--- Log for 23.03.111 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 hours and 18 minutes ago 00.01.49 Part toffe82 00.02.48 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.03.05 Join GeekShad0w [0] (~Antoine@ree79-1-78-237-225-34.fbx.proxad.net) 00.06.38 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.06.38 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.07.14 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.07.22 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.08.19 Join Suit_Of_Sables [0] (~ennui@c-71-232-78-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.09.05 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@f053152234.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.09.05 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 00.09.05 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 00.14.01 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.15.10 Quit Suit_Of_Sables (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.15.48 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.17.13 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 00.17.13 Quit sideral (Changing host) 00.17.13 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 00.19.25 Join Buganini_ [0] (~buganini@security-hole.info) 00.20.12 Quit Buganini (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.26.39 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.28.13 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@node47.seg38.ucf.edu) 00.28.21 Quit Buganini_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.28.45 Join mystica555_ [0] (~Mike@71-208-202-163.hlrn.qwest.net) 00.35.39 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 00.38.28 Join Buganini [0] (~buganini@security-hole.info) 00.41.23 Quit scromple (Quit: Gots to go get me outta here) 00.43.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.46.29 Join prprabhu [0] (~prprabhu@server.nowhere-else.org) 00.46.33 Part prprabhu 00.53.25 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 01.05.07 Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.05.31 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.14.28 # Could anyone tell me if I made a mistake submitting: FS#12025 01.14.51 # why do you tihnk you would have? 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03.02.02 # <[Saint]> every time I press a playback/shuffle/repeat touch area...volume resets to -99dB. 03.06.38 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: just something I noticed, this is with a rev immediately after your additions to playback control...I'll post the theme when I get a chance (later this evening). 03.10.10 # you sure? 03.10.13 # code looks sane 03.18.41 # <[Saint]> Oh, yeah...I'm sure. 03.19.03 # <[Saint]> I can't explain it with my code...but, I've been staring at it for a fortnight now. 03.19.24 # <[Saint]> perhaps someone else looking it over (my code) could be a good thing. 03.19.54 # it just started happening? 03.20.10 # are you sure you havnt messed up touch regions? 03.20.17 # <[Saint]> I'm out & about...and I just brought it up as I noticed it myself...I'll give a yell when I have the theme code posted somewhere. And yeah, just started. 03.20.53 # <[Saint]> and, pretty sure. 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10.48.03 # <[Saint]> it's for my resolution, but it'll run on your handset...just smaller. 10.49.09 # <[Saint]> hmmm.... pixelma: could you also have a look at http://www.datafilehost.com/download-ada3f2f0.html if you get a chance? 10.50.17 # <[Saint]> ahahahah...nevermind. 10.50.37 # <[Saint]> I've been looking at my own code too long. 10.54.32 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 10.56.59 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 10.59.19 # <[Saint]> hmmm...no. :/ 10.59.25 # [Saint]: no, been out all night, maybe in the next while 11.00.04 # <[Saint]> no rush...I thought I had it just now, thought I'd caught a stupid out of bounds mistake...but apparently mot. 11.01.29 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 11.02.04 # <[Saint]> yeah, ok...I was wrong. I am now back to having no clue why it doesn't work as expected. 11.02.05 Join sirrozha [0] (~sirrozha1@89.23.217.205) 11.03.19 # <[Saint]> symptoms are: pretty much everything (playback, ffwd, rew, shuffle, repeat) mutes playback, and ffwd/next doesn't seem to work. 11.03.39 Quit sirrozha (Client Quit) 11.04.12 # <[Saint]> (the volume and menu popups screw up still, but ignore that) 11.07.22 # this sounds very odd indeed 11.07.36 # did you get to roll back the volume changes from last week? 11.07.46 # can you test a build if i make one for you? 11.23.45 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.27.04 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p5DE5B867.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.27.12 Quit JdGordon| (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.28.19 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 11.28.19 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 11.28.19 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.41.20 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27538.msg169533.html#new 11.41.48 # is the ipod nano playing two "duplicate files" at the same time a known issue I missed or is this forum poster a loon? 11.42.08 # <[Saint]> a loon. 11.42.29 # <[Saint]> (I don't think it's even possible for the playback engine to play two files simultaniously. 11.42.34 # <[Saint]> ) 11.53.14 # soap: filesystem corruption 11.53.53 # That sounds like a fairly resilient codec playing bits that come from various files 12.02.31 Join AllenYan [0] (~allen@2001:da8:8007:4a2:ca0a:a9ff:fe31:c4b0) 12.12.29 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 12.16.36 Join casainho [0] (~chatzilla@pal-213-228-181-14.netvisao.pt) 12.17.37 Quit casainho (Client Quit) 12.17.57 Join casainho [0] (~chatzilla@pal-213-228-181-14.netvisao.pt) 12.21.28 # bertrik: re SansaAMS r250 (wiki), perhaps you can say "(no link available, ask the developers) as35xx linux patch" 12.21.31 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f4f0c.pool.mediaWays.net) 12.24.58 # forum admins: care1912 needs to be banned (spammer) 12.28.23 Join m1k3y [0] (~m1k3y@122.163.230.93) 12.28.23 Quit m1k3y (Changing host) 12.28.23 Join m1k3y [0] (~m1k3y@unaffiliated/m1k3y) 12.40.16 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 12.43.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (~vircuser@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.52.10 Quit jhMikeS (Client Quit) 12.52.22 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-99-29-196-104.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 12.52.22 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 12.52.22 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 13.10.05 Quit AllenYan (Quit: Leaving.) 13.12.58 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~msh@5acba017.bb.sky.com) 13.28.39 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.31.50 Quit jdgord_ (Quit: Bye) 13.43.54 Join wtachi [0] (~wtachi@cpe-065-190-001-228.nc.res.rr.com) 13.45.19 Quit m1k3y (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 13.55.21 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 14.01.57 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 14.02.52 Quit factor (Quit: Leaving) 14.06.38 Join MikeH__ [0] (~Mike@71-208-211-77.hlrn.qwest.net) 14.08.52 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14.11.05 Join madalu [0] (~matt@unaffiliated/madalu) 14.13.14 Join mystica555_ [0] (~Mike@71-33-152-120.hlrn.qwest.net) 14.14.42 Quit MikeH__ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 14.14.46 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.14.56 Join antil33t [0] (antil33t@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 14.19.38 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14.32.10 Join mystica555_ [0] (~Mike@71-33-151-50.hlrn.qwest.net) 14.32.14 Join evilnick_B [0] (0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 14.35.16 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.37.18 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-99-29-196-104.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 14.37.19 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 14.37.19 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 14.37.45 Join wodz|work [0] (~5f303f8a@giant.haxx.se) 14.39.32 Join bmbl [0] (~bmbl@dsl-217-166-80.pool.bitel.net) 14.39.32 Quit bmbl (Changing host) 14.39.32 Join bmbl [0] (~bmbl@unaffiliated/bmbl) 14.39.34 # Wow. Archos released android sources for their rk28xx based tablets. There are ftl driver in there. 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Who's maintaining them? 22.06.27 # i built the 3.8 source release with a patch. when i boot up my ipod with it, "Ver. unknown-110323" is displayed instead of "Ver. 3.8". Is this for a reason? 22.06.59 # sideral: all of them? Are you looking at a specific one? 22.07.22 # gevaerts: I looked at several. Right now I'm looking at the ClipV2 one 22.07.34 # * gevaerts has a look 22.08.07 # sudoman: Yes, the reason is that you're compiling a modified build from a directory that is not source-controlled 22.08.19 # It'll be the scroll speed commit yesterday 22.08.21 # I'll fix 22.08.36 # it can only be Buschel's commit yesterday I think - I suspect the \ButtonScrollUp/Sown bits 22.08.45 # Down 22.08.59 # sudoman: the version is generated by tools/version.sh 22.09.00 # sideral: hm. this wasn't a problem with the source of 3.7. should i try to check out 3.8 from svn? 22.09.43 # AlexP: the H10 manuals still seem correct so I guess that's it 22.09.55 # sudoman: It is due to how the version was generated in the build scripts this time 22.10.03 # sudoman: I did it a bit differently 22.10.28 # If you want it like last time, hack up version.sh IIRC to just return VERSION=whatever 22.10.28 # sudoman: The version generation has changed since 3.7 IIRC. In an SVN checkout, the version will look like "r12345-110323" 22.10.46 # sudoman: or do "make VERSION=myversion" 22.10.49 # AlexP: the other targets don't have a \ButtonScrollUp etc. 22.10.50 # pixelma, AlexP: it's ButtonScrollUp/Down yes. I haven't gotten further yet 22.10.56 # yes 22.11.40 Quit rodd () 22.11.41 # thanks everyone : ) 22.11.47 # maybe an \ActionStd would be appropriate but I wouldn't know which exactly and would have to check 22.12.01 # Next and prev i think 22.12.07 # It is just scrolling in lists 22.12.35 # pixelma: the button-stuff in my commit makes problems? for what builds? 22.12.55 # Buschel: Only the H10 has \ActionScrollXX so it breaks all the other manuals :) 22.13.02 # :( 22.13.04 # everything without scrollwheel or ButtonScrollUp/Down 22.13.05 # Sorry, \ButtonScrollXX 22.13.25 # as the entire section is excluded for scrollwheel targets 22.14.25 # this button configuration is weird and non-intuitive 22.14.30 # :/ 22.14.47 # Buschel: Not really, you just want to use an \ActionWhatever 22.14.58 # it's not very different to the c code 22.14.59 # These mirror source keymaps 22.15.10 # The main problem is really that manuals aren't autobuilt 22.15.17 # Whereas the \Button whatever are like the raw hardware 22.17.59 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Destructor called) 22.18.00 # so, I must use \ActionStdNext and \ActionStdPrev ? 22.18.00 # In this case, I think so 22.18.01 # I'm just test building now 22.18.36 # Buschel: Do you have a couple of minutes to discuss FS#11891 (mp3 unintended gap elision)? 22.18.40 Join milk_ [0] (~milk@94-193-93-226.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 22.18.43 # who reviewed yesterday? ;) 22.18.48 # :) 22.18.49 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 22.18.56 # Buschel: It isn't a problem 22.19.18 # The real problem is that the manual output is thrown away when they are built, so nobody notices if they break 22.19.43 # no, not really a problem. but it is inconvenient 22.20.08 # I will admit to not looking at the actual latex yesterday, just the English :) 22.20.18 # hehe 22.20.27 # the english was fine :) 22.20.32 # indeed :) 22.21.38 # sideral: of mcourse 22.21.42 # *course 22.22.18 # Buschel: I didn't quite get from your comments whether you were opposed to this approach of deleting unintended gaps from broken mp3 files in principle 22.22.44 # I'm asking because I want to see the feature in 22.22.59 # New commit by 03alex (r29636): MAke manuals build again. Non scrollwheel targets don't have \ButtonScrollXX, so use \ActionStdXX instead. 22.23.10 # I've already established consensus that it must be configurable (I think) 22.23.49 # The question for me is, should it be an on-off switch or a dial that allows users to configure the threshold 22.24.35 Quit sirrozha () 22.26.01 # sideral: I'm opposing the feature because it is a workaround that cannot have precise results. the gap detection is a rough estimation based on a threshold. 22.26.44 # Hmm.. Everyone agrees that the feature cannot be precise. I find it useful nonetheless 22.26.55 # r29636 build result: All green 22.27.14 # sideral: furthermore the feature in its current state might add audinle clicks as the waveform can be discontinuous after applying the gap detection (that could be solved) 22.28.28 # I disagree with your second point: 22.28.28 # Yes, it could introduce an artifact, but it is less severe than the artifact it elides. 22.28.40 # I'm not to keen on the idea in principle, but not enough to stand in the way 22.28.52 # sideral: *if* we would add such feature we should not allow such gap detection for mp3 only, but for all other non-gapless formats as well. 22.29.15 # Besides, this artifact is there for every lossy codec even if the track boundaries are known precisely 22.29.19 # *too 22.29.53 Join dantje [0] (~dvg@HSI-KBW-091-089-103-221.hsi2.kabelbw.de) 22.30.13 # hum, the imx23 say the 0x23 command is ERASE_GROUP_START but I can't find it in the SD spec :( 22.30.29 # any comment ? 22.30.44 # Buschel: I also disagree with your third point. The mechanism uses codec-specific information to address a codec-specific deficiency 22.31.09 # It could be implemented for other codecs as well, but not in a codec-independent fashion 22.31.14 Quit iq (Quit: Leaving) 22.31.40 # But Llorean has proposed presenting these (possible multiple) codec-specific fixes under a generic config option 22.32.15 # sideral: i have another opinion. the codec could configure whether to apply gap detection and to how many samples this should be applied 22.32.42 # sideral: similar to the DSP configuration for every codec 22.33.41 # this would require major surgery to the codec-pcm interface AFAIU: apparently the pcm driver doesn't know about track changes at all(?) 22.33.56 Quit sudoman (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.34.28 # I'd argue to do the simple and obvious implementation first, and refactor only when the need arises 22.37.52 Join scorche|sh [0] (~scorche@squisch.net) 22.39.37 # Buschel: Back to the 2nd point, I don't think it's this feature's idea to remove all inter-track clicking. If anyone wanted to implement that as a separate feature, I'd agree it warrants a codec-independent implementation 22.41.14 # Buschel: Do you know of a method that would allow more precise detection of the codec-introduced gap? 22.42.13 # sideral: this clicking might even occur in the mp3->mp3 usecase. any such gap-reduction patch should fade in and out to enforce a continuous waveform 22.43.08 Quit mystica555 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.43.43 # sideral: regarding a more precise method -> no. the waveform we see at the output of the decoder depends on the input signal (which we do not know). 22.43.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.44.38 # In my view, click removal != gap removal. Do you agree that any lossy format can have clicks between tracks even when there's no codec-introduced gap? 22.44.42 # (of course we know what libmad decoder brings in) 22.45.41 Join mystica555 [0] (~mike@71-208-207-243.hlrn.qwest.net) 22.45.55 # "gap removal should not bring in clicks" is what I meant to say 22.47.05 # maybe even "gap removal should not bring in *additional* clicks" 22.47.25 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 22.48.15 # First, the click it introduces is much less severe than the one it removes. Second, I agree that clicks could be flattened -- and that that should be done in a codec-independent fashion. 22.48.15 # But my point is that the two things are separate, and thus an isolated introduction of a gap-removal mechanism is warranted. 22.51.26 # Imo such a kludge should not be added at all 22.52.21 # however, I am not in favoir of bringing this in. *if* there should be majority willing to accept this feature this should definately be codec-independent, user configurable and switched off by default. 22.52.31 # Afaik it is not possible to detect the correct number of samples to remove if it's not explicitly included as metadata (lame tag or itunes gapless) 22.52.48 # amiconn: exactly. 22.53.14 # The reason for this is that with lossless encoding, the signal is "smeared" across the block (or sub-block?) 22.53.26 # right, this is a convenience feature for users willing to make a tradeoff. I find it extremely useful. 22.54.14 Join FBI_Guy [0] (~fbiguy@pool-96-233-107-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) 22.54.43 Quit FBI_Guy (Client Quit) 22.54.47 # * amiconn never encountered an mp3 file that wasn't either made using -ngap (which avoids the entire problem and also works for hwcodec), or had a lame tag added 22.54.53 # Forcing users to endure the click/gap introduced by the codec is a trade-off as well. I don't see why it's the better tradeoff 22.54.58 # -nogap even 22.55.35 # amiconn: I have several commercially purchased MP3s that don't have the tags 22.55.51 # That would be a reason for refund imo... 22.56.08 # (if they aren't using the other method) 22.56.09 # amiconn: AFAIU there is no way to avoid the gap except with the lame/itunes tags 22.56.39 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:beef) 22.56.42 # my notebook's battery is alarming me right now, I might be disconnected in a few minutes 22.57.04 # (just as a notice if I leave without further comment) 22.57.29 # amiconn: I'd like Rockbox to be useful and helpful. Asking users to return their music for a refund, while technically not wrong, is not helpful 22.57.33 # There is another method: Encode the adjacent tracks at once, and shift the track boundaries a few milliseconds so that the tracks only consist of complete frames (except the last one in the streak) 22.57.43 # This is what -nogap does 22.58.01 # sideral: My point is that such tracks *are* technically broken 22.58.30 # You can by no means restore the proper track length so that their is neither a gap, nor is something missing 22.58.37 # The information is just not there 22.59.05 # amiconn: you are right, but that doesn't tell anything about the usefulness of the feature 22.59.18 # * amiconn knows no audio player that tries to eliminate gaps this way 22.59.32 # What you can do (and rockbox already offers) is using crossfade 22.59.41 # amiconn: I believe both xmms and audacious2 do it 23.00.54 # No; crossfade changes the audio even more than gap removal does 23.01.03 # i thought that crossfading with a 0 second buffer == gapless.. 23.01.35 # granted i do a 'radio crossfade' where the next song comes in at full volume for 3s as the other fades out 23.01.42 # Buschel: you haven't addressed my arguments contra codec independence AFAICT? 23.01.59 # Crossfading with 0 length would just be no crossfading at all, afaiu 23.02.39 # mystica555: I don't want totally gapless playback even when there is an intended gap. I only want the audible unintended gaps introduced by the codec removed 23.02.59 # Gapless is supported in rockbox, for all formats that offer it inherently (lossless and variable block length lossy formats), as well as mp3 if the respective tags exist. 23.03.17 # * mystica555 was just commenting on the way he always did 'gapless' 23.03.56 # It doesn't add or remove anything. It just plays the tracks with the last sample of the old track and the first sample of the new one back-to-back 23.04.07 # sideral: I cannot comment on the complexity of pcm buffer rework needed for such codec independent feature 23.04.30 # sideral: I did not really evaluate this 23.04.44 # Somehow this is something that even some pc based media players are failing at, although it's quite simple (and rockbox has been supporting it since the beginning) 23.05.26 # Buschel: then why can you be so sure a codec-independent implementation is better? 23.05.48 # it's not better, it is consistent 23.06.40 # why not a general, codec-independent knob that turns on whatever codec-specific magic we may add? 23.07.44 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 23.07.48 Quit mudd1 (Client Quit) 23.07.58 # the logic for the gap reduction is the same. search an amount of samples and cut all samples before a minimum amplitude is reached 23.08.12 # why use codec specific magic? 23.09.06 # Wouldn't this also remove *intended* gaps? 23.09.15 # the codec knows best when to apply this: 1st/last frame, any only if it determines that the silence is not intentional (by looking at the frame boundaries) 23.09.46 # the codec might _call_ such generic function for the first frame 23.10.00 # still such implementation can be generic 23.10.21 # amiconn: it might remove *intended* gaps. 23.10.50 # that's why I am not a fan of such feature... 23.10.59 # Imo that would be worse than short extra gaps (which tell you to fix your files...) 23.11.17 # amiconn: Typically no, and if, then only an unnoticably small bit of it. (It's unnoticable because removing small silence from big silence doesn't produce artifacts.) 23.11.38 # Buschel: you're right, the codec can call a generic function 23.11.41 Join factor_ [0] (~factor@75.108.68.114) 23.11.54 # * amiconn knows how these short gaps sound - from playing properly lame-tagged gapless tracks on hwcodec 23.12.27 Quit factor_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.12.37 Join factor_ [0] (~factor@75.108.68.114) 23.12.45 # The idea is to check for intended silence by verifying that the entire frame is silent 23.13.00 # (need to go offline for a couple of minutes, will be back) 23.13.24 # Well, either the entire block is silent or not, as far as I understand lossy encoding 23.13.37 # There is no half-n-half 23.13.37 Quit factor_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.13.50 Join icarusfactor [0] (~factor@75.108.68.114) 23.15.06 Quit icarusfactor (Remote host closed the connection) 23.17.53 Nick MikeH__ is now known as mystica555_ (~Mike@71-208-207-243.hlrn.qwest.net) 23.18.43 # amiconn: correct for transform based lossy codecs, but not for filterbank based ones 23.19.15 # impulse response of the filterbank might be shorter than the frame lenght 23.19.25 # *length 23.20.28 # * Buschel is surprised his notebooks battery is still alive ;) 23.21.14 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 23.21.18 # ok 23.22.56 # But then mp3 is transform based 23.24.22 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 23.24.43 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.28.49 Quit dantje (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.30.21 # amiconn: according to FS#11891's OP, is patch often removes less than a full decoded frame's worth of silence 23.30.35 # s/is/his/ 23.31.20 Join MikeH__ [0] (~Mike@71-208-218-110.hlrn.qwest.net) 23.31.24 Join Mikeb0ok [0] (~mike@m442636d0.tmodns.net) 23.32.55 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.32.55 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.33.10 Nick Mikeb0ok is now known as mystica555_ (~mike@m442636d0.tmodns.net) 23.33.16 Nick MikeH__ is now known as mystica555 (~Mike@71-208-218-110.hlrn.qwest.net) 23.34.09 Quit evilnick_B (Quit: Page closed) 23.40.31 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.40.51 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 23.42.18 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 23.44.20 Join merbanan [0] (~banan@c-83-233-242-230.cust.bredband2.com) 23.48.49 Quit user890104 () 23.48.56 Join user890104 [0] (~Venci@6bez10.info) 23.53.13 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-33-150-232.hlrn.qwest.net) 23.55.04 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.56.39 Join scromple [0] (~x@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au)