--- Log for 10.12.110 Server: anthony.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 23 hours ago 00.00.08 # stable sucks balls because almost everything is liek 2 years old :/ 00.00.35 # sorry in case cursing is not allowed here, but when i'm drunk i'm more honest than polite 00.01.11 # I know what you mean :) 00.02.07 # testing is a lot better in that regard but its still a bit weee to me because i had issues with it on several occasions before 00.02.33 # awkward stuff and then i had third party stuff installed that 00.02.51 # #debian didn't like hearing about -> support issues 00.04.32 # they used to be pretty tight even about backports or deb-multimedia repos until a year ago or so 00.04.41 # anyway, this is not #debian ;) 00.05.53 # taking a look aaround what i could use for the future bootloader/HAL linux system i kinda came up empty except for a heavily modified LFS system, really 00.07.04 # i like the idea especially since i could probably learn a lot from building a system from ground up 00.07.22 # that won't be particularly small 00.07.27 # LFS is not for embedded 00.07.45 # just use openembedded to build something 00.07.52 # or buildroot 00.08.07 # i hope that after building a couple regular LFS systems i'll have enough exp to substitute embedded variants for lots of stuff 00.08.07 # you pretty much only need busybox and whatever libsdl depends on 00.08.15 # like busybox or klibc 00.08.23 # er, but there's not really any connection there 00.08.32 # busybox replaces *everything* 00.08.44 # and klibc is not for that at all 00.08.52 # (uclibc is the usual embedded libc) 00.08.59 # and write a script that'll strip all the sources and dev tools from the tree to create the firmware image 00.09.10 # Torne: hardly *everything* 00.09.19 # JdGordon|: everything in a base system 00.09.24 # other than libc 00.09.42 # amee2k: why would you want to do all that, though? 00.09.57 # this is all already done for you 00.09.58 # "all that" ? 00.10.02 # being using LFS? 00.10.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.10.19 # you don't need to strip sources and dev tools from a tree, just build into a different tree to start with 00.10.27 # embedded systems do not need to be selfhosting 00.10.37 # and all this build work has already been done several times 00.10.49 # openembedded, buildroot, and the other system slike that already do it all for you 00.10.50 # hm. 00.11.03 # i still feel like at least doing it once myself 00.11.06 # learning how to make your own embedded distro from scratch properly will take weeks/months 00.11.10 # this is hardly #rockbox talk... 00.11.18 # unless you have a huge amount of free time. 00.11.28 # JdGordon|: the point is to host the sdl app, so kinda 00.11.32 # i'm a student, so yes :) 00.11.50 # i've been sticking to binary distros for by far the most part so far 00.12.05 # so i feel could learn a lot from it 00.12.12 # no, you won't really 00.12.19 # :p 00.12.23 # LFS teaches you nothing useful or interesting 00.12.28 # why not? its something i've never done before 00.12.41 # it's just following directions; you might as well use the automated shell script that does it for you 00.12.56 Join designate72 [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) 00.13.01 # not really 00.13.10 # yes, really 00.13.20 # and whatever you learn to do for yourself is virtually certain to turn out worse than what OE could've built for you in ten minutes of effort 00.13.26 # if a script does it for you, you don't care what it does. you just let it do its thing 00.13.43 # if you follow precise instructions givent o you by the internet then you don't care what they do, you just let them do their thing 00.13.46 # you just spend more time copying and pasting. 00.14.01 # thats kinda why gentoo left me with a vaguely disappointed feeling afterwards 00.14.26 # boosting on arm9e and arm11 seems to make our MDCT codecs a lot slower, while formats like MP3 don't seem to care much 00.14.32 # LFS does not grant *any* more understanding than gentoo 00.14.36 # i wonder if our MDCT's ugly memory access partterns are the cause of that 00.14.43 # its not about being efficient or anything... its about having had to actually think about every step 00.14.53 # * Torne gives up. 00.15.02 # hehe 00.15.23 # you're insisting on creating work for yourself to get a worse result, so whatever. 00.15.38 # don't worry, its proably me arguing a point that i don't understand myself yet 00.15.59 # but i won't know whether it has a point or not until i've tried 00.16.19 # no, see, there is a fantastic way of discovering that without having to try; it's called "Listening to other people who have done the exact same thing before" 00.16.36 # hehe yeah :) 00.16.49 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable235.127-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 00.16.52 # i'm anb embedded linux developer, amongst a million other things. i have built every kind of thing you can think of. i have done pretty much exactly waht you want to do here before, using several different automatic tools and manually. 00.17.29 Join Curulan [0] (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 00.17.49 # :) 00.18.28 # and if i didn't do it myself at least once, i'll always feel weeee about leting a tool do it for me 00.18.46 # or at least, thats the way i feel about it right now 00.19.19 # because i think thats the experience i got from when i tried gentoo last time 00.19.41 # srsly. you learn *nothing* by typing the stuff out yourself. 00.19.53 # if you want to learn how an embedded system goes together, *write one*. 00.20.08 # you won't learn anything particularly interesting or useful by using someone else's kit 00.20.32 # doing LFS is exactly the same as running a shell script, and is equally adaptable to change (i.e. not at all) 00.20.49 Quit Zarggg_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.20.54 # its not the typing, really... hmmm not sure how to say it... its because i have no idea what really happens inside the script 00.21.05 # you won't have any idea what really happens following instructions either 00.21.28 # well, more idea at least than just running the script 00.21.41 # no, why do you assume that? 00.21.44 Quit Kupop (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.22.07 # a large proportion of this process is working around specific bugs/issues in certain versions of various tools 00.22.07 # i already ran a script when i did gentoo last time. and felt it was lacking 00.22.17 # * krazykit thinks Torne and amee2k should take this to #rockbox-community 00.22.31 # no.... not -commuinty.... but not here either 00.22.34 # now i want to do it myself... worst case i'll have wasted a couple sleeples nights 00.22.50 # JdGordon|: that makes no sense 00.23.06 # they are tehe only 2 channels on freenode are they? 00.23.34 # no, but everything that doesn't fit here fits -community (and the vice versa) 00.24.01 # * JdGordon| disagrees 00.24.28 # o.O 00.24.44 # * amee2k feels like he just stumbled into a lecture about set theory 00.25.36 # well, technically it would kinda fit in #lfs if that exists :P 00.36.12 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.40.51 Quit jgarvey (Quit: Leaving) 00.41.09 # amee2k: I suggest you try other SDL based apps, to make sure SDL isn't the problem 00.43.35 Quit JdGord (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.54.56 Join Ken299 [0] (~63f40ce7@giant.haxx.se) 00.55.09 # ey 00.55.39 # hoello? 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He should have not been able to log an account as I understand the system. 03.11.11 # should we add some more admins to deal with this? 03.11.28 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@adsl-80-129-191.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.11.43 # search the ban triggers by IP, and "14 day experiment #2" should have caught him. 03.13.20 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049189094.adsl.alicedsl.de) 03.14.50 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 03.16.20 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 03.23.03 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng422.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 03.25.17 Quit Keripo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.28.32 # <[Saint]> where would I want to start looking if I was thinking about an auto "soft-hold"? 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I seem to have quite a profitable couch...there's two couches in my lounge, one that I sit on and one everyone else sits on basically, myself and the GF never sit on it as it's kinda weird shaped and pretty low to the ground and. I moved it to clean under it (the cats lose their toys under it all the time and whine about it) and found $39.10 in loose change. 07.58.36 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3A3EF.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.58.54 # <[Saint]> $27 of that is in $1 & $2coins, and ~$8 in $-.50 coins...so it's not even "bullshit shrapnel you'll never use". 07.59.00 # saratoga: thanks, never recognized that this data was available :) 07.59.55 Quit Judas_PhD (Client Quit) 08.00.20 # <[Saint]> apparently this couch is perfectly adapted to rob the coins from the pockets of those that sit there ;) I don't feel so bad about spending too much on DAPs lately now ;p 08.01.45 # Can anything at all be done about the ringing noise I get when recording at low frequencies, or is this a hardware issue? 08.02.05 Quit Barahir_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08.03.59 # Buschel: looking at it, i think some of the difference is due to the mdctlib, not sure why vorbis is so much worse then wma though, both use the same lib 08.04.42 Quit maraz (Remote host closed the connection) 08.05.27 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 08.05.56 # saratoga: a52 is also using mdctlib, but of smaller size, right? 08.06.39 # it uses the fft part only i think 08.07.58 # just checked, you're right 08.08.31 # tremor is pretty memory heavy over all 08.09.17 # but it does all the pre-/post-rotation stuff in an own implementation. for n=256 and n=512 08.09.19 # good catch with liba52 08.09.23 # it barely slows down at all 08.09.52 # so either the problem isn't the mdct, is specific to the mdct fiddling and not the fft, or else its only very large blocks that are slow 08.09.52 # wma uses larger transform lenghts, is this valid for the others as well? 08.10.02 # cook uses smaller ones 08.10.17 # WMA can use any size (and normal sizes typically use them) 08.10.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.10.31 # cook also slows down quite a lot 08.11.04 # what are the typical transform lengths for our codecs/testfiles? do you know this by hard? ;) 08.11.06 # IIRC cook and liba52 use the same size transform 08.11.16 # of course :) 08.11.20 # which do you want to know 08.11.41 # wma, aac, vorbis, cook :) 08.12.13 # cook is always 512 (IIRC) 08.12.29 # vorbis is usually 2048/256 but files can use other sizes if they want 08.12.36 # aac is always 2048/256 08.12.41 # vorbis is 256/2048 for anything not super low birate usually (although others are allowed the encoders don't use them) 08.13.02 # * n1s slow 08.13.20 # wma is 128/256/512/1024/2048, with 2048 taking up something like half the blocks on average and the rest of the sizes being mixed in fairly evenly 08.14.13 # no i was wrong, cook is 1024 only, not 512 08.14.55 # we probably need a test_mdct plugin 08.15.22 # so, the size might impact the slow down. cook not slowing as much as the others. but this is not for sure as vorbis is not fitting into this assumption... 08.15.40 # atrac is 512, exactly the same as liba52, might be neat to compare it 08.17.21 # other parts of vorbis will suffer from slow memory, such as the residue decoding 08.17.22 # the liba52 mdct pre/post rotation stuff is definitely going to be faster on targets with slow memory, since its trig table is sorted for only the sizes it needs 08.17.40 # good point 08.17.43 # in comparison the mdctlib version strides all over the place 08.18.15 # we probably need to revert some of stripwax's clever math that cuts down the codeclib mdct trig tables so they fit into IRAM for targets that don't have IRAM 08.18.45 # make it a compile time option, the original version of the lib used math just like liba52, i'm sure thats a lot faster on arm9 and probably even more on arm11 08.19.12 # it would be preferable if he does it though, since he actually understands it 08.22.44 # gotta go to work now, see you 08.22.47 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]) 08.23.50 # i should sleep 08.23.55 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 08.30.36 # * [Saint] wonders what's going on with http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26655.msg175437.html#msg175437 08.31.02 # <[Saint]> that's some strage behaviour to carry through to the OF, it gives the impression it was fine pre-install. 08.33.21 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-142-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 08.40.29 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.45.20 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 08.45.47 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote host closed the connection) 08.46.07 Join JdGordon1 [0] (~jonno@111-220-200-189.wbroadband.net.au) 08.46.13 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.47.18 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 08.52.42 Join [Saint] [0] (cbb802e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.184.2.233) 08.57.27 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 09.03.15 Quit JdGordon1 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09.04.14 Nick Curulan is now known as Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 09.05.06 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09.05.10 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@dslb-088-069-142-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.07.26 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-75-70-179-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 09.07.28 Quit mystica555_ (Excess Flood) 09.07.58 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-75-70-179-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 09.23.48 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.24.51 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@dhcp-129-228.residence.ens-lyon.fr) 09.24.51 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 09.24.51 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.24.57 Quit timccc (Quit: Leaving.) 09.25.23 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 09.32.55 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 09.36.55 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 09.43.09 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-lan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 09.45.00 Quit dinker (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.48.54 Join dickhead [0] (~dongs@ip72-210-66-46.mc.at.cox.net) 09.51.00 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.54.59 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 10.05.34 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10.10.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.23.57 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 10.29.30 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.31.40 Join b0hoon [0] (~quassel@62.87.184.82) 10.34.08 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:7d0:0:f000::135d) 10.48.52 Part LinusN 11.00.59 Quit linuxstb (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11.02.53 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f4063.pool.mediaWays.net) 11.03.30 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 11.05.56 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 11.08.07 Join [Saint] [0] (cbb802e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.184.2.233) 11.13.43 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.13.44 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 11.14.41 Join [Saint] [0] (cbb802e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.184.2.233) 11.18.40 # 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The one currently available is from September 2009 and there were additions and changes since then. I even think that this has been asked before but nothing happened and I was reminded due to a recent post in the forums 11.24.48 # the rockbox-fonts-3.7.1.zip ? 11.26.46 # the one linked from the extra page - it's http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip 11.27.22 # maybe it's enough to link the 3.7 one. I didn't even know it existed 11.27.25 # aha. it's a symlink to release 3.4. fixing. 11.27.59 # thanks :) 11.29.33 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 11.37.00 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 11.56.05 # who deleted the most recent spam on the forums from uggboots9? 11.57.31 # A, It got through scorche's new humanity check. 11.58.57 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 11.59.49 # B, I'm curious who and how it was deleted, as it was deleted in such a fashion it doesn't show up in "Removed Posts", which means I could't have easily banned uggboots9 if even a single post had been deleted after his, for his name would no longer be visible. 12.10.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.30.52 Join InsDel [0] (~haqr.net@unaffiliated/insdel) 12.31.50 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12.47.37 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4A854.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.55.14 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12.56.16 Quit InsDel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.58.07 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF075A.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.27.18 Join cozmic [0] (cozmic@89-160-133-29.du.xdsl.is) 13.30.06 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13.34.45 Quit efyx (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13.36.24 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 13.37.10 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 13.37.38 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host200-231-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.40.06 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.43.20 # AlexP, soap: goboots48 13.43.50 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.44.21 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-84-137.98-62.inwind.it) 13.45.49 # * pixelma too slow 13.48.58 # speaking of which: should the spam posts be deleted immediately (as I would be allowed to) or would this make banning harder? 13.50.03 # I use the "delete" button, which (at least for me) sends them to Removed Posts 13.50.45 # that's what I meant 13.53.17 # Kugel: for the logs - has the recent change to the android SDK broken our configure script? 13.54.01 # I don't seem to be able to build for android now since our Makefile specifies arm-linux-androideabi-gcc - but it seems the SDK now just calls it "gcc" 13.54.23 # doesn't make banning any harder pixelma 13.54.31 # so delete em straight away 13.54.51 # ok, thanks. Will do next time 13.55.06 # jusdt don't then delete the post from "Removed posts" afterwards 13.55.12 # as this does make it tougher to track them down 13.55.46 # alright, I never did anyway but will keep it in mind :) 13.56.11 # I mean deleting something from "Removed posts" 13.56.38 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 14.10.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.15.06 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.15.16 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 14.26.35 Quit mortalscan (Quit: Leaving) 14.32.53 # jhMikeS: ping 14.36.07 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 14.41.29 Join mortalscan [0] (~mortalsca@109.169.55.155) 14.43.33 # morning 15.00.38 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 15.08.20 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@93.21.177.169) 15.08.20 Quit GeekShadow (Changing host) 15.08.20 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 15.08.42 Quit krazykit (Quit: bbl) 15.12.08 Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection) 15.29.19 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@infedyn124.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de) 15.29.22 Quit TheSeven (Changing host) 15.29.23 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 15.33.55 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 15.34.47 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 15.35.16 Part LinusN 15.36.42 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.41.46 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 15.44.38 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@2.211.236.34) 15.44.40 Quit kugel (Changing host) 15.44.40 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 15.44.49 # GodEater: 15.45.32 # my copy of the r5 ndk calls it arm-elf-androideabi-gcc 15.49.37 Join japc [0] (~japc@194.65.5.235) 15.50.02 Quit japc (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.54.35 Quit CaptainKewl (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.55.13 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15.55.15 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@g231106188.adsl.alicedsl.de) 15.57.30 Quit kugel_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.57.53 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.10.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.12.26 # New commit by 03wodz (r28782): HD300 - do not handle scrollstrip events when hold is on 16.12.28 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 16.14.12 # r28782 build result: All green 16.14.14 # New commit by 03kugel (r28783): Base voice thread stack size on DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE, it's otherwise likely to overflow on app targets. 16.14.20 # New commit by 03kugel (r28784): Android: Replace the java based tick timer implemented with a not as bloated and more accurate linux hrtimer based one. Further reduces idle cpu usage ... 16.15.52 # r28783 build result: All green 16.17.34 # r28784 build result: All green 16.17.44 # I found strange bug - if the playlist ends and dap goes back to main menu while hold is on button handling is not correct after turning off hold. 16.17.50 Join melody [0] (~46f50d20@giant.haxx.se) 16.18.24 # I looks similar to the the bug on ipods not servicing scrollwheel after hold sometimes. But I thought this bug was fixed. 16.18.32 # *It 16.18.48 # the ipod bug is not fixed 16.18.59 # it seemed like it was but i guess not 16.19.20 # the fix we put in for that was ipod-driver-specific, though, nothing to do with rockbox's handling of hold/scrollwheel in general 16.19.39 # kugel: could your voice stack change influence other targets, and if then how? 16.19.58 # pixelma: the effective size is the same 16.20.43 Quit melody (Client Quit) 16.20.48 # Torne: do you remember commit/FS which deal with this? 16.20.58 # yes, because it's still open and on my watchlist 16.21.00 # one sec 16.21.01 Join melody [0] (~46f50d20@giant.haxx.se) 16.21.01 # Torne: I think wodz refers to r28584 16.21.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5230 16.21.12 Quit melody (Client Quit) 16.21.36 # hm maybe not :) 16.21.40 Join blindbluesmama [0] (~46f50d20@giant.haxx.se) 16.21.43 # oh, that's something different.. 16.21.44 # Ok that's better. Hi everyone. 16.22.31 # Torne: I observe it on HD300 but since scrollstrip driver is heavily inspired by mini1G code it is likely that the origin of the bug is the same 16.22.56 # well, maybe 16.23.04 # ChanServ: I just purchased an mp3 player and it came with rockbox pre-installed. This is great. But I'm having trouble making play lists. I would like to make a play list that spans several folders and songs. 16.23.05 # there's two possible places the problem could be, though 16.23.19 # either in the driver, or in the action code 16.23.25 # I have tried to read the manual on this and it didn't make a lot of sense. 16.23.33 # the actoin code has some hairy stuff that tries to exclude button releases from the previous context after switching context 16.23.41 # and i'm not convinced it's actually right in all cases 16.24.07 # Here's what happens, I go to insert a folder or track and I insert it and then when I try to insert the next one it overwrites what I already did. 16.24.15 # you could probably add some fairly easy debugging to identify whether it's that the button event doesn't get generated, or the button event being swallowed without generating an action 16.24.24 # blindbluesmama: you can insert dirs in the playlist by opening the context menu in the file browser with the dir selected and choosing playlist->insert 16.24.53 # Ok, stupid question, is that where you are on a file and then press select and it says play list? 16.24.56 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 16.25.15 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 16.25.15 # Torne: the common factor in mini1G code and HD300 code is that button_queue is filled from ISR. 16.25.34 # blindbluesmama: yes, but if you want to insert a dir, you should select the dir, not a file 16.25.46 # wodz: the problem with the ipod scrollwheel is not anything to do with button queueing.. 16.25.47 # it is usually a long press 16.25.58 # it's actually the physical hardware stopping generating the event 16.26.05 # at least, the original problem 16.26.09 # ..in theory 16.26.17 # people could be wrong, since the fix doesn't actually fix it 16.26.41 # i didn't experience the problem for a long time after the fix for FS#5230 went in 16.26.47 # but now I do again, and the symptoms are identical 16.27.07 # ..hang on, wait 16.27.12 # it's not the *scrollwheel* that stops working on ipods 16.27.14 # it's the buttons 16.27.27 # Pl.ut`I've been doing that and whatever I insert gets overwritten. 16.27.36 # the ipod issue is that after you release hold, the actual buttons don't work, *until* you scroll the wheel 16.27.36 # What am I doing wrong? 16.27.41 # i.e. you can change volume but not pause 16.27.51 # Torne: but they are handled by the same chip AFAIK 16.28.34 # blindbluesmama: if you just press the select button on a track, it will throw away the current playlist and make a new one consisting of the tracks from that directory 16.28.35 # I mean the whole idea of a play list is that you can insert whatever you want from whatever folder, and also I'm having trouble saving. Is there anyone who can walk me through it stiep by step? I have a sansa e200p 16.28.55 # you need to hold down the select button on a folder/file to bring up the context menu, then select the actual option labelled "insert" 16.29.03 # just selecting a file doesn't insert it, ever 16.29.09 # it plays it, replacing hte current playlist. 16.29.35 # Ok, I see, so how do I actually tell it that I want to append stuff to the current play list not throw away what I had before, torn? 16.29.52 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 16.29.55 # I *just told you* 16.30.16 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f4063.pool.mediaWays.net) 16.30.28 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 16.30.43 # I go to file or folder and press select for a long time until it says play list. I press select again and it says insert or if it's on a directory I also have the option of doing insert shuffle. Is there an important step I've missed or not done? 16.31.16 # That will insert it so that it's *next* in the playlist 16.31.25 # it won't delete the other things inthe playlist, but it won't put it at the end 16.31.34 # if you want to insert it at the end, pick insert last 16.31.59 # Hmm, sounds like we're doing the same thing. Please bare with me. I'm blind and sometimes a little slow to read the text stuff. 16.32.18 # Torne: not all insert/queue options are always available 16.32.22 # all the insert options insert the selected thing into the existing playlist. none of them replace the playlist. 16.32.44 # Confused, I haven't yet run up on that option. Maybe just not holding the select long enough? Let me scroll back a little more. 16.32.57 # so i suspect it's just not inserting it where you expect. it doesn't insert it at the end unless you explicitly choose "insert last" 16.33.11 Join Primula [0] (~fatherf_c@111.68.30.154) 16.33.14 # hello 16.33.26 # I'm trying to install rockbox to my D2 16.33.30 # there's only one context menu; if you get a menu then you're holding it for long enough. 16.33.42 # but i can't install tcc driver 16.33.47 # When I pick view current play list to see what I've done, it only plays the last folder or directory I inserted. 16.34.04 # it said the system cannot find files specified 16.34.13 # blindbluesmama: i'm afraid that's not possible, you must be mistaken 16.34.14 # anyone can help? >.< 16.34.27 # blindbluesmama: the "insert" options never remove anything from the playlist. 16.35.01 # Does it make a difference whether I have speech installed or not? 16.35.10 # no. 16.35.38 # ack`: Nope not mistaken. 16.36.20 # Well, at least I don't *think* I'm mistaken as I've tried this several times and every time with the same result. Only the last thing I inserted stays in the play list. 16.36.36 # no, really, you must be mistaken, either about what the playlist contains, or about what you did. I know how the code works. 16.36.59 # maybe this is 'hacked' rockbox version installed? 16.37.56 # Maybe there's a key press that you're leaving out or that I didn't see you type? And I'm not mistaken about what the play list contains. I press view current play list, and no matter how much stuff I inserted before it only plays the last folder or file I inserted. 16.38.33 Join hebz0rl [0] (~hebz0rl@dslb-088-065-062-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.38.34 # No got it from accessibleelectronics.org 16.38.38 # there is nothing that you can leave out; if you selected a menu option labelled "Insert" then that inserts into the existing playlist. It never deletes anything. 16.39.25 # After I pick insert or insert shuffled do I press select or that button above select? 16.39.41 # you don't need to press anything 16.39.47 # once you pick insert that's it, it's done. 16.39.59 # it exits the context menu automatically and goes back to the file browser 16.40.11 # If I'm in a folder I get insert and insert shuffled. If I'm just selecting a individual file I get only insert. 16.40.17 # if you press select again after that then it's as if you never went into the menu.. 16.40.27 # it will just delete the playlist and replace it with what you just selected 16.41.02 # no one can help? :9 16.41.02 # You should get more optoins than that unless the playlist is empty 16.41.04 # :( 16.41.07 # Hm. When I pick insert do I press select or the top button above select? When I press select the file starts to play. 16.41.22 # blindbluesmama: you don't press anything 16.41.27 # as soon as you pick insert, it's done. 16.41.39 # Primula: sorry, not many people know about the D2 port 16.42.05 # it just goes back to the file browser and you can pick more files, or not, as you choose. 16.42.14 # Primula: be patient :) 16.42.18 # Then if I don't need to do anything (starting to see the problem... how do I get back to the files? 16.42.29 # it goe sback to the file list automatically 16.42.35 # Primula: sorry, not many people know about the D2 port <<< well, the problem is within tcc 16.42.47 # you pick insert, it inserts the files (which will take a moment if there's lots of files) and then it goes back to the file list. 16.42.54 # i can;t install the driver 16.42.58 # No just stays on insert. 16.43.09 # no it doesn't. 16.43.13 # "picking insert" means chosing it like any other menu option which means pressing select or "right" in most cases 16.43.27 # I have to press something... to get back to files. 16.43.32 # No you don't. 16.43.48 # pixelma : well at least i know someone read and actually reply, not just ignored me :) 16.43.49 # I can't press select, or as you said it will go and play it and then I have to start all over. 16.43.55 Quit cjcopi (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.43.57 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@maf.wirelesstcp.net) 16.44.34 # It just stays on insert. Maybe left arrow? 16.45.10 # exact sequence of button presses: scroll to the file you want to add, hold down select until the menu comes up, scroll to insert, press select to choose the insert option, then that's it. The file gets inserted (which will not cause it to play) and it goes back to the file list on its own. 16.45.56 # Hm. So I pick insert and then right instead of select, so I can add more files? 16.46.38 # no, right and select both do the same thing in menus 16.46.42 # it makes no difference 16.46.47 # That's the problem. If I choose insert and then press selecdt, it plays the files, assuming that select is that middle button that looks like a big circle. 16.47.04 # it will start playing for the *first* thing you select, because that creates a new playlist 16.47.15 # but for anything you insert later, it should just keep playing what it's playing already 16.47.27 # *frustrated. 16.48.06 # not right again, once you have started a playlist you need to repeat the sequence on the next file starting with going up/down in the file browser and then the long hold for the context menu 16.48.35 # going up/down in the filebrowser to get to your next song, I mean 16.48.41 # So we're going around in circles, beginning to feel like I'm part of that who's on first thing. So assumming that I have done all previous steps correctly then I can go and add more files. But there's the trouble. when I do that it erases whatever I had in there to begin with. 16.50.00 # Dos anyone here have skype or msn or something????????? 16.50.42 # ack`: And are there any people here who have to use speech as I do? 16.51.33 # i have just tested this sequence of events on my player, using speech, and it works as I have described, so you must be misunderstanding 16.51.45 Part b0hoon ("Back to work.") 16.52.18 # Pix, as I explained when I start the process over to add other files the file I had in there previously gets erased and replaced with the one I just added. 16.52.42 # 'I am really starting to feel like the kid who rode the short bus here. 16.54.11 # Yes, I concurr that I have misunderstood something but to this point can't figure out what it is since I'm doing what you said. Chose file or folder, long press on center button, bring up playlist, press select again bring up insert and then press select again. 16.54.17 # Right so far? 16.54.25 Join Strife89TX [0] (~cstrife89@207.144.201.128) 16.54.37 # yes 16.54.47 # the first time you do that, it should start playing the file you selected 16.54.53 # it does that, yes? 16.55.11 # Yes. 16.55.14 # the second time, it shouldn't change what's playing, the current track should keep playing. 16.55.20 # does it change what's playing when you do it? 16.55.27 # if so, *when* does it change? 16.55.39 # * Strife89TX is using r28755 and has been having problems with Rockbox freezing while queuing a track. 16.56.03 # Target is an iPod Video (64MB of RAM, 60GB HDD) 16.56.13 # Yes, but then when I go to view current play list, because I don't want to be inserting a lot of stuff only to find it isn't working... it only shows up with the last song played or folder if it was a whole folder. 16.56.53 # no, forget about viewing the playlist for a moment 16.57.07 # when does the currently playing track change, in that process? 16.57.09 # Basically, Rockbox has occasionally locked up while (or shortly after) queuing up a track. 16.57.14 # i.e. what you hear out of the headphones 16.57.45 # The tracks it has crashed on so far are known-good files; i.e., they play if loaded as the first track. 16.58.14 Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) 16.58.21 # Typically, Rockbox will suddenly produce a loud, static hiss, or become completely silent. 16.58.25 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.58.38 # Attempting to stop playback will cause it to freeze entirely. 16.58.40 # I think it doesn't but sometimes I have to press stop so I can hear what rock box is saying. Oh yes. I have to press the bottom button to It doesn't change I think, but I have to press that bottom left button to get back to files. I haven't figured out how to get back and still hear speech. 16.58.50 # Perhaps that's the problem? 16.58.52 # Upon rebooting, the playlist control file will be invalid. 16.59.29 # ok, wait. 16.59.44 # are you stopping playback entirely after selecting the first set of files, before you choose the second one? 16.59.51 # not just pausing it? 17.00.21 # if you want to hear voice you can't pause music 17.00.21 # So I Hang on a sec. 17.00.34 # that will pause voice too 17.01.45 Part Zagor 17.01.59 # Wait a minute .... Rockbox paused to spin up the hard drive while I was entering the LCD settings menu. I *just* cleared my settings and rebooted and have not started playback. 17.02.35 # Aren't these menus *part* of the firmware file, and therefore loaded into RAM? 17.02.58 # it probably loaded settings file 17.03.12 # I thought it loaded it on boot. 17.03.54 # it "looks" for voice clips unless you turned the option off 17.04.02 # at least it should 17.04.19 # I did turn voice menus off. 17.05.43 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17.05.44 # after clearing your settings? 17.05.55 # I rebooted and it did a fair bit of disk activity (~10 seconds). The only settings I have changed from default are: voice menus off, Brightness set to top and bottom Quickscreen items. 17.05.59 # blindbluesmama: okay, there is a setting you can turn on which might make it easier to work out what's going on here 17.06.44 # r28755 by the way. 17.07.17 # blindbluesmama: go to settings, then general settings, then playlist, then warn when erasing dynamic playlist, and set it to yes 17.07.37 # blindbluesmama: that will make it warn you and ask for confirmation before you do any action which will result in the current playlist being cleared 17.07.38 # well entering settings->general settings->display->lcd settings doesn't spinn up disk for me 17.08.00 # blindbluesmama: then try doing it again and see if that warning comes up 17.08.38 # I really don't have a clue, then, unless something in .rockbox is corrupted. 17.09.02 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 17.09.40 # But I don't have a computer nearby to scan it and I'd prefer to work with music. 17.09.59 # maybe some glyph cache thing? 17.10.32 # Maybe ... manually delete the file perhaps? 17.11.16 # .glyphcache is currently 558 bytes. 17.11.31 # no, I meant if your theme uses a large font etc. Rockbox can't hold all glyphs in RAM and might need to reload some from disk 17.12.09 # If this is true with the *default font*, then I'll accept that./ 17.12.22 # But it doesn't explain all the crashing. 17.13.28 # This is true with the default font on some devices, yes 17.14.10 # The device in question is an iPod Video. 17.14.11 # cabbiev2 on 320x240 devices uses a font bigger than the font buffer 17.14.13 # Then yes. 17.14.38 # The next point size up *or* down is small enough to fit in the buffer, iirc, but the one used by default is not. 17.15.03 # Wait, a *bigger version* of the *same font* fits in the buffer? 17.15.18 # What is this mojo? 17.15.19 # a larger point size version, yes 17.15.30 # the characters included/excluded in each size are not the same 17.15.46 # it purely depends on which characters were included in the original X bdf fonts 17.15.47 # Ah, no wonder. 17.15.55 # Torne: you mentioned there is simple check if the problem is on driver level or on action handling layer level (with buttons). Could you elabore this? 17.15.57 # the version cabbie uses has loads and loads of non-ascii glyphs 17.16.14 # wodz: have the actual button driver do something visible when it receives a button event 17.16.16 # on the Video... 17.16.16 # I can live with missing chars. 17.16.27 # er, yeah. on devices with a 320x240 screen 17.16.42 # other screen sizes use a version of the font which is both smaller in space-on-screen and space-in-ram :) 17.17.02 # Just curious, how big is the cache? 17.17.04 # and sometimes not even nearly as many characters 17.17.13 # On 320x240 targets 17.17.25 # it's based on ramsize, not screen size, alas 17.17.28 # Ah. 17.17.38 # RAM on this iPod is 64 MB 17.17.40 # well, partly on both 17.17.53 Join jbotalan [0] (~44bcc55d@giant.haxx.se) 17.17.59 # Devices with more than 2MB of ram *and* more than 64 pixel height LCD use 60000 bytes for the cache 17.18.10 # less than 2mb of ram is 10000 bytes 17.18.16 # less than 64 pixel height is 4000 bytes 17.18.26 # Ah, that's all? 17.18.30 # so yes, a large number of our default fonts are bigger than 60000 bytes 17.18.43 # yes, that's all. 17.18.47 # that's just for the UI font 17.18.55 # fonts used by the skin are loaded into the skin buffer and work differently 17.18.55 # I'm guessing increasing the cache size would be tricky? 17.19.03 # no, entirely trivial :) 17.19.08 # it's #define'd in font.c 17.19.15 # So I had a momentary idea, which involves needing a couple of GPIO pins on my player. Does anyone know offhand if any beyond the ones in the microsd slot are open? can the usb pins be used as gpio pins? 17.19.18 # I.e., for targets with lots more than 2MB of RAM 17.19.21 # i have previously pondered making a third tier for devices with at least 16/32mb of ram 17.19.34 # i also invented a scheme to allocate the memory dynamically at boot 17.19.38 # based onthe font selected at boot time 17.19.50 # but we solved the ipod video boot time problem by fixing the font cache loading to not be so slow instead 17.19.55 # so, i never made those changes 17.19.55 # Ah. 17.20.04 # this used to cost ipod video ~6 seconds at boot 17.20.04 # ooh i have a sansa. probably should have mentioned that 17.20.17 # Speaking of problems, I still have no idea what caused the crashes. .... 17.20.17 # because loading into the font cache on that device was hundreds of times slower than loading direct to th ebuffer :) 17.21.19 # Strife89TX: allocating it dynamically seems like a reasonable option 17.21.39 # changing UI font is rare 17.21.42 # Sometimes the problem will occur if I change an item's position on the playlist. 17.21.50 # anyway, i think your crash may be unrelated ;) 17.22.25 # Yeah, I figured as much. 17.23.33 # * Strife89TX spent too long constructing that first playlist, and *fwssssssssssssssssh* - it's gone 17.30.27 # * Strife89TX now can't remember (in an attempt to diagnose the issue) what tracks were being loaded at the crash point. :/ 17.34.38 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 17.34.52 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17.36.39 # Although one of the triggers was simply moving a track further up the queue. 17.39.30 Join cjcopi [0] (~craig@24-176-50-33.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) 17.42.02 Quit Bawitdaba (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.42.10 Join Bawitdaba [0] (~Sphinx@cpe-74-70-40-135.nycap.res.rr.com) 17.46.13 Quit cjcopi (Quit: ... going, going, gone) 17.49.48 # Ok, I hope y'all didn't boot me out. 17.51.15 # I think I've figured out how to make a play list. I saved it and it saves in the root directory as dynamic.m3u8 and you can put stuff after that if you want. But how do I then bring up that file as a play list. 17.51.41 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 17.51.59 # Right now it just says open with, rename, etc. Doesn't say anything about playing or indicate that it can be played. 17.55.15 Quit blindbluesmama (Quit: CGI:IRC) 17.55.25 Join blindbluesmama [0] (~46f50d20@giant.haxx.se) 17.55.30 # Is anyone still around? 17.56.28 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 17.57.26 # yes. I never use playlists explicitly, so I probably can't help you. 17.58.39 # I guess you can just select a playlist with the file browser and press the select button. 17.59.12 Join Horscht [0] (~Horschti@xbmc/user/horscht) 17.59.50 # Normally that is how playlists are loaded. 18.00.08 # So long as they have the .m3u extension it should work. 18.00.33 # Er, .m3u8 18.01.12 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 18.03.48 # blindbluesmama: You should be able to navigate to the dynamic.m3u8 file and 'play' it by using a short select 18.05.17 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.05.28 Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 18.10.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.12.48 Join japc [0] (~japc@194.65.5.235) 18.14.36 Quit japc (Client Quit) 18.28.57 Quit t0rc (Remote host closed the connection) 18.29.09 Quit komputes (Quit: I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.) 18.40.20 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 18.41.18 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-85-85.unitymediagroup.de) 18.44.01 # damn 18.44.09 # what's up with the android emulator 18.44.13 # crash on playing music 18.48.38 Quit parafin (Remote host closed the connection) 18.48.51 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 18.54.07 # oh, only rockbox crashes it 19.01.58 Quit Strife89TX (Quit: Heading home.) 19.11.13 Join krazykit [0] (~krazykit@99-126-205-52.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 19.30.21 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f5ed7.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.33.40 Quit GodEater (Read error: Operation timed out) 19.36.05 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 19.40.47 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.41.14 # New commit by 03kugel (r28785): Android: Rework notification and change icon sizes to better meet the systems' standard. ... 19.43.00 # r28785 build result: 377 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed) 19.44.19 # New commit by 03kugel (r28786): Oops, unintended change slipped in. 19.44.30 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19.46.03 # r28786 build result: All green 19.46.13 # I have refined my SVox Pico support in tools/voice.pl and tools/configure slightly. So far, I simply diverted the segmentation fault error messages that the pico2wave utility generates to /dev/null. There's nothing to fear from these messages, as the output of the synthesizer is still generated and encoded correctly. I am using it happily on my player. Now I just need to ask what is necessary to upload my patch, and what parameters I should use to create the 19.53.29 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 19.54.44 Quit blindbluesmama (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 20.00.24 # the_Kyle: you were cut off at "to create the" 20.01.36 # I was asking for the parameters need to create the patch to make it easiest to apply. 20.02.29 # Sorry, I didn't know the server had a character limit. My client isn't telling me when I go over, and it sounded like it posted the whole message. 20.02.42 # no problem 20.03.30 # to answer the general part of your question: you need to register at our patch and bug tracker and we have a real name policy for our code base. So if you want your patch included then you would need to state your real name 20.04.54 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.05.20 # I'm not aware of any parameters to create the patch, I prefer patches created from trunk, not some subfolders and using svn. But patches created with git should also work if you prefer that 20.06.18 # Are there any special options required for the diff? 20.06.56 # no. At least I don't work with any :) 20.08.19 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 20.08.34 # This patch applies to two files. If I'm patching multiple files, should I submit two patches, or can I concatinate them into a single patch file? 20.09.25 # if both are needed to solve one thing then one patch file will do 20.09.34 # One patch per feature, regardless of how many files are touched 20.10.00 # And the output of "svn diff" is fine 20.10.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.11.39 # I applied a patch to my current copy of trunk. Should I checkout another copy for my patch,? 20.12.35 # You can add filenames to the svn diff command to tell it which files you want 20.12.35 # Sorry. I mean I downloaded and applied a patch to my copy before I changed the files for my voice patch. 20.12.44 Join InsDel [0] (~haqr.net@unaffiliated/insdel) 20.12.47 # or subdirectories 20.13.12 # Sounds good. You should have my patch soon. 20.14.19 # If the USB patch didn't touch tools/configure, and I don't believe it did, I can get this uploaded as soon as I register in the bug tracker. 20.14.56 # Most patches don't touch anything under tools/ 20.15.35 # Good. I'll send it up shortly. 20.17.26 Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20.18.14 Join ReimuHakurei [0] (~reimu@74.112.212.15) 20.19.12 Quit ReimuHakurei_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.21.44 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.22.56 # New commit by 03kugel (r28787): Restore correct launcher.png for mdpi that got accidentally overwritten. 20.24.42 # r28787 build result: All green 20.26.44 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA3681.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.28.22 Quit casainho (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101027124101]) 20.30.58 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@cl-711.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net) 20.30.59 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 20.30.59 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.43.48 # What is the best category for my voice patch? I don't see voice specifically, but it looks like it could fit either in language, user interface or possibly even configuration. 20.44.49 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 20.46.40 Quit mortalscan (Remote host closed the connection) 20.46.59 Join mortalscan [0] (~mortalsca@109.169.55.155) 20.47.20 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 20.51.38 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20.53.19 Quit jbotalan (Quit: CGI:IRC) 20.53.53 Join dantje_ [0] (~dvg@HSI-KBW-091-089-103-221.hsi2.kabelbw.de) 20.55.43 # My guess so far is language. The patch applies to the voice system, which relies heavily on language, so language is probably correct. 20.55.52 Quit krazykit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.56.46 Join krazykit [0] (~krazykit@99-126-205-52.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 20.56.52 # I guess either language or user interface. It would fit both and I wouldn't care which one of the two you pick 20.58.47 # I'm also getting a dropdown box to select the reported version. I see a selection for "daily build which" or something like that, but I can't find svn except under rbutil. I also can't find anything to select the build date, unless I should put it in the details. 20.59.13 # For a patch, the version isn't too important 21.03.20 Join eWill [0] (~chatzilla@adsl-76-235-56-214.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 21.03.55 Quit cozmic (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.04.35 Join krabador [0] (~myrha@host110-229-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.04.40 Join cozmic [0] (cozmic@89-160-133-29.du.xdsl.is) 21.05.25 # I've been using this USB patch (as3525v2-usb.diff, from FS#11664) for a few weeks, and have not yet seen Windows 7 force Full Speed USB Mode. How do you trigger it? 21.05.37 # Fuze v2 21.15.08 Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos) 21.20.38 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.23.29 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (~rmenes@c-68-36-232-73.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 21.23.29 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Changing host) 21.23.29 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (~rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 21.26.56 Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-066-089.nc.res.rr.com) 21.27.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11803 21.29.36 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 21.29.44 Quit Galois (Remote host closed the connection) 21.29.51 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet-math.org) 21.34.02 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.42.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF1788.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.42.25 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 21.44.41 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-75-70-179-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.44.50 # soap: can you noe see the moderation log? 21.46.25 Quit factor (Write error: Connection reset by peer) 21.46.38 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-220-23.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 21.46.42 # s/now.not 21.49.25 Join Horschti [0] (~Horschti@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.51.37 Quit pdrai (Remote host closed the connection) 21.52.10 # scorche: If you mean on the forums, I can't so I assume soap can't either 21.52.25 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.52.31 # Unless I am just missing it, where would it be? 21.52.51 # admin > maintenance > moderation log 21.54.10 # soap: i am not sure if this is the post you were referring to, but it looks like yapper "removed" it - not "deleted" 21.54.27 # scorche: no maintenance section even :) 21.54.30 # ah 21.57.29 # I found the file that was crashing the metadata parser on my beast. Turns out to be an rm file that midentify says contains video and audio. And the audio is Sipro so, it was never going to play anyway. Will log a bug anyhow. 21.57.30 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.09.19 Join casainho [0] (~chatzilla@bl20-139-144.dsl.telepac.pt) 22.09.30 Join krabador [0] (~myrha@host201-179-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.09.52 # logged FS#11804 22.10.29 # Thanks all for the pointer to the metadata log patch yesterday - wouldn't have figured it out without it. 22.10.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.11.42 Quit toffe82 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.13.49 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p5DE5A698.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.16.56 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.18.11 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-75-70-179-25.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 22.30.24 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590fcc90.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.35.08 Join saratoga [0] (9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.198.221) 22.37.52 # ej0rge: thanks, should be easy to fix 22.42.16 Quit komputes (Quit: I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.) 22.48.13 Quit moos (Remote host closed the connection) 22.53.39 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 22.54.47 Quit dantje_ (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22.55.21 # saratoga: welcome 22.55.49 # I don't expect (or even want) that file to ever play on my device. I'm not even sure why i have it. 22.56.21 # yeah it won't work since we don't support that audio format, but the rm parser still shouldn't break on it 22.57.24 # you mean it should accept the file and the codec should fail later on? 22.58.21 # we were talking about this the other day, but i think its expected that the database should parse the file normally, but during playback it should be rejected 22.58.38 # personally i would prefer to just have the metadata parser reject it 22.58.55 # why should we have something in the database that we cannot play? 22.59.17 # ask jdgordon 22.59.27 # that makes no sense for me 22.59.44 # I'd expect that all items in the database can be played 22.59.59 # so I agree with you 23.11.50 Quit jgarvey (Quit: Leaving) 23.17.40 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: free(me)) 23.19.09 # I guess maybe there's a question of whether the database update is going to re-parse those files every time, and whether that's a performance concern. 23.19.23 # i don't imagine that it would be much of a performance concern 23.31.15 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.32.03 Quit Battousai (Read error: Operation timed out) 23.32.47 Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@gentoo/developer/battousai) 23.34.44 # What is the status of fs#11541? I can't get it applied. 23.34.47 Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos) 23.35.11 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 23.35.27 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 23.37.17 # Everything fails. 23.41.59 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 23.46.06 Join krabador [0] (~myrha@host201-179-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 23.50.40 Quit user890104 () 23.53.19 # the_Kyle: that patch is 4 months old, the odds of it applying are near zero 23.58.01 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed)