--- Log for 08.10.110 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 23 hours ago 00.00.14 # I know I'm just not sure if the Ipod is fourth generation, I thought those other details may be able to help 00.00.33 # Apple has a page for identifying iPods. 00.00.47 # Do you have a link by any chance? 00.00.58 # Googling it should bring it up pretty easily. 00.01.42 # Ok, thanks very much :) 00.02.04 # it's linked from some Rockbox wiki page, IdentifyPlayer I believe 00.03.15 # Ah, I've found it... I've got a fourth generation :( 00.04.05 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 00.04.38 Quit Staphylo (Quit: Bye les gens =)) 00.09.16 Quit KillzoneAgency (Quit: CGI:IRC) 00.16.22 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.22.12 Part cozo 00.29.35 Quit Thanatos (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.33.30 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 00.33.58 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-218-238.t-mobile.co.uk) 00.36.32 # Torne, re:FS#5230. How many people (I agree the iPod Video is prevalent) actually ever use the hold switch? 00.38.18 # i would guess practically everyone 00.38.34 # on the ipods you kind of have to since the touch screen goes nuts in your pocket 00.38.50 # yeah 00.38.58 # mine is on hold about 99.9% of the time 00.39.49 # huh. My hold switch is most likely inoperable due to grime accumulation. I have never used it. 00.40.55 # isn't just about *every* mp3 player on hold 99% of the time? 00.41.29 # I guess my use-case of wearing them external (not in a pocket) and never using the hold switch is uncommon. 00.41.32 # but specifically yes, my ipod video can be operated quite happily through the pocket of whatever garment it's in 00.41.44 # so if i didn't have it on hold, brushing my hand over my coat would change the volume 00.42.04 # and bumping someone would change tracks :) 00.42.36 # soap: I had my Nano on hold pretty much constantly 00.42.41 # Meanwhile I never use hold on my Gigabeat. 00.43.13 # The main reason I'd have it on hold was because it was easy to brush the touchwheel while putting it into or taking it out of my pocket. I was never concerned about track skipping or anything. 00.43.21 # soap: so yeah, if i use it i'll be turning hold on and off fifty plus times a day 00.43.35 # nevermind, then! ;) 00.43.44 # and since 5230 was closed it's never done the thing where it doesn't work after 00.44.19 # * Llorean finds the H100 the only player of his that he really, really considers hold essential though. 00.44.47 # Well, maybe the D2 but I've never put that in my pocket. 00.52.07 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 00.52.15 Quit panni_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.52.38 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-81-220.unitymediagroup.de) 00.57.30 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 01.01.06 Quit ender` (Quit: If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning, sleep late.) 01.01.45 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@207-237-241-192.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.02.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.07.54 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 01.13.53 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 01.13.53 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 01.13.53 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.28.09 Quit rasher (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.40.32 Quit _s1gma (Quit: Leaving) 01.40.40 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk) 01.40.40 Quit rasher (Changing host) 01.40.40 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 01.41.27 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.44.39 Join edboyer93 [0] (eboyer93@pool-71-185-65-59.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) 02.11.26 Join krazykit [0] (~kkit@24-148-89-52.frg-bsr1.chi-frg.il.cable.rcn.com) 02.17.24 Quit timcccccc (Read error: No route to host) 02.20.27 Join timcccccc [0] (~timcccccc@112.166.15.141) 02.21.31 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 02.21.44 Quit anewuser () 02.30.50 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 02.37.49 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 03.01.04 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 03.01.44 Join [AndrewR] [0] (~andrewrot@d24-36-251-35.home1.cgocable.net) 03.02.09 # <[AndrewR]> hi all, my plugin is coming along well, just have a question about putsxy. I can't figure out a way to change the font size, any way to do that? 03.02.50 # are you using a viewport? 03.02.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.03.34 Join Nausicaa [0] (~Nausicaa@c-71-239-58-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.03.51 Join TruthTaco [0] (~TruthTaco@adsl-67-46-64.aby.bellsouth.net) 03.04.53 # <[AndrewR]> I'm not sure, I'm just using the lcd_* functions 03.04.56 # <[AndrewR]> stuff on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicsAPI 03.05.19 # I think I might have screwed up my fuze, its a v1. I was trying to update the roxbox firmware and somehow I screwed up the original firmware and now the regular firmware wont boot, it wont let me charge the player in rockbox mode... or stay connected long enough to change files 03.05.35 # <[AndrewR]> should I be using a viewport? 03.06.16 # well, you dont really need to, but it will make things easier if oyu want to support the lcd rmeotes... 03.06.31 # all you really need to do is call lcd_set_font() (i tihnk)\ 03.07.26 # TruthTaco: hold left while booting 03.08.34 # <[AndrewR]> setfont doesn't have an option for size, are there simply a bunch of fonts for each size? ex. monaco_8 monaco_10 etc? 03.08.45 # yes 03.09.07 # its all bitmap fonts with no scaling, so whatever height the font is comes from the file 03.09.10 # <[AndrewR]> do you know where I can find a list of fonts available? 03.09.14 # <[AndrewR]> ah 03.09.19 # oh dam there it goes, i could have sworn I was supposed to hold the up buttom 03.09.21 # err button 03.09.22 # .rockbox/fonts on your dap 03.10.02 # http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ which is more info than you need 03.10.55 # thanks a ton 03.11.10 # what is your plugin for? 03.11.25 # or, how does it use the screen? 03.11.58 # <[AndrewR]> ok, I see a list of .bdf fonts. how do I figure out which int to pass to setfont to get the font I want? 03.12.12 # <[AndrewR]> it's mostly a bunch of custom lists 03.12.13 # you load the font by name 03.12.30 # then font 1 is the font you loaded 03.12.36 # <[AndrewR]> it's an app for tracking workouts 03.12.48 # <[AndrewR]> http://github.com/andrewroth/rockbox_workout/wiki/brainstorming 03.13.12 # or you go to a little bit more work and load the font into the skin buffer (which is on the todo list, but not done for plugins yet) 03.14.28 # <[AndrewR]> void (*lcd_setfont)(int font); 03.14.53 # ah, if its all text based then you should use the standard list widget and multiscreen api so there is no effort making it work on every target (which means it might even be accepted!) 03.15.12 # <[AndrewR]> yeah, I considered that... but I want to do some fancy things in the lists 03.15.21 # <[AndrewR]> colors, sections 03.15.30 # <[AndrewR]> like the top 2/3 will be the list of exercises, workouts, etc. 03.15.40 # colours can be done easily, sections can be done with multiple viewports/lists 03.15.59 # a bit of effort at the start, but then never need to touchh it again 03.16.01 # <[AndrewR]> then the buttom 1/3 a current workout info ex "Rest 30s, then set to 150 lb" 03.17.08 # <[AndrewR]> ok, I see font_load 03.19.03 # * JdGordon| doesnt know a good example plugin for the multiscreen api :/ 03.19.31 # <[AndrewR]> any chance you can just show me the 1 or 2 lines it takes to load another font? 03.19.44 # <[AndrewR]> or point me to an example somewhere? 03.20.41 # ideally you want to call skin_font_load() (in apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_fonts.c, not in the pluign API yet) 03.20.51 # <[AndrewR]> what does it take to get a plugin accepted? 03.21.41 # someone to think its useful, and the less effort needed to keep it working on new targets the better 03.21.43 # <[AndrewR]> oh, that's your code? :) 03.23.42 # yeah, I would recommend ignoring the fonts and get the rest of your plugin working. or if you really want to load a font then make a fontlib for the plugins to do the work correctly (not very hard) 03.24.49 # the correct way is... 1) call skin_font_load(), if that works then just pass on the return value, if not then 2) do the same thing but use a buffer from get_plugin_buffer() (or a passed in block) 03.25.11 # then just some magic to free the font number when the plugin closes and bob's your uncle 03.26.41 # <[AndrewR]> a fontlib? 03.26.54 # <[AndrewR]> calling skin_font_load at the startup seems like it should work 03.27.02 # fancy word for a new file to make font loading in plugins easier 03.27.23 # it wont always work, that uses the skin buffer which could be filled by the theme 03.28.23 # if I wasnt at work I'd code up that for you in a few minutes :/ 03.31.10 # <[AndrewR]> you mean contribute to skin_fonts by writing something for plugin font loading? 03.32.13 # well, it would go in apps/plugins/pluginlib, but yeah 03.32.21 # <[AndrewR]> yeah my plugin probably won't get officially accepted, at least not the first version 03.32.35 # <[AndrewR]> I'm making it more as a proof of concept, and for me personally (a bit selfish but hey) 03.32.47 # <[AndrewR]> though I will keep it hosted on github, so anybody can take it 03.33.28 # <[AndrewR]> I plan to have a ruby on rails app as a front end, and sync workout data 03.34.20 # well its up to you of course, but something like the font loading bit would defintly be accepted 03.35.09 # <[AndrewR]> I'm not sure I see what more is required though, skin_font_load looks like all a plugin needs 03.35.28 # <[AndrewR]> then call unload at the end 03.35.30 # <[AndrewR]> ? 03.35.42 # the problem is it uses a static buffer which the theme is loaded into (including images) so it might not have enough room to load a font 03.35.48 # fonts take up ~10KB iirc 03.36.30 # so what the pluginlib really needs is a wrapper for that to use some of the plugin buffer if it doesnt fit in the skin one 03.36.31 # <[AndrewR]> hmm, I'm not familiar with what the theme entails. Is that the rockbox theme for the general look and feel? 03.36.37 # yes 03.38.22 # <[AndrewR]> ah, interesting.. font_table[MAXUSERFONTS] is where that static buffer is? 03.38.57 # no, thats just a table to store the font ids, and stuff.. the actual buffer is elsewhere 03.39.04 # <[AndrewR]> would you envision the plugin font helper thing using skin_font_load? or refactoring skin_font_load a bit to use that? 03.39.35 # the first 03.39.53 # <[AndrewR]> skin_buffer_alloc? 03.40.38 # <[AndrewR]> I thought skin_font_load would be allocating the system buffer, thus you'd need to refactor 03.41.06 # <[AndrewR]> pf->buffer_start = (char *)skin_buffer_alloc(SKIN_FONT_SIZE) -- that it? 03.41.11 # no, it allocates from the skin buffer which is safe 03.41.19 # that code shoudlnt need to be touched 03.41.37 # back in 20.. lunch time 03.42.07 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Quit: Leaving.) 03.42.08 # <[AndrewR]> I need to go to but I'll keep this in mind, I'll try to bbl maybe over the weekend 03.42.17 # <[AndrewR]> thanks for the help 03.42.37 Quit [AndrewR] (Quit: BitchX: not to be taken internally) 03.47.17 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 03.52.29 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (~bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.10.52 Join ntryon_ [0] (~ntryon@42.interlockroc.net) 04.11.58 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.11.59 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.12.04 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.12.04 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.12.18 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.12.20 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.13.16 Quit elinenbe (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04.13.43 Join ntryon__ [0] (~ntryon@42.interlockroc.net) 04.15.44 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.16.20 Quit edboyer93 () 04.17.12 Quit ntryon_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.18.58 Quit ntryon__ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.19.32 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.27.39 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 04.44.42 Quit Nausicaa (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.46.09 Join darkenvy [0] (d826be44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.38.190.68) 04.46.28 # okay ive been here the last two days but I have one more issue 04.47.01 # I installed the 240gb hdd and it worked great initially with the 10 songs I tested it with 04.47.21 # now I put 20gb of techno on it and rockbox is incredibly slow/non-responcive 04.47.54 Join Nausicaa [0] (~Nausicaa@c-71-239-58-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.48.42 # enable dircache 04.48.49 # where is the setting? 04.49.00 # settings > system > disk 04.49.04 # it also locks up in the player screen mainly 04.50.37 # BEAUTIFUL! 04.51.45 # thanks 04.51.46 # JdGordon, you and Torne have been extreamly helful 04.53.22 # sorry, we try not to make it a habbit 04.53.24 Join dys` [0] (~andreas@krlh-5f725626.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.54.16 # lol? 04.54.28 Join Barahir_ [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590fd589.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.54.48 # I trial and error myself but when I get frustrated I come here :\ 04.55.58 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.56.12 Quit darkenvy (Quit: Page closed) 04.57.49 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.00.54 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-69-203-144-35.si.res.rr.com) 05.03.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.07.32 Quit desowin (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 05.07.47 Join desowin [0] (~desowin@pandora.barbara.ds.polsl.pl) 05.22.55 Quit timcccccc (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.23.12 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Remote host closed the connection) 05.23.44 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (~bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 05.33.18 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.36.04 Quit Battousai (Read error: Operation timed out) 05.37.41 Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 05.38.47 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! 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This time I even get an address and it's a scrolling function (will look it up shortly), simpler WPSs don't exhibit the problem and I don't know where to start looking :\ 11.53.10 # does gdb run on ondio? 11.53.12 Quit esperegu (Read error: No route to host) 11.53.28 # no 11.53.37 # AFAIK 11.57.24 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@h-34-59.A238.priv.bahnhof.se) 11.57.57 # if I comment out the progressbar I get a different crash/hang :\/ 11.58.17 # what's the opinion on declaring nano2g stable for the upcoming release? 11.58.51 # TheSeven: i guess the most valuable opinion is yours ;) 11.58.59 # i don't think so 11.59.23 # i haven't done much with it recently, haven't tried current builds for weeks, and haven't tried the rockbox bootloader for months 11.59.32 # aren't you the most knowledgeable 11.59.42 # .. about nano2g installation procedure? 12.00.33 # the installation procedure is fine (when using the rockbox bootloader), but it used to cause FTL problems on every unclean reboot, sometimes ending up with a wiped flash 12.01.01 # bus some people claim this problem has magically gone away and they haven't seen a white screen of death for months 12.01.32 # so if anyone *has* seen a white screen of death recently, i'd like that person to speak up 12.08.30 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 12.09.50 # AlexP: we could revert r28000 in the branch 12.10.12 # funman: yes, that'd be an option 12.10.46 # funman: btw, I'm not arguing with any of your points - it just seems a bad idea to put out a release where we know that for some people playback is broken :) 12.12.37 # i disagree with this, we don't have to achieve perfection for a release 12.12.54 # and given that nobody is working on this particular point, i think we can ignore it 12.14.01 # or use quick workaround for release if possible of course 12.14.15 # playback is a fairly major componant of Rockbox 12.14.22 # If ti were a plugin or something I'd agree 12.14.25 # perfection no, but basic things should work 12.15.25 # just search flyspray for "playback" and you'll find other bugs which didn't prevent past releases 12.15.39 # playback not working at all is pretty big 12.15.44 # works fine here 12.15.51 # It isn't just a little bug with it, it doesn't play music 12.15.57 # yes, but not for everyone 12.16.03 # mp3 works 12.16.11 # not for one guy in the forums 12.16.12 # do we have any numbers on how many devices are affected? 12.16.51 # TheSeven: No idea - not many I'd guess 12.17.01 # fs#11608 lists 3 people 12.17.09 # the crash on my Ondio happens in _lcd_scroll_stop_line (firmware/libfirmware.a(scroll_engine.o)) 12.17.12 # and only vorbis 12.17.27 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 12.17.51 # my 2 fuzev1 work fine, for n1s too, and i guess kugel too 12.17.58 # funman: yes, there were more in ther forum thread you locked including for flac and mp3 12.18.09 # AlexP: what is the link again? 12.18.48 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25809.0 12.20.02 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12.20.42 # funman: I haven't used daps in ages :) I don't know if my fuze shows the problem 12.22.30 # and I agree with AlexP, we should knowingly keep regressions if we know a fix/workaround 12.22.33 # should *not* 12.23.06 # kugel: please test then 12.23.26 # but it doesn't really matter if I have the problem or not 12.23.38 # yes it does, if you do you can send me your fuze :) 12.30.34 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 12.34.53 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12.36.50 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@71.20.73.59) 12.36.50 Quit mc2739 (Changing host) 12.36.50 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 12.47.37 Quit BlakeJohnson86 (Remote host closed the connection) 12.48.15 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (~bjohnson@c-24-118-162-123.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 12.52.52 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.01.59 Join ajb [0] (~user@cbnluk-gw0.cambridgebroadband.com) 13.03.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.13.12 Join teru [0] (~teru@KD059133111160.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 13.19.02 Quit avacore (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 13.19.59 Join avacore^ [0] (nobody@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk) 13.37.27 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 13.37.46 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-067-196-199.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.38.54 Quit funman (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.40.27 Join preglow [0] (thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no) 13.44.57 Quit Stummi (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 13.45.57 Join funman [0] (~fun@78.167.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 13.45.58 Quit funman (Changing host) 13.45.58 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 13.51.46 Join Stummi [0] (Stummi@doppeldenk.org) 13.54.05 Quit funman (Quit: Quitte) 13.57.22 Join funman [0] (~fun@78.167.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 13.57.22 Quit funman (Changing host) 13.57.22 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 14.07.12 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.10.43 Nick Zarggg_ is now known as Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 14.14.51 Quit funman (Quit: Quitte) 14.16.38 Join funman [0] (~fun@78.167.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 14.16.39 Quit funman (Changing host) 14.16.39 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 14.16.48 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 14.21.41 # JdGordon: are you here? 14.33.57 # he's never around during his Saturdays, so probably not in the next 24 hours 14.35.10 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.36.14 # hmm. thank you for the info. 14.41.06 # Hello. Is there a gloabally accessible way to determine which screen the player is on? I would like to disable backlight_on() call in firmware/drivers/button.c for simple operations (volume up/down, skip track, pause) and I'd prefer that it would work this way in WPS only... 14.41.13 # teru: maybe a bit less, don't know but usually he reads logs so you could leave him a message/question 14.41.22 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.47.26 Quit linuxstb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.50.57 Join Thanatos [0] (~Nausicaa@c-71-239-58-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 14.52.37 # My rockbox based player is overheating 14.52.58 # Thanatos: What player? 14.53.09 # Make/model 14.53.27 # sansa clip 14.53.28 # v2 14.53.42 # I am not sure what the damage is 14.54.12 # but just wanted to warn everyone not to put their clip into the outlet and set it to sleep 14.54.28 # I did not expect such a violent reaction 14.54.50 # It should, in theory, be fine to do so. 14.54.58 # I can;t imagine why it would not be. 14.55.01 # i remember seeing a report on the forum, what is your backlight setting? 14.55.08 # I'll assess the damage once I return from school 14.55.16 # it was at low 14.55.23 # I turned it on, the battery was at zero 14.55.28 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.196.97.238) 14.55.31 # it just turned off suddenly 14.55.40 # then I decided to check plug it in 14.55.44 # nothing happened 14.55.50 # then I noticed it was very very very very hot 14.55.59 # so I pulled it apart, and let the battery sit out 14.56.09 # and then I decided to pull it from the leads 14.56.11 # Sounds like your battery is screwed. 14.56.15 # could you try writing more of your thoughts on one line please, makes it easier to read 14.56.42 # sorry I only have only had one college english class :p 14.57.22 # I think my battery is screwed too, oh well live and learn. Are there any logs that I might be able to send to you guys? 14.58.01 # Nothing we could use to determine anything...no. 14.58.01 # If I had to rockbox it all over again, I would do it in a heartbeat, I would rather have a great experience with a horrible ending such as this one, rather than a long lasting mediocre one. 14.58.28 # A new battery won't cost you very much at all. 14.58.43 # No I might be able to use an iPod battery as well 14.58.48 # And, failing that, Clips aren't exactly very expensive. 14.58.55 # thats right SAINT! 14.59.03 # I have a backup clip I'm loading with music right now 15.01.29 # I never expected this to happen to me 15.01.32 # but haha it did! 15.01.50 # It's a fact of life. 15.01.59 # Electrical goods will fail eventually. 15.02.10 # I never had such a violent end before though 15.02.22 # The plastic smells like the whole thing is damaged beyond repair 15.02.28 Quit avacore^ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 15.02.28 Quit kugel (Quit: exit(0);) 15.02.40 # I'd be quite surprised if your settings/configuration/use caused damage to the player...it was probably just a bad battery. 15.02.59 # And, it came to the end of its uable life, allbeit prematurely 15.03.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.21 # So you don't think if it was due to rockbox on it with those settings? 15.03.46 # I wish I could determine it, but oh well I am just another stupid end user! ( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 15.04.42 # Thanatos: i have a clipv2 and it never overheated 15.04.45 # I doubt it, there's a LOT of people using Rockboxed Clips...I'm sure if charging with a wall charger caused damage there would have been a lot more complaints. 15.04.49 # Howecver, is it the correct charger for the device? 15.04.53 Part LinusN 15.04.57 # Nope 15.05.05 # It never caused a problem before though 15.05.21 # Well, there's your problem I suspect. 15.05.33 # It is probably supplying too much power to the device. 15.05.38 Join evilnick_B [0] (0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.05.43 # I should not trust www.dealextreme.com anymore 15.05.52 # I used a basic USB charger 15.06.02 # it seemed like it was a bad apple unit 15.06.11 # s/is/was/ 15.06.40 Quit feisar- (Read error: Operation timed out) 15.06.42 # Oh well, time for school now, thanks for your help everyone! ( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 15.06.49 Join feisar- [0] (jljhook@sienikerho.com) 15.07.04 # IIUC Apple/Sansa chargers are NOT interchangable 15.07.22 # by the way what is the battery life on the v1 like? 15.07.23 # I've geard of others frying their Sansas doing that exact same thing. 15.07.24 # New commit by 03teru (r28219): don't reload the skins if color isn't actually changed. ... 15.07.44 # It shows that the maximum is eight hours 15.08.11 # s/geard/heard/ 15.08.34 # At first I thought it was always the highest clocked but I think funman corrected me and told me it was just an estimation 15.09.09 # i don't know what is a Sansa charger 15.09.25 # r28219 build result: All green 15.09.29 # and clips should charge in 3 hours maximum 15.10.15 # funman: I believe he meant total runtime from a full charge. 15.10.53 # clipv2 should run 24hours not 8 15.11.12 # the clips just charge from USB the same as anything else 15.11.33 # I meant v1 15.11.49 # How long does it usually last? 15.11.55 # and any old usb charger should do unless it's poor at regulating the voltage and drifts substantially above 5V 15.11.58 # ah, you say v2 but you mean v1 .. 15.12.36 # You missed the last thing I posted, I really should have everything on one line 15.12.37 # by the way what is the battery life on the v1 like? 15.13.18 # oh ok, thought the overheating clip was a v1 - alright then 15.13.26 # hi funman, have you had time to test my card on fuzev2 ? 15.13.34 # Yeah the v2 ovcerheated 15.13.39 # pSiKO: no i don't have the fuze yet, perhaps sunday or next week 15.13.43 # And I have a v1 to use, just wondering what the battery life is like 15.13.49 # Since it always estimates it to be 8hours 15.13.58 # ok no prob :) 15.14.13 # it is like 8 hours .. 15.14.29 # on my clipv1 at least, since i'm the one who commits estimations for sansas 15.15.16 # :( 15.15.40 # I hope I can fix my v2 then 15.15.44 # Or just get a clip+ 15.16.31 Join webguest55 [0] (~41746602@giant.haxx.se) 15.16.40 # theres more active development on the clip+ right? I heard it gets 40+hrs 15.16.47 # is there a way to set a start time for a song? 15.17.18 # Why not just split the file? 15.17.46 # Thanatos: clip+ is almost identical to clipv2 15.18.49 # webguest55: cuesheets should do what you want. 15.19.53 # S_a_i_n_t: that would still mean skipping ahead manually, no? 15.20.37 # Ah, yes...Indeed it would. 15.20.43 # Hmmmmm :/ 15.21.04 # maybe a bookmark. But I'm not sure I understand what webguest55 wants correctly as I can read it two ways - starting at a specific time in a file, or starting playback at all at a certain time (of day) like an alarm clock 15.21.28 # If its playback it might be easier just to split the file 15.21.30 # ChanServ: sry afk for a little 15.21.35 # yea just playback 15.21.47 # and i use the database not the file browser for music playing 15.21.52 # so i can't make bookmarks 15.22.07 # Do you have anything against splitting the file? 15.22.09 # splitting the file is like curing toothache with a hammer 15.22.12 # Thats what I would do 15.22.19 # hmm 15.22.23 # there's surely an easier way to do it than butchering your files. 15.22.26 # I dunno, thats how I make my ringtones 15.22.30 # i mean i still want the 1st like 20 sec of my song 15.22.42 # in case i feel like listening to it some day 15.22.49 # Bookmark 15.23.03 # Seems as though that would be your best bet. 15.23.17 # hmm 15.23.22 # mk 15.23.26 # i know that there's this feature in itunes 15.23.36 # but nothing similar in rockbox yet? 15.23.44 # Add a bookmark in the track at the time you want to start it, then maintain a list of recent bookmarks (it's a feature in rockbox) 15.23.51 # ChanServ: 15.23.55 # whoops sry 15.24.02 # webguest55: Yes, rockbox has had bookmarks for a long time. 15.24.03 # mk 15.24.08 # thanks! 15.24.21 # what player do you have? 15.24.30 Join Kitar|st [0] (Kitarist@BSN-142-68-62.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 15.24.33 # nano1g 15.24.46 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-build.html 15.24.59 # yea ive read that 15.25.12 # there 'ys go...checkout bookmarking in there. 15.25.20 # the manual is VERY comprehensive. 15.25.31 # ya. thank you 15.25.46 Quit webguest55 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 15.27.12 Quit Thanatos (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.34.49 Quit Rob2223 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.39.12 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@dsl-217-173-212.pool.bitel.net) 15.39.13 Quit bmbl (Changing host) 15.39.13 Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl) 15.44.20 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se) 15.46.15 # hello everybody. I've been busy for a while. In this time I discovered that my FuzeV2 no longer connects via experimental USB. Current version + frequency switching + high quality audio settings. I will try to revert those patches and test again. I know for sure that without patches and with a couple weeks' ago svn it worked with approx. 50% chance. 15.46.58 # apart from that, frequency switching worked smoothly. 15.47.06 # gotta go now, see you soon 15.47.20 Quit Luca_S (Client Quit) 15.49.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@pD9FE24F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.54.49 Quit ajb (Remote host closed the connection) 15.59.26 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 16.09.41 Quit funman (Quit: Quitte) 16.10.07 Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-066-089.nc.res.rr.com) 16.11.49 Join funman [0] (~fun@78.167.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) 16.11.49 Quit funman (Changing host) 16.11.49 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 16.16.06 Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 16.21.54 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se) 16.22.15 # how dumb, I forgot the error message. *PANIC* usb-drv: wrong architecture (0) 16.22.52 # Luca_S: if you test cpufreq, please verify how it affects battery life. In my last tests it could damage battery life 16.22.58 # just tested with a plain svn, while I couldn't make rb usb work with 3-4 attempts, it does not panic. 16.23.07 # funman: I already posted some time ago some benches 16.23.22 Quit CGL (Remote host closed the connection) 16.23.27 # on my fuze, it helps with accelerated benches. not much, but it helps 16.23.29 # saratoga is trying on clip+ 16.26.39 # New commit by 03teru (r28220): fix displaying of the slider when default is used for pb->y and pb->height. 16.28.23 # r28220 build result: All green 16.44.11 Quit petur (Quit: Page closed) 16.49.52 Join Jaykay [0] (~chatzilla@p5DC570B4.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.56.47 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-81-220.unitymediagroup.de) 16.58.54 Join manequin [0] (~manequin@195.117.128.211) 17.01.01 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 17.03.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.07.33 Part Zagor 17.08.57 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 17.11.08 Join _s1gma [0] (~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131) 17.12.36 Join saratoga [0] (9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.198.221) 17.13.05 # funman: scaling added a little over half an hour for me, although someone on ABI reported larger gains 17.14.03 # that sounds good then 17.14.35 # it doesn't crash for me, although someone on ABI got a crash loading themes 17.14.43 # not sure if thats related to boosting though 17.15.08 # however using mp3 it'll basically never boost with the screen off 17.15.31 # it'll boost but for a short time 17.15.46 # iiuc boosting is synchronous, cpu_boost() has immediate effect 17.15.58 # mp3 needs about 26MHz, and idle clock is 40mhz right? 17.16.34 # it'll boost even if not necessary 17.17.15 # when does that happen? 17.17.32 # we could compare mp3 with boosting, and mp3 with clock forced to minimum to see if there's something worth doing 17.17.33 Quit teru (Quit: Quit) 17.17.41 Join ajb [0] (~user@cbnluk-gw0.cambridgebroadband.com) 17.17.53 # cpu_boost() is only conditional on #HAVE_CPUFREQ (or whatever the define name is) 17.18.26 # yeah but it only ever actually boosts if the pcm buffer gets low right? 17.18.47 # hm i thought each codec has some cpu_boost() calls inline at critical steps 17.19.10 # the codecs themselves don't boost, just the buffering system if it starts to get behind 17.20.47 # perhaps try running mp3 + an intensive plugin like matrix 17.21.19 # yes i was mistaken, only plugins boost 17.23.24 # i'll try doing a test bench using APE 17.23.30 # should get lots of boosting :) 17.23.55 Part manequin 17.25.33 # perhaps after 16 hours you will have decoded a full song ;) 17.30.26 Quit funman (Quit: Quitte) 17.38.53 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4ABFD.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.39.07 Join noamsml_ [0] (~noamsml@adsl-75-45-246-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 17.40.39 Quit noamsml (Read error: Operation timed out) 17.44.57 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@207-237-241-192.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) 17.47.59 Quit Battousai (Read error: Operation timed out) 17.50.38 Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 17.51.58 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC) 18.12.35 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: Even if you're lying, please tell me everythings going to be fine.) 18.13.13 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 18.18.03 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.25.30 Join [sko] [0] (~sko]@p57A9B379.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.25.46 Quit t0rc (Quit: Give someone code, help them with one project. 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This is relatively stable build with some known regressions we will provide support for in lieu of a current release version." 19.24.11 # pixelma: I feel I can relatively confidently predict JdGordon's support for shortening the freeze period, though. He's never liked it. 19.24.51 # hmm, maybe (about the first) 19.25.06 # JdGordon's recommended shortening the freeze period in the past. 19.25.23 # He *could* suddenly about face on the issue, but... 19.25.48 # heh...how often does that happen though? 19.26.08 # mind made up == mind made up 19.26.11 # Llorean: how would you handle Rockbox Utility integration though (which is one argument)? 19.26.57 # Where does RButil currently get its current build number from? Does it necessarily need to be numeric? 19.27.53 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: Even if you're lying, please tell me everythings going to be fine.) 19.28.35 # I guess it just irritates me to see known bugs with one person's code, and that person's going on to continue adding features with a release coming up, rather than spending his time trying to clear them up. 19.28.54 # also, talking about JdGordon's opinion here while he's away isn't really nice and I don't think it's very important (one person more or less in the freeze/branch "discussion") 19.29.12 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 19.29.21 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.29.25 # did i miss the start of your discussion? 19.29.29 # pixelma: What discussion. Unless someone tells them "stop until there are more opinions" they're going to announce a freeze on Monday. 19.29.53 # They've already declared a consensus (of two people) is enough. 19.30.02 # Llorean: yeah, I find that kind of sad too, though I realise that these bugs seem a bit random and may be hard to track down 19.30.25 # pixelma: Yeah, but time spent working on other features is time spent not at least *trying* to track them down. 19.30.41 # I could understand if the bug wasn't reproducible or something, but aren't the theme bugs more or less consistent? 19.30.47 # well, then other people should speak up, I just got the mail with the shortening proposal 19.30.56 # Llorean: Are you saying you think Rockbox is too buggy at the moment to release? 19.31.04 # * funman wonders how much time Llorean spent (trying to) to track these bugs down 19.32.04 # Llorean: for me they are most of the times, though it seems to depend on the actual theme used and it sometimes doesn't occur 19.32.13 # linuxstb: I'm saying I don't see why we should bother with releases, if the goal has stopped being "try to make sure Rockbox is stable and working for release time." When people aren't working on fixing the bugs they introduce, and at the same time want to shorten the freeze period so that they can keep working on features, it basically indicates they're no longer interested in a release at all. 19.32.55 # funman: he didn't commit the code in question though. I spent some time tracking them down as far as a non-coder can do 19.33.20 # pixelma: thanks 19.33.38 # and one even lead to a fix (not a 100% working for me though it seems) but it got better 19.33.40 # funman: Whether or not I'm trying to track them down doesn't change the fact that the person who introduced them is actively working on other stuff rather than trying to repair issues he knows he introduced. I don't know that he's given up on it, but he definitely doesn't seem particularly interested in getting themes back to where they were before he started mucking with it. 19.34.12 # Llorean: telling other people what they must do is guaranteed to never work 19.34.40 # funman: But you can tell them what they must not do, such as "stop introducing new features to themeing before the previous features you've introduced don't break old features" 19.34.42 # sure maybe he added the bug in the first place but that doesnt' mean we have to pester him until it's fixed 19.35.10 # It doesn't benefit anyone if people just run on with feature after feature, and don't ever clean up the mess they leave behind. 19.35.25 # At least you get less half baked features if you tell them "stop until it's working" 19.35.43 # current trunk works perfectly for me 19.35.48 # Good for you. 19.35.54 # although i'm perhaps cheating since i use it on a player without screen ^^ 19.35.58 # Have you tried the thing/s known to be broken though? 19.36.01 Part funman 19.36.53 # my main gripe with how it went was that adding more and more features to the newly introduced theme engine before letting it settle for a while and see if anything creeps up is that it makes it harder to track down the problem (was it introduced during the main part or at a later time?) 19.38.20 # I just feel like there's a bit of feeling of "it doesn't matter if I introduce bugs, since somebody else can fix them and I can go on to do other stuff" 19.39.00 # I also don't see what benefit comes from shortening the release freeze period, at all. 19.39.27 # me neither but that should be probably taken to the ml 19.45.01 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19.52.43 # I find the early USB crash important too especially as I now have to turn on the Ondio before connecting to USB if I want to avoid the crash and which is extremely weird if I want to use the Ondio as USB reader as the bridge doesn't handle both "drives". Unfortunately no-one told me yet where the bug can be seen on other targets too, just that early USB exists elsewhere too 19.52.57 # Llorean: I would agree that the freeze period should be short. But I also agree with you that buggy code shouldn't be committed in the first place - i.e. it is the responsibility of the committer to test their own code and it shouldn't be committed until it's tested thoroughly. 19.53.15 # it has been present on earlier releases too probably 19.53.18 # linuxstb: I'd say 1 week is a pretty short period. 19.53.45 # linuxstb: The proposal is to remove the freeze period entirely, so that there's only a branch. Effectively, there is no freeze since you never need to commit to the branch tree and can just keep working. 19.56.16 # Llorean: I guess I'm talking hypothetically - _if_ SVN was kept in a generally stable stage, then the freeeze period could be short. 19.56.22 # Yeah 19.56.36 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 19.56.43 # If people treated SVN like a release could happen at any time, the freeze could more or less be nonexistent. 19.57.05 # But there seems to be a real push right now of "make it shiny at any cost" 19.58.14 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.01.33 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p4FE8EE87.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.06.03 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@LRouen-151-71-27-149.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.06.21 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.06.41 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@LRouen-151-71-27-149.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.10.27 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.12.13 Quit drizztbsd (Changing host) 20.12.13 Join drizztbsd [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd) 20.14.21 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: Even if you're lying, please tell me everythings going to be fine.) 20.14.54 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 20.16.05 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.28.03 Quit kugel (Quit: exit(0);) 20.29.01 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: Even if you're lying, please tell me everythings going to be fine.) 20.29.26 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 20.31.11 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Client Quit) 20.31.38 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 20.34.50 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 20.36.15 Join Buschel_ [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.23 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.39.27 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.05 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 20.41.32 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-174-240.student.uu.se) 20.41.32 Quit n1s (Changing host) 20.41.32 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 20.41.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.50.52 Quit evilnick_B (Quit: Page closed) 20.52.10 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: Even if you're lying, please tell me everythings going to be fine.) 20.52.50 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.1.100) 21.00.39 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.03.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.05.13 Join thegeek [0] (~nnscript@172.80-203-148.nextgentel.com) 21.09.12 Join s1gma_ [0] (~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131) 21.12.28 Quit _s1gma (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.17.22 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.18.31 Join drizztbsd_ [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd) 21.19.33 Quit drizztbsd (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.20.14 # is it possible to charge the battery of ipod nano 2g via usb while using rockbox (without entering usb mode)? 21.20.40 Quit shai (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.21.05 # user890104: see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano2g/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3 21.21.34 # thanks gevaerts! 21.26.23 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 21.30.11 Join Thanatos [0] (~Nausicaa@c-71-239-58-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 21.30.40 Join Buschel_ [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.32.43 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.32.53 Nick Buschel_ is now known as Buschel (~chatzilla@p54A3BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.33.39 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 21.41.47 Join evilnick [0] (~Evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 21.49.33 Quit evilnick (Quit: TTFN) 21.53.05 Quit Thanatos (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.56.38 Nick drizztbsd_ is now known as drizztbsd (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd) 21.59.33 Join Thanatos [0] (~Nausicaa@c-71-239-58-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.13.02 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 22.24.21 Quit [sko]1 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.39.08 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 22.46.15 Quit hebz0rl (Quit: Leaving) 22.47.06 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.53.53 Quit bmbl (Quit: Bye!) 23.00.10 Quit keenerd (Quit: leaving) 23.03.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.51 Quit xvello_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.17.59 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B6786A.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.21.32 Quit Jaykay (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.23.05 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]) 23.30.04 Join basti [0] (~basti@xdsl-89-0-171-108.netcologne.de) 23.31.55 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 23.34.14 # i got a little problem with my h340 which is allready running with rockbox. i cant remember what happened, but while playing something it jumped into some debug mode and drained the battery. (at least it says its at 0% although it can run anyway). but ever since that, the navigation keys dont really work anymore. i cant use the down or up key. and when i want to load the original iriver firmware, it tries to start it, but nothing happens. i 23.34.15 # did reinstall both the bootloder and rockboc, but it didnt work. is it broken, or do i have some hope? 23.37.22 # What do you mean by "some debug mode"? A panic screen? 23.38.17 # idont know what a panic screen looks like. it said something like "debugging now" and something came up the screen 23.39.13 Join GeekShad0w [0] (~Antoine@47.46.201-77.rev.gaoland.net) 23.40.31 Quit jgarvey (Quit: Leaving) 23.41.07 Join GeekSh4dow [0] (~Antoine@47.46.201-77.rev.gaoland.net) 23.41.45 Quit GeekShadow (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.42.18 Nick GeekSh4dow is now known as GeekShadow (~Antoine@47.46.201-77.rev.gaoland.net) 23.42.21 # This happened by itself? 23.43.22 # i really cant remember that i did something out the normal stuff 23.44.16 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 23.44.17 # I'd guess you got a panic, although then I don't understand this 23.44.24 # "debugging now" bit 23.44.51 # fuck me. i just started the damn thing and it works again.... i booted it like 20 times and the keys didnt work. now all of the sudden it has chosen to work again.... 23.44.58 Quit GeekShad0w (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.45.11 # Maybe it didn't really have enough charge before? 23.45.28 # i havent it charged in that time 23.46.18 # and the battery indicator is at 70% now as it has been before the "blackout" 23.46.34 # and i ordered an ipod tody... 23.47.55 # I don't know then. Maybe a coincidence? Some dirt in the buttons that now went away? 23.49.41 # after that i disassembled it and cleaned every part with pressure air. dont know what went wrong. but the iriver firmware should have loaded 23.50.01 # which it does know 23.51.51 # Actually, if some buttons have bad contacts, they might report presses all the time, which might interfere with booting 23.53.26 Quit funman (Quit: Quitte) 23.54.20 Quit GeekShadow (Changing host) 23.54.20 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 23.55.07 # but if they report contact all the time, and i boot rockbox than shouldnt they navigate all the time, or do somthing else? that was not the case. they just did not work, respectively did the wrong thing 23.56.00 # That depends. If more than one button is stuck, probably nothing at all will work 23.56.22 # Other things may happen too, depending on how buttons are connected 23.58.04 Join surt [0] (~dcf4fa99@giant.haxx.se) 23.58.05 # ok. i guess i have to live with that mystery and the fact that i bought an ipod 23.58.32 # If it works now, I wouldn't worry about it