--- Log for 26.02.111 Server: holmes.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 2 hours ago 00.04.17 Quit CapsAdmin (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.07.19 Join CapsAdmin [0] (CapsAdmin@ti0143a340-dhcp0163.bb.online.no) 00.12.15 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 00.15.29 Nick milk_ is now known as milk (~milk@94-193-93-226.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 00.17.33 # linuxstb: I'm giving FS #11966 a test run now 00.18.04 # thomasjfox: OK, thanks. 00.23.24 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.24.49 # kugel: OK, I think I understand what's going on and can clarify it in my patch. The leading "/" is only not stripped when an app build is being installed (which is not what the code implies, which is what confused me when I changed how the $app variable was calculated). 00.25.23 # thomasjfox: I'm just about to upload a new patch, which fixes the buildzip.pl bug in my patch. 00.26.54 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng272.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 00.29.53 # <[Saint]> "[09:29] AlexP: I really think with the change to a button style on touchscreen targets, the cabbiev2 icons should look a bit different 00.29.53 # <[Saint]> [09:30] playback control buttons, not playback state" 00.30.17 # linuxstb: ok. SDL app builds fine on Fedora 14, maemo5 build is also ok in scratchbox. Both builds survive "make reconf" :) Creation of the maemo .deb package is next 00.30.19 # * [Saint] agrees....I think it's a little premature. If the issue was that it wasn't obvious that they were buttons, this doesn't fix it. 00.30.24 # I've only swapped one set, all the others have always been buttons 00.30.46 # And the play/pause were always buttons, but the wrong way round 00.30.55 # <[Saint]> subjective. 00.31.03 # The first thing I said isn't 00.31.12 # Every other thing on there has always been a button 00.31.15 # <[Saint]> No, I qwas just typing that ;) 00.31.18 Part domonoky 00.31.30 # And they all have the same style 00.31.40 # So I don't see how this change has affected it 00.31.50 Quit kevku (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.32.06 # If you think the buttons should look more like buttons then you presumably already thought this 00.32.08 # <[Saint]> I don't think the issue of buttons or no is subjective, just swapping play/pause is weird to me. I guess we'll se if we get any "Ummmm....wtf!?!?!" posts in the forum as I expect there to be. 00.32.26 # Every other touch screen player ever does it this way 00.32.42 # Anyway, feel free to draw some buttons 00.32.55 # <[Saint]> How many times has someone said "Player X does it this way" and some dev pipes up with "But Rockbox isn't X" 00.33.12 # We don't do it opposite to the standard just to be different 00.33.30 # In the situations you are quoting there are multiple choices 00.33.35 # <[Saint]> That wasn't my point....but there's never been a desire to conform either. 00.33.44 # Are you actually serious? 00.33.44 # <[Saint]> It's lasted this way for a long time already with no complaint. 00.33.57 # We don't supply builds, and we say it isn't ready 00.34.04 # It isn't on market etc. 00.34.12 # I don't think there is a big base of users 00.34.21 # <[Saint]> Yeah..I think it's a shit idea personally, but people thinking a commit is a shit idea hasn't ever stopped changes in the past except on rare occasions. 00.34.21 # Anyway, you are in a majority of one, accept it 00.34.30 # [Saint]: I think that's because until recently, very few devs have tried it. My first comment on trying RaaA was that the play/pause icons were the wrong way round. 00.34.35 # <[Saint]> Hence my statement above. 00.34.56 # linuxstb: along with everyone else :) 00.35.09 # <[Saint]> There's no need to be a smartass. 00.35.27 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:7d0:0:f9af:feed:feed:feed:feed) 00.35.28 # And I counted 6-0 (committers) in favour of the change 00.35.53 # [Saint]: I really don't understand why you're so against it. It just seems perfectly logical to me for a play button to have the play icon on it, and a pause button to have the pause icon. 00.36.27 # [Saint]: Do you press pause to play your CD player (if they have separate buttons)? 00.36.41 # <[Saint]> Except when the "button" also functions as the play state. 00.36.56 # <[Saint]> has a play state been added? 00.37.03 # No 00.37.09 # Nor should it IMO 00.37.16 # <[Saint]> ...well, it should be, IMO. 00.37.24 # <[Saint]> heh...typical ;) 00.37.50 # linuxstb: .deb package created successfully. Your patch seems fine to me. Can't comment on the buildzip issue as I don't use it 00.37.50 # To be honest, I'm bored of this discussion. It is you vs the world, and it isn't going to change anything 00.38.15 # <[Saint]> Yeah, that attitude really pisses me off about some people here. 00.38.37 # [Saint]: I don't think anyone cares about play state. On touchscreens, the main role of the icons is to act as buttons. 00.38.38 # [Saint]: So what do you want? It is you vs a load of devs (who is who we always say counts) 00.38.51 # [Saint]: You want that you alone can stop what the others want? 00.39.24 # thomasjfox: Thanks for testing. 00.39.36 # <[Saint]> No, of course not...but I dislike the "I've made my mind up and I'm not even prepared to discuss it with any degree of seriousness". 00.39.44 # I, and everyone else 00.39.49 # And there is nothing to discuss 00.40.02 # We all think it is logical this way, you think it is logical the other way 00.40.12 # I don't see how there can be a discussion about that 00.40.53 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~mshathlon@5acba02c.bb.sky.com) 00.41.05 Quit mudd1 (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.41.54 # <[Saint]> Just make sure it's doccumented to fuck, it may not seem like it to some but for the people who just update now and then and never read the docs, or even those that do read the docs...I just don't want it to confuse anyone. I'm fine with the change, I don't oppose it as actively as you believe me to. I'd just like it if for instance the statusbar represented playstate (blatantly not a button) and do what you want with the "buttons". 00.43.25 # [Saint]: I don't see anyone except you going out of their way during the discussion btw., please calm down 00.43.43 # <[Saint]> I am calm. 00.44.02 # We haven't released, and we don't have a manual for any touch screen except the D2 00.44.10 # And the D2 is all in terms of grid mode 00.44.31 # then don't accuse anyone else of wrong discussion style for whatever reason 00.44.53 # New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29401): RaaA: Update changelog for maemo extras-devel release 00.44.55 # <[Saint]> "Major Changes"? It's worth a note somewhere I think...it's "the face of Rockbox" really, if it changes, people will want to know why, and it's be nice if there was warning. 00.45.19 # <[Saint]> Major Changes is a bit much...a sticky somewhere. 00.45.36 # MajorChanges: "Touch screen WPS button now behaves like every other touchscreen app on the planet" 00.46.13 # kugel: I'm going to have a look at your new status bar switch code now 00.46.48 # <[Saint]> Hmmm, apologies. Chrome doesn't want to display Major Changes correctly for me. 00.47.05 # I didn't actually add that :) 00.47.19 # AlexP: people can discuss if they see it as buttons btw. and sarcasm doesn't really help here I think 00.47.41 # <[Saint]> Oh, well....um :p 00.47.51 # pixelma: You click on them to perform an action, I fail to see what else they are 00.47.58 # But yes, sarcasm not needed 00.48.06 # is that really a major change? 00.48.10 # kugel: No 00.48.14 # <[Saint]> "...errr, I still think it would be nice if a "not so blunt" note were added, somewhere". 00.48.23 # kugel: I was being sarcastic :) 00.48.35 # <[Saint]> As I added, it's a bit much for a major change. 00.48.39 # AlexP: Didn't you say the M:Robe 500 cabbie already behaved the way you changed the others to? 00.48.46 # Which as pixelma presciently said, seems to have backfired 00.48.48 # r29401 build result: All green 00.48.49 # linuxstb: yes 00.48.59 # can anyone who is here do a couple of corrections in translate.rockbox.org page? :) 00.49.14 # mshathlonxp: you want rasher really I think 00.49.30 # I think it is in svn, but he knows it best 00.49.32 # AlexP: if you know cabbie from somewhere else it doesn't look like buttons and some may think those aren't "clickable" 00.49.38 # * rasher appears 00.50.11 # * mshathlonxp looks at rasher 00.50.11 # pixelma: I'm not sure how you expect to be able to control it then :) 00.50.24 # mshathlonxp: You need to tell him what the problem is first :) 00.50.35 # That would indeed be helpful 00.50.37 # 3x3 grid mode? ... 00.50.42 # pixelma: But as I said, I don't object to them being made more buttony 00.51.00 # problem is that I didn't mentioned correct latvian language name in that task, so it is like filename :) 00.51.03 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.51.09 # + flag is missing, I guess I have to create one 00.52.16 # No I got that, what should the name be? 00.52.51 # "like the filename" 00.53.27 Join skfunnyboy_ [0] (~skfunnybo@modemcable024.96-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.53.37 # pixelma: I think he was saying it is currently like the filename, but shouldn't be 00.53.44 # looking at the other names, it should be Latvieshu (Latvian) and "Latvieshu" like here - http://translate.google.lv/#en|lv|latvian%20language%0D%0A 00.55.59 # mshathlonxp: Is it correct now? 00.56.08 Quit matsl (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.56.28 # oh yes, thanks 01.00.38 # New commit by 03rasher (r29402): Add Latvian 01.01.50 # kugel: Is host_status_bar_height() missing on purpose? I'll just add a small function that returns 60 for testing 01.06.01 Quit {phoenix} (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.10.40 # kugel: i convert differently because i round to nearest rather than down. 01.11.14 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 01.16.30 # thomasjfox: missing? 01.16.59 # kugel: Well, I was just wondering how you compiled it on your side 01.17.01 # It's accidental if it is 01.18.09 # kugel: Same for host_statusbar_enable(). But don't worry, I wrote a small replacement dummy function. 01.19.28 # thomasjfox: I probably forgot to git add the new file 01.20.30 # kugel: The menus get properly shifted down if status bar = OS 01.20.41 # kugel: The WPS screen stays the same. Any modifications needed here? 01.21.25 # kugel: Ah. I remember I had to skip host_statusbar_height() pixels in lcd_update(), right? 01.23.43 Quit ender` (Quit: I will not employ devious schemes that involve the hero's party getting into my inner sanctum before the trap is sprung. -- Evil Overlord List #110) 01.27.14 # kugel: The host_statusbar_enable(enable) call feels wrong: That's the enable flag of the viewport, not of the host statusbar. 01.27.40 # kugel: Also it gets first called with enable=0 two times and later on with enable=1. That might be the display issue you were experiencing 01.37.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.40.22 Quit MethoS- (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.40.22 Quit Rondom_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.40.22 Quit literal (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.40.22 Join literal [0] (hinrik@w.nix.is) 01.40.22 Quit kkit|sh (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.40.22 # thomasjfox: its a quick and dirty patch 01.40.22 # or rather prove of concept 01.40.22 # kugel: You don't want to look at my code I just added ;) 01.40.22 # in my case _enable does indeed toggle the statusbar 01.40.22 # kugel: I was thinking: If I switch from fullscreen to windowed mode in SDL, I have reduce the window size by host_statusbar_height() 01.40.22 Quit logiclost (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.40.22 # kugel: I'll concentrate on code for a smooth fullscreen/windowed mode switch in SDL the next days 01.40.22 Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@rockbox/developer/lostlogic) 01.40.22 DBUG Enqueued KICK thomasjfox 01.40.22 # kugel: Once that is working, we can add the statusbar switching on top 01.40.22 DBUG Enqueued KICK kugel 01.40.22 # yes I think you need to do that 01.40.22 Quit bluefoxx_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.40.22 Join MethoS-- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 01.40.22 Join bluefoxx_ [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106485b3917092d.vs.shawcable.net) 01.40.22 Quit YPSY (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.40.22 # I also do this, in a more convenient way in the java 01.40.22 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@lvps178-77-79-47.dedicated.hosteurope.de) 01.40.22 Join YPSY [0] (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) 01.40.22 Quit niekie (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 01.40.22 Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie) 01.40.22 Join kkit`sh [0] (~kkit@li135-248.members.linode.com) 01.51.44 # thomasjfox: why do think the _enable call is wrong 01.51.44 # kugel: I was just wondering why I see two calls with enable=0 if I enable the host statusbar 01.51.44 # kugel: I mean, we pass the enable flag of the viewport to it, regardless if the user select host statusbar or not 01.51.45 # thomasjfox: I think this means whether to show the statusbar or not (jdgordon knows the details) 01.51.45 # 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At the moment it locks out controls so that you can't skip track - it seems to me that you should be able to manually skip to another track, and then it keeps repeating that 13.08.00 # I agree. 13.08.10 # in fact, I've found the current behaviour to be quite irritating 13.08.28 # I never use it, but someone brought it up in the forum and I agree with them 13.09.20 # I wonder if the current implementation just makes a one-track playlist and sets it to repeat all..? 13.10.10 # no idea how it actually works :) 13.12.15 Quit AlexP (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.17.03 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 13.17.09 Quit paulo_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.20.22 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 13.23.04 # maraz: i don't think so 13.25.13 # If skipping does nothing at all, I'd say that's definitely a bug. It should skip to the beginning of the "next" track, which of course may be defined as the same track 13.26.10 # I'd say that skipping should change tracks, but skipping to previous should retain the first-click rewind-to-start functionality 13.26.30 # What does plain "repeat" do with a one-track playlist? 13.29.26 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.29.56 Join Jerom [0] (~jerome@79.132.59.245) 13.30.39 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@cez63-2-88-164-98-172.fbx.proxad.net) 13.30.39 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 13.30.39 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 13.33.16 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.34.10 # gevaerts: Yeah, that's what I mean - you should be able to skip 13.37.04 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 13.37.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.40.53 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA46C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.41.25 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 13.45.00 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~mshathlon@5acba02c.bb.sky.com) 13.52.06 Join ZooM41 [0] (Zoom18241@188.187.132.33) 13.54.59 # Hi fellas. My sansa clip+ is 4,03 mb bricked, can someone help me with a bit explaining of the repairing operation? 13.56.49 # used Ubuntu only for a day or something and it was hard to understand the command line part, actually this one: dd if=orig_image.bin of=/dev/sde 13.58.02 # How i must for example write my own patch to firmware in my file system 13.58.46 # That command copies the file orig_image.bin to /dev/sde, which might be your clip+ 14.02.15 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.02.24 Join antil33t [0] (antil33t@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 14.02.50 # and where it must be placed on a hard drive? 14.03.25 # "it"? 14.03.44 # bin file that i will download from internet 14.04.21 # in your current directory, unless you change the dd command to use a more complete path 14.04.53 # root directory? 14.06.39 # first D for a "Drive" word and second for a letter of my drive yeah? 14.06.52 # huh? 14.07.01 # dd 14.07.15 # dd is the command 14.07.24 # ok) 14.07.30 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 14.07.40 # if you are running it from the directory that orig_image.bin is in, then fine 14.07.50 # If not you need to give a more complete path 14.08.05 # such as if=/home/ZooM41/orig_image.bin 14.08.28 # Linux has no concept of drive letters 14.09.27 # and you need to make damn sure that /dev/sde is actually your clip+ 14.09.31 # Ok. And what chances to succesfully restore my player i have? Sorry, i'm not english speaking, and even think now i'm Yoda speaking) 14.09.39 # Otherwise you risk screwing up a hard disk 14.09.55 # It depends what is wrong with it 14.10.16 # Also, what do you mean by "4,03 mb"? 14.10.31 # In windows it shows the size of 4,03 mb 14.10.41 # and didnt want to format 14.10.57 # Player was in this state withiout charge for a month or so 14.11.07 # and nothing changed 14.11.19 # the "dd" command is a Linux thing, you can't do that on windows 14.11.25 # i know 14.11.43 # i will give it a try on my old notebook 14.11.59 # what directory is orig_image.bin in? 14.13.09 # now i even dont have ubuntu installed. 14.13.28 Join FoolOnHill [0] (~foh@adsl-71-69-118.bhm.bellsouth.net) 14.13.39 # Well that would seem to be the first step 14.13.50 # A VM might be a good ideaa 14.13.56 # First thing i think will be getiing size of 900 mb 14.13.56 Quit FoH (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.14.03 # eh? 14.14.27 # VM? 14.14.36 # virtual machine 14.14.44 # you can't "get a different size" 14.14.54 # when it's bricked it shows up as a small device 14.15.05 # you copy the firmware to that device and it reflashes itself and then will work again 14.15.21 # you dont get it 14.15.28 # its 4 mb now 14.16.03 # yes. 14.16.07 # i must sold two contacts with piece of wire and then i thought ill get bigger size ti be able to flash the image 14.16.13 # &) 14.16.14 # ? 14.16.38 # We get it 14.16.50 # When it is bricked it shows up as a 4 MB device 14.16.56 # but the image is 15 mb or so 14.17.02 # You can't just change the size 14.17.02 # bin 14.18.18 # and then how it will work?) 14.18.23 # there's no point in bridging those contacts unless you have a computer ready to flash it with 14.18.28 # it doesn't *stay* in recovery mode 14.18.39 # you have to copy th eimage onto it right away, if you unplug it it'll go back to being small 14.18.51 Join diode [0] (~chatzilla@adsl-76-250-129-52.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 14.18.54 # oh yeah i know 14.19.14 # Has anyone used a Mintyboost to charge their player in Rockbox? Any reason not to do it? 14.19.16 # Thank you guys, will ask you 1 hour later or so 14.19.26 # I can confirm that the clip+ firmware image is indeed about 15 MB, so it can't be written to a 4 MB block device 14.19.50 # Кстати русскоговорящих здесь вообще много? 14.20.42 # bertrik: Indeed, but as I understand it, you have to do the bridging and dd'ing in one step; you can't do anything else to make it bigger first 14.21.09 # Anyway, I've never done it so I'm going to keep quiet :) 14.21.16 # ) 14.21.28 # I'd assume that if it *already* shows a 4MB device, bridging isn't needed? 14.21.39 # no, the 4mb state is just useless 14.21.41 # Anyone here had positive experience of repairing sansas? 14.21.57 # sansa have managed to implement recovery very badly 14.22.02 # this way 14.22.30 # ZooM41, yes, I recovered my sansa clip+ once (and I think I did it with a c200v2 too IIRC) 14.22.57 # ok, you gave me a new hope) 14.24.17 # There is no need to solder the contacts BTW, just keep them bridged while the device powers up, then let go 14.25.15 # ok, i had read unbricking wiki 14.25.33 # just used a wrong word) 14.26.07 # i must hold piece of wire with my hands? 14.26.30 # cant imagine how it will hold on by himself 14.27.37 # I think I just used a screw driver to bridge the two points 14.27.52 # a screw driver? 14.28.03 # oh 14.28.09 # understand) 14.28.39 # in my own try i used a knife 14.28.42 # With the device powered off and flat on the table, I bridged the points using a screw driver, then plugged in the USB cable on the PC side, then looked at the system log if the recovery device came up 14.31.58 # Make sure not to accidentally bridge any other connections points 14.32.05 # ok 14.39.43 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 14.44.52 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@78.120.203.125) 14.44.53 Quit GeekShadow (Changing host) 14.44.53 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 14.48.42 Quit diode (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]) 14.49.35 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-73-7.unitymediagroup.de) 14.50.27 # And i must use same OF that was installed previously? 14.55.40 Join Sochiro [0] (~Sochiro@194.90.222.165) 15.09.06 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 15.28.21 Join j0ep [0] (~4dfab1cb@giant.haxx.se) 15.28.52 # is there ever gonna be support for the philips hdd120/00 by philips? 15.29.24 Quit Sochiro (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 15.29.39 # If someone does the necessary work, sure 15.30.03 Quit Guest59598 (Quit: ooops) 15.31.47 # ok so when could it happen? 15.34.01 # next tuesday 15.34.26 # j0ep: When someone who wants it does it 15.36.50 # j0ep: See www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 15.37.00 # ok 15.37.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.37.37 # i cant really do that with my mp3 :( 15.38.15 Quit j0ep (Quit: CGI:IRC) 15.39.01 # maybe it's actually not that much work if it's similar to the other gogears 16.09.25 DEBUG EOF from server (Connection reset by peer) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545) 16.09.25 *** Cleanup 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them still bridged you plug in USB? 16.27.14 # yes 16.27.14 # well I can only assume that they aren't bridged properly 16.28.37 # hehe will try wire instead of my "unknown-metal-tools" 16.30.09 # * Buschel wonders whether it is now agreed to bring AA-fonts to svn 16.33.04 # Buschel: looks like 16.33.11 # good :) 16.33.31 # I'm playing with convttf currently, will commit when I'm done (assuming there's no objections) 16.38.49 Join casainho [0] (~chatzilla@2.81.153.162) 16.41.00 # * AlexP objects! 16.41.08 # not to AA fonts though 16.48.17 # again an again the same result 16.49.34 Join madalu [0] (~user@unaffiliated/madalu) 16.50.53 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.56.00 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 16.56.18 Join Stummi [0] (~Stummi@rockbox/developer/Stummi) 16.58.18 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17.01.39 Quit madalu (Remote host closed the connection) 17.02.06 Quit casainho (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.03.41 # the interesting thing is that my player was bricked after a hard power off 17.04.44 # it was playing song then stopped, then i use restart and it hadnt show any signs of life 17.05.47 # need to throw it in thrash now... 17.06.30 # trash* 17.10.00 Join madalu [0] (~user@unaffiliated/madalu) 17.13.08 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng274.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 17.14.13 Quit Keripo (Client Quit) 17.17.00 Join casainho [0] (~chatzilla@bl20-140-117.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.22.47 # ZooM41, you can try to hold power for really long (30 seconds or so), to make sure that it's really powered off, then try to keep the point bridged again while you plug in USB 17.31.57 Quit alexbobp (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 17.36.21 Quit matsl (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 17.43.50 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@adsl-75-34-101-211.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) 17.47.36 # battery is unsoldered 17.48.55 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 17.52.33 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3AD14.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.09.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.13.54 Quit amoe (Quit: leaving) 18.14.21 Part ZooM41 18.21.46 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 18.21.52 # pamaury: hello 18.26.52 Join ZooM41 [0] (Zoom18241@188.187.132.33) 18.30.22 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: free(me)) 18.35.14 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 18.36.04 Part ZooM41 18.37.50 # good thing I looked at convttf 18.38.20 # it was slightly buggy 18.52.46 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng254.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 18.55.30 Quit Keripo (Client Quit) 19.00.23 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.12.45 Quit gbl08ma (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.17.30 # * AlexP wonders if bagder will be around at any point tomorrow 19.23.34 # * kugel still wonders about the rsb decision/discussion 19.28.07 # New commit by 03alex (r29403): Bump versions to 3.8 19.30.01 Join GodEater_ [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.31.32 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.31.57 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19.33.15 # What tts do we generally use for voices? 19.34.47 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA68BD.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.36.20 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 19.37.46 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 19.41.50 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.44.32 # AlexP: the automated thing we run is using festival 19.44.55 # B4gder: Thanks, I'll use that for the 3.8 voice files then 19.45.23 # * Llorean still thinks espeak sounds a lot better. 19.45.31 # But it's very subjective. 19.45.35 # I couldn't care less :) 19.45.42 # As long as we can distribute one 19.45.50 # /them both 19.46.03 # I need to install one of them, and I don't care which :) 19.53.12 # I'd go with what we normally use, without other people chiming in. 19.53.32 # I tend to like espeak's pronunciation of things, but if I recall, festival actually had a better "voice" by default 19.53.53 # Now if you get mbrola set up so you can do espeak phonemes to embrola synth, that ends up sounding *really* good, but is a bit more hassle to initially set up. 19.54.08 # Maybe something to bring up again for 3.9 - improved voices. 19.55.27 Join L-Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 20.05.13 # * kugel just was mighty confused by the swapped play/pause icons 20.07.29 Quit GodEater_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.07.49 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.09.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.24.29 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.29.31 Join Stummi [0] (~Stummi@rockbox/developer/Stummi) 20.33.05 Join factor [0] (~factor@75.108.68.114) 20.33.17 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 20.43.41 # kugel: Looking at the AA fonts patch, one thing that seems to be missing is viewport clipping in the lcd_alpha_bitmap_part() function (see the HAVE_VIEWPORT_CLIP code in the other bitmap functions). Should just be a matter of copy/paste to fix. 20.44.14 # I'll have a look 20.46.00 Quit avacore (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.47.09 Quit madalu (Remote host closed the connection) 20.47.18 Join avacore [0] (~avacore@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk) 20.49.12 # * TheSeven wonders when time will be ready for a 4.0 release 20.51.04 # TheSeven: I'd say with the first RaaA release 20.51.14 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-60-132.98-62.inwind.it) 20.51.38 # B4gder: Are you around at any point tomorrow? For release uploading etc. 20.51.57 Quit casainho (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.54.07 # New commit by 03kugel (r29404): Android: Simplify media button intent generation in the widget and cleanup RockboxService accordingly. 20.57.59 # r29404 build result: All green 20.59.02 # AlexP: let's hurry then, or we get a 3.10 :P 20.59.12 # yeah :) 20.59.55 # * linuxstb wonders what the criteria would be for a RaaA release 21.00.16 # a good question 21.03.42 # AlexP: And apparently one with no answer.... ;) 21.04.15 # linuxstb: Not from me at the moment anyway :) 21.06.27 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4D6F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.10.54 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.11.05 # What would it take to bump to the Android port to Unstable? 21.13.25 # rasher: I think incorporating it into the automatic build system - so we can actually provide binaries is one criterla. 21.14.12 # Did we ever set up some criterea for the 3 categories? 21.15.07 # I'm thinking it'd be nice with a wikipage with a slightly better description of what makes a target stable/unstable/unusable 21.15.18 # (which would at the same time serve as a useful checklist) 21.16.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications 21.17.04 # the definitions are flexible though 21.18.47 # Providing binaries is a little tricky for android IIUC 21.18.52 # I think there's also the issue with RaaA that we (may?) want to give a good first impression when we first release binaries for it. So maybe we should be stricter than normal. But on the other hand, we can also rename it to "alpha" or "beta" status... 21.19.21 # as if it is built on a different machine then it is signed differently, and so can't upgrade a previous version, you have to remove then reinstall 21.19.33 # saratoga: ah! 21.19.38 # linuxstb: I agree, we really need the interface to be sorted out 21.19.52 # Maybe that page should be linked from the front page - with a little '?' behind each classification 21.20.06 # we should probably do the unstable release only on rockbox.org, and then down the road when everthing is sorted out do the android market 21.20.29 # people will understand that if you're downloading an unstable apk from a website that its not a finished release 21.20.45 # We also need to offer a selection of screen sizes 21.21.02 # or else support multiple sizes with one build 21.21.05 # I wonder if the building can be done by the build farm then the signing by the server? 21.21.20 # yeah, or one build, multiple res 21.21.26 # AlexP: Ah, that's likely to be possible. 21.22.02 # no opinion on this patch, but it exists: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 21.23.55 # AlexP: If I understand the android.make file correctly, a "TEMP_APK" file is first created, and then the final step in the process is to sign that temporary APK to create the final one. 21.24.18 # How do other apps handle different screensizes? 21.24.22 # linuxstb: Ah, good - that seems a good step to hand it off 21.24.32 # Surely there must be a mechanism for handling this already? 21.24.32 # AlexP: So yes, signing on the build server seems a sensible solution. 21.24.38 # s/build/master build/ 21.25.04 # rasher: most apps are in java, which tends to use resolution agnostic GUIs 21.25.23 # saratoga: I was thinking of bitmaps and so on 21.25.50 # presumably gui picks the right backdrop for the java frame size 21.26.58 # when i used java ages ago with Swing, you'd have frames and such that were "as big as they needed to be", then if you wanted the frame could tell you whatever size it ended up with and you could use that to tweak it 21.27.04 # New commit by 03kugel (r29405): Android: Remove notification item on pausing too. ... 21.27.04 # i assume android is pretty similar 21.28.20 # AlexP: one option is to share the signature on the build clients, the other is to build android exclusively on the build master 21.28.28 # b) is preferred IIRC 21.28.51 # kugel: Or just sign it on the build master? (see what linuxstb just said) 21.28.53 # I think it'd be better to not sign "unknown" code 21.29.08 # rasher: Ah yes, that is something to consider 21.29.23 # btw, a friend of mine told me we should grab an official rockbox market account while it's still available 21.29.39 # kugel: What does that involve? 21.29.46 # I mean we distribute binaries from the build system of course, but it might be worse if something bad ends up on the market 21.29.54 # he said one can reserve the account and name without actually releasing anything 21.30.08 # rasher: I think we'd only put actual releases on the market, no? 21.30.20 # Yeah 21.30.26 # I think so as well 21.30.28 # So for a release every 4 months or so, the build can be done manually by a trusted machine 21.30.37 # As now, in fact 21.30.47 # r29405 build result: All green 21.30.53 # kugel: I'd say go ahead and do it 21.30.59 # if you want to switch between current builds and releases you want the current builds on the same machine too 21.31.14 # https://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=113468 21.31.16 # kugel: Market fees aren't massive I don't think, and the fund is there 21.31.38 # I think the fee is a one time thing but I haven't looked into it 21.31.45 # IIRC one of us already has an account? 21.32.00 # 25 dollars one time fee 21.32.05 # kugel: Yep, we want to sign all on build master I think 21.32.25 # Maybe it'd be nice to setup the account from someone who can sell paid apps (for donationware) 21.32.41 # can't any account do that? 21.32.55 # I think we want a Swede to do this really don't we? 21.32.55 # you can't sell from every country IIRC 21.32.59 # ah right 21.33.01 # Only a dozen countries iirc 21.33.11 # Is Sweden one? 21.33.15 # yes 21.33.34 # yes, seems to be: https://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=150324 21.33.44 # I remember Zagor got an account, didn't he? 21.33.44 # https://market.android.com/publish/signup 21.33.51 # Ah, it's more than a dozen now, but still limited. 21.34.36 # I think we want B4gder/zagor to do it - both as it is official RB, but also if we do do a donation one it is much more simple money wise 21.43.29 # Makes sense 21.45.02 Quit L-Strife89 (Quit: Stowing laptop for now) 21.46.07 # I don't think that'll be a problem 21.46.49 # so whats the difficulty in incorporating android into the build system? just package signing? 21.47.13 # that and no official market account 21.47.29 # the build system needs no market account =) 21.47.46 # sure, but they'll be linked, kind of 21.48.58 # that reminds me, whenever verizon feels like selling me a thunderbolt, i'll try doing some battery benchmarks on my old G1 with different codecs and see how much of a difference optimization makes on application builds 21.50.18 # New commit by 03alex (r29406): Forgot to add the help text for make elfzip. 21.50.34 # New commit by 03alex (r29407): Forgot to add the help text for make elfzip. 21.54.09 # r29406 build result: All green 21.57.31 # * kugel has a quick look at how you could display album art on the widget 21.58.42 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@SEAS211.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) 22.00.39 # New commit by 03kugel (r29408): Android: Also enable some plugins ... 22.00.40 # New commit by 03kugel (r29409): Android: Add a 3x3 sized widget. 22.04.10 # r29408 build result: All green 22.08.00 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.08.26 # r29409 build result: All green 22.09.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.10.48 Join Kitr88 [0] (~Kitarist@BSN-182-110-8.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 22.10.53 # hehe, it won't that hard actually 22.11.25 # except for embedded album art ;) 22.15.20 Quit Kitr88 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.15.28 Quit Kitar|st (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.20.49 Join Kitar|st [0] (~Kitarist@BSN-182-68-92.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) 22.23.28 # New commit by 03dave (r29410): Clarify the condition for stripping the leading / in rbdir. The calculation of $app in the current code implies that this is not done for any call to ... 22.27.20 # r29410 build result: All green 22.27.31 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.28.06 # Manual says, "Setting the Sound Option Channels to Karaoke may disable voice menus." <==== ?????? (not on SWCODEC it shouldn't cause them to be inaudible) 22.28.50 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 22.29.44 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@giant.haxx.se) 22.29.44 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 22.29.44 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 22.30.23 # New commit by 03dave (r29411): Cosmetic change only - remove tabs. 22.34.07 # r29411 build result: All green 22.36.31 # \o/ 22.38.02 # /!\ 22.39.07 # http://imagebin.org/140082 :> 22.40.16 # kugel: as long as it's not full theming, we're not satisfied 22.41.11 # shh! 22.41.15 # :) 22.47.40 Join JesusFreak316 [0] (~JesusFrea@pool-173-65-106-39.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 22.49.24 # kugel (or anyone else): Any objections to splitting the file firmware/export/config/application.h into target-specific .h files, in the same way as other targets have? (FS#11966) 22.53.42 # nope 22.53.50 Quit Llorean (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.54.37 # rasher: Shouldn't "buildable through the build system" also be an "unstable" criteria, rather than just "stable" ? (re: your edit to TargetClassifications). Also, perhaps reword it to something like "Current/daily builds available" for "unusable", and "A stable release and current/daily builds available" for "stable" ? 22.57.21 Part Zagor 22.57.29 # the widget is just adorable with the album art. like a miniature cabbie <3 22.58.24 # are there pictures of it? 22.58.29 # "miniature" ? How big is it (I'm guessing bigger than a lot of targets) ? 22.58.44 # I posted one a few lines above 23.01.32 Quit JesusFreak316 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.02.14 # linuxstb: don't know how big exactly. i just meant miniature compared to the real one in the app (also in terms of capabilities) 23.03.50 # oh nice! 23.03.56 Join Jerom [0] (~jerome@79.132.59.245) 23.05.38 # linuxstb: I was thinkign that, but wasn't sure 23.06.25 # kugel: that's cute! 23.12.54 # kugel: Yes, I know - I wasn't serious. 23.13.14 # And yes, it is cute. And the buttons work? 23.14.34 # yes 23.14.42 # New commit by 03alex (r29412): FS#11968 by Peter Lecky - Slovak language update 23.14.52 # New commit by 03alex (r29413): FS#11968 by Peter Lecky - Slovak language update 23.14.56 # I didn't notice that you weren't serious :) 23.18.00 # r29412 build result: All green 23.20.18 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 23.28.01 # hey, i noticed that my build client is reporting: Hello deepthought-ender. Your build client has been temporarily blocked by the administrators due to: Some weird error. Build logs are very short. Please go to #rockbox to enable your client again. 23.31.11 Join L-Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.31.18 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B67ECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.31.33 # AlexP: if you do your button reordering in the wps we only can add a tiny golden bar to the widget and mini cabbie will be perfect :-) 23.31.47 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 23.31.50 # nice :) 23.32.17 # s/only// 23.37.19 # anyone concerns about FS#11913? I'm planning to look into that tomorrow (and likely commit it) 23.40.17 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r29414): libucl: don't error out when output folder exists. ... 23.44.04 # r29414 build result: All green 23.45.14 # mshathlonxp: Regarding tts and voice tags in .lang files - do not apply correction for specific tts's/ voices there 23.45.31 # ?? 23.46.34 Join Antibuddha [0] (~chatzilla@c-71-59-13-214.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 23.46.51 # The voice tags should contain the voice string with its proper spelling. The main difference between the voice tag and the dest tag ist that abbreviations are spelled out (e.g. "wps" -> "while playing screen") 23.47.21 # hmm. Does genlang.pl need adjustment when new translations get added? 23.47.40 # my first goal is to correct some other things anyway, but I'm afraid that there's no TTS solution for latvian language 23.47.43 # ive been trying to help someone install rockbox on an iriver h140, and i cant figure out what he's doing wrong. if anyone knows whats wrong i'd appreciate some help. http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/434921/iriver-h120-with-80gb-hdd-guide#post_7300663 23.47.45 # I hope I'm wrong :> 23.47.47 # the genlang cgi used by Rockbox Utility that is 23.48.00 # If some specific language, tts or voice needs some help regarding proper pronunciation, those corrections should always be applied in the tool creating the voice file 23.48.52 # I don't know whether rbutil supports tts adjustments nowadays; the build system method of building a voice file does. See voice.pl 23.49.03 # Antibuddha: looks like that guy doesn't have the bootloader installed 23.49.40 # Rockbox Utility does not have TTS adjustments currently. I'm working on adding them, see FS#11913? 23.49.47 # specifically correct_string() 23.51.01 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA68BD.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.51.32 Join leavittx [0] (~lev@89.221.199.187) 23.57.21 Join JesusFreak316 [0] (~JesusFrea@pool-173-65-106-39.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 23.57.36 # B4gder: ping 23.58.13 # hey,i have finished russian translation! FS11969 23.58.42 # good 23.58.52 # so I don't have to worry about that