--- Log for 11.06.111 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 22 hours ago 00.02.33 Nick mshaxp is now known as mshathlonxp (~athlonmpp@5ad7b04e.bb.sky.com) 00.10.56 Quit ender` (Quit: The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made.) 00.13.10 Quit Bagder (Remote host closed the connection) 00.16.54 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 00.21.41 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 00.22.56 Quit Judas_PhD (Client Quit) 00.24.12 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 00.27.57 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 00.34.35 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 00.37.37 Quit simonlnu (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number) 00.37.52 Join krazykit [0] (~krazykit@206.183.185.8) 00.38.32 Join simonlnu [0] (qzhMyw1tpU@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 00.42.11 Quit hobby16 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.57.48 Quit {phoenix} (Remote host closed the connection) 00.59.05 # * Torne wonders who "Andy" in the committer list is. :) 01.03.14 # jhMikeS: one thing we found during devcon is that bus reset is not a reliable way to differentiate between a host and a charger 01.04.11 # gevaerts: exactly, that why the other option was added 01.04.33 # Well yes, but it means that it shouldn't be an option 01.04.44 # it should be the only behaviour 01.04.45 # I wasn't in mood to convert everything all at once :) 01.05.39 Quit sideral (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.05.46 # so I annouced I wished to deprecate the bus-reset method and use the packet method 01.07.38 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.08.17 Join UnclePervyJesus1 [0] (~ubernoob@2001:5c0:1000:b::20c5) 01.08.18 Part UnclePervyJesus1 01.11.57 Quit Rondom (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.15.59 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@2a01:488:66:1000:b24d:4f2f:0:1) 01.16.21 Join xeniter [0] (~xeniter@cpe90-146-47-34.liwest.at) 01.17.42 Join UnclePervyJesus1 [0] (~ubernoob@2001:5c0:1000:b::20c5) 01.18.13 Mode "#rockbox +o Torne" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 01.18.17 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*ubernoob@2001:5c0:1000:b::*" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 01.18.17 Warn Banlist contains 19 bans! 01.18.17 Kick (#rockbox UnclePervyJesus1 :UnclePervyJesus1) by Torne!~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne 01.18.22 Mode "#rockbox +b *!*ubernoob@*" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 01.18.26 Mode "#rockbox +b UnclePervy*!*@*" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 01.21.48 Mode "#rockbox -o Torne" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 01.23.00 # the setup packet method is actually simpler all around to implement anyway 01.23.07 Quit Noub (Quit: CGI:IRC) 01.34.46 Quit realodd (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 01.34.54 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.37.20 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 01.42.57 Quit advcomp2019__ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.43.25 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@97-114-224-225.sxcy.qwest.net) 01.43.25 Quit advcomp2019__ (Changing host) 01.43.25 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.54.34 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@97-114-224-225.sxcy.qwest.net) 01.54.34 Quit advcomp2019 (Changing host) 01.54.34 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.54.37 Quit advcomp2019__ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.55.04 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.57.19 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@c-76-28-198-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 01.59.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.06.03 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 02.06.45 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-33-177-238.hlrn.qwest.net) 02.07.54 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@128.135.100.102) 02.15.56 Quit FOAD (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.17.21 Join FOAD [0] (~dok@83.161.135.61) 02.37.25 Quit GeekShadow (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 02.47.18 Nick kramer3d is now known as d3remark (~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d) 02.57.43 Quit scorche` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.58.38 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 02.59.07 Join keyb_gr_ [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF05E8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.59.58 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.00.08 Nick keyb_gr_ is now known as keyb_gr (~chatzilla@p4FF05E8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.05.23 Quit jfc (Read error: Operation timed out) 03.05.50 Join jfc [0] (~john@static-72-73-80-12.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) 03.13.36 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.21.56 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 03.25.12 Quit efyx (Remote host closed the connection) 03.28.27 Quit xeniter (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.31.43 Quit Judas_PhD (Remote host closed the connection) 03.32.07 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 03.34.35 Quit Judas_PhD (Remote host closed the connection) 03.35.02 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 03.36.43 Quit Judas_PhD (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.37.07 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 03.37.58 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.59.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.04.14 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 04.04.34 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 04.08.34 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 04.13.20 Quit mshathlonxp (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.14.38 Quit Judas_PhD (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.18.29 Join Judas_PhD [0] (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) 04.21.11 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 04.21.20 Join [7] [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.25.57 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 04.28.32 Quit kugelp (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.29.19 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 04.39.04 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 04.41.32 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.41.34 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.41.36 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.42.46 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.42.47 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.43.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.01.01 Quit mikroflops (Quit: <(^_^)>) 05.03.56 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.06.36 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.16.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF20F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.22.57 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@124-197-33-15.callplus.net.nz) 05.24.04 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 05.48.02 Join explodingwalrus_ [0] (~carl@120.180.pn.adsl.brightview.com) 05.48.24 # 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hello 08.03.15 # In the expectation someone will read this sometime - all the gigabeat S daily builds since 5 June are still 5 June. 08.04.29 # The zip files are the correct date, but the contents stuck on 5 June. What is the correct way to flag this? 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12.39.19 # r29992 does not compile as sim build unter ubuntu 12.39.22 # n1s: yes 12.39.52 # on my old notebook it is 21min vs. 11min overall (nano2g arm) 12.40.23 # make depend is ~4x faster, pure compilation ~50% faster 12.40.26 # maybe my fix for debian in r29983 broke ubuntu then? 12.40.54 # r29991 compiles, but with hundreds of warnings 12.41.30 # uh? 12.41.48 Quit hobby16 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.41.55 # seems like the warnings are all about the fPIC stuff 12.42.23 # * n1s is willing to bet they changed some default just for fun 12.42.55 # 1st type of warning 'warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent)' 12.43.29 # 2nd type: 'warning: visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored' 12.43.53 # are you building a sim for windows or something? 12.43.58 # yes 12.44.09 # oh, then i have no idea :) 12.45.36 # btw, building the arm cross compiler only took ~1.5h under ubuntu in virtualbox. with cygwin I remember this was an overnight activity on the same machine 12.45.52 # not sure why it is only 2x for rockbox 12.46.29 # 1.5 hours is still kidna sucky ;) 12.46.40 # you can override the fPIC switch in configure simcc() if you care about it 12.46.42 # at devcon i found my workstation can do it in about six minutes ;) 12.46.47 # it is an old machine :) 12.46.52 # maybe less 12.46.57 # it built all four toolchains in 17 mins 12.47.00 # * n1s remembers building the coldfire crosscompiler in cygwin on his netbook :) 12.47.15 # Well, ok, that wasn't just my workstation actually 12.47.20 # that was using -j100 and a cluster 12.47.23 # i don't remember how long it took though 12.47.40 # i did build rockbox locally though, takes about 40 seconds ;) 12.47.42 # if I get eveything installed properly on my old notebook I might install this on my new one as well. this should be way faster :) 12.47.49 # 40s? 12.47.51 # yeah 12.47.55 # with -j16 12.47.55 # wow 12.48.03 # (my work pc has 16 cores) 12.48.25 # unfortunately i could't cluster build rockbox as the cluster doesn't have copies of our crosscompilers ;) 12.48.35 # with -j8 it takes ~8min (cygwin under win7 though) 12.48.36 # :( 12.48.52 # i dunno that rockbox is big enough to be noticably faster with -j higher than 16 12.49.10 # more than a hundred or so doesn't help on the cluster either as your local machine becomes the bottleneck :) 12.50.07 # cool, the win-simulator built under ubuntu works on XP :) 12.50.10 # goo news 12.50.13 # good 12.54.17 # * Torne ponders just using something obviously invalid for people's emails if they haven't committed in years 13.01.55 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 13.06.10 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-218-248.t-mobile.co.uk) 13.07.03 # Buschel: Windows host? If so, try VMware - it should work better than virtualbox 13.08.08 # On a linux host it's the opposite, unless you go with an old(ish) kernel for the host. Getting the vmware kernel modules to build for a recent kernel can be a pita 13.08.16 # amiconn: yes, windows host. Is VMWare really better? I was searching for comparisons and VirtualBox was often winning over VMWare -- especially regarding performance 13.08.51 # In my experience it is, especially if you also need usb 13.09.46 # There are configurations where even vmware usb won't work though, e.g. it doesn't seem to like usb 3.0 host controllers yet 13.10.48 # did you use VirtualBox as well? 13.11.04 # Yes, although not on my box, and not for building rockbox 13.11.15 Quit Judas_PhD (Quit: This is a quitting message) 13.11.44 # I got it to hog the host cpu more than once, by just trying to pass through usb devices 13.12.30 # so, you do not have any comparison of compile times... 13.12.37 # VM frozen, host almost unusable. Even bringing up task manager to kill virtualbox took a while - on a box with 4GB RAM 13.12.58 # No 13.14.50 # I had no real issues so far. VirtualBox is running quite smooth and the XP host did not hang up, block or lag 13.14.50 # Well, you can try. Nothing stops you from running more than one app-type hypervisor on the same host. You may or may not be able to run them at the same time though if your cpu has vt or amd-v support though - that depends on the hypervisor's behaviour 13.15.53 # And cloning & converting a linux vm should be easier than an xp vm 13.19.37 Join mshathlonxp [0] (~athlonmpp@5ad7b04e.bb.sky.com) 13.20.00 # maybe I'll just install VMPlayer and make a testrun with the debian image from our site 13.20.12 # just to compare the compile performance 13.20.59 # * mshathlonxp just got noname iPod FM transmitter with remote control and remote control works like everything in "ipod accesories" page - some controls works, some don't 13.21.00 Quit promyloph (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.21.13 # why it is like that? 13.21.27 # nobody wants to make that happen? 13.21.48 # there are not that many active developers with ipod accessories 13.22.28 # is it that really hard? 13.22.33 # * mshathlonxp looks at the remote 13.22.40 # around 5 buttons doesn't work 13.22.51 # no, but you can't safely commit stuff if you can't test it yourself 13.22.53 # It needs someone who has both the skills *and* the hardware 13.23.39 # * mshathlonxp unfortunately has only hardware but no programming skills at all 13.23.42 # and anything related to button mappings is controversial by default :) 13.23.56 # why? 13.25.09 # because it seems everyone has their own idea about it and considers it superior to other people's opinions :) 13.25.24 # does the remote have controls that are not on the ipod itself? 13.25.46 # not mine 13.25.52 # ok, power button isn't present on ipod :) 13.26.36 # otherwise the ones not working are enter, up, down, menu and back forward not working in menus 13.26.56 # I guess the same goes for other accesories 13.27.45 # If you can get those to work just like the ordinary buttons and post a patch, I think it'll get accepted into SVN (or git) quite easily 13.28.11 # unfortunately, as I said, I don't have any programming skills :( 13.28.25 # * mshathlonxp is laughing 13.28.36 # I guess I can't even add my transmitter to ipod accesories page 13.28.37 # :D 13.28.41 # because it's noname 13.28.41 # :D 13.30.21 # IAP support is quite primitive now, and could get a lot better with e.g. more debug info about an accessory 13.30.48 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13.31.02 # Part of the IAP protocol is that accessories identify themselves and tell the ipod their capabilities 13.38.55 Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 13.47.52 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 13.59.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.00.10 Quit Buschel (Remote host closed the connection) 14.00.24 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF029D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.17.01 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@50.105.131.124) 14.17.01 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 14.17.01 Join froggyman [0] (~seth@unaffiliated/froggyman) 14.32.20 Join xeniter [0] (~xeniter@cpe90-146-47-34.liwest.at) 14.35.10 Join timccc [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 14.37.40 Part timccc 14.37.46 Quit GeekShadow (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 14.44.30 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A39DFE.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.46.22 # amiconn: Debian under VMPlayer is a faster (8min compile time) compared to Ubuntu under VirtualBox (10min) 14.46.38 # <- pure compile time 14.48.34 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 14.49.58 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 14.51.57 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.208) 15.01.22 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.01.30 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@124-197-33-15.callplus.net.nz) 15.02.52 # * Buschel will now install Ubuntu in VMWare 15.03.28 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 15.09.34 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.13.17 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.34) 15.25.31 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 15.31.59 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 15.43.28 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 15.48.30 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 15.59.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.03.38 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection timed out) 16.04.15 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 16.04.15 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 16.04.15 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.11.08 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830]) 16.14.24 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 16.14.45 Quit stripwax (Changing host) 16.14.45 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 16.22.07 # hum, the external sd card on fuze+ seems to respond but not the internal eMMC flash, what am I doing wrong .???? 16.30.12 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 16.30.29 Quit evilnick (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16.32.53 # arg, the explaination might be sd vs mmc 16.34.01 # Do we have a device with MMC storage ? (and NOT SD) 16.34.24 # yes 16.34.28 # The Ondios 16.34.59 # They don't use the MMC protocol though, but SPI 16.35.42 # The bridge does use the MMC protocol though (actually it can do SD too), but that's something we cannot even monitor, just switch to 16.36.29 # ok 16.36.55 # I see that our storage system has both sd and mmc, what is the difference there ? 16.38.09 # hi pamaury 16.38.31 # pamaury: most MMC specific stuff I've seen is actually about ondio specific 16.38.36 # TheLemonMan: hi 16.39.25 Join ReimuHakurei_ [0] (~reimu@74.112.212.15) 16.40.06 Quit ReimuHakurei (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.40.38 # i tried your code on my player, the usb part kinda worked as the kernel gives various io errors when plugging in it 16.41.06 # i guess the boards aren't the same at all or you're using some special tricks 16.41.13 # which code did you try ? 16.41.40 # recovery_loader in your github 16.41.43 # omg 16.41.47 # this code is rather old :) 16.41.57 # and the usb part is extremely hacky :) 16.42.45 # what io errors ? I mean, there is no storage code in recovery_loader... 16.42.48 # so it's normal 16.44.40 # device descriptor read/64, error -71 16.45.31 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 16.45.37 # ah, strange 16.45.55 # this is not normal :) Do you upload the code via usb ? 16.46.13 Quit ReimuHakurei_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16.46.19 # yup, i merged the first part of samsung bootloader and your code 16.46.41 # hum, perhaps the bootloader changes the usb settings 16.47.07 # my code relies on the usb clocks to be perfectly ok (which is sensible since you upload via usb first) 16.47.17 # sadly there are no references to the usb registers in both the bootloaders 16.47.36 # i fear that everything is initialized by the linux kernel 16.47.45 # so it means it should work, if you indeed have the same usb controller 16.49.25 # you have a stmp3700 right ? 16.53.16 # do you know if the bootloader changes the PLL ? 16.53.49 # yep it's a 3700 16.54.25 # i gave up on bootloader reversing as there were hundreds of unknown writes 16.54.50 # but PLLs will be adjusted for sure at bootup 16.55.20 # then it might explain the thing. If the bootloader changes the pll and the usb clock is derived from it, it will probably be wrong 16.57.56 # hum, actually I don't know how the usb clock is derived, I need to check that 16.58.37 # doesn't the fuze bootloader adjust the clock too ? 16.59.38 # I don't remember :) 17.00.21 # "the bootloader" has several stages and I'm only using two of them so I don't remember but it's plausible. I believe the usb phy might have it's own pll so the problem is elsewhere 17.00.50 Join wtachi [0] (~wtachi@cpe-065-190-012-236.nc.res.rr.com) 17.02.08 # can you paste the output of the kernel ? 17.02.15 # (the relevant part) 17.02.45 # the problem is that usb isnt setup in the bootloader so i cant even take a look :| 17.03.08 # normally you don't need since the usb controller is perfectly documented 17.03.33 # the datasheet often doesnt match the disassembly 17.05.07 # http://www.pastie.org/2052441 17.05.07 # heres the kernel output, it's just the same error repeated all over the log 17.05.07 # but the usb core is not designed by freescale, it is unlikely that it doesn't match. For the rest, I don't know 17.05.21 # pamaury, I think at least some of the descriptor tables (CSD) is different between sd and mmc 17.05.59 # many sd and mmc commands seem very similar, but the devil is probably in the details 17.06.27 # TheLemonMan: you could do some test: print something everytime INT_USB_CTRL(usb.c) is fired and print status at the same time. See if the usb core works at least 17.06.44 # heh, the screen doesnt work 17.06.57 # ah, I forgot that 17.07.06 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@g231121068.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.07.06 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 17.07.06 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 17.07.25 Join promyloph [0] (~foo@unaffiliated/promyloph) 17.07.55 # why do you want usb for ? 17.07.56 # OTOH, the linux kernel has basically unified the sd and mmc support IIRC 17.09.30 # mainly for peek/poke support 17.09.38 # TheLemonMan: you said that the code downloaded by BitBurner did work yes ? 17.10.20 # i guess, many of the registers were zeroes 17.10.21 Quit bluebrother-bot (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.10.22 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17.10.51 # did you try to reverse it ? It must contain some usb code 17.11.41 # I can do it if you prefer, see if it matches 17.14.33 # im having some big problems with ida lately 17.14.53 # it kept screwing up everything i loaded 17.15.24 # ok, I'll do it, shouldn't be too long since the code is short 17.15.32 # I'll send you the files afterwards 17.17.22 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.17.30 # i don't even know how to thank you enough 17.19.14 # no worry, I'll be happy if it helps you :) 17.20.17 Join Topy [0] (~Topy44@f049208142.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.20.22 # are you using ida too ? 17.20.45 # yes 17.21.20 Join bluebrother-bot [0] (~bluebroth@g231121068.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.21.30 # 5.2 i guess :) 17.23.25 Quit T44 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17.24.27 # I'm just thinking about it now; if you have the tools, you might as well use the uart instead of usb for debugging but that requires that you open it and know where are the pins... 17.29.27 # sadly i have no soldering skills at all 17.30.33 # once i tried to take out the lcd off the 3600 board i had and i destroyed both the screen and the flat cable 17.31.40 # oh, that's why you don't have the screen ? 17.31.43 Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org) 17.32.24 # that was the 3600 board from my zvp, now im working on a 3700 :) 17.32.40 # mshathlonxp, what ipod do you use with your accessory 17.33.03 # ah true, 3600 is not 3700, I'm stupid 17.33.03 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection timed out) 17.33.50 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 17.33.50 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 17.33.50 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 17.34.31 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: The quality of my life is going straight up now that i have a shotgun.) 17.39.15 # AlexP, bluebrother: for the next release, it would be nice to have a new AMSv2 bootloader. For some people the current bootloader doesn't work, while the SVN one does. 17.41.49 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.208) 17.42.09 Nick kugel is now known as kugelp (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.57.16 Quit promyloph (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 17.59.24 # TheLemonMan: I might be wrong but perhaps the pitc code loaded by bitburner references the bltc bootloader rom which is mapped at the top of the address space 17.59.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.59.36 # I'll check this theory in a minute on my fuze+ 17.59.57 # yep, that movn 0xb was a clear pointer to the reset area 18.00.03 # s/area/vectors/ 18.01.55 Join ReimuHakurei [0] (~reimu@74.112.212.15) 18.08.09 # hum no, I think that 0xFFFFFFF4 is the address of a kind of api table; the code first read at 0xFFFFFFF4 which gives 0x6xxx on my device, which is in the rom patch area (basically the rom code ram) which probably contains some pointer to interesting functions 18.09.03 # it is probably necessary to dump the ROM to understand this code :-/ 18.09.56 # the good part is that it seems that this rom code has a way to "install" some usb handler 18.10.08 # you might want to use that facility 18.10.16 # ill reverse all this shit and try to get something out 18.10.28 # im already facing some unknown fields but meh 18.10.41 # the thing is that you have no way of dumping the rom 18.12.49 # I could dump mine to see what those rom function do, this way you could just install some code like pitc and you don't have to rewrite any usb code :) 18.13.13 # that would be cool 18.13.26 # all this stuff reminds me of pc bios, bleh 18.14.17 # give me some more time, I'll go a bit further in the reversing of this code to understand it and then I'll try to dump my rom 18.16.41 # im reversing this too :) 18.17.07 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 18.26.54 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4D932.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.32.16 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 18.44.55 # at 0xA68 looks like theres a SCSI command handler 18.46.22 # it seems that it handles several packets but I don't scsi enough to tell. It indeeds looks like scsi (sense, unit ready, ...) 18.46.27 # *know 18.47.10 # the code is not super clear without the rom, it seems that the BLTC loader provide a set of function to send/recv data too 18.47.42 # there are too much structs passed here and there :) 18.48.08 # I have a few ones but they are extremely incomplete 18.49.25 # bertrik: As far as tghe release goes it doesn't really matter, as in they are not tied together so if you would like to push out a new bootloader in the next two weeks then that would be great :) 18.51.46 # it would a bit weird that it uses some scsi command via HID :-/ 18.53.48 # theres enough weirdness already in the code, im not surprised anymore heh 18.54.12 # ok, I'll dump the rom now 19.04.53 # done, let's see :) 19.13.06 # bertrik 5G video 19.13.22 # do you think there would be any difference with 1G nano? 19.14.00 # mshathlonxp, I don't know, I don't have any ipods myself 19.15.28 # well, the situation basically is as described with ~ all items here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodAccessories 19.16.00 # buttons intended for use in wps works but not buttons intended for navigation outside wps 19.17.54 Quit ender| (Quit: "Care must be exorcised when handring Opiticar System as it is apts to be sticked by dusts and hand-fat." -- Japanese Translators | "Keep your fingers off the lens." -- English Translator) 19.18.58 # hm, indeed it seems that up/down/left/right on the remote has specific button codes associated that identify them as remote buttons, not as general up/down/left/right buttons 19.19.38 Quit ReimuHakurei (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.19.55 # dunno about left right because I don't have such buttons 19.20.40 # hm 19.20.47 # play/pause in menus works like select 19.21.05 # in main menu 19.21.29 # when in other menus, it works like play should work 19.23.20 # sub_2444 is an evil optimized memcpy D: so easy to write and so hard to recognize 19.25.27 # TheLemonMan: I have my rom, interested ? 19.25.41 # sure 19.41.37 Join ReimuHakurei [0] (~reimu@74.112.212.15) 19.48.09 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.56.09 # Ok, I'll go back to some fuze+ hacking 19.56.41 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.59.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.00.14 Join tripelb [0] (~tripelb@cpe-98-149-128-99.socal.res.rr.com) 20.03.22 # hi - I have a sansa fuze and I put rockbox on it. It is not good. I have music in 3 different places, music I had on it before and music I have never seen (in 2 places). I have 3 copies of the same test pictures (thumbnails) in 3 different places. It looks like an abandoned project. -- This is looking from a computer. When I go to music I cant see my music. It's a mess. -- Any suggestions? (This is a fuze v.1.) Maybe I'd like to go 20.03.22 # back to the original? Is that even possible? Suggestions? 20.04.27 # You can uninstall if you want, see the manual 20.04.39 # All the music it is finding, I assume you are using the database? 20.04.44 # All that music is there 20.04.49 # "the manual" is the rockbox manual? 20.05.03 # You have copied it over in one USB mode or another, MTP or UMS 20.05.04 # hi AlexP thanks 20.05.18 # of course, the sansa manual doesn't tell you how to uninstall Rockbox :) 20.05.22 # The music is found by using the file browser on my computer. 20.05.48 # Rockbox doesn't put on or remove any music 20.05.55 # Whatever is on there is down to you 20.05.55 # I'm using Ubuntu. MTP. The install instructions were explicit. ^ | ^ 20.06.18 # The install instructions explicitly say use UMS 20.06.22 # not MTP 20.06.33 # interesting. I have music in 3 different plance. Music I never heard of. All my music is in one place. 20.06.43 # Then it was on there when you bought it 20.06.46 # Maybe I have it backwards then. 20.06.47 # Delete it, do whatever 20.06.54 # Nothing to do with us :) 20.07.24 # Inetersting. I can wonder about the music on my own. 20.07.37 # Just copy stuff over wherever you want using MSC/UMS 20.07.51 # Then either browse to it using the file browser, or initialise the database and use that 20.08.14 # AlexP, I do not have the ability to fast forward through a song or a lecture that I have recorded. Is there any way I can get that capacity, either on the fuze system or the rockbox system. This is what I am looking for. 20.08.27 # eh? 20.08.31 # I can deal with anything else. 20.08.36 # Both Rockbox and the OF let you ffwd songs... 20.09.04 # really? 20.09.08 # of course 20.09.15 # This is a very basic function of a music player 20.09.23 # In Rockbox just hold left while playing 20.09.25 # I'm not dumb. I can do it on an ipod 20.09.28 # er, right 20.09.37 Join rdd [0] (~user@c83-250-52-16.bredband.comhem.se) 20.09.37 # OK I'll try it. Thanks. 20.09.41 # Well, unless you enable party mode 20.09.54 # right, check that isn't on 20.10.00 # stupid option :) 20.10.06 # but that won't affect the OF 20.10.40 # I have no idea what I am looking at in any of the various ways of looking at the screen. There are all kinds of "litttle icons" at the bottom of the screen that are unknown and useless. 20.10.44 # and tiny 20.11.02 # what is OF ? 20.11.11 # Original firmware 20.11.18 # thanks 20.11.22 # You have writing on the screen 20.11.28 # These are menus 20.11.37 # You press up and down to select the different lines 20.11.43 # right, below the menus there are things 20.11.52 # Ignore those for now, then read the manual 20.12.07 # I'll disconnect the fuze from my computer and I will look at it. 20.12.14 # well yes 20.12.22 # OK I'll do that alexp 20.12.25 # You can't use Rockbox when connected to a PC... 20.12.28 # I'll know more then. 20.12.36 # I'm not trying to. 20.12.54 # I'll be back... 20.12.59 # OK 20.12.59 # ty 20.13.03 # no worries 20.19.51 Quit keyb_gr (Remote host closed the connection) 20.21.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@c-68-61-166-99.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.21.57 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 20.21.57 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 20.22.52 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4D932.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.23.00 Join ender| [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 20.28.58 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20.29.12 # is there a reason installToolchain.sh doesn't only install the required SDk version? 20.33.22 Quit ender| (Quit: It's a good thing money can't buy happiness. 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The idea that a human being should always be accessible to a computer.) 22.27.09 Join ender| [0] (~ender1@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 22.27.57 # I tried to build the simulator and this failed with quite some error: ‘sim_...' undeclared messages. Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong/unsupported? 22.29.56 # ukleinek: which OS are you building on, and which simulator are you building? 22.31.40 # gevaerts: mostly Debian/squeeze 22.32.19 # gevaerts: I selected 200 in configure. Does that answer your question? 22.32.55 # Ah, right. Simulators of application builds likely won't work. You probably want the normal build there 22.35.31 # * ukleinek tries 22.37.57 # gevaerts: we should probably get around to removing simulator as an option from the android build - it doesn't make a lot of sense to me 22.38.13 # * gevaerts nods 22.41.42 Join HaimN [0] (~quassel@95.86.113.168) 22.42.15 # we should also consider removing the manual as build option -- it doesn't make sense anymore as well (you need to run make manual-pdf anyway) 22.43.04 # well volunteered that man 22.43.21 # * bluebrother puts yet another thing on his todo list :) 22.43.24 Join Szeraax [0] (~63344f07@giant.haxx.se) 22.43.41 # gevaerts: works better 22.44.16 # hmm, now configure for Android works on Cygwin. It doesn't build though. 22.45.08 Quit Szeraax (Client Quit) 22.51.49 Join HaimN_ [0] (~quassel@95.86.113.168) 22.52.32 # hmm, Cygwin is really annoying. 22.52.41 # especially when interacting with non-cygwin programs 22.52.48 Join {phoenix} [0] (~dirk@p5DF2C5AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.53.05 Join mshaxp [0] (~athlonmpp@5ad7b04e.bb.sky.com) 22.53.08 # hmm, the simulator cannot playback mp3s? 22.53.15 # it can 22.53.19 Quit mshathlonxp (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.53.28 Quit HaimN (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.53.57 # bluebrother: when I click on an mp3 in the file dialog I get a short view on the playback mode and then get back instantly in the file view 22.54.20 # maybe I'm missing some libs for mp3 playback? 22.54.44 # did you run make install? 22.54.58 # ups 22.55.29 Quit preglow (Changing host) 22.55.29 Join preglow [0] (thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 22.56.23 Nick mshaxp is now known as msh (~athlonmpp@5ad7b04e.bb.sky.com) 22.56.27 Quit HaimN_ (Client Quit) 22.56.30 Nick msh is now known as mshathlonxp (~athlonmpp@5ad7b04e.bb.sky.com) 22.56.53 Join HaimN [0] (~quassel@95.86.113.168) 23.00.55 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B6671B.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.03.12 # * ukleinek tried to register a user for the wiki to fix a typo and got a warning about his browser sending a "suspicious change request". Is that normal? 23.03.28 Join dan_a [0] (dan_a@217.23.173.156) 23.03.38 # Yes. 23.03.51 # Just tell it you're sure 23.04.07 Quit Buschel (Client Quit) 23.04.30 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B6671B.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.04.35 # hmm, the wiki doesn't like umlauts in the Wikiname 23.06.57 # ah, no, it doesn't like the - in my name 23.07.30 # now it says I should ask here to be added to the WikiUsersGroup. 23.07.46 # my accountname is UweKleinekoenig 23.10.10 Join Panasonic [0] (~chatzilla@ip-2-202-45-69.web.vodafone.de) 23.10.18 # long live the little king 23.11.11 # * ukleinek just ignores the umteenth person making jokes about his name 23.11.23 # * gevaerts heads to WikiUsersGroup 23.12.31 # ukleinek: if I didn't do anything wrong, you should now be able to edit 23.12.51 # the root in the player is / not the simdisk folder, right? 23.13.16 # You mean in non-simulator? yes 23.14.06 # gevaerts: ah, I forgot I didn't run a simulator anymore 23.17.09 Quit FoH (Quit: probably futile attempt to rectify my clock problem ; reboot to the head, after 749d 03:54'34) 23.18.42 Quit Panasonic (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830]) 23.20.26 Join edx [0] (~edx@p5DE954EB.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.27.26 # can you estimate the effort to get a rk27xx based player up and running? 23.28.11 # hm, the 180 doesn't compile 23.28.47 # tries to compile apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c, that looks wrong 23.29.05 Quit edx (Quit: leaving) 23.32.36 Join FoH [0] (~foh@adsl-98-83-152-100.bhm.bellsouth.net) 23.35.50 # why does http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GitVersionControl suggest to still use git-svn? 23.36.09 # ukleinek: have you seen this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Rockchip27xxPort 23.36.45 # saratoga: no, I searched the wiki, but missed that 23.45.27 Quit shai (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.55.18 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.55.30 Quit avacore (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.57.02 Join avacore [0] (~avacore@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk)