--- Log for 02.05.111 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.27 # Llorean: I still don't agree with loss of functionality. multimedia buttons to unconditionally control playback adds convinience in my book 00.00.43 # Convenience as the cost of the ability of a remote like http://www.best-ipod-online.com/images/apple-ipod-remote.jpg to change playlists, ever. 00.01.09 # So you're willing to sacrifice some users' ability to actually *do* things at all, so that other users can do it *slightly* more conveniently 00.01.28 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.01.30 # yes, *if* and only *if* those buttons can get distinguished from the normal ones 00.01.39 # you need to look onto the screen to interact with playlists, no? in that case you can use the ipod itself 00.01.50 # With a remote like the one I linked, there's *no* reason why you shouldn't be able to access anything in core Rockbox. 00.01.55 # kugel: VOICE UI. 00.01.59 # How many times do I have to say that to you? 00.02.01 # Or are you just ignoring it? 00.02.22 # I don't think that's the case though but haven't checked 00.02.27 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 00.02.28 # I didn't see it before 00.02.37 # kugel: That is literally the third time I mentioned it. 00.02.44 # I didn't see it before 00.02.44 # Not to mention, you know it exists. 00.03.05 # If I'm in the car, using the controls on my steering wheel, it's *vastly* safer for me to browse through playlists via the voice UI than to pick up the iPod and look at the screen 00.03.16 # You want to take that option away entirely in favor of a *slight* added convenience. 00.03.35 # Which is "the ability to do things in the menu rather than having to press play first, then do them" 00.03.35 # ok, I see that. 00.03.38 # It saves *one* button press 00.03.43 # Literally, in most cases. 00.03.54 # Two if we assume they're going to leave the WPS to resume what they're doing after. 00.04.28 # And in the hypothetical case of the user who doesn't have voice, so will need to get up anyway, they should never leave the WPS in the first place. So your "multimedia buttons" will always do "multimedia things" for that user anyway 00.04.46 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 00.04.47 # So I'm not sure the benefit of having them work in the menu with the remote in the first place. 00.05.06 # As I said though, I'm all for it *if* we can distinguish 'minimal' remotes from 'full featured' ones somehow 00.05.44 # as I said before: such extra buttons are nice if they can be distinguished from the "normal set" of buttons 00.05.55 # * bluebroth3r slow 00.06.49 # bluebroth3r: The problem is, the normal set of buttons are Play, Next, Prev, Vol+, and Vol- probably. The extras are the "navigation buttons", yet in the presence of such buttons it's the buttons that are always there that we'd want to change. 00.07.01 # So not just distinguishing the buttons is the problem, but knowing they're present in the first place 00.08.48 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.14.28 # I asked this last night but nobody was around. 00.14.37 # Is there a reason there doesn't seem to be "pause on headphone unplug" on RaaA? 00.14.55 # Or, RaaA android, specifically 00.15.46 Quit FoH (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.17.10 # Llorean: well, yes. Basically iap would need to support "play" and "always-play" as saparate buttons 00.19.16 # * bluebroth3r guesses it's simply that nobody implemented headphone detection on Android 00.19.35 Join FoH [0] (~foh@adsl-98-83-123-68.bhm.bellsouth.net) 00.20.43 # bluebroth3r: Ah, I was just wondering if it was that or if there might be a technical reason. 00.20.53 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.21.04 # * Llorean really enjoys leaving audible running and depending on headphone detection to know when I want to continue listening to my book. 00.22.35 # I've missed that feature myself already. Too much things to do for the available amount of free time ... 00.25.17 Join saratoga_ [0] (600afc5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.10.252.95) 00.25.30 # whats holding up getting Android builds working with the build system? 00.25.32 # I never really used it much on other MP3 players I've had. 00.25.57 # I could usually press the button fine, but pausing on android requires unlocking the screen and generally more handling. 00.26.28 Quit bertrik (Quit: :tiuQ) 00.27.06 # Has there been any discussion of how to address the lack of long presses on the widget? 00.27.35 # Perhaps seek buttons that toggle seek on/off? Or perhaps being able to set a skip length exclusively for use on the widget, so that one can skip forward/back 30 seconds at a time on the widget, but not have to remember to turn that off when using the normal WPS? 00.33.17 Quit ender` (Quit: If I had only finished this sentence,) 00.34.28 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.35.24 Quit saratoga_ (Quit: Page closed) 00.55.23 Join Keripo1 [0] (~Keripo@dhcp0101.kin.resnet.group.upenn.edu) 00.58.05 Quit Keripo (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.17.47 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 01.20.30 Quit Jerom1 (Quit: Leaving.) 01.23.09 Quit simonlnu (Quit: bbialw) 01.23.17 Quit DerPapst1 (Quit: Leaving.) 01.24.30 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 01.29.00 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 01.30.03 Quit silbo (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.34.17 Join Topy [0] (~Topy44@f049104054.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.38.12 Quit T44 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.59.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.10.07 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng319.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 02.12.05 Quit Keripo1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.26.39 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.29.20 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049104054.adsl.alicedsl.de) 02.30.35 Quit Topy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.45.24 Quit Beta2K (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.47.18 Join Beta2K [0] (~Beta2K@d24-36-131-14.home1.cgocable.net) 03.04.36 Join GodEater_ [0] (~bibble@5ac83e93.bb.sky.com) 03.04.36 Quit GodEater_ (Changing host) 03.04.36 Join GodEater_ [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 03.07.10 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.16.05 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@97-114-224-157.sxcy.qwest.net) 03.16.05 Quit advcomp2019 (Changing host) 03.16.05 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 03.23.56 Join Derreck [0] (~Derreck@c-71-207-10-20.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 03.29.21 Join simonlnu [0] (simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 03.44.35 Join mystica555 [0] (~mike@71-33-152-71.hlrn.qwest.net) 03.50.11 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-99-150-163-230.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 03.50.11 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 03.50.11 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.53.33 Quit Derreck (Quit: Leaving) 03.58.05 Quit bieber (Remote host closed the connection) 03.59.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.00.11 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) 04.05.07 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.05.59 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 04.06.07 Join [7] [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.06.35 Join Strife89-iBook [0] (~Strife89@168.16.226.187) 04.15.18 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.15.19 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.15.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.16.15 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-188-223.msk1cmtc01.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 04.16.17 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.16.19 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.16.21 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.21.12 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 04.31.58 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 04.34.05 Quit kugel (Read error: Operation timed out) 05.09.47 Quit CaptainKewl (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 05.17.38 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p5DE4B2D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.17.47 Quit Strife89-iBook (Quit: Leaving) 05.20.15 Quit Rob2223 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.35.02 Quit Ijon_Tichy (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) 05.47.32 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 05.49.27 Join coden [0] (~b22d00d8@giant.haxx.se) 05.49.31 # hi 05.50.34 # Who can patch Rockbox to save a listen track's position when the player shuts down because of an empty battery, or make it a bookmark at this moment? It should be useful for listening long audiobooks. 05.51.09 # Model of player Sansa Clip + 05.51.56 # that already happens if possible 05.59.00 # saratoga, how to adjust 05.59.05 # ? 05.59.08 # ? 05.59.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.00.45 # At me last version Rockbox 06.01.12 # There it is impossible 06.03.21 # did it used to work for you? 06.04.11 # Yes 06.09.10 # you're right, just tried pulling the battery and it doesn't resume 06.09.57 # although actually thats different then low battery 06.10.05 # since that should still shutdown and save state 06.10.58 # not sure how to test that short of running the battery down 06.11.59 # coden: Do you have 'bookmark on stop' enabled? 06.12.25 # Llorean, yes 06.12.36 # Does it bookmark when you manually stop? 06.13.11 # Yes 06.13.49 # Then the battery may just be dying at a higher level than Rockbox expects it to, so that there's not a chance to write the bookmark. 06.17.13 # It is necessary that Rockbox to save a listen track's position when the player shuts down because of an empty battery, or make it a bookmark at this moment 06.17.30 # if you get the "low battery" shutdown message then it should have made a bookmark if I understand that code correctly 06.17.34 Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes) 06.17.54 # if it just hard powers off, then nothing gets written to storage 06.18.18 # saratoga yes 06.18.35 # if it just hard powers off, then save 06.18.46 # well thats not possible 06.18.53 # Sometimes it doesn't power off, but rather runs out of power while still on. Then it may fail to save. 06.19.10 # looking at the code it doesn't write the bookmark if the battery is below a certain threshold, that actually might not be needed on flash devices 06.20.08 # saratoga: Probably not, since there's no spinup needed. 06.22.40 # ha it writes the scrobbler log regardless 06.22.47 # so i guess if thats safe, writing out the resume info should be fine too 06.24.20 # ah no it doesn't 06.24.26 # i misread 06.29.05 # i wonder how useful this is though, i thought we shut down before the battery reached critical levels anyway 06.29.22 # although maybe if your battery is very old they both happen at about the same time 06.30.36 # old battery 06.31.10 # necessary to trace charge level 06.31.51 # And to keep a bookmark before deenergizing 06.33.19 # difficult to make it? 06.38.07 # Why developers have not provided it 06.39.40 # They have, but we're having a hard time explaining it to you due to language difficulties. 06.40.10 # Rockbox already saves playback position when shutting down, unless your battery is too old for it to be able to do it reliably, or unless there is a bug. 06.43.41 # understand, thanks 06.44.02 Quit coden (Quit: CGI:IRC) 07.07.05 # is our forum software not DST aware in the time offset setting? 07.07.29 # hmm, or maybe there is a location setting 07.11.14 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 07.20.49 Join Peddy [0] (~apc@unaffiliated/peddy) 07.21.19 # while doing sansaams recovery by bridging two pads, should the sansa logo appear when i plug usb in? 07.21.30 # i.e., does the sansa logo appear when it's entering recovery mode? 07.29.16 # Peddy: no, when you bridge the pads, you disable all the sandisk code on the system 07.29.32 # i've never done it, but i doubt much shows up on the screen 07.33.10 # saratoga, thank you. i was soldering incorrectly, apparently. heh, I'm repairing an old fuze (its LCD connection is broken) and going to put a 'headless' rockboxed fuze inside a shower radio 07.33.13 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 07.59.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.10.36 # B4gder: would it be possible to raise the flyspray file limit from 2MB to 4-5MB so that its easier for people to report files that crash rockbox? 08.11.06 Quit Judas_PhD (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.12.18 Join mystica555 [0] (~mike@71-33-152-71.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.13.03 Quit antil33t () 08.21.13 Quit Peddy (Quit: Leaving) 08.22.37 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@wlan-nat-24.fh-friedberg.de) 08.24.17 # Buschel: maybe close FS#12046? 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10.20.49 # how to reproduce? 10.21.32 # FS#12088 10.23.31 # Reduce warnings? 10.24.02 # ah, sorry 12065 10.27.25 # gdb is being weird though, it often cannot step through a function or find vars in the context 10.28.29 # well……i never use gdb...... 10.32.34 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.32.40 # have tried in d2 simulator, seems no error? 10.40.02 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.41.34 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 10.42.21 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 10.46.25 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FF2DCD1.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.53.55 Join [Saint] [0] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 10.57.59 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-188-223.msk1cmtc01.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 10.58.27 Join DerPapst1 [0] (~Alexander@wlan-nat-24.fh-friedberg.de) 10.59.53 Quit DerPapst (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.01.46 Part LinusN 11.01.54 Quit JoshuaChang (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.2pre/20110429182132]) 11.05.51 Join JoshuaChang [0] (~joshuacha@222.70.142.35) 11.18.01 Quit DerPapst1 (Quit: Leaving.) 11.42.31 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 11.44.45 Quit [Saint] (Quit: I'm only going to Heaven if it feels like Hell, I'm only going to Heaven if it tastes like caramel...) 11.51.24 Join [Saint] [0] (~St.]@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 11.59.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.05.25 Quit user890104 () 12.20.19 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@wlan-nat-24.fh-friedberg.de) 12.21.58 Join Peddy [0] (~apc@unaffiliated/peddy) 12.22.30 # is it possible, on a hardware level, to pause music when headphones are unplugged? 12.24.23 # is it hardware-dependent? 12.25.50 # <[Saint]> I should think that depends on the hardware. 12.26.31 # I think so too (which explains why my Fuze doesn't have the setting, but iPods apparently do). Pity. 12.26.50 # <[Saint]> Devices that are capable of this already have this setting. 12.27.10 # <[Saint]> So, if it's missing it either can't be done, or hasn't been done. 12.27.28 # <[Saint]> which of those two it is, though, I'm unsure. 12.27.29 # Ah, thanks. Do you have any idea how the hardware physically achieves this? 12.29.19 # ah, it measures impedence! thanks google, thanks [Saint]. 12.33.18 # [Saint]: not all hardware physically capable has the setting. In some cases it's not enabled yet. 12.34.02 # <[Saint]> that's kinda what I meant by "or hasn't been done", though...I hope you and I mean the same thing. 12.34.14 # Oh, yeah 12.34.20 # Somehow I read right through that without seeing it. Sorry 12.34.21 # <[Saint]> 'twould be pretty sily if it were possible, and the code just sitting there, and it not enabled. 12.34.47 # <[Saint]> No worries, just making sure we were on the same page. 12.34.53 # yup 12.49.49 # compile target error, need help: 12.49.51 # /usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: /cygdrive 12.49.52 # /f/rockbox/rb_wdhge/d2p/rockbox.elf section `.iram' will not fit in region `SRAM 12.49.53 # ' 12.49.55 # /usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: region `S 12.49.56 # RAM' overflowed by 111424 bytes 12.50.10 # in simulator build, it's ok 12.52.11 Quit Peddy (Quit: Leaving) 12.54.15 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 12.54.22 # <[Saint]> JoshuaChang: Expand the IRAm to accomodate. 12.54.25 # <[Saint]> *IRAM 12.55.13 # <[Saint]> oh, I read that wrong 12.55.20 # does iramsize related to hardware? 12.55.50 # <[Saint]> I read it wrong, I read IRAM...no idea what you did to overflow SRAM. 12.56.18 # i wrote a reverb effect, it's delayline eat about 120000bytes memory 12.56.43 # <[Saint]> what target is this? 12.56.54 # cowon d2+ 12.59.29 # <[Saint]> does that still use the TCC780x CPU? 13.00.38 # <[Saint]> if I'm right, it should be sufficient to increase the SRAM size in firmware/target/arm/tcc780x/apps.lds 13.02.50 # <[Saint]> Aha, yes...yes, that should work. 13.03.37 Quit plux (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.06.24 # i think the sram was related to hardware? 13.06.24 # i've searched that the tcc7801 only have 96k onchip sram 13.07.28 # that's mean, although i have all the sram in hand, i still didn't have enough memory to run the reverb 13.07.28 # You can't magically add RAM like that... 13.07.29 Part LinusN 13.08.34 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: No, I realise that...but I should have looked at the amount it overflowed by. 13.09.15 # i have deleted the IDATA_ATTR in my struct definition, now it can build, maybe it will affect the speed... 13.09.52 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 13.10.14 # Well, it won't really affect the speed, since it won't even run with IDATA_ATTR :) 13.11.38 # what does the iram exactly mean? 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(only shown somewhere in the debug menu / shown nowhere at all, configured by editing config.cfg) 18.33.12 # No, I don't think so. 18.34.36 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.36.26 # Don't we use -Wall ? 18.36.43 # (and then disable a few specific things) 18.36.56 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.37.13 # I thought the unused variable warning was added in 4.6 only, but that doesn't seem to be the case 18.37.52 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 18.38.48 # Saint: You're the only other database user in this chat, aren't you? ;) 18.39.17 # <[Saint]> One of the very few, yes. 18.39.20 # <[Saint]> Howcome? 18.39.26 Join Jerom1 [0] (~jerome@95.171.148.84) 18.39.31 # sideral, I use the database, but I usually just browse by Album Artist and do nothing other fancy 18.39.44 # Do you guys have any opinion on FS#12054 -- Highlight each album's last-played track in database views? 18.40.18 # <[Saint]> I was just considering chucking it in my RaaA tree earlier :) 18.40.39 # <[Saint]> I have no strong opinion about it as yet, having not reviewed it properly. 18.41.17 # Saint: OK, I'd be interested in your review once you've played with it a bit :) 18.41.24 # <[Saint]> sideral: Am I to understand that this is completely seperate from "Follow Playlist"? 18.41.42 # <[Saint]> I kinda see it as an extension of that. 18.42.03 # Yes, it is. It's meant for audiobooks, so that the right chapter is selected next time you browse an interrupted audiobook 18.42.54 # but it does its thing for each DB view displaying tracks (typically album views) 18.43.42 # Something to review for you: I wonder whether it should be the default or needs to be more configurable 18.44.29 # <[Saint]> It needs to be configurable, I'd like to see it integrated with the follow playlist setting. 18.44.50 # <[Saint]> well, when *I* say "needs", it obviously means very little ;) 18.45.10 # Follow playlist is an inter-album thing, isn't it? I've never used it so far 18.46.34 # <[Saint]> I don't have a target handy, so I might miss some things it does, but it drops you back to the dir that playback was launched from in the filebrowser if it's selected. 18.46.58 # <[Saint]> with the selector at the last played track. 18.47.32 # <[Saint]> That's why I see the two as being very similar...but, the needn't be joined at the hip. 18.47.37 # <[Saint]> *they 18.48.03 # Ah, interesting. I need to play with it. Anyway, this feature provides a per-album resume point for browsing, not just one global resume point 18.48.35 Join u42p [0] (~v35b@d081191.adsl.hansenet.de) 18.49.17 # <[Saint]> Right, so that is quite different. the fact that it's per album. 18.50.37 # <[Saint]> Right, yeah...so it's not as similar to Follow Playlist as I suspected. But it should be configurable. 18.51.29 # Globally, or per directory hierarchy, or in tagnavi.config? 18.52.20 # <[Saint]> Globally IMO, just "on/off, yes/no, whatever" 18.53.55 # You wouldn't mind this feature highlighting the last-played track in a music album? 18.54.48 # <[Saint]> Not particularly, I don't think the media type has too much effect on its use. 18.55.20 # <[Saint]> It could be useful for video too if/when the DB can catalogue this also. 18.55.47 # * [Saint] is thinking big :P 18.56.09 # OK, thanks for your comments, and I'm looking forward to any comments you have after playing with it! 18.56.16 # Another DB-related question: Does anyone remember the rationale for DB track resurrection allowing resurrection for tracks that have both been renamed and retagged (in one of their {album,artist,title} tags)? 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mode, that: 19.43.22 # <[7]> - removes USB current limits 19.43.33 # <[7]> - powers down USB data circuitry (OTG/PHY) 19.43.40 # <[7]> - disables charging (if possible) 19.43.54 # saratoga: I thought it's only shown to users that have logged in 19.43.57 # ? 19.44.21 # yeah, but i'd still rather people who have problems ask in IRC then email me at work 19.45.28 # use your spare-time email address then? 19.45.52 # well i like getting notification emails in general 19.46.12 # use a forwarding filter at your spare-time email address? 19.50.28 Join Stummi [0] (~Stummi@rockbox/developer/Stummi) 19.53.51 # i wonder if people will eventually begin using those cortex M processors in mp3 players 19.56.54 # [Saint]: do you use a touchscreen WPS that has *fwd or *rew touch region actions with your apk? 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Sorry for the false alarm 20.02.47 # (and *rwd but that was correct, just lost one f while deleting the & from the &ffwd ;) ) 20.03.34 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3B01E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.04.41 # Horscht: default should be 400 mAh (=30 GB model). the battery capacity of the 60 GB model is 600 mAh 20.05.12 # 60Gb is 5G, but I assume the 80Gb 5.5G would have the same as the 60? 20.05.27 # yes, 60/80 is the same 20.05.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@adsl-99-150-163-230.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) 20.05.44 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 20.05.44 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.06.13 # ah, it's set to 400 by default 20.06.18 # so I had to up it to 600 20.06.22 # thanks Buschel 20.06.36 # you're welcome 20.06.54 # * gevaerts still has to fix that... 20.06.54 # <[Saint]> doe sthat setting actually *do* anything? 20.06.59 # I had a hard time finding that answer on google 20.07.02 # <[Saint]> It's just for runtime estimation no? 20.07.11 # [Saint]: yes, that's all 20.07.11 # [Saint], it improves the battery estimation, yes 20.09.48 # ah, the manual is where it's hidden :D 20.10.14 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@128.135.100.102) 20.16.35 Quit ArtemGotin (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.28.45 # surprise ;) 20.29.53 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.35.46 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.35.55 Join antil33t [0] (antil33t@124-197-51-80.callplus.net.nz) 20.36.22 # [7]: there could still be the hidden horizontal scroll setting that you can only set via cfg file but I don't know if it still exists and how it is called exactly - I believe something with "lrscoll" in it though longer and I'm not sure at all). I actually didn't want to advertise that one because I don't like it though 20.37.32 Quit simonlnu (Remote host closed the connection) 20.37.36 Quit L-Strife89 (Quit: Heading out) 20.44.40 # <[Saint]> pixelma: Isn't that "hidden" .cfg setting exposed if you dump the config through "Manage Settings"? 20.45.25 # <[Saint]> iirc, that doesn't just list config settings that have changed, but all settings. 20.47.18 # I'm confused, only one key of the fuze+ seems to wired to a GPIO or I'm missing something :-/ 20.49.13 # maybe they've got some stupid other way of reading pins like on the Fuze 20.49.30 # where half of them are driven by one of the LCD bus pins 20.49.37 Quit bimbel (Quit: Verlassend) 20.50.04 # I don't know, I'll have to reverse engineer the OF :( 20.52.52 # [Saint]: indeed it is. The setting is called... hold_lr_for_scroll_in_lists 20.53.56 # pamaury, I thought the fuze+ used some touch keys, so I guess you can poll some bitmap from the touch key controller 20.56.09 # bertrik: the touch keys do not concern the power button and volume up/down 20.56.18 # defaults to on and IIRC one reason to make it settable was that it interfered with the Ondio buttonmap as this one doesn't have a Select button so uses holding right for context menu (way more important than forcing horizontal scroll) but I also seem to remember that the setting itself also didn't work correctly and so the buttonmap problem was solved differently by assigning a combo for the scrolling 20.57.16 # <[Saint]> what's the reasoning for hiding it? 20.57.30 # <[Saint]> it's something I always turn off as I don't see the point. 20.58.01 # I don't remember 20.58.33 # as I said, I don't like hidden settings at all 20.58.56 # <[Saint]> Nor I, especially if no one can remember a good reson for it being this way ;) 21.00.06 Join markun_ [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 21.02.07 Quit markun (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.03.02 Join Luca_S [0] (~5d925b73@giant.haxx.se) 21.03.13 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 21.10.21 Quit u42p (Quit: Leaving) 21.16.22 Quit markun_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.21.14 Join simonlnu [0] (simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 21.24.34 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21.30.29 Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.31.30 Quit guymann (Quit: brb) 21.42.36 Join markun [0] (~markun@ip503cd9a5.speed.planet.nl) 21.42.37 Quit markun (Changing host) 21.42.37 Join markun [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 21.43.16 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.44.12 Quit stripwax (Client Quit) 21.44.35 Join guymann [0] (~charles@66-159-172-85.adsl.snet.net) 21.44.51 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.46.21 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 21.55.23 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@128.135.100.102) 21.59.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.03.16 Quit Jerom1 (Quit: Leaving.) 22.05.50 # woah, \tblhdrstrut? 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The results were mixed. 22.19.34 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~roxor@5e037b20.bb.sky.com) 22.20.06 # basically USB on startup was starting correctly but in general it was less stable 22.20.21 # at least for the connect-disconect-connect-disconnect-... test I did 22.20.34 # jhMikeS: my experience sound similar to what was reported on the mailing list 22.26.19 # <[Saint]> bluebroth3r: Snap. 22.26.27 # bluebroth3r: oh, less stable how? 22.26.43 # <[Saint]> Similar expierence here, plug-in-ou-in-out doesn't pick up the device every time. 22.27.01 # <[Saint]> it's about 50% fail rate on WIn XP here 22.27.08 # and was that with the v3 patch? 22.27.12 # <[Saint]> n1s: ^ 22.28.02 # <[Saint]> Yeppers. 22.28.06 # does it hang or just not work? 22.28.19 # <[Saint]> Just had to check, I grabbed the last from the task but didn't remember a version number. 22.28.35 # <[Saint]> For me, it just doesn't work. 22.28.46 # <[Saint]> The device acts as though nothing has happened at all. 22.28.54 # <[Saint]> It doesn't even seem to want to charge. 22.29.23 # <[Saint]> If I plug it in once every minute or so, it seems to be a lot more reliable. 22.29.37 # <[Saint]> Plugging in/out reasonably rapidly causes issues. 22.29.58 # n1s: works in less cases, and also shows some "missing" output in syslog 22.31.36 # i don't have anything like that, maybe the s5l8700/1 and the s5l8702 are slightly different 22.31.59 # n1s: shall we close FS#11124 ? 22.32.51 # after it stopped hanging it's worked beautifully, i just did 10 connects and disconnects with no failures :( 22.32.54 # Buschel: sure 22.34.05 # n1s: done 22.34.25 # i'd still guess on too large blocks or something not handling files larger than 2gb nicely 22.35.03 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 22.35.03 # we could support larger blocks on targets with large codec buffers if anyone cared 22.35.21 # but that is certainly a deliberate limitation and no bug 22.36.33 # i guess comparing the usb code from a nano2g bootrom could help... 22.38.22 Quit stripwax (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.39.15 Quit [Saint] (Quit: I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.) 22.39.18 # does anybody here use rockboy on a nano 2G? I would like to check whether FS#10949 is valid or can be closed 22.39.37 Join [Saint] [0] (~St.]@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 22.45.36 # [7]: did you ever compare classic and nano2g bootroms? 22.45.46 # with regard to usb? 22.47.41 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.47.52 # <[7]> yeah, roughly 22.48.13 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 22.48.24 # any notable differences? 22.48.27 # it seems my patch made usb connects less reliable on the nano2g 22.48.40 # <[7]> hm, bad :/ 22.49.29 Join [Saint] [0] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 22.53.37 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4) 22.55.53 Quit [Saint] (Quit: I'm only going to Heaven if it feels like Hell, I'm only going to Heaven if it tastes like caramel...) 22.59.53 Join bcoco85 [0] (~co@77.225.204.126) 23.01.35 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 23.02.07 Part bcoco85 23.02.39 Quit ender` (Quit: Whenever you cut your fingernails, you will find a need for them an hour later.) 23.04.17 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.04.24 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 23.13.04 # jhMikeS: playback stuck again now 23.13.13 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.15.03 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 23.15.39 Quit knittl (Read error: Operation timed out) 23.15.48 Join knittl [0] (~knittl@unaffiliated/knittl) 23.16.18 Join bzed_ [0] (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 23.16.27 # buffering screen: pcm 0/529200 alloc 29313567/29313568 23.17.48 Quit bzed (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23.17.51 Nick bzed_ is now known as bzed (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 23.19.36 # after some seeks, play/pause and skip the nano 2G totally locked up in pause state. 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