--- Log for 29.09.111 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 18 hours ago 00.08.10 Quit Mineo (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.11.54 Quit ender` (Quit: That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history. -- Aldous Huxley) 00.13.41 Quit hilbert (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 00.16.05 Quit Marcin_ (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 00.18.16 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.18.44 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@g228173242.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.21.25 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@cpe-174-099-054-167.nc.res.rr.com) 00.22.57 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.33.11 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.48.14 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.57.38 Quit tchan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.58.21 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 00.58.35 Quit tjb0607 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.00.57 Join tjb0607 [0] (~quassel@208-100-128-206.bendbroadband.com) 01.01.03 Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@149.254.60.35) 01.04.54 Quit mamarley (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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My post shows up at the end of page 1 AND as the first post on page 2 of a thread at the same time. Even deleted the "duplicate", which removed both and reposted again with the same result. 04.53.34 Quit robin0800_ (Read error: Connection timed out) 04.54.18 Join robin0800_ [0] (~robin0800@genkt-050-206.t-mobile.co.uk) 05.11.09 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) 05.13.50 Quit scorche (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.15.28 # New commit by 03fredwbauer (r30618): font_load(): Reduce font memory allocation to the font's file size if less than MAX_FONT_SIZE 05.16.40 Join bluefoxx [0] (FuzzyLomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 05.17.18 # r30618 build result: All green 05.23.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.31.35 Quit tjb0607 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05.32.16 Join tjb0607 [0] (~quassel@208-100-128-206.bendbroadband.com) 05.36.14 Quit bluefoxx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.37.26 Join bluefoxx [0] (FuzzyLomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 05.37.58 Quit tjb0607 (Remote host closed the connection) 05.44.47 Quit evilnick (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.47.26 Join tjb0607 [0] (~quassel@208-100-128-206.bendbroadband.com) 05.47.27 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 05.52.41 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF3128.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.53.37 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 05.56.37 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.13.49 Quit simonlnu (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.21.05 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 06.21.06 Quit robin0800_ (Quit: Leaving) 06.35.29 Quit factor (*.net *.split) 06.35.29 Quit powell14ski_ (*.net *.split) 06.35.29 Quit Guinness (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit balintx (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit efyx__ (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit Unhelpful (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit simabeis (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit maraz (*.net *.split) 06.35.30 Quit Hadaka (*.net *.split) 06.36.25 Join Unhelpful [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful) 06.44.03 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 06.44.03 Join powell14ski_ [0] (~powell14s@c-174-51-194-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 06.44.03 Join Guinness [0] (Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 06.44.03 Join balintx [0] (~quassel@szerver1.gulyasp-koll.sulinet.hu) 06.44.03 Join efyx__ [0] (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 06.44.03 Join simabeis [0] (~simabeis@lobmenschen.de) 06.44.03 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 06.44.03 Join Hadaka [0] (~naked@naked.iki.fi) 06.51.05 Join simonlnu [0] (cCnwfYYTAq@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 06.53.11 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 07.08.41 # I followed the steps for building my own rockbox zip. I then copied it onto my players memory, however I get the File not Found error. This is the first time I've tried to update RockBox in a couple of years. Do I need to update the Boot Loader or anything ? 07.12.26 Join FlynDice [0] (~jack@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.13.46 # rmancy: Don't copy the .zip, unzip it to your player 07.13.59 # FlynDice, sorry, that's what I meant 07.15.29 # player? 07.15.34 # FlynDice, D2 07.16.16 # can you browse the files and see a .rockbox folde? 07.16.16 # FlynDice, I was about to use the RockBox Utility to see if I could install the zip that way (not sure if thats how the utility works...i guess I'll find out) 07.16.22 # FlynDice, yep 07.18.48 # not familiar with the d2 but I don't think the Rockbox utility supports it... 07.21.40 # You may try deleting the .rockbox directory that's present and then unzip the rockbox.zip to your player again 07.23.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.23.33 Quit FlynDice (Remote host closed the connection) 07.26.18 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 07.42.21 # New commit by 03kugel (r30619): Don't leak file descriptor. 07.44.01 # r30619 build result: All green 08.00.51 Quit powell14ski_ (Quit: powell14ski_) 08.02.39 Quit bluefoxx (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.02.51 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 08.03.45 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.04.37 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.07.48 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.12.14 Join Guest23237 [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.12.50 Nick Guest23237 is now known as Zagor (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.23.28 Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@giant.haxx.se) 08.23.29 Quit B4gder (Changing host) 08.23.29 Join B4gder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.30.38 Join n1s [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/n1s) 08.54.07 Join God_Eater [0] (93722cd1@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.54.25 Join antil33t| [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 08.55.35 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.57.24 Quit antil33t (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09.21.25 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.23.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.32.47 # rmancy: i think you need to put it on the sdcard on the d2, the wiki probably knows 09.33.02 # n1s, thanks I'll re read it all over again 09.35.22 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.36.34 Quit petur (Client Quit) 09.37.16 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.42.15 Quit kadoban (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.43.16 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 09.45.56 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 09.46.49 Quit kadoban (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.50.43 Quit rmancy (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.54.28 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 10.03.09 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 10.11.51 Join Mineo [0] (~wh@2001:638:904:ffca:4261:86ff:fe87:5544) 10.12.44 Quit Viperfang (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.20.52 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 10.20.52 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 10.20.52 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.24.57 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 10.26.07 Join FoH [0] (~foh@adsl-98-83-48-87.bhm.bellsouth.net) 10.26.08 Part petur ("Bye!") 10.48.39 Join KiwiCam [0] (~Kiwi_Cam@228.197.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) 10.49.55 Join rmancy [0] (~raymond@124-170-113-157.dyn.iinet.net.au) 10.54.05 Join FoolOnHill [0] (~foh@adsl-98-83-43-125.bhm.bellsouth.net) 10.56.24 Quit FoH (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.13.28 Quit rmancy (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11.23.21 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.23.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.32.46 # Lalufu: http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=ukl/ptxgit.git;a=summary 11.35.06 # Ah, thanks. 11.35.13 # Is there a quick primer on how to use this? 11.35.20 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 11.35.21 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.37.18 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.37.59 # Lalufu: you can get some startup support here or via /query if you want 11.38.23 # Lalufu: other than that there is $(ptxgit help) 11.38.26 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053153144.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.38.38 # Yes, I've read that :) 11.38.59 # that being the output of ptxgit help or the actual source? 11.39.16 # Both, the but the source not in depth yet 11.39.49 # Lalufu: the idea is that master-marker follows master and master-flat^{tree} == master-marker^{tree} 11.41.22 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 11.57.23 Join Marcin_ [0] (~chatzilla@baq194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 12.05.15 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 12.08.03 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.08.34 Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 12.12.59 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 12.15.30 Join webguest45 [0] (~4d6c62b0@www.haxx.se) 12.18.00 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 12.32.02 Quit liar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.32.38 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 12.37.43 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12.48.01 # ah, my Sansa Fuze was shipped. The only downside is that officially it's a gift for my wife :-) 12.48.16 # ah, and there is no bag for it 12.53.07 Join user829385 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 13.04.21 # hmm, doesn't give me a device to mount after connecting 13.05.15 # ah, better 13.05.53 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 13.07.26 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.07.35 # what is MTP? 13.08.46 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol 13.14.10 Join kevku [0] (x@2001:470:1f15:1d8f::) 13.16.38 Quit Marcin_ (Remote host closed the connection) 13.17.08 Join Marcin_ [0] (~chatzilla@baq194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.20.47 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 13.22.00 # what GNU_MIRROR is recommended nowadays? The one in svn's rockboxdev.sh (http://www.nic.funet.fi/pub/gnu/ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu) barfs at binutils 13.23.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.26.38 # now binutils-1.16.1 seems to be distributed as 1.16.1a 13.26.52 # Zagor: ping 13.27.36 # all gnu archives look like that. I have filed a bug against binutils, at the request of gnu.org's ftpmaster 13.28.09 # aaaargh, the archive is 1.16.1a but dir to which it is unpacked is 1.16.1 13.28.49 # yes. that's why we can't just specify 1.16.1a as version. 13.29.53 # I couldn't think of a quick fix, so I'm hoping binutils will fix their bug soonish. it's just a missing symlink, and should be easy enough for them to fix. 13.31.01 # lots of the mirrors *do* have a symlink, i thought 13.31.15 # they do, except for this version... 13.31.24 # Oh, right 13.31.29 Join fbslash [0] (~29884ca0@www.haxx.se) 13.32.18 # has anyone tried if a newer binutil works? 13.32.34 # which arch is it? 13.32.45 # rockbox uses forward slashes in it's m3u lists, whilst foobar uses baclslashes, will rockbox read m3u lists created by foobar 13.32.52 # Torne: sh 13.33.10 # fortunately sh and old arm compiler aren't terribly popular :-) 13.33.23 # ah. i could try building but don't have any way to test. 13.33.29 # we should even cut arm-elf from rockboxdev.sh 13.34.19 # B4gder: ah thanks 13.35.22 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Remote host closed the connection) 13.36.10 Quit Marcin_ (Remote host closed the connection) 13.36.36 # I think amiconn tested newer toolchain for sh but can't remember the outcome 13.36.39 Join Marcin_ [0] (~chatzilla@baq194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.39.03 Quit fbslash (Quit: CGI:IRC) 13.39.38 # Why did the change archive name for ancient binutils? 13.41.04 # they did a new release, with the same dir structure but renamed the tarball 13.41.14 # afaiu 13.42.06 # they maintain such old binutils version? really? 13.42.49 # well I guess they don't really, which is why it was done this half-baked way 13.43.33 # I don't get - if you do not maintain you basically do not touch :-) 13.44.00 # unless there's a GPL violation... 13.44.23 # then you touch just as much as you need 13.45.25 # any news about usb feature in fuzev2 instead of applying the patch 13.48.09 # Marcin_: no 13.51.29 # does rockboxdev.sh use multicores? 13.52.40 # wodz: no 13.53.04 # why? Is it hard to implement or nobody cared so far? 13.53.59 # someone would need to verify that it works with the versions we build 13.54.05 # because we don't know 100% that every gcc and binutil version we use support it 13.54.12 # which seems a bit risky 13.54.24 # what do you mean with "supports multicores"? 13.54.26 Nick Marcin_ is now known as Martus (~chatzilla@baq194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 13.54.38 # Lalufu: I assumed he meant make -j 13.54.39 # Lalufu: make -j2 for example 13.54.57 # for building the crosscompiler, or for building the firmwares? 13.55.02 # the compiler 13.55.06 # ah. 13.55.08 # we do support it for building rockbox 13.55.16 # ok let's test than 13.55.42 # while that may be nice to have, how often does one build the cross compiler? 13.55.43 # wodz: it's not worth the risk just to gain a few minutes off a one-time job 13.56.42 # exactly, you only risk that it adds a failure to every 20th build that is hard to diagnose 13.58.01 Join mortalis [0] (4d6c62b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.108.98.176) 13.58.53 Quit webguest45 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 13.59.50 # test doesn't harm 14.00.12 Join grombar [0] (~4e2b7be5@www.haxx.se) 14.00.22 # hey 14.01.27 # wodz: sure. test away :-) 14.01.44 # is there already a version of rockbox for the new sandisk clip zip ? or is somebody testing it ? 14.02.22 # grombar: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaClip#Sansa_Clip_Zip_port_status 14.02.51 # grombar: we have some code which isn't tested yet since no rb developer own such player. 14.02.57 # one dev has ordered a player, but not gotten it yet. 14.03.51 # okay thanks 14.05.06 Quit B4gder (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 14.06.26 Quit grombar (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 14.07.42 Quit bluefoxx (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.10.37 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14.11.50 Quit wodz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.19.48 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 14.21.37 Quit mortalis (Quit: Page closed) 14.23.40 # regarding that clip zip, I saw the estimated arrival date is indicated as oct 12-16, I thought I could get it earlier as the product page says it ships within 5 days of clearing payment 14.24.33 Join bluefoxx [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 14.30.36 Join rmancy [0] (~raymond@124-170-113-157.dyn.iinet.net.au) 14.31.21 # wow, that was slow 14.33.17 Join powell14ski_ [0] (~powell14s@c-174-51-194-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 14.37.13 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 14.48.46 Quit dfkt|n (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.06.09 Join webguest23 [0] (~4d6c62b0@www.haxx.se) 15.06.19 Quit webguest23 (Client Quit) 15.08.42 Quit kevku (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit bluebrother^ (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit Mineo (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit evilnick (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit jordan` (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit Farthen (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit parafin (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit GodEater (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit ranmachan (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit niekie (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit ukleinek (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit Elfish (*.net *.split) 15.08.43 Quit Rondom (*.net *.split) 15.10.43 Join kevku [0] (x@2001:470:1f15:1d8f::) 15.10.43 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 15.10.43 Join Mineo [0] (~wh@2001:638:904:ffca:4261:86ff:fe87:5544) 15.10.43 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 15.10.43 Join jordan` [0] (~gromit@posteauge.rsr.lip6.fr) 15.10.43 Join Farthen [0] (~Farthen@2a01:4f8:101:2a4:0:bc28:b2e1:9) 15.10.43 Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in) 15.10.43 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.10.43 Join ranmachan [0] (ranma@2a01:4f8:130:9321::2) 15.10.43 Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie) 15.10.43 Join ukleinek [0] (~ukl@octopus.hi.pengutronix.de) 15.10.43 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2a01:4f8:100:90a1:abc:abc:abc:abc) 15.10.43 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@2a01:488:66:1000:b24d:4f2f:0:1) 15.16.08 Quit Martus (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 15.23.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.41.02 Quit Xerion (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.45.25 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.45.50 Quit rmancy (Quit: Leaving) 15.52.18 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 16.03.17 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 16.13.10 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 16.15.51 Join mortalis [0] (4d6c62b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.108.98.176) 16.16.17 Quit mortalis (Client Quit) 16.17.34 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet-math.org) 16.24.15 Join n1s [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.29.00 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@66.251.202.254) 16.36.29 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose!) 16.40.46 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.48.44 Quit bluefoxx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.49.37 Join bluefoxx_ [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 16.54.00 Join webguest84 [0] (~4d6c62b0@www.haxx.se) 16.54.42 Quit webguest84 (Client Quit) 16.58.14 Join y4n [0] (y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 17.04.38 Quit y4n (Quit: 6,000,000 ways to die — choose one.) 17.09.35 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498A288.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.11.15 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.13.53 Join webguest03 [0] (~4d6c62b0@www.haxx.se) 17.16.29 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 17.16.47 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 17.23.11 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.23.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.25.10 Quit God_Eater (Quit: Page closed) 17.28.31 Quit simonlnu (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17.31.23 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17.34.33 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) 17.38.40 Part Zagor 17.47.23 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 17.51.01 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 18.11.02 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@g228173242.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.11.30 Join Stummi [0] (~Stummi@rockbox/developer/Stummi) 18.11.58 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.17.33 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@203.184.50.187) 18.18.28 Join hilbert [0] (~hilbert@adsl-89-217-42-135.adslplus.ch) 18.18.55 # <[Saint_AndChat]> So, who do I beat to death for enabling android status bar? 18.19.00 # <[Saint_AndChat]> ;) 18.20.05 # zagor, wasn't it? 18.20.08 # and it's clearly useful 18.20.28 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Sure, but a pita for me ;) 18.22.25 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I'm not sure how to deal with it. Screens are no longer a known size. 18.22.44 Join chkktri_ [0] (chikakitaa@ip-78-139-196-175.danet.in) 18.22.45 # <[Saint_AndChat]> The status bar can differ in height, no? 18.22.55 # oh god 18.23.04 # how did you guys use colinux? 18.23.27 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Easily. 18.23.38 # <[Saint_AndChat]> And, very well. :) 18.23.43 # I also wondered about that... is it turn-offable, are there two status bars now? 18.24.00 # didn't get around to trying yet though 18.24.06 # is here guide on how to setup local file sharing thrugh cofs? 18.24.38 # <[Saint_AndChat]> pixelma: the commit wasn't very descriptive. I've no idea. 18.24.55 # i played with it for hour and couldn't get network or cofs 18.25.29 # chkktri_: don't think (m)any people here use that anymore 18.25.58 # if you are going to do rockbox development, a vm is what most people use 18.26.02 # hmm 18.26.08 # i tried it before 18.26.18 # well, most people on windows 18.26.36 # but couldn't get rockbox image working on virtual box 18.27.02 # it halts on waiting for root fs or something like that 18.27.06 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Use Ubuntu, then. 18.27.19 Quit dfkt|n (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.27.24 # there's image with ubuntu? 18.27.51 # <[Saint_AndChat]> No need. 18.28.07 # chkktri_: i think ubuntu provides images, you can use one of them and set up the toolchains like for native linux 18.28.14 # ah you mean i could compile toolchain on plain ubuntu image? 18.28.16 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Boot Ubuntu, download the source, build toolchain.done. 18.28.24 # ah right 18.28.37 # can you rmind how that script was named? 18.28.59 # chkktri_: yes 18.29.05 # <[Saint_AndChat]> rockboxdev.sh 18.29.09 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 18.29.35 # thanks. 18.29.40 # [Saint_AndChat]: regarding different heights - maybe you could leave some blank and position the viewport via the negative numbers offset from the bottom? 18.29.58 # *viewports 18.30.16 # not very nice though 18.30.37 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Ill.probably have to, and no, its not. 18.30.53 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Having computer issues here presently :-( 18.32.50 # oh btw what's height of default rockbox statusbar? 18.33.07 # <[Saint_AndChat]> 8px 18.33.36 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Or is it 12...hmmm. 18.34.16 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Sysfont is 8px, statusbar is 12, I THINK. 18.34.33 # ok, i'll check both 18.35.02 # want to show fullscreen album art then screen is locked 18.35.20 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Not possible. 18.35.24 # eh? 18.35.30 # but i do it now 18.35.36 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Unless your screen is perfectly square. 18.35.45 # <[Saint_AndChat]> It'll crop edges. 18.35.53 # problem is that last 12 or 8 lines a overlapped with statusbar 18.36.14 # well it's stretched to 240x240 18.38.45 # oh was that detuned VRC7 chip fixed in current svn? 18.39.22 # i remember downloading... r300467 or so and VRC7 was detuned 18.39.29 # detuned VRC7 chip? 18.39.33 # yes 18.39.41 # in new nsf engine 18.40.12 # I don't remember seeing anyone change something in that recently 18.40.24 # ah that's sad 18.40.38 # or did libgme take over nsf? 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19.55.50 # already have sdk image with builded toolchain 19.55.56 Quit Horscht (Client Quit) 19.56.15 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-224-62.26-151.libero.it) 19.56.28 # chkktri_: you asked something about VRC7 chip, is there anything going wrong with it since the change to libgme? 19.56.44 # ah 19.57.04 # well it wasn't supported in nez plug at all 19.57.10 # no wait 19.57.26 # how was it called.. notsofatso! 19.57.34 # so it's nice 19.58.42 # Buschel, should i sent you somensf files to test? 19.59.36 # so, there is an issue? what is it like and did this come in with the libgme change? 20.02.35 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.02.57 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 20.03.07 # what is it like.. well one chip is just sound tuned up to 2 notes or so 20.03.37 # using another clock base? 20.03.40 # and yes i didn't noticed that in sepparated nsf engine 20.03.46 # yah maybe that 20.03.52 # yeah* 20.04.21 # hmmm 20.04.38 # i have feeling like you don't have such problem 20.04.49 # is that right? 20.05.21 # I need some more sample files, mine are maybe bad examples 20.05.29 # can yo just upload a few of them? 20.05.32 # sure 20.05.36 # lemme find some 20.06.04 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@c-76-105-253-71.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 20.08.15 Quit kushalone (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.09.29 # http://tails.bloodheaven.net/!Music/packs%20compos%20etc/FCM5_Entries/COVER/entry010.nsf 20.09.39 # here this one should be perfect 20.09.48 # dl'ing 20.10.02 Join kushalone [0] (~kushal@pool-108-35-41-8.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 20.11.53 Quit kushalone (Client Quit) 20.12.25 # and you compare the current version of rockbox against what exactly? 20.13.01 # against nezplug and nsf player i found in patches 20.13.08 # from gama 20.13.22 # it's also based on gme 20.13.31 # the current svn *is* the patch from gama 20.13.35 # yes 20.13.47 # he ported whole gme iirc 20.13.52 # yes 20.14.16 # so, current svn is detuned compared to one gama's patches? 20.14.21 # yup 20.14.41 # good, which one of gama's patches is the last working one? 20.15.00 # uh i didn't checked those gme patches 20.15.27 Quit GermanMushroom (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 20.15.28 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498A288.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.15.29 # last one i used was last one in "new nsf codec" thread 20.16.03 # after that i destroyed my toolchain and didn't made any new builds 20.16.42 # question is, is gme using the right clock or do the others use the right clock? ;) 20.17.01 # by others you mean earlier nsf pattch? 20.17.09 # yes 20.17.21 # others use right one 20.17.33 # do you have the FS number from the old patch? 20.17.53 # it was 30000 20.18.52 # the flyspray number cannot be that large 20.19.06 # oh 20.19.11 # mistook with revision 20.19.20 # no, i don't remember it 20.19.33 Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (~Saint]@122.63.204.198) 20.19.56 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Client Quit) 20.20.40 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@203.184.50.187) 20.20.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11999 20.20.53 # found 20.20.55 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.22.08 # and this one worked? the VRC7 clock is defined the same 20.22.18 # well it worked 20.22.28 # maybe problem was not in clock base? 20.22.35 # maybe... 20.22.42 Quit webguest03 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 20.22.54 # hm let's check svn i just compiled 20.26.55 # eeh 20.27.05 # sd card is gone 20.27.32 # i mean sometimes it couldn't mount it and i got an error 20.27.39 # but now it booted 20.27.55 # but with "could not find rockbox directory" 20.30.15 # same with one downloaded from rockbox site 20.30.17 # damn 20.30.32 # Buschel, any ideas on what happened? 20.31.10 # seems like you have no".rockbox" folder on yur target 20.31.39 # well i installed rockbox on SD since internal memory of D2 is read only 20.34.40 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5DD57628.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.34.40 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 20.34.40 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.35.54 # I will not be a great help with this :/ 20.36.01 # ok 20.36.13 # but could you report it to somebody? 20.37.07 # the best would be if you write a bug report in flyspray. I can than contact gama to take a look at it. 20.37.24 # no i mean problem with booting 20.37.47 # i'll write about this to flyspray too 20.38.04 # well, let's see if somebody else here might just help you in the next minutes 20.38.10 # yup 20.40.02 # <[Saint]> D2 guys are few and far between these days. 20.40.19 # i remember at leat one 20.40.36 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 20.45.09 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@chello062178002170.1.11.univie.teleweb.at) 20.45.09 Quit dfkt|n (Changing host) 20.45.09 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 20.46.12 # sent mail to joshua 20.46.22 # let's see if he has same problem 20.46.54 # do you know which version of the patch in FS#11999 you used? 20.46.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11999 3New NSF (Nintendo Sound Format) codec based on Game_Music_Emu ;) (patches, closed) 20.47.29 # last one 20.47.59 # from June 20.48.05 # yes 20.49.36 # if you don't mind i will return tomorrow 20.49.49 # here* 20.50.47 # please do me one favor and test r30264 20.50.58 # ah 20.50.59 # ok 20.51.12 # is there builded one or i should sompile it? 20.51.17 # c* 20.51.22 # you will need to compile it 20.51.26 # ok 20.51.39 # how to revert changes in svn? 20.51.49 # <[Saint]> Svn revert 20.51.58 # just call "svn update -r30264" 20.52.07 # <[Saint]> Or that. 21.03.54 # oh great 21.03.59 # white screen 21.04.20 # i wonder if that's because if 32gb sdhc 21.04.57 # well it booted once 21.05.01 # let's check 21.05.16 # chkktri_, which player are you using? 21.05.33 # cowon D2+ 21.05.50 # Buschel, nope same detuned sound 21.06.53 # good, then your effect was not caused by the fixed point changes. best would be to contact gama 21.07.06 # already repled in FS 21.07.17 Quit dhrasmus (Quit: Leaving) 21.07.22 # and now bye~ 21.07.34 # thank you for testing 21.07.39 # no problem 21.07.51 # mail me if you need anything else 21.08.03 # though i'm always on freenode 21.08.38 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.08.39 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.08.45 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@203.184.50.187) 21.09.19 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.09.48 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 21.11.01 Quit KiwiCam (Quit: Leaving) 21.14.33 Quit Stummi (Quit: Bye!) 21.23.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.32.20 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 21.33.12 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 21.36.42 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@5419A766.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 21.40.38 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 21.42.33 Join FlynDice [0] (~jack@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.44.09 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.28) 21.45.27 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) 21.47.51 Quit dfkt|n () 21.48.21 # bertrik: I went back and found some of the code I used in dualboot.s when I was working on the clip+. Take a look at these for dualboot.s: http://pastie.org/822205 , http://pastie.org/812463 , http://pastie.org/816726 , and here's some commented disassembly for the clip+ button driver to compare to also: http://pastie.org/823431 21.50.10 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.52.45 Quit FlynDice (Remote host closed the connection) 22.04.18 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) 22.06.20 Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org) 22.06.20 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 22.07.40 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 22.11.26 # pixelma: the android statusbar is always visible. I suppose we could have a "fullscreen" option, but I don't see much point 22.12.06 # the screens were different sizes already. my commit didn't change that. 22.12.39 # we needed do solve it before, and we still need to solve it 22.13.29 # I'm currently toying with the idea of replacing all pixel coordinates with decipercent 22.16.52 # people are now forced to fix their themes though for whatever reason. And what size does a backdrop now have to bw? 22.17.03 # *be 22.17.52 # uh yeah, fix their themes for a port we don't even release alpha builds for... 22.18.20 # not every android phone is 480x800 you know. it wasn't before, still isn't. 22.19.09 # it might make sense to handle the Android statusbar similar to the Rockbox statusbar. I.e. make it some kind of sbs that simply isn't changeable :) 22.19.26 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.19.45 # but to give some sort of concrete answer, the android bar is 38 pixels for high-density screens 22.20.04 # bluebrother^: huh? we can't change the android status bar. it's ... android. 22.20.08 Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@maf.wirelesstcp.net) 22.20.24 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.61.232) 22.20.28 # well, some could use already existing themes - e.g. on my phones gigabeat ports fit. It's not that important to me but just saying. It's also not about placement of stuff only but also about redundancy or not 22.21.04 # pixelma: yes, that's why we need a proper solution. not 47 different hand-crafted theme variations. 22.21.07 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.21.08 # is the 38 meant as an answer about the backdrop size? 22.21.49 # pixelma: yes, the display area is not 38 pixels shorter vertically on high-density devices. 22.21.53 # s/not/now 22.21.58 # Zagor: sure. I meant make some sbs tag (or whatever) that simply displays the Android statusbar (or hides it), and that sbs then gets a fixed height 22.22.39 # and where does 'high density' start :\ 22.22.44 Quit GermanMushroom (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.23.00 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 22.23.10 # pixelma: exactly! 22.23.19 # huh? 22.24.13 # being upset at me for enabling the status bar is illogical. the problem is that android devices differ. a lot. we can't handle that with pixel-sized themes. 22.25.02 # I'll fix up the cabbie 480x800 theme so it's ok. but in the end we need more than short-term fixes. 22.25.05 # that was actually meant as a question... I'm not sure if my 240x320 screen is 'high density'. I'd guess not but you never know 22.25.14 # well, proper Android support would mean a native UI anyway :) 22.25.20 # pixelma: how many inches is it? 22.25.34 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.25.42 # puh... 22.25.47 # bluebrother^: not necessarily. look at angry birds. no native ui, still handles every screen. 22.26.07 # pixelma: that was serious. density = pixels / physical size 22.26.11 # I'd have to measure or search 22.26.22 # Zagor: but how do they do it? Render everything as vectors first? 22.27.40 # I don't know how they specifically do it, but it can be done by having density-specific "assets" (bitmaps and fonts) and doing scaling for the smaller variations 22.28.06 # android defines four densities: low, medium, high, veryhigh 22.28.14 # btw, any thoughts on the Album Art in notification thing I was working on a while ago? I might just go ahead and commit it the next couple of days. Unless someone has objections :) 22.28.42 # do you have a screenshot I can peek at? 22.28.51 # I don't think just enabling the native bar is also not a nice solution. We've had theming before - now it's somewhat limited (at least how much it makes sense), it's not turn-offable. Currently it's something 'in between' 22.29.11 # Zagor: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/device-2011-09-01-215739.png 22.29.49 # Zagor: or try the patch in the same folder :) 22.29.50 # bluebrother^: looks very nice to me 22.30.14 # I'm using it since a while and like it too :) 22.30.32 # and the height of their statusbar is probably less known than the actual screen size (as I do) and still important for e.g. the backdrop 22.30.45 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@203.184.50.187) 22.32.36 # Zagor: looks like it 2.5 inch 22.32.39 # this indicates that the statusbar has only 3 different heights: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3407256/height-of-status-bar-in-android 22.33.01 # though I wouldn't count on that values. Being able to adjust dynamically to it would be the best 22.33.11 Quit ChickeNES (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 22.35.26 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I've no idea what to do about the theme, now. 22.35.44 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Not having a known height is a pain. 22.37.52 # <[Saint_AndChat]> To top things off I also don't have a working machine around here to play around with, one is in bits, and the other broke down in some form of spectacular fashion last night. 22.40.54 # I don't know, it came a bit too much 'out of the blue' for my taste 22.40.55 Quit Xerion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.41.25 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 22.42.28 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Right. Its nice to have, but it needs a bit more though regarding how it affects themes. 22.44.19 # the main problem is that the current theming assumes that the screen size is fixed. 22.44.45 # which simply doesn't work in that case 22.45.00 Join CaptainKewl [0] (captainkew@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ub2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 22.45.14 # it's still fixed for one device 22.45.18 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Right. 22.45.57 # if we assume the statusbar height can be variable not really 22.46.12 # themes on android don't work. period. my status bar commit didn't change that. 22.46.28 # and while the Android statusbar might be fixed for each screen size "class" these days I wouldn't count on that staying that way 22.46.35 # we need to solve that. please stop fussing about this tiny irrelevant detail :-) 22.46.43 # * pixelma still doesn't know what actual usable size her phone's screen has now 22.46.49 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Zagor: ? 22.47.00 # Zagor: so how should theming work on Android at all? 22.47.11 # <[Saint_AndChat]> "Themes don't work"? 22.47.13 # we need some form of scaling 22.47.21 # * bluebrother^ thinks the only sensible solution would be a native interface 22.47.32 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Not gonna happen, really. 22.47.36 # bluebrother^: native means no theming. loooots of people like theming. 22.47.49 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Positioning, maybe, images, nope. 22.48.00 Quit thomasjfox (Remote host closed the connection) 22.48.07 # <[Saint_AndChat]> This has already been looked at. 22.48.10 # [Saint_AndChat]: we already scale images 22.48.21 # at least the inbuilt player's WPS sucks 22.48.27 # but no, I'm not considering image scaling at the first step 22.48.34 # only positions 22.49.40 # "not gonna happen" isn't an answer. if scaling doesn't happen, android doesn't happen. it's as clear as that. 22.50.27 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I've not tested yet, I assume this commit breaks my theme as now it'll have OOB values. 22.51.19 # yes, it breaks it by pushing part of the sbs buttons off screen 22.51.56 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Its also going to be much better to do this positioning via the theme, as opposed to some in-core solution. 22.51.58 # wouldn't it mean that currently you'd need up to three themes per screen size if you are using backdrop's? 22.52.13 # I've tweaked it for my variation of your theme 22.52.14 # urgh.. *backdrops 22.52.27 # <[Saint_AndChat]> pixelma: I believe so, yes. 22.52.29 # pixelma: up to three? more like at least six 22.52.43 # why six? 22.52.51 # per screen size? 22.53.02 # 800 and 854 px screen heights, three different status bar heights 22.53.25 # and that's only for the ~800px phones 22.53.45 # afaiu the status bar on those devices will always be the large size 22.53.59 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Is there a setting to disable the status bar? 22.54.02 # that answer confuses me 22.54.07 # bluebrother^: only on the ~4 inch devices 22.54.50 # the point is, and I'm going in a loop here, we can't count pixels on android 22.55.13 # true 22.55.19 # <[Saint_AndChat]> A few apps have a setting to hide the status bar, is this the case with your commit? 22.55.26 # well, we can count them but we can't count on them ;-) 22.55.36 # I bet some phone manufacturer themes use yet more different sizes of status bar. and android 3.0 adds fun sidebars too. 22.56.03 # how does 3.0 handle the button bar? Is that substracted from the height as well? 22.56.04 # Zagor: my point was that this in between thing makes it worse than before currentl 22.56.07 # y 22.56.08 # bluebrother^: yes 22.56.27 # pixelma: I rather see it as this exposes how bad the situation is 22.57.36 # hmm, that makes it even more complicated. We really need some runtime screen size stuff for those cases 22.57.45 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Zagor: is there a setting for the setting for enable/disable the status bar? It'd make themes easier. Slightly. 22.58.08 # I believe he said no to that befor 22.58.10 # e 22.58.33 # [Saint_AndChat]: no. we could add one for aestetic reasons, but it doesn't help the pixel problem 22.58.54 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Ah, whoops, I must have missed that. Limited scrollback. 22.59.09 # and what density is a 2.5 inch 240x320 screen? :\ 23.00.00 # pixelma: I think that's a medium-density display. I'm not sure though. 23.00.02 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Zagor: it would also help with themes. If its turned off, and I can check its turned off (a .cfg value) then there are known values to use. 23.00.21 # [Saint_AndChat]: are there? are you sure? 23.00.59 # sure, for your own personal theme for your current single phone. but I'd like something a little more generic. 23.01.29 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@g228173242.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.01.47 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Well...yeah. if the statusbar is off we know we can use the full screen. 23.01.47 Quit T44 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.02.11 # ...except on android 3 23.03.00 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Why? If the statusbar is off, it'd be just the same as prior to your commit. 23.03.39 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Oh...right. side bars. 23.03.43 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Hmmmm. 23.04.11 # as I understand it, android 3 adds a button bar 23.04.26 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF05282.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.06.26 # which brings me back to the decipercent idea... 23.07.01 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049135243.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.07.11 Quit GermanMushroom (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.08.47 # After some hacking I have moderate success with backtrace on ARM. 23.09.08 # wodz: nice 23.09.23 # <[Saint_AndChat]> A setting for this would help themes insofar as checking the statusbar setting and shrinking the album art (easiest way to get some space out of the .wps), or UI vieqport (depending on where you are, be it menus or playback) and moving some positioning values to suit. 23.09.55 # wodz, what does a backtrace consist of? a bunch of addresses? 23.09.57 # I need to rethink how this can be used from exception handler though 23.10.04 # bertrik: yes 23.10.35 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.11.14 # if that doesn't lead to not being able to use unscaled images, maybe worth a try. But I doubt that you'd get ok results from one source for a lot of different screen sizes... I expect there still have to be a few 'layouts' 23.11.51 # especially thinking of display aspect ratio, font sizes etc. 23.13.00 # wodz, I guess you can just print the addresses on the screen. Or are you thinking of persisting the backtrace data across a reboot? 23.13.59 # pixelma: yes, I agree. I still think we need several different themes/wps files, but at least not one for every single variation 23.14.48 # bertrik: I was thinking about printing on the screen, representation is not the problem. The problem is how it works. It needs proper SP and PC values to start at. 23.14.49 # and I don't think moving to scaled layout on normal targets has any point. only on raaa. 23.16.13 # bertrik: During my limited tries I was unable to pass correct values other than current PC and SP which is not the case when called from exception handler. 23.16.14 # from earlier experience about band-aid fixes... I just hope that this doesn't stay too long in this inbetween state 23.16.57 # indeed (about the other targets), maybe other app ports 23.17.10 # you mean you'd like the cabbie fix for 762-high screen? 23.17.33 # huh? 23.17.48 # what is "this inbetween state"? 23.19.01 # enabled android status bar but not prepared for more - now needing versions for different densities in case one wants backdrops 23.19.30 # no 23.19.43 # that didn't change with my commit 23.21.18 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 23.21.19 Join jludwig [0] (~jludwig@adsl-99-50-125-253.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) 23.22.45 # Hey guys.. I have an iPod Classic an used embios to install Rockbox 23.23.30 # and it worked.. except it says there's no .rockbox directory so it doesn't actually play any songs or games or anything 23.23.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.23.56 # Zagor: what didn't change with your commit? 23.24.14 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.24.15 # jludwig: you installed 'bootloader' not the actual rockbox firmware 23.25.03 # wodz: Really? THanks a bunch -- I used the Wiki instructions to do it and have been googling that error message for a while now 23.25.41 # pixelma: the fact that you need different versions for different screen sizes. I just changed the screen size. 23.25.56 # jludwig: you need to have .rockbox dir with proper content in the root dir of your player 23.27.19 # wodz: I can't seem to find anything about that on the freemyipod.org wiki. What phrases should I look up to find out how? 23.27.27 # Zagor: I meant, now it's screen size and densities that count, so if your 762 stands for 'many' you now need 2286 in the worst case if one wants backdrops ;) 23.28.12 # wodz: wait.. I think I found it. For some reason my eyes missed that line during the last three hours 23.28.12 # backdrops are cropped, so unless you have a pixel-perfect backdrop you can use the same for several sizes 23.28.14 Quit Llorean (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.28.16 Join Llorean1 [0] (~DarkkOne@99-68-45-56.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 23.29.23 # with pixel-perfect I mean a backdrop with details indented to line up with the right and bottom edges of the screen 23.31.01 # interesting, looks like I missed that explanation before 23.32.00 # I thought backdrops needed to be exactly the screen size which now differs depending on what density the phone is 23.33.20 # WOW. 23.33.33 # That was easy... I can't believe I missed that part. 23.33.40 # at least the 480x800 backdrop still works fine on the now-480x762 screen 23.33.43 # Thanks so much wodz, and thanks so so much devs! 23.34.53 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-217-241.t-mobile.co.uk) 23.34.55 Join Tupish [0] (JavaUser@c-9d28e253.272-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 23.36.32 # jludwig: you welcom 23.36.36 # e 23.37.34 Quit hilbert (Remote host closed the connection) 23.37.51 Join hilbert [0] (~hilbert@adsl-89-217-42-135.adslplus.ch) 23.38.29 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 23.41.23 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 23.45.27 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 23.45.48 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer)