--- Log for 24.03.111 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 5 hours ago 00.04.59 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 00.05.01 Join bluebroth3r [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 00.07.43 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 00.28.28 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.29.57 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.30.45 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 00.40.22 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 00.40.35 Quit timccc (Remote host closed the connection) 00.42.02 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.44.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.49.14 Quit ender` (Quit: Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. -- Henry Mencken) 01.13.58 Quit Kuitsi (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.22.48 Join timccc [0] (~timccc@112.166.15.141) 01.34.37 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.37.05 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 01.41.44 Quit komputes (Remote host closed the connection) 01.42.43 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 01.44.07 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 01.54.48 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.58.53 Join timccc [0] (~timccc@112.166.15.141) 01.58.54 Quit timccc (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.59.32 Join timccc [0] (~timccc@112.166.15.141) 02.02.59 Nick milk_ is now known as milk (~milk@94-193-93-226.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 02.32.19 # JdGordon|: On renaming the database, maybe something like "Library"? (I *really* don't like "Music" since that's likely to make people think it can't be found elsewhere) 02.33.25 # * [Saint] thinks if the function of Database isn't immediately obvious it's either a translation fail, or they shouldn't be using Rockbox...as plenty more things will daunt them later. 02.36.34 # I'd had though quite a lot about a "better" name for the Database before, back when it was Tag Cache, and I don't think there is a better name which would have any success. It can be argued (at least amongst native English speakers) that database might not be the most intuitive word for somewhere where one would find music, but w/o multi-word names I never did come up with an answer which didn't have at least as many downsides. 02.44.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.46.35 # soap: I thought a lot of programs call the sorted-by-tags-list-of-media "Library" these days 02.46.47 # To me it seems like a less computer-oriented word for basically the same thing 02.47.31 # I'll admit, I don't think I thought too hard about that one. 02.47.40 # so I'm not sure I have a good answer either way. 02.47.51 Quit JackWinter (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.48.15 # I think at the time of the change it may not have been as widespread as it seems (to me) to be now. 02.58.26 Join JackWinter [0] (~jack@vodsl-9173.vo.lu) 03.12.22 Quit krazykit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.14.23 Join krazykit [0] (~krazykit@99-126-205-52.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) 03.25.23 Join JdGord [0] (~AndChat@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 03.25.37 # amiconn: mp3 uses a transform which is fed into a filterbank, so the actual delay will be determined by both the transform and the filterbank 03.28.02 Join ScarabDrowner [0] (~AbuMaia@208.123.144.34) 03.28.52 # Just experienced an ATA Error -11 on my Clip+. I have no idea what it means, or why it happened, but booting into OF and then back into Rockbox seems to have gotten around it. 03.31.52 Quit JdGord (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.31.57 # What does it mean, so I can try to avoid doing whatever I did to cause it? I saw something mentioned about a hard drive, but the Clip+ doesn't have one that spins up. 03.31.59 Join JdGord [0] (~AndChat@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 03.45.23 Quit JdGord (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.45.39 Join JdGord [0] (~AndChat@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 03.46.31 Quit cjcopi (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.47.00 Quit t0rc (Quit: Give someone code, help them with one project. Teach someone to code, help them rule the world.) 03.50.12 Quit JdGord (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.51.44 Quit milk (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.07.45 Quit ScarabDrowner (Quit: Sayonara) 04.11.08 Join Kuitsi [0] (~Kuitsi@a88-112-187-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 04.11.39 Join cjcopi [0] (~craig@charon.craig.copi.org) 04.19.16 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 04.20.38 Quit kugel (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.31.31 # Llorean: "Music Library" would probably be the best i can tihnk of now 04.31.36 Join Barahir_ [0] (~jonathan@frnk-590f5bd4.pool.mediaWays.net) 04.32.15 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: a little nonspecific though. 04.32.30 # <[Saint]> as it isn't necessarily going to be music. 04.32.36 # <[Saint]> (podcasts etc.) 04.32.52 Quit Barahir (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.33.23 # [Saint]: sure, but anyone using podcasts will understand the distinction 04.34.03 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.34.09 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.34.12 # <[Saint]> I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO. 04.34.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.34.56 # sure, but the problem is "Database" is far more non-obvious 04.35.13 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.35.15 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.35.17 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.35.35 # <[Saint]> if you have preconcieved notions....sure. 04.35.41 # <[Saint]> that's the real problem here. 04.36.12 # the word "database" is frankly wrong anyway... db of *what*? 04.37.00 # we only accept it because 1) noone has come up with something obviously much better, 2) most of us are tech-savvy enough to not get confused, 3) we figure out what it is and the name is meaningless, 4) we dont use it 04.39.10 # hell, if podcasts are the problem I wouldnt really care if a "Podcasts" option was added to the main menu 04.39.28 # (preferably optionably hidden) 04.39.34 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.39.40 # <[Saint]> well, recordings show up too...so it could get very messy. 04.40.02 # <[Saint]> you want Recording and Recordings on the main menu? 04.40.16 # <[Saint]> (I realise you don't, just making a point) 04.41.03 # adding support for shortcut(s) and/or tagcache searches in the main menu would solve this nicely also 04.42.29 # <[Saint]> for neatnesses sake...I'd rather keep tagcache searches inside the Database (or whatever it's called in future) menu entry. 04.42.58 # <[Saint]> I'd see that as just shitting random things around the menu to fix a problem (apparent problem?) with naming. 04.43.00 # * JdGordon| is willing to bet nothing actually comes from this talk and the db will stay the db 04.43.07 # * [Saint] also 04.43.56 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.44.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.49.45 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 04.55.10 Quit mshathlonxp (Quit: sleep) 04.55.20 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 05.21.20 Part Suit_Of_Sables 05.25.05 Quit sasquatch (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) 05.27.16 Join farlepet [0] (44734982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.115.73.130) 05.28.35 Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )) 05.30.56 Quit trtr3434 () 05.31.34 Join trtr3434 [0] (~trtr3434@175.145.205.97) 05.31.39 # 14:34 <[Saint]> I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO.14:34 <[Saint]> I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO.[ 05.31.45 # sorry... 05.31.58 # ^ thats absolutly wrong.... it should be what the user expects and *not* what it actually is 05.32.31 # it *is* a database, the user doesnt care about that though 05.32.33 # <[Saint]> that seems *so* backward to me....I don’t even know where to start. 05.32.59 # the user doesnt care how it works as long as it gets them to their music in an *shudder* "itunes-style" 05.33.29 # <[Saint]> call it what people think it is, so they can carry on having their nice safety bubble with preconcieved notions of how things should behave from their previous OS. 05.33.36 # <[Saint]> why not just call it what it is? 05.33.53 # because while technically correct it is totally unhelpful 05.35.01 # <[Saint]> Really...it could be called “woopy-woopy-woop-woop”...and as long as the manual describes it...who cares right? but I don’t see the point in calling it something inaccurate just to please the masses. 05.35.19 # its not our job to reeducate the masses 05.35.37 # <[Saint]> they can click on it and *see* what it is if they want to...if they still can’t figure it out, we have extensive docs. 05.36.07 # <[Saint]> It’s just that I think “Database” is as good as it gets, without either being inaccurate, or plain wrong. 05.36.28 # <[Saint]> (or a multiword thing that reads like a book) 05.36.46 # right, but "library" has the same drawback and is less technical 05.37.22 # <[Saint]> I didn’t object to “library”. 05.37.32 # <[Saint]> it was “Music” that made that wrong. 05.38.07 # <[Saint]> Database may be vague...but it is what it is. 05.38.14 # yes, but adding that one word makes it less idiot proof 05.38.48 # <[Saint]> yeah...I’m not so sure of that. 05.39.08 # <[Saint]> I can imagine “Music Library? Ok...well where are my recordings and podcasts then?” 05.39.15 # audio library? 05.39.19 # (devils advocate) 05.39.27 # <[Saint]> much better mystica555 05.39.36 # <[Saint]> it’s the “Music” I thought was plain wrong. 05.39.40 # <[Saint]> not the Library. 05.39.52 # and with that comment i now break for the store i was supposed to go to ages ago ;) 05.40.17 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 05.44.03 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@95-90-30-123-dynip.superkabel.de) 05.44.25 # I'd still just stick with Library 05.44.53 # I'd really like to see other media types accessible through it at some point (basically, everything that shows up in "supported" file view) 05.45.18 # <[Saint]> Llorean: merge it with the filebrowser? 05.45.34 # No 05.46.02 # But, for example, there's been talk of one day being able to playlist video files. Were that possible, I'd expect them to also be findable in database so you could include music videos. 05.46.24 # that should be very doable 05.46.32 # even currently without to much effort 05.46.46 # <[Saint]> If we were to go that way...wouldn’t it just make more sense to merge the two? 05.47.00 # IIRC it relies on the get_metadata() stuff, so we just need to handle the mpeg files more sanely 05.47.03 # What would merging the two accomplish? 05.47.19 # I don't even know what you expect from a merged database filetree. 05.47.26 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF08D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.47.39 # <[Saint]> well, it seems that you just want a filebrowser with the current db capability. 05.47.46 # No. 05.48.28 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 05.48.39 # It'd never show the files as sorted by the path (unless someone put a ton of effort into the tagnavi) 05.48.58 # And I wouldn't expect it to index files that weren't supported either by core or by viewers.cfg 05.49.06 # er .config 05.49.13 # Or whatever that file's named, it's been ages since I messed with it 05.49.44 # <[Saint]> Hmmm...you just reminded me how fucked up the viewers are. 05.49.56 # <[Saint]> errr *fudged. 05.50.02 # <[Saint]> and viewer icons rather. 05.51.01 Quit farlepet (Quit: Page closed) 05.51.28 Quit Rob2223 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.01.48 Join linpaws [0] (~Swapnil@117.254.77.196) 06.29.09 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.29.31 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 06.29.31 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 06.29.31 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.32.59 Join Misan [0] (~Misanthro@p3E9BE4D1.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.34.49 Quit Llorean (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.35.09 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@99-68-45-56.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 06.35.19 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 06.35.19 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 06.36.28 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.36.59 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.40.40 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.41.19 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049145238.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.44.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.01.21 Quit simonrvn (Read error: Operation timed out) 07.01.30 Quit ved (Read error: Operation timed out) 07.01.35 Join simonrvn [0] (simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 07.01.38 Join ved [0] (ved@ddsbox.co.cc) 07.07.09 Quit ved (Read error: Operation timed out) 07.07.17 Join ved [0] (ved@ddsbox.co.cc) 07.14.14 # gosh.... how can I comment on FS? I am logged in but can´t find a button for commenting... am I missing something? 07.16.03 # at the very bottom of the page there is a "Add comment" form 07.18.07 # hi maraz , maybe I am not logged in then... but i tried to register.. to make sure and it said my name is registered already.. so next questiion: is there an extra registration for FS or is registration with rockbox enough? 07.18.30 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 07.18.33 # i mean: i am registered and logged in with rockbox 07.18.35 # does it say your name on the top of the page below the rockbox logo? 07.18.39 # (in FS) 07.18.47 # afaik there is a separate registration 07.18.54 # <[Saint]> there’s sepearte forum, and flyspray registrations, yes. 07.19.04 # ok, thank you 07.20.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FlySpray - shows a link to register with flyspray - but it seems to point to rockbox registration .... maybe therefore the confusion 07.25.03 Quit bluefoxx (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.25.18 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106485b3917092d.vs.shawcable.net) 07.27.29 # <[Saint]> Misan: Um...no. 07.27.44 # <[Saint]> The link points the Flyspray registration, as it should. 07.28.29 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4D011.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.29.04 # [Saint], i just checked... 07.29.11 # i am a bit confused 07.29.14 # <[Saint]> What is it about that registration that makes you think it’s not for FLyspray? 07.29.28 # because I don´t see any comment button 07.30.04 # <[Saint]> you won’t see a comment button on the registration page... 07.30.54 # after a login - does my name still stand on the upper left and the password in dots to its right? 07.31.25 # on the tracker i mean 07.31.43 # oh i see 07.31.43 # <[Saint]> No. 07.32.08 # <[Saint]> After you log in, you’ll no longer see the “username” and “password” fields. 07.32.09 # so I was NOT logged in, but did not see it ... now its locked for 5 minutes ;) 07.32.33 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B67EFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.37.59 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 07.38.34 # sorry for the confusion -- i had to newly register with rockbox but the tracker still had my account 07.42.25 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.43.21 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@m442636d0.tmodns.net) 07.54.49 Quit mystica555_ (Read error: No route to host) 07.56.32 Quit wtachi (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4) 08.04.53 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@71-33-150-232.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.04.54 Quit mystica555_ (Excess Flood) 08.05.10 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@71-33-150-232.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.18.42 Quit scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.32.47 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 08.32.47 Quit sideral (Changing host) 08.32.47 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 08.39.15 Join B4gder [0] (~danielx@2a00:1a28:1200:9::2) 08.39.16 Quit B4gder (Changing host) 08.39.16 Join B4gder [0] (~danielx@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.44.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.45.36 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.48.47 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.51.28 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.51.28 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 08.51.28 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.51.42 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.52.51 # <[Saint]> JdGordon|: it’s either the volume changes, or the changes to .sbs touchscreen areas messing up my themes. 08.53.28 # <[Saint]> As I just tested the theme I usually use (my personal cabbie) on a very recent .apk and it shows the exact same effects. 08.53.52 # <[Saint]> (all the touch areas seem to mute playback, can’t skip or ffwd) 08.54.36 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.54.39 # <[Saint]> well...actually that’s poor reasoning, as it’s not *necessarily* either of those two things that broke it...but those are the two I find likely. 08.55.13 # <[Saint]> It’d be more correct to say “something in the last 2 weeks messed up touchscreen control really, really badly”. 08.55.44 Quit MarkTraceur (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08.56.48 # [Saint]: ok, give me 90min or so to eat and relax and i'll investigate 08.57.10 # <[Saint]> yep, sweet...no rush. Just lettin’ you know. 08.57.22 # nag me if im at the comp and not looking at it though 08.57.23 # <[Saint]> I never expect you to pounce on such things immediately ;) 08.58.36 # <[Saint]> asides from this recent foolery, and skin vars being added and you teaching me the magic I need to get the popups working nicely...it’s pretty much finished. 08.58.54 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049145238.adsl.alicedsl.de) 08.58.58 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.00.10 # <[Saint]> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-3d397905.html is the 240x320 progress to date (updated with nice AA fonts) 09.00.35 Join MarkTraceur [0] (~marktrace@cpe-76-174-115-122.socal.res.rr.com) 09.02.41 Part linpaws 09.04.40 Join Topy [0] (~Topy44@f049145238.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.05.03 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.05.50 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.07.31 Join factor [0] (~factor@75.108.68.114) 09.08.28 Quit bertrik (Quit: :tiuQ) 09.20.37 # * gevaerts thinks that "Library" implies that it's the only place where one will find audio 09.24.05 Join tguinot [0] (~tguinot@ks22840.kimsufi.com) 09.24.21 # hola amigos 09.28.58 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.31.05 Join Guinness` [0] (Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 09.32.57 Quit Guinness (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.33.58 Quit aclonedsheep (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.34.44 Join aclonedsheep [0] (~acl@c-68-33-70-133.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 09.34.44 Quit aclonedsheep (Changing host) 09.34.44 Join aclonedsheep [0] (~acl@unaffiliated/aclonedsheep) 09.38.42 Quit Guinness` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.38.58 Join Guinness [0] (Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 09.40.34 Join aclonedsheep_ [0] (~acl@c-68-33-70-133.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 09.41.04 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF0BC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.41.29 Quit aclonedsheep (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.42.31 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09.47.12 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.47.43 # Zagor: They mention on their site that one can expect 8 hours of continuous recording from the Clip. 09.49.21 # ah, I missed that. thanks. 09.51.00 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09.52.46 Join Guest [0] (~chatzilla@dslb-088-072-217-023.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.53.37 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.53.38 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 09.53.38 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 09.55.24 Join JdGord [0] (~AndChat@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 09.57.37 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 09.59.05 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.02.54 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:beef) 10.03.31 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 10.04.00 Quit JdGord (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.10.14 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 10.10.46 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 10.11.03 # <[Saint]> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-cc192c87.html 240x320 cabbie progress 10.11.17 # <[Saint]> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-de4fa291.html 480x800 cabbie progress 10.12.06 # can you make some screenshots? 10.12.12 # <[Saint]> once skin vars (and this weird shit with messed up touch areas) is sorted out, I’ll open a flyspray task so all these can be versioned properly. 10.12.12 # saratoga: ping 10.12.44 # <[Saint]> Zagor: Does screendump on RaaA work? 10.12.48 # <[Saint]> kugel: ^ 10.13.10 # no 10.13.14 # you can use ddms 10.13.15 # <[Saint]> Ah....bugger. 10.14.05 # doesn't a uisim screenshot work 10.14.06 # ? 10.14.20 # well, it probably works the sdl app but not on android 10.14.34 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p5DF2C5DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.15.01 # sure but screenshots don't care what made them :-) 10.15.21 # (our own screendump is clearly inferior) 10.15.57 # I suggest alt+print :) 10.16.21 # <[Saint]> The best screenshot I can offer has about 50% of the elements missing as they syntax is too new for the editor, and the font is a garbled mess as AA fonts aren;t supported either ;) 10.17.06 # [Saint]: have you tried running the uisim? 10.17.54 # <[Saint]> No. I never use it as there’s no debug output anymore so it;s essentially useless to me. 10.18.19 # ...except for screenshots :-) 10.18.52 # you can do screenshots of RaaA just fine whether or not our own screendump mechanism works, no? 10.19.23 Quit Kuitsi (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.20.16 # <[Saint]> Probably...I just wondered if the RB screendump worked on RaaA or not. 10.20.51 Join Kuitsi [0] (~Kuitsi@a88-113-118-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 10.22.47 Join pamaury [0] (81680b01@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.24.16 Quit alexbobp (Read error: Operation timed out) 10.25.33 Join JdGordon [0] (7ca88630@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 10.26.42 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: I dropped 240x320 and 480x800 cabbies in the logs ~10 mins ago or so. 10.27.06 # ok, having internet issues so i'll look when things are stable :/ 10.27.15 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 10.28.39 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@ppp-70-253-69-53.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 10.29.14 Join mem_ [0] (~mem@dimension.datakon.se) 10.30.02 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 10.44.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.49.05 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 10.53.51 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 10.57.45 Quit m1k3y (Remote host closed the connection) 10.58.31 # <[Saint]> oops...I forgot to add the correct touch areas for the .sbs on the 480x800 theme. 10.59.53 Join wodz|work [0] (~5f303f8a@giant.haxx.se) 11.01.10 # Digging through flash/ftl driver from archos linux kernel source I can only say that the code is terrible (and buggy). Lots of hardcoded assumptions, unused variables and functions, global vars floating around etc. 11.02.00 # does any one know basic document describing FTL principles? 11.07.52 Join timccc [0] (~timccc@112.166.15.141) 11.20.59 Join swilde [0] (~wilde@aktaia.intevation.org) 11.24.44 # wodz|work: I don't know much about FTL but the idea is not make a flash appear as a block device 11.26.56 # because flash devices have a number of operations which are unusual for block device, like erasing. Furthermore, you usually erase several blocks at once but you write one at once iic. And you also want to avoid wear levelling so what looks linear from the block device pov it is not linear at all on the flash device. This is why you probably have to have tables and data structures in the flash 11.27.36 Quit niekie (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 11.27.36 # pamaury: I don't entirely agree 11.27.59 Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie) 11.28.09 # I'm not an expert so I might say wrong things :) 11.28.18 # which point do you disagree with ? 11.28.23 # I'd say an FTL *is* about making it appear as a block device. If you don't care about a block device and just want an efficient filesystem, I'm not sure if there is anything there called an FTL 11.28.30 # Note that I'm also not an expert :) 11.28.43 # <[Saint]> “fixed” 480x800 cabbie (fixed == playback control should be possible in the .sbs now): http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c306ff9e.html 11.29.49 # yes I agree, that's what I said isn't it ? I don't say you *have* to make a flash device appear as a block device, but as soon as you have a FTL that's precisely what you want to achieve no ? 11.30.31 # "the idea is not make a flash appear as a block device"? 11.30.39 # * gevaerts suspects a typo there then :) 11.31.03 # oh you're right, s/not/to :) 11.32.26 # Hmm that's how I understand the idea too. But this doesn't bring me closer to understand the whole thing :-) 11.34.50 Join wps_no_workie [0] (~29884d72@giant.haxx.se) 11.36.22 # Hi H140; Do I have to use the viewports thingy in my wps ?, I only wish to have ia, it, id displayed with a playback bar 11.36.59 # with %we 11.40.22 # <[Saint]> wps_no_workie: No, you don’t need to use viewports if you just want a simple .wps like that. 11.41.21 # thats a relief 11.42.01 # so this should work %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>> 11.42.40 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 11.43.00 # <[Saint]> yes. 11.43.52 # New commit by 03funman (r29637): SD AMSv2: fix r29625 ... 11.43.55 # saratoga: ^ 11.45.37 # thanks. it works 11.45.39 Quit wps_no_workie (Quit: CGI:IRC) 11.48.06 # r29637 build result: 891 errors, 6 warnings (funman committed) 11.50.55 # nice count :-) 11.51.09 # errors are not my fault i think 11.51.24 # and what rockboxdev.sh just built for me gives me loads of warnings 11.51.26 Part mem_ 11.54.16 # arm-elf-eabi gcc 4.4.4 11.54.33 # New commit by 03funman (r29638): fix warning, use unsigned variable 11.55.19 # should we blacklist atlas-godeater? 11.55.51 # let's ban godeater also, just in case 11.56.21 # i mean, at least one of the toolchains installed on it seems to be screwed up badly 11.57.07 # GodEater: ping 11.57.35 # New commit by 03gevaerts (r29639): Block atlas-godeater, there's a problem with the m68k toolchain 11.57.53 # r29638 build result: All green 11.59.21 # damn, too slow 12.01.02 # gevaerts: this kind of change is effective immediately, without someone pushing a button on the server, right? 12.01.07 # yes 12.09.57 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 12.09.58 Quit sideral (Changing host) 12.09.58 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 12.11.04 # Hi funman, Please consider backporting r29637/8 to the 3.8 branch 12.11.52 # sideral: i'll let you do it 12.12.57 # funman: :) OK, I'll do it (later) 12.13.38 # my previous commit was backported already? 12.13.47 # 29625 12.14.01 # Don't think so 12.14.28 # I know they apply on top of each other. I'll do the right thing. 12.17.19 # can anybody give me an exhaustive list of files created by the database? 12.17.35 # there's of course database_[0-9].tcd and database_idx.tcd 12.17.44 # but IIRC there are also some temporary files during commits 12.18.59 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-99-29-196-104.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 12.19.05 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 12.19.05 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 12.19.20 # ++ 12.19.21 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 12.30.59 Join kugelp [0] (~kugel@46.115.11.145) 12.31.13 Quit kugelp (Client Quit) 12.31.49 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~msh@5acd6212.bb.sky.com) 12.32.11 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc2-brig8-0-0-cust964.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 12.32.20 Join kugel2 [0] (~yaaic@46.115.11.145) 12.44.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.51.40 Quit kugel2 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.55.58 Quit pjm0616 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.01.23 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 13.06.44 Quit wodz|work (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 13.08.13 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.11.42 Join pjm0616 [0] (~user@sigfpe-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net) 13.24.22 # grml 13.24.33 # nevermind 13.39.40 Join Firefishe [0] (~kvirc@243.sub-75-221-56.myvzw.com) 13.40.19 Quit Misan (Remote host closed the connection) 13.40.49 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@124-168-134-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.40.49 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 13.40.49 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 13.41.11 # I am having trouble with my Sansa e260. 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18.04.59 # yup, 30/80 18.05.09 # or 24 while listening to the radio. ;) 18.05.20 # 80? 18.05.41 # the boosted speed is 80 18.06.32 # hm 18.06.51 # isn't stock clock 70 or 75 mhz IIRC? 18.07.05 # or it's by default underclocked? 18.07.12 # pretty sure it's 80 18.07.18 # ah 18.07.19 # ok 18.09.37 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p5DF2E4C4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.07 Join madalu [0] (~matt@unaffiliated/madalu) 18.10.08 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 18.14.27 Quit madalu (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18.17.13 Join deeice [0] (ad0d7741@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.13.119.65) 18.18.42 Join LambdaCalculus37 [0] (~3f74f70d@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37) 18.20.08 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 18.26.18 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@2001:980:34c7:0:1e6f:65ff:fe86:1e03) 18.26.24 # hi guys 18.26.46 # i just bought a sansa clip+ thingy 18.27.35 # i only just found out about rockbox and that this little device can run it :D 18.28.14 # and the fact that I can run doom on it just blows my mind 18.30.54 # really? 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19.35.45 # something like: if((card_info[drive].initialised > 0) && ((start+count) > card_info[drive].numblocks)) 19.37.18 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:beef) 19.37.18 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3B79C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.38.05 Join madalu [0] (~user@unaffiliated/madalu) 19.38.28 # So flyspray says I need to discuss my patch "FS#12027 - Add the Zipit Z2 as an build target." here to increase my chances for acceptance. Anybody want to talk about it? 19.39.29 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 19.40.08 # I can start it off by apologising for the poor grammer in the title. oops. 19.41.36 # Nice work. Not sure who decides about stuff like this though. 19.42.30 # New commit by 03Buschel (r29642): Fix FS#12024. Scroll acceleration did not work -- at least reported for iRiver H10 -- caused by too short duration for button repeat recognition. 19.44.52 # deeice, regarding the new file: use spaces instead of tabs, put your own name in the header. Also try to use static to limit the scope of variables and use const where appropriate. 19.45.55 # r29642 build result: All green 19.46.56 # bertrick: What header do you mean? 19.47.04 Quit madalu (Read error: Operation timed out) 19.47.39 # I can fix the tabs. Apparently qemacs was fooling with me. 19.48.00 # the top part of the source file with the copyright and GPL text I mean 19.48.47 # All the files I touched? Or just the new one. 19.49.32 # just the new one I think 19.50.16 # Ok, but it's not really new. I stole it from the simulator code and added a little bit. 19.51.22 # Oh, then I don't know 19.53.32 # gevaerts, Bagder, amiconn, kugelp : what do you think about FS#12027 ? 19.54.38 Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org) 19.56.02 # looks cool to me! 19.57.33 # I can't say much about the changes to firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c 19.59.05 # Apart from that, I think we need some new CONFIG_somethings, for e.g. (PLATFORM_SDL|PLATFORM_MAEMO|PLATFORM_PANDORA|PLATFORM_ZIPIT_Z2). That's getting out of hand... 19.59.17 # That probably doesn't need to be fixed by this patch though 20.00.02 # "[05:46:03] But, for example, there's been talk of one day being able to playlist video files." <- IIRC there is some sort of playlisting in mpegplayer already (it will at least play consecutive files in a directory if I'm not confusing things) but I only vaguely remember having tried shortly after it was implemented which is a while ago already 20.00.10 Quit sirrozha () 20.01.48 # hm 20.02.18 # deeice: why the #ifndef HAVE_TOUCHSCREEN inside #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == ZIPIT_Z2_PAD? 20.02.48 # Sorry, in apps/SOURCES 20.03.00 # New commit by 03Buschel (r29643): Backport r29642 to v3.8 branch. Fixes FS#12024. 20.03.27 # I could probably take it out. It's possible someone could hook up a usb mouse, though. 20.03.51 # Ah, right 20.03.53 # I have a solution to the long CONFIG lines. 20.05.15 # deeice: I would add the ZIPIT at the end in the long #if in firmware/export/config.h, to keep it near ANDROID. I think that makes it a bit more readable 20.05.23 # Oops again. The solution is in another new file that I forgot to include. firmware/export/config/zipit-z2.h 20.06.28 # I'd say we need one or two defines that describe the file io system we want to use. 20.09.06 # * gevaerts waits for kugel to comment on this 20.11.13 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 20.11.50 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 20.14.48 # deeice: One initial comment on your patch - if you're using svn, then you can just do "svn add filename.[ch]" to add new files. Then "svn diff" will create your patch, including those new files. 20.14.55 # Ok, i ammended my flyspray task with the missing zipit-z2.h config file, and some comments on how to reduce (PLATFORM_SDL|PLATFORM_MAEMO|PLATFORM_PANDORA|PLATFORM_ZIPIT_Z2) to (PLATFORM_SDL) 20.15.39 Quit kevku (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.15.43 # Does svn add work if I checked it out anonymously? I wasn't sure about that. 20.15.54 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:beef) 20.15.55 Quit Bagder (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.16.30 # deeice: Yes. 20.17.03 # deeice: I don't really agree with that solution. I don't mind adding PLATFORM_SDL to the individual platforms as such (although I'm not sure), but the actual #ifs don't guard something that's related to SDL, it's related to how filesystem access is done 20.17.30 # deeice: Also, are those changes to lcd-16bit.c required? (I admit I don't understand them...) 20.18.20 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 20.20.42 # deeice: Also, the convention is for the config file to be named the same as the modelname in configure - so zipitz2.h in your case. 20.20.52 # lcd-16bit.c wouldn't compile for me because the asm volatile section thought it was redefining the labels. I looked up asm volatile and labels and found the solution here. http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/inline_asm.html 20.21.08 # deeice: What are you using to compile Rockbox then? 20.22.39 # gcc 4.1.1 in a scratchbox vm for one zipit userland, and a recent buildroot setup for a different zipit userland. Both complained about the lcd-16bit.c file. 20.25.36 # linuxstb: I suspect you're right about the needing a different #if for the filesystem access, but I think my PLATFORM_SDL solution is a good one for SDL issues. 20.25.47 Quit [fred] (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.28.44 Join [fred] [0] (fred@ircop.efnet.at) 20.29.24 Quit scorche|sh (Changing host) 20.29.24 Join scorche|sh [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.32.19 # deeice: maybe. I'm not entirely sure because PLATFORM_SDL means more than "uses SDL" 20.33.48 # AlexP, soap: I think r43dsxb8 wants banning 20.34.24 # Maybe, but I did a search for PLATFORM_SDL and couldn't find any place where it really meant more than "uses SDL". That's when I hatched my evil plan. 20.35.04 # I can believe that it overlaps today 20.35.22 # But this is the sort of thing that can cause hard-to-fix messes later on 20.36.16 # deeice: Have you tested that lcd-16bit.c change works fine on other versions of gcc - i.e. the cross-compilers used by Rockbox for other devices? 20.36.28 # I suppose we (err you guys) could make a new one PLATFORM_SDLAPP for those cases where it means more than just "uses SDL". 20.36.44 # gevaerts: done 20.36.50 # deeice: That's already covered by the SDLAPP #define 20.37.06 # hm 20.37.14 # This needs thinking 20.37.22 # There you go. no need for PLATFORM_SDL to mean the same thing as SDLAPP 20.37.46 # I'm not really convinced by the PLATFORM_* stuff anyway. Or at least, the way it's developed is that we have a new platform for each new app target, which isn't right IMO. 20.38.06 # yes 20.38.15 # By the way the generic SDL app is woefully incomplete. There were no keymaps for plugins last time I looked. 20.40.02 # deeice: Patches welcome ;) 20.41.14 # Well I have a really big patch for SDL_PAD keymappings, but I think it's only about 80% generic. I suppose I could submit it for posterity. 20.42.08 # But I don't think I have the time to test all the keymappings. 20.43.26 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-156-129.98-62.inwind.it) 20.44.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.32 # linuxstb: I haven't tested the lcd-16bit.c change on the cross compilers. I'm not sure how to do a thorough job of that. Is there a compiler farm somewhere for that sort of thing? 20.46.50 Join darsh_s [0] (~darsh@117.211.88.42) 20.47.39 # Are there any known kernel or pthread version requirements for the sigalstack code? It was included by default but it hangs on the splash screen so I switched the zipit to sdl-threads for now. 20.56.05 Join FBI_Guy [0] (~moresuper@pool-96-233-107-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) 20.56.20 Quit FBI_Guy (Client Quit) 20.57.33 # can anyone again ~ explain how to manually [with microphone and recording software] create voice file? 20.57.34 Join faemir [0] (~tarq@109.224.138.11) 21.00.33 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.02.22 Join Lear [0] (chatzilla@141.191.216.81.static.g-hn.siw.siwnet.net) 21.02.27 # * mshathlonxp don't believes gevaerts has nothing to say 21.02.29 # ftl in archos linux sources (rk28xx) and ftl in rk27xx devices differ significantly :-( 21.03.09 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.04.08 Join FBI_Guy [0] (~fbiguy@pool-96-233-107-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) 21.04.28 # Although I think the change is in structure organization rather than in actual operation 21.11.50 # deeice: We have a distributed build system that automatically builds for all targets after every svn commit, but it's not available for general use. 21.13.43 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.14.00 Join GeekShad0w [0] (~Antoine@ree79-1-78-237-225-34.fbx.proxad.net) 21.14.37 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4ABE8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.14.48 # linuxstb: So it'd be easy for one of you guys to test if the lcd-16bit .c file builds? It won't affect anything that isn't ARM. 21.15.52 Quit slooopy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.21.59 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Destructor called) 21.22.57 # bertrik: Do you intend to backport the AMSv2 SD card init delay to the 3.8 branch, or is there some work left to be done to address this issue? 21.24.15 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-156-129.98-62.inwind.it) 21.26.49 # sideral, on second thought, I'd rather wait a bit, I'm thinking of removing the piece of code that has the delay entirely. 21.27.05 # OK 21.27.09 # It's only half an implementation of sd card high speed mode. 21.27.33 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 21.27.34 # The card is switched into high speed mode, but the sd controller will need more work to also use high speed 21.27.43 # I thought it would make a good quick fix for a maintenance release 21.27.56 # so, just switching the card into high speed mode does basically nothing yet 21.28.19 # maybe even increase current consumption unnecessarily 21.28.24 Part WalkGood 21.28.34 # Do you think high-speed mode has any advantages on the AMSv2 platforms? 21.29.07 # OK, DB generation may be somewhat quicker -- and once we enable USB, that may be faster as well 21.29.34 # But Rockbox itself doesn't require a lot of bandwidth I reckon 21.31.31 # as far as I understand, AMSv1 uses 1-bit mode in high speed (double), AMSv2 uses 4-bit with normal speed 21.31.57 # so AMSv2 is already faster (4 bit, 25 MHz clock ->12.5 MB/s max) 21.32.38 # oh, 24 MHz on AMSv2, so 12 MB/s max 21.34.34 # deeice: Yes, or you would just need to install the Rockbox ARM cross-compiler. If you intend to work on Rockbox more, that would be useful, so you can test you don't break any other targets with your changes. 21.37.24 # So it doesn't matter what platform I install the Rockbox ARM compiler on? I think I had one installed somewhere for the nano 2g, but I suspect it's out of date now. 21.38.11 # deeice, linux is a good platform for the compilers we use for rockbox 21.38.33 # I think rockbox can be built on cygwin too, but extremely slowly 21.38.49 Quit bmbl (Quit: Verlassend) 21.40.42 # ok. I'll grab the linux ARM cross-compiler. I should probably try to use it instead of the buildroot compiler anyhow. 21.41.07 # Building Rockbox with Cygwin works just fine, even if it is slow. 21.52.54 Quit Rob2223 (Quit: Rob2223) 21.56.35 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 22.03.07 Part deeice 22.04.34 # gevaerts hallo! 22.05.49 # yes? 22.06.36 # IIRC you are the one who said that he had recorded voice file by himself, or am I mistaking you for someone else? 22.06.39 # no 22.07.12 # no what - you dunno nothing about voice files or what? 22.07.46 # No, I haven't recorded a voice file since the last time you asked me 22.08.05 # but in past? 22.08.15 # The last time my answer was also no 22.08.30 # damn 22.08.53 # And my answer isn't going to change the next time you ask 22.11.02 Quit darsh_s (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.16.50 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF0BC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.23.15 Quit FBI_Guy (Quit: leaving) 22.23.44 Join FBI_Guy [0] (~fbiguy@pool-96-233-107-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) 22.28.01 # yay, Rockbox Utility converted to QuaZip :) 22.28.31 # <[Saint]> \0/ 22.28.54 # <[Saint]> It really makes me wonder how many of the ~10K people that downloaded my theme actually got it in the end... :/ 22.35.18 Join TheLemonMan_ [0] (~lem0n@ppp-156-129.98-62.inwind.it) 22.35.18 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.) 22.36.26 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Destructor called) 22.36.28 Quit TheLemonMan_ (Client Quit) 22.37.20 Join darsh_s [0] (~darsh@117.211.88.42) 22.37.27 Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.) 22.37.36 # rasher are you here? 22.44.25 Quit Lear (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 22.44.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.51.29 # I think I'll put my ideas about ipod accessory support for nano2g on the summer of code wiki 22.56.39 Quit esperegu (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.02.45 Join madalu [0] (~user@unaffiliated/madalu) 23.05.49 Quit FBI_Guy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.07.39 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.09.55 Quit madalu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.11.19 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 23.11.56 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.20.37 Quit evilnick_B (Quit: Page closed) 23.20.58 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.23.57 Quit ender` (Quit: If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon execution. -- Robert Sewell) 23.28.28 Quit kevku (Remote host closed the connection) 23.29.42 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@SEAS082.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) 23.34.26 Quit Keripo (Client Quit) 23.34.51 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@SEAS082.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) 23.35.47 Quit Keripo (Client Quit) 23.38.48 Join scromple [0] (~x@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au) 23.44.00 Part domonoky 23.45.45 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 23.49.18 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection)