--- Log for 13.08.110 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 17 hours ago 00.07.49 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.17.27 # rasher: (and 480x800 android people): http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox-480x800.apk 00.23.25 Quit markun (Remote host closed the connection) 00.26.02 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Quit: zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz) 00.27.10 # Bagder: the backdrops are huge (1.5MB for cabbiev2), and there are two of them. is that really suitable for svn? 00.27.59 # how else would we deal with them? 00.28.32 # no idea, that's why I just proceeded as usual this time :) 00.28.52 # I think its fine 00.29.53 # I think someone suggested to store them as png in svn. buildwps.pl could convert to png 00.30.07 # but if that's all not a problem for the svn server I don't mind 00.30.25 # (although I wouldn't mind png-in-core now as it comes into my mind) 00.30.44 # hehe, me neither but no it isn't a problem to the svn server 00.30.52 # buildwps.pl could convert to bmp* of course 00.33.08 # it would probably really a good idea to make the image decoders more codec like 00.33.28 # I wonder if Unhelpful likes that idea :P 00.35.30 # he'd probably like it more if you were the one doing the work ;) 00.35.34 # same goes for metadata parsers IMO 00.37.04 # krazykit: actually, I think we need to poke teru about png in core :) 00.39.44 # Anyone know if %ax also mirrors image positions inside a viewport? 00.40.00 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.42.58 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.44.03 # rasher: do you like it? 00.45.24 # kugel: Well the skin works nicely, but the font is tiny and it doesn't actually play music, so one step forward two steps back I'm afraid 00.45.30 # It just sits at 0:00 00.46.16 # rasher: have you downloaded the font package? 00.46.25 Quit bluebroth3r (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.46.29 # Yeah 00.46.38 # Which font is it supposed to use? 00.46.39 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 00.46.48 # 35-adobe.. 00.48.26 # Weird 00.52.52 # rasher: arg, the 480x800 sdl app is too big for my laptop screen, but it seems to work as intended 00.53.22 # kugel: It seems to have loaded 12-Adobe-Helvetica 00.53.33 Quit fdinel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.53.39 # have you tried loading cabbiev2 from the browse themes menu? 00.53.52 # that worked for me just a few seconds ago 00.53.59 # it's.. not there? :-| 00.54.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.54.20 # oh I see, have you installed other themes? 00.54.29 # Maybe I should've cleared everything first 00.54.36 # I think I'll start from scratch 00.54.41 # the trick is, as soon as rockbox sees a folder in the user dir, that user dir overrides the installation dir 00.55.23 # e.g. if there's /sdcard/rockbox/themes it won't see /data/.../themes anymore 00.55.36 # there's no fancy unionfs thing yet 00.56.46 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 00.58.52 Part toffe82 00.59.59 # Bagder: ok, if it's not a problem for the svn server I would like to commit some .xcf files to make porting cabbie easier 01.00.42 # (these are usually quite big) 01.01.19 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 01.02.21 # * kugel thinks cabbiev2 is a great default theme and can't imagine how much energy went into the whole process of making it the default (especially convincing all the people) 01.03.14 # kugel: do it do it do it! 01.03.21 # (commit the xcf files) 01.05.56 # New commit by 03bieber (r27795): Theme Editor: Implemented some basic viewport/text mirroring with the %ax tag 01.07.56 # r27795 build result: All green 01.09.02 Join saratoga [0] (9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.198.221) 01.10.00 # amiconn: I tested PP at 30MHz, FLAC and MP3 don't really change (presumably since they mainly use IRAM), but WMA 128k gains 1.8MHz (about 8% faster) 01.10.45 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.11.09 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.84.62) 01.12.08 # * kugel eagerly awaits rasher's results 01.12.13 # vorbis_128k only improves by 400kHz! 01.12.22 # apparently WMA doesn't make as good use of IRAM as it ought to 01.12.38 # i had an old patch for improving it, but lost it ages ago, maybe i should look at it again 01.13.08 # oh hmm maybe WMA was optimized more since my last stock bench, better double check 01.14.47 # kugel: I'm confused :\ 01.15.02 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.15.34 # speaking of wma - I noticed that the wma codec throws some debug output in a "usual" simulator currently. Looks like something wasn't disabled again for the casual user - or? 01.15.50 # what does it print? 01.16.14 # rasher: it should definitely work if you *uninstall* rockbox and *delete* /sdcard/rockbox (which would be starting from scratch) 01.16.31 # kugel: should I not install the font pack? 01.16.34 # other than that I have no idea why it wouldn't "just work" 01.17.02 # the fonts that shipped themes need come with rockbox since a while, but it doesn't hurt if you install it 01.17.16 # unless 35-adobe is not in it 01.17.18 # * [Saint] wonders where JdGordon has buggered off to 01.18.16 # huh WMA is 100kHz faster per clock when boosted 01.18.21 # kugel: okay trying now with nothing installed 01.18.30 # weird 01.18.54 # kugel: No font 01.19.15 # ok, I tried a fresh install on my laptop and get sysfont as well 01.19.20 # saratoga: e.g. when starting a wma file to play it prints "**************** IN WMA.C ******************" 01.19.33 # kugel: okay so I'm not going completely crazy 01.20.43 # saratoga: nothing else so far on this comp but I saw a few other messages on another box 01.20.44 # New commit by 03saratoga (r27796): Remove old debug line from wma.c. 01.21.30 # * Strife89 noticed a very interesting problem while he was away: 01.21.37 # all the other DEBUGF messages are for real errors that should never happen 01.21.41 # so they should stay 01.21.50 # rasher: and I was sure you are! :P anyway, installing the font package makes it work again (I'll have a look why it breaks at the font) 01.22.14 # Start a track from the file browser and hit Next after being in the WPS for a few seconds, while the tracks are buffering. 01.22.19 # r27796 build result: All green 01.22.20 # Then prepare your ears. 01.22.53 # saratoga: wma file ended and playback goes on with an mp3 - "read_packet error 2048, errcount 1" (actually 6 times, errcount goes up respectively) 01.22.53 # its interesting that for WMA, the move from ARM7TDMI with its 32 bit wide cache and 5 cycle multiplier to ARM9E with its 64 bit cache and fast multiplier only speeds things up by ~13% 01.23.06 # The behavior was observed in r27790. 01.23.09 # pixelma: that means you have a broken WMA file 01.23.33 # it'll print that if theres no packet where the header says there should be one 01.23.41 # I reverted to r27759 and the problem went away. 01.23.53 # well that or maybe we have a bug in the parser 01.24.57 # rasher: I started with a complete fresh empty installation dir (/usr/local/{bin,lib,share} in the sdl app) and a complete fresh user dir ($HOME/.config/rockbox.org/ in the sdl app). after extracting the fonts to $HOME/.config/rockbox.org/fonts/ cabbiev2 works as intended 01.25.08 # Would anyone care to attempt to reproduce the problem? 01.25.24 # I experienced it on an iPod Video (64MB of RAM). 01.25.30 # kugel: Yeah, it does 01.25.38 # on android: installation dir is /data/data/rockbox.org/app_rockbox (which you really can only clean by uninstalling the app), user dir is /sdcard/rockbox 01.26.01 # tiny icons! 01.26.07 # poke [Saint] 01.26.13 # I'll have a go 01.26.16 # i wonder why the speed up for ARM9E is so small, I'd expect making single loads and all multiplication ops ~2x as fast would be worth more then 13% 01.26.18 # should be reasonably easy 01.26.21 # someone with a coldfire target around currently for a quick test (possibly needs a paperclip on H100/300)? 01.26.26 # rasher: I recommend turning on absolute point mode on now 01.26.32 # i wonder if we're doing something stupid that cancels out some of the gain somewhere 01.26.40 # settings->system->display->touchscrene 01.27.02 # though maybe the IRAM is slower somehow then PP and that slows it down 01.27.15 # i guess there could be a delay verses PP with its custom memory controller 01.29.44 # rasher: [Saint] promised to make bigger icons 01.30.07 # they're still accaptable on 27-adobe but I guess not on 35-adobe 01.30.30 # saratoga: the same happened on a second wma file (they come from the same source though). I missed it before but there is another message before: "Could not read packet (requested 5974 bytes, received 5962), curpos=3328684, aborting". I never noticed before but don't listen to the 3 wma files too often in a sim... 01.31.01 # curpos is different between the 2 files, guess that's expected 01.31.23 # kugel: yes well I'm impatient! :) 01.31.34 # and the icons are right there.. 01.31.56 # so how do you like the cabbie port? 01.32.29 # Looks pretty nice 01.32.58 # saratoga: same thing with the third file. I would need to download some other test files if I should try others 01.33.14 # kugel: how does one back out of a menu in point mode? 01.33.28 # click the menu title 01.33.32 # ah 01.33.55 # pixelma: do they skip when you get that error or keep playing 01.34.08 # it even plays now 01.34.50 # it just happens at the end of the file, I can't hear an error but don't listen at a very high volume. Playback moves on to the next track as normal 01.35.17 # oh i'm wrong about WMA on AMSv2 vs. PP, its actually 28% faster 01.35.41 # that seems a little bit more reasonable, since WMA spends most of its time doing load, mul, store loops 01.35.45 # Would anyone be willing to attempt to reproduce a bug I may be experiencing? Revision is 27790, problem has not occured in r27759. Device is an iPod Video. To reproduce, load a track through the file browser and wait a second or two after entering the WPS, then skip to the next track while the songs are still buffering. Brace your ears for noise, and note the lockup. 01.36.11 # pixelma: could be that the end of the file is clipped, or that the header is wrong, or maybe we parse it incorrectly 01.36.40 # if it doesn't skip i wouldn't worry about it 01.37.08 # no, but I'm not sure that should be in a "normal" sim output 01.37.27 # i think it should be, something is clearly wrong, either with us or the file 01.37.43 # are wma tags at the end or beginning of the file? 01.37.48 # beginning 01.38.04 # there goes that idea then 01.38.14 # its weird that the file is just a few bytes short 01.38.26 # can you upload it, MS has a nice tool for parsing ASF files 01.38.58 # all three files show the same numbers for "requested" and "received" 01.38.59 # does it make sense to have a speex test file using the normal test track, or is speex only expected to work correctly with real voice? 01.39.33 # the requested makes sense, since they'll probably all have the same packet size if they're encoded at the same time, not sure why the last packet would be smaller though 01.39.46 # AFAIK ASF has constant packet size 01.40.44 # but as I said, they come from the same source... I'm sure I already sent you one of those, back at the beginning of the WMA codec; guess you don't have it anymore though 01.40.52 # whats the file name 01.44.53 # rasher: soooo, do you agree that rockbox quite nice and usable with a proper cabbiev2 port (/me needs to convince people that native widgets is not so important) 01.45.02 # :) 01.45.34 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 01.48.06 Join piotrekm [0] (~piotrek@unaffiliated/piotrekm) 01.48.38 # kugel: Well it's usable 01.49.06 # ...but? 01.49.20 # I'd much prefer the menus being android listviews though, but I do recognise that this is significantly more involved 01.50.10 # * Strife89 grabs copies of r27796. 01.50.27 # what do you mean with list views? 01.51.19 # I believe that's what android calls them 01.51.25 # The widgets 01.52.09 # New commit by 03saratoga (r27797): Missed some more debug statements in libasf. 01.53.47 # r27797 build result: All green 01.54.44 # What's the 4th icon in tango_small.png? 01.56.11 Quit Jerom (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.56.30 # Strife89: I might try to reproduce on any of my targets but not now. First some sleep and then I also need to update if it isn't already in 27759 (I think) 01.57.01 # Ah, think I'll go from the 20x20 tango in the wiki 01.57.33 # pixelma: Fair enough; I'm attempting to reproduce on my other targets for the time being. 01.57.44 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 01.57.44 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 01.57.44 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.57.48 # I'll be using r27796 for bug testing. 01.57.56 # rasher: looks like a play icon to me 01.59.45 Join Jennifur [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.00.37 # rasher: IMO our lists lack only 2 things: kinetic scrolling and a no-selection-state 02.01.02 # (maybe also a minimum height to make items clickable easily) 02.01.36 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: Are you able to have a look at the bug with %t(timeout) please? 02.01.42 # <[Saint]> It's really bloody annoying. 02.02.00 # kugel: Still, I'd prefer it to feel like an android app rather than Rockbox shoehorned into Android 02.02.24 # [Saint]: The background that should be used in the WPS only is being used in the SBS. :/ 02.02.42 # r27796 02.03.04 Quit bunnyboi (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.03.05 # <[Saint]> If you're not aware of it, if you missed it in the logs, the timeout is reverting to default no matter what it is set to. 02.03.10 # On the plus side, I can't seem to reproduce the playback bug. 02.03.10 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: ^ 02.03.14 # rasher: unfortunately I don't feel that way 02.03.21 # ... Yet. 02.03.50 # <[Saint]> Strife89: Thay're actually two different backgrounds...but what do you mean? 02.03.58 # <[Saint]> The background in the wps is not loading? 02.03.59 Join bunnyboi [0] (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) 02.04.08 # <[Saint]> *they're 02.04.13 # [Saint]: bugs go in the tracker 02.04.31 # [Saint]: The background for the WPS (which has the "empty" progress bar) is being used in the SBS. 02.04.38 # <[Saint]> So they can sit there for ages and not get looked at? :P 02.05.02 # <[Saint]> Strife89: Oh.....*weird* 02.06.06 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: No offence, but I have better luck (in my experience) asking you to look at something personally....UI bugs just seem to sit in the tracker doing nothing. 02.06.38 # friday morning while im at work means abosulty no chance of even being looked at till sat night (more likely sunday evening) 02.07.09 # <[Saint]> I wasn't saying "could you look at it right now", I do know you're at work. 02.07.14 # <[Saint]> Just making you aware of it. 02.07.18 Quit Jennifur (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.09.26 # rasher: ok, one more try: have you made the scrollbar bigger (and moved to the right)? our scrollbar is much better than the native android one IMO 02.09.42 # and I was saying that by then Assuming I dont have anything else I'd rather work on, there is a good chance I will forget about it unless it is starred in my flayspray email filter 02.10.41 # kugel: how? 02.10.59 # in theme settings 02.11.58 # Honestly, it feels clumsy to me 02.12.26 # look-wise or usability-wise? 02.13.01 # <[Saint]> Strife89: I load the backdrop for the menus with the theme .cfg. 02.13.14 # <[Saint]> I'll try loading it with the .sbs and see what happens. 02.13.27 # <[Saint]> That *totally* shouldn't be happening. 02.13.41 # kugel: usability wise 02.13.50 # [Saint]: I loaded the theme the "normal" way (Browse Theme Files, select iLike in the list). 02.13.51 # what's wrong with it? 02.14.03 # * JdGordon| agrees 100% with rasher 02.14.07 # <[Saint]> Let me get it straight, the backdrop used in the WPS is being loaded for the menus? 02.14.11 # <[Saint]> Strife89; They way you load it shouldn;t matter. 02.14.28 # kugel: Hard to say for sure. It just feels like it's only sort of reacting to what I do 02.14.29 # someone needs to make the java ui work with androids widgets 02.14.33 # [Saint]: Yes to your question. 02.14.41 # <[Saint]> I'm talking about the way the theme itself loads its backdrop for the menus. 02.14.45 # [Saint]: Again, r27796; I JUST noticed. 02.14.47 # I mean, you can touch the bar and move the entire list with it or simply click on empty space to jump to the location. on android the scrollbar is in most situations a mere indicator 02.14.56 # <[Saint]> Strife89: That is *really* weird. 02.15.42 # <[Saint]> perhaps it is getting confused as they are both named the same...but, they are in totally different locations...and the theme .cfg points to the correct file. 02.15.51 # kugel: but it feels like I'm poking at it to coax it into doing what I want, rather than simply controlling it directly 02.15.59 # <[Saint]> It never used to do this...right? 02.16.03 # <[Saint]> Strife89: ^ 02.16.20 # <[Saint]> ie. you updated, and...boom? 02.16.32 # * kugel can't parse that 02.16.33 # [Saint]: I didn't see it do this until just a few minutes ago, when I updated my copy of the build. 02.16.58 # <[Saint]> Strife89: Do you have an old build lying around? 02.17.05 # <[Saint]> the one you were running? 02.17.06 # [Saint]: Yes, thankfully. 02.17.21 # I mass-archived my .rockbox folders from my DAPs. 02.17.23 # <[Saint]> Does reverting fix the theme? 02.17.38 # [Saint]: Let me get back to you on that. 02.17.54 # <[Saint]> Thankyou, it would be nice to know a GOOD/BAD revision. 02.19.19 # Why, Windows, why? 02.19.31 # *channel shift* 02.20.06 # kugel: well it doesn't feel like it's really responding to what I'm doing 02.20.39 Join evilnick [0] (evilnick@ool-4a5909aa.dyn.optonline.net) 02.22.06 # [Saint]: The problem does NOT occur in r27759. 02.22.31 # rasher: strange, I cannot really confirm that. I will ask some mates in my uni (one has a galaxy s) after the break 02.23.43 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.23.55 # Copying r27796 back over, reboot, and .... 02.24.05 # Presto, problem's back. 02.29.14 Quit komputes_ubuntu (Remote host closed the connection) 02.34.02 # <[Saint]> Strife89: So, 27759 == GOOD, 27796 == BAD? 02.34.19 # <[Saint]> Woops... 02.34.27 # [Saint]: So it seems ... but I'm not sure where the problem begins. 02.34.27 # * [Saint] wonders what happened there. 02.34.44 # Wait, you did that? 02.34.48 # <[Saint]> well, at least there is a range I can work from. 02.34.55 # I thought XChat was bugging out on me. XD 02.35.09 # <[Saint]> Apparently I triggered some kind of flood somehow. 02.35.23 # * [Saint] shrugs 02.36.05 # <[Saint]> It narrows it to 35 revisions...which isn't so bad I guess. 02.36.20 # <[Saint]> If you're able to narrow it any further, it'd be appreciated. 02.36.46 # <[Saint]> (but, not necessary...I can do it if need be, just not right now) 02.38.40 # I'll attempt it in a bit; right now, I'm trying to rebuild my .rockbox folders from scratch. 02.39.24 # [Saint]: http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html shows 3 related commits, but I hadn't considered any of the them to be the cause 02.39.41 # [Saint]: Does %ax flip image coordinates? 02.40.08 # <[Saint]> bieber: No. 02.40.26 # <[Saint]> Only %V, %Vl, and %Cl IIUC 02.40.48 # <[Saint]> and alignment tags inside %V and %Vl 02.41.39 # UMM.... 02.41.51 # <[Saint]> Oh....wait, if an image is called inside a viewport, then it will mirror its coordinates also. 02.41.57 # <[Saint]> is that what you're asking? 02.42.01 # Yeah 02.42.02 # <[Saint]> bieber: ^ 02.42.07 # <[Saint]> Ah, then yes. 02.42.07 # ax will set a viewport to align right which means that 0,0 will be the top *RIGHT* corner not left 02.42.24 # Oh, okay 02.42.35 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: It does a bit more than that. 02.42.43 # bieber: I made your job abit harder last night :) Do you handle the list icons at all yet? 02.43.23 # So now, if it does that, then what is the point of putting a %ax before a %Cl? 02.43.27 # JdGordon|: List icons? 02.43.42 # I'm not sure %Cl need ax 02.43.53 # the iconset loaded for the lists 02.44.02 # I made that dislkayeable with the %xd tag 02.44.11 # displayable* 02.44.23 # I don't know anything about the iconsets 02.44.32 # What's the syntax for it? 02.44.45 # its loaded in the cfg 02.44.54 # <[Saint]> bieber: %ax before %Cl will swap the position the AA is loaded. Just like it would an image. 02.45.05 # I made it so if the flename for %xl is __list_icons__ it uses that image strip. 02.45.10 # <[Saint]> AA isn;t necessarily called in an AA sized/shaped viewport 02.45.57 # <[Saint]> But, there doesn't seem to be *much* point to it, no. 02.46.06 # <[Saint]> %V and %Vl are the important ones. 02.46.35 # Okay, so just look for the special filename __list_icons__ and transform it into the settings value for the list iconset? 02.46.38 # What's the key for that? 02.49.32 # <[Saint]> kugel: The theme .cfg loads a backdrop from .rockbox/backdrops/Backdrop.bmp, the .wps and .fms load a backdrop from .rockbox/wps/iLike/Backdrop.bmp, *somehow* the .sbs is loading the backdrop from .rockbox/wps/iLike/Backdrop.bmp instead....despite the fact that the theme .cfg clearly points to the correct path/file. 02.51.31 Join angelwolf71885 [0] (chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com) 02.52.15 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.16) 02.52.20 # I _think_ it's getting all messed up because they share the same name "Backdrop.bmp", but...this is only a recent thing. 02.52.28 # Eeeeek, fell off the internet. 02.52.45 # This backdrop loading bug/thing/fuckup is certainly a weird one. 02.53.39 # Strife89: has narrowed the revisions somewhat...I haven't looked at the range yet though. 02.53.45 # [Saint]: that's most likely my fault, I'll have alook tomorrow 02.53.57 # Is there any one commit that stands out as a potential cause of this? 02.54.15 # r27791 I think 02.54.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.54.21 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02.54.25 # I'll have a look, thanks. 02.54.46 # kugel: Is it because the images share the same name? 02.54.54 # no idea yet 02.55.11 # it's just a very related commit so 02.55.52 # Aha. I'll try to see if I can work around it for now by loading the backdrop from inside the wps/iLike folder with the .sbs instead of the theme .cfg 02.56.22 # I'll have to change the filename, but, that is a non-issue 02.56.40 # or you are patient until I had a look :p 02.56.54 # that's up to you though :) 02.57.09 # I know, regardless if a bug can/can't be fixed I like to know I have alternate ways of doing things ;) 02.57.17 # It gives me excuses to experiment :P 02.57.43 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 02.59.23 # Strife89: If you'd like, or if you can...you could try building 27790 and see if that revision is good, and, if it is try building 27791 and see if it is bad. 02.59.51 # S_a_i_n_t: I would, but I haven't set up a build environment on this machine yet. :( 02.59.58 # No worries if you can't though, I could do it later this evening. 03.00.08 # Which I want to do anyway, to patch and compile with FS#8806. 03.00.09 # Ok, no worries. 03.07.09 # S_a_i_n_t: is the sbs and wps using the same theme name? 03.07.40 # are they both iLike.wps and iLike.sbs? 03.08.20 Quit piotrekm (Quit: piotrekm) 03.08.57 Quit Ludo6431 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.10.26 # I understand that the current cygwin setup instructions are not up to date .... Can I get some clarity on what exactly should be done? 03.10.42 # install the linux vm :) 03.14.29 # kugel: for what its worth, the native android list things have the advantage of being pretty well optimized (e.g. NEON acceleration in the drivers) whereas our drawing code is not 03.14.52 # furthermore, they're supposedly going to be GPU/DSP rendered at some point in future releases 03.15.13 # so in the long term there might be significant advantages 03.15.31 # JdGordon|: Yes. 03.15.37 # Of course 03.15.46 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.16.26 Quit Strife89 (Disconnected by services) 03.16.30 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-152-152.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.17.36 # S_a_i_n_t: ah never mind, read the other half of the discussion... seems you have the answer? 03.17.48 # Nup. 03.19.59 # Hm, where's the default font and icons set? And the size of the icons buffer? 03.21.01 # Okay, first question figured out 03.21.10 # settings_list.c 03.21.35 # icons are current hard coded to have ebnough space for 24x24 iirc 03.21.46 # apps/gui/icon.h probably 03.21.51 # or icon.c 03.23.02 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 03.23.55 Quit amiconn (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.24.05 Quit pixelma (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 03.24.51 # yeah, icon.c 03.24.52 # Thanks 03.27.37 # thats another buffer which we should get directly from the host eventually 03.28.05 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 03.31.01 Join amiconn [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 03.31.31 Join pixelma [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 03.32.24 Join CaptainKwel [0] (~jason@207-38-215-126.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.37.06 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 03.42.45 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.42.52 Quit Strife89 (Disconnected by services) 03.42.58 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.44.41 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.45.59 Quit Strife89 (Disconnected by services) 03.46.03 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.47.36 Quit MethoS- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.02.18 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 04.03.18 Quit angelwolf71885 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 04.05.40 # New commit by 03bieber (r27798): Theme Editor: Altered implementation of %ax tag so that viewport now simply mirrors itself across the screen. 04.07.33 # r27798 build result: All green 04.13.16 # Some feedback I collected. http://pastebin.com/H3vFWdCQ 04.16.30 # JdGordon|: When loading the icons list in a %xd, is there an implied number of images in the strip, or does the user still specify it explicitly? 04.16.48 # implied 04.17.03 # 32+ 04.17.37 # maybe just draw a solid block of fontheight*font_height for the image 04.17.41 # v2 Fuzes' OF have a version number that starts with 03., right? 04.19.22 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 04.20.15 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.20.18 # Crap, I can't find the info and I could use an answer fast 04.20.19 # Strife89: no, Fuzev2 OF is 02. 04.20.23 # Ah. 04.20.50 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@cpe-174-099-091-186.nc.res.rr.com) 04.22.12 # JdGordon|: Do you mean the height of the default font? 04.22.29 # no, the height of the users font choice 04.23.04 # those icon sizes are guessed and they cant be taller than the font height 04.23.14 # and they are usually square 04.23.32 # As in the font of the current viewport, or is that a device setting? 04.23.48 # Hmm, so I should be safe if I just use the width of the image as the height? 04.23.51 # the font being used of the ui viewport 04.24.14 # ? 04.24.30 # The width of the bitmap strip, that is, as the height of each individual icon 04.25.08 # yes 04.25.11 # no 04.25.13 # Hello, all. I know i've probably asked this before, but how are joke apps like rockblox1d included in favor of a usable dictionary app? Will rockbox provide a repository precompiled binaries for plugins in the future? 04.25.14 # well... 04.27.17 # Also there are some excellent patches like the antialiasing patch that are not included in the vanilla rockbox build. To get them you have to cross-compile rockbox to ARM on a laptop or something which isn't that hard, ( Very well documented ) but it takes a while and might scare some people away. :P 04.28.15 # enthdegree: well, developers only have a limited amount of time, for a plugin to get commited it needs a dev to have the time/energy/motivation to get it in 04.28.34 # then there are the patches which are not wanted (mabe in their current form), like that aa patch 04.29.02 # JdGordon|: Is "iconset" the config key I want for the list icons? 04.29.12 # I think so 04.29.21 # I wouldnt really bother loading it if you dont want 04.29.40 # Eh, may as well 04.29.52 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev) 04.29.53 # That is true. 04.32.30 Join Vixie [0] (~Vixie@adsl-154-151-123.cae.bellsouth.net) 04.32.46 # * Vixie waves. 04.34.19 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 04.38.47 # Is the automated method usable for the v2 Fuzes? 04.38.58 # JdGordon|: Ping. 04.39.08 # buuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrp 04.39.21 # .... Nice. 04.39.51 # JdGordon|, do you have a few minutes? 04.40.48 # yeah, not doing very much atm 04.41.22 # JdGordon|: Vixie is interested in putting Rockbox on their Fuze v2. 04.41.29 # * Vixie blush. 04.41.55 # And I've not used the automated method for that model. 04.42.10 # * Strife89 used the manual method for a Fuze v1. 04.42.28 # automated should just work 04.42.50 # Also, IIRC Vixie is using Ubuntu. 04.42.56 # Right 04.43.40 # Okay, just installed the bootloader. ... I think. 04.43.44 # JdGordon|: Doesn't rbutil automatically download the files needed to make the bootloader? 04.43.52 # no idea 04.43.52 # For the Fuzes, I mean. 04.44.33 # For the Fuzes it's more of a modded OF than a "normal" bootloader. 04.45.01 # Vixie: After the bootloader's installed, installing the build is cake (manually or not). 04.45.21 # okay, so 04.45.33 # do I want to install the fonts package, et al, prior to actually installing it on my device? 04.45.38 # or after? 04.46.16 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.46.18 # Either way works for the extras (fonts, themes, etc.). 04.46.44 # They're essentially just a bunch of files, formal installation isn't necessary. 04.46.46 # Any recommendation? 04.47.18 # Oh 04.47.25 # IMO, fool around with Rockbox for a bit, decide whether you want to keep it, and then move on to the extras. 04.47.27 # Apparently I have to install Rockbox first regardless 04.47.46 # Technically yes. :) 04.48.56 # Hmm, the v2 Fuzes don't support USB yet. 04.49.03 # ... eep? 04.49.10 # If you plug in the cable, it'll reboot to the OF. 04.49.16 # So you can charge and transfer data. 04.49.29 # So... can I not do it, then...? 04.49.51 # Vixie: You can boot into the OF at any time by holding Prev. while turning on the power. 04.49.56 # Vixie: ? 04.50.27 # I thought you said it doesn't support USB? 04.50.29 # * Vixie is a bit lost. 04.50.35 # Vixie: Just Rockbox itself. 04.50.50 # So, can I not get Rockbox onto it, then? 04.50.57 # Vixie: As long as your Fuze is in the original firmware (OF), USB is availible. 04.51.02 # Oh 04.51.04 # Okay 04.51.10 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.51.20 # ...so, wait 04.51.33 # I wouldn't be able to transfer music that way, though? 04.51.45 # Vixie: But Rockbox itself currently does not support data transfers - so if you try to plug it into the computer, it reboots into the OF. 04.51.56 # Hence allowing you to transfer music, etc. 04.52.01 # So it is not a terribly huge deal, then 04.52.11 # Pretty much, just a tad annoying. :) 04.52.26 # I lived with it on my Sansa c250 for almost a year. :P 04.54.02 # leave "Don't use locally cached copy" unchecked? 04.54.12 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.54.14 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.54.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.54.30 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.54.40 # Vixie: Yeah, I believe so, but lemme ask. 04.54.43 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.54.46 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.54.49 # pixelma, did you catch the question? 04.54.59 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590fc655.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.55.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.55.28 # Vixie: I assume it's preparing to download the build? 04.55.36 # Yeah 04.55.46 # Yeah, leave that box unchecked, then. 04.56.49 # Might come in handy if you're ever stuck offline. 04.56.59 # "Not enough disk space." ohboy 04.57.03 # :/ 04.57.08 # should I.. wipe it first? 04.57.17 # Delete a song or two. 04.58.10 # Vixie: Were you putting songs on the Fuze with MSC or MTP? 04.58.36 # eh? 04.58.50 # I was putting them on with Rhythmbox? .-.; 04.58.50 Quit Barahir_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.58.53 # Vixie: You know ths USB Mode option in the OF? 04.59.05 # Which setting was it on? 04.59.09 # I don't... remember 04.59.15 # Hmm. 04.59.15 # that doesn't sound familiar at all 04.59.24 # okay well I deleted a few things 04.59.42 # Hmmm .... Try to install the build again and we'll go from there. 05.00.00 # Still not enough space 05.00.16 # Hmmm. 05.00.29 # I suspect MTP mode is to blame. 05.00.55 # So should I unplug it and check? 05.01.02 # Hmmm. 05.01.04 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.01.31 # The bootloader is installed, so further installation is cake. 05.01.46 # Do so, then? 05.01.48 # Stop the process for now and safely unmount the Fuze, then disconnect it. 05.03.01 # ... okay 05.03.07 Quit Zarggg (Quit: Zarggg) 05.03.08 # I try to turn it on, and it says not enough space 05.03.10 # and shuts off 05.03.18 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.1) 05.03.50 # Vixie: Hmm, wasn't expecting that. 05.04.42 Quit AndyI (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.05.25 # "not enough space for music DB. please free 90MB" 05.05.35 # Vixie: what happens if you plug in the USB cable now? 05.05.55 # Nautilus opens 05.06.18 # so I can still go through the folders and stuff 05.06.21 # but I deleted all the music 05.06.50 # Vixie: Try connecting the cable while the Fuze is off, then disconnect it when you see the Fuze logo. 05.07.27 # same 05.08.00 # error message, that is 05.09.34 # Hmmmm. 05.10.42 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.10.47 # mc2739: IIRC there's a way to reset the OF at boottime, but I forget the method. Any ideas? 05.11.06 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.84.62) 05.11.36 Join G4Oblivion [0] (~48281c8e@giant.haxx.se) 05.12.02 Join AndyI [0] (~pasha_int@212.14.205.32) 05.12.10 # Should I just format it? 05.12.15 # Vixie: try this: with power off, switch hold on, press and hold the left button (|<<) and then plug in the USB 05.12.20 # did that 05.13.14 # For the Nano 2G problems I would check commits from june 20th - 21st. June 20th - 21st is when this started happening. 05.13.24 # now run a disk check - fsck.vfat (I think) 05.13.38 # er... how? .-. 05.13.38 # I don't having anything setup right now to compile/revert. Just giving a heads up. 05.14.19 Quit G4Oblivion (Client Quit) 05.14.28 # sudo fsck.vfat /media/SANSAFUZE I think 05.15.31 # no such directory 05.15.42 # looks like it might be 0123-4567 05.16.05 # mc2739: Any arguments needed? 05.16.12 # vixie@Falda:~$ sudo fsck.vfat /media/0123-4567 05.16.13 # dosfsck 3.0.7, 24 Dec 2009, FAT32, LFN 05.16.13 # Read 512 bytes at 0:Is a directory 05.16.31 # Fuze needs to be unmounted 05.16.57 # S_a_i_n_t: wanna try a quick change for the backdrop snafu? 05.17.35 # Vixie: sudo umount /dev/sdb 05.17.46 # Vixie: Then run the fsck command again. 05.18.01 # I'm assuming with the /dev/sdb bit. 05.18.05 # yeah 05.18.11 # I'm not... sure what it actually is 05.18.13 # JdGordon|: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100314-092002.bmp 05.18.33 # umount: /dev/sdb: not found 05.18.35 # coool! 05.18.39 # Vixie: Open System Monitor and look at the File Systems (or was it Resources?) tab. 05.18.45 # Vixie: It'll tell you there. 05.18.53 # Strife89: if you can do builds there is a quick patch which prob fixes that 05.18.58 # aha, /sdc 05.19.03 # okay 05.19.05 # should be unmounted 05.19.14 # it poofed under File Systems 05.19.23 # run disk check again? 05.19.29 # JdGordon|: I was working on getting a cygwin environment set up. 05.19.31 # Vixie: Yeah. 05.20.02 # JdGordon|: But yeah, that looks pretty odd. 05.20.34 # oh crud.. I dont even have a box I can ssh into from here anyway :/ 05.20.40 # JdGordon|: How much do you know about working with cygwin? 05.20.59 # enough to not use it :) 05.21.04 # 'Cause I set it up and wound up with a Home directory with a fucking space in it. 05.21.12 # Strife89: ... directory not found 05.21.22 # Which is fatal to any build environment. 05.21.35 # Vixie: Ah, I'm an idiot. Here .... : 05.21.56 # Vixie: sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdc 05.22.32 # FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? 05.22.32 # 1) Use first FAT 05.22.32 # 2) Use second FAT 05.22.52 # take your pick 05.22.56 # does it matter? 05.23.02 # Select one and we'll go from there. 05.23.09 # First one if you can't decide. 05.23.13 # Guess I'll do 1, then 05.23.18 # mc2739: are you getting that backdrop bug? 05.23.20 # no, you have a 50/50 chance of picking the right one 05.23.41 # JdGordon|: no, haven't updated yet 05.23.49 # Reclaimed 10725 unused c 05.23.49 # Free cluster summary wro 05.23.49 # 1) Correct 05.23.49 DBUG Enqueued KICK Vixie 05.23.49 # 2) Don't correct 05.23.51 # assuming 1 here 05.23.55 # yes 05.24.07 # okay 05.24.10 # mc2739: can you? and then can you check a one word patch? (and commit it?) 05.24.18 # sure 05.24.20 # JdGordon|: Wait, so that background thing is a bug y'all are working on ATM? 05.24.31 # went back to prompt now; try seeing if I get the error message now? 05.24.47 # Vixie: Never hurts to scan again. :) 05.24.51 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_backdrops.c?r1=27790;r2=27791;pathrev=27791 the bottom change is wrong, but backdrop_dir back to bmpdir and it shold fix it 05.24.56 # okay, then 05.25.05 Join guymann [0] (~charlie@69.182.43.111) 05.25.13 # Hunh 05.25.15 # Strife89: no, but im not doing anything and the change seems to be identified 05.25.16 # same exact thing 05.25.18 # Vixie: Just to make sure there aren't any other issues. 05.25.39 # Vixie: Meaning? 05.25.50 # Vixie: Two FATs? 05.26.00 # yes, and then same thing when I say 1 05.26.35 # Continue with the run, and when it finishes, close the terminal and disconnect the Fuze. 05.27.04 # Same error message 05.27.15 # =/ 05.27.38 # Filesystem problems rear their ugly head. 05.28.04 # I don't understand if there's nothing on it... 05.28.05 # Just so happens that we fleshed 'em out during this install. 05.28.37 # ... hm 05.28.43 # mc2739: Any ideas? My tired brain's running dry. 05.28.45 # the .trash folder is still full 05.29.02 # Nuke it. 05.29.43 # "Firmware upgrades in progress." 05.29.51 # Ah, there we go. 05.29.55 # Leave it be for a bit. 05.30.22 # The bootloader wasn't even installed yet - you didn't have enough space! 05.30.59 # Perhaps this should be alluded to in the manual - if not rbutil itself. 05.31.38 # Vixie: Don't worry, it's not usually this troublesome to install Rockbox. >.< 05.32.01 # Vixie: And this bit is basically a one-time deal; upgrading your copy of Rockbox takes all of 30 seconds. 05.32.19 # should it be plugged in right now? (it's not) 05.32.26 # No. 05.32.30 # Wait for it to reboot. 05.32.37 # well, it's just... off right now 05.32.44 # Turn it on real quick. 05.32.58 # If you get an error message, reboot and hold left. 05.33.38 # JdGordon|: patch? 05.33.55 # http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_backdrops.c?r1=27790;r2=27791;pathrev=27791 the bottom change is wrong, put backdrop_dir back to bmpdir and it shold fix it 05.34.03 # okay 05.34.09 # just got the "refreshing your media" message 05.34.13 # and everything's normal 05.34.13 # Vixie: \o/ 05.34.20 # Vixie: Okay, we're almost there, then. 05.34.26 # try installing again, then? 05.34.45 # Vixie: Might as well introduce you to manual updates. 05.34.50 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05.34.52 # They're easy enough. 05.35.06 # You just unzip a folder and then copy it to the root of the Fuze. 05.35.15 # Vixie: First, let's check the USB mode. 05.36.03 # Vixie: Once the Database Refresh completes, go to Settings, then System Settings. 05.36.03 # okay, plugged it in 05.36.24 # oh 05.36.29 # haha right 05.36.40 # Vixie: Then, scroll to USB Mode, and choose MSC. 05.36.46 # it's already on MSC 05.36.57 # Ah. 05.37.01 # Good, then. :) 05.37.45 # Vixie: Plug in the Fuze and go to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 05.38.30 # pick latest/ 05.38.31 # *? 05.38.38 # Vixie: Normally, I'd have you get the latest, but ... 05.38.45 # manual, then? 05.39.05 # Vixie: That's the instruction manual. :) 05.39.12 # Get it anyway for reading. 05.39.17 # thank you, English language 05.39.25 # Vixie: Get this .zip for now. http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansafuzev2/rockbox-sansafuzev2-20100810.zip 05.40.01 # Vixie: Extract the zip to your Fuze (or extract it to the computer and then copy the .rockbox folder). 05.40.31 # Vixie: A folder named .rockbox should be in your Fuze's root directory. 05.41.24 # Vixie: Finally, make a music folder and put all your music in it. How you arrange it, the folder name, etc., does not matter. 05.41.53 # Just don't put your music in .rockbox. :) 05.43.04 # Once you've done that, safely unmount the Fuze, unplug it, and reboot, without pressing Left. 05.43.45 # okay, there's already the default "MUSIC" 05.43.47 # should I just leave it? 05.44.04 # You can if you want, but it's hidden by default. 05.44.20 # It's the OF's fault for it being hidden. 05.44.29 # it's... not hidden?... 05.44.41 # the only default hidden folder was ".trash-1000" 05.44.42 # It doesn't appear to be hidden in Linux. 05.44.56 # In Windows, and therefore Rockbox, however, it IS hidden. 05.45.21 # so, uh, does that not matter for me, then? 05.45.35 # If you still want to put your music there, that's fine. 05.45.48 # it wouldn't make a difference? 05.45.53 # ... oh wait 05.45.53 # Just enable "Show all files" for the file browser once you're in Rockbox. 05.45.58 # Ah, now I see 05.46.03 # hm 05.46.09 # yeah I think I'll leave it 05.46.24 # Just make some new folder, then, if you like. 05.46.51 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 05.46.51 # * Vixie creates a "stored_music" folder. 05.47.37 # JdGordon|: reverted the last change (line 88) and backdrop still does not load 05.49.18 # Strife89: when I reboot, it still goes to the default interface 05.49.42 # Hmm. 05.49.57 # The firmware upgrade wasn't modified properly, then. 05.50.06 # JdGordon|: completely reverting r27791 corrects backdrop problem 05.50.30 # mc2739, JdGordon|: Any ideas how to resolve this? 05.50.48 # Vixie: Leave some free space. ~100 MB. 05.51.08 # Just in case. 05.51.21 # And just for now, at least. 05.51.26 # Strife89: some newer Fuze v2s need the latest bootloader and mkamsboot installed manually 05.51.34 # Ah. 05.51.37 # Poop. 05.52.21 # follow the manual installation instuctions here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS 05.52.49 # mc2739: ok then, kugels problem 05.59.46 # JdGordon|, mc2739: So, use r27790 to avoid that backdrop issue for now? 05.59.58 # Refer to the screenshot I linked earlier./ 06.00.14 # ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100314-092002.bmp ) 06.00.23 # sounds like it 06.00.30 # * JdGordon| forgot to update his ipod last night :'( 06.02.25 # I assisted with patching the OF upgrade to install the Rockbox bootloader. Moment of truth now. 06.08.22 # Vixie: So, is it in Rockbox? 06.09.36 # yeah 06.09.54 # \o/ 06.10.00 # :D 06.10.20 # Vixie: I recommend that you play with it and read the manual. 06.10.35 # Vixie: Look around in the Settings menus, in particualr. :) 06.11.02 # s/particualr/particular/ 06.11.15 # Vixie: Enjoy. :) 06.11.39 # (signed: The Rockbox devs) 06.13.22 # haha thanks :3 06.13.22 Quit bunnyboi (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.33.59 Quit Vixie (Quit: rebooting) 06.38.10 Quit anewuser (Quit: FAMICOMPO 7 - August 15 Through August 31 JST - http://midr2.under.jp/compo/vol7/index.html) 06.38.36 # Hmmm, suddenly Vixie's computer isn't recognizing her FUze/. 06.38.44 # mc2739: Ping. 06.49.50 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) 06.54.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.38 # my e200 tells me "data abort at ..." and i cant find a way to reset or reboot... maybe i'm overlooking something in the manual (not born with english tounge)? 07.06.13 # hold the power button. i think it takes 10 or 15 seconds 07.06.29 # ok... i didnt try it that long... 07.06.32 # checking... 07.06.52 # \o/ 07.07.00 # big thanks! 07.07.32 # that happened while trying to remove stations from the radio preset list 07.09.00 # For the logs: Vixie's final problem was that the OF reset the USB Mode setting to Auto-detect, which Ubuntu doesn't play well with. 07.09.17 # Changing it back to MSC allowed it to mount again. 07.12.09 Quit CaptainKwel (Quit: Ex-Chat) 07.14.27 Quit sasquatch (Quit: rockbox didnt like my other usb-hd) 07.19.34 # so, what would be the best bet for running Rockbox on an 800x480 touchscreen device? 07.20.24 # Nokia N900, specificly 07.21.26 # figure out deps and use a sim for a touch-based target? 07.22.28 # or would an actual RaaA port be needed/best? 07.23.30 # it's a busybox/linux/X11 device 07.23.35 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4DFA9.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.24.20 Join user890104_ [0] (~Venci@212.233.135.74) 07.24.27 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 07.24.54 Quit user890104 (Disconnected by services) 07.25.04 Nick user890104_ is now known as user890104 (~Venci@212.233.135.74) 07.26.17 Quit Horschti (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 07.32.00 # Dhraakellian: you should be able to build a sdl Raaa build, you just need to make that work on the n900 then 07.33.27 # jdgordan: so mostly a matter of having the proper deps? 07.34.00 # ...and sdl raaa compiled for ARM? 07.36.38 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FC63D0A.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.38.26 Quit pjm0616 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.39.48 Join pjm0616 [0] (~user@110.9.28.120) 07.44.38 Quit JdGordon| (Quit: leaving) 07.54.54 Join FlynDice [0] (~FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.55.38 Join roxasisalive [0] (~d8eca188@giant.haxx.se) 07.55.53 # Hello room 07.56.20 # o/ 07.56.47 # As of now i am using rockbox on my sansa e200 v1... are there any new games or applications? 07.57.09 # if i were to update 07.57.21 # roxasisalive: Nothing notable, mostl likely. 07.57.30 # roxasisalive: What revision are you using? 07.57.34 Quit FlynDice (Remote host closed the connection) 07.58.46 # i was getting my mp3 07.59.08 # the rev. is ver 3.6 07.59.55 # roxasisalive: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges 08.00.25 # You are a saint Strife89 08.00.37 # No new plugins, but a handful of notable improvements (plus several unmentioned ones). 08.00.55 # hmm radio skins 08.00.57 # Nah, S_a_i_n_t is. ;P 08.01.12 # where would i find those 08.01.25 # your a saint 08.01.33 # They're included with a handful of themes, but not many. 08.01.42 # hmm 08.02.07 # well, arent they just wps images? 08.02.17 # Obviously you need to update your build first, in any case. 08.02.18 # But! 08.02.20 Nick Slasheri_ is now known as Slasheri (miipekk@xen.ihme.org) 08.02.38 # I advise you to not update to the current revision right now. 08.02.47 # Something broke WPS rendering. 08.02.48 Quit Slasheri (Quit: Reconnecting) 08.02.48 # why is that? 08.02.52 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 08.02.53 # oh 08.02.57 # However, 08.02.59 # thanks for telling me 08.03.22 # roxasisalive: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200v2 08.03.30 # r27774 should be fine for now. 08.03.33 # i use v1 08.03.37 # not v2 08.03.45 # Ah, whoops. 08.03.55 # Sorry. 08.03.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 08.04.10 # its sad that sadisk is cannceling the sansansa line 08.04.15 # sansa* 08.04.22 # I was not aware they were. 08.04.30 # Unfortunate indeed. :/ 08.04.34 # New commit by 03bieber (r27799): Theme Editor: Enabled __list_icons__ special file name for %xl tags 08.04.53 # yeahm if you look for a sansa e200 series mp3 they will be like 50 bucks for a used one 08.05.04 # thats a sign that they are becoming rare 08.05.04 # roxasisalive: If you want to update, I recommend this package. http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200-20100812.zip 08.06.33 # r27799 build result: All green 08.06.39 # Hey everyone in the room, i have an important suggestion... if you think that in the future your mp3 players screen may get broken i should suggest you download the voice thing for rockbox 08.06.52 # it worked for my sansa 08.07.17 # if your sansa's screen breaks atleast you have the voice telling you what your looking at 08.07.34 # roxasisalive: On that note, update your voice file as well. 08.07.46 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/voices/sansae200-20100812-english.zip 08.07.59 # thanks again 08.08.04 # you are very helpful 08.08.07 Join LinusN [0] (linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.08.21 # I don't see any themes for the e200 that have an FMS. 08.08.33 # you know how they have doom on rockbox 08.08.41 # what if they could have wolf 3d 08.09.04 # is it an incompatiblity thing 08.09.35 # I suppose it might be possible; if so, then there's probably just a lack of interest from coders. 08.10.05 # i bet duke nukem would get an app 08.10.56 # but im just chewing the fat and throwing ideas around 08.13.16 # i wonder if the ipod touch could have rockbox support... 08.13.39 # That has been gone over many times. 08.14.04 # There's been a lot of work on Rockbox as an Application (RaaA). 08.14.15 # neat 08.14.15 # The current focus is an Android port. 08.14.29 # it sounds useful 08.14.50 # If the devs are interested and they come up with a way, then MAYBE the iPod Touch will see Rockbox. 08.15.06 # I wouldn't get my hopes too high. 08.15.11 # i love this irc... its so quiet and there are no flamers 08.15.37 # $50 for a used e200? 08.15.50 # yes, 50 on ebay 08.15.56 # What capacity? 08.15.59 # too much, IMO 08.16.01 # 2 GB? 4? 8? 08.16.07 # more specifically... its a 4 08.16.11 # Ah. 08.16.12 # e260 v1 08.16.24 # the classic 08.16.45 # spend an extra $10 and get a refurb 8GB Fuze 08.17.03 Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.207.232.106) 08.17.12 # lol, you could just clean out the mp3 player and reload it with the lil' monsta video's and the demo mode and your looking at 90 bucks 08.17.27 # but that would be wrong 08.17.55 # I payed $45 for my refurb e260v1 two years ago 08.18.21 # i know 08.18.33 # (april '08) 08.18.44 # i dont know why sansa is trying to stop the e200 line 08.18.57 # alot of people buy it for the rockbox compatibility 08.19.09 # IT CAN PLAY GAMEBOY GAMES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! 08.19.21 # sorry for allcaps 08.19.22 # ...because its controls are rather clunky compared with the Fuze's 08.19.30 # i got ahead of myself 08.19.48 # but wasnt sansa and rockbox in agreement 08.19.49 # and the Fuze runs Rockbox pretty well, if not so long on a single charge 08.20.00 # Yeah. 08.20.07 # SanDisk didn't really give the Rockbox devs too much 08.20.13 # Fuze gets, what, 14 hours? 08.20.25 # 14 hours is 14 hours 08.20.27 # The OF claims up to 22, IIRC. 08.20.32 # a couple prototype e200v1s, if I remember the story right 08.20.50 # the FuzeV1 gets much better battery life with the OF 08.21.16 # I think I've heard that Rockbox on FuzeV2 doesn't fare quite so poorly 08.21.28 # a quick query... what is the average hours a sansa e260 v1 can get on a full charge 08.21.37 # but neither has close to the kind of optimizations the e200v1 port has 08.21.56 # roxasisalive: take a look at the SansaRuntime page on the wiki 08.21.59 # the e200v1 port in my opinion is great 08.21.59 # roxasisalive: In Rockbox? IIRC the best Battery Bench hit 19 hours. 08.22.09 # thats awesome! 08.22.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime 08.22.53 # even with the decreased battery life, though, I still think the Fuze's controls are enough nicer to be well worth it 08.23.04 Join JdGord [0] (~jdg@122.110.97.200) 08.23.59 # yeah, the fuze's scrollwheel is better and doesnt get stuck like the e200 series did 08.24.59 # dhraakellian, what mp3 player are you using? 08.25.12 # oh, and you can actually click the fuze's buttons without contorting your thumb 08.25.23 # roxasisalive: I take offense at the way you phrased that question 08.25.43 # DAPs: 8GB FuzeV1, 4GB Clip+ 08.25.46 # i am very sorry 08.25.51 # Apps: Rockbox 08.26.12 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.26.15 # well, truthfully, I shouldn't be the offended party 08.26.25 # Apps: Amarok 08.26.27 # sorry 08.26.35 Quit JdGord (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.26.40 # i should have asked what digital audio players do you utilize rockbox on 08.26.41 # wish I had RaaA on my n900 08.27.07 # but I think the n900's media player is a tweaked version of Rhythmbox 08.27.24 # what is your favorite theme? 08.27.25 # * Strife89 can only dream of RaaA on the now-depreciated Palm OS. 08.27.29 # I used to have an e260v1, but I handed that one down to my older brother when the FuzeV1 got Rockbox 08.27.46 # Strife89: deprecated? 08.28.03 # Dhraakellian: I still use a Palm TX. :) 08.28.21 # right now, on the Fuze? 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It claims to support gains in range -73 to 6 dB but according to datasheet the setting is -67 to 6 dB actually. 15.00.47 # do You know if this is for some 'historical reason' or something? 15.06.40 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 15.06.58 # New commit by 03mt (r27800): Fix a bug in the asf parser that led to dropping packets in WMA voice. WMA voice now outputs the correct number of samples/packets. 15.07.15 # the only reason I can think of is that -73 +6dB range gives nice integer division in tenthdb2master() (but yields incorrect result) 15.08.49 # r27800 build result: All green 15.12.12 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.13.05 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@adsl-75-17-124-246.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 15.14.53 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Remote host closed the connection) 15.15.40 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@95.211.0.236) 15.19.30 Quit gevaerts (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.22.01 # Please take a look at FS#11534. 15.28.44 # New commit by 03mt (r27801): Update libwmavoice's README. 15.30.17 # r27801 build result: All green 15.30.17 # * TheSeven wonders how important dualboot on nano2g is 15.30.55 # and is we should sacrifice bootup time in favor of shutdown time 15.31.06 # (and flash wear) 15.31.36 # saratoga: I don't think the neon argument is very strong 15.32.16 # and of course what to do with the current bootloader dilemma 15.35.18 # * TheSeven has the opportunity to kill a whole bunch of problems at once 15.35.43 # What is the status of h300 bootloader? 15.36.23 # S_a_i_n_t: (if you're still awake) do you still use the apple firmware one some nano2gs? 15.41.54 Join sko [0] (~AndChat@89.204.137.74) 15.44.39 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.46.06 Quit mt (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]) 15.49.24 # TheSeven: well IMHO duel boot is uselful in the unstable stage but after the GM has hit then it should be RockBox all the way 15.50.50 # kugel: can you revisit r27791 - it seems to be causing problems with backdrop loading 15.51.06 Join evilnick_B [0] (0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.51.17 # and with the nano2G boot up vs shutdown times if it takes less time the the apple FW then it dosnt matter 16.17.57 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 16.18.47 # mc2739: yes 16.19.15 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@90-224-31-157-no112.tbcn.telia.com) 16.20.04 Quit cjcopi (Quit: ... going, going, gone) 16.21.00 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.brig.cable.virginmedia.com) 16.21.41 # mc2739: works for me 16.21.53 # maybe I'm lacking some steps to reproduce 16.25.23 # kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100813#08:41:12 16.25.45 # amiconn: I saw that, do you have a better idea to do it in mind? 16.26.51 # Why do you need perl regexp there? 16.27.19 # * amiconn isn't sure what this statement is meant to do at all 16.28.32 # find if it's absolute or relative path (i.e. starts with /), like the commend above indicates 16.28.52 # there are probably easier ways but I couldn't find one 16.29.28 # * amiconn doesn't understand 16.29.55 # If $need_full_path is set to 'yes', it uses realpath to figure out the full path 16.30.58 # kugel: backdrops loaded in the themes cfg file do not load 16.31.00 # realpath only works on files/dirs that exist on the system 16.31.19 # mc2739: yep, I was missing the sbs. it works fine without 16.32.59 # Yes, but if it's not set, it means that an absolute path isn't needed 16.33.36 # I also wonder how "converting" a relative path to an absolute path by just prepending a '/' will ever work 16.34.24 # hmm well I probably forgot to rename it properly, an absolute path is actually always needed, the else case is more for cross compilations 16.35.16 # prepending the / is specifically for use with --rbdir=XXXX, so that --rbdir=.rockbox leads to /.rockbox 16.36.25 # Why not just use --rbdir=/.rockbox in this case? 16.36.51 # because since --rbdir was introduced --rbdir=.rockbox worked 16.36.53 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 16.37.03 # didn't want to break it 16.37.11 # hmm 16.38.21 # I presume the check should hit if there's a leading / ? 16.38.45 # Even with a grep that does support perl regexp (e.g. Cygwin's) this doesn't work 16.38.57 # It hit's on *any* slash, even a trailing one 16.39.02 # *hits 16.39.53 # oh 16.40.13 # A check for a leading slash is e.g. grep '^/' 16.40.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.40.37 Quit pamaury (Client Quit) 16.40.47 # And you don't need -P - grep does support regexp by itself. Dunno what's different between that and perl regexp, but for this kind of stuff it doesn't seem to matter 16.41.35 # then grep '^/' is much better indeed 16.41.53 # I didn't know it does regexp on it's own 16.41.56 # there are some quite dramatic differences between grep and pgrep, but ^/ is a better idea :) 16.42.55 # * pixelma tries another question... 16.43.14 # it looks like the need_full_path case is also taken for android where it wouldn't work 16.43.31 # "The default for the WPS screen..." - does anyone else think the "screen" is redundent there? 16.44.15 Join krazykit [0] (~kkit@206.183.182.189) 16.44.39 Join Lear [0] (chatzilla@rockbox/developer/lear) 16.46.27 # mc2739: http://pastie.org/1090516 seems to fix it 16.47.29 # it works for non-sbs because bmpdir == BACKDROP_DIR when not coming from an sbs, but when it comes from an %X-less sbs bmpdir is the .rockbox/wps/ one 16.48.38 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4CE93.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.54.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.55.57 Quit sko (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.56.07 Quit DerPapst (Read error: No route to host) 16.57.29 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-152-061.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.58.27 # S_a_i_n_t: ^ 17.00.58 Quit DerPapst (Read error: No route to host) 17.01.09 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.01.14 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-152-061.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.01.17 Join antil33t [0] (antil33t@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 17.02.55 # pixelma: Not that I'm aware of. Did anyone file one while I was a sleep? 17.02.55 Part Zagor 17.03.33 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Reboot.) 17.07.29 # kugel: looks good with that patch 17.08.42 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.09.24 # New commit by 03kugel (r27802): Fix backdrops from sbs not being loaded correctly (caused by r27791). 17.11.02 # r27802 build result: All green 17.12.05 # Strife89: can you test r27802 to see if it corrects your backdrop issue? 17.12.08 # Strife89: I didn't 17.12.29 # mc2739: Sure, give me a minute. 17.19.32 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.19.45 Quit Strife89 (Disconnected by services) 17.19.49 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife8 (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.19.51 Nick Strife8 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.20.37 Quit angelwolf71885 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 17.30.20 Join captainkewll [0] (2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.105.236.194) 17.49.14 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14) 17.56.52 # mc2739: Well, the backdrop issue seems to be gone, but ..... 17.59.31 # My iPod Video's disk churning is incessant. :/ 18.04.14 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.05.34 # Strife89: Check the disk with any scanning tools. Make sure it's not going south on you. 18.06.39 # I'll check with the desktop; Ubuntu is the host OS there. 18.07.41 # What was it again? fsck.fat /dev/sdx ? 18.08.05 # fsck.vfat IIRC. 18.08.11 # Ah. 18.08.25 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 18.12.54 # ok, I found a difference (if it's really true) between 1st and 2nd gen Ipod Mini that is already interesting for the manual. The first generation with the different wheel doesn't define "HAVE_WHEEL_ACCELERATION", is that true? 18.14.02 # well, the better question is, if it's impossible on the first gen Mini or just hasn't been done yet 18.14.13 Quit Lear (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 4.0b4pre/20100813031657]) 18.17.10 # since this is a feature and option automatically parsed, the resulting Ipod Mini manuals differ slightly. Not a big problem but the site seems to only compile the 1st gen one and symlinks this for the 2nd gen 18.23.09 # pixelma: IIRC the 1st gen mini has a simpler wheel (hardware wise) which makes proper acceleration impossible (or very hard to implement) 18.25.06 # yes, it has a different wheel which also isn't touch area aware but is it really not possible, seeing that e.g. the 3rd gen Ipod also has wheel accelaration? 18.25.29 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 18.25.49 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89Desktop (~Strife89@adsl-67-53-84.mcn.bellsouth.net) 18.26.23 # I don't know 18.27.41 # anyway. Compiling the manuals lead to slightly different manuals as I said, depending on which generation it is configured for - even though both manuals use the same platform file. I'd think that rockbox.org should be more "accurate" and compile both, especially since it already offers two different links 18.32.35 # pixelma: that should be an easy change in tools/buildspm - remove the line "manual => 'ipodmini1g', 18.32.41 # " 18.32.42 # pixelma: It hasn't been done for the older wheels (those which don't have touch position either) 18.33.05 # 3rd gen has acceleration? 18.33.21 # amiconn: there is an HAVE_WHEEL_ACCELERATION in the 3rd gen Ipod config file 18.33.43 # I guess jhMikeS 18.34.31 # mc2739: is this the build script for the dailies? 18.35.33 # Hmm, r26962 18.35.39 # pixelma: yes 18.35.49 # Why he only implemented it for 3rd Gen is a mystery though 18.35.58 # well, not really a script 18.36.04 # Wheel readout works exactly the same for all the old style wheels 18.36.09 # amiconn: the e200v1 does "async" lcd updates right? I mean it memcpy's to a magic buffer and then the hardware displays from that at some time later. am I right? 18.36.30 # mc2739: ok, still something I don't know much about 18.37.00 # pixelma: I added the HAVE_WHEEL_ACCEKLERATION define. is it possible that I made a mistake there and it doesn't actually have it? 18.38.47 Join Ludo6431 [0] (~Ludo6431@AToulouse-554-1-99-53.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.39.32 # kugel: no, jhMikeS added it to the 3rd gen together with changes to the 1st-3rd gen Ipod button driver 18.39.54 # as amiconn mentioned http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=26962 18.39.59 # I guess he only had a 3rd gen to test then 18.40.17 # I seem to have overlooked his sentence, sorry 18.41.31 # pixelma: my mistake (builds.pm) I was looking at mini2g 18.41.35 # maybe. If it is possible to just enable it for the other older Ipods then the differences between the manuals go away for now 18.42.02 # amiconn: if yes, is that good or bad? Right now it's that "async" in the android port, but I could sync it (block the calling thread until the previous lcd update has finished). of course that dramatically drops the fake-fps. I just don't know if it's good or bad (cpu usage doesn't seem to be influenced by the change) 18.42.26 # It's not just an enable. The 1g..3g driver needs adjustment (effectively removing code duplication), and it needs to be implemented for Mini 1st 18.42.39 # I remember wodz saying he has a first gen Mini 18.43.59 # kugel: lcd_update() is always synchronous, i.e. the calling thread has to wait until everything is copied either to the lcd controller, or some back buffer 18.44.17 # Other threads may run in the meantime if the copying is done using dma (e.g. on H300) 18.44.22 # yea, it copies to a back buffer now 18.44.36 # the OS updates from that back buffer once in a while 18.44.46 # and well, even if there is no difference between the result then, the daily manuals could still be more "accurate" and I don't think building one manual more or less hurts 18.44.49 # The copying from back buffer to lcd may be asynchronous. Afaik it is both on e200v1 and the beast 18.45.13 # iPod Video is similar - there our "back buffer" is actually the bcm's internal buffer 18.46.42 Join Mr_Sensitive [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.109.226) 18.49.06 Quit Dreamxtreme (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.54.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.07.34 Quit linuxguy3 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19.08.57 Join linuxguy3 [0] (~timj@adsl-75-57-176-234.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) 19.10.05 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19.13.04 # amiconn: I guess it's ok either way since you've not answered my question :) 19.13.35 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 19.13.35 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 19.13.35 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.15.07 Join chaos [0] (~chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os) 19.16.30 # kugel: It doesn't matter, as long as it is guaranteed that (a) copying to the back buffer is finished when lcd_update[_rect]() returns, and (b) each lcd_update[_rect]() triggers an update of the display from the back buffer. Whether this means cancelling a prevoius (partial) update or delaying this update doesn't matter 19.17.26 # ok, I just thought it's perhaps not so nice if some updates are skipped 19.18.39 # (a) makes sure that the back buffer resembles what should be on the lcd at all times 19.19.34 # So if you implement (b) by cancelling or skipping intermediate updates, you have to make sure your current update rectangle covers all changed areas 19.19.51 # there are no partial updates currently 19.20.28 # Copying the whole thing is easiest, of course. That's what we're doing on the bcm, because changing the rectangle would cause the internal buffer to change size, and then we couldn't use it as back buffer anymore 19.21.18 Quit GodEater (Read error: Operation timed out) 19.24.02 # I'll leave it as is then, thanks 19.29.18 Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.30.51 Join sko [0] (~sko@p57A9ABA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.36.12 # fwiw - the manuals are currently broken, easily seen in the only and html version. I already have a fix but wanted to wait until someone could tell me if there is a cleaner solution (bluebrother?) 19.36.26 # s/only/online ... 19.42.33 Quit user890104 () 19.42.56 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.46.23 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 19.46.27 Quit GodEater (Client Quit) 19.46.40 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 19.46.40 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 19.46.40 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.49.48 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Did something change in the last week or so that affected the playbar in the WPS? I can't get it to show if a viewport is visible. 21.16.46 # r27803 build result: All green 21.17.24 # Hi everyone. I just made a font for Rockbox. I figure there might be people who will want it. Where do I post it? 21.17.45 # Blue_Dude: with the recent parser rework the progressbar needs to be in a viewport too once you start using more than the default viewport 21.18.53 # Ah, that would do it. It was displayed before outside of any viewports. Are any other items affected? Icons, etc.? 21.19.48 # text I believe. As far as I know bitmaps should be unaffected 21.20.05 # Thanks. I'll give that a go. 21.24.26 # Hm, that didn't work. I've got a customization of Cabbie with several viewports. Here's how I'm trying to display the progressbar: %V(0,181,-,10,-) /// %pb(5,182,166,8,pb-176x220x16.bmp) 21.24.56 # The second line is identical to the standard cabbie line. 21.25.19 Part watto 21.25.52 # I think you want to correct the %pb parameters 21.26.08 # the y-coordinate can't be true (the 182), coordinates are relative to the viewports the item is in 21.26.49 # Oh. 21.27.07 # if your viewport is just 10 pixels tall, 182 doesn't make sense... 21.28.22 # Now we're cooking. I didn't know it was relative. 21.29.09 # This seems to work: %V(0,182,-,8,-) /// %pb(5,0,166,8,pb-176x220x16.bmp) 21.29.20 # the same applies to bitmaps and albumart (%xd and %Cd is what counts there). It's always been this way IIRC 21.30.26 # The bitmaps and viewports coexist OK, so they are still displayed using absolute coordinates. 21.31.03 # I've never tried to display an item with its own coordinates inside a viewport before. 21.31.36 # if your bitmaps are in the default viewport - then it's relative to that one... 21.31.51 # Oh, another question. Is there a button I can press to return to the WPS from anywhere? Sansa Clip+. 21.31.54 # OK, I didn't think of it that way. 21.33.03 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 21.35.48 # soaa: Home + Select if I read the keymap file correctly. The manual is wrong there currently 21.35.58 # Everything works again. Thanks! 21.37.11 # pixelma: Thanks, that works, but it requires both hands. 21.37.33 # Otherwise, I'm really enjoying RB on my brand new Clip+. 21.40.39 # you need a free button (combo) that works in menu and browsers and isn't used elsewhere 21.41.19 # That's true. 21.43.08 # the c200 uses a long press of "Right" there but that means you can't use the forced horizontal scrolling (to the right). Back then I also played with "Volume Up" but someone meant that being able to change the volume in lists would be important too 21.45.52 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 21.48.03 Join bluebro [0] (~dom@df01ppp250.eplus-online.de) 21.55.46 Quit Strife89Desktop (Quit: Leaving) 21.57.31 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.58.14 # I uploaded a WPS screen last year, but it obviously needs an update. Is there a way to update the theme zip file without redoing the theme upload from scratch? 22.01.36 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.30.84.70) 22.07.04 Quit ender` (Quit: Education is learning the rules...experience is learning the exceptions.) 22.09.49 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.11.19 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dreamxtre@92.29.246.124) 22.19.32 Quit Blue_Dude (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 22.20.19 Join leBMD [0] (~chatzilla@174-23-7-241.slkc.qwest.net) 22.20.38 # Hey guys, I was wondering about something... 22.21.43 # So, I noticed that there's now a release for the Sansa Fuze v2. Does that actually work now? Last I checked it didn't do anything. 22.22.42 # click the link 22.24.56 Join sko1 [0] (~sko@p57A9ABA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.25.49 # It gives me a download of the zip for v2, but I'm still trying to figure out if this build works before putting it on my player. 22.26.11 # Mainly since I don't want to accidentally brick my Fuze. 22.26.16 # on the front page, theres a link with information about the fuzev2 and a manual, read one or both 22.27.59 # Oh wow, it looks like it's working now! Last I checked it couldn't display yet. 22.28.03 Quit sko (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.29.12 # So, from the looks of it, the only risk is having my player freeze randomly. 22.29.17 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.31.31 Quit captainkewll (Quit: Page closed) 22.33.58 # So, when it has warnings about how I could brick my player by doing this, does it happen very often with supported models, or is it just a disclaimer for the rare chance that it will? 22.42.58 # It's a general warning; it depends on the model what the actual risk is 22.43.14 # for the Sansa devices, the only time there is an actual risk of bricking is duringthe installation of the bootloader, which you only have to do once 22.43.41 # Okay. So, if I later decide that I don't like it, can I just remove the rockbox files, or does it flash itself to the ROM? 22.43.44 # the bootloader install program checks you are giving it a known, tested version ofthe OF as input, so the only real chance of bricking is if the power were to go out while it's installing it 22.44.10 # To remove everything you can just update to the latest OF, which will erase the rockbox bootloader, and then delete the rockbox folder 22.44.59 # Okay, so if I don't want Rockbox anymore I just go to the sansa website and click to update my Fuze? 22.45.05 # leBMD: be aware that there currently is a bug that hits some Fuze v2s that make them freeze and the only way out is letting the battery run empty. Look around in the forums a but 22.45.12 # errr bit 22.45.16 # I saw that. 22.45.27 # Yeah, there is that 22.45.31 # it's not fatal, but it is annoying 22.45.33 # :) 22.45.37 # But, as long as I can still put songs on it and there's a way to fix it, I see no issue. :D 22.46.00 # well, it doesn't brick it, but you may have to wait several *days* for the battery to run dry if it happens 22.46.09 # so while it's fixable, you can't just fix it right away 22.46.40 # True, but I mainly just use it going to and from school, so I could hold off for a few days while waiting for it to die. 22.47.12 # sure, we're just making sure you know :) 22.47.22 # it doesn't happen for everyone, it seems, so you might be ok ;) 22.47.46 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4CE93.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.49.01 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-80-172-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 22.49.01 Quit krazykit (Quit: bbiab) 22.49.57 Quit Strife89 (Disconnected by services) 22.49.58 # Okay, well, I know where the latest OF is, so I guess I'll try Rockbox. 22.50.01 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-172-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 22.51.34 # whew, ok, so, I'm about to download the installer. So I just run the installer and it puts it on my Fuze, regardless of charge? Yes, I sound like a noob, but I've never done a firmware mod before. 22.53.32 Nick Strife89 is now known as Strife1989 (~Strife89@adsl-80-172-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 22.53.38 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-172-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 22.54.28 # leBMD, welcome to the Sansa club. 22.54.41 # It would be safer to do it on a full charge. 22.54.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.55.20 # should I use rockboxutil? 22.55.22 # Although, I seriously doubt there would be any real danger on doing it at half charge. 22.55.44 # I installed it on my Clip+ using the manual install procedure because I'm a junkie like that. 22.55.47 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 22.55.58 # The Wiki recommends using the official Rockbox installer though. 22.56.13 # use the utility 22.56.24 # it does exactly the same things as the manual install, just with less typing 22.56.38 # Do what Torne says. :D 22.57.09 # that's right, everyone obey me >:) 22.57.17 # Last time I really used Rockbox was back in the Gigabeat F days. My poor Gigabeat has since died. Actually, a long time ago. 22.57.23 # Crap, it requires admin. 22.57.32 # yes 22.57.37 # dos the utility run under windows 98? 22.57.43 # does* 22.57.43 # i doubt it 22.57.46 # oO 22.57.55 # also, i'm not sure if it really requires administrator privs to isntall on a sansa 22.58.00 # it does for some models, but not all 22.58.07 # you might be able to do it anyway? not sure. 22.58.13 # well, even to just open it it requires a password. 22.58.31 # that's just because it has a manifest to ask for admin privs, i think 22.58.38 # not sure if you can override it.. 22.58.47 # well, I gotta go. 22.58.50 # * Torne tries. 22.58.56 # I guess I'll do this later. Seeya! 22.58.56 # The manual install should require any admin privileges. 22.59.03 # See you, leBMD. 22.59.09 # soaa: the utility won't either, then 22.59.14 Quit leBMD (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]) 22.59.25 # it's only asking for them because it does for some models, and it has to get them when it starts if it's going to have them 23.00.13 # hm, that's kinda annoying actually.. you can't run it without them, if you say no it just exits 23.01.29 # Manual junkies like me don't get hit by logistics as much. ;) 23.02.18 # Huh, so apparently we can theme the status bar now? 23.02.22 # anyone who knows about rbutil: maybe we should set the execution level to highestAvailable in the manifest instead, and throw up a dialog box warning that it can't install if it runs into something that needs admin privs when it doesn't get it? 23.02.32 # http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb756929.aspx implies that this is a viable strategy 23.02.44 # in that if the user is able to elevate it will prompt them to 23.02.58 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection timed out) 23.03.39 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.09.20 # When will Rockbox available for Android? Can download it (for example, testing) now? 23.10.42 Join krazykit [0] (~kkit@206.183.185.8) 23.14.03 # Torne: I think it already informs about needing admin priviledges for bootloader installation on targets it needs them (haven't tried myself though) 23.15.00 # pixelma: Yes, but you can't launch it at all without giving it admin privs on Windows 23.15.05 # because its manifest says it requires them 23.15.12 # huh? 23.15.18 # so if you have a nonprivileged user who can't just click "allow", and needs to actually type an admin password.. 23.15.21 # you can't run it 23.15.24 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.15.35 # on vista/win7 23.15.40 # this doesn't apply on xp, no UAC 23.15.54 # I definitely ran Rockbox Utility as a simple user... XP though 23.16.04 # right, that doesn't use that manifest entry 23.16.11 # i just tested it on my win7 23.16.16 # it prompts me to elevate, because i am an admin user 23.16.22 # but if i say no it just doesn't run it at all 23.16.37 # and if i become a user who isn't an admin it prompts for an admin's login, and if you can't provide one it doesn't run. 23.16.58 # see the MSDN link above for the behaviour 23.16.59 # bluebrother doessn't seem to be around today, IIRC he did most of this stuff 23.17.04 # right 23.17.33 # i think if we set it to highestAvailable it will continue to prompt for users who have admin, but will just run as mortal for others 23.17.40 # speaking of which... I need to commit that manual fix 23.17.45 # they can still explicitly run it as an administrator from the right click menu if they know a suitable login 23.18.09 # i don't have any stuff to build it with to try it, though 23.21.07 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.203) 23.22.19 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.25.47 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23.27.52 Quit sko1 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.31.18 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.203) 23.34.13 # toffe82, my gigabeat f crosspad doesn't work well anymore. i'm not sure when the issue started, but it only works part of the time. sometimes i can traverse menus, but after a moment the cross won't respond and it'll keep hitting left on its own. thoughts? 23.35.53 # krazykit: the front cover press to much on the cross perhaps ? try to reconnect it or to use it without the cover, if still problem , change it 23.36.46 # New commit by 03pixelma (r27804): Fix manuals broken by r27787 - underscores have a meaning in tex and need to be escaped. Put the name into quotes like the .bmp above while at it. The ... 23.37.01 # i tried reseating the cable but it didn't seem to help. the front didn't seem to be pressing down on the cross overly hard, either 23.37.17 # i'll have to try with the front cover off 23.37.38 Quit ender` (Quit: Connection Reset by Gypsies with Wire Cutters) 23.38.39 # r27804 build result: All green 23.39.21 # is the battery in good shape? 23.40.24 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.40.24 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection timed out) 23.41.14 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.41.25 Quit Rob2222 (Quit: Rob2222) 23.41.36 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 23.42.21 Quit bluebro (Quit: leaving) 23.43.04 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDC9DA3.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.45.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-75-45-248-142.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 23.45.32 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 23.45.32 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 23.54.10 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Electrical storm.) 23.55.02 # the battery didn't seem to be bulging