--- Log for 02.06.111 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 hours and 10 minutes ago 00.04.23 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.10.39 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-188-223.msk1cmtc01.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 00.14.31 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049040011.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.17.56 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.21.50 Quit JesusFreak316 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.23.12 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.23.17 Join Topy [0] (~Topy44@f049040011.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.27.01 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection timed out) 00.27.33 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 00.27.33 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 00.27.33 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 00.29.28 Quit bluebrother-bot (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish.) 00.31.57 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au) 00.32.24 Join bluebrother-bot [0] (~bluebroth@f053154182.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.34.31 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.38.42 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f048107199.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.42.38 Quit Topy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.55.16 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 00.57.32 Join tchan1 [0] (~tchan@c-69-243-144-187.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.58.55 Quit jordan`` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 00.59.02 Join jordan` [0] (gromit@2a01:e34:eebf:c890:21a:4dff:fe63:6966) 00.59.51 Quit tchan (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.08.38 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.14.42 Quit bthomson (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev) 01.15.12 Join bthomson [0] (~bthomson@c-68-33-5-232.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.16.49 Quit NoPinky () 01.22.59 Nick [Saint] is now known as S_a_i_n_t (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 01.23.03 Nick S_a_i_n_t is now known as [Saint] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 01.23.08 Nick [Saint] is now known as S_a_i_n_t (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 01.23.12 Nick S_a_i_n_t is now known as [Saint] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 01.23.12 DBUG Enqueued KICK [Saint] 01.41.00 Quit ender` (Quit: typeof(string).GetField("Empty").SetValue(null, "Empty");) 01.45.09 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 01.54.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.56.47 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@vl10.gw.ok-labs.com) 01.56.47 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 01.56.47 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.10.19 Quit JdGordon| (Quit: leaving) 02.24.29 Join clmoe [0] (~442fd73e@giant.haxx.se) 02.24.54 # results are in for attaching two cheap chinese 3600mah cells to my clipp! 02.25.15 # https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnnpTCiERQHLdGZDUXZuUVZYeTByNzNwc1RXWUNMNXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CIDbnIoL 02.26.00 # roughly 68 hours runtime, which would lead me to believe the batteries total 1250mah togeather 02.28.00 Join Zarggg_ [0] (~zarggg@24.229.139.169) 02.28.34 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 02.28.35 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.28.53 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.28.58 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 02.29.00 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.29.02 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.29.53 Join quem_ [0] (~foo@c83-254-247-9.bredband.comhem.se) 02.30.44 Quit Zarggg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.31.08 Quit pikytcus (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.31.14 Join pikytcus [0] (~bigd@failbox.co.cc) 02.31.17 Quit quem (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.31.22 Nick quem_ is now known as quem (~foo@c83-254-247-9.bredband.comhem.se) 02.44.14 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 02.44.37 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.232) 02.57.40 Join fdinel [0] (~Miranda@modemcable036.124-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) 02.58.51 # [Saint]: ok, well i commited the %cs changes... I'm hoping to add a value for every top level menu item, let me know if you think any other screens would be useful 03.07.24 # <[Saint]> that part I don't quite get...but I'll look at it when I can (real life stuff) 03.07.42 # <[Saint]> I had a thought though...I'm not sure if I can think of 15 screens that use the .sbs ;) 03.07.58 # <[Saint]> (this is only useful in .sbs enabled screens...right?) 03.08.26 # <[Saint]> Or is this going on the assumption that all these screens will *one day*, use the .sbs? 03.09.23 # maybe 03.10.34 # well, it lets you change the title bar in your cabbie theme more accurately 03.31.34 Join webguest123 [0] (~3a601b9e@giant.haxx.se) 03.35.46 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 03.36.42 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.34) 03.41.42 Quit jae (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 03.41.43 Quit fdinel (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 05.36.20 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: Since I'm on the edit page now, hovering over applying it...is the "correct" format to list it as 0~11 or 1~12? 05.37.06 # 1-12 05.37.44 # there is a 0 error case but that shouldnt ever be seen and %?cs will show a when in the menu case, not the error case 05.38.26 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@c-76-28-198-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 05.39.49 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 05.40.31 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.162) 05.43.54 Join mordocai [0] (~mordocai@mail.mordocai.net) 05.50.29 # <[Saint]> Ok...who do I need to talk to/bag/bag to add a few lang strings in to complete the usability of %cs (with the mind that my theme will, one day, become the default or the base of it)? 05.50.40 # <[Saint]> I need *quite* a few to be added. 05.51.07 # well this is an entirely different thing 05.51.19 # and brings us back to the lang-in-skin support question 05.51.44 # <[Saint]> IIUC, it's allowable if the theme is the default. 05.51.58 # <[Saint]> but adding arbitrary strings for random themes is a no-no. 05.52.09 # I'm not sure i agree with that 05.52.22 # especially when these strings wont be voiced 05.52.31 # <[Saint]> I need at least "Fastforward" and "rewind" to make this "work" with translation. 05.52.34 # * JdGordon suddnely remembers the talking skin support patch 05.52.42 # ? 05.54.04 # <[Saint]> I could, also, drop the part that switches the titlebar when playback stste changes...but I kinda like that feature. 05.54.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.56.23 # <[Saint]> Ideally, I'd like to drop the bitmaps I'm using for the titlebar heading with plain text, and if I do that...I'd like it to be translatable. 05.57.06 # <[Saint]> currently I could only offer translation for approximately half of the possible %cs states 05.57.49 # the ideal way is transparent skin translation support 05.57.54 Quit mordocai (Quit: Leaving) 05.58.20 # <[Saint]> I guess. 05.58.44 # using a tag would be simpler from my POV but not as nice for users 05.59.05 # <[Saint]> I guess I'll just translate what I can, and when/if this theme makes it into svn...*than* I'll push for adding the non-translated strings. 05.59.20 # <[Saint]> *then*, rather 06.00.24 # <[Saint]> cabbiev2 has strings specifically for it in the lang file...so I assume if my theme takes over I can do the same. 06.00.24 # Where do you want to put FastForward and Rewind? 06.00.46 # it does, but I still think that is wrong 06.01.06 # <[Saint]> ffwd/rew pops up over the titlebar...depending on playback state of course. 06.01.06 # and I have a feeling people with low mem targets will agree with me 06.01.43 Quit JesusChrysler (Quit: JesusChrysler) 06.01.55 # <[Saint]> so "main menu"/"whatever" becomes "fastforward"/"rewind" for the duration of fastforwarding/rewinding. 06.02.11 # interesting 06.02.20 # <[Saint]> not essential, but I like it and think it's a nice touch. 06.03.18 # <[Saint]> every single time I look at english.lang with regards to adding translation to a theme I'm surprised anew by what isn't in there. 06.04.11 # <[Saint]> I do realise that the .lang file is not an infinite resource...but some of the strings that *are* there seem a little odd compared to ones that aren't. 06.04.28 # <[Saint]> I'm talking about adding (maximum)...10 new strings? 06.04.52 # ask pixelma how hard it is making a voice file for hwcodec.... 06.05.15 # it is also a upkeep thing 06.05.26 # deprecating lang strings isnt easy 06.05.50 # <[Saint]> No, but wasn't there a .lang maintennwnce schudule decided? 06.06.08 # HAHAHA yeah, "sometime in the future... maybe.... 06.06.14 # <[Saint]> (I was under the impression that depricated strings were to be carved out during a release freeze) 06.06.46 # <[Saint]> I do recall that being discussed...no idea how "official" the discussion was. 06.09.39 # regardless... I dont tihnk strings which are only for skins should go in the lang file 06.10.26 # <[Saint]> so far...I'd need Fastforward, Rewind, Pitchscreen 06.10.33 # <[Saint]> so, a lot less than I thought. 06.12.31 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 06.12.36 # <[Saint]> I guess there's no harm in me just translating what I can...but there's a part of me that says "do it all, or don't bother" 06.13.18 # <[Saint]> I know that's irrational, but I can't explain to a user ahead of time why certain things are translated, and why others aren't. 06.13.29 # <[Saint]> it makes it seem like it's unintentional/a bug. 06.14.30 # <[Saint]> If/when this theme makes it into svn...I'll be voicing my opinions about skin translation a bit more aggressively :D 06.15.23 # <[Saint]> I like all my themes to offer as much LTR/RTL and translation support as I can. 06.15.39 Join t0rc [0] (~t0rc@unaffiliated/t0rc/x-5233201) 06.16.05 # <[Saint]> skin translation via the .lang files may not be ideal...but presently it's the only way to do it. 06.23.37 Join Scromple_ [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.tpgi.com.au) 06.25.03 Quit Scromple (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.29.34 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@p5DD572AA.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.29.34 Quit Horschti (Changing host) 06.29.34 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 06.33.00 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.49.50 # <[Saint]> Glargh!...ok...this is annoying. 06.50.12 # <[Saint]> For the .sbs, I need 2 lang strings to make it fully stranslatable. 06.50.30 # <[Saint]> but I can get away with only one "Pitch Screen") 06.53.47 Quit Keripo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.02.30 Quit wtachi (Quit: The hand that reaches from the grave to grip your throat is the strong hand you want on the wheel.) 07.06.24 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm...turmoil. 07.07.17 # <[Saint]> Add ~10 or so more strips to my bitmap titlebar strip, or, translate what I can and have it look weird for everything except english. 07.07.34 # why would it look wierd? 07.08.55 # <[Saint]> ,,,random engligh,random english,,, etc. 07.10.14 # <[Saint]> IMO, at least if the whole thing is english...it's easier to accept. 07.10.26 # what?! 07.10.49 # <[Saint]> I'd find myself asking "why is a, b and c translated and x, y and z not?" 07.12.06 # <[Saint]> which, I would actually understand someone asking. As there doesn't seem to be any reasoning or pattern to what is translated ans what isn't. 07.12.25 # but it isnt going to show half english and half translated on the same screen 07.14.06 # <[Saint]> No...and that's not what I'm implying. I'd just find it odd (if I wasn't a native english speaker and relied on translation) to see certain things translated and others not. 07.14.18 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@c-76-28-198-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.14.30 # I think you're making far more out of this than you shold be 07.14.46 # and this is a solvable problem so i really dont see why you are whinging? 07.15.30 # <[Saint]> Solvable how? If I put up a patch to add the strings I needed...there's about a 1% chance of it being accepted. 07.16.21 # <[Saint]> And I also don't see it as "wrong" or "whinging" to want a fully translatable theme 07.16.47 # <[Saint]> (especially when that theme is being made for consideration of replacing the default theme) 07.17.46 # <[Saint]> If it was just a theme for me, I wouldn't care about translation at all...the fact that I know that non-english speakers may one day use this makes me want to consider that while developing it. 07.19.45 # solvable in that either the strings get added when it becomes default 07.19.56 # or skin translation support is added (which is my preferred method) 07.20.19 # either way, assume it will be translated and move on 07.23.46 Quit FoH (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.24.34 Join FoH [0] (~foh@adsl-98-83-124-213.bhm.bellsouth.net) 07.28.42 Quit sinthetek (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 07.31.02 Quit mystica555_ (Remote host closed the connection) 07.35.34 Quit t0rc (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 07.36.32 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 07.42.22 Join sasquatch [0] (~username@46.115.2.190) 07.45.32 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: The last entry for %cs...you think "Setting Chooser" is ok for that? 07.46.00 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure why, but it looks a little weird to me. 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Most of the blocking issues have been fixed. The first-generation 160GB model still doesn't work, and some people are experiencing slightly garbled display contents. " 12.38.51 # but I couldn't find information about it in rockbox.org (I mean, about the support to ipod classic 160gb first generation) 12.39.12 # We don't support it yet 12.39.33 # The port is coming along, but isn't yet considered useable 12.39.52 # I would like to know about it because I have two ipod classics. One of the 160gb first generation and the other of 120gb. I would like to have the one with more posibilities to run rockbox 12.39.53 # bertrik: yeah, i think so 12.40.10 # I don't know if there are differences of quality in the hardware 12.40.12 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 12.40.19 # what do you suggest me? 12.40.31 # I'm more a fan of cloasing tasks and reopening if it turns out not to be fix than let them hang around open for a few weeks and be forgotten 12.40.34 # (I will sell the other probably) 12.40.55 # Spaceghost: both should work equally well 12.41.13 # the 120GB one is thinner, while the 160GB one has more storage capacity and batter runtime 12.41.24 # so that's a matter of personal preference 12.41.35 # ah 12.41.45 # the battery of 160 1G is bigger? 12.41.59 # is the battery of 160gb 1G bigger? 12.42.13 # more capacity? 12.42.13 # yeah, there was more space for the battery because of the thicker case 12.42.23 # ok 12.42.27 # the HDD also uses slightly more power, but that doesn't make up for the battery size difference 12.42.48 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 12.43.11 # can I replace the HDD's of each one? I mean interchage? or are those different to each other? 12.43.11 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.43.23 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 12.46.44 Quit robin0800 (Client Quit) 12.55.25 # n1s: I agree 13.05.24 # ¿? 13.13.08 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 13.18.46 Quit alexbobp (Read error: Operation timed out) 13.35.29 Quit quem (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.35.37 Quit eGen_ (Quit: ... gettin' screew my wife ....) 13.43.26 Join quem [0] (~foo@c83-254-246-133.bredband.comhem.se) 13.45.23 Join eGen_ [0] (generat0r@gate.mmdecin.cz) 13.54.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.02.53 # Spaceghost: the 160GB HDD is thicker than the 120GB one 14.02.56 # so that won't work 14.03.31 # from a spare parts point of view i'd favor the 120GB one, as you can use basically any ZIF 1.8" HDD in that one 14.04.03 # the 160GB HDD is a weird part that's only been found in ipods so far, so spare drives are rare 14.26.26 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@235.sub-70-223-253.myvzw.com) 14.26.26 Quit soap_ (Changing host) 14.26.26 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 14.37.18 Quit soap_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.40.08 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:28:773:babe:feed:dead:bee) 14.40.21 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 15.20.01 Quit user890104 () 15.20.07 Join user890104 [0] (~Venci@6bez10.info) 15.20.17 Quit user890104 (Client Quit) 15.20.23 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-wlan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 15.25.06 Quit mikroflops_ (Quit: qux) 15.38.06 Join user890104_ [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-lan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 15.39.53 Quit user890104 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.45.52 Join bmbl [0] (~bmbl@dsl-217-169-43.pool.bitel.net) 15.45.52 Quit bmbl (Changing host) 15.45.52 Join bmbl [0] (~bmbl@unaffiliated/bmbl) 15.51.00 Join gbl08ma [0] (58d25d92@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.210.93.146) 15.51.37 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.52.41 # hello everyone... I had an idea which is not directly related to Rockbox development but still it has a lot to do with Rockbox and so I'd like to expose the idea here. 15.52.47 # * bertrik is fixing some issues with the RDA5802 tuner (used in some AMSv2 players) 15.53.38 # I was thinking if there would be a way to convert TTF fonts into the Anti-aliased font format used by Rockbox, by using a website with PHP. 15.54.30 # Would there be any problem in creating a script in which users upload a TTF file they want to convert, the script executes convttf from the shell, and then returns the Rockbox font for download? 15.54.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.55.01 # This would allow people to easily convert fonts with a GUI even if they don't have the Rockbox source to build convttf. 15.55.28 # sounds like you could do that easily enough 15.55.40 # It's something simple to write and i'd start right now if I weren't away form my development PC 15.55.42 # you could do it by running convttf as cgi :) 15.55.54 # if you trust it to be secure against malicious user input 15.55.56 # I have a Linux server I could use for that 15.56.15 # php's exec() is enough to run convttf I think 15.56.30 # To run it dangerously, yes :) 15.57.15 Quit bmbl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.57.40 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@c-24-11-93-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 15.57.40 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 15.57.40 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 15.57.42 # the process would be like the user uploads a font, the font is temporarily stored in the server while phpexec (or cgi) calls convttf and it returns a Rockbox font, then the resulting RB font would be stored temporarily on the server while the user downloads it. 15.58.10 # right. this is fairly unsafe, though 15.58.18 # obviously... 15.59.51 # yeah, if you can exploit convttf and the script lets you upload an arbitrary file to the server... 16.00.12 # If there was conf 16.00.24 # the same is probably true of checkwps on the theme site, though :) 16.00.25 # oops... i didn't want to press enter 16.01.14 # and has anyone exploited the wps check on the theme site? 16.01.28 # we don't know :) 16.01.32 # indeed :) 16.01.42 # whether someone has or not is not a good basis to decide whether this is a good idea, also.. 16.01.56 # well, at least the server's still up and running 16.02.02 # i got to go 16.02.07 # see you 16.02.14 Quit gbl08ma (Quit: Page closed) 16.04.47 Quit tguinot (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 16.04.58 Join likfjdlskjs [0] (~46721264@giant.haxx.se) 16.05.41 Join tguinot [0] (~tguinot@ks22840.kimsufi.com) 16.06.33 # I have a clip v1 that I have been able to play boomshine on, and now wont work. I have been searching on google and the forums, and wonder if anyone might know why it stopped working for me (It stopped working while I was using the player, I did not do any updating) 16.08.36 # <[Saint]> Since hardware failure would have to be all types of messed up and crazy to affect one plugin specifically, I'd suggest checking the device for filesystem corruption. 16.10.42 Join wtachi [0] (~wtachi@cpe-065-190-012-236.nc.res.rr.com) 16.12.06 Quit user890104_ (Remote host closed the connection) 16.12.14 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 16.12.16 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-lan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 16.13.08 # I just went and got the fresh copy of the latest stable for the clip1, and it doesn't have the lua.rock plugin under viewers, which I assume Boomshine.lua would need to work. I wonder how boomshine could have possibly worked without that file 16.14.48 # likfjdlskjs: the clip's plugin buffer is too small for lua, iirc 16.15.43 # Strange that boomshine used to work though 16.16.16 # That's what it seems like, everyone who has previously asked about it has come to the same conclusion. Yet, I know I was playing it 2 days ago, and then it started saying to me when I tried to run it, "Can't open file /.rockbox/viewers/lua.rock" 16.16.22 # Yes, exactly. 16.17.55 # lua's memory requirement has been the same for a long time 16.18.01 # <[Saint]> I seem to remember a recent boomshine related commit by funman 16.18.06 # the plugin is not even compiled on targets that are too small 16.18.11 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 16.18.12 # this cannot be anything to do with boomshine 16.18.36 # <[Saint]> "don't build LUA.rock if LUA isn't built" (or something along those lines) 16.18.49 # Yeah, in the fresh stable copy that I just pulled from rockbox.org, the lua plugin does not exist. 16.19.28 # Trying to see if perhaps something weird happened and the one I got recently had lua on it? brb 16.20.34 # funman did +/* Lua needs at least 160 KB to work in */ 16.20.34 # +#if PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE >= 0x80000 16.20.34 # boomshine.lua 16.20.34 DBUG Enqueued KICK AlexP 16.20.34 # +#endif 16.20.48 # in r29895 16.21.17 # Which should have just applied the same limits to building boomshine to those for building lua if I understand the commit message properly 16.22.23 # lua has had that restriction a long time 16.22.33 # you should neve rhave had a lua plugin on the clip in the first place 16.23.30 # yes, exactly 16.23.48 # it was removed over a year ago because its overlay loader was broken :) 16.24.05 # so the correct solution to the problem is "delete boomshine.lua" :) 16.24.10 # yup 16.24.22 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Operation timed out) 16.24.38 # clip doesn't have enough RAM. if it worked before then you had a very old build of rockbox where lua was smaller 16.25.08 # there is also no way it could've stopped working spontaneously, you must have reinstalled/updated/something. :) 16.25.11 # I dl'd 3.8.1 on Monday for the first time onto this clip 16.25.28 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 16.25.30 # Yeah, that spontaneously stopping working thing is what really got me 16.26.07 # 3.8.1 doesn't contian lua on the clipv1 16.26.15 # so i am afraid you must be mistaken :) 16.26.29 # you must've had something else on there before. 16.27.22 # Ya, ima try to duplicate this working, if I have anything new happen, I'll report. THank you for your time, all! 16.27.44 # You will not be able to get it to work 16.27.55 # unless you downgrade to a build that is over a year old 16.28.00 # There's no bug or issue here at all 16.28.14 # You must've had a very old build on there which still had lua 16.29.46 # I just wiped my .rockbox on player, replacing it with a fresh 3.8.1 copy and yes, I did not work. I have no idea what or why it worked before, haha. 16.29.52 # it* 16.30.44 Quit likfjdlskjs (Quit: CGI:IRC) 16.31.04 # it worked before because clipv1 used to have a larger plugin buffer 16.31.29 # but it was reduced a year ago because it was very wasteful :) 16.32.13 # so yes. it worked before because there was more memory. you upgraded, and now it doesn't. there is no mystery ;) 16.34.35 # other plugins that need a lot of memory have overlay loaders so they can be loaded into the audio buffer instead of the plugin buffer, but lua's was broken iirc so it was just disabled. 16.37.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 16.37.56 Part timccc 16.43.47 Quit bluebrother-bot (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 16.44.13 Quit bluebroth3r (Read error: Operation timed out) 16.46.08 # the RDA5802 has a couple of undocumented registers it seems ... :( 16.46.13 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@g224237146.adsl.alicedsl.de) 16.46.13 Part Spaceghost 16.46.13 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 16.46.13 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 16.47.08 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@maf.wirelesstcp.net) 16.53.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.53.46 # * [Saint] has a beautiful .sbs titlebar working in his current theme with svn head 16.56.10 # <[Saint]> anyone with a 480X800 target willing to verify that an .apk installs before I blindly link to it on my forum post? 16.59.17 # New commit by 03nls (r29945): FS#12141 by Sean Bartell ... 17.09.00 # * n1s wonders if the build system is feeling all right 17.15.54 # Bagder: could you kick the build server a little? 17.17.28 # * bertrik attempts his first commit using git svn 17.17.56 # New commit by 03bertrik (r29946): Fix FS#11813 - Frequency is not tuned the first time the radio is turned on 17.18.53 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Operation timed out) 17.19.08 # * n1s wants to make another commit but wants the previous build to complete first 17.19.46 # hmm, it vanished, maybe someone kicked the thing in secret 17.21.24 Join bluebrother-bot [0] (~bluebroth@g224237146.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.22.38 # r29946 build result: All green 17.25.51 # New commit by 03nls (r29947): Fix define name. 17.29.05 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 17.29.40 # r29947 build result: All green 17.32.25 Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 17.34.18 # hmm, the voice codec isn't built with the core -O switch so we could probably save a bit of codesize on lowmem swcodec targets there 17.34.24 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17.36.51 # building it with -Os cuts almost 3k on a clip build 17.37.53 # nice 17.48.34 # i wonder if it's likely to break 17.50.51 # anyone with a clip care to give voice a quick test? 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20.03.38 Join JesusChrysler [0] (~JesusChry@c-69-253-15-232.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 20.06.41 Join JesusChrysler_ [0] (~JesusChry@c-69-253-15-232.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 20.07.03 # <[Saint]> _kain: You can use whatever file manager you want. 20.07.30 # <[Saint]> rockbox doesn't need any particular application to sync, it supports drag&drop. 20.07.46 # <_kain> ok, thanks... i'll try to read all FAQs and then try to install it ^^ 20.10.03 Quit JesusChrysler (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20.10.03 Nick JesusChrysler_ is now known as JesusChrysler (~JesusChry@c-69-253-15-232.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 20.10.46 Quit user890104 (Remote host closed the connection) 20.11.18 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-lan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 20.25.50 Join evilnick [0] (18bee3a9@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 20.41.10 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 20.42.08 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.49.15 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20.55.08 Quit krazykit (Quit: kapow) 20.56.22 Quit [Saint] (Disconnected by services) 20.56.24 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (~st.lasciv@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 20.58.07 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Client Quit) 20.59.50 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@124-197-3-117.callplus.net.nz) 21.01.20 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 21.08.54 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4BFDB.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.11.47 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 21.15.36 Quit user890104 (Remote host closed the connection) 21.15.47 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@venci-notebook-lan.ipv6.6bez10.info) 21.17.47 Join rocki [0] (~a_schrade@ip-109-42-147-26.web.vodafone.de) 21.18.54 Part rocki 21.20.52 # <_kain> ok, i read all the information about rockbox... but still lost... time for me to check the forums... seems to be a bit complicated for an ipod 21.21.39 # _kain: 21.21.48 # What are you lost about? 21.22.04 # Ahem, why are you lost? What part is concerning you? 21.22.23 # <_kain> to install the rockbox "firmware" in my "old" ipod 21.22.30 # see the manual 21.22.36 # It is all explained 21.22.39 # <_kain> yep, i'm on it 21.22.47 # We have a nice utility to do it, Rockbox Utility 21.22.56 Quit balintx (Remote host closed the connection) 21.23.08 # <_kain> i dld the "rockbox-ipodcolor.pdf" 21.23.40 # * evilnick hopes that this corresponds to _kain's model of ipod :) 21.23.52 # <_kain> it is ^^ 21.24.37 # <_kain> but for now, my ipod is still on "do not disconnect" screen... and loading... 21.25.31 # <_kain> 'cause of a synchronisation with banshee 21.25.51 # <_kain> i think i need to wait 21.26.11 # <_kain> 12%... 21.28.06 # <[Saint]> that's only really important if you're going to bother keeping the iTunes database 21.28.13 # <[Saint]> (which, ...I wouldn't) 21.28.56 # <_kain> i don't want it, i want to be able to listen to all my music files which contain .mp3 and .ogg 21.29.44 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.35.17 Nick kugel is now known as kugelp (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 21.44.28 Join balintx [0] (~quassel@szerver1.gulyasp-koll.sulinet.hu) 21.48.50 Quit balintx (Remote host closed the connection) 21.51.54 Join balintx [0] (~quassel@szerver1.gulyasp-koll.sulinet.hu) 21.55.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.59.56 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lem0n@ppp-37-59.26-151.libero.it) 22.05.06 Quit balintx (Remote host closed the connection) 22.09.31 Join balintx [0] (~quassel@szerver1.gulyasp-koll.sulinet.hu) 22.19.37 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 22.24.37 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 22.24.54 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 22.29.54 Join cr [0] (~cr@151.71.154.32) 22.37.33 Quit cr (Quit: It's time to live and it's time to die!) 22.38.17 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 22.43.01 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 22.49.27 Nick kugelp is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.52.57 # New commit by 03nls (r29949): Disable some unused code in speex to save binsize. 22.56.45 # r29949 build result: All green 23.06.27 # <_kain> yeah ! my ipod is now rockboxed ! i'm happy ! 23.06.51 Quit sinthetek (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.07.14 # <_kain> thanks a lot for you, people made this greaaaaat opensource ap. 23.10.56 # [Saint]: I've just been trying your wps 23.11.10 # [Saint]: Nice in general, but I have a couple of comments :) 23.11.54 # 1) I expected that clicking on the volume icon that is always there would either let me change the volume, or would bring up the volume slider 23.12.02 # Maybe the latter would be good? 23.12.06 # _kain: glad you like it :) 23.13.01 # 2) I don't know how, but I managed to confuse it. I was just clicking on stuff, and one of the tabs disappeared, so I clicked on the other - it slid out and when it closed the other reappeared, but the one I clikced on disappeared 23.13.08 # I could repeat this a few times 23.13.39 # <_kain> nice step will be to transfer all my music, then test the new firmware and config it ^^ 23.14.06 # 3) I know not much you can do about it given the current RB touch system, but I really expected a slide action to bring out the tabs, so as I swiped I kept activating the tab then selecting one of the options in the tab all in one go 23.14.29 # This might be something it is worth addressing in the code if possible (JdGordon?) 23.15.19 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 23.26.46 # <_kain> once on rockbox, can i remove all the files/folders in my ipod if i don't need them anymore ? (ex. Ipod_control, notes, contacts..) 23.26.55 # yes 23.27.00 # <_kain> nice 23.30.59 # You can, but whenever you boot the original firmware they'll be back (which may happen by something as simple as plugging it in when switched off with the hold switch set to "on"), so I wouldn't bother, really 23.32.51 # <_kain> i really don't want to boot the OFW... i'm on ubuntu and i really prefer rockbox 23.33.04 # Well yes, but it does happen :) 23.33.27 # <_kain> hmm i see 23.33.37 # * gevaerts booted the OF on his ipod video earlier today when he wanted to charge it, merely because he didn't check the hold switch 23.33.56 # <_kain> hehe 23.34.39 # <[Saint]> AlexP: Thanks for your comments. 23.35.11 # <[Saint]> I believe I can block the opposite tab from opening, while the one you *want* open is open...working on that presently. 23.35.29 # [Saint]: It is more that the hidden tab 23.35.38 # "hidden" tab bit disappeared 23.35.43 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 23.35.49 # So it looked like there was no tab there at all on one side 23.35.55 # But I'm not sure how I did it 23.36.03 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.36.21 # <[Saint]> regarding the volume icon, yeah... JdGordon mentioned that he expected the volume icon to popup the volume slider popup thingy also. 23.36.54 # <[Saint]> I guess I need to find another function for the right tab, as I'm not really a fan of the idea of both the tab *and* the volume icon popping up that slider. 23.37.04 # yeah 23.37.21 # clicking on volume bringing up the volume slider would be good 23.37.26 # <[Saint]> but if it's preferred that the volume icon popup that slider popup thing, then sure. 23.37.55 # It just seems more obvious that clicking on the volume indicator would let you do something with the volume 23.38.20 # <[Saint]> I guess the right tab could bring up a second box of options similar to the left tab, but with...I dunnu, Hotkey, Playlist, ? 23.38.31 # As at the moment when you bring out the right tab there is no indication what the bar is for, it could be anything 23.38.46 # yeah, I'll have to think about that :) 23.39.40 # left is file browser, context and quick IIRC 23.39.47 # <[Saint]> yeah, I'm thinking of adding text to that screen. and also two "-" and "+" tabs so you don't have to seek the volume with the bar. 23.40.00 # It is nice though :) 23.40.05 # <[Saint]> that's correct re: left tab. 23.40.11 # <[Saint]> and thanks ;) 23.40.14 # I like the grouping of << play/pause >> 23.40.35 # <[Saint]> that was a very long IRC discussion to get that :D 23.41.03 # I seem to remember being for it right at the start when the swapping of play/pause icons came up :) 23.41.57 # <[Saint]> I was initially agains the idea of swapping the play/pause icons around...but now it seems perfectly natural to me. 23.42.07 # hehe :) 23.42.16 # <[Saint]> At first, clicking on a "stop" icon to "play" something seemed awkward. 23.42.35 # <[Saint]> then I realised that's pretty much the way every touch ui works. 23.43.13 Quit ender` (Quit: Jesus may be able to walk on water, but Chuck Norris can swim through dry land.) 23.43.19 # Maybe clicking on next track should do something 23.43.40 # I was initially thinking playlist viewer too, but maybe skipping to next track would be neat 23.43.53 # Click on the next track -> get skipped to it 23.44.07 Quit _kain (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23.44.17 # <[Saint]> it does that ;) 23.44.24 # not here 23.44.31 # <[Saint]> not *click* though, click'n'hold. 23.44.43 # oh, I haven't done that anywhere 23.44.57 # <[Saint]> you'll find more things now ;) 23.45.33 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 23.45.41 # indeed so 23.46.21 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.48.10 Join _kain [0] (~kain_@2a01:e35:2f66:5a0:6ef0:49ff:fe02:f036) 23.50.44 # <[Saint]> It's possible now to remove some of the "doubled up" touch areas...they are a bit of a legacy from the "before the tabs worked properly" age. 23.51.59 # <[Saint]> some of them have a reasonable case for being there still I guess, depending on how you use the theme. even with the pop-up boxes I still access the quickscreen via the titlebar for instance. 23.53.04 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 23.53.42 # yeah, I don't think doubling up is necessarily bad 23.53.57 # <[Saint]> Ideally, I'd like for there to be as little areas of the screen as need be with click *and* click&hold touch areas. the "click" areas can be annoying if you keep bringing them up accidentally. 23.54.23 # the click and hold are less obvious as well 23.54.36 # <[Saint]> that is true. 23.54.41 # is there a reason that next track is click and hold and not just click? 23.55.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.55.31 # <[Saint]> yes, if it's just "click" it'll repeat. and you want it to only fire once. 23.55.54 # <[Saint]> otherwise you're at the end of your playlist in lightning speed without knowing what you did ;) 23.56.05 # OK 23.56.16 # oh, I see what you mean 23.56.32 # hmmm 23.57.03 # <[Saint]> a "click" action will repeat if it's held, only a "click& hold" action has a modifier to get it to only fire once. 23.57.09 # <[Saint]> and that's a very recent addition. 23.57.39 # It would be nice to have that on click too 23.57.53 # I've no idea if that is feasible :)