--- Log for 14.09.111 Server: hitchcock.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 3 hours ago 00.03.07 Quit dfkt|n (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.05.27 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 00.05.44 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.05.47 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.06.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.07.55 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-218-237.t-mobile.co.uk) 00.18.04 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-76-25-32-116.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.25.18 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.29.50 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 00.30.25 Part Zagor 00.31.28 Join mystica555_ [0] (~mike@c-76-25-32-116.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.34.03 Quit ChickeNE_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.35.15 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.37.46 # I've found a nice way of putting the fuze+ into a strange state: reset the pinctrl block :) 00.40.53 Quit ender1 (Quit: The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit. -- Richard Pryor) 00.48.54 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.49.08 # Weird, if I boot the main rockbox binary from the bootloader, it hangs at irq enabling but if I run it directly, it works 00.49.22 Join rtr54g9 [0] (18a85889@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.168.88.137) 00.50.13 # Well attempting to modify it myself didn't work. Can somebody help me modify the dualboot function of the Sansa Clip+ bootloader so I can boot into Rockbox on usb connect? 00.50.15 # pamaury: you need to disable individual interrupts at startup perhaps? 00.50.29 # pamaury: i suppose running rockbox directly and then using rolo would fail as well 00.51.25 # I found the culprit: I needed to reset the interrupt controller, otherwise it seems that it would flood the cpu even with all interrupts disable 00.51.35 # now it works \o/ 00.51.36 # rtr54g9: delete everything from line 251 to 316 00.51.46 # nice 00.52.05 # funman: that's exactly what I did. It doesn't boot RB. 00.52.13 # Does that mean bootloader issue then? 00.52.49 # it means you didn't rebuild/use mkamsboot correctly i guess 00.54.11 # Made the change, compiled it, used it as per the manual installation instructions 00.56.07 # you could help pamaury finish fuze+ port 00.56.15 # and then bug him to finish amsv2 usb :) 00.57.10 # I tried to work on it this summer, convinced that there is subtle link between usb and sd, but I've been unable to find out 00.59.03 # did we find a close match for the hw in linux drivers? 00.59.14 # for the usb driver ? 00.59.17 # yes 00.59.36 # yes, actually I'm pretty sure the problem has nothing to do with the driver itself 00.59.58 # the problem probably has to do with the init part 01.00.17 # because of this strange fact: with an sd card inserted it works, without it doesn't 01.00.23 # hm 01.00.29 # a voltage problem? 01.00.37 # no idea 01.00.40 # i.e. if too much power goes to the SD 01.00.43 # perhaps a clock one 01.01.31 # no that would be the reverse: currently you need to have sd inserted to make it work 01.02.44 # but perhaps sd enable some hardware, like resistors or a regulator or ... I'm not an electronic guy and usb is quite complicated at the hardware level 01.03.05 # (Clip+) If the bootloader attempted to boot RB and failed, would it just quietly fallback to OF? 01.03.12 # no 01.03.33 # What would happen then? 01.03.40 # pamaury: did you try to run some SD init? 01.03.48 # rtr54g9: error message, see bootloader/sansa_as3525.c 01.04.14 # yes but I wasn't able to make it work, although I must admit I didn't go too far in this direction 01.04.55 # it would be interesting to see if there is a difference between sd inserted but *not* initialized and sd inserted and initialized 01.04.57 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.10.19 Quit rtr54g9 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.13.42 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Connection reset by deer.) 01.13.42 # fuck, I can't make the .init section work 01.15.03 Quit Utchybann (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.15.39 Join Utchybann [0] (~Utchy@rps6752.ovh.net) 01.16.37 Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.16.46 Join soap [0] (~soap@94.75.232.194) 01.16.46 Quit soap (Changing host) 01.16.46 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.17.12 # finally found out, I've managed to run into all the most unlikely cases tonigh 01.34.23 Quit funman (Quit: leaving) 01.38.10 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30521): imx233/fuze+: rework linker script to load the bootloader at ram start + 1Mb to leave a load for the firmware 01.38.43 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30522): imx233/fuze+: use random size for plugin and codec buf (must be non-zero for init attr) 01.38.46 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30523): imx233/fuze+: fix ctr0 to use a fresh stack and update firmware linker script 01.38.50 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30524): imx233/fuze+: add more interrupts, rewrite block resetting, reset icoll on boot (useful for firmware) 01.38.53 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30525): imx233/fuze+: reset ssp block correctly, define maximum ssp transfer size 01.38.57 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30526): imx233/fuze+: reset dma block correctly and define maximum transfer size 01.39.00 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30527): imx233/fuze+: define sd stub 01.39.06 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30528): imx233/fuze+: define mmc stubs, correctly handle ssp maximum transfer size, correctly handle flash size (including windowing) 01.39.12 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30529): imx233/fuze+: correctly reset timrot block 01.39.16 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30530): imx233/fuze+: fix prototype 01.39.19 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30531): imx233/fuze+: correctly lcdif block 01.39.24 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30532): imx233/fuze+: fix default init code (define lcd kind as 9325 and do 7783 init !) 01.40.07 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30533): imx233/fuze+: implement power management stubs 01.40.10 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30534): imx233/fuze+: implement lradc function and adc on top of it 01.40.14 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30535): imx233/fuze+: implement various audio stubs and update source 01.40.17 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30536): imx233/fuze+: correctly reset i2c block 01.40.21 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30537): imx233/fuze+: add charger related defines 01.40.25 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30538): imx233/fuze+: add buggy and unfinished keymap 01.40.29 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30539): imx233/fuze+: remove useless file 01.40.30 # r30521 build result: All green 01.41.23 Join rtr54g1 [0] (18a85889@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.168.88.137) 01.42.26 # hopefully I'm getting closer to something usable on fuze+ 01.42.34 # r30538 build result: All green 01.44.38 # r30539 build result: All green 01.44.55 Quit MethoS- (Remote host closed the connection) 01.45.07 # Alright, one more time. Can somebody help me remove USB checking from mkamsboot's dualboot? I removed the lines funman told me to. compiled it and flashed the patched bin. It still boots to OF on USB insert. I just compiled it again. Same result. 01.45.14 # There's gotta be a simple way to do this 01.45.42 # invert it? 01.46.00 # Excuse me? 01.46.14 # I mean are you trying to invert the check or disable it completely 01.46.20 # Disable it 01.46.26 # I want to boot RB on USB insert 01.46.46 # there was an entry in svn where it was made to default to rb at some point, but not sure that was in the amsboot 01.46.46 # I removed lines 251-317 on the dualboot.S file 01.46.48 # Didn't work 01.47.31 # Yeah I saw somebody mention they uploaded a patch to flyleaf. I search it for an hour and didn't find it. 01.47.35 # Can't find anything in the SVN 01.47.54 # funman is one of the people who best know the bootloader, and tweaking the amsv2 bootloader is kind of dangerous if you don't know what you are doing :-/ 01.48.40 # I did what he told me to already. I looked through the file and it seems like that's all that needs to be done. When he confirmed I compiled it like that. 01.48.45 # It still boots OF on USB insert 01.49.18 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 01.55.25 Quit rtr54g1 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.06.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.08.46 Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org) 02.13.40 Join lgm [0] (~phobos@c-69-242-134-60.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) 02.16.51 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@p57B57640.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.16.51 Quit Horschti (Changing host) 02.16.51 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 02.17.29 Quit fwee (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.17.30 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.21.26 Quit mc2739 (Quit: leaving) 02.27.05 Join milk [0] (~milk@94-193-93-226.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 02.34.18 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 02.34.20 Quit mc2739 (Client Quit) 02.52.49 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.59.37 Join Randyl9ll [0] (~androirc@90.sub-97-154-12.myvzw.com) 03.00.23 Quit lgm (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.01.08 # !hunt 03.01.21 Quit Randyl9ll (Client Quit) 03.06.22 # scorche - VPN blocked by forums - time to deal with it? 03.12.18 Join heath [0] (~43adf899@www.haxx.se) 03.13.21 Quit heath (Client Quit) 03.26.42 Quit nick-p (Quit: Leaving) 03.35.24 Join juri_ [0] (~juri@24.248.213.223) 03.35.44 # hmm. my ipod nano 1g blew up, with todays rockbox. 03.36.02 # 'Data abort at 00061BDC (0)' 03.36.18 # and its not turning off. what do i have to do to shut this thing down? 03.37.16 # hold select and play 03.38.05 Quit Llorean (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.38.55 # mmm. not working. 03.39.09 # err, select+menu 03.39.12 # rtfm 03.39.32 # thank you kindly. :) 03.39.44 # wow. does that each boot. 03.40.09 # just started happening? 03.40.25 # yepyep. i filled the filesystem. probably my fault. 03.40.46 # completly full? 03.41.05 # yea. tried to scp in too much stuff. 03.41.37 # scanning disk... then boom. 03.46.31 # yay dual-boot. the apple firmware exists... 03.48.25 # ah. it helps to unload all the music i inherited, on the device. 03.52.32 Quit parafin (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.52.39 # grr. that didn't fix it. 03.53.01 # can you compile your own build? or using builds from the website? 03.53.11 # i used the daily build for it. 03.53.46 # i guess its time o re-install todays build. it booted fine once. 03.53.56 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 03.54.50 # that is probably a real bug though 03.55.38 # annoyingly I can do a build for you right now which would help figure out what the 61BDC number means 03.56.54 # I'm good with going through some debugging steps. 03.57.48 # only if you're interested, tho. 03.58.41 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 03.58.59 # you need to be able to build it yourself 03.59.28 # actually, gimme a few min and ill se if i can build for oyu 03.59.42 # mm. i'll set this aside, and do it tomorrow at freegeek, then. 04.01.13 # gimme 3 min :) 04.01.17 # nano1g? 04.01.57 # yepyep. 04.02.15 # just bought it today, with cables and a cover. $30. 04.05.56 # ok, grab http://jdgordon.info/rockbox/rockbox-nano1g.zip 04.06.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.11.21 # ok, grabbed it. how do i get the utility to install it? 04.11.30 # just extract it to your ipod 04.12.10 # kk. done. rebooting... 04.13.01 # well, that changed the number. 04.13.06 # good :) 04.13.11 # whats the number? 04.13.12 # data abort at 00000002 (0). 04.13.18 # ah lame :/ 04.13.32 # looks pretty lame. ;) 04.13.54 # when was the last build that worked? 04.14.09 # todays did. for one boot. 04.14.46 # delete the .rockbox/config.cfg and .rockbox/nvram.bin files and see if that fixes it 04.14.50 # (yes, i'm umounting, and syncing before unplugging) 04.17.08 # still no go. 04.17.15 # tried each individually. 04.17.57 # crap, last thing i can suggest is trying each of the builds from http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano1g/ and let us know which is the one which breaks 04.18.22 # but... this one worked. for one boot. ;P 04.18.39 # dont do each in a row though, that will take ages... try the first, the the middle on if the first worked 04.18.44 # let me try uninstalling, and re-installing. 04.18.56 # thats unlikly to fix anything 04.26.26 # well, stable looks like it worked. now to extract a daily... 04.30.30 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 04.53.12 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.53.12 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.53.34 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.54.33 Quit amiconn (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.54.55 Join amiconn [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.00.20 Join heath [0] (~43adf899@www.haxx.se) 05.00.24 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.01.04 Join [7] [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.03.06 # When connecting my fuze with rockbox 3.9.1 it seems to disconnect quite often 05.05.16 Quit heath (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 05.06.25 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng258.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 05.08.05 Join heath [0] 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Activating AAC-HE SBR will not work on Sansa Clip v1. 08.02.31 # r30540 build result: All green 08.03.17 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.05.38 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-211-209-55.hlrn.qwest.net) 08.06.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.10.27 # oops, of course my comment should have been about rolling back *r30510* ... 08.12.59 Join God_Eater [0] (93722cc8@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.13.04 # I'll find the bug i'm running into in the morning. 08.13.23 # this is a great way to epose one of my students to rockbox, and bug hunting. 08.13.59 # Thanks for the excelent work, and the good support. ;) 08.14.30 Quit Unhelpful (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.15.54 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 08.17.04 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.19.17 # Zagor: hey, any chance we can lock you and Torne in a windowless room to get git done? :) local FS corruption means i think I lost some work :( 08.20.50 # yeah, I was actually just looking into gerrit 08.20.59 # heh 08.21.04 # well i am in a different timezone now 08.21.09 # so that probably doesn't help 08.22.15 # also, did anyone come to a descision about having a semi-official readonly github repo? 08.22.43 # pushing 120MB to them is slow :) 08.24.49 # not really, no 08.25.09 # JdGordon: I can't see how it'd hurt, so I guess I'm for it. 08.25.54 # if it lowers the resistance to contributing for even one person, that's a win in my book 08.26.14 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-212-25.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.26.44 # the rockbox username is already taken, should i just grab rockbox-official and leave it untill our git is going? 08.26.55 # or just completly leave it till then? 08.27.21 # Zagor: my concern was mostly that it creates duplicate places to do a bunch of things 08.28.13 # (and the "default" github workflow is kinda the opposite of the default gerrit workflow) 08.28.29 # as long as we make it clear its read only and we ignore pull requests there it shouldnt cause a problem? 08.29.41 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08.30.03 # If we're not going to allow use of any of the features of github that make it interesting, then why have it, though? 08.30.13 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@www.haxx.se) 08.30.13 Quit Bagder (Changing host) 08.30.14 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.30.30 # to make it easier for the people that do want to use it? 08.31.07 # wasnt the argument based around people wanting to push WIP branches *somewhere* 08.31.23 # and then they'll have to push all th esame stuff again when they want it to go in.. 08.31.45 # or squash their commits, or whatever 08.32.19 # JdGordon: not really.. you can have that on gerrit, if you like 08.32.58 # I readily admit I don't have enough knowledge to have a very firm opinion 08.34.26 # JdGordon: i would rather see us try and use things we can control first 08.34.35 # Torne: ok, if gerrit gives us that then yeah no need 08.34.39 # indeed 08.34.42 # we can start mirroring it anywhere, any time 08.34.51 # if we feel we need to 08.34.59 # JdGordon: you can set ACLs that include the user's name in the refname 08.35.12 # so you can give people permission to push to refs/personal//* 08.35.16 # or whatever. 08.35.36 # they wouldn't technically even need ot be committers. 08.36.02 # i think you can even let them set other ACLs on the ref 08.36.12 # so they can let other people share branches and so on 08.36.25 # not sure. 08.36.27 # if we only allow that for commiters then yes github makes sense, but if we allow a free for all then that seems like a much better idea 08.36.47 # then we just need to worry about quotas 08.36.55 # Well, no more than you do anyway, is the thing 08.36.59 # Refs are refs 08.37.17 # if you allow peple to push changes for review you are already basically allowing them to use up fairly arbitrary amounts of server resouces if they really try hard 08.37.32 # they're just pushing commits, in both cases 08.37.39 # fair enough\ 08.38.02 # It's more that you might not want to allow it because it encourages a way of working that may not be ideal 08.38.08 # but that's subject to debate 08.38.19 # oh goody! 08.38.24 # we like debates here :p 08.38.25 # heh 08.38.51 # anyway, i am not in a great hurry to set up a github mirror 08.39.01 # there's probably no point doing it until we are actually using git for real work 08.39.17 # since until then there is still a hypothetical possibility that we might rewrite history further :p 08.39.35 # of course 08.40.31 # whats actually needed to get the ball rolling? 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I guess 600mA is the maximum charge current, and 3.7V ? 12.28.28 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-212-25.sa.bigpond.net.au) 12.31.21 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12.33.26 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@chello062178002170.1.11.univie.teleweb.at) 12.33.26 Quit dfkt|n (Changing host) 12.33.26 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.37.28 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 12.38.27 Join swilde [0] (~wilde@aktaia.intevation.org) 12.38.48 # pamaury: 600mAh is the capacity of the battery 12.39.10 # it delivers 3.7V and 3.7*600==2220 12.40.27 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 12.40.33 # ok 12.41.41 # to charge it I need to know the maximum charge current or at least a reasonable stop current (=10% maximum charge current from the manual), how can I find that ? 12.43.10 # sorry no idea 12.43.49 # is the capacity related to maximum charge current or not ? 12.43.58 # *the 12.46.02 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 12.54.54 Quit swilde (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.58.50 Nick ghallberg is now known as pops (~gustaf@h206n2-g-kt-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com) 13.03.09 Quit nick-p (Quit: Leaving) 13.20.49 Join soap__ [0] (~soap@71-15-137-94.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 13.24.12 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.29.36 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-212-25.sa.bigpond.net.au) 13.31.32 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.44.02 Quit bah (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.49.37 Join bah [0] (~bah@c-24-20-32-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 13.50.07 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30542): imx233/fuze+: implement usb enable 13.57.29 # no build result ? 14.00.24 # hmm 14.01.58 Quit soap__ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.02.10 Join wodz|work [0] (~5f303f8a@www.haxx.se) 14.03.11 # for some reason, nearly all clients failed to upload build logs. and hence they were blocked and their jobs reassigned. 14.03.59 # pamury: capacity is not directly related to the max charge current BUT usually it is not adviced to charge with currents more than 2C for lipo. With 600mAh battery this would mean you should not cross 1.2A charge current 14.04.24 # I dubt charge circuit can deliver that much anyway 14.05.34 # If the charging is from usb you are restricted to 500mA anyway 14.06.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.07.05 # well, maybe not. 14.07.12 # some ports deliver more than that. 14.07.35 # and let's not speak of cheap, chinese power supplies which have an USB port. 14.07.44 # r30542 build result: 5 errors, 0 warnings (pamaury committed) 14.08.07 # usb spec impose 500mA as upper limit 14.08.17 # yes. people ignore that spec. 14.08.28 # pamaury: oops, my fault 14.08.31 # I'll draw at most 500mA, our usb stack tries to follow the spec :) 14.09.09 # I'd like to solve the following problem: 14.09.20 # go ahead, fry the controller as you like 14.09.26 # when connected to an USB port, rb on an ipod goes into USB mass storage mode. 14.09.36 Join nick-p [0] (~nick@82-69-105-120.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 14.10.04 # that prevents IAP from working. lots of devices seem to do both IAP and USB mass storage. 14.10.39 # so i'd like to wait for a second or two after the USB insert event to listen for eventual IAP messages, and set a flag if we've seen any 14.10.49 # and not go into USB mass storage mode if the flag is set 14.11.04 # Lalufu: a USB port as in "it looks like a USB port", or as in a working USB host? 14.11.21 # whatever triggers the "usb mass storage mode" in RB 14.11.46 # That's why I ask :) 14.12.38 # sorry, have to be afk for a short while. I'll be back. 14.12.50 # There's a known bug that makes us wrongly detect USB with some chargers. We know the solution, but it's a lot of work... 14.13.03 # yes, I'll do it when the fuze+ port is more stable 14.15.37 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30543): sbtools: relax file size condition (easier to work with) 14.16.18 # r30542 build result: All green 14.16.45 # (that's just be re-running the previous build after fixing my client) 14.16.47 # *me 14.18.08 # r30543 build result: All green 14.19.31 # New commit by 03pamaury (r30544): sbtools: fix code to work with file larger than header indicated size 14.21.28 # I should have tested before committing r30543 :) 14.21.31 # r30544 build result: All green 14.23.49 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Remote host closed the connection) 14.27.08 Join mercutio22 [0] (~mercutio2@189.38.191.39) 14.29.06 # Hi. I was about to get rockbox installed into my sansa clip+ and it seems I need to get a copy of the original firmware first. So I did. Its a zip file containing clppa.bin and clpp_data.dat. Which one is the frmware file? 14.31.24 Quit parafin (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.32.02 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 14.37.47 # Is there any chance someone who knows the font code will look at fs#12273 before its finished? 14.37.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12273 3use buflib for fonts (patches, new) 14.42.09 Quit Bagder (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 14.46.47 # Zagor: does that echofiapp thing you linked to this morning work with the linux spotify client? 14.47.28 # New commit by 03jdgordon (r30545): Remove some old code which tries to clear/set the backdrop when starting plugins which is broken and potentially can cause backdrop corruption if the ... 14.48.05 # oops - sorry, wrong channel! 14.49.17 # r30545 build result: 1 errors, 1 warnings (jdgordon committed) 14.50.06 # poo 14.50.26 # unpoo 14.58.11 Part pops 14.58.11 # kugel: you round? 14.58.58 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@65.104.0.183.ptr.us.xo.net) 14.59.07 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 14.59.07 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 15.01.10 # kugel: looking into fs#12279 - im getting a segfault in buflib_compact_and_shrink with those repro steps 15.01.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12279 3Sansa Clip+: Music playback is returned to the head when wps is changed since r30486 (bugs, unconfirmed) 15.01.40 # line 323, "this" is corrupt 15.01.48 # with audio stopped there is no issue 15.07.04 # gevaerts: I already dealt with it on sa9200. Not sure what "work" you're talking about. 15.07.04 Quit wodz|work (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 15.08.24 Quit factor (Quit: Leaving) 15.08.46 # gevaerts: as far as I follow the code "something" (whatever it is, don't really care) triggers an SYS_USB_CONNECTED event, and the firmware switches into mass storage mode. right? 15.09.16 # the core for that is in misc.c 15.11.10 Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.15.03 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 15.15.58 # jhMikeS: all the others :) 15.16.21 # amsv2 is already set up. converting should be pretty simple 15.16.23 # Lalufu: yes, and that something is the important bit 15.16.53 # guess I can take care of arc controllers in one swoop 15.17.11 # jhMikeS: nobody will stop you :) 15.17.34 # hm. why? from my (IAP) pov I don' really care why the player decided to go away on me, I'd just like a way to stop it from doing so. 15.17.38 # RK27XX looks proper already 15.18.00 # which leave amsv1 15.18.30 # Lalufu: that's the point! 15.18.57 # Lalufu: the question is, are you seeing the known bug we have, or something else 15.19.21 # well, hmmm... 15.20.25 # gevaerts: why is that distinction important? and how can I tell from the outside? 15.21.27 # Lalufu: if it 15.22.42 # Lalufu: if it's the known bug, we know what to fix :) (and then there's no reason to add workarounds). As for how to tell, that depends on how much info you have on things. If you can't tell, I'd say wait for jhMikeS to finish the conversion 15.23.24 # well, there really are devices that do both USB mass storage and IAP. On the same connector. so the player would be completely justified to go into mass storage mode. 15.24.34 # Maybe. Do those devices send USB packets before attempting IAP communication? 15.26.00 # does queue_send() block untill the reply comes? 15.26.06 # or is queue_post() the blocking call? 15.26.15 # JdGordon: queue_send is the blocking call 15.26.24 # ok ta 15.31.50 # the player would have to to into USB mode to determine that, right? 15.32.23 # In addition, IAP is supported via USB in the newer iPods, so the device might try to do that. 15.34.05 # The player shouldn't go to USB mode unless actual USB packets are received. That's the thing that needs to be fixed. 15.34.11 # most fall back to serial if USB does not work out, though 15.36.29 # * JdGordon gives up trying to understand buflib.c 15.36.32 # + playback.c 15.37.19 # JdGordon: to do what? 15.37.45 # fix a crash trying to load themes while playback is running 15.38.06 # ah, hmm...crashes are bad 15.38.41 # at least its an easy repro though 15.39.30 # repro man 15.41.34 # the audiobuf handle shrinks from the front so my uneducated guess is that playback isnt stopped early enough and it overwrites buflibs state 15.44.01 # you mean the shrink call just before the remaking the audio buffer? 15.45.38 # http://pastebin.com/YaPUaBZt is the backtrace 15.46.08 Join [Saint] [0] (~st.lasciv@203.184.50.187) 15.52.09 # the fuze+ database refresh is getting on my nerves... 15.55.57 # I've lost so much try to dual boot on fuze+ and I'm still trying... 15.55.59 # *time 16.01.25 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 16.02.59 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.04.08 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.04.27 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 16.05.08 # New commit by 03jethead71 (r30546): Convert ARC USB driver code to always use setup packet detection and remove the bus-reset-based detection method for it. This prevents false USB ... 16.07.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.07.20 # r30546 build result: All green 16.09.13 Join WalkGood [0] (~WalkGood@unaffiliated/walkgood) 16.11.31 # kugel: hmm, looks like the e200-sim is a reliable repro, just checked on clipplus and works fine 16.13.11 # is it safe to call timeout_cancel on a timeout that has never been timeout_register()ed? 16.16.22 # yes, it should just not find it and return 16.20.02 # thanks 16.23.16 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust703.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 16.29.19 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 16.34.06 Quit bah () 16.36.07 # The more I think about fuze+ dual-booting, the more I realized the path from the OF image to the final image is tricky 16.40.06 Join guymann [0] (~charles@66-159-173-205.adsl.snet.net) 16.40.24 Quit Bagder (Quit: It is time to say moo) 16.43.42 Quit liar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.47.47 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 17.01.31 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Switching OS.) 17.03.49 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 17.06.26 # I hate make when it doesn't work as expected 17.07.17 Part Llorean 17.14.50 # I hate the fuze+ OF, it seems to be doing lots of weird checks at boot time 17.17.18 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 17.20.49 Part Zagor 17.23.56 Quit nick-p (Quit: Leaving) 17.24.58 Nick semitones_ is now known as semitones (~quassel@c-69-137-234-83.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 17.25.23 Quit semitones (Changing host) 17.25.23 Join semitones [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/semitones) 17.26.59 # New commit by 03jethead71 (r30547): Move AMSv1 (AMSv2 had been done already) to using setup packet request to detect a host. 17.29.05 # r30547 build result: 48 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed) 17.30.56 Quit God_Eater (Quit: Page closed) 17.30.57 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 17.38.01 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.38.22 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 17.39.03 # \o/ dual booting works on fuze+ 17.39.21 # :-) 17.39.27 # what was the trick? 17.40.21 # lots of trick, I need to place the rockbox boot section *after* the OF one, to align the ressource one on a sector boundary, to have correct version too, .. 17.40.52 # correct version of what? 17.41.09 # the boot format is rather sophisticated, it has version information 17.41.42 # oh, rom loader uses sb format as well? 17.42.12 # *does use 17.42.16 # yes, you basically put a raw sb file on special partition and the rom will boot it 17.43.11 # no go ahead with pcm 17.43.21 # *now 17.43.30 # I need to implement charging even before 17.43.49 # and finish the touchpad driver 17.43.59 # and fix the keymap 17.44.38 # have you tried some test_* benchmarks? 17.44.59 # no yet 17.45.04 # not yet 17.46.15 # I decided I need some break with rk27xx hacking and now I am looking at espeak 17.46.36 # what is still to be done on rk27xx ? 17.48.59 # lots of - 1) lcd driver is one big hack 2) make usb driver to actually work 3) figure out why playback is so choppy 4) figure out why sd reads are so slow 5) implement nand driver (easy) 6) reverse engineer FTL (hard) 7) write proper bootloader 8) various other stuff like keymaps, graphics etc. 17.49.23 # doh 17.49.53 # * ukleinek would be interested in 6) but I hardly find the time for it 17.50.51 # ukleinek: Did you managed to display something on lcd using dma and hw format conversion or I am messing something? 17.50.54 # reverse engineering a FTL can be really tricky 17.51.21 # pamaury: (about your earlier question) most lipoly batteries like to be charged at (peak) about 1/2 their capacity per hour 17.51.31 # so thats about 300mA for your battery 17.51.55 # pamaury: It is a lot of work but since FTL is separate ar library in OF SDK this should be rather stright forward 17.52.55 # ah, and there are header files which seems to fit - this makes it a lot easier to understand disasm 17.53.05 # wodz: I didn't dare to overwrite the OF before having understood more, so there is nothing to report 17.53.49 # ukleinek: Have you finished nand bootloader dump? 17.53.50 # saratoga: so 500mA would be too much ? 17.54.04 # wodz: I'm interested most in getting into the other DFU mode 17.54.19 # pamaury: yes probably 17.54.32 # wodz: no new results, just what I put into my webspace 17.54.38 # you can do faster, but it degrades teh battery quicker, and the maximum charge current actually doesn't seem up charging that much 17.54.55 # saratoga: this is not a general rule - 2C is usually refered as charging limit for lipo 17.55.38 # wodz: maybe for some cells, but not in general I think 17.55.44 # I found lots of different in different references and unfortunately it's pretty hard to know what the OF does 17.55.45 # and yes CC part is ~30% charging times 17.55.46 # http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries 17.55.56 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 17.56.23 # saratoga: I did my thesis about chemistry of libatteries so I am quite sure 17.56.43 # ah ok 17.56.55 # so final word ? 500mA is ok ? 17.57.01 # yes 17.57.24 # CV charging regime is more important 17.57.35 # that said I still prefer caution when the rated charge current isn't known 17.58.00 # I can always limit to 300mA, that's a safe value 17.58.26 # pamaury: do you have access to bat temperature? 17.58.54 # I don't think so, but I have access to the die temperature for sure 17.58.58 # most recent batteries have integrated thermistor 17.59.38 # I can have a try, the imx233 has two dedicated channels for external thermistor but the OF doesn't seem to use it 18.00.13 # die temperature is not that interesting unless it can't cope with ~500mA current which is unlikely 18.00.20 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.00.20 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 18.00.20 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.00.28 # New commit by 03jethead71 (r30548): Scrub r30546 bootloader build errors. 18.01.33 # pamaury, regarding charge current, the AMS players I know use 0.5C charge current or less 18.01.41 # freescale released some code and their linux code for the imx233 uses the die temperature as an approximation 18.02.15 # and as for the fuze+ OF, I know it uses this code but I can't tell if it was modified or not 18.02.21 # I wouldn't risk 2C 18.02.35 # neither me, and anyway usb doesn't provide it 18.02.47 # r30548 build result: All green 18.02.58 # neither the chip 18.04.06 # so go with 300mA and you will be on the safe side 18.04.29 # BTW, I did fix some spurious GPIO switching for AMS targets in the sd card driver (AMS variant 0 doesn't use GPIO to switch between internal and external sd slot) 18.04.58 # I think the best option is to use the same charge current as the OF, or go even lower than 0.5C 18.05.38 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@SEAS221.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) 18.05.55 # According to the battery university page on lithium charging, a higher charge current doesn't even make that much of a difference for total charge time because it will go into constant-voltage mode sooner 18.07.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.08.30 # bertrik: thats exactly what I said before :-) 18.09.52 # so I could charge at 1mA, keep the battery healthy and it won't take much longer? :) 18.10.09 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 18.10.14 # nop 18.10.19 Quit fwee (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.10.33 Join fwee [0] (~phobos@c-69-242-134-60.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) 18.10.35 Quit tchan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.10.40 # bertrik: I don't know the charge current used by the OF 18.10.47 # in CV mode you still need to provide some resonable current 18.11.31 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 18.14.05 Quit WalkGood (Quit: caminabien) 18.14.14 # I saw some power supply configuration code in the clip zip and I think we don't do nearly as much power configuration on the other AMS targets, perhaps paying more attention to this can help the AMSv2 USB problems 18.14.23 Join 16SAA1WH0 [0] (~powell14s@c-174-51-194-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 18.14.26 # I'll have a look 18.16.02 # so back to fuze+, do I need to monitor some temperature ? 18.17.53 # * jhMikeS put wrong rev # in commit msg :\ 18.19.32 # pamaury: that depends. If the battery have limit circuit - you don't have to otherwise you should 18.20.45 # virtually all cellphones batteries have limit circuit, ipod batteries also 18.21.13 # mpio batteries do have also, others - I don't know 18.22.41 # anyway, I've charged the fuze+ a few times and it never went hot 18.25.11 # pamaury: does charging block do CC/CV cycle automaticaly or you have to drive this manually? 18.25.54 # it's done automatically when the battery reaches 4.2V manual says 18.26.14 # good 18.27.25 # that might seems stupid but why 4.2V ? (there is 3.7V written on the battery but i'm unsure of the meaning) 18.29.00 # I always wonder also. Fully charged li battery (li-ion or lipo) have 4.1 up to 4.3V depending on chemistry used 18.29.14 # gevaerts: I guess that covers it for now. 18.29.40 # over 4.3 is dangerous generally 18.30.00 # suddenly my sansa fuze screen shows only white 18.30.14 # I can turn it off and on, and listen to stuff, and it still works 18.30.19 # but the screen is always white 18.30.21 # hardware issue? 18.31.24 # it never shows anything, not even in OF? 18.31.49 # *except white of course 18.37.52 # I have some question regarding bootloader creation by Rockbox Utility 18.42.42 # when we provide RBUtil on the website, does it also contains the prebuilt utility to produce the bootloader images out of the OF ones ? 18.42.45 # New commit by 03jethead71 (r30549): Remove obsolete USB_DETECT_BY_DRV define throughout. 18.43.12 Quit user829385 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.43.19 # or is the code in RBUtil ? 18.45.08 # r30549 build result: All green 18.45.17 # jhMikeS: right 18.45.28 # also white screen in OF 18.45.31 # jhMikeS: do we still need the USB_DETECT_BY_CORE define? Are there things that don't use it? 18.45.54 # jhMikeS: do we still need usb_detect_by_core 18.45.55 # gevaerts: yes, the 6400 isn't using it 18.46.00 # oops, gevaerts was faster 18.46.21 # alexbobp: in that case it sounds likely 18.46.26 # D: 18.46.34 # okay 18.46.39 # then how the 6400 does usb host detection ? 18.47.31 # I think it must just assume connected = host. I didn't see anything there about waiting for the host. 18.48.12 # but detection by the core doesn't need any hardware support, so why not enable it ? 18.48.18 # *driver 18.48.58 # it needs usb-.c to be implemented correctly 18.49.07 # ah yes, true 18.49.59 # which devices uses 6400 ? 18.50.06 # "new" ipods 18.50.13 # i.e. classic and nano2g 18.51.07 # nano2g has a usb-nano2g.c file, it should be trivial to fix it if necessary 18.51.34 # no ? 18.52.15 # possibly likely. i can't test it though myself 18.52.21 # hum weird 18.52.40 # usb-drv-s3c6400.c has usb_init_device and usb-nano2g.c too :-/ 18.53.04 # * gevaerts doesn't see any usb-nano2g.c 18.53.19 # usb-s5l8700.c ? 18.53.26 # in s5l8700/ipodnano2g 18.53.46 # but there is a usb-s5l8700 too ! 18.53.55 # wtf 18.53.56 # pamaury: is your tree clean? 18.54.20 # I guess so, except if git svn didn't remove some file 18.54.49 # oh true, I have a unversioned usb-ipodnano2g.C 18.54.58 # * pamaury blames git 18.55.00 # Did I even set that up for detection via usb_tick? I'm not sure I did. 18.55.50 # indeed usb-s5l8700.c is rather poor 18.56.04 # why does it have usb_init_device ? 18.56.20 # usb-s5l8700.c isn't used by the ipods 18.56.22 # is it actually used ? 18.56.26 # It 18.56.31 # 's part of the meizu effort 18.56.55 # guess it is compatible with tick 18.57.15 # so the ipod detect stuff is in the drv file ? 18.57.39 # and it uses the tick 18.58.11 Join user829385 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 18.58.42 Quit user829385 (Max SendQ exceeded) 18.58.57 # yeah, it's not marked "drv" either, it's just a big lump of the mid-level with the low level 18.59.35 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5DD57A09.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.59.35 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 18.59.35 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.00.47 # it would be nice to split that and finally have a unique detection mechanism 19.03.33 # the code in usb.c would still need the define but at least it could be less complicated about when to define it 19.05.15 # why would it still need it ? 19.05.58 # for all the targets that don'e use it (basically without usb stack) 19.06.28 # Wouldn't that just be HAVE_USBSTACK? 19.07.16 # * gevaerts looks at USB_FULL_INIT and hides 19.07.35 # mmmm...maybe. the ams bootloaders just poll the thing 19.08.38 # device without the stack don't compile most of usb.c no ? 19.09.11 # why do we need FULL_INIT N 19.09.12 # ? 19.09.12 # sure they do. some bootloaders do a cutdown version though 19.12.38 # there are alot of variations at this time 19.12.48 # bootloader doesn't use usb.c 19.12.57 # *bootloaders don't 19.13.37 # do they ? 19.14.23 # ah yes, there are a few functions 19.14.43 # this file is a huge mess 19.15.31 # older usb-ata bridge devices iiuc need something of it 19.21.03 # my feeling is that usb.c contains two different things: detection and state management. usb detection should be completely split from the rest, just like with usb- and usb-drv-. Devices which need a tick for usb detect should just include a generic file and those which don't need it don't included it. There would a usb_detect_{init,close} called from usb_{init,close} and that's all. The remaining part would be useless for bootloader more (I 19.21.03 # think) and I could be simplified a bit hopefully 19.22.50 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 19.24.54 # I doubt anything needs tick detection, technically speaking 19.26.00 # it would mean reimplementing it on lots of target, or aren't there so many ? 19.27.03 # not so many in terms of SoC 19.27.43 # I agree that probably no SoC doesn't provide an interrupt mechanism for usb detection 19.27.50 Join y4n [0] (y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 19.28.16 # add usb-jz4740.c to the list 19.28.39 # really ? 19.29.00 # appears done like 6400 19.30.13 Join Lear [0] (chatzilla@141.191.216.81.static.g-hn.siw.siwnet.net) 19.30.47 # New commit by 03learman (r30550): Fix FS#12266, by skipping empty frames when reading ID3v2 tags. Also add some length checks to be safe. 19.30.51 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 19.30.52 # funny, I never noticed that the jz4740 controller might be the same as the s3c2440 one 19.32.57 # r30550 build result: All green 19.42.28 # pamaury, is it easy to tell working from non-working USB on AMSv2? 19.42.44 # I found some power init sequences in the clip+ OF that we don't do at all in rockbox 19.43.19 # I could add those and see if it improves USB on AMSv2 19.43.21 # bertrik: I think it varies considerably with the device 19.43.46 # the fuzev2 (mine anyway) works rather well, others, not so much 19.44.26 # can it be related to the AMSv2 variant? 19.44.49 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@host-95-198-233-200.mobileonline.telia.com) 19.44.53 Quit Bagder (Changing host) 19.44.53 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 19.45.25 # I vaguely remember that I asked about that and found out it wasn't. Such discussion could be in the FS task 19.46.04 # I guess it's huge by now ... 19.50.54 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@g231120023.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.50.55 Quit bluebrother (Changing host) 19.50.55 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 19.53.24 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.53.42 Quit dfkt|n (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19.53.50 # The clipv2 doesn't have variants (AFAIK) and seems to have the problem too, so I think it's probably not variant related 19.54.27 Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.55.02 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231120023.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.55.40 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@p57B57ACC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.55.41 Quit Horschti (Changing host) 19.55.41 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.56.41 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.00.58 Quit liar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.03.13 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.03.59 Quit mamarley (Remote host closed the connection) 20.07.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.07.20 Quit casainho (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110905174115]) 20.07.23 # Is there a way to check USB on AMSv2 while avoiding corruption on the player (clip+)? 20.07.31 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 20.07.36 # Maybe just dd data from it? 20.09.45 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3BC69.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.16.14 # The ams v2 USB patch does absolutely nothing here 20.26.45 # OK, I made clean and recompiled, so now linux sees the drives/slots on my clip+, but it doesn't see any volumes 20.27.23 # This could be a symptom of the AMSv2 USB problems, I guess 20.28.05 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 20.29.19 # pamaury, can you confirm? 20.37.07 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-216-13.26-151.libero.it) 20.38.23 Join user829385 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 20.38.39 Quit user829385 (Max SendQ exceeded) 20.46.21 Join user829385 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 21.00.02 Join sirrozha [0] (~sirrozha@89.23.217.205) 21.00.24 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@SEAS010.wlan.seas.upenn.edu) 21.01.11 # bertrik: for me plugging into USB freezes Windows explorer trying to mount the player 21.01.12 Quit Keripo (Client Quit) 21.01.26 # some people just get mounts and unmounts 21.01.35 # i would try the stock code and if it doesn't work assume thats the USB problem :) 21.12.20 # ok, the power init sequence doesn't seem to make a lot of difference on AMSv2 USB... 21.13.31 # I was able to copy several 100 MB from the device, but it's not really reliable when trying that again 21.13.49 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-219-239.t-mobile.co.uk) 21.15.16 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 21.16.15 # the progress bar upon starting or resuming playback on fuze goes insane then jumps to zero. 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positive effect from my pmu init sequence :D 22.29.31 # three times in a row the plain code won't even mount, three times in a row the patched code mounts immediately 22.30.00 # * jhMikeS hesitantly \o/'s 22.32.34 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 22.33.09 # gevaerts: I put a quick implementation of my usb-pause-for-iap-idea here: http://ryoko.camperquake.de/temp/rockbox-usb-iap-delay.patch 22.33.34 # it seems to work in my (limited) home testing, will introduce the player to real world devices tomorrow, if I find the time. 22.35.10 # Lalufu: did you try a post-r30549 build? 22.36.22 # i just merged a current git pull 22.37.00 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.43) 22.38.17 # But did you try it without your patch? 22.41.40 # no. and I'm sorry if I seem dense here, but I do not see how the problem of accidentially detecting USB chargers as full-blown USB hosts (which I assume you're talking about) has anything to do with my problem of the player switching to USB storage mode (while connected to a full-blown USB host) when I don't want it to. 22.42.35 # Because it's not clear (because you said you didn't know!) to me if what you're seeing is a misdetection of USB or a USB host 22.43.54 # My problem is not the why of the change. Maybe the player detected a real honest-to-god USB host. Maybe it accidentially misdetected a charger. I don't care. 22.44.03 # What I _do_ care about is that it changes modes. 22.44.27 # not the reason for the mode change. the change itself. 22.44.33 # So you want things to work, but only if the solution is a quick and dirty workaround? 22.44.44 # Sorry, but that's just stupid 22.45.01 # Fixing the misdetection does not solve my problem. 22.45.07 # It's that simple. 22.45.16 # Then why did you *refuse* to say so? 22.46.37 # I'd be interested in what you percieved my problem to be, from my comments so far. 22.46.54 # Maybe I was'nt clear enough, but english is not my first language, so I might have been off. 22.47.59 # How should I know? Every time I ask a direct question you give a vague answer, and when I ask for clarification, instead of providing that you question my reasons for asking 22.48.30 # At this point I don't know if I care any more to be honest 22.49.57 Join martinst_ [0] (~quassel@p5DCBCE04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.53.25 Quit martinst_ (Client Quit) 22.56.23 # I'm sorry you think so. URL to the patch is above, if it turns out that helps with other devices I connect to the ipod I'll merge it into my larger IAP rework. 22.57.57 # bertrik: got a patch I can try on mine? 22.58.01 # it doesn't seem very likely that a device would be doing serial IAP and also mass storage 22.58.23 # it seems more likely that this is a misdetection, or that the device is trying to do the smart IAP over weird scsi request thing 22.58.41 # IAP is defined via USB in newer revisions 22.58.53 # yes, i know 22.59.02 # but we haven't implemebnted that, have wer? 22.59.07 # no. 22.59.18 # wouldn't it make sense for pre USB audio devices to do MSC for data transfer and IAP for command signaling? 22.59.45 # saratoga: i don't think that exists 22.59.50 Nick tjb0607_away is now known as tjb0607 (~quassel@208-100-128-206.bendbroadband.com) 22.59.53 # currently, as soon as the player goes into MSC, almost everything else goes dead. 23.00.15 # Right, because we're unmounting the disk 23.00.41 # so I try to prevent going into MSC to be able to control the player 23.01.16 # prevent as in: listen for IAP messages for a short time span and go into MSC if none turn up 23.01.53 # unless theres devices that really do initiate a USB session and use IAP that shouldn't be needed, right? 23.02.00 # Right, but my point is that if the device you are plugging it into is trying to be a USB host then it probably is doing it so that it can use IAP over USB 23.02.07 # and the real fix is to implement that 23.02.11 # not to break mass storage 23.02.14 # ( i wouldn't be terribly surprised if something like that exists, but we should verify that first) 23.02.27 # saratoga: i'm pretty sure they *don't* exist.. 23.02.36 # it doesn't make any sense 23.02.50 # becuase iPods do not do mass storage? 23.03.27 # well its not a good way to do things, but theres a lot of dumb ipod stereos made over the years, some of which also do MSC 23.04.02 # saratoga: on the same dock connector? that seems like it would be weird :) 23.04.29 # no, i mean also have a USB port for things like memory sticks 23.04.39 # saratoga: right, but that's seperate connectors, pretty much guaranteed 23.04.49 # yeah probably 23.04.50 # it would have to have a real dock connector to even try and talk serial IAP 23.04.59 # since a usb->dock cable doesn't have that pin wired up 23.05.14 # and it would know that everything on that connector was *some* kind of ipod.. 23.05.27 # some of the docks are stupid as a brick, they do no control at all, just pull down the analog audio from the connector. 23.05.37 # some try simple controls 23.05.39 # Right. And they aren't usb hosts, so they won't trigger MSC 23.06.01 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.06.04 # I'll try what I can get my hands on with and without my patch and report what I find. 23.06.25 # You aren't going to be able to find anything relevant by testing in rockbox 23.06.33 # presumably you have a device that has a probelm with this, no? 23.06.34 Join nick-p [0] (~nick@82-69-105-120.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 23.06.49 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@nic712.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 23.06.50 # i have an ipod mini 2g 23.06.56 # i mean, a dock device 23.07.07 # what would be interesting would be to confirm that it is indeed trying to talk the clever usb protocol 23.07.25 # I have, but it's self made, so that probably does not count. 23.07.36 # huh? 23.08.06 # Does latest jhMikeS changes mean I can get back my mini and charger? :-) 23.08.15 # wodz: er, i haven't checked yet 23.08.22 # wodz: but probably, yes 23.08.22 Quit bluefoxx_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.08.25 # ipod connector breakout board, serial-usb-converter with the right TTL levels, some cables. 23.08.30 # Right 23.08.32 # It's a debugging rig, basically 23.08.44 # So you have made a device which is both a usb host and a serial iap controller 23.08.53 # yeah. that's weird, i'm afraid 23.09.05 # can you use it to snoop and figure out what your stereo is doing? 23.09.18 # i am *pretty* sure that no such thing otherwise exists, except for recentish smart docks that are trying to do the USB accessory thingy 23.09.43 # fortunately there are electronic stores which have lots of shiny hardware. 23.10.18 # apparently the USB thing is ancient, dating back to the Ipod video 23.10.34 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 23.10.40 # so probably its just cheaper devices that don't have the brains for a USB controller doing it more recently 23.11.01 # saratoga: in theory yes, this breakout board only has one connector, you cannot put it between the ipod and another device. 23.11.15 # but those exist, too 23.12.02 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 23.12.21 # saratoga: ancient by some definitions, yes :) 23.12.26 # I'm afk for the night, will test real world hardware tomorrow. 23.12.30 Nick Guest74961 is now known as [Sanyi] (thg@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-xsmtwyhlvbsydnxb) 23.13.00 Nick [Sanyi] is now known as Guest13773 (thg@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-xsmtwyhlvbsydnxb) 23.13.15 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.171) 23.13.50 Quit petur (Quit: here today, gone tomorrow) 23.14.36 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 23.18.33 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.29.45 Quit ender` (Quit: UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as that would also stop them from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn) 23.38.08 Quit Bagder (Quit: It is time to say moo) 23.38.18 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 23.45.14 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 23.45.54 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.60.43) 23.52.09 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection)