reasonable for it, besides it is used this way on all players that have a center button 21.34.22 # S_a_i_n_t: news? 21.35.37 # Sadly, no. My build environment has decided it hates me and I'm currently re-installing it :/ 21.35.45 Quit toffe82 (Remote host closed the connection) 21.37.27 # New commit by 03bieber (r27765): Theme Editor: Co Used a more efficient/less error-prone system for rendering SBS documents underneath WPS documents 21.37.48 # S_a_i_n_t: I'm committing some changes that should fix most or all of your new project rendering issues :) 21.38.15 # Awesome, now I just wish QT didn't hate my system ;) 21.38.32 # For some reason I just *can't* build the bloody thing. 21.38.59 # r27765 build result: All green 21.39.01 # bluebroth3r, n1s: IIRC context menu was on menu button on e200, but then changed to long select for consistency with other targets 21.39.56 # * S_a_i_n_t hopes bluebroth3r updates the ThemeEditor build soon...please/thankyou/etc. ;) 21.40.10 # kugel: i don't have an e200 but i'm pretty sure the context menu has been long select on ipods for a long time 21.40.22 # s/ThemeEditor build/hosted ThemeEditor builds/ 21.40.37 # S_a_i_n_t: can do. 21.40.46 # Thanks. 21.41.31 # n1s: Context menu has been long select for as long as I have known Rockbox. 21.41.38 # bieber: btw, today's the "suggested pencils down" date, now only one week is left until the final deadline. 21.41.48 # But, I really do think it makes more sense for it to be long menu 21.43.02 # I can remember the Quick Screen being an actual Quick Screen (where using the direction buttons actually made sense) but it's not working this way anymore since long. 21.43.16 # bluebroth3r: I saw, I'm just going to try and implement a renderer error/warning system and graphical insertion of viewports before next Monday 21.43.44 # bluebroth3r: How do you mean? Quickscreen works as expected here 21.44.12 # bieber: one thing I just though of that might be useful (or even already there?) is highlighting matching braces 21.44.30 # That would be handy, and shouldn't be hard to implement 21.44.31 # S_a_i_n_t: it worked like this: press and hold A-B, then (while still holding A-B) press one of the direction keys. Release A-B, and the screens gone. 21.44.57 # Ah...that's terrible IMO 21.45.05 # S_a_i_n_t: originally it was imlemented so that you held a button pressed and it was only displayed as long as that button was held, and you made changes with the direction buttons and when you let go of the QS button the screen disappeared 21.45.06 # Glad it changed ;) 21.45.07 # S_a_i_n_t: for that feature it obviously won't work with Select as Quick Screen button with the h100 joystick. 21.45.34 # however, since we don't have this kind of Quick Screen any more the reason for not using Select is gone. 21.45.43 # * TheSeven is bisecting 21.46.28 # S_a_i_n_t: it didn't change, it *broke* (you *could* invoke the Quick Screen with long A-B, then use the direction keys, then leave with A-B back that time). And nobody fixed it. 21.46.28 # i really don't use the quickscreen at all but sure it could be useful for something but the context menu is the only way to do some things 21.46.49 # Well, I realise I have no sway over any decisions...other than adding input as an iPod user, and I really think bluebroth3r's suggested keymap change makes sense. 21.46.59 # Primarily for the benefir of new users 21.47.16 # but since we don't have the old behaviour anymore I don't see a reason why the Quick Screen has to be so special. I really wouldn't mind replacing it with a normal list menu the user can customize. So it would become the user menu. 21.47.51 # * kugel likes the quickscreen as it is 21.47.52 # the user *can* customise the quickscreen though... 21.48.00 # so short menu becomes main menu, long menu the user menu. Sounds sensible to me :) 21.48.24 # bluebroth3r: I didn't know that the H100 had this way at all, I thought this was only on the Archos Recorders. And I also thought button combos on the H100 are only possible with the Play button 21.48.30 # Me too, if I swap Quickscreen and User Menu 21.48.47 # I see the Quickscreen as a customisable menu as it is. 21.48.52 # pixelma: I might remember that wrong but IIRC it did work (though only for a short time) on the h100 21.49.50 # S_a_i_n_t: that's my point: if the Quick Screen is rather a user menu then why not treat it as a menu? With the same layout as the main menu, and an arbitrary number of items available in it. 21.49.52 # On h100 button combos are possible only with play. This is hardware limitation 21.50.07 # bieber: Opening the same project again doesn't seem to revert any modifications. Is that intended behaviour? 21.50.17 # hmm, then I mixed that up with the archos. Oops. 21.50.25 # I like the idea of customizable menu instead of quick screen 21.50.38 # I don't 21.50.42 # nevertheless, the original way the Quick Screen was intended to work remains :) 21.51.13 # bluebroth3r: That *is* a damn good point now that I understand you...your suggestion gets rid of the "4 items max" limitation (on iPods at least, can't speak for other targets). 21.51.25 # gevaerts: Yes, at the moment opening any type of file will just switch to its tab if it's already open 21.51.39 # It's something I can change easily if reverting changes would be preferred, though 21.52.12 # S_a_i_n_t: all other targets I'm aware of have 4 items. It even was 3 items, but it got changed by someone (who doesn't like my idea, surprisingly :) and caused that horrible enter-leave inconsistency 21.52.34 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.52.34 # bluebroth3r: I'm nowhere near skilled enough to implement such a thing however. 21.52.41 # But, I like the idea. 21.52.50 # bluebroth3r: the long/short menu/quickscreen/context menu/select idea won't work on the Ondio and I still think "Select" and "File context menu" belong together on one button 21.52.53 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 21.53.31 # A list, like all other menu lists, ordered by the way the items were added to it, so you can customise your own layout to your preference 21.53.42 # pixelma: I _somewhat_ agree with you. However, I dislike this enter-exit inconsistency more :) 21.53.48 # That is a bloody good idea IMO 21.54.23 # but if the Quick Screen gets replaced with a standard list menu that issue won't be around anymore (and make my argument for swapping long Select and long Menu vanish) 21.54.29 # If it was treated just like any other menu, it would make a *lot* more sense, and be more consistent. 21.54.57 # bieber: I'm not entirely sure. I'd expect an explicit open of a project to clear the state of at least all related files. The fact that unrelated skin files stay open (which is useful) somewhat changes the equation though 21.55.00 # being a list would render it useless for me, mostly 21.55.13 # S_a_i_n_t: what's the first revision where you noticed nand trouble? 21.55.19 # it definitely isn't in the r26850 - r27036 range 21.55.21 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 21.55.28 # i'm building head now... 21.55.29 # I like how I can quickly change settings without scrolling to menu items or entering submenus (and scroll more there) 21.55.37 # my guess is that it would me more useful for the majority of users. 21.56.08 # and select and context menu are the things that are intuitive on the targets I own. Well, I don't care about the quickscreen at all (of my targets only the M5 has it fully, the c200 has a weird thing with the quickscreen only easily available from the WPS and in the menus it's on somw weird button combo no-one remembers) 21.56.09 # if you can add any item to that user menu like you can now with the quick screen there won't be much difference. 21.56.11 # actually, I think the majorty of users don't use the quickscreen (and wouldn't use the list) at all 21.56.33 # TheSeven: The first I noticed it was the revision the new skin parser was introduced (if anyone (JdGordon in particular) reads this in the logs, I'm *not* blaming the parser... ;)) 21.57.09 # * TheSeven can't reproduce it even with head 21.57.36 # can you describe a bulletproof way to trigger it? 21.58.16 # Hmmmm, browsing themes triggered it, if not browsing themes - then loading a theme definitely did 21.58.50 # It also sometimes just panic'd for no apparent reason a few seconds after boot, whilst still in the main menu 21.59.50 # hmm, that bugger just wiped my config during a reboot :/ 22.00.07 # bieber: in addition to matching braces, I'd find it handy if the theme editor could also highlight matching <> and possibly related | 22.00.13 # Ah, did you find a way to make it panic? 22.00.18 # TheSeven: ^ 22.00.32 # no, it just lost its settings during a (successful) reboot 22.00.41 # Hmmmm, weird 22.00.47 # loading a theme succeeded, but took literally ages 22.00.55 # (half a minute or such) 22.01.23 # * S_a_i_n_t wonders why TheSeven's Nano seems fine, when I can't even use mine. 22.01.34 # (fine-ish) 22.03.45 # hmm, it seems to lose its settings every second reboot. weird. 22.04.28 # TheSeven: The build I am using now (which doesn't panic left right an center) is r26690, and it takes forever to power down but is otherwise fine. 22.04.34 # (fine-ish) 22.04.59 # by "takes forever to power down" I would say ~10-to-15s 22.04.59 # i guess you'll have to bisect it if i can't reproduce it 22.05.21 # that seems to be normal considering the kind of work the ftl has to do on shutdown 22.05.45 # it usually takes ~2-to-3s 22.05.51 # *max* 22.06.02 # not if you've written more than a few kb to flash before 22.07.00 # Hmmmm...well, this is the only build I have ever come across that takes this long to power down. The only reason I'm using it is because it is the only rev I know for certain to be stable 22.11.28 Join shai_ [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 22.15.31 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.16.55 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@g231109108.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.17.13 Quit kugel (Disconnected by services) 22.17.19 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@g231109108.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.17.23 Quit kugel (Changing host) 22.17.23 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.20.07 Quit S_a_i_n_t () 22.20.53 # bieber: how is that VERSION thing in themeeditor.pro supposed to work? I've seen that Qt tries to add a Windows resource when cross-compiling, but not when building on W32 natively. Is that number exposed anywhere on Linux? 22.25.13 # I wish it was possible to use rockbox on nano 5g 22.25.16 # :) someday 22.25.32 # And don't tell me to port it, I know better minds than mine have failed so far 22.26.30 # Nobody has actually failed as far as I know 22.26.38 # It's just that nobody has really tried 22.27.03 # I thought the bootloader encription made it near impossible 22.28.04 # Possibly, but that sort of thing hasn't made people fail, it just has made them not try 22.31.03 Quit bieber (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.31.21 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 22.31.28 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 22.35.12 # I am puzzled how to treat audiohw_set_recvol(). WM8750 has programmable amplifier before ADC (-17.25dB to +30dB) as well as digital amplification stage after ADC. From what I understand audiohw_set_recvol() should set analog gain right? How to treat amplification in digital domain? 22.36.38 # Lars_G: We have killed/bypassed bootloader encryption on six ipod generations so far, even though some of them were luckyly using the same (buggy) system. Eventually, we will also find a way to do it on the seventh one. 22.38.38 # wm8978 driver seems to set up recvol in digital domain 22.40.12 Join halmi [0] (~netbook@80-123-32-92.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 22.44.10 Nick shai_ is now known as shai (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 22.44.50 Quit halmi (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.49.18 Quit Lars_G (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.51.41 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 22.51.45 Quit h3po (Quit: Leaving.) 22.52.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.02.35 # hmm, should we perhaps add noise cancellation to the NODO, it's been suggested many times and it just isn't possible to do it and expect any kind of reasonable performance 23.03.51 # We could, but I think people who suggest it probably never looked at NoDo anyway, and I see NoDo more as something for things that might actually be technically possible 23.04.10 # n1s, fine with me 23.06.04 # no, they probably don't look there. 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