--- Log for 23.10.110 Server: hubbard.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 20 hours ago 00.00.00 # XaNdEr2k9: just enable it i think 00.00.03 # Enabling disk mode in iTunes isn't likely to fix the problem. A scan for disk errors might help. 00.00.14 # XaNdEr2k9: try this: make a folder on the device 00.00.25 # alexbobP, i already suggested that and it didn't work... 00.00.27 # Disk mode more or less allows / prevents you from seeing it as a disk, you should still be able to write to it if/when you can see it. 00.00.31 # krazykit: he couldn't make the folder? 00.00.34 # well that clears that up then 00.00.49 # XaNdEr2k9: what OS are you in right now, windows or linux? 00.00.54 # vista 00.01.11 # okay, go to control panel, find administrative tools, find "computer management", and go to the disk manager in it 00.01.20 # you can use that to reformat your mp3 player (back up anything you need first) 00.01.28 # give it a fresh fat32 and then try the rockbox again... 00.04.20 Quit XaNdEr2k9 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 00.04.28 Join XaNdEr2k9 [0] (~18b03610@giant.haxx.se) 00.05.26 # hang on getting interupt signals bad... comp needs restart iexplorer is being retarted 00.05.52 # ok there we go....restart maybe not needed 00.06.09 # reformatted through comp manager says healthy drive 00.06.28 # okay 00.06.30 # but on disk 1 (which claims to be ipod G:) 00.06.31 # can you make folders on it now? 00.06.50 # it says that there are 2 partitions and one is 78mb of unallocated space 00.06.57 # is that norm? 00.07.49 # still cant make folders but that could be due to restrictions of comp. I locked windows down too much and just havent had the motivation to change settings back 00.08.08 # XaNdEr2k9: yes don't touch that 00.08.15 # ok 00.08.32 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.08.42 # im new to the ipod stuff as far as tech side goes so is that the firmware partition? 00.09.18 # XaNdEr2k9: the unallocated space shouldn't be a problem, as long as it's at the end and not the beginning... 00.09.19 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.09.19 # XaNdEr2k9: thats the ipod operating system hidden ofcourse 00.09.31 # ok 00.09.40 Quit Llorean (Quit: Leaving.) 00.09.48 # XaNdEr2k9: you know if you have computer restrictions preventing you from writing to disk, those same restrictions are probably stopping rockbox utility from doing it :P 00.09.59 # it is showing up BEFORE the ipod G: part 00.10.07 # huh 00.10.12 # well I assume robin0800 knows what he's talking about 00.10.15 # so leave it alone 00.10.19 # I don't own an ipod, I use sansa... 00.10.23 # ahh 00.11.00 # well then if there is someone that ownes or knows ipod is the unallocated space supposed to show before or after the fat32 partiton? 00.11.46 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.12.13 # im not sure everything that the previous owner did to the unit, as i said earlier i just bought it from them today so they may have tried to jailbreak themselves and fucked up or something 00.12.50 # I don't think they would have been trying to jailbreak an ipod nano 00.12.52 # that'd be pretty dumb 00.13.01 # ok so if i take the ipod out of diskmode and reconnect and have itunes restore the ipod then would it maybe work 00.13.27 # i call all the shit nowdays jailbreak, thats my main intention is to jailbreak my ps3 with this one 00.13.28 # XaNdEr2k9: providing it worked after your restore it should be ok 00.13.44 # i have a nano 5th g that i use for norm use 00.13.57 # fo shame, no rockbox on the nano 5g :/ 00.14.20 # ya i know 00.14.28 # thats why i had to buy the 1 g today 00.15.18 # ok, disconnected ipod and everything seems to work like a normal out of box ipod 00.15.30 # had to select language after disconnect 00.15.43 # all norm OEM options are there 00.15.51 # XaNdEr2k9: tick the box on i tunes to enable disk mode 00.17.05 # as soon as i connect ipod itunes says it detected ipod in recovery mode and i must restore 00.17.08 Join KiwiCam [0] (~Kiwicam@ip-118-90-75-25.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) 00.17.12 # but i dont have it in manual disk mode 00.17.26 # menu+select to restart and connected back to pc 00.17.42 # norm for uninstalling rockbox bootload? 00.18.35 # restoring through itunes and waiting for restart 00.19.00 # gave me the same err again?????? 00.19.04 # ipod in recovery mode 00.19.16 # but i had music on it and it all ran and worked 00.19.21 Quit JdGordon1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.19.39 # maybe i should swich to laptop to install and stuff? 00.19.42 Join xxcv [0] (~asdf@c122-107-126-189.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 00.20.11 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.20.36 # switched to laptop on ipod and i can create folders through explorer now 00.20.47 # maybe my desktop itunes is corrupt 00.21.22 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E207F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.21.43 Join timccc [0] (~tim@112.166.15.141) 00.22.54 # one more question before i try setup on laptop.....do i HAVE to run ipod through itunes before install of rockbox? 00.23.32 Quit XaNdEr2k9 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 00.23.42 Join XaNdEr2k9 [0] (~18b03610@giant.haxx.se) 00.26.54 # ty to all who helped....i got it working just fine on laptop 00.26.54 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.27.17 # XaNdEr2k9: I could be wrong but I think you must enable disk mode 00.27.32 # that tells me that i need to reinstall my vista partition. thanx again for pointing out details... 00.27.38 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.27.42 Quit xxcv () 00.28.12 # XaNdEr2k9: in i tunes i mean 00.28.12 # i have rockbox on ipod now without disk mod or anything. just hooked up to laptop running vista only and ran autoinstall utility...didnt even use itunes 00.28.17 # worked like a charm 00.28.45 # didnt enable disk mode or anything, restored from desktop and plugged in throu laptop 00.29.59 # disconnected from laptop, ipod auto restarted and started into rockbox without a problem 00.30.01 # ty again ppl 00.30.21 # i guess you have a little added info now too, dont need disk mode and dont need itunes 00.30.21 Join wastrel [0] (~wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel) 00.30.28 # my mp3s disappeared from my rockbox 00.30.39 # at least for nano 1g 00.31.42 # and just to say......this shits pretty slick, kudos to programmers!!! 00.31.45 # i like it 00.31.58 # now port it to 5g so i can use it on that too!!!! 00.31.59 # lol 00.33.09 # i can see them when i mount w/ usb 00.33.20 # but in the rockbox interface, they aren't there 00.33.59 # XaNdEr2k9: from the front page Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g 00.34.37 # somehow the show files setting got hosed 00.34.41 # ipod nano 5g 00.34.49 # the new one with camera 00.34.52 # 8gig 00.35.00 # not useable 00.35.20 # just had to buy nano 1g with 1gig today to use 00.35.43 # getting ready to port ps3 jailbreak to it and jailbreak ps3 thru psgroove 00.39.12 Quit XaNdEr2k9 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 00.42.39 Join Kiwi_Cam [0] (~Kiwicam@ip-118-90-75-25.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) 00.45.50 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.56.23 # * bertrik wonders if FS#9591 is still relevant (Philips GoGear HDD16x0/HDD63x0 patches for power, sound, buttons, lcd ) 00.56.23 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.59.15 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 01.03.13 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.04.25 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 01.04.28 Join jessmanboo22 [0] (464e317e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.78.49.126) 01.04.40 Part jessmanboo22 01.21.03 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 01.24.17 Quit komputes (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.25.41 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 01.27.48 Quit _s1gma (Quit: Leaving) 01.27.49 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.28.42 Join jessmanboo22 [0] (464e317e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.78.49.126) 01.28.46 Part jessmanboo22 01.29.31 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 01.29.57 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106485b3917092d.vs.shawcable.net) 01.30.01 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 01.30.33 # Anybody in here know the pinout of the Olympus Mrobe-100's dock/usb connector? 01.32.03 # I've managed to figure out which ones are power and ground, however, I can't get it to connect to my PC so far 01.35.28 Quit bertrik (Quit: :tiuQ) 01.38.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.41.36 Part toffe82 01.58.43 Quit jordan` (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.58.44 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.01.08 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 02.12.02 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 02.13.34 Nick [Saint] is now known as S_a_i_n_t (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.144) 02.13.56 Quit ender` (Quit: If I had only finished this sentence,) 02.19.07 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 02.19.07 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.21.57 Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@jem75-13-78-235-252-137.fbx.proxad.net) 02.24.07 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Quit: I'm only going to Heaven if it tastes like caramel...) 02.24.17 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.144) 02.43.10 Quit Llorean (Quit: Leaving.) 03.10.07 Quit bluefoxx (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03.10.53 Join edboyer93 [0] (eboyer93@pool-71-185-65-59.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) 03.18.14 Quit froggyman (Remote host closed the connection) 03.38.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.01.39 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 04.05.30 Quit edboyer93 () 04.08.02 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.08.06 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.08.27 Join dys [0] (~andreas@krlh-5f7273c4.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.09.39 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 04.11.44 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 04.14.07 Quit MethoS- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.14.35 # Say I have a viewport (call it 1) which shows the Time. I'd like to set up a conditional where if %mp is Play, show the Time | Pause, show clock (and in ANOTHER viewport (2), the Next track | Fastforward - show an animation in this viewport 1 | Rewind, likewise, another animation. I've got a version going where it shows the text FF or RW and PAUSE, but the writing is too big for pause. 04.15.58 # ..yes. 04.17.08 # %?mp<|%vd(1)|your pause VP||your rewind VP|> 04.17.13 # So, I could either run some changing text such as "<<<<" for rewind, or use a bitmap in viewport 1. If I use text how do I animate that? With a bitmap, can I overlay another viewport over the existing one? 04.17.40 # it's never good to overlay viewports. 04.17.45 # So far, I've just got this: %?mp<|%ac%?St(time format)<%cH|%cl>:%cM|%ac PAUSE|%ac FF|%ac RW|||||> 04.17.53 # you can animate text using sublines just the same as an image 04.18.31 # if you're centering all your text...there's no need to have the alignment tags in every segment 04.18.38 # just begin the line with %ac 04.19.22 # I've created bitmap animations for FF and RW and they run fine in another viewport, so I'd like to integrate them with viewport 1. 04.19.42 # It would also be better to display your text in a conditional viewport if you can, instead of calling it with %mp 04.19.46 # but, that's up to you. 04.20.16 # Thinking... 04.20.17 # and sure, you can integrate them...just position them relative to the viewport you want to put them in. 04.21.21 # Conditional. So using Vl & Vd instead of just V( ??? 04.21.48 # yep. 04.21.50 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.23.35 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 04.24.31 # So the FF & RW viewports would be Preloads Vl ??? and the Clock viewport 1 would be a Vd ??? 04.25.03 # every %Vd needs to be %Vl'd 04.25.08 # if that makes sense to you. 04.25.50 # %V(blah) is always static..and will always be displayed. 04.27.07 Quit moli (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.28.20 # I need to get my head around it. Can you suggest another theme? iCatcher and iLike don't use this method. 04.29.08 # iLike calls viewports with other conditions in several places. 04.30.21 # I see now. What's the C as in %?C represent? 04.30.25 # volume and progressbar handling is a good example 04.30.37 # Must be Hold. 04.30.39 # %?C == "is Album art present" 04.31.16 # hold ==%?mh 04.31.57 # Ah ha. No album art in the Sansa Clip :) I was looking at Preload Images - %xl(C,Hold.bmp... 04.34.08 # Album Art. I've been completely skipping over that part of the help file as it wasn't relevant to the Clip. 04.34.25 # pretty sure the Clip(s) could do albumart...but it certainly wouldn't be pretty. 04.34.41 # Mind you, nothing's pretty on a Clip(s) display ;) 04.35.44 # You should see Doom on it ;) 04.36.06 # As in why did I bother? Heh heh. 04.36.34 # Doom on the Clip(s) is more of a novelty, it's really a miracle that even works. 04.36.46 # Whether its playable or not ;) 04.38.22 # Ok. So, I'll have a much closer look at your iLike theme and break it down, so I can understand how the preloads work. Thanks. 04.38.54 # from memory, there's only one or three static viewports in the entire theme. 04.41.29 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.43.00 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 04.43.44 # In iLike? 04.43.50 # Yeah. 04.47.35 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.50.29 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 04.51.37 # I don't really want to add to the thread, as it wasn't me that experienced it personally...well, it was kinda. but I just had someone at my door with a V2 Fuze I RB'd a while ago with this exact issue. 04.51.39 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24964.0 04.52.29 # I cracked 'er open, and there was some discolouring in the bottom left (looking at the front), or bottom right (looking at the back) of the PCB 04.52.44 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.52.47 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.52.49 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.53.00 # He had to bugger off for a bit, but I hope to get my paws on the device shortly to see what I can find out. 04.54.15 # also that weird "something's cookin' " electronic smell was quite evident on opening it up. it apparently coincided with ramping up wheel and backlight brightness to full for "daylight use" 04.54.19 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.54.20 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.54.40 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.57.23 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.00.02 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 05.01.19 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.27.13 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! 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It looks different than my tree and I don't know why to be honest. Maybe I screwed something up when hand editing offending hunks to apply cleanly to svn checkout. 10.14.09 # I suspected something like that 10.15.18 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 10.20.06 # pixelma: My statement was more along the lines of "it could probably be done, but it would look like ass". I'm aware it isn't done presently. 10.25.31 Quit Stummi (Excess Flood) 10.25.54 Join Stummi [0] (Stummi@doppeldenk.org) 10.26.11 Quit Stummi (Excess Flood) 10.26.27 Join Stummi [0] (Stummi@doppeldenk.org) 10.33.03 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA5279.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.40.43 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.54.11 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E2572.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.20.08 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-174-240.student.uu.se) 11.20.08 Quit n1s (Changing host) 11.20.08 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 11.20.51 Quit liar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.23.56 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.29.01 Join liar [0] (~liar@62.140.56.233) 11.32.29 # S_a_i_n_t, I think you can just do svn diff -r 11.33.38 # also very useful is svn diff -c to see all changes made in a certain commit (so you can make a patch to revert that change for example) 11.34.13 # bertrik: Thanks...was just resorting to reading the bloody gargantuan man page(s) for diff and svn 11.35.29 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.38.19 # S_a_i_n_t, I won't mind working a bit on a serial driver for IAP on the nano2g, except I don't have a nano2g and I don't have any ipod accessories 11.39.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.39.30 # Aha, right. Well, I could do I "hey guys...it's time to buy your own stuff" recall ;) 11.39.56 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.40.07 Join leavittx [0] (~leavittx@89.221.199.187) 11.40.17 Quit user890104 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 11.40.47 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee) 11.40.55 # Is any of those accessories you have an "active" one, I mean an accessory that actually interacts through the ipod accessory protocol? 11.42.33 # BTW, I notices we don't really have a nice serial port / UART API 11.42.57 # I'd assume so, I have a dock/wireless remote combo thing. 11.46.08 # Hmmm...now, how do I find out the revision of the Nano2G bootloader currently available via iPodpatcher...? 11.46.09 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.47.23 # ah...well, that was easy. assuming the SVN tags can be trusted. 11.47.51 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 11.49.55 # S_a_i_n_t: I realised that patch to put the backdrops into the audio buffer is STUPID, and I wont be commiting it any time soon :p 11.50.03 # it should use that buffer as a last resort, not firs 11.50.04 # t 11.50.35 # there's not a way to use it as a last resort though..as it knows on loading if it's going to fit or not. 11.50.46 # ie. before playback. 11.50.58 # so it kinda makes sense to steal from that buffer then. 11.51.10 # s/then/at that time/ 11.51.28 # the backdrop size is static so we can know if it will fit in the remaining buffer 11.51.34 # and backdrops are the last things to load 11.55.40 Quit linuxstb (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.56.00 Join user890104 [0] (~Venci@212.233.135.74) 11.57.17 # S_a_i_n_t: Does it work when run through embios? 11.57.18 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.57.34 # "it"? 11.57.39 # the svn bootloader 11.57.50 # (re 2 hours ago) 11.58.55 # Ah, Hmmm...I can't test that. The one Iloaderified Nano2G I have is at work with the GF. 11.59.04 # and that was *way* before emBIOS 11.59.50 # the only nano2G bootloader I know to work is v1.0 from ipodpatcher 12.00.13 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 12.00.33 Quit user890104 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12.01.00 # current SVN bootloader displays the Apple screen for a brief period, then whitescreens indefinitely 12.09.45 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@Venci-Notebook-LAN.ipv6.6bez10.info) 12.16.25 # TheSeven: the diff from the known good bootloader, and SVN is *tiny* 12.17.03 # I can't see anything obviously "bad" with my untrained/un-learned eye...but there's not a lot to choose from. 12.18.28 # yould you pastebin that somewhere? 12.18.42 # just doing that now. 12.20.47 # TheSeven: http://pastebin.ca/1970749 12.21.08 # 26286 (last ipodpatcher release) against current SVN 12.22.06 # domonoky: hey, did you have a vm to do theme site dev work with? 12.23.26 # S_a_i_n_t: whatever broke, it probably isn't in that file, but somewhere in a driver instead 12.23.32 # JdGordon: only a very old vm, dont know if it wouldnt be better to make a new one.. 12.23.37 # do you have that lcd sleep patch applied? 12.24.07 # Yeah, I do. 12.24.25 Join KiwiCam [0] (~Kiwicam@ip-118-90-75-25.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) 12.24.35 # clean svn doesn't whitescreen...but doesn't boot eaither 12.24.47 # I get a black screen instead ;) 12.25.30 # domonoky: I cant image the theme site has changed since :) 12.27.02 # S_a_i_n_t: Hey. Just a quite message. I'm onto it now. Thanks for the advice once again. 12.27.14 # quite = quick 12.27.51 # No worries, I learnt the same way you are now...dropped in the deep end ;) 12.27.51 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.28.22 # KiwiCam: hows your skinning effort going? how would you like to write up a beginners guide ? :) 12.28.28 # JdGordon: i will upload it somewhere, then you can try if it still works :-) 12.28.52 # JdGordon: Hey! 12.29.00 # quit pawning your work off! :P 12.29.23 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 12.29.49 # domonoky: cool, how big is it? 12.29.58 # ~200MB 12.30.13 # ok 12.30.46 # Assuming I get this forum thread thing working, is it possible to add a new column to the database without breaking everything? 12.30.59 # Or would I need to add a new table with theme id and the new info? 12.31.30 # it should be possible, sometime ago i added support for that.. 12.33.11 # private/db.class.php defines all tables, if you add something, it should export-modify-import the data in the table on first access. 12.33.52 # I'll bug you when I get my side working before fiddling there 12.33.59 # .... unless you can help with the php :D 12.34.25 # * domonoky doesnt know much php, just enough that i could fiddle with the themesite :-) 12.34.56 # :p ditto 12.44.18 # S_a_i_n_t: lockup without lcd changes when executed through embios 12.44.24 # this used to work a week ago 12.45.03 # svn bootloader's been broken since far longer than that. 12.45.20 # I've just started calling attention to it since you're additions to it. 12.45.28 # I'd like to see another bootloader release. 12.45.40 # i verified that it worked through embios after adding the menu button thing 12.45.54 # s/calling attention to it/calling attention to it again/ 12.46.06 # Hmmm, weird. 12.46.27 # personally, I haven't gotten an svn bootloader to work, ever. 12.46.42 # I'm stuck on 1.0 from ipodpatcher. 12.49.07 Join pacovila [0] (~544f9704@giant.haxx.se) 12.49.53 # Hello. FS#11694 is a patch to update Spanish language translation. Would someone take it a look? Thankyou! 12.50.44 Join user890104_ [0] (~Venci@212.233.135.74) 12.50.54 Quit user890104 (Read error: No route to host) 12.50.55 # if it's on the tracker, someone will look at it. 12.51.03 # pacovila: ^ 12.55.07 # S_a_i_n_t: hm, r28237 is also locking up 12.55.15 # * TheSeven wonders how exactly he tested this 12.57.30 # or, ...what variable allowed you to test it, that doesn't now. 12.58.27 # Honestly though, I have never successfully built/used an SVN bootloader...only one I've ever had boot RB is the v1.0 bundled in the ipodpatcher download 12.58.50 # * S_a_i_n_t is not quite sure why he added "honestly" there. 13.02.43 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@ppp-43-212.32-151.iol.it) 13.04.16 Quit user890104_ () 13.06.00 Quit GodEater (Read error: Operation timed out) 13.06.02 # Thankyou Saint 13.07.38 # pacovila: Spanish was updated 2 days ago (r28317) - is this new since then? 13.08.41 # Yes. Just look at the patch. Sorry for the noise; it is Yet Another Update. 13.09.16 # yes, I see 13.09.25 # Does the whitespace actually matter? 13.10.17 # yes it does, because edit.php shows the string as if it were different from source 13.10.40 # OK, but I don't think it actually matters for the lang file 13.10.43 # and therefore I have 6 strings tagged as different from source 13.10.54 # it matters for the stats 13.11.17 # yeah 13.11.21 # I have fixed some other issues along this 13.11.28 # yep, saw that 13.11.51 # Anyway, whilst the space doesn't matter for the actual translation, it might as well be fixed 13.12.12 # At the source, you mena 13.12.12 # oops. Mean 13.13.03 # but english.lang is autogenerated, right? 13.14.19 # S_a_i_n_t: I think I know what broke it... 13.14.30 # pacovila: No, it is the base lang file - people add stuff to it when they add a new feature 13.14.32 # TheSeven: Oh? 13.14.34 # but I have no explanation how it could work for me recently 13.14.44 # ah...I see. 13.15.05 # what's your take on what broke it? 13.15.13 # AlexP: understood, so I could well patch english lang as well 13.15.18 # but that would mess everyone elses' translations 13.15.42 # yeah, you have to be a little careful in english.lang 13.16.25 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 13.16.25 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 13.16.25 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 13.16.28 # Then, the correct is *:[space]none or *:none w/o space ? 13.16.36 # no idea :) 13.16.41 # :) 13.17.30 # the convention seems to be "[space]:[space "[space]:[space]", even 13.17.52 # two problems I see. One is unconsistency at the space thing, the other is edit.php not being able for a user to edit this difference 13.18.55 # JdGordon: upload finished: http://www.ifeelbeta.de/webserver.zip 13.19.25 # thanks, that shuld only take a few hours to dl on my connection :p 13.21.49 # S_a_i_n_t: boot.lds/crt0.S is totally screwed for the bootloader build 13.22.20 # rather ignore them 13.22.21 # Other solution would be problems.php be space insensitive and to handle those strings as equivalent, and not mark them as problems 13.24.00 # rasher: you about? 13.28.00 # pacovila: Is it intended that you removed a couple of voice tags, like ""Compositor"? 13.28.40 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@91-65-112-37-dynip.superkabel.de) 13.32.56 # again, those were tagged by problems.php as potential problems. 13.33.04 # english.lang does not have any voice here 13.33.20 Join webguest30 [0] (~6efa8de8@giant.haxx.se) 13.33.20 Quit RiJo (Quit: Page closed) 13.33.37 # thats why I removed them (I could be wrong) 13.34.14 # OK, I don't know - I'll wait for rasher (our lang guru) 13.35.39 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 13.36.50 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.37.56 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 13.37.58 # I have to leave. Please comment any news at the tracker. Thank you 13.38.14 Join RiJo [0] (53e33081@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.227.48.129) 13.39.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.39.31 # sure, and thanks 13.42.03 Quit pacovila (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 13.45.47 # is there any way to make sure there is *no* alignment between sections? 13.45.47 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.46.16 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 13.47.20 # TheSeven: What is it exactly that it "screwed up"? 13.47.30 # *is 13.49.01 # failing that, do you know what revision the "screwing" was added in, so I can be nosey? 13.50.28 # domonoky: that's a VM where I can make changes o the theme site and test them from e.g. the host system? 13.51.25 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.51.58 # pixelma: its a vm with a webserver in it, and a older version of the themesite installed. so if you update the themesite data and add your changes you can test it locally. 13.52.32 Join _s1gma [0] (~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131) 13.53.11 # mind if I download it too (and updating just means running "svn up" or is there more to it)? 13.54.35 # download it if you want. updating means copiing the data to it via ftp or alike. 13.54.57 # Also i dont know what else needs updating, because i didnt use that since a long time. 13.55.12 # the themes in it are probably still in the old format. 13.55.22 # hmm 13.56.25 # ok, guess I won't do it for now 13.56.25 # AlexP: AFAIK it doesn't matter if there is a space between feature : and lang string and "composer" is probably not voiced as it is used in the track info screen and only voicing the items might be a bit weird if you can't voice the tags 13.56.51 # haven't looked at the patch though, just commenting on what's been discussed here 13.57.20 # maybe "somebody" should create a new VM, to test themesite changes :-) 13.57.32 # and keep it updated :) 13.58.15 # and with less hacks in it :-) 13.59.20 # can we get a dump from the current server so the themes are actually working? 13.59.23 # s/themes/db 14.00.53 # you need the db and the theme files for that.. 14.01.27 # why isnt http://pastebin.com/CgQGdZ9Y working? :( 14.02.58 # doh! extra " 14.04.20 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.04.29 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 14.05.03 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E198B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.06.54 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r28329): Add a forum integration class. Right now can only create a new thread. Eventually use this to create threads for comments for new themes 14.07.33 # domonoky: any chance you want to get that working when themes are added? :D 14.07.36 Join teru [0] (~teru@KD059133111160.ppp.dion.ne.jp) 14.08.19 # JdGordon: i am probably too busy with other things, todo that. 14.08.41 # r28329 build result: All green 14.19.09 # hey teru, do you have any plans to make dirbrowse() work nicer for the playlist catalog? (so that patch isnt such a horrible hack) 14.19.15 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.21.15 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 14.25.24 # JdGordon: no. but with r28328, i think patch could be simpler a bit. 14.29.13 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Quit: (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by MadHouse)))) 14.29.27 Join balintx [0] (~balintx@fibhost-67-58-201.fibernet.hu) 14.30.37 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@adsl-71-158-161-74.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) 14.36.51 # is there a way to check theme names against the themesite, and the 3.6 cloned themesite? 14.37.04 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 14.37.30 # just thinking ahesd to 3.7 for when the clone won;t be needed, it'd be nice to give the guys a chance to update their themes/move them onto the "real" themesite 14.37.38 # *ahead 14.37.46 # pixelma: Yes, I think the same 14.37.55 Quit merbanan (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.38.11 # pixelma: Still, it is probably a good idea to make the spaces match just so the translation site doesn't moan 14.38.56 Quit Ramsey[LC] (Remote host closed the connection) 14.39.22 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 14.40.59 # teru: While you're here...I've been using FS#11673 since you added it, and I think it's definitely worth commiting. 14.41.16 # Much better than the scrolling text in svn pictureflow 14.48.00 # New commit by 03teru (r28330): fix leak-file-handles. 14.48.41 # r28330 build result: All green 14.49.52 # S_a_i_n_t: you never replied to the theme setttings task... is per skin better than a single file? 14.50.16 # I think so, personally. 14.50.21 # That's why I said so ;) 14.51.44 # arg... I meant you didnt reply to my reply :) 14.52.21 # Hmmm...there's a chance my butt-ass webmail spam-canned the message. 14.53.33 # Oh, no...I read that. 14.53.51 # You said one thing, I said another...you wanted more opinions...I didn;t think you meant from me ;) 14.54.56 # as far as "If every themes settings are in the one file it would force themers to work together on nameing schemes" <---yeah, nice idea...but it's not gonna happen. 14.55.41 # that's why I think each theme should have it's own, then the themer can do it and that's that. 14.56.38 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.57.11 # I suggested a similar file system for global-theme translations, but if I remember the conversation it was decided that while the idea was nice in theory the likelyhood of themers working together on it was slim to none. 14.57.14 # I think that if each has its own people would be less likely to even know about it 14.58.04 # theme translation isnt going to involve themers at all, I would just translate all plain text (possible remove the %Sx() tag also) 14.58.24 # the problem with it being global, is/are different languages, versioning, potential for bloat.. 14.58.36 # I think a per-theme system is more practical 14.59.12 # If you only have one theme using it, it seems silly to have a file with potentially 100s of settings that theme will never use 14.59.44 # true 15.00.20 # but it makes it harder to just use the settings you want with a new theme because seperate files means themers don't have to care about conventions 15.00.34 # or at least what other themes se for their setting name/values 15.01.11 # I'm not sure they would anyway. 15.01.25 # someone would have to go through the file constantly searching for duplicates 15.01.26 # They'd have to 15.02.06 # they wouldn;t have to, in theory you could have 100 differently named settings that all did the same thing in the same file 15.02.40 # yes, true, but there is a (currently) 32 hard limit which would force themeres to work together 15.02.48 # or users to keep their file clean 15.03.22 # if there's a hard limit, I also see a per-theme system being more practical. 15.03.32 # as then it would be a hard limit per theme, no? 15.03.39 # yes 15.03.58 # 32 custom settings over 10 themes is only 3.2 each 15.04.11 # well, its really only a lmiit because the code to make it infinite is more complictaed than I could be bothered with right now 15.06.19 # I also think that if there's a global file that needs to be retrieved from the wiki (or other place), that it will quickly fall out of sync with themes that don't get maintained by the author..but if it is packaged with the theme, the author will have more of a chance of keeping it up to date. 15.06.38 # or, once it's written, even if it's never updated, it won't have to be. 15.07.00 # it would be up to the user to keep it in sync 15.08.59 # It shouldn't be the authors job? the author is the one naming the settings, and configuring the allowed values. 15.09.03 # make install 15.09.08 # er, ooops 15.09.57 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E1538.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.10.04 # S_a_i_n_t: no... the settings are configured in the skin file. this extra file is what for the user to say what value he wants 15.10.12 # * TheSeven wonders how to reorganize that bootloader mess 15.10.21 # rm -Rf 15.10.33 # ;) 15.10.37 # one way to do it... 15.11.02 # actually.. I'm thinking per theme does make more sense 15.11.25 # w00t! I don;t have to come up with a fresh point! 15.11.26 # I'm tempted to say "with a global one also" but think that is overkill 15.11.35 # yeah. 15.12.31 # * JdGordon wonders about porting checkwps to a plugin 15.13.36 # if you do, it might make sense to run it at boot..."you have a theme that has no chance of working...it's this" 15.13.40 # actually, fuck that. 15.13.48 # we'd al suffer then...silly idea time. 15.15.16 # there's no stupid ideas, only stupid people... 15.15.20 # or is that backwards? 15.15.43 # either way works, depends on the context ;p 15.15.52 # bertrik: I'm probably about to break the meizu bootloader again... 15.16.48 # ok, so themename_settings.txt? themename.settings? themename.conf ? 15.16.57 # it cant be themename.cfg for obvious reasons 15.17.18 # themename.settings if I had to pick one 15.18.12 # gevaerts: what do you think should I do about the screendump problem? 15.18.25 # I haven't tried it yet, for fear of the theme not being uploaded...even though it would be simple to remove it and try again but would the themesite complain about themename.txt as a README? 15.18.26 # JdGordon 15.18.31 # + :^ 15.18.32 # my fix for it messes with the file system code, I'm not sure if I should just commit that 15.18.57 # S_a_i_n_t: this file must not be included in the zip 15.19.10 # it defeats the purpose if it is 15.19.18 # TheSeven: Pretty sure gevaerts isn't back from the GSoC meeting yet. 15.19.56 # JdGordon: Errr...yeah, I was asking if a themename.txt could be added as a readme, and if the themesite would have a cry about it. 15.20.06 # dunno 15.20.11 # it should allow it 15.20.35 # I was actually thinking that checkwps could check for %Sl() and require a readme.txt if it is used 15.20.40 Join ben [0] (~50dd3370@giant.haxx.se) 15.20.48 # and even autogenerate one 15.20.48 # S_a_i_n_t: can you check if the bootloader works properly with http://pastie.org/1242940 ? 15.21.01 # that fixes it when run through embios at least 15.21.11 # you might also want to test without the lcd sleep patch if it still fails 15.22.06 # TheSeven: Yeah, sure. If you're up still in the next hour I'll be able to report back. Well, I'll report back regardless. 15.22.25 # S_a_i_n_t: it's 3pm here, so yes :) 15.31.00 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 15.35.28 Quit ben (Quit: CGI:IRC) 15.39.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.48.32 Join domonoky1 [0] (~Domonoky@agsb-d9bd972b.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.48.33 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.49.19 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 15.49.24 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.50.51 Quit domonoky (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16.08.51 # * S_a_i_n_t looks into what's needed to make voice build smart enough to only generate needed voice files and draws a blank. 16.10.27 # TheSeven: for 3.7 or trunk? 16.10.40 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 16.10.49 # trunk 16.11.08 # for 3.7 i would just commit an #ifdef'ed stack size change for nano2g 16.13.42 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 16.13.44 # If you think it's a good fix, I think committing is fine 16.13.44 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.14.05 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 16.15.26 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 16.18.48 # gevaerts: it's the one with the dynamic on-stack array for the file name, instead of MAX_PATH 16.19.13 # TheSeven: No dice :-/ 16.19.30 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 16.20.14 # S_a_i_n_t: not even without the lcd patch? 16.20.21 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 16.20.47 # TheSeven: Nup. 16.20.58 # still the same misbehavior as before? 16.21.37 # TheSeven: that sounds fine to me 16.21.46 # yeah, I'm getting apple screen then a black screen with no backlight without the LCD patch, and apple screen with a white screen with backlight with the LCD patch 16.21.57 # TheSeven: why not allocated worst case size always? 16.22.14 # with the patch, backlight fades after 1min, which is my timeout...so I feel something is running unless that's a default 16.22.17 # n1s: because that wastes space and was the cause of stack overflows 16.22.30 # gevaerts: it might misbehave terribly if some non-string or a string with excessive size is passed 16.22.50 # TheSeven: weird bahaviour here!?! 16.22.53 # TheSeven: but if you sometimes need that much space it will just make the stack overflow less likely, not actually fix it 16.23.24 # with USB plugged, if I leave it (with the LCD patch) after the LCD sleeps, when I wake it RB is booted and in the USB screen. 16.23.46 # n1s: it will actually fix it for the usb thread, which knows that it will only need 32 characters (for the screen dump file name) and not 260 or whatever 16.23.54 # without LCD patch I just get blackscreen...and no RB 16.25.05 # TheSeven: yes but if 32 is big enough for the worst case why not always alloc 32? 16.25.11 # RB isn't running if USB isn't plugged when the LCD wakes...err, WTF? 16.25.17 # because it's in generic file system code 16.25.26 # aha 16.27.14 # n1s it will fix it for code paths with known string lengths 16.27.41 # gevaerts: right 16.28.05 # Hmmm...ok, inconsistent resuts. 16.28.40 # \thesaren't we in bad trouble then anuyway? 16.29.05 # USB appears to have nothing to do with it, which is good as that baffled me, RB is running 5/10 times when the LCD wakes (after being left to sleep). 16.29.44 # weird it only seems to boot here *with* the LCD sleep patch. 16.29.45 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.30.24 # But I have to wait for the LCD to sleep to be able to view the screen (bright white screen prior to sleeping) 16.30.57 # the disadvantages I know of are the following: 1. possible misbehavior if called with parameters that shouldn't ever end up there, 2. 4 bytes more stack usage, 3. a few bytes more binsize, 4. this code now doesn't ensure the name length is below MAX_PATH any more 16.30.57 # voiced menus confirm RB is actually booting, and I can get to playback...but only *with* the lcd sleep patch 16.31.17 # 1 and 4 can probably be mitigated by adding a check and truncating to MAX_PATH if neccessary 16.32.28 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 16.41.28 # TheSeven: any idea why the LCD sleep patch would allow booting, but only ~50% of the time, and without 0% of the time? 16.41.49 # I guess that's a silly question, as you'd probably of fixed it if you did. 16.45.12 # fwiw, I'm using the third version of liar's LCD sleep...which greatly reduces the bootloaders overall size (only + ~2Kb from SVN) 16.47.57 # New commit by 03teru (r28331): fix leak-file-handles. 16.55.37 # S_a_i_n_t: Please don't make wild guesses and make it sound like they're based in fact. 16.55.44 # Lang strings *should* (to avoid issues with the automatic translator) be ": " 16.56.26 # Even the most cursory glance at english.lang would show this. 16.57.48 # rasher: Do you see the conversation I was having earlier about the spacing between *: and none ? 16.58.20 # Yes, I firmly believe the fix is to make english.lang consistent, rather than trying to turn edit.php into a simple text editor 16.59.04 # OK, so for this patch I'll just commit the actual language changes 16.59.12 # gah...I was under the impression I had said just that. I messed up the c/p sever times trying to mimic the OPs convention...and added [space] before the colon. Apologies. 16.59.21 # *several 16.59.32 # rasher: Then ideally I guess, every translation should be gone through to make them the same 17.00.22 Quit teru (Quit: Quit) 17.00.36 # Yes indeed. I'll do that. As soon as my other computer decides to boot.. 17.00.52 # OK, cool - I'll let you do that first :) 17.08.22 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@ppp-71-140-88-15.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) 17.09.30 # * rasher slaps JdGordon 17.10.57 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4AC0E.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.13.55 # New commit by 03rasher (r28332): Make english.lang use consistant spacing to avoid problems with the automatic translation site ("*:none" is wrong - "*: none" is right). Change other ... 17.14.07 # New commit by 03rasher (r28333): Make english.lang use consistant spacing to avoid problems with the automatic translation site ("*:none" is wrong - "*: none" is right). Change other ... 17.15.49 # r28332 build result: All green 17.16.43 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.17.51 # AlexP: Spanish is now at 100% 17.18.08 # rasher: Yeah, there are some English bits in there though 17.18.26 # e.g. - recording_swcodec: "Bitrate" 17.18.27 # + recording_swcodec: "Tasa de bits" 17.18.30 # from his patch 17.18.37 # Yes, you're going to apply that? 17.18.47 # just the translation bits 17.18.59 # yes in other words :) 17.19.11 # I'm just stripping the *:none spacing bits out 17.19.14 # I guess it would've been easier if you did yours first, since the patch won't apply now, I guess 17.19.29 Join Rondom [0] (~quassel@dslb-084-057-152-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.19.32 # well these are hos, I don't speak Spanish 17.19.43 # I'm just picking the bits out of his patch tht are left 17.19.56 # Sounds good 17.21.37 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 17.23.43 # New commit by 03rasher (r28334): There is no rockbox subdir 17.24.32 # New commit by 03rasher (r28335): More revisions to ignore 17.25.58 # * gevaerts heads out again 17.31.44 # * rasher is slightly unhappy with menu strings ending in " Settings" 17.32.04 # rasher: Do you know if LANG_FM_STATION_HEADER is ever voiced? I assume it isn't as English doesn't have a voice string 17.32.29 # Presumably not, then. No idea though 17.33.05 # There are two voice string he removes - English doesn't have them so Ia ssume it is safe and that they were just added in error in the first place 17.33.23 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 17.33.33 # Or maybe the english voice string was removed 17.33.44 # mmmm 17.34.04 # I could just leave them I suppose, I don't imagine it can do any harm 17.34.29 # Well they would (ever so slightly) bloat spanish voice files 17.35.03 # What d'ya reckon? :) 17.35.13 # should they stay or should they go? 17.35.34 # I'd dump them 17.35.43 # k, I concur 17.35.47 # 3-D has a dash now? 17.35.55 # * rasher has never seen that 17.37.36 # I thought it originally had a dash and lost it over the years. 17.38.34 # LANG_DEPTH_3D has a dash 17.38.35 Quit S00row (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.38.46 # Oh, I just meant in general. 17.38.54 # * Llorean didn't notice he wasn't in -community 17.39.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.39.22 Join S00row [0] (~Administr@27-33-98-164.static.tpgi.com.au) 17.39.29 # New commit by 03alex (r28336): FS#11694 by Francisco Villa - update Spanish. 17.39.58 # New commit by 03alex (r28337): FS#11694 by Francisco Villa - update Spanish. 17.40.14 Quit Xerion (Quit: ) 17.40.34 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@541939BB.cm-5-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 17.41.27 # r28336 build result: All green 17.43.08 # New commit by 03rasher (r28338): Updated Danish translation 17.43.25 # New commit by 03rasher (r28339): Updated Danish translation 17.43.34 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Help me, i got shot! *DIES*) 17.45.07 # r28338 build result: All green 17.47.18 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 17.47.54 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 17.47.54 Quit t0rc (Client Quit) 17.48.14 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 17.51.22 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 18.00.33 # New commit by 03rasher (r28340): Ignore some phrases which will almost always be unchanged (less clutter) 18.02.51 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@chello087206240131.chello.pl) 18.04.47 # Can you review FS#11697 please? I think this major bug in buildsystem and need to be fixed before release 18.09.38 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 18.09.38 Join Ramsey[LC] [0] (~RamseyLC]@71.158.161.74) 18.11.59 Quit MagusG (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.12.23 Join NTKM [0] (~NTKM@KD111100198040.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) 18.12.31 Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-71-59-57-46.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 18.13.53 Quit NTKM (Client Quit) 18.15.23 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-81-220.unitymediagroup.de) 18.25.26 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 18.29.12 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 18.30.30 Quit Rondom (Remote host closed the connection) 18.46.25 Quit parafin (Remote host closed the connection) 18.46.39 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 18.46.51 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.48.11 # wodz: I don't think it's a major bug 18.48.33 # and fixes should probably go to the makefiles instead of version.sh 18.49.44 # hmmm...RB is reporting my Nano2Gs as fully charged when the debug - batter screen reports 97% 18.49.48 # what gives? 18.49.56 # *battery 18.50.42 # after RB says it is chaged, the OF will continue to charge for some time. 18.54.10 # kugel: why do You think fixes should go to Makefiles? For me it is much more intuitive to fix version.sh 19.02.23 Join Rondom [0] (~quassel@lvps178-77-79-47.dedicated.hosteurope.de) 19.02.36 Join anewuser [0] (kvirc@unaffiliated/anewuser) 19.06.03 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 19.07.04 Quit pjm0616 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.07.21 Join pjm0616 [0] (~user@110.9.28.120) 19.07.33 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4AC0E.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.32.34 # what voltage is RB saying? 19.35.35 # 4.302 19.35.58 Join Staphylo [0] (~Bullet@AMontsouris-159-1-37-29.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.36.42 # I think we use 4.20 volt as max charge voltage for many other players 19.36.44 # that's on the high side if anything. 19.37.02 # What is borked that RB calls 4.302v 97%? 19.37.09 # Or am I missing something? 19.38.56 # both the charge curve and the discharge curve goes up to 4.310 volt 19.39.03 # another one I just checked is saying 94% == 4.275 19.39.05 Quit t0rc (Remote host closed the connection) 19.39.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.39.33 # (in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/powermgmt-nano2g.c) 19.40.24 # S_a_i_n_t, do you know what voltage rockbox indicates when it has just been charged by the OF? 19.41.08 # bertrik: No, but...I could tell you in time. 19.41.56 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 19.42.05 # bertrik: Am I supposed to have the option to set inter-ear delay using meier_v2.patch? 19.42.10 # as I don't seem to. 19.42.14 # S_a_i_n_t, no 19.42.33 # aha...so, why's there a "custom" setting? 19.42.40 # do I set that through the .cfg? 19.43.12 # in that patch "custom" refers to the regular rockbox crossfeed 19.43.12 # The H10_5GB goes > 4.2 as well 19.43.47 # bertrik: Aha...excellent, well...that clears things up. 19.44.15 # and the c200. But most don't cross that "line" @ 4.2 19.44.36 # I'd like to have the best of both worlds though, adjustable delay, *and* meier so I can pick and choose ;P 19.46.48 # yea, Nano2G appears to be the only one to cross 4.25 19.47.05 # google says 4.2 +-0.05 is "max" per cell. 19.47.54 # interestingly though, each battery screen appears to display a slightly different +/- ~.010 reading 19.48.15 # (in debug - battery) 19.48.19 # soap: In general li-ion should not exceed 4.2V per cell 19.48.59 # Hmmmm...all are reading greater then 4.2 at less then 100% 19.49.05 # *than 19.49.27 # that's what one would expect from powermgmt-nano2g.c as bertrik linked. 19.50.14 # Why it such a higher-peaking curve than all the others I looked at (all the arms and coldfires) I don't know. 19.52.32 # Honestly, I don't understand why the top and bottom voltages vary so much amongst all the lithium-powered players. IIRC different players have different safe shutdown voltages to ensure safe powerdown of all system, but even amongst the HDD ipods there is great variation on shutdown voltage. 19.53.22 # *all systems 19.55.41 # S_a_i_n_t, soap, bertrik: charging is hardware-controlled on the nano 2g 19.55.47 # we're only monitoring it 19.55.52 # and am I reading powermgmt-ipod-pcf.c right that the iPod 4G grayscale has a shutdown voltage of 3.00??? 19.56.42 # the hardware only starts charging if the voltage is below a certain threshold (4.15V or something), which explains the "not charging, but <100%" state 19.56.53 # soap: If so this is *way* too low 19.56.59 # TheSeven: out of interest, have you ever heard your nano2g make a kind of crackling noise? 19.57.14 # out of the case or the headphones? 19.57.19 # case 19.57.35 # wodz, my point, The nano otherwise is the lowest at 3,2. Perhaps a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and I'm missing where else the 4G gets defined. 19.57.49 # TheSeven, so we cannot configure anything about the charging process? On the sansas, charging is also hardware-controlled, but we can set the max voltage and max current. 19.58.02 # One of mine seems to do it all the time now, backlight seems to set it off, as well as boosting, and rockboy. 19.58.23 # (crackling noise from somewhere up near the LCD, from the back) 19.58.35 # we can only switch between no USB power / 100mA max current draw / 500mA max current draw / unlimited current draw (hardware limits at 2.7A) 19.58.53 # the maximum current and voltage for the battery is programmed through voltage dividers IIRC 19.59.14 # battery charging current is limited at ~120mA, so the 500mA/unlimited setting is rather useless 19.59.33 # S_a_i_n_t: that is probably the piezo speaker doing nonsense 20.00.22 # ah...that's good to know. I had suspected that, but it really tricks me into "something is burning! EEEEEEK!" 20.00.41 # even if it's not that, I'll tell myself it is so I can sleep better ;) 20.00.58 # it might also be some voltage regulator coil being driven at audible frequencies 20.01.45 # glue to the rescue! 20.01.47 # as long as everything works fine and the battery current is within reasonable limits, i wouldn't worry too much 20.05.09 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 20.07.57 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 20.08.52 Join freebeer [0] (~freebeer@0x4dd431d0.adsl.cybercity.dk) 20.10.03 # soap, what I've seen in battery benchmarks is that voltage drop vs time is relatively linear downto about 3.6V, it drops really fast below that. It seems there is not that much energy left below 3.6V and IMO it's not much use to put the shutdown voltage much lower than 3.6V. 20.11.16 # only risking a hard shutdown on HDD spinup, eh? 20.25.03 Join liar_ [0] (~liar@212095007165.public.telering.at) 20.28.46 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.32.03 Quit liar_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.33.07 # kugel: some things I noticed with people trying RaaAoA with absolute point mode is that apparently selecting a list item is sometimes tricky, since it detects dragging sometimes instead of tapping 20.33.39 # the threshold is quite small, it could be increased 20.33.48 # * gevaerts prepares for flames 20.33.51 # Maybe a setting? 20.34.10 # This may actually depend on screen DPI 20.35.20 # maybe half the font size (with the minimum a bit bigger than what we have now)? 20.36.14 # possibly 20.36.27 # I've not tried it myself, I just watched 20.40.08 Quit benedikt93 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.43.14 Join liar_ [0] (~liar@62.140.41.105) 20.46.30 # can anyone give me a link to the nano2g bootloader ipodpatcher and rbutil are using by default? 20.46.42 # i have a strong suspicion that it's purely luck that this one works... 20.47.01 # http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodnano2g.ipodx I guess 20.47.04 # (it's probably executing some uninitialized memory) 20.47.31 # Sounds interesting :) 20.48.53 # or skipping some instructions in crt0.S 20.49.30 # the .init.text section is aligned to a 0x10 byte boundary, but the padding for it doesn't seem to be actually present in the file 20.51.51 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 20.52.36 Join NickPapagiorgio [0] (~opera@dslb-084-057-017-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.52.47 Part NickPapagiorgio 20.52.49 Join NickPapagiorgio [0] (~opera@dslb-084-057-017-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.54.19 Join avacore [0] (~avacore@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk) 20.54.21 Quit freebeer (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.55.50 # hm, funny, this binary is fine, while the one from SVN isn't 20.56.21 # the .init.text section doesn't seem to have been aligned at all in the binary, which is just fine 20.56.34 # an eabi switchover issue? 20.56.43 # oh yeah, that might be true 20.56.59 # * TheSeven hadn't thought of this and couldn't find anything suspicious in the svn logs 20.57.02 Quit Horschti (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.57.21 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.58.15 # proposed fix: http://pastie.org/1242940 20.58.26 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E07EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.06.10 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 21.15.25 Nick liar_ is now known as liar (~liar@62.140.41.105) 21.22.40 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.23.10 Quit froggyman (Remote host closed the connection) 21.23.29 Part NickPapagiorgio 21.30.50 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 21.30.52 # I implemented the multimedia keys with SYS_EVENTs now, that makes it easy to have rockbox react on them globally 21.31.04 # but it feels a bit strange, does anyone have other ideas? 21.36.10 # it cannot be done fundamentally different, but I think it needen't be SYS_EVENTs necessarily 21.36.10 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.28) 21.37.19 # kugel: can you elaborate why proper fix of VERSION problem should be in Makefiles and not in version.sh? 21.37.45 # the VERSION thing was always handled by the makefiles 21.38.12 # and this was changed 21.38.20 # and broken BTW 21.39.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.42.42 # well I don't know and I don't really care too :) 21.48.07 # wodz: Your fix seems fine to me. I agree with kugel that it's not a "major bug" though. It's also irrelevant to the 3.7 release - bootloaders are generally released independently. 21.48.22 Quit t0rc (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.49.25 # linuxstb: But when building release binaries You have to have some way to force particular version string. 21.50.06 # Isn't that done by hard-coding the release in version.sh and committing that change to the release branch? 21.50.24 # (you could check the 3.6 branch) 21.52.34 # linuxstb: yes it was done like this 21.52.57 # You could do the same with bootloaders, but it's always seemed a bit of overkill to me to create bootloader branches. 21.53.18 # bootladers are tagged 21.53.36 # Yes, but some have also had their own branches. 22.01.43 # I found this strange that 1) process of releasing such sensible thing like bootloader is not described at all 2) when instructions obtained on IRC do not work (because some commit broke VERSION thing) devs don't care 22.04.47 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.17.13 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@p3E9E023D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.22.03 # wodz: I don't think anyone would disagree the bootloader release process should be documented. It's simply something no-one has got round to doing. 22.22.37 # I've wanted to start a page that both documents the release process, and provides a history of bootloader releases. But never got round to it... 22.23.54 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 22.29.12 Join simpledev [0] (~8b8f05a0@giant.haxx.se) 22.29.30 # hi guys, quick question 22.29.56 # i'm trying to change the menu order in rb, i have the source but dont know which file needs to be changed 22.30.05 # spent about 3 hours tryin to figure it out! 22.30.10 # anyone know? 22.30.23 # Look in apps/menus/ 22.34.12 # ah, the online docs imply /gui is where you need to look, thanks! 22.34.50 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 22.36.53 Quit simpledev (Quit: CGI:IRC) 22.41.52 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.156) 22.45.35 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.46.05 Join flan_suse [0] (61675f5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.103.95.90) 22.46.31 # When updating to a current release daily build, is it a good idea to also re-install themes and fonts? 22.46.43 # Or do they not coincide? 22.47.19 # the fonts change very very rarely 22.47.40 # and themes from the themesite are updated whenver their author uploads a new version, nothing to do with the build 22.47.57 # If you are updating from 3.6 though, the syntax changed 22.47.57 # Torne: Got it, and thanks. 22.48.05 # So you'll need to get updated themes 22.48.10 # but this is not normal 22.48.20 # AlexP: Well I'm using a Sansa Clip+, so I need to use the daily builds. 22.48.27 # OK, should be fine 22.48.58 # I update maybe once every few days, but I also re-install themes and fonts as well, thinking that they are tied into each daily build release. But I guess not. 22.49.07 # ah yeah, no need to do that 22.49.11 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@pool-72-69-208-236.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.49.15 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 22.49.15 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@unaffiliated/froggyman) 22.49.20 # the themes that come with the build are included in the build when you update; other themes are yeah, just when teh author does 22.49.33 # the fonts are separated specifically so you *don't* have to reinstall them when you upgrade 22.49.36 # Torne: Oh I see. 22.49.40 # since they are pretty big compared to the build 22.50.01 # we rarely change them and even when we do the fonts zipfile on the website is only updated once a week or something 22.50.22 # I'll just skip those then when updating. 22.50.50 # I really like the literal_more theme. Works very well with the Sansa Clip+ small screen size. 22.51.08 # Fits a lot of relevant info in such a tiny screen, without making it hard to read either. 22.52.56 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.56.10 Quit flan_suse (Quit: Page closed) 23.18.25 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.27.13 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 23.37.56 Quit toffe82 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.39.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.40.31 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-67-62-176.mcn.bellsouth.net)