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03.45.10 #       <shuffle2> is there support for file i/o within firmware? All I'm seeing is some crazy wrapper in plugin.c :p
03.45.57 #       * shuffle2 misses fopen() and friends :(
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04.06.15 #       <JdGordon|> shuffle2: open() write() read() and creat() are all there
04.06.48 #       <shuffle2> ah yea, i found file.h eventually :)
04.13.06 #       <shuffle2> is there something special that must be done to use malloc?
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04.13.19 #       <shuffle2> linker can't find the symbol
04.13.25 #       <JdGordon|> malloc doesnt exist
04.13.29 #       <shuffle2> hehe
04.13.34 #       <JdGordon|> malloc is evil!
04.13.37 #       <shuffle2> :(
04.13.43 #       <shuffle2> what is less evil?
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04.15.26 #       <shuffle2> buffer_alloc?
04.15.27 #       <JdGordon|> what do you need a buffer for?
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04.15.36 #       <JdGordon|> when/how big/how long?
04.15.40 #       <shuffle2> reading a file to mem (hopefully)
04.15.59 #       <shuffle2> i don't know how large the ram is on an ipod video, heh
04.16.22 #       <shuffle2> ~35KB
04.16.42 #       <JdGordon|> buffer_alloc() will permenantly take part of the buffer, you can borrow the plugin buffer (temporarily) or the audio buffer if audio is stopped
04.16.43 #       <shuffle2> transfer from hdd over usb
04.17.06 #       <shuffle2> i mean, from hdd and out the external usb
04.17.39 #       <JdGordon|> if audio is stopped you might be able to just use audiobuf without any fiddling (slightly dangerous though)
04.17.47 #       <JdGordon|> s/slightly//
04.17.53 #       <shuffle2> ha
04.18.20 #       <shuffle2> so what you're really saying
04.18.26 #       <shuffle2> is there's no good way to do this?
04.18.52 #       <JdGordon|> no, there are a few ways, I need a bit more info to tell you the best way though
04.18.59 #       <shuffle2> ask away
04.19.27 #       <JdGordon|> 35k? you can probably just use get_plugin_buffer()
04.19.44 #       <shuffle2> you can do this from firmware code?
04.19.46 #       * JdGordon| doesnt know which (if any) buffers usb steals to work
04.19.52 #       <JdGordon|> probably not
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04.20.51 #       <shuffle2> usb (at least on ipod video) doesn't steal any buffers
04.21.07 #       <shuffle2> it has a static one in...
04.21.19 #       <shuffle2> ibss segment iirc
04.22.25 #       <shuffle2> well it'd be nicer to have proper file i/o
04.22.41 #       <JdGordon|> open/read/write *is* proper i/o :)
04.23.00 #       <shuffle2> doesn't count if you can't put the data anywhere 
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04.23.18 #       <shuffle2> idk...i could try to stream directly from hdd
04.23.25 #       * shuffle2 smells latency issues
04.23.49 #       <JdGordon|> if you can guarenteee audio is stopped you can use audiobuf
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04.25.59 #       <saratoga> i'm pretty sure USB uses the audio buffer
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05.18.49 #       <spike__> ohh man, the new rockbox i upgraded to is much better on my sansa  fuze, lots of little problems fixed
05.19.00 #       <spike__> great job guys
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05.35.33 #       <darkenvy> hey
05.35.41 #       <darkenvy> I just got a 240gb hdd for my 5th gen
05.35.46 #       <darkenvy> anything I should know?
05.37.24 #       <JdGordon|> apart from the meaning of life you mean?
05.37.38 #       <darkenvy> yea lol
05.37.48 #       <darkenvy> more of configuration of rockbox or whatnot
05.38.38 #       <darkenvy> like I enjoy using my ipod as a flash drive but it wont support files over 4gb
05.38.46 #       <darkenvy> any way I can format as fat32 and still have rockbox?
05.39.04 #       <JdGordon|> you HAVE to have fat for rockbox to work, fat32 is best
05.40.18 #       <darkenvy> thats fine
05.40.31 #       <darkenvy> im a linux user anyways, fuck ntsc lol
05.41.06 #       <JdGordon|> you cant watch tv on your ipod
05.41.07 #       <darkenvy> so this is a noob question but how do I format to fat32 and then STILL format via window's itunes so Ic an install rockbox?
05.41.22 #       <JdGordon|> use itunes
05.41.41 #       <darkenvy> I thought itunes formats to fat
05.41.48 #       <darkenvy> fat = 4gb filesize limit?
05.42.08 #       <JdGordon|> 2GB isnt it?
05.42.17 #       <JdGordon|> fat16 might be 2, fat32 is 4
05.42.25 #       <darkenvy> ah
05.42.37 #       <spike__> kids these days
05.42.45 #       <darkenvy> so no way I can get arger files onto this unless I partitioned huh?
05.42.52 #       <JdGordon|> yes
05.43.02 #       <darkenvy> sounds good
05.43.34 #       <darkenvy> lol, thats usually my line
05.44.22 #       <darkenvy> one last thing....
05.44.57 #       <darkenvy> I had to buy another ipod just to get rockbox back. What happens when ipod 5.5s, and 5s become rare?
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05.45.18 #       <darkenvy> what else is a hdd mp3 player?
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09.17.53 #       <kugel> Zagor: did you need to fix the git mirror? I didn't see any further mention
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10.46.10 #       <mar-v-in> any plans to port rockbox to samsung players (yp-q2)
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12.34.09 #       <bug2000> You don't have permission to access /wiki/SansaAMS on this server.
12.42.50 #       <markun> bug2000: works fine here..
12.43.22 #       <bug2000> Oh, I know the issue... Thanks.
12.43.28 #       <markun> np
12.46.57 #       <bug2000> markun: I guess surfing without user agent break some sites.
12.47.21 #       <markun> never tried it :)
13.01.34 #       <JdGordon> Torne: I have the hold problem on my mini2g also, just too lazy to do anything about it
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13.18.55 #       <Torne> JdGordon: hm. you came up with the fix we committed, though! :)
13.19.32 #       <JdGordon> it possible it fixed it on my video and not the mini :/ 
13.19.40 #       * JdGordon doesnt remember even commiting it
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13.28.58 #       <Torne> well the latest guy is complaininga bout a video
13.29.14 #       <Torne> and i haven't ever had issues with my video afte rthe fix or heard anyone else who has
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13.53.55 #       <pSiKO> hello all
13.54.00 #       <pSiKO> it seem that the last RB build (28208) have trouble with sd card on sansa fuze v2
13.54.27 #       <pSiKO> as I plug the sd card RB stop to respond, is it a knows bug ??
13.55.23 #       <pSiKO> buikld from yesterday at list "see" the sd card but cannot read file
13.56.15 #       <funman> pSiKO: check the card's filesystem with windows scandisk/chkdsk or linux fsck and try again
13.56.21 #       <funman> (this not a known bug)
13.56.48 #       <pSiKO> I do, and the card is corerectly read with the OF
13.57.26 #       <pSiKO> I just put one file on the sd, and with the OF no trouble
13.57.52 #       <pSiKO> I format the sd in fat / vfat no change 
13.58.02 #       <funman> i remember such an issue but not sure if it was a fuzev1 or v2, let me look on the forum
13.58.20 #       <pSiKO> with the yesterday firmeware RB can see the sdcard and the song
13.58.36 #       <pSiKO> but can't play it
13.59.21 #       <pSiKO> I see on the forum a poste relating sdcard timming, but it's old
13.59.39 #       <funman> neither, it was on a clip+ (so, similar to fuzev2) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25726.0
14.00.09 #       <funman> if you can send me the card i could try to have a look but i don't promise success
14.00.44 #       <pSiKO> ok you think it's card issue ?
14.00.54 #       <funman> what is the spec of the card (class, size, brand); and could you write down what is written in the debug menu (system -> debug -> view disk info)
14.01.27 #       <pSiKO> ok, I will do
14.01.55 #       <funman> if it works in the OF there is no reason it couldn't work in rockbox; there might be something special that we need to do though. Some cards might not strictly adhere to the SD specifications, but hardware/software might be more or less tolerant with them
14.02.04 #       <pSiKO> I dont have the sd card  here, I will note all the info (as you tell me)
14.02.30 #       <pSiKO> that wath I thinking
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14.03.02 #       <funman> you could report in the forum thread i just linked since it looks similar
14.03.16 #       <pSiKO> ok nice
14.03.42 #       <funman> mc2739: the clipv2 picture is missing in SansaAMSUnbrick
14.03.46 #       <pSiKO> if trouble persist I send you the SDcard
14.05.40 #       <timonator> hey, i have the same problem with my clip+ and microSD cards. i should see if i can get a build environment up and running
14.06.03 #       <CIA-81> New commit by 03teru (r28209): pictureflow: ...
14.06.15 #       <pSiKO> what I found strange is the regression compared to the yesterday build
14.07.41 #       <CIA-81> r28209 build result: All green
14.11.13 #       <funman> pSiKO: there was no fuzev2 changes so the causes might be complex (different delays, code alignement)
14.11.37 #       <pSiKO> hmmm, ok
14.12.07 #       <pSiKO> very strang, on my sans e280 , the card work nice with RB
14.12.12 #       <pSiKO> sans RB build
14.12.15 #       <pSiKO> same
14.13.16 #       <pSiKO> anyway thanks a lot for the info , tomorow I come back with my card and more info
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14.25.06 #       <pSiKO> btw if someone knows a model of SDcard (at least 4GB) that work with sansa fuzev2, I can bought one and make some test
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14.55.50 #       <JdGordon> has anyone tried compiling the theme editor?
14.56.17 #       <JdGordon> I think its dependancies are messed up... changes to the libskinparser dont seem to get rebuilt :/
14.59.18 #       <JdGordon> oh don't I feel like a prat :p who changed the exe name?
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15.02.34 #       <teru> images tags look odd in CustomWPS wiki. first param is blank, e.g. "%x(, filename.bmp, x, y)".
15.02.36 #       <CIA-81> New commit by 03jdgordon (r28210): libskin_parser: fix a annoying bug where viewports required at least one line (even %Vi()). multiple %Vi lines direclty under eachother should now ...
15.04.29 #       <CIA-81> r28210 build result: All green
15.05.07 #       <JdGordon> teru: wiki edit failure :/
15.06.03 #       <pSiKO> funman: I take a new card from a friend , and the problem dispear
15.06.38 #       <funman> yes it only happens with some specific cards, most of the cards work fine
15.06.50 #       <pSiKO> my card seem to be faulty when using with RB (but wrok nice with OF)
15.07.15 #       <pSiKO> do you want some info about the faulty card  ?
15.07.47 #       <funman> yes please, just write down what is in system->debug->disk info for disk 1
15.07.50 #       <pSiKO> to try to improve RB SDcard support
15.08.00 #       <pSiKO> ok I'll do it tomorow :)
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15.17.05 #       <CIA-81> New commit by 03teru (r28211): fix crash after unplugging USB while in image viewer plugin.
15.18.54 #       <CIA-81> r28211 build result: All green
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15.37.14 #       <pixelma> teru: there's a placeholder for an image "label". Someone used <label> for it which the wiki software seems to interprete as some kind of html. I already looked at it once but I didn't know what "label" it is referring to - a label name or just an identifier character - I somehow couldn't make sense of it (and then forgot)
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15.38.19 #       <pixelma> or that you can use either - a name or a character
15.41.21 #       <teru> i see. thank you for explanation.
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17.20.38 #       <needhelp1> can you run rockbox on a virtual machine?
17.21.02 #       <needhelp1> i need to test external hardware support 
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17.28.26 #       <AlexP> not unless that vm can emulate the hardware in a dap that we support
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18.29.28 #       <darkenvy> hey can someone help me?
18.30.14 #       <darkenvy> Is it true you must compile rockbox myself in order to have a compatible 240gb hdd ipod?
18.32.43 #       <alexbobP> that sounds like a weird rule
18.32.47 #       <alexbobP> have you tried the normal installer?
18.33.05 #       <darkenvy> read here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BigDisk
18.33.21 #       <darkenvy> this is so old (2007) that it may no longer apply and may be included in the new updates
18.34.44 #       <alexbobP> dunno
18.35.25 #       <darkenvy> hmmmm
18.35.39 #       <darkenvy> its a big deal as I dont know how to gather, open and compile everything
18.35.43 #       <gevaerts> darkenvy: no
18.35.57 #       <gevaerts> large disk support was added before 3.6
18.36.03 #       <darkenvy> you use hmmm?
18.36.13 #       <darkenvy> really?
18.36.16 #       <darkenvy> so Im good to go?
18.36.20 #       * gevaerts never uses hmmm
18.36.35 #       <darkenvy> that was a typo lol
18.37.24 #       <n1s> that page is specific for Archos devices though
18.37.49 #       <darkenvy> okay
18.38.02 #       <darkenvy> Ill do the installer then and be on my way
18.39.20 #       <n1s> all hard disk based ipod ports have lba48 support enabled so it should work
18.39.58 #       <n1s> *but* we rely on the apple in rom loader to load the rockbox bootloader from disk so it needs to handle the disk as well
18.40.01 #       <alexbobP> is there any limit to how big a microsd card I can stick in my sansafuze?
18.41.35 #       <gevaerts> alexbobP: there shouldn't be
18.42.01 #       <gevaerts> SDHC specifies up to 32GB, although that's an artificial limit. Rockbox doesn't have limits for it
18.42.10 #       <darkenvy> what about the when ipod 5 and 5.5s become extinct/rare?
18.42.40 #       <darkenvy> what other slick looking device holds hdds? the archos looks ugly
18.43.49 #       <alexbobP> gevaerts: so theoretically if I had a usb to microsdhc adapter, I could connect big hard drives?
18.43.57 #       <AlexP> The archos that we support are very old and use 2.5" hdds
18.44.25 #       <AlexP> The newer hd targets are 1.8" (a couple are 1" microdrive0
18.44.30 #       <AlexP> *)
18.44.47 #       <gevaerts> alexbobP: I'd say the likelyhood of those appearing is rather small, but yes
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18.45.57 #       <alexbobP> gevaerts: aww, well I hope they do appear!  either that or rockbox will need usb host support!
18.46.22 #       <alexbobP> in order to make me even more happy than it already has (which is a lot)
18.47.35 #       <darkenvy> what about rockbox for iphone
18.47.39 #       <darkenvy> has that ever been discussed?
18.48.25 #       <darkenvy> I am kinda tired of the boring ios
18.49.53 #       <n1s> rockbox for iphone would either be an application under ios or a firmware replacement with no users
18.50.02 #       <n1s> iOS of course
18.50.55 #       <alexbobP> well if there's rockbox for android
18.51.00 #       <alexbobP> then iphone users can install android on their iphones
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19.03.23 #       <AlexP> Apple won't allow it, so it'd have to be for jail broken ones
19.03.40 #       <AlexP> Someone is of course free to do it, but there isn't much dev interest
19.05.31 #       <darkenvy> well kailbreaking is now legal and the spirit of rockbox is to break free
19.06.30 #       <Bagder> darkenvy: go ahead!
19.06.35 #       <darkenvy> oh theoreticly, if it were to happen, it would have to run at LEAST jailbroken apps. so I could see how the difficulty in designing would be
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19.07.37 #       <darkenvy> one can only dream ^^. The ipod hdd sees all 240gb :D
19.07.40 #       <darkenvy> thanks guys
19.07.40 #       <AlexP> darkenvy: It never wasn't allowed in a lot of countries
19.08.12 #       <AlexP> And Rockbox would be an app, not the OS there
19.08.51 #       <darkenvy> peace
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19.10.39 #       <Torne> darkenvy: it should work up to 2TB
19.10.51 #       <Torne> the apple firmware will fall over if you use a drive with more than 2^32 bytes of space
19.11.01 #       <Torne> er, 2^32 sectors
19.11.02 #       <Torne> :)
19.11.17 #       <darkenvy> oh wow, that would be too large
19.11.38 #       <Torne> fortunately nobody makes 1.8" hard disks that big yet
19.11.41 #       <Torne> so it's no problem :)
19.11.46 #       <darkenvy> lol
19.12.16 #       <darkenvy> anyone ever done a custom mp3 player with rockbox before?
19.12.22 #       <darkenvy> like an arduino or something?
19.12.31 #       <alexbobP> well anyways I don't see any reason apple wouldn't allow rockbox in the app store
19.12.34 #       <AlexP> Sort of, there is a thread in the forums
19.12.34 #       <Torne> yes, but not with an arduino
19.12.41 #       <AlexP> alexbobP: It duplicates functionality
19.12.42 #       <Torne> microcontrollers are not powerful enough to run rockbox
19.12.56 #       <alexbobP> AlexP: do they strike down an app for doing what they do but better?
19.12.56 #       <Torne> alexbobP: Apps are not allowed to duplicate/compete with built in functionality
19.12.59 #       <alexbobP> that's pretty egotistical
19.13.00 #       <Torne> alexbobP: Yes, absolutely
19.13.15 #       <alexbobP> this is why I am a proud non-iphone-owner
19.13.24 #       <Torne> It's also probably illegal to distribute GPL'ed software on the App Store
19.13.34 #       <Torne> because the app store agreement you have to sign conflicts with the GPL
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19.13.53 #       <darkenvy> hmmm, thats why you jailbreak it
19.14.04 #       <AlexP> alexbobP: This is Apple all over
19.14.08 #       <darkenvy> my mother friggin jailbroke her iphone and shes tech stupid
19.14.15 #       <AlexP> I'd rather buy a phone I can just use
19.14.21 #       <darkenvy> thanks to jailbreamme.com
19.14.21 #       <AlexP> But anyway, this is going off topic
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19.14.26 #       <funman> i'm ok for bashing apple but on #rockbox-community
19.14.27 #       <darkenvy> there is a topic?
19.14.48 #       <alexbobP> darkenvy: go to #rockbox-community!
19.14.49 #       <funman> the topic is rockbox, everything else is offtopic
19.14.57 #       <darkenvy> okay but no arduino project can support the rockbox kernel at all?
19.15.11 #       <alexbobP> darkenvy: you know what's even better than jailbreaing your iphone?  getting an android :D
19.15.20 #       <Torne> no. the arduino is a 16-bit AVR
19.15.33 #       <Torne> Rockbox needs a 32-bit processor and needs 10-50x as much RAM
19.15.40 #       <Torne> as an absolute minimum, ideally a lot more.
19.15.44 #       <darkenvy> (no I love androids btw, but im around macs everyday and the integration actually is quiet great)
19.16.22 #       <Torne> darkenvy: the smallest rockbox devices have 1MB of RAM iirc?
19.16.31 #       <gevaerts> 2MB
19.16.36 #       <Torne> Right.
19.16.43 #       <Torne> We could maybe go to 1MB if we tried *really hard*
19.16.50 #       <funman> no, 1MB is easily doable
19.16.57 #       <Torne> the current arduinos have 4KB i think?
19.17.07 #       <alexbobP> 4kb ram?  laaaame!
19.17.12 #       <gevaerts> There are some 1MB ports-in-progress, but I don't think any of those ever got far enough to even try to get playback working
19.17.13 #       <Torne> and they are probably 1/10th the performance of the slowest CPU we run on
19.17.28 #       <Torne> and the processor is just not wide enough
19.17.45 #       <Torne> very little of our code will work on a system where 32-bit arithmetic is an optional extra  :)
19.18.06 #       <darkenvy> then what is doable for a custom built rockbox device?
19.18.24 #       <Torne> you would almost certainly be after an ARM processor
19.18.32 #       <gevaerts> I'd say ARM with 16MB or more
19.18.33 #       <Torne> an ARM9 is probably a good bet these days
19.18.37 #       <Bagder> a lowend ARM9 is a good buy
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19.19.08 #       <gevaerts> 2MB will work, but I don't see why you should limit yourself to that if you're not trying to pinch another half dollar off the production cost
19.19.20 #       <Torne> yeah, the sdram is not that expensive
19.19.25 #       <darkenvy> stability > compatibility
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19.19.35 #       <Bagder> stability?
19.19.50 #       <gevaerts> And compatibility with what?
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19.20.05 #       <Torne> heh, the current normal arduinos have 2KB ram, only the mega one has 4kb ;)
19.20.31 #       <darkenvy> it seems that if you are trying to get it working on 2MB you are sacrofising stability at one point
19.20.40 #       <darkenvy> just to get it to maybe work on an arduino one day?
19.20.47 #       <Torne> wha?
19.20.54 #       <darkenvy> I say keep the bulk
19.20.56 #       <Torne> We already run on targets with 2 megabytes of memory
19.21.01 #       <Torne> some possible targets have one megabyte
19.21.04 #       <darkenvy> oh really?
19.21.06 #       <Torne> arduinos have two *kilobytes*
19.21.10 #       <Torne> which is 1000 times less
19.21.32 #       <Torne> they are also, probably, not too far off being 1000 times slower as well
19.21.35 #       <darkenvy> yes but apparently there is a project for a 1MB daughterboard or soemthing
19.21.42 #       <Torne> that's not going to help
19.21.44 #       <darkenvy> yaar
19.21.55 #       <Torne> an arduino is a different class of processor altogether
19.22.03 #       <Torne> it's what people normally call a microcontroller, not a microprocessor :)
19.22.08 #       <Torne> though the distinction is kinda blurry
19.22.14 #       <darkenvy> anyways I gotta go
19.22.18 #       <Torne> not being 32-bit is a dealbreaker, no matter how much ram it has
19.22.22 #       <darkenvy> thanks for the itneresting topic guys
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19.25.52 #       <alexbobP> this would be a fun rockbox target: http://www.ticalc.org/basics/calculators/ti-nspire-cas.html
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19.28.49 #       <n1s> "20 MB of storage space" umm, that's not very much for music...
19.30.17 #       <n1s> and does it even have an audio output?
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19.33.11 #       <alexbobP> n1s: no...
19.33.15 #       <alexbobP> but... but...
19.33.16 #       <alexbobP> it has usb!
19.33.28 #       <alexbobP> you can connect that to more storage and probably an audio output!
19.33.51 #       <gevaerts> Does it have USB *host*?
19.34.45 #       <n1s> yes, if a) the calculator can handle playin gusb host and b) you whip up some code for it...
19.35.04 #       <gevaerts> Also, does it have audio?
19.35.35 #       <alexbobP> gevaerts: tricks have been done with usb host on other ti calculatores
19.35.41 #       <gevaerts> so?
19.35.46 #       <gevaerts> "other"
19.35.49 #       <alexbobP> they aren't meant to be usb hosts, but they've been programmed to accept flash drives
19.35.55 #       <alexbobP> I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work with this one
19.36.01 #       <alexbobP> it's just a newer calculator so I don't think it's been done yet
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19.55.08 #       <saratoga> 2MB is about as low as you can go with SWCODEC and not run into terrible issues with bugs in our buffering system
19.55.31 #       <gevaerts> saratoga: this is why we need a 1MB target :)
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19.55.44 #       <saratoga> any lower and you're basically looking at putting a lot of work into improving buffering, or maybe dusting off Nico's old "bufferless" system
19.56.13 #       <saratoga> that used a lot less RAM, but also suffered from reduced battery life due to basically streaming blocks from NAND
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19.58.27 #       <funman> there are a lot of features that we can forget to save binsize
19.59.41 #       <funman> the bloat HTML widget that i linked here the other day can help for that
20.00.58 #       <saratoga> that only included bin size right, and not memory allocated at runtime?
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20.01.31 #       <funman> no i modified it to include BSS as well
20.01.48 #       <funman> the original code has BSS sections commented
20.02.17 #       <saratoga> so the sum of all the bytes it finds will equal the total memory used minus anything in the audio buffer?
20.02.33 #       <funman> it should yes
20.02.35 #       <gevaerts> It doesn't have the buffer_alloc()ed bits I suspect
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20.57.54 #       <darkenvy> Im back for another question
20.58.31 #       <darkenvy> Im moving away completely from itunes. any way I can ge tthe "Files" view on rockbox to sort via ID3 artist tags and not filenames?
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20.58.57 #       <darkenvy> my files are ugly like: [song]+duobythisguy-01(radioedit).mp3
20.59.16 #       <gevaerts> no
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20.59.22 #       <gevaerts> The files view handles files
20.59.22 #       <darkenvy> thats asking too much?
20.59.41 #       <gevaerts> If you want to use tags, you need to use the database
20.59.52 #       <darkenvy> how can I compile a db without itunes?
21.00.05 #       <gevaerts> the rockbox database has nothing at all to do with itunes
21.00.24 #       * alexbobP doesn't use itunes ever... and has a database
21.01.01 #       <darkenvy> Does the database just update all supported songs on hdd? :O
21.01.26 #       <darkenvy> omg it does apparently (*as I reload database*)
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21.02.09 #       <darkenvy> what would be really nice would be to have 2 options, techno and non-techno. I kinda dont want them together XD
21.03.20 #       <gbl08ma> That is what the "Genre" view in the database is for. Of course, if you're not lazy enough to tag all your music by the correct genre.
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21.03.58 #       <darkenvy> I can do it
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21.04.00 #       <darkenvy> nah I use mp3tag
21.04.20 #       <darkenvy> but destroy the rest of the tags by only making 2 tags XD (I would lose sub-genres)
21.05.30 #       <gevaerts> darkenvy: I don't use these things, but maybe http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax can help you
21.09.31 #       <darkenvy> so is this saying I can whitelist certain tags into one group? :D
21.09.43 #       <gevaerts> Maybe
21.09.48 #       * gevaerts doesn't actually know
21.09.57 #       <gevaerts> If anything can, this is the thing
21.10.04 #       <darkenvy> cool ill look into it
21.10.13 #       <darkenvy> rockbox just seems to get better and better lol
21.10.34 #       <darkenvy> pffff apple.... dont make me laugh XD
21.10.49 #       <darkenvy> ill let you know how it goes
21.10.52 #       <darkenvy> peace
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21.12.00 #       <amiconn> Torne: In fact MBR is limited to 2^32 sectors. That's why the new external 3TB HDDs use large physical sectors over USB as well
21.12.40 #       <funman> pamaury: any progress/discoveries on AMSv2 USB ?
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21.14.14 #       <amiconn> torne: 1MB is correct if you include the iFP7xx port. And OpenNeo works on a device with just 256KB RAM (though hwcodec, and plenty power supply)
21.15.35 #       <pamaury> funman: nope, my last try is a patch which restarts the controller after too many bus resets, I'll send you the patch if you want to  test it. My guess is that the init code is the fault is some way
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21.16.08 #       <pamaury> to be honest I've been quite busy these last two weeks
21.16.35 #       <funman> pamaury: i've suspected the init code as well
21.17.22 #       <funman> i'll try to find some time to look at it again tomorrow
21.17.54 #       <pamaury> yes, me too but my investigation see that the controller is not behaving in the right way when it massively fails
21.21.32 #       <Torne> amiconn: yes, i know, that's why i said it's limited to that. the ipod isn't going to use the nonstandard sector size, afaik.
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21.53.51 #       <CIA-81> New commit by 03bluebrother (r28212): Fix crash on proxy detection on OS X (FS#11654). ...
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21.55.42 #       <CIA-81> r28212 build result: All green
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22.00.18 #       <timonator> is it a known bug that rockbox util always tells me to download "the newest version" and gives me the url of the archive i downloaded to install it?
22.01.14 #       <gevaerts> Rockbox Utility you mean?
22.01.39 #       <timonator> that one
22.01.49 #       <gevaerts> hm. I think I've seen that too
22.01.57 #       <timonator> i've seen it in the last two versions
22.02.03 #       <funman> timonator: 1.2.8 should work now
22.02.25 #       <timonator> nope.
22.02.33 #       <timonator> it still tells me to get version 1.2.8
22.04.49 #       <gevaerts> I'm seeing the same
22.04.58 #       <gevaerts> domonoky, bluebroth3r: is this known?
22.07.44 #       <domonoky> i think thats not known.. can someone pastebin the systemlog for this ?
22.09.33 #       <gevaerts> domonoky: http://pastie.org/1201507
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22.12.10 #       <domonoky> strange, the version string is empty for one compare.. 
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22.41.04 #       <domonoky> strange, the version compair fails, because somehow Qt thinks the string "" isnt empty.  *scratch head*
22.45.57 #       <funman> the QString?
22.46.00 #       <domonoky> i was wrong.. but i dont understand how this test really should work..
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22.46.42 #       <bluebroth3r> sorry, was distracted for a while
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22.47.49 #       <bluebroth3r> I thought I fixed that issue with the version check on 64 bit. But why is the version number empty for one of the comparisons?
22.48.11 #       <domonoky> bluebroth3r: in the version test case, why is "1.2.3" and "1.2.3-1" not declared as equal ? 
22.48.49 #       <bluebroth3r> because 1.2.3-1 is considered a re-release of 1.2.3, so it's newer
22.48.56 #       <domonoky> the version is empty in one of the comparisons, because thats how its coded.. it looks if it is newer then a previous found version (and there is none)
22.49.00 #       <nymtar> hi there, what device would you recommend for rockbox? I am looking for a lightweight mp3-player
22.49.25 #       <gevaerts> nymtar: if "lightweight" is the most important requirement, I'd say one of the clips
22.49.40 #       <domonoky> bluebroth3r: but how should it differentiate that from "1.2.8" -> "1.2.8-64bit" ?
22.49.45 #       <nymtar> gevaerts: clips means?
22.49.54 #       <alexbobP> nymtar: sansa clip
22.50.05 #       <alexbobP> teensy little player with a few gigs of flash memory
22.50.09 #       <gevaerts> sansa clip, either v1, v2 or plus
22.50.22 #       <alexbobP> and the screen is both color and monochrome
22.50.25 #       <nymtar> site lists them under unstable ports
22.50.41 #       <gevaerts> alexbobP: it's monochrome
22.50.46 #       <gevaerts> Don't confuse the issue :)
22.50.53 #       <funman> nymtar: read better. and even the unstable models work quite fine
22.50.54 #       <alexbobP> gevaerts: confusion is fun though!
22.50.59 #       <alexbobP> it's blue and yellow!  colors :D
22.51.21 #       <alexbobP> nymtar: I have a fuze v2... there are some situations where it still crashes but rockbox is very usable
22.51.22 #       <bluebroth3r> domonoky: good question
22.51.26 #       <alexbobP> it's definitely better than OF, even with the crashes
22.51.36 #       <alexbobP> I think rockbox is totally stable on the older fuze and clip, too.
22.51.40 #       <Kohlrabi> oi
22.51.43 #       <alexbobP> and it'll probably be stable on all of them eventually.
22.51.48 #       <Kohlrabi> you guys solved the USB issues with Clipv2/+?
22.51.51 #       <Kohlrabi> fantastic :D
22.52.09 #       <Kohlrabi> oh
22.52.12 #       * bluebroth3r guesses he has to look into that comparison again the next days
22.52.12 #       <domonoky> bluebroth3r: thats the current problem.. it thinks 1.2.8 is newer the 1.2.8 (for 64bit versions) :-) 
22.52.14 #       <Kohlrabi> I just missed it
22.52.15 #       <Kohlrabi> damned
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22.52.54 #       <bluebroth3r> seems I missed one important case in the test. Gnah. Hate this.
22.53.18 #       <bluebroth3r> fortunately I'll have a couple of hours on the train the next days.
22.53.20 #       <domonoky> bluebroth3r: also the test case doesnt compile anymore on windows ..  (i had to hack utils.cpp to test this )
22.54.49 #       <bluebroth3r> oh, really? Though I never tried that on Windows :o
22.54.58 #       <bluebroth3r> (the test case that is)
22.56.13 #       <bluebroth3r> but why does changing utils.cpp fix it?
22.56.24 #       <nymtar> the only thing what worries me about the clip is the non-changeable-battery :/
22.56.25 #       <domonoky> its because utils.cpp uses System::userPermissions() (only on windows)  and if i pull system.cpp/h in, it complains about many windows funktions.. 
22.56.49 #       <domonoky> and i was too lazy to fix that, so i just commented the call in utils.cpp for this test :-) 
22.57.00 #       <bluebroth3r> ah, so it fails during linking?
22.57.04 #       <domonoky> jup
22.57.27 #       <alexbobP> nymtar: everything has a changeable battery, if you'r emotivated ;)
22.58.15 #       <bluebroth3r> ok, so the test project file would need some more linker options.
22.58.37 #       <domonoky> jup, looks like it
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23.06.38 #       <nymtar> alexbobP: i see/wc
23.06.42 #       <nymtar> darn ^^
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23.37.34 #       <froggyman> I have already updated an unpatched version of firmware to my fuze v2 and removed the .rockbox folder. Is there anything else I need to do to completely remove all traces of rockbox from it?
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23.38.34 #       <alexbobP> froggyman: are you afraid that the dystopian anti-open-source-police will confiscate it if they find traces?
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23.38.58 #       <froggyman> no, just SanDisk. I need to send it in for RMA
23.39.02 #       <alexbobP> anyways, removing the .rockbox directory and bootloader should be enough...
23.39.07 #       <alexbobP> ah, probably a good call
23.39.21 #       <alexbobP> it would suck if they tried to weasel out of supporting you and used rockbox as an excuse
23.40.08 #       <froggyman> Yep, exactly my thought. Which is why I want to be sure that i have removed rockbox from it 
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23.44.26 #       <amiconn> Torne: iPod video 5.5G already *does* use a nonstandard sector size
23.45.13 #       <amiconn> 2KB - so it should allow disks up to 8TB.
23.48.13 #       <gevaerts> The question is how likely it is that there will ever be 1.8" PATA drives that big
23.48.40 #       * gevaerts decides not to bet on it
23.50.58 #       <amiconn> Currently our ata driver won't handle >2TB, because even with large physical sectors the actual addressing still uses 512-byte sectors, and we use 32 bit vars
23.51.22 #       <amiconn> That's an easy fix if such big disks will ever appear though
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