--- Log for 11.05.111 Server: lindbohm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 18 hours ago 00.00.35 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.02.57 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 00.03.39 Quit japc (Quit: Ex-Chat) 00.04.20 Quit Jerom1 (Quit: Leaving.) 00.05.46 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@g231108100.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.05.47 Quit kugel (Changing host) 00.05.47 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.10.30 Quit Keripo1 (Quit: Leaving.) 00.18.30 Quit kugel (Quit: leaving) 00.19.35 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@g231108100.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.19.35 Quit kugel (Changing host) 00.19.35 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.20.27 Quit JesusFreak316 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.23.09 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.25.40 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 00.31.37 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 00.37.33 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au) 00.51.46 Quit rdd (Remote host closed the connection) 01.04.35 Quit gevaerts (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.12.02 Quit froggyman (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.12.12 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@98.115.0.7) 01.12.12 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 01.12.12 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@unaffiliated/froggyman) 01.16.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.25.08 Part toffe82 01.25.56 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p5080F53C.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.26.06 Quit keyb_gr (Client Quit) 01.27.28 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p5080F53C.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.35.03 # What do you guys think of FS#12037 (add bug categories for Rockbox website), other than being misfiled? 01.38.02 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.41.47 Join JesusFreak316 [0] (~JesusFrea@pool-173-65-83-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 01.44.35 # Speaking of the website... ever tried finding out what license RB uses? All I can say is I gave up and resorted to Google, which eventually spit out some discussion revealing it was GPLv2. Shouldn't this be extremely obvious, as in no more than one click from the main page? 01.45.15 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-188-223.msk1cmtc01.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 01.52.00 # On another note, would anyone have a clue why the Clip+ would not turn off its headphone amp during shutdown, hence producing an ugly pop noise? Try FM radio, that pretty much has sound until the very end. 01.52.34 Join cjcopi [0] (~craig@charon.craig.copi.org) 01.55.29 # There is a function in as3514.c that at least in theory should provide smooth shutdown, but how do I find out whether it's ever called and if so, where? (Sorry for my noobness.) 01.57.18 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.57.58 Part keyb_gr 01.58.46 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 02.01.39 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.08.11 Quit DerPapst1 (Quit: Leaving.) 02.11.54 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 02.23.37 Join JoshuaChang [0] (~JoshuaCha@116.225.73.221) 02.42.21 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.50.05 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 02.55.30 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.59.54 Join Dreamxtreme [0] (~Dream@92.18.198.87) 03.01.22 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 03.01.48 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 03.01.53 Join timccc [0] (~lisa@112.166.15.141) 03.17.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.18.08 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@CPE0022b0d4bdb7-CM001a6680d4fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.18.28 Join tripelb [0] (~tripelb@cpe-76-94-22-162.socal.res.rr.com) 03.19.52 # hello. I have a Fuze v.1 and I understand that I should backup the system I have before installing rockbox. I've been looking for how to do it. I dont remember where I was told to do it even. Regardless, I'd like to know how to do it. Ubuntu 10.04 gnome is on my system. THANKS 03.42.40 # Here's the text: Bootloader installation requires you to provide a firmware file of the original firmware (bin file). You need to download this file yourself due to legal reasons. Please browse the Sansa Forums' or refer to the manual and the SansaAMS wiki page on how to obtain this file. 03.42.40 # Press Ok to continue and browse your computer for the firmware file. 03.43.12 # that says what to do 03.45.46 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet-math.org) 03.48.01 Quit boghog (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.50.29 Quit mc2739 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.50.38 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 03.54.16 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable036.124-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 03.56.54 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@2001:980:34c7:0:1e6f:65ff:fe86:1e03) 03.57.18 Quit fdinel (Client Quit) 03.59.54 Quit Zambezi (Quit: Your account has been suspended: Expired) 04.03.32 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.03.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.03.33 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.03.34 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.03.36 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.03.50 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.06.36 Quit Zarggg (Quit: Zarggg) 04.18.01 Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 04.20.15 Quit timccc (Remote host closed the connection) 04.21.13 Quit boghog (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.23.03 Join timccc [0] (~lisa@112.166.15.141) 04.23.06 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 04.26.50 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04.34.56 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@2001:980:34c7:0:1e6f:65ff:fe86:1e03) 04.35.07 Quit boghog (Remote host closed the connection) 04.40.50 # so far so good. I found the firmware thingy and posted re it on the user forums. 04.41.50 # JdGordon, thanks for dissing me. IF I understood it I would not have asked. 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We don't believe this to be a coincidence.) 05.44.40 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 05.51.44 Quit JesusFreak316 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.51.47 Nick mark___ is now known as MarktheArcher (~mark@99-20-182-188.lightspeed.elgnil.sbcglobal.net) 05.54.04 # JdGordon: which? e250, fuze or clip? 05.55.08 # any or all of them 05.55.29 Join Scromple_ [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au) 05.57.40 Join mark___ [0] (~mark@99-20-182-188.lightspeed.elgnil.sbcglobal.net) 05.57.40 Quit Scromple (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.58.03 Quit MarktheArcher (Quit: Leaving) 05.58.48 Quit niekie (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.02.31 Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie) 06.06.00 Nick mark___ is now known as MarktheArcher (~mark@99-20-182-188.lightspeed.elgnil.sbcglobal.net) 06.31.23 Join slooopy [0] (~sloo@95-90-30-123-dynip.superkabel.de) 06.32.17 Quit timccc (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.33.52 Join timccc [0] (~lisa@112.166.15.141) 06.44.58 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 06.44.59 Quit sideral (Changing host) 06.44.59 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 06.47.36 Quit MarktheArcher (Quit: Leaving) 06.47.41 Quit ricemark20 (Remote host closed the connection) 06.57.41 Join Zarggg_ [0] (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 06.59.28 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 06.59.57 Quit Zarggg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.01.46 Join phr [0] (~phr@ruckus.brouhaha.com) 07.02.21 # is any chance someone can reset my rockbox forums password? i can log into the wiki but not the forum 07.14.56 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.17.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.17.47 # phr: whats your username? 07.17.53 # I'll see if i have enough admin rights 07.19.11 # phr? last online 4 years ago? :D 07.20.05 # and no, doesnt look like I can, scorche ? 07.21.45 # JdGordon: you should be able to 07.22.38 # phr: see PM 07.22.55 # oh, right, i was looking in the wrong area 07.28.15 Quit sideral (Quit: Leaving.) 07.30.31 # scorche, thanks 07.30.50 # JdGordon, yeah, it's been a while, i think i posted something suggeting rockbox be able to unpack zip files for playback 07.30.56 # scorche, pm 07.32.05 # phr: you had no posts - at least on the "phr" account 07.33.30 # hmm 07.33.45 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Disconnected by services) 07.33.51 # i thought i did post something like that... it got some responses, nobody else wanted the feature... could it be as "paulr" ? 07.34.29 Join [Saint] [0] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 07.57.09 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 07.57.59 Quit Zarggg_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.58.26 Join Zarggg_ [0] (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 08.05.20 Join shai_ [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 08.12.26 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 08.12.26 Quit sideral (Changing host) 08.12.26 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 08.17.47 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@80.67.9.2) 08.18.26 Quit Zambezi (Changing host) 08.18.26 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@unaffiliated/zambezi) 08.20.20 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 08.21.15 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 08.21.15 Quit sideral (Changing host) 08.21.15 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 08.23.19 Quit JoshuaChang (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.23.56 Join JoshuaChang [0] (~JoshuaCha@116.225.73.221) 08.30.35 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 08.30.55 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 08.30.55 Quit sideral (Changing host) 08.30.55 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 08.32.07 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 08.40.49 Quit sideral (Remote host closed the connection) 08.41.00 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@46.35.227.87.static.tab.siw.siwnet.net) 08.41.00 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.41.00 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.41.20 Join n1s [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/n1s) 08.41.35 # kugel: your build works but the list spacing doesn't look very nice. It's true that it is actually comparable to the native android lists on my phone but for some reason it doesn't bother me this much there as it does with your patch. 08.41.38 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@213.165.85.248) 08.41.38 Quit sideral (Changing host) 08.41.38 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 08.43.36 # I'm trying to understand for myself why and I think it has to do with the fact that android often has a second line of info in one item space and that usually the lists aren't very long 08.47.17 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.47.39 # pixelma: are you using the same font? 08.49.12 # no, but I think the one I use is a bit heavier then then stock one 08.49.29 # Zagor: Seems like I accidentally removed the assignment of FS#11297 to funman with my last edit of the task. I wanted to correct this, but I can't: funman isn't in Flyspray's list of developers anymore -- which is probably the reason why the deassignment happened in the first place 08.49.40 # than too 08.50.04 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.51.42 # Zagor: height of the two fonts seems comparable 08.52.15 # I can't think of an example list in "native" android. lists and menus should probably have different spacing. 08.53.07 # maybe it also has to do with the separator lines which just fill otherwise empty space and gives a border 08.53.14 # android also has a line between each menu entry (at least android 2.3) 08.54.00 # well yeah, I didn't find a really comparable list (the app manager one was the closest I could think of) 08.54.28 # subsonic (and some other apps) have a list that has quite a small spacing and if you grab the scrollbar, you can see the alphabet you're at 08.54.33 # file managers seem to do their own thing 08.54.41 # hooking up the native list widget would be a better patch than simply using a non-configurable line height in the lists 08.55.01 # right, the application list is a proper list 08.55.20 # (settings->applications->manage applications) 08.55.45 # or at least the most list-like I've found :) 08.56.19 # the list of wifi networks is another 08.56.34 # interestingly, they use different fonts 08.56.53 # the wiki list looks more like an extended menu 08.56.57 # *wifi 08.57.03 # If someone was keen (and we could live with limitations of no scrolling and a single viewport per list item) our lists could be themeable with skins 08.57.15 # I never did the work because i dont really like the limitations 08.57.30 # no scrolling is a deal killer for me 08.57.46 # um, it would be no scrolling exxcept in the selected items viewport 08.57.51 # oh 08.57.52 # Hence my idea of a configurable additional line spacing for text 08.58.39 # the best system I could come up with is configuring 2 viewports, one for non selected items and one for the selected item (not nescecarily the same heights) and having the list draw them 08.58.49 # This might be useful for themers on all targets, not just touch, although I prefer information density and hence probably wouldn't use it myself 08.59.15 # my idea would make touch/grid support better also 08.59.23 # but I have bassically no time anymore :) 08.59.29 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.59.29 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 08.59.29 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.02.02 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@2001:980:34c7:0:1e6f:65ff:fe86:1e03) 09.05.21 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.39 # Is anyone out there interested in picking up the theme support maintenance? 09.15.04 Quit chrisb (Remote host closed the connection) 09.16.01 # <[Saint]> If they were....do you think you'd be "theme guy"? ;) 09.16.15 # <[Saint]> And yes...I realize that's not a title you necessarily want... 09.17.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.21 Join mem_ [0] (~mem@mem-irc.netnod.se) 09.18.10 # * JdGordon isnt going anywhere but has no time to code lately 09.18.23 # so if someone wanted to pick it up I'd be happy to help them get going 09.18.43 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 09.19.05 # <[Saint]> I think the main problem with it is that it's a scary part of the project to just jump into, and it kinda needs a bit of prior knowledge about the way things work, or should work. 09.19.33 # actually, compared to the rest I tihnk its probably the easiest part to jump into :) 09.19.38 # it is mostly self contained 09.19.59 # <[Saint]> Of course *you* think it's easy ;) 09.23.15 # <[Saint]> It certainly interests me...but I really can't say I have the time. I barely have time for real life thse days. Seems to be a problem a few people are facing. 09.24.37 # <[Saint]> I more enjoy playing with what the skin engine allows me to do...and I haven't had much and/or any time for that lately either. :/ 09.24.43 Quit boghog (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.26.30 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 09.29.00 Quit sasquatch (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) 09.29.29 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@p4FF2D0D4.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.30.07 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.30.15 Nick crwll is now known as crwl (~crwlll@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fe8edf00-29.dhcp.inet.fi) 09.30.20 # Apropos theming: I'm using the "literal" theme on my Clips, and there's one thing that annoys me: There's a space between the album name and the year, even when there is no year -> album is slightly off-center 09.31.11 # I'd prefer not having to fix this myself :) 09.39.12 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@www.haxx.se) 09.39.12 Quit Bagder (Changing host) 09.39.12 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 09.40.51 # <[Saint]> sideral: Welcome to the wonderful world of "give users a nice theme engine, so they can make very, very broken themes" ;) 09.41.07 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@5357BAFA.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 09.41.09 # <[Saint]> more often than not, they only cover the exact use case of the author and no more. 09.41.29 # <[Saint]> themes that are actually made to cover all scenarios are like hens teeth 09.42.19 # <[Saint]> You usually find that once you find a theme you like, it's a small matter of beating it into shape, though. 09.42.45 # <[Saint]> (but sometimes you find a mess of sheer terror, that basically needs to be completely re-done apart from a few select images) 09.44.01 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p57954AE6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.45.01 Quit Scromple_ (Quit: Gone) 09.45.21 # <[Saint]> this issue you mention sounds like it's pretty simple to fix, but that's "famous last words" talk. 09.46.27 # <[Saint]> it sounds as though the author has just assumed that the metadata will always be present. 09.47.19 # Well, it manages to not display the parentheses around the year if the year is not present, so leaving out the space as well doesn't appear to be rocket science 09.49.42 # any idea for change the metadata/elapsed time information in codec stage？ 09.50.13 # <[Saint]> JoshuaChang: I think you need to word that question a bit better. 09.50.19 # <[Saint]> it's not clear what you're asking. 09.52.19 Join u42p [0] (~v35b@d143116.adsl.hansenet.de) 09.52.19 # eh...the nsf codec, when sub-track auto changed, the elapsed time in wps didn't move 09.54.29 # also, some vgz(compressed vgm) track couldn't get metadata information in metadata stage, the metadata information was set in codec stage, after 29785, it didn't work anymore 09.58.23 Quit boghog (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.02.23 # Saint: OK, it was easier than I though. I was able to fix it in 2 minutes :) 10.02.41 # <[Saint]> sideral 1, theme 0 10.03.15 # yay 10.05.58 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 10.06.21 Join boghog [0] (~aphax@5357BAFA.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 10.06.51 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 10.09.20 # <[Saint]> let me guess, the difference between " %?iy<%iy>" and "%?iy< %iy>"? 10.11.13 # <[Saint]> oh, right, yeah...I'm looking now. heh. 10.12.24 # exactly :) 10.15.25 # What's the official way to get this change distributed? 10.16.02 Quit Rob2223 (Remote host closed the connection) 10.16.17 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF3B46.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.17.55 # <[Saint]> there isn't one, really. 10.18.09 # sideral: contact the author 10.18.20 # <[Saint]> bug the author (sometimes possible), or upload a fixed version with another name. 10.18.54 # ugh. this stuff is not version-controlled? 10.19.02 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 10.19.20 # <[Saint]> only the original author can re-submit the theme, with the same credentials. 10.21.27 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.22.27 Quit JoshuaChang (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.2pre/20110429182132]) 10.23.35 Quit grndslm (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.25.10 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 10.28.44 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 10.32.09 # How can I find the author? all I see on the theme site is a real name 10.35.52 # can my fuse take a memory card that isnt just a microSD but is a microSDHC or SDHCTM? 10.37.53 # I installed the new Rockbox as of May, on a v1 Fuze. It breaks all the time and I have to powercycle it. When it breaks I get a screen half full of some kind of register dump. 10.40.51 # GOT it. It does take SDHC. 10.50.31 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 10.55.31 Quit bthomson (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.56.01 Quit tripelb (Read error: Operation timed out) 10.56.20 Join bthomson [0] (~bthomson@pool-71-114-64-197.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.57.32 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 11.11.03 # <[Saint]> sideral: You'd need a themesite admin, I guess. 11.11.47 # sideral 1, theme 1 11.11.58 # <[Saint]> ;) 11.17.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.18.24 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 11.19.11 Quit logvelc (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11.33.38 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.39.01 # it is too late now, but someone should mention to sideral that the IrcNicks wiki page is a good start for attaching an IRC nick to the "real name" in the various pages. 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There's a bit in AUDIOSET2 register, but not even a define in as3514.h to go along with it. 16.42.55 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4) 16.43.15 # The power-off pop noise on the Clip+ seems to occur when turning off the headphone amp BTW. Nothing one could do much about, I'm afraid :( 16.44.40 # possibly it could be damped by first turning down the volume 16.45.18 # I mean in the code, not manually 16.45.21 # or muting if it has a mute bit 16.45.26 # right 16.47.49 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 16.59.02 # Muting is already active at this point. The pop noise seems much louder on high-impedance loads, so ought to be something capacitive. There is a pop noise control circuit, maybe that only cancels things well with low-impedance loads. 16.59.40 # Still strange that this would be more pronounced compared to my old ClipV2. 17.04.09 Join GOSC [0] (~5948471f@giant.haxx.se) 17.04.33 Quit Bagder (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 17.04.44 # hello 17.05.09 # from where i can download OF to sansa v2? 17.05.30 # the manual should have a link 17.05.34 # <[Saint]> The Sandisk site is a good start. 17.05.34 # my rockbox utility want it 17.05.41 # <[Saint]> The manual and the installer link to it. 17.05.43 # i check it 17.05.58 # on site is only autouptader 17.06.20 # No, you are not reading far enough 17.06.25 # The OF *is* there. 17.06.34 Part Zagor 17.06.54 # autoupdate is checking ur firmware and when u have lastest he didnt download any .bin files 17.07.09 # http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51524 17.07.43 # i have fuze v2 ;p 17.07.43 # Download needs to be unzipped. 17.08.12 # this is from sandisk official try to download .bin file http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Fuze/Sansa-Fuze-Firmware-Update-01-02-31-amp-02-03-33/td-p/139175 17.08.16 # i couldnt 17.08.39 # <[Saint]> http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/278 17.08.47 # <[Saint]> READ THE WHOLE THING 17.08.51 # <[Saint]> sorry, caps 17.09.10 # <[Saint]> don;t just take the first step, *read it* the FW links are there. 17.09.16 # I could 17.09.56 # oh sorry i found 17.10.13 # i was thinkink rhis is manual -.- 17.10.26 # thinking* 17.12.12 # Thank you for help anyway, and sory for my english 17.12.12 # <[Saint]> Hm? It is manual...you download the file manually, there's no need for the sansa updater. unless I'm missunderstanding you. 17.12.13 Join Xerion_ [0] (~xerion@5419A078.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 17.12.35 # instruction* 17.12.50 # like on rockbox site 17.14.19 Quit Xerion (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.14.20 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (~xerion@5419A078.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 17.17.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.18.09 Quit GOSC (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 17.19.34 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 17.19.34 Join SecretofMana [0] (~spiritofm@204.237.38.181) 17.21.34 # ah, he means because he wasn't following the manual rockbox install instructions, he assumed he didn't need the manual firmware download from sansa. 17.21.45 # that's, unfortunately, plausible human logic 17.21.52 # can we improve our messaging? :) 17.22.50 # <[Saint]> propbably not without wither renaming the manual to "almanac", or redifining the definition of "manual" in the English language ;) 17.24.21 # what? 17.24.24 # no, i mean manual as in not automatic 17.24.37 # Our install instructions refer to two choices, manual installation or automatic installation 17.24.45 # Sandisk's firmware page *also* uses those same two choices 17.24.53 # hence the mistake GOSC made 17.25.16 # automatic install of rockbox == i should download the automatic firmware installer from sandisk 17.25.19 # and the automatic install still requires a manual download, is there a reason rbutil can't get the file? 17.25.25 # So we add some disambiguation to the manual to clarify that 17.25.45 # n1s: because it's just a forum post and so the URL is not predictable 17.25.55 # <[Saint]> that would need to be very carefully crafted text. 17.26.14 # n1s: we know the URL for the forum post with the latest firmware, but we would have to actually scrape the contents and interpret it to link directly to the firmware 17.26.27 # all evidence suggests it's just edited by a human 17.26.41 # it could probably be done reasonably reliably, but not *easily* 17.26.44 # well, not trivially 17.26.51 # maybe we should ask sandisk if we can mirror the firmware 17.28.03 # <[Saint]> "please note, whether you chose to install Rockbox automatically or manually, you will always need to chose the manual firmware update option from the Sandisk site" 17.28.16 # [Saint]: Well I don't think we need to specifically disambiguate *that* 17.28.29 # we just need to try and refer better to the right thing to look for ont heir page in general, i think 17.28.29 # <[Saint]> (though, that's not entirely true...because you can pull the files out of the updater, no?) 17.28.40 # I don't think the updater containst eh file at all 17.28.45 # I think the updater downloads it also 17.28.54 # not sure though 17.28.57 # <[Saint]> err...after the fact of downloading them, yeah. I forgot that. 17.30.06 # or, well, most people actually seem to manage so i think we can just leave it as is 17.30.34 Join 15SAALYK9 [0] (~lem0n@ppp-145-146.98-62.inwind.it) 17.30.47 # I dunno, it comes up pretty often 17.31.11 # It's unlikely that making the instructions more verbose is going to prevent anyone who can download it now from being able to find it.. ;) 17.32.21 # There's also the fact that Sandisk promotes its automatic firmware updater more than the manual firmware download, so I can see where the confusion results from. 17.32.50 # <[Saint]> we can't fix "pick the first link I'm offered" syndrome, though. 17.33.10 # True, true, but I don't think it could hurt. 17.33.12 # you can make it less likely if you explicitly point out that the thing youa relooking for is not the first link offered 17.33.21 # *someone* will always fail, but hey 17.33.33 # <[Saint]> that would require someone checking it's validity, though. 17.33.46 # <[Saint]> they may move it somewhere new entirely, or even stop offering it. 17.34.34 # If that happens then new installation instructions will be required anyways since telling the people looking for the firmware to go to the forums won't be correct anyways. 17.35.32 # I don't mean literally saying "it's not the first link it's the second one" 17.35.45 # just, yaknow, noting htat it's described as the manual firmware download 17.35.47 # or whatever. 17.38.01 # The message right now makes a tiny passing reference "(bin file)" but doesn't in any way mention that there are *two things on offer* and only one of them is right 17.40.49 # I was also confused by this recently when I had to download the firmware for my Sansa Clip+ 17.45.39 # SecretofMana: well, if you have an idea for specific replacement text please post it on the forum/as a bugreport :) 17.46.05 Quit 15SAALYK9 (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17.46.37 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-145-146.98-62.inwind.it) 17.56.32 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 17.58.18 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 18.00.10 # Torne: Alright, thanks for the tip. 18.05.55 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 18.13.06 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 18.28.37 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.33.06 Join Jerom1 [0] (~jerome@95.171.148.84) 18.39.07 # Even before having the doc I wondered how I would integrate the fuze+ touch pad into rockbox but now that I know that it supports multi-fingers I'm even more dubious 18.40.09 # <[Saint]> we can register dual keypresses, no? 18.40.26 # <[Saint]> thinking of "hotkey", apparently so. 18.41.52 # err, it supports multi fingers but I don't know how to read the position of more than one ! 18.42.01 # <[Saint]> Ah. 18.42.45 # but it supports "enhanced gestures" 18.43.08 # "tap, double tap, tap and slide" 18.43.08 Join Nuo [0] (~5948471f@giant.haxx.se) 18.43.11 # <[Saint]> such as swiping, etc? 18.43.13 # <[Saint]> ah, ok. 18.43.52 # I haven't tried yet, that will be fun :D 18.43.59 # hello, how i can turn on usb mode on rockbox? 18.44.14 # Nuo: on which device? 18.44.16 # <[Saint]> Nuo: On what device? 18.44.31 # flash 18.44.56 # <[Saint]> You need to be more specific, what is the name of your device? 18.45.11 # Sansa fuze v2 18.45.19 Quit MarktheArcher (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.45.25 # <[Saint]> USB is deliberately disabled there. 18.45.42 # <[Saint]> for now, it needs to use the OF for USB due to stability issues. 18.45.51 # ok 18.45.51 Quit mark___ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.45.57 # <[Saint]> If you can compile your own build, there's a patch on the tracker for this. 18.45.58 # thx 18.46.15 # <[Saint]> However, it's also not guaranteed to work. 18.46.24 # and how i can install fiff file? 18.46.30 # .diff* 18.46.49 # ohh ;p 18.46.51 # that's FS#11664 if you are interested but you need to download the rockbox code, install the toolchain and compile everythin 18.46.55 # then i wait for stable 18.47.08 # thx for help 18.47.23 # <[Saint]> If you're prepared for that to potentially never happen. Go for it. 18.47.38 # <[Saint]> USB on these devices is a longstanding issue. 18.48.10 # ok i try 18.48.26 # [Saint]: apparently the touchpad supports multi fingers for gesture like pinching 18.48.29 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide has what you'll need to get started. 18.49.09 # <[Saint]> pamaury: Wow, nice. That could be fun to play with. 18.50.02 # ok i go on linux bb 18.50.16 # definitely, if it works well hat could provide a nice user interface but it doesn't really fit the rockbox input system 18.50.39 # <[Saint]> It would be amusing if a DAP got multi-touch before RaaA ;) 18.51.06 # that's not really multi-touch since the touchpad itself does the analysis and reports it 18.52.00 # <[Saint]> Oh...I see. How much of it is doccumented? (if any at all) 18.52.39 # the synaptics rmi interface is fully documented \o/ (except if this device does not follow it but it seems to be ok) 18.53.45 # Given how horrible is the OF user interface I hope it's only because they were bad at programming it and not because the device performs badly :D 18.54.47 # multitouchstuff on synaptics pads works pretty badly in my experience 18.55.22 # onetouch would already be great 18.55.54 Quit Nuo (Quit: CGI:IRC) 18.56.24 # I can even "invent" buttons on the touchpad, the one printed are just signs really 18.57.03 # <[Saint]> that would be as terrible as grid-mode, though. 18.57.20 # <[Saint]> no clear boundaries for touch regions is very painful to use. 18.58.26 Join DerPapst1 [0] (~Alexander@p57954CA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.58.44 # and don't forget that the touchpad is not on the screen ! 18.59.09 # it's too small to have a usable grid mode anyway 19.01.43 # anyway, I think at the beginning I will stay with a simple tap=key press mechanism, that's shouldn't be too hard 19.01.45 Quit DerPapst (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19.02.50 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 19.03.09 # <[Saint]> you'l at least need "tap&hold" later on also, for context menus/button_repeat. 19.03.26 # <[Saint]> good thing it's supported then ;) 19.03.54 # well yeah, tap and tap&hold are both easily supported I think 19.04.08 # what is harder is tap&slide for example 19.05.56 Join DerPapst [0] (~Alexander@p57954A79.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.07.06 Quit DerPapst1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.08.40 Part ibhan ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 19.17.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.21.46 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5DD57EA4.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.21.46 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 19.21.46 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.25.48 Quit Xerion (Quit: ) 19.25.51 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.26.21 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@5419A078.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 19.31.00 Join mystica555 [0] (~mike@m912636d0.tmodns.net) 19.32.58 Join japc [0] (~japc@194.65.5.235) 19.33.10 Quit japc (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.36.25 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 19.48.53 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3AA1D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.04.16 Join L-Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 20.07.10 Nick L-Strife89 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 20.17.14 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 20.18.14 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 20.18.14 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 20.18.14 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 20.30.35 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:bee) 20.33.42 # Sansa / AMS guys: Any comment on FS#12111? 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This allows dynamic allocation including error handling. 20.55.53 # r29857 build result: All green 21.01.08 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) 21.09.10 Quit gartral (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.09.44 Join JesusFreak316 [0] (~JesusFrea@pool-173-65-73-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) 21.15.29 Quit CIA-81 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.19.46 Join TheLemonMan_ [0] (~lem0n@ppp-145-146.98-62.inwind.it) 21.20.17 Quit TheLemonMan (Read error: No route to host) 21.30.38 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 21.41.24 Join silbo__ [0] (~quassel@193.40.244.204) 21.48.23 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.54.07 Quit silbo__ (Remote host closed the connection) 21.55.16 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.59.17 # I would like to commit my rockchip rk27xx code but I have problem how to name the target. The one I am working on is some noname which seems pretty close to reference design. 21.59.38 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3AA1D.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.59.42 # I called it rockchipgeneric in my tree. What do you think about it? 22.03.57 # hmm, no opinion apparently :-( 22.12.14 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley) 22.17.04 # wodz, maybe folks need to see your comment before offering an opinion ;) 22.18.15 # I thought I put it clear - is rockchipgeneric a good name for new target? 22.19.09 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.22.44 # i mainly meant "5 minutes is too short a time for folks to respond" 22.28.58 # wodz: maybe "rockchip rk27xx" if there could be bigger differences between the actual chips? 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