--- Log for 07.03.111 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 11 hours ago 00.00.12 Quit [Saint] (Disconnected by services) 00.00.14 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.62) 00.00.40 Nick Llorean1 is now known as Llorean (~DarkkOne@99-68-45-56.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 00.00.43 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 00.00.43 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 00.05.05 Join jktcat [0] (~jktcat@adsl-81-5-80.hsv.bellsouth.net) 00.05.50 # \o/ first custom code run on rk27xx 00.06.05 # turn off backlight :-) 00.06.09 # congratulations! \o/ 00.06.34 # when I try to use the rockbox utility I get into the archive and when I try to open the utility itself there's a window that says "open file" at the top and no files are listed 00.06.43 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 00.08.06 # jktcat: you mean you are looking for archived versions of the Rockbox Utility there? 00.09.02 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli) 00.10.23 Quit iq_ (Quit: Leaving) 00.11.00 Join iq [0] (~iq@unaffiliated/iq) 00.11.57 Join stuntpenguin007 [0] (d06b7bd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.107.123.217) 00.12.29 # Anything going on with the ipod nano 5g? 00.14.53 # anything going on would be on the wiki or relevant forum thread 00.15.02 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@5419A4D7.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 00.15.09 # the issue with convttf seems to be in glyph_width that causes numerals to be variable width 00.15.30 # pixel: maybe I'm just clueless... 00.15.56 Quit thomasjfox (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.17.02 Join gbl08ma [0] (~mint@78.130.4.91.rev.optimus.pt) 00.18.47 Part gbl08ma 00.18.58 # OK I'm clearly clueless. I downloaded the utility and then downloaded the source code seperately for my device. How do I get the information onto my ipod? 00.19.43 # I've looked in the faq and it doesn't show anything that doesn't look straight forward, which my problem doesn't seem to be 00.20.18 # jktcat: have you read the installation instructions in the manual? 00.20.20 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.20.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.20.53 # yea, the backlight_off chunk works both loaded into iram and into sdram :-) 00.21.23 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.21.48 # i got it figured out, sorry for the hassle 00.21.51 Quit jktcat (Quit: Leaving) 00.26.46 Quit guymann (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.28.21 Part stuntpenguin007 00.30.51 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 00.31.49 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.53=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 00.32.04 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.33.45 Join guymann [0] (~charles@66-159-148-187.adsl.snet.net) 00.36.09 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 00.41.53 Join techluver [0] (~440f0155@giant.haxx.se) 00.44.21 Quit techluver (Client Quit) 00.45.16 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@98.115.0.7) 00.45.16 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 00.45.16 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@unaffiliated/froggyman) 00.50.00 Join webguest58 [0] (~440f0155@giant.haxx.se) 00.50.16 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.50.50 Quit webguest58 (Client Quit) 00.52.21 Part domonoky1 00.53.15 Quit krazykit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.54.43 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC) 00.57.43 Join krazykit [0] (~krazykit@99-126-205-52.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 00.59.02 Quit kevku (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.18.56 Join bk1995 [0] (~7d1@giant.haxx.se) 01.19.26 # How do i sync music to ipod mini rockbox? 01.19.54 # any way you want 01.20.20 # itunes would work still? 01.20.35 # if you want to use that crap then sure 01.20.47 # it just comes up as a usb hard disk, put your files wheverer you want 01.21.17 # lol. doesn't matter what directory? it will see them any where? 01.21.25 # yes 01.21.27 # lol. doesn't matter what directory? it will see them any where? 01.21.27 Quit bk1995 (Client Quit) 01.21.36 Join bk1995 [0] (~7d1@giant.haxx.se) 01.21.51 # sorry, refresh, didn't get responce. 01.27.14 # bk1995, No matter where your music is on your iPod, rockbox will play them 01.27.49 Join mordocai [0] (~mordocai@66.119.9.243) 01.30.30 Quit ender` (Quit: If Ingress is the way inside and Egress the way out, does that make Congress the way to a scam?) 01.36.34 Join webguest29 [0] (~440f0155@giant.haxx.se) 01.36.56 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 01.38.52 # hi. I have a problem. I have a sandisc sense clip plus, and I can't build voices with Rbutil. Help please? 01.44.49 Quit webguest29 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 01.58.24 Quit sideral1 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.01.26 Quit bk1995 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 02.09.40 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 02.14.59 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 02.20.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.21.27 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 02.21.43 Quit mordocai (Quit: Leaving) 02.36.54 # JdGordon1: Did you have a play withthat cabbie theme I'd played with? 02.37.13 # I *think* I might have found a solution for the popup, but...I'm testing it out now. 02.37.52 # (think of how the dialpad is handled while making a call, that little tab thing...I'm thinking of using a similar principle. 02.37.54 # ) 02.38.48 # bk1995, No matter where your music is on your iPod, rockbox will play them <-- Not true at all. 02.39.41 # froggyman: As a note, music put inside the .rockbox dir will be neglected by the database by default unless the user specifically removes the database.ignore file. 02.40.29 # (or adds a database.include file to a music dir contained inside the .rockbox dir) 02.43.37 # S_a_i_n_t, but rockbox can still /play/ them if you navigate to them. it's just not as easy. 02.43.51 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@dhcp0101.kin.resnet.group.upenn.edu) 02.44.30 # Well, yes...I guess that does make it technically true. 02.44.37 # A royal PITA, but true. 02.45.41 Quit alexbobp2 (Quit: leaving) 02.50.33 # S_a_i_n_t: yes, running it on my phone now 02.50.39 Join Keripo1 [0] (~Keripo@eng289.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 02.50.43 # i changed to the non-bold font thouhg 02.50.51 # did you come up with a better solution for the popup? 02.50.55 # (just curious) 02.52.09 Quit Keripo (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.52.19 # no, havnt played with it at all 02.52.27 # If not, I'll be adding a tab to the side of the screen to initiate the popup screen, the other solution I think is just making the items in the popup screen's touch areas active on long press, so it doesn't fire automatically if you open the touchscreen and a touch area opens in the viewport underneath your finger. 02.52.35 # i still prefer the whole area to open it up instead of a dedicated soft button 02.52.45 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@adsl-75-34-101-211.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) 02.52.56 # yuck to long presses 02.53.03 # JdGordon1: Then the solution is making the touch areas long press. 02.53.14 # no it aint 02.53.20 # otherwise it can jump straight to an item in the popup, and that SUCKS. 02.53.34 # it shouldnt be able to 02.53.43 # that sucks way worse than a soft button to launch the popup. 02.53.51 # well, it can ;) 02.54.01 # You said yourself you experienced it, rasher did also. 02.54.49 # it launches the touch area immediately under your finger when the popup viewport opens if you're unlucky enough to open the popup with an area of the screen that will have a touch area on it when the popup opens. 02.55.29 # so the "fix" is making sure you never are unlucky enough to touch the center of the screen...if the current code isn't broken. 02.55.35 # yeah, but that is because there is a bug in the touch handling 02.55.39 # s/code/method/ 02.56.09 # Well, until that's fixed...I don't see the harm inthe default themes avoiding the issue. 02.56.30 # sure 02.56.31 # It's easy enough now to tie the popup to a specific area and limit opening it accidentally. 02.56.35 # so a tab is prob best 02.56.42 # * S_a_i_n_t nods. 02.56.56 # with an animation :D 02.57.20 # nah....the way we do animations, it looks *SHIT* trying to animate things like this 02.57.33 # (a screen popping in/out) <-- tried it with iLike. 02.58.08 # haha really? 02.58.50 # the animation also needs to run full crcle with the way we do sublines, and if it's initiated again conditionally before the animation cycle finishes you'll catch it halfway through the animation. 02.58.58 Join webguest05 [0] (~440f0155@giant.haxx.se) 02.59.21 # there no way to do "stop this current animation subline, and restart it, or start this one instead"..it simply has to finish start to end. 02.59.21 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 02.59.30 # more reason to add variables 02.59.35 Quit Judas_PhD (Client Quit) 02.59.47 Quit Keripo1 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 03.00.21 # 0.1 sec is also far too slow to doo popup/transition effects, and I suspect if the screens updated any faster then there'd be some serious complaints. 03.00.48 # 0.1 sec already causes some issues with some people that believe the screen updating so often is detrimental. 03.00.55 # *do 03.01.10 # Hi, I have a problem. Rb Sansa Clip +, rbutil can't make voice file. Gives error encoding partway through. any help? 03.01.29 # webguest05: What OS, and what is the error? 03.02.08 # windows, and it says it has an error encoding one of the files. the others encode fine. I have a log file but don't know how to use it 03.02.40 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 03.04.34 # What file does it say it fails on, and is this whilst building a voice file, or .talk files? 03.04.51 # Error: could not open input file 03.04.51 # 03.05.03 # I found the error: could not open input file 03.05.34 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng289.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 03.06.03 # LANG_PLAYLIST_INSERT_COUNT.mp3 making voice file 03.10.27 # Why isn't it finding the file? 03.11.12 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@64.235.208.72) 03.11.48 Quit webguest05 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 03.15.59 # I could only speculate there, my guess is that it's failing to generate it...but why? No idea. 03.16.14 # bluebrother is the rbutil man. 03.21.27 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 03.24.29 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03.29.50 Nick Loto_ is now known as Loto (~nfs@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) 03.29.52 Quit Loto (Changing host) 03.29.52 Join Loto [0] (~nfs@xbmc/user/Loto) 03.30.35 # JdGordon1: Could I get you to look at something for me please? 03.31.22 # as long as i wont be sick or need counciling after looking 03.31.49 # I just want to know if I'm linking the touch areas and viewports correctly. 03.32.04 # http://pastebin.com/Lz5uEHpp 03.32.29 Join Zomg_ [0] (~Zomg@174-17-172-40.phnx.qwest.net) 03.32.43 # I want POPUP TAB to launch POPUP MENU 03.33.15 # (I also want the popup tab to dissappear when the popup window is open) 03.33.24 # hi, I'm unbricking my sansa clip v2 atm, and I managed to access the hidden part of the NAND. 03.33.35 # but I have nfi what image I need to put on it to restore it 03.33.44 # anyone wanna help :X 03.33.55 # Zomg_: You need an original image from a working player. 03.35.06 # as in, not just the firmware binary...but this procedure needs to be done on a working player, and the content of the partition dumped. 03.35.31 # :\ thought so 03.35.39 # noone would happen to have an image? 03.36.43 # IIRC extracting a firmware image to that partition is suffucient to get ROckbox to install, but the original firmware expects there to be some additional magic on that partition. 03.36.59 # (Don't quote that as gospel, but I believe that to be the case) 03.37.00 # S_a_i_n_t: you havnt linked it at all... you need to setup the touchregion with the label i.e %T(e 03.37.07 # and you suck for using 1 letter labels 03.37.33 # %Tl(e,2.0,0,0,20,165,none) <- noooooo!!! 03.37.41 # Oh...Jd, yeah..I used %Tl where I should have %T'd 03.37.52 # so nobody has an extra clip v2 they can create an image of for me? 03.37.59 # %T(label, ) then %?Tl(label, timeout)<> 03.38.03 # I also blame your vague CustomWPS/Manual entry :P 03.38.10 # write a better one :) 03.38.27 # Fix the skin context so I can see how it works, and...I just might ;) 03.38.34 # ? 03.38.50 # (You know how I want it to work, make it work that way so I can see what I did wrong...please) 03.39.30 # it works how you want it to work now 03.40.27 # No...no no no, I meant, could you edit the pastebin I just posted. 03.42.04 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (~rmenes@c-68-36-232-73.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.42.04 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Changing host) 03.42.04 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (~rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 03.42.38 # http://pastebin.com/index/Lz5uEHpp 03.42.51 # variables of some sort really need to be added i tihnk 03.44.51 # then we'd check the value of the var to see if we should popup instead of time since press 03.46.14 # i.e %?v(a)<%?Tl(toggle, 1)<%vs(a, 1)>> <- if we arnt already set, set if the toggle button was pressed 03.46.45 # then couple that with a check for time since var changed and we have a more global timeout 03.47.12 # Hmmm...wtf?!? 03.47.18 # your pastebin is identical to mine. 03.47.21 # to which part?> 03.47.27 # I *think* I've got it, though. 03.47.36 # JdGordon1: all of it. 03.47.56 # Nothing was changed at all. 03.48.47 # http://pastebin.com/w0tTC0y5 03.49.34 # Aha...I did have it correct in my head the second time, thanksyou for confirming that. 03.49.52 # I'm not a fan of doubting myself, especially with new syntax I'm unfamiliar with. 03.51.19 # :o apparently I was bridging it wrong? 03.51.35 # when I bridged it I saw the whole 3.64GB 03.51.50 # not the 979mb nand 03.51.53 # btw...I'll use more than one letter identifiers when I make a theme with 104+ viewports ;) 03.52.36 # Zomg_: apparently, yes...I don't understand though, if you have access to the whole drive, why are you trying to access the recovery partition? 03.53.07 # I can't access the whole drive unless I do the bridge thing 03.53.28 # when I plug it in w/o bridging it fdisk doesn't show it 03.53.44 # if I bridge the pins in the photo it shows the whole disk 03.54.45 # S_a_i_n_t: http://pastebin.com/nvudiDxv 03.55.10 # where it says "A.19.09.01" in the photo mine says "b.20.09.0.1" so I probably have the wrong pins 03.56.24 # JdGordon1: %vt I could use... 03.56.45 # the others don't strike me as useful immediately, but I suspect that's the right brain talking. 03.56.59 # %vt cant be used without the others :) 03.57.56 # then we should be able to make the whole area pressable to get the popup shown and not have it cause problems 03.58.23 # touchregiogns arent supposed to be triggerable unless the viewport was activated already when the press happened 04.05.54 # Yes, I believe that is the case as well. 04.06.03 # But the button repeats are far too fast. 04.06.42 # so the screen is pressed, and the popup opens, and the touch area under your finger fires all in the blink of an eye. 04.06.54 # rasher did say he say the popup *very* briefly. 04.07.11 # so, it works as expected..just at lightning speed. 04.07.48 # ah, im trying with your theme now and cant get the browse button to press unless i release after it pops up 04.07.51 # so no, that is working 04.08.09 # the bug i was seeing in my playing was the popup would show after my repeat mode popup went away 04.08.46 # Hmmm...werid. rasher was finding a way to drill down into the context menu just by slightly touching the screen. 04.09.03 # (at least, that's how he described it, or the impression I got) 04.09.44 # JdGordon1: Do you want to play with the pop tab version I've just made? I just finished a tab graphic. 04.11.03 # put up a screenshot? im at work so limited play time 04.11.31 # Hmmm, no way to make one without switching to linux....it can wait ;) 04.12.08 # * JdGordon1 needs to check out FS#11084 04.12.21 # thats wps variables also 04.12.38 # It's difficult using the theme editor when it can't parse a good 10% of the syntax your theme is using ;) 04.12.55 # :/ 04.13.13 # still a valuable too though, but I have to make weird hacks in the code so I can see what it will look like, then go back and fix the syntax so rb won't choke on it. 04.13.20 # *tool 04.14.03 # I have looked at the theme editor, and adding the new tags to it...and, I very quickly decided "fuck that". 04.14.34 # the theme editor really should be using good OO prinicples... 04.14.40 # i.e each tag should be a class 04.14.47 # holy crap yay 04.14.51 # the lcd screen is back on now 04.15.00 # only when I plug it into the pc now 04.15.03 # tag.get_text() tag.draw() etc 04.15.12 # gave me a lil 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04.59.59 Join scorche|sh [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 05.02.17 Quit Barahir_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 05.03.49 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: I am adding a volume slider popup now also. 05.03.49 # <[Saint]> Just doing the graphic for the volume slider. 05.09.26 # sweet 05.10.00 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF3C67.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.10.04 # <[Saint]> basically ripping off the way the OF's UI does it...but "meh" ;) 05.11.02 # <[Saint]> I didn't think about it until just now, the whole yellow bar slider thing...but, I guess it's consistent. And Rockbox had the yellow/black colour scheme first ;p 05.13.43 Quit Rob2223 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.16.46 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 05.22.37 Quit Dreamxtreme (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.23.50 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: A slider image needs to be %xl'd? 05.24.18 # <[Saint]> nevermind...of course it does. 05.31.12 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dre@92.18.107.116) 05.42.08 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: Is touching the volume icon/display in the display area/bottom of the .wps sane to launch the volume popup? 05.42.28 # <[Saint]> Or should I use a tab the same as the other popup, but on the opposite side of the screen? 05.42.44 # <[Saint]> (that would make the theme symmetrical) 05.42.49 # thats what i'd expect 05.42.51 # (the first) 05.43.28 # <[Saint]> Ok, I will clean up the dummy images I made, make actual images, and upload what I have for you to play with when you can. 05.45.47 # <[Saint]> I was thinking if I chose to use the second option, and have two tabs for each popup, on opposite sides of the sceen for symmetry I could label the browser/quickscreen/context menu popup's launcher tab with the RB clef, and the volume popup's launcher tab with an obvious volume icon...but I shall see how well the current way I have it works for you. 05.48.00 # * JdGordon1 is not particularly a fan of the tab ideas 05.48.06 # mostly because people would expect an animation 05.56.19 # <[Saint]> Oh, I'm also doing a matching .sbs also...so this theme is really coming along now. 05.59.26 # playback controls popping up over the wps area in the sbs would be nice 05.59.44 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4) 05.59.49 # * JdGordon1 might do some coding tonight to make things work betterter 06.00.45 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 06.23.05 # cmus or mpd? 06.29.16 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: This .sbs has all the playback controls...it just needs them to be able to be used ;) 06.30.04 # it didnt have a sbs when you linked me before 06.30.18 # * JdGordon1 is still after a url of a 480x800 build with the line height patch 06.30.41 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Quit: bedtime) 06.31.46 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: Nope, I'm building the .sbs as we speak, that's why it wasn't included when it was linked last. 06.32.17 # <[Saint]> I've pretty much changed/cleaned up everything since yesterday, and added a lot of stuff. 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SO I can sync your changes and add the additional userfont. 06.35.20 # all, i loaded the nonbold font in settings 06.35.24 # i dont like bold 06.35.31 # <[Saint]> Oh, right...I see. 06.35.41 # though on the wps I would like some of it bold 06.35.50 # or different font completly 06.36.06 # <[Saint]> We'll talk about that later when you're at home and can play a bit more. 06.36.24 # <[Saint]> I'll use this time to make my code readable, and cleanup the images I just made. 06.38.23 # the first part is a waste of time :p 06.38.29 # its impossible to make it readable 06.43.36 Join DannyWyatt [0] (~467c6f6f@giant.haxx.se) 06.56.51 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 06.58.44 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5DD574DC.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.58.45 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 06.58.45 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 06.59.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.01.25 Quit Horschti (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 07.07.10 Join DarthCaitSith [0] (~spock@ip72-197-99-42.sd.sd.cox.net) 07.08.31 # I am having a bit of a problem, installed rockbox no prob, now i can't mount my device (sansa clip+) 07.09.04 Quit DannyWyatt (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 07.09.14 # not even showing up in lsusb 07.19.51 # try sudo fdisk -l 07.20.05 # see if your device shows up there 07.20.25 # nope 07.21.55 # hmm 07.22.05 # the clip turns on though right 07.22.08 # ... 07.22.58 # yeah boots in to rockbox fine 07.23.10 # i booted back in to the sansa os and it connects fine 07.23.57 # yeah thats the case on my fuze as well 07.24.19 # doesn't work in rockbox mode but the regular os works fine 07.28.07 Quit DarthCaitSith (Quit: Leaving) 07.32.51 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-203-49.unitymediagroup.de) 07.33.44 Join homielowe [0] (~46431a81@unaffiliated/homielowe) 07.34.19 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3AA6B.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.36.01 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@145.116.15.244) 07.38.38 # Hello. 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09.56.13 # <[Saint]> (It's still not what I'd consider "finished", but I don't want to go too many steps ahead of myself in case I need to undo something because someone thinks it's a crap idea. 09.56.16 # <[Saint]> ) 09.57.03 # can you make some screenshots for those of us too lazy to install it? 10.01.12 # <[Saint]> I actually can't funnily enough...I don't have a target of that size myself, nor the SDL app...and the themeeditor displays about 20% of it incorrectly as the skin syntax is newer than the editor knows how to understand. 10.03.31 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-214-159.98-62.inwind.it) 10.09.21 # * JdGordon1 can do a screenshot soonish 10.17.26 # <[Saint]> Let me know what you think. 10.18.05 # I think I'm going to get violent if i keep having to edit autoconf.h to use the sdl app with different screen sizes 10.18.51 # I also tihnk the sdl app is a PITA re the /.rockbox relocation 10.23.24 # [Saint]: you are insane... not only for reasons you think.... reusing label id's 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Quit LinusN (Changing host) 10.41.02 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 10.43.05 # <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/etkqfd28 <-- JdGordon1 10.45.36 # <[Saint]> If you could sync your changes with that, it'd be brilliant. This fixes (or should) the oversight with the popup tab image. 10.46.25 # yep, done 10.47.15 # volume looks like the region isnt wide enough 10.47.54 # <[Saint]> Hmmm? Oh, right...can the slider not reach the ends correctly/gets cut off? 10.49.10 # <[Saint]> gah...do you have a new link for your edits? pastebin's gone weird again. 10.51.18 # slider doesnt work at all.. the region to activate the popup is only the left edge of the vol button 10.51.59 # how wide are the images? 10.52.19 # the vol icon i mean 10.53.02 # yeah, its 20 instead of 88 10.54.27 # <[Saint]> make it "%T(f,0,0,88,60,none)" 10.54.41 # yeah figured that :) 10.54.54 # I'm going to the skin vars now i tihnk instead of more playing 10.55.05 # <[Saint]> no idea how I cocked that up...c/p'ing touch areas I think. 10.55.25 # also, you know the timeouts dont *require* .0 yeah? 10.55.28 # 2 == 2.0 10.55.34 # == 2s 10.55.49 # <[Saint]> but...is everything working as good as can be expected? 10.55.59 # <[Saint]> and yes, old habits, blah blah ;) 10.58.24 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: I you have any more changes, whack up a new pastebin. I'd like to know we're working from the same page. 10.58.27 # the vol slider doesnt work 10.58.51 # <[Saint]> Hmmm...it's the first time I have tried using a slider. 10.58.52 # i havnt done any changes other than the %Tl lines and that volume one 10.58.57 # whack it on git :) 11.00.29 # <[Saint]> Looks good...I wish I knew why the volume popup isn't working. 11.00.39 # <[Saint]> Is it the popup not working, or just the slider? 11.01.40 # the slider works but doesnt get redrawn... investigating 11.02.13 # you want is as a slider type? 11.02.49 # <[Saint]> yes, the slider image I kinda stole from the Android OF...to add a degree a familiarity. 11.03.19 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p5DE5A646.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.03.38 # it works if i remove the %xd(E) line 11.04.21 # <[Saint]> ah...shit, and that's the popup backdrop, so...we kinda need that. 11.05.59 Nick Kuitsi- is now known as Kuitsi (~Kuitsi@a88-113-118-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.06.10 # doesnt the slider have a backdrop param? 11.07.09 # <[Saint]> possibly, but %xd(E) isn't just the backdrop for the slider...it's the whole volume popup. 11.07.25 # yeah, I know, but it could still work 11.08.17 # [Saint]: I'm not too happy with the use of Q and C for the quick screen and context menus. I'm not sure what I'd use exactly, but if it were to be a default theme, I'd suggest spending some time trying really hard to get icons that represent it without depending on language-specific terms. 11.08.32 # Is there a button to get back to the main menu somewhere, or just filetree, quickscree, and context menu? 11.08.40 # <[Saint]> Ummm...the default theme already uses that. 11.08.54 # <[Saint]> so, your time to be unhappy about it is long passed. 11.09.18 # Well then, I'm not happy about the current default theme either. 11.09.26 # It's something to be fixed. 11.09.38 # That would make yours more of an improvement if it fixed them. 11.10.01 # <[Saint]> And yes, there's a HW button that always goes to the main menu. 11.10.05 # As it stands, it's not been upgraded to unstable or supported yet, so there's plenty of time to be upset about it, and or seek to have it fixed anyway 11.10.12 # the icons suck yes, but that is something which needs alternative optinos 11.10.18 # <[Saint]> tablets need another solution, though 11.10.23 # I absolutly hate the lack of "menu" action on the wps 11.10.28 # and "wps" action on the sbs 11.10.41 # JdGordon1: I'd agree. I feel like it should be 100% touch, if possible. 11.11.03 # The hardware buttons are nice, but if it's 100% touch it's really easy to port to future touch targets that may not have the same hardware button features. 11.11.36 # <[Saint]> well...my personal theme adds a touch area to the titlebar that goes to the menu, or back to the wps...but that's not exactly intuitive so I'm told. 11.12.35 # <[Saint]> a touch region that does exactly the same as the HW menu key 11.12.47 # not in the theme im using? 11.12.58 # <[Saint]> Nope, you said it was a crap idea ;) 11.13.21 # i very much doubt that 11.13.29 # <[Saint]> actually..it was there, but I took it out after you saying that. 11.13.30 # JdGordon1, [Saint]: can these touch area identifiers share be shared between two areas (e.g. touch areas on the same spot, one for long and the other for a short press)? Alternatively I'd like a better solution for this short and long press areas at the same spot 11.13.58 # Something to indicate that's what it does, maybe a scaled down, color matched version of the image behind the Q/C buttons, at one end of the bar or the other. 11.14.02 # <[Saint]> pixelma: what's wrong with the way it is now? 11.14.17 # <[Saint]> long and short presses coexist perfectly well do they not? 11.14.20 # I need two same sized areas? 11.14.29 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 11.14.44 # pixelma: no, region labels arent shared, although I tinhk I need to fix that so they can be 11.15.11 # and I dont tihnk %T(x,y,w,h, action, &long_action) is going to work too well 11.15.23 # that makes two identical definitions just one with action and the other with &action 11.16.01 # <[Saint]> and? 11.16.15 # <[Saint]> Sorry, I just don;t see why that's "wrong/bad" 11.16.35 # I find that unintuitive at best 11.16.36 # <[Saint]> I don't mean to sound how that may have done. 11.17.27 Quit fkhodkov (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.17.42 # <[Saint]> if it were the way you want...you couldn't do a seperate condition for long and short presses in the same touch area. 11.17.50 # <[Saint]> *conditions. 11.17.52 # and with the above mentioned identifier problem, I would now need two %?Tl too 11.18.57 # two separate conditions? I don't have an idea what those could be (used for) 11.20.32 # <[Saint]> well, if you wanted long and short presses to fire different viewports/images depending on playback state/whatever...even with your way you'd need to define them twice. 11.20.45 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 11.21.39 # <[Saint]> if both long and short actions were in the one %Tl line, the following condition would just fire them both, if you didn't want that, you'd need two defines anyway. 11.21.58 # yes 11.22.07 # but that doesnt mean allowing both in the one line would be bad 11.22.16 # I tihnk the %T tag is complicated enough already 11.22.24 # <[Saint]> the current method may not be 'intuitive", but it works, and is more flexible in the long run. 11.25.32 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: weren't you thinking of a "force this VP to redraw when activated" tag? 11.25.53 # <[Saint]> (that would fix the issue with the text being blacked out behind the popup after it closes) 11.26.10 # <[Saint]> ...which is a nasty bug IMO. 11.26.31 # [Saint]: viewports always fully redraw when activated 11.26.54 # <[Saint]> hmmm...so, what is causing the issue you described? 11.27.38 # your viewport display logic probably 11.27.57 # <[Saint]> errr.... 11.28.38 # %?C<%Vd(c)%Vd(d)|%Vd(a)%Vd(b)> <- that really needs to check if either popup should be enabled 11.29.04 # which is why i need to get skin vars going :p 11.29.17 # skin wars! 11.29.21 # =) 11.30.04 # <[Saint]> what do you mean by "if it should be anabled"? 11.30.12 # <[Saint]> I can check if it is or it isn't. 11.30.42 # <[Saint]> oh...wait. No I can't. 11.30.58 # right 11.31.15 # what I think is happening is both that next track AND the popyup viewports are being drawn 11.31.19 # and you are lucky with ordering 11.31.43 # with variables you'd be able to check at the start of the skin "do i want to display the popup or something else?" 11.31.54 # <[Saint]> oh, yes indeed...that is what's happening. 11.31.55 # so i need some skin codes... 11.31.59 # <[Saint]> I didn't think of that at all. 11.32.58 # we need tags for "check var value" "set var value" and possibly "increment var" and "decrement var" 11.33.02 # suggestions? 11.33.33 # <[Saint]> It used to work, and I could check for it with %Tl (the way it used to work, without a specific identifier) because if %Tl was true, the viewport *was* being displayed...but, that's not the case anymore. 11.34.03 Join pondlife [0] (~Steve@rockbox/developer/pondlife) 11.34.24 # <[Saint]> SO I could switch between the text and popup VPs easily, now I just rudely draw the popup overtop...and it "just works". 11.34.31 # <[Saint]> *So 11.34.58 # <[Saint]> Yes, yes...I see the fail there now. 11.35.10 # %vs(label, value) %?vv(label)<>, %vi(label,[max]), %vd(label, [min]) ? 11.35.15 # or something else? 11.35.32 # or do i roll the last 2 into the first one? 11.35.47 # <[Saint]> possibly, yes. 11.36.50 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 11.36.51 Quit sideral (Changing host) 11.36.51 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 11.39.06 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 11.39.25 # FS#11084 adds a touch action to change the value. I wonder if i should do that also 11.39.29 # that would even simplify things 11.39.37 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 11.39.37 Quit sideral (Changing host) 11.39.37 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 11.40.06 # no need to check for presses, just have the press increment the var and have another line set it back to 0 later 11.40.24 # oh, i need the label for "var last changed timeout" 11.43.12 # anyone? 11.43.22 # no stupid answers... 11.43.59 # <[Saint]> I suck at coming up with new tags. 11.44.29 # <[Saint]> I fail to see the correlation between dome of the current tags and their use, so..does it matter? ;) 11.44.39 # vs,vv,vl is going to be it unless i get a better option 11.44.54 # <[Saint]> sounds like a winner then. 11.46.20 # is %Vl and %vl too simlar though? 11.47.05 # <[Saint]> possibly, but it's bound to happen eventually...there's only so many tags with a two letter system. 11.50.01 # ok, the "set value" tag...any suggestions how to do "set to 1" and "increment by 1 and reset at 9"? 11.50.29 # %vs(label, set|inc|dec, 1, [max]) ? 11.51.06 # and optionally allow simply %vs(label, 1) == %vs(label, set, 1) 11.51.48 # <[Saint]> I'm still not entirely sure what this is used for. 11.53.23 # right now the only way you can enable the popup and keep it open is by checking a buynch of touch region popups 11.54.21 # what this would allow is you enable the popup if some variable is >0, all those regions would set that variable to >0 11.55.24 # then in that viewport you would explicitly set that var to 0 if nothing changed it for X seconds 11.55.27 Quit mudd1 (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.56.35 # you could (possibly) have the upcoming tracks display show only one track but allow the user to press a button to show the "next" one (by increasng the offset) 11.56.49 # with another action to start playing that track! 11.56.55 # thing of the possibilities! 11.59.14 # <[Saint]> Well, let me know if/when you have more of a play with those popups and get them behaving with the variable thing you've dreamed up so I can see it in action. 11.59.29 # this shouldnt take long to code 11.59.39 # <[Saint]> I can't really imaging the syntax or what to do with it, until it's done. 12.02.42 # <[Saint]> JdGordon1: http://pastebin.com/34nxY3Hx <-- updated, added "menu" action to titlebar, image to make that obvious to come at a later stage. 12.03.12 # <[Saint]> drop anything you play with there. 12.05.33 Join ender [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 12.05.45 # Hi JdGordon, I remember you had a strong opinion on whether the MP3 gap killer should be configurable or always-on (but I don't remember why). If that's the case, could you please chime in to FS#11891? I'd like to work towards adopting that feature... 12.06.12 # I dont remember having an opinion :) 12.06.20 # Ah that's good! :) 12.06.20 # I'm very good at coming up with one quickly though 12.06.25 # and by goarge I stand by it! 12.06.26 # Dang 12.07.56 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.07.57 Quit ender| (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12.08.11 Join leavittx_ [0] (~lev@89.221.199.187) 12.10.09 # I think it would be better to do it in a generic way but i'm not up for one of the super long discussions so feel free to ignore 12.10.59 Nick JdGordon1 is now known as JdGordon (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.11.13 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.13.22 Quit merbanan (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12.14.13 # sideral: is this *just* mp3 gap killing or any codec? 12.14.33 # it seems to me it should be in the dsp and compleyl codec agnostic 12.14.38 # JdGordon: Just MP3, to address the specific deficiency MP3 has 12.14.40 # MP3 only. 12.14.51 # I thought it should be codec agnostic well, but there are reasons that doesn't make much sense. 12.15.12 # Knowledge of track boundaries, and the fact that it relates to deficiencies in the codec itself (as sideral mentioned) 12.15.19 # a generic gap killer would be a separate feature in my view. I'd welcome a specific fix for "misencoded" mp3s (files w/o the needed LAME tags) 12.15.31 # are we talking mid track or just end/beginig of track? 12.15.31 # It can also be more "intelligent" if you're aware of MP3 frames, since it can check for whole frames of silence, etc. 12.15.41 # Beginning/end 12.16.50 # <[Saint]> I'd like to see it go in, personally. But, my opinion hardly means much ;p 12.17.00 # as long as it doesnt turn into a mid track silence removal I dont really see any reason against it always being on 12.17.09 # or on by default anyway 12.17.51 # I'm for it as long as its settings lean toward "occasionally accidentally leave unintentional silence in" rather than "occasionally accidentally delete intentional silence" 12.18.16 # JdGordon: The major reason for making it configurable, cited by gevaerts, was that he wants to avoid losing any significant audio, but could live with some additional gap 12.18.32 # Basically a purist view, which I respect 12.19.04 # JdGordon: You seemed to strongly advocate making it nonconfigurable, always-on 12.19.49 # suuuure i was :p 12.19.54 Join ender| [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 12.19.59 # I think a general "intelligent gap removal option" that turns on any codec specific additions we come up with for improved gapless (mightn't a similar thing be needed for AAC too?) that doesn't get configured, just toggled, makes sense. 12.20.46 # JdGordon: I'm glad we've convinced you :) 12.21.50 Join Ebonrook [0] (~51601685@giant.haxx.se) 12.23.23 Quit simonrvn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.23.46 # sideral: I have no problem with the feature, but the naming of it needs to be thought about. Saying "gap removal" or "silence detection" implies to me that it's removing silence or gaps that _should_ be there. This is very different to that, and something like "Guess mp3 padding" is more accurate. 12.24.04 # Llorean: If we ever implement this for another codec, in a codec-specific way, the settings probably could be combined then. 12.24.19 # Hello all, I saw on the forums that LambdaCalculus379 suggested coming on here about testing a build for the 120g 6th Gen Classic, and I wondered what that entailed? 12.24.20 # sideral: I'd be for giving it a generic name in advance, rather than renaming it later. 12.24.35 # linuxstb: I think "gapless playback" has a pretty fixed meaning, hasn't it? 12.24.44 # Rather than "MP3 gap correction" just "Gap correction" for example 12.25.01 # sideral: Your patch says "MP3 gap skip" 12.25.05 # Or even "Attempt gap correction" "yes/no" 12.25.10 # If im understanding this right I see no reason it needs to be configurable... we advertise providing gapless playback whenever possible anyway 12.25.15 # * Llorean likes "attempt" because it implies possible inaccuracy. 12.25.22 # linuxstb: It's not my patch, I'm just interested in it :) 12.25.45 # linuxstb: Yeah, I agree that "gap skip" is not perfect 12.25.52 # sideral: If you're wanting to commit it, then it becomes yours ;) 12.26.02 # JdGordon: you mean you're in favour of unconditionally dropping audio data that *should* be there? 12.26.47 # * Llorean definitely isn't for it unconditionally. 12.26.57 # * gevaerts doesn't see how people can think doing this unconditionally is even worth considering 12.27.20 # Llorean, linuxstb: Yeah, good ideas. I'll think about the wording some more. 12.27.26 # Llorean: How about referring to what is being removed as "padding", rather than "gap" ? That (to me at least) makes it clearer that something extra is being removed that shouldn't be there. 12.27.48 # "gap" could still be interpreted as the silence which is part of the track. 12.27.52 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng289.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 12.28.05 # linuxstb: "Attempt codec gap removal" is a bit long, but might get it across well? 12.28.36 # gevaerts: at the beggingn and end of the track I think the chance of a false possitive is pretty small if only the last/first frame is checked 12.28.41 # I would still make it specific to mp3 - I can't think of any other codecs where it's needed (or likely to be implemented) 12.28.42 # It might be worth throwing out "what could we name it" to the mailing list for more responses. 12.28.47 # Are we talking about actually trying to remove silence from the end of an mp3 track, or removing the loading gap between two mp3s? 12.28.56 # if there is 10s worth of silent frames then obviously it is meant to be there 12.29.09 # Ebonrook: The padding added by the encoder at start and end. 12.29.32 Quit Keripo1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.29.37 # linuxstb: AAC has LAME-like tags for gap correction. I'm not an expert, but it suggests to me a similar fix might be appropriate there, for those without the tags. 12.29.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.29.56 # I can understand wanting to get rid of that, but perhaps it shouldn't be unconditional? After all some people may prefer to leave it be. 12.30.10 # Ebonrook: That's several of ours' position. 12.30.54 # Ebonrook: the problem is not that people want the gaps that were added by the encoder. The problem is that it's *impossible* to see if the gap was added by the encoder or part of the actual audio 12.30.56 # linuxstb: I'm curious if it applies to MP2/1 as well 12.31.41 # linuxstb: If it's really something that will only ever be MP3, I'm all for making it "attempt MP3 gap correction" or "attempt MP3 padding removal" or whatever. 12.32.05 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@2001:638:504:20e0:221:70ff:fe83:655e) 12.32.07 # gevaerts: Wouldn't the encoder leave some sort of signature on the file telling us if it has or not? 12.32.19 # Ebonrook: some do, and those are handled 12.32.52 # Ebonrook: This is for "bad" encoders (or old ones) that don't for whatever reason 12.32.54 # JdGordon: Why is it important how many false positives there are? We pride ourselves on correct audio playback, so even if only one single track has actual audio dropped, that's a *bug* 12.33.10 # Ebonrook: The problem is that there are lots of MP3s that don't have the metadata. I have numerous MP3s that I commercially purchased and that don't have them 12.33.51 # gevaerts: because we talk about haveing too many settings/features often and this really seems like one which will almost never be disabled 12.34.16 # also, wouldnt you only want the gap if the next track in the album is the next track in the playlist? 12.34.20 # JdGordon: For me it's enough that purists like gevaerts want to disable it. 12.34.26 # if there is supposed to be gaps 12.34.30 # Ah I see, I take it for granted just re-encoding them wouldn't be an option. 12.34.50 # JdGordon: It's also one that's strictly speaking unnecessary (as it's not really our business trying to correct poorly encoded files automatically) so we could also save the setting by leaving it out and telling people "use better encoders if you don't want problems" 12.34.52 # Ebonrook: exactly 12.35.03 # I'm not saying we *should* do that, just that the same logic of "fewer settings" applies both ways here 12.35.52 # yeah, i don't think having a setting is sensible. 12.35.53 # sideral: does it check more than just the first/last frame? 12.36.05 # if it's not okay to have it on all the time then don't have it on 12.36.10 # er, then don't have it at all 12.36.20 # and tell people to complain at whoever encoded the track wrong 12.36.30 # sideral: No, only those frames are affected 12.36.36 # If it's going to be a setting most people never turn on, it might not be worth it? 12.36.45 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 12.37.08 # Torne: Some people don't have the option 12.37.08 # sideral: if that was to me then i really cant see how you could get a flase positive except for a really bad encoder 12.37.15 # sideral: they have the option of complaining 12.37.21 # which is what I said. :) 12.37.27 # Torne: I don't want it to remove audible and wanted (by the author gaps), those may be longer than one frame though 12.37.32 # Do we have sample tracks somewhere that show an audible gap that this removes? 12.37.36 # if the source has 5s of silence then more than just the last frame will be silent 12.38.08 # if it really only cares about the first or last frame then maybe ok 12.38.11 # Llorean: you can make them yourself trivially, rip a CD that's gapless then encode all thet racks seperately with the option that tells LAME not to emit its extra tag 12.38.26 # JdGordon: Looking at that old chat log again, it appears it wasn't actually you who was opposed to having a config option :) 12.38.36 # Torne: I don't have a CD that's gapless. :) 12.38.56 # Most of the music I listen to tends to have distinct tracks with gaps. 12.38.57 # look for something with "DJ" at the start ;) 12.39.18 # I have to go in a sec, but before I do just to re-ask; the forum sent me here to ask about 6th Gen build testing, wondered if there was an alpha/beta I can try out? 12.39.27 # Actually, I might have Dark Side of the Moon somewhere packed away 12.40.03 # i think you'll notice it on that, but it's easier with a continuous mix with a beat ;) 12.40.54 # Maybe "silence removal" should be a crossfade feature - at PCM, rather than MP3... you expect that to muck up the timing 12.40.54 # I'm just curious how significant of a fix this is. 12.40.54 # JdGordon: The problem is that you need a cut-off sample value to classify samples into silence vs nonsilence; you don't want to cut a complete frame unconditionally. And having a cutoff means that there can be false positives. 12.41.01 # Is it "gone" or just "less bad"? 12.41.38 # sideral: Didn't Saratoga suggest we could pick a cutoff value that would treat only audio that would be played back as silence anyway, as silence? 12.42.21 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.42.26 # Llorean: The gap on misencoded tracks will be gone most of the time (unless the encoder is _really_ stupid). But depending on the cut-off amplitude, it could cut a bit too much. I haven't experienced that problem yet, though 12.42.34 # Ebonrook: What's available should be in SVN I think 12.43.02 # sideral: you have to dump the whole frame? 12.43.14 # * JdGordon assumed this silence wouild be encoded as 0's 12.43.22 # Llorean: I semi-recently reencoded and my CD rips and since the MAS can't do lame tag gapless rechecked for gaps - and I found it happens more often than I thought it would that an album has some tracks gapless even if it's just one or two. It's not always very obvious but audible 12.43.26 # Llorean: SVN? Sorry... 12.43.29 # pondlife: That would be a separate feature. I don't want all silence removed, just the one added by the buggy MP3 endocing/decoding process 12.43.35 # Ebonrook: Where the source code is kept 12.44.02 # JdGordon: No, the patch only dumps the silence 12.44.03 # sideral: OK. I'd quite like a general silence removal feature - along with crossfade... 12.44.47 # JdGordon: that is, the samples classified as silence 12.45.05 # and they arent just 0's? 12.45.24 # Llorean: I don't quite follow :( 12.45.49 # JdGordon: No, unfortunately. It can be any waveform coming out of the decoder 12.46.08 # JdGordon: The patch uses a fixed amplitude as the cut-off point 12.46.35 # ok, now I'm starting to see gevaerts' point 12.46.45 # configurable and default to on then 12.46.47 Quit Ebonrook (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 12.47.05 # sideral: My understanding was that the fixed-amplitude cutoff point could be "what Rockbox plays back as silence anyway because of the precision available in the playback engine" 12.47.33 # JdGordon: Problem is, I just convinced the wrong person: it was saratoga who objected to making it configurable :) 12.47.46 # hehe 12.48.44 # JdGordon: That's why I felt it should be "err on the side of not removing things" - basically make the fixed amplitude as low as possible while still removing most silence. 12.48.46 # does it really cut away all silence no matter where in the track? 12.48.48 # sideral: I may have misunderstood him though 12.48.56 # pixelma: No. Only beginning and end frames. 12.48.59 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.49.12 # sideral: Was it ever added to check the next/prev frame for silence? 12.49.26 # As a precaution for guessing when it's intentional? 12.49.47 # but heres the thing... if the 2nd or 2nd last isnt silent then it should be obvious that the silence isnt supposed to be there 12.50.01 # so in that case the threshhold should be pretty high and no point configuring it 12.50.04 # JdGordon: No, that's when it's obvious that the silence *is* supposed to be there. 12.50.23 # If the 2nd frame, or the 2nd from last, is silent, that means that the track has intentional silence at the beginning/end 12.50.32 # thats what i said, inverted 12.50.37 # Oh, sorry 12.50.40 # I read "is silent" 12.50.57 # and even if the 2nd last frame was "silent" then removing one frame isnt noticable 12.50.59 # Yeah, basically, you can use the next-inward frames as a safety net. 12.51.06 # 0.001s out of 5s silence? 12.51.06 # Llorean: No, the patch as of now doesn't look into the neighboring frames 12.51.56 # JdGordon: Agree about checking neighboring frames 12.52.13 # would that be expensive? 12.52.13 # Is there some reason not to check neighboring frames? 12.52.18 # I cant imagine it woudl 12.52.33 # Don't think so, but I actually haven't checked. 12.52.38 # I just see it as being extra cautious about avoiding false positives, even in a situation where they wouldn't be harmful 12.53.08 # We could as well check the last sample of the first frame, and the first sample of the last frame 12.53.16 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@2001:470:8c85:11fe::c0a8:195) 12.53.36 # If the last sample is silent, assume intent? 12.53.52 # Llorean: Agree. There still can be false positives though, because the encoder/decoder-added gap could theoretically extend into the neighboring frame. But there's only so much we can do :) 12.53.57 # Because it should never be a whole frame of silence due to the encoder problem? 12.54.07 # Llorean: Yes 12.54.10 # Sounds fair to me. 12.54.31 # All I really want is "as much (sane) effort as possible to avoid false positives" (even though I'll likely keep the feature turned off) 12.54.49 # And a setting, just so people still have the option to say "don't mess with my files" 12.54.50 # seems like it should be possibly to get the chance of false positive down to almost nothing 12.55.08 # JdGordon: That's more or less how I feel too. Or at least, I *hope* it's possible. 12.55.22 # especially if the only cost here is a bit more code which is only run in 2 frames per track 12.55.44 # mp3 isnt exactly a slow decoder on any target 12.55.47 # The cut-off is still tricky. Cutting too much can be audible. 12.55.59 # Need to go offline for some time. Catch up with you later! 12.59.13 # I'd actually like a feture that could be enabled and cause a skip to the next track after x seconds of silence to jump to the next track when a shuffled playlist ends up in one of those tracks with 20 minutes of silence and then a "hidden track" at the end 13.00.25 Join merbanan [0] (~banan@c-62-220-165-78.cust.bredband2.com) 13.01.18 # that will kill any buffering that had already happened 13.01.51 # 20 minutes of buffered silence being thrown away isn't too bad.... 13.02.22 # n1s: That's the kind of thing you can/should fix when encoding. Or use an mp3 file splitter if you can't re-encode. 13.02.38 # I think it should be fixed with a splitter too 13.02.45 Join timccc [0] (~timccc@112.166.15.141) 13.03.20 # of course it can be fixed before encoding but so can these files from old weird encoders too 13.03.50 # mp3directcut (if I have the name right) should be able to handle it just fine though. 13.04.01 # ANd then this new gap removal feature can handle the rest as long as you cut it well! 13.04.04 # i don't have any mp3 files though 13.05.12 # it's a convenience feature so you don't have to fix the files and don't need to take your glove off in -20C to skip to the next track 13.06.13 # btw, these mp3 files missing lame tags could surely be prescanned and hav ethe tags added 13.07.03 # They could 13.07.14 # I suggested we should just have a plugin for it, like vbrfix 13.12.41 Join paulgeluid [0] (~paulgelui@178.103.59.85) 13.13.31 Part paulgeluid 13.14.04 # Yes. I also think that's the better way to do this 13.15.11 Join paulheu [0] (~paulgelui@178.103.59.85) 13.17.28 # As advised got freetype, but anything I need to know on installing? rb still missing ft2build.h 13.17.45 # and my linus is more rusty then I hoped..;) 13.17.48 # linux.. 13.19.22 # Which distribution are you using? 13.21.49 Quit mudd1 (Quit: Ex-Chat) 13.22.16 # ubuntu 10 13.22.29 # Install the libfreetype6-dev package 13.22.35 # got ft2, disk make 13.22.42 # ah..k 13.22.44 # tx 13.24.30 # kugel: as long as we don't actually distribute ttf fonts, do we need to always build convttf? This extra dependency makes that a bit annoying 13.27.06 # btw, is there an 'official' daily build for android? Would be willing to take that on as I do a daily for myself now ayway 13.27.30 # There isn't 13.28.05 # And having someone provide it manually isn't the right answer. We want it to be integrated in our normal build-on-commit system 13.28.24 # sofar I have done one daly and post on it in the rb as an app thread.. I'll just keep it there for now 13.28.35 # k I see 13.29.03 # figured that would happen once it gets out of 'unstable' 13.30.00 # Well, that needs to happen for it to *enter* unstable :) 13.30.17 # :^) 13.30.48 Quit leavittx_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13.30.50 # guess the resolution pathc need to get in first.. 13.31.17 # builing for every separate system would not be a good idea obv 13.31.54 # The resolution issue needs to be solved before we can declare it stable I think. 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Probably I bricked my Clip :/ 17.23.34 # Is there any possibility to unbrick it on Windows? 17.24.03 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17.24.12 # (reading logs) damn it i don't want to give users a stupid setting to decide how to work around mp3 format limitations 17.24.30 # we should either do it always or just tell users to encode their files correctly so that they dont glitch 17.27.58 # I guess not 17.28.22 # theres some wiki page, but if you couldn't find it, you're not going to like what it says 17.28.53 # saratoga: I found it. 17.33.36 # i'd make sure its actually bricked though and not just crashed 17.35.08 # OF don't want to start 17.36.33 # I tried: power 30sec, connect to computer, charge it. 17.36.43 # And I think it's bricked 17.38.33 # did you let it sit for a couple days to see if the battery runs dead and reboots it? 17.39.12 # so just wait? 17.39.54 # Last time when it was working battery was at 30% - yesterday evening. 17.42.24 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.42.38 Join antil33t [0] (antil33t@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 17.47.23 Quit earcar (Quit: bye) 17.51.04 Quit IuDeX (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 17.51.48 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 17.51.48 Quit sideral (Changing host) 17.51.48 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 17.52.56 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.05.43 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 18.06.18 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.11.32 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 18.11.32 Quit sideral (Changing host) 18.11.32 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 18.21.04 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 18.21.51 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 18.21.51 Quit sideral (Changing host) 18.21.51 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 18.26.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 18.26.21 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 18.26.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.26.44 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 18.30.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.35.29 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-214-159.98-62.inwind.it) 18.37.55 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 18.42.39 Join Stummi [0] (~Stummi@rockbox/developer/Stummi) 18.43.01 Quit sasquatch (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) 18.44.16 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FF2DE51.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.45.13 Quit Kohlrabi (Remote host closed the connection) 18.47.15 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.47.15 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 18.47.15 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.48.31 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~kohlrabi@kohlio.de) 18.50.44 Quit Kohlrabi (Remote host closed the connection) 18.52.35 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~kohlrabi@kohlio.de) 18.57.36 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 18.57.40 Join Highlander [0] (~Highlande@mek33-4-82-236-45-205.fbx.proxad.net) 19.01.29 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19.03.50 Quit t0rc (Remote host closed the connection) 19.04.55 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 19.04.55 Quit sideral (Changing host) 19.04.55 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 19.07.27 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 19.08.01 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 19.08.01 Quit sideral (Changing host) 19.08.01 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 19.08.30 Quit Highlander (Quit: Quitte) 19.09.00 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 19.09.01 Join robin0800_ [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 19.12.26 Quit Kohlrabi (Remote host closed the connection) 19.13.22 Quit user890104 () 19.15.57 Join roolku [0] (~roolku@cpc1-sgyl16-0-0-cust145.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) 19.17.04 # So who has killed my buildclients this time. ;) 19.17.42 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 19.18.00 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 19.20.07 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~kohlrabi@kohlio.de) 19.26.29 # Looks like Kugel's commit of anti-aliased fonts 19.27.02 # maybe this freetype (?) dependency, I believe gevaerts knows more about that 19.27.57 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 19.28.39 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 19.28.39 Quit sideral (Changing host) 19.28.39 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 19.30.01 # On ubuntu 10.10 I had to install libfreetype6-dev recently to compile rockbox 19.30.10 # yes, it can't find "freetype-config" - I am trying to find out what this is, but there doesn't seem to be anything about it on the wiki 19.35.32 Quit Kohlrabi (Remote host closed the connection) 19.39.01 # yum -y install freetype-devel 19.39.15 # seems to do the trick on fedora 19.42.00 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3B1BB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.45.40 Quit roolku () 19.47.53 Nick B4gd3r is now known as B4gder (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 19.48.11 Quit B4gder (Changing host) 19.48.11 Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 19.48.36 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 19.49.13 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-203-49.unitymediagroup.de) 20.05.13 Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-178-203-73-7.unitymediagroup.de) 20.28.33 # [Saint]: that TTS thing is a known issue. Seems to happen only on Windows, and only since the introduction of multithreaded voice generation. 20.28.59 # I couldn't reproduce that until recently. Now I can but I haven't figured what's the cause and how to fix that. 20.30.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.32.52 Join L-Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 20.33.10 Join IuDeX [0] (~4e83d3aa@giant.haxx.se) 20.33.33 # hey. One question. I connected my Clip now into USB. Clip dosen't work but Windows recongnizes 4mb partition. What is it? 20.34.12 # aww, it seems like you bricked it 20.34.17 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Destructor called) 20.34.30 # ;x 20.34.34 # :( 20.34.51 # Any chance to fix it? 20.35.56 # i was about to sent mine (same thing) to a developer so he could investigate the 4mb of whatever, but then it came back to corrupted live for a moment. now it is dead again 20.36.18 # the current proper fix is http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick 20.36.51 # Ok so I'lltry it tommorow 20.37.47 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 20.38.21 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng289.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 20.40.49 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 20.43.08 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.43.21 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 20.44.35 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~mshathlon@5acba089.bb.sky.com) 20.48.46 # but... 30mins ago it was normally rcognized by systeme :) 20.53.43 Join literal_ [0] (hinrik@188.40.98.140) 21.01.31 Join user890104 [0] (~Venci@6bez10.info) 21.04.11 # I guess there isn't any way how to make "hold" block any functions not releated to playback, keeping play/pause, next, previous and volume working? 21.04.31 # no 21.04.38 # <[Saint]> what makes you say that. 21.04.47 # <[Saint]> I'm sure it's possible. 21.04.56 # I suspect he means currently 21.05.01 # As that would make more sense 21.05.15 Quit Keripo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.05.20 # I have no doubt it's possible - rockbox is limited only by hardware it's being run on and developers time... :) 21.05.39 # but how hard is to make something like that? 21.05.41 # mshathlonxp: that's a contradiction 21.05.56 # On some hardware, hold is done in hardware 21.06.01 # And whether it is really possible might well depend on hardware for this 21.06.22 # does ipod's keys are being locked in hardware level? 21.06.48 # I think so, yes. 21.06.55 # that's not good... 21.07.25 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng289.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 21.07.33 # * mshathlonxp likes the way it's on PSP, where that switch simply tells software that user wants keys locked, but software can still accept some input 21.07.35 Quit IuDeX (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.08.03 # We'll tell Apple your opinion next time they ask 21.08.10 # * mshathlonxp laughs 21.10.00 # well, but there still should be way how to make rockbox ignore some inputs, however I dunno if someone would create something like that because I guess nobody has my needs :> 21.11.06 # * mshathlonxp sometimes listens music @ work, so it's preferred that ipod remains in pocket, but it may end up in some menus or anywhere else where it should not end up 21.11.08 # No, they seem quite special :) 21.11.32 Join Lear [0] (chatzilla@141.191.216.81.static.g-hn.siw.siwnet.net) 21.11.38 # I even managed to "create dynamic playlist" with all my stuff, just by trying to unpause it 21.13.20 # Some target have a software hold - toggled by holding a combination of buttons I think. Someone could implement/enable that for the ipods, although there aren't many combinations of buttons free. 21.14.33 Quit L-Strife89 (Quit: Heading out) 21.29.17 Join IuDeX [0] (~4e83d3aa@giant.haxx.se) 21.29.52 # Now my Clip started. It's recognized by system but I cannot access the clip memory., Only SD Card. So Clip is not totally bricked probably ;) 21.31.02 Quit Llorean (Quit: Leaving.) 21.31.07 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@2001:470:8c85:11fe::c0a8:195) 21.31.14 # IuDeX, did you unbrick it using the instructions, or did it somehow wake up spontaneously? 21.31.35 # haha 21.31.39 # same like me or what 21.31.43 # do you see 4 partitions? 21.32.12 # sorry, i was excited. read what you actually wrote now 21.34.19 # bertrik: Noo. It just waked up ;) 21.35.10 # u42p: No. i see 2 partitions. SD card works great. Windows autostart found on NAND audio files but now it' sthinking. 21.35.53 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p57AA738A.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.37.27 # maybe format will help 21.38.09 # IuDeX, yes, that's what I would do at this point: format it from within the original firmware (not from windows), put back an original firmware .bin file and reboot 21.38.33 # bertrik: but I think that Clip works only on computer. 21.38.59 # bertrik: Probably Clip+ will hang up when will be disconeccted 21.39.13 # oh maybe the battery is very low now, better leave it connected for a few hours then 21.39.42 # Martik USB formatter recognizes 2 partitions 21.39.49 # 1856mb - clip 21.39.54 # and card :) 21.40.12 # Try to format? 21.42.12 # or not?:> 21.49.02 Quit u42p (Quit: Leaving) 21.51.07 # New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29538): Add rockbox rpm .spec file ... 21.55.27 Quit IuDeX (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.56.04 # r29538 build result: All green 21.59.32 Quit thomasjfox (Remote host closed the connection) 22.20.02 Quit Zarggg (Quit: Zarggg) 22.23.00 # New commit by 03bluebrother (r29539): Fix cross compiling on Linux: Python uses "linux2" as platform name. 22.23.12 Join leavittx_ [0] (~lev@MS-209-111.dyn-ip.SPb.SkyLink.RU) 22.27.27 # r29539 build result: All green 22.29.11 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.30.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.30.17 Join [Saint] [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.2.157) 22.31.10 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 22.37.21 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.38.28 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 22.45.49 Quit Lear (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 4.0/20110303194838]) 23.02.23 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049075025.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.02.23 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 23.04.33 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23.17.08 Join elShoggotho [0] (~chatzilla@pool-16-47-196-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) 23.25.48 Quit elShoggotho (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303024726]) 23.29.03 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law) 23.30.00 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 23.31.51 Quit esperegu (Remote host closed the connection) 23.37.24 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.39.09 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.44.31 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.45.59 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 23.46.12 # any ld script expert around? 23.58.27 Join eleplex [0] (~4fb6fa27@giant.haxx.se) 23.58.44 # hello 23.58.55 # any body can help