--- Log for 30.09.111 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.36 Quit matze` (Remote host closed the connection) 00.01.42 # Zagor: maybe a problem of me not understanding it correctly - does the screen size still count as the full screen and only the statusbar overlapping? Hmm, no, then the statement about pixel-perfect lower borders would be wrong... I'm a bit confused still it seems 00.02.30 # no, the space for the status are does not count as our screen space. so we have a smaller screen now. 00.02.42 # it's "pushed down" 00.08.00 Part Tupish 00.08.10 # <[7]> jludwig: heh, as soon as people see a first sign of partial success they start skipping instructions and think they're finished 00.09.10 # is it really - how to put it - diminished or pushed down into unusable or invisible space? 00.10.13 # I don't understand the question 00.10.58 # I was afraid so 00.12.29 # is the new screen height really full height - status bar height or still full hight but pushed down that you just can't see the bottom rows 00.12.47 # internally 00.13.10 # internally in rockbox or in android? 00.13.30 # it's just that I'm still surprised about backdrops being cropped 00.13.55 # in Rockbox 00.14.33 # right, the rockbox frame buffer is unchanged. the cropping is done by android. 00.14.53 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.18.56 Quit hilbert (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 00.20.03 # aha. So it might have other implications, e.g. there is this way of viewport positioning off of the right or bottom border using negative values where that could be visible too, or hmm... what if e.g. someone now uses a font height less than android status bar height and the last line of a menu would be at the bottom and since that menu would just fit and hence isn't scrollable - wouldn't you end up being unable to select or even see that item? 00.21.48 # yes. the are zillions of bugs when using fixed-pixel positioning on a dynamic-size screens. 00.22.14 # again, my statusbar commit did not cause that! 00.22.16 Join soap [0] (~soap@94.75.232.194) 00.22.17 Quit soap (Changing host) 00.22.17 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 00.22.34 # it made it worse for now though 00.22.46 Quit liar (Quit: hallowed are the ori!) 00.22.56 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@115-64-195-104.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.23.14 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 00.23.20 # I disagree. I think it took the android app a big step towards looking like a proper app. 00.24.00 # yes, themes need to be adjusted. but we can't release with these themes anyway, they are just temporary test files. 00.24.58 Quit ender` (Quit: Computers are terrific - they beget terror.) 00.29.27 # having impossible menu items is a usability issue though. And yes I missed the android status bar at first too but am concerned about this half-solution, it's just not how I work 00.30.02 # this is not a half-solution. themes on android is a half-solution. 00.30.53 # I would like to discuss a proper solution instead of bickering about how the status bar affects the current non-solution 00.31.53 # yeah, I'd liked a discussion about that before 00.45.58 # I'd just like to say.. <333 Rockbox so far 00.47.39 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Quit: AndChat - Android IRC Client - http://www.andchat.net/) 00.55.39 Quit Mineo (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.05.00 Join ReimuHakurei [0] (~reimu@wireless.sit-co.net) 01.15.34 Quit ReimuHakurei (*.net *.split) 01.17.02 Part Zagor 01.17.50 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 01.18.46 Join ReimuHakurei [0] (~reimu@wireless.sit-co.net) 01.18.48 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-224-241.t-mobile.co.uk) 01.23.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.34.41 Part toffe82 01.44.07 Join Lucifer [0] (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 01.44.27 Nick Lucifer is now known as Guest57392 (fuzzylomba@S0106e0cb4e0a6d8a.vs.shawcable.net) 01.47.19 Quit bluefoxx_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.47.38 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Heading home) 01.58.12 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.02.37 Quit Llorean1 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.03.09 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@99-68-45-56.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 02.06.59 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 02.07.00 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 02.33.45 Quit mc2739 (Quit: leaving) 02.35.00 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@71.20.73.59) 02.35.04 Quit mc2739 (Changing host) 02.35.04 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 02.46.35 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@97-114-233-50.sxcy.qwest.net) 02.46.35 Quit advcomp2019_ (Changing host) 02.46.35 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.49.15 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.50.50 Quit user829385 (Quit: Leaving.) 03.00.03 Join user829385 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 03.00.03 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.00.59 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03.02.14 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049135243.adsl.alicedsl.de) 03.12.14 Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03.23.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.28.07 Join nrg [0] (~nrg@75-120-131-253.dyn.centurytel.net) 03.29.13 Quit GeekShadow (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.29.27 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.187.125) 03.31.09 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@77.166.21.93.rev.sfr.net) 03.31.21 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.41.12 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@77.166.21.93.rev.sfr.net) 03.41.54 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.45.00 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.46.11 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@77.166.21.93.rev.sfr.net) 03.46.12 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 03.46.58 Quit GeekShadow (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.51.10 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@77.166.21.93.rev.sfr.net) 04.08.41 Quit Rob2223 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.08.56 Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFF3128.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.16.27 Quit factor (Quit: Leaving) 04.18.22 Quit alexbobp (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.19.18 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@108.60.198.57) 04.27.01 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 04.35.10 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.35.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.35.11 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.35.11 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.35.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.35.30 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.40.05 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 04.40.17 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.59.32 Quit evilnick (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 05.09.18 Join csavery [0] (~7d1a4994@www.haxx.se) 05.16.08 # Hey. Just upgraded to 3.9.1 and haven't been on here for more than a year. There seems to be a bug in the WPS<>PictureFlow integration that was not present in my last version. I coded some improvements to WPS<>PictureFlow integration last year and so this is a surprise to me. When switching back from PictureFlow to WPS now it loses the album image. That is, when first playing an album it shows the album art on WPS but now it seems any time you leave WPS and 05.16.59 # Oops. Note - this is on Sansa Fuze v2. 05.23.41 # The best plan is to file a proper bug report if it's still broken in current builds. 05.23.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.26.22 # i have a pretty old build like 1 year + of rockbox for fuze v2 05.26.30 # have there been a lot of good improvements? 05.26.42 # this one is working fine for me so i haven't upgraded 05.27.23 # Just did a bit more fiddling around and I think it's related to theme cfg file. I checked Cabbie v2 and it works ok. But my own custom "sonata" cfg shows this problem. I recall hearing that theme cfg files were changing format. I guess there is some version issues that I'm seeing cause this problem. 05.30.51 # Were the themes on the web site all comnverted at some time. I see my Sonata theme there still so maybe I should download it and try it if it's been updated. 05.41.55 # nrg: I don't know all improvements but I did read that the codecs efficiency was improved in some release notes. I think likely some things like that are better. I upgraded as I just expected maybe a few quirky bugs I see may have been fixed in the last year. Hoping for that anyway. 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(~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.30.13 # New commit by 03zagor (r30620): Disable android status bar again, until we have a generic theme solution. 08.30.44 # Zagor: I see you found out why it wasn't enabled yet :) 08.31.16 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.31.21 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08.31.23 # Zagor:perhaps yyou want to continue http://repo.or.cz/w/kugel-rb.git/shortlog/refs/heads/host_statusbar ? 08.31.29 # I need help. I have a sans fuze with rockbox. I went thru all the setting and finally it's readable to my eyes and doesnt look so amature I cant stand it. (I still cant figure out how to record.) But I want to connect it to this mac and the mac thinks it's a keyboard! But the sansa saysMultimedia something or other. Could you PLEASE help this woman out and tell me how to adjust it for utility. I want to be able to look at the file syst 08.31.29 # em of the sansa through usb. (at least it can see it,! thats a good thing.) one thing at a time!! and did I yet say ... thanks! 08.31.44 # I rather found out that it's apparently impossible to discuss the solution while status bar is enabled 08.31.49 # it adds the host statusbar as new statusbar option, so it can be disabled by themes (e.g. in the wps) 08.32.04 # r30620 build result: All green 08.32.25 # I remember that there was such a control but I spent a loong time yesterday looking thru almost everything in the menus. 08.32.54 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.33.44 # the only problem is that android doesn't seem to handle it well if I force the framebuffer's origin at [0, 0] even with statusbar (enabling the bar causes a short glitch with that patch) 08.34.05 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 08.35.24 # I don't think fullscreen is important. the screens on android devices are huge already, and the status/notification bar is an important part of android. 08.36.11 # so I won't put effort into making that an option. although I probably won't argue against if anyone else wants to do it. 08.36.29 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.37.51 # I agree we shouldn't default to deactivating, but if it's up to the theme I don't mind it as an option 08.38.28 # I thought integrating it with the current statusbar framework is possibly less effort 08.39.29 # oh kugel here 08.39.42 # is you one who works on maemo port? 08.40.15 # nope 08.40.36 # ah then who works? 08.40.45 # nobody at the moment 08.41.02 # and theres no info on compiling it? 08.41.05 # thomasjfox did all the hard work, though 08.41.29 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.41.46 # chkktri_: try http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MaemoPort 08.41.48 # one early thing to do is fix the skin engine to allow overlapping images and thus remove the need for putting UI elements in the backdrop 08.41.51 # i got nin existing packages error but they seems to be maemo ones and can't be instaled on ubuntu 08.42.17 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08.42.23 # I didn't know we had such a limitation 08.42.43 # does thomas visits this channel? 08.42.46 # well, if we support more than 1bit alpha then it might work 08.42.50 # visit* 08.43.03 # no, this is not about alpha 08.43.04 # but often you put stuff on the backdrop because it allows for nicer borders 08.43.38 # sorry, it is. 08.43.55 # Help me. It's now playing music and I dont know how to get out of that mode. I was in Edit settings. I put it down, the whole thing turned off and when I turned it back on it was in play music mode. yesterday I must have set it in start up with play music mode. HELP 08.44.09 # This has been totally unworkable for me. 08.44.25 # And I want to hook it to the mac. 08.44.40 # partially, it is. but even without >1 bit alpha, proper overlap removes the need for backdrop in cabbie 08.44.45 # Zagor: we have the ability to do 4bit alpha channel, it's used for anti aliased fonts 08.45.26 # right, for cabbie it's mostly overlapping 08.45.36 # I need to record some meditations so I can play them back. I got into garage band a little but I didnt know how to get the metronome gone. It was a game of try and see what wored in garage band. Hacking we used to call that. It was pretty unworkable. I never thought that I would lust for "sound recorder' (basic windows thingy. 08.45.36 # so that's a start 08.46.02 # does cabbie even have elements on the backdrop? 08.46.09 # the top bar perhaps 08.46.12 # tripelb: disable the USB HID option, I forgot where exactly the option is but I guess in general settings > system 08.46.20 # yes, grey buttons and progress background 08.46.20 # New commit by 03jethead71 (r30621): Do a bandaid fix for the moment to address FS#12250 : Playback freezes when using speed or pitch change. Task should remain open for now since this is ... 08.46.31 # and the top bar, yes 08.46.33 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.46.51 # Zagor: you mean svn cabbie? 08.46.55 # yes 08.47.15 # both can be solved using other tags 08.47.37 # Zagor: those wouldn't be needed even today. From what I remember you could have the same look without placing them in the backdrop 08.47.40 # how? I fiddled with it yesterday but was unable to get any overlap. 08.47.52 # pixelma: great! 08.48.00 # indeed, saint's cabbie doesnt have elements on the backdrop 08.48.04 # r30621 build result: All green 08.48.04 # what overlap? 08.48.12 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 08.48.35 # pixelma: progress bar and shuffle/repeat buttons need to be drawn on top of their dimmed counterparts 08.48.47 # or is there another solution? 08.49.30 # just put the grey images (the dimmed ones) into the false comditions, they will be replaced completely anyway 08.49.31 # ahah 08.49.35 # of course, I don't want the shuffle/repeat buttons there so primarily progressbar then ;-) 08.49.46 # conditions too 08.50.03 # i dint compiled it in scratchbox, that was problem 08.50.16 # pixelma: ok, nice. how do I fix the progressbar? 08.50.34 # and I believe you can have separate background images for the background but never tried that myself 08.51.01 # the later background should have been a progress bar 08.51.01 # Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Bar_Tags 08.51.33 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.51.56 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 08.52.40 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.52.57 # kugel: aha, thanks 08.53.02 # I think placing the playback controls centered and the shuffle and repeat buttons to their left and right would be a compromise between cabbiev2 and android feel... just an idea I just had, not sure if it's really goog 08.53.08 # or good 08.53.13 Join B4gder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.53.23 # another reason for stuff in the backdrop is that you can put text over images 08.53.32 # I think shuffle and repeat belong in the popup 08.53.34 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.54.22 # hello I sawa this turn blue... for meeee 08.54.48 # popup means at least one more button press and possibly moving fingers in between. I'm not a huge fan of those but since I usually don't change those option I don't care much 08.54.50 # pixelma, right now I cant get out of play song mode. I am baffled. 08.55.55 # pixelma: I don't think anyone changes those options frequently enough to require them as single-click 08.56.19 # tripelb: I don't fully understand - do you mean that you can't stop the music or not get to the menu or? 08.56.22 # pixelma, I appreciate your help. I''d found somthing about that on the manual 08.56.35 # I dont know how to stop the music and get in menu mode. pixelma 08.57.04 # * tripelb changes mick to triplebma (heh) in harmony... 08.57.20 # please no 08.57.42 # there are 6 button presses and one wheel? that's all she wrote 08.58.21 # I cant do other things (tripleb hushes her mouth and focuses) 08.58.48 # and what the manual tells you about the key mapping in the while playing screen doesn't work? 08.59.18 # * pixelma doesn't have a Fuze so wouldn't know 08.59.25 # I dont know what key mapping in the while playing screen. I never heard those words. I will check for that in the manual 08.59.36 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze.pdf 09.00.30 # Zagor: I was thinking about having a similar feel to non-app cabbies, as I said a compromise ;) 09.00.32 # nothing helpful in the namual. only in a paragraph about the chip and in the line 09.00.55 # Help: opens a brief help screen with key mapping and functionality (but I dont know what that means) 09.01.25 # OK powecycle pixelma. when in doubt ~ HEH 09.02.19 # OMG I got menu (song still playing by holding the center button down. 09.02.48 # I would kill to find a "key map" (if that's the word for a picture of what buttons do what) 09.03.23 # WPS key controls under the 'While Playing Screen' heasline 09.03.28 # headline 09.04.05 # do some wps tags use ( and some < or is that just mixed in the wiki page? 09.04.17 # () and<> for the parameter list, I mean 09.04.24 # its a context menu and vaishes easily to give me a map of suing the keys to change settings.(the play keymapping doesnt work in that mode) -- clever how it makes the keys have many contextual meanings. 09.04.30 # oh song over, repeats... 09.05.13 # ok figured out how to get to the menu. far out 09.05.52 # HID off 09.06.06 Join mshathlonxp [0] (msh@87.110.56.197) 09.06.28 # Zagor: both exist - () are usually parameters of the tags <> for conditional statements inside but I also saw some html goofing on that wiki page 09.06.31 # Zagor: no, () is for params, <> is for conditional lists 09.06.37 # will try to connect again. Question: do I need to stop the music to have the computer see the fuze as a drive? pixelma?? 09.06.42 # ok, thanks 09.06.59 # like %if(x,y,z) 09.07.37 # I made the start screen be Files and not Resume playback 09.07.56 # * tripelb grins but really wants pixelma with me. plz 09.10.25 # I cant STOP the music. 09.10.44 # really. , is there another channel in which I can ask this????? 09.10.53 # its too easy for you here? 09.12.20 # http://i.imgur.com/IrlkN.jpg 09.12.37 # Why am I getting this error message? 09.12.38 # http://i.imgur.com/IrlkN.jpg 09.12.49 # Zagor: for a set of screen sizes that don't differ too much you could already have cabbiev2 adjust a bit (by using the negative number positioning or leave blanks below). 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hi, would it be possible for me to write a completely new UI for android using the engine at the base to do the actual playing and such but having my own UI logic? 19.03.07 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 19.07.19 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54B66B82.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.08.05 # chkktri_: hi, can you confirm that the fix by gama solves the issue with VRC7 detune for you? 19.17.31 Quit soap (Quit: Leaving) 19.19.12 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.24.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.30.07 Quit hilbert (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 19.30.36 Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 19.34.04 Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.34.31 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.37.42 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 19.37.42 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 19.37.42 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.44.37 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@77.166.21.93.rev.sfr.net) 19.46.42 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-206-240-131.dynamic.chello.pl) 19.47.22 # I recall we had at tool which printed bin size of the function, where can I find this? 19.49.37 # maybe you mean /utils/analysis/bloatometer ? 19.49.57 Quit dfkt|n (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.50.07 # it compares two elf files I think 19.50.15 # yes 19.54.48 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF02B8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.55.14 Quit GermanMushroom (Quit: Ik ga weg) 20.01.11 # keyb_gr, did you notice any effect on runtime with the patch for higher internal voltages on the clip+? 20.02.59 # bertrik: how is clip zip? 20.03.22 # wodz, I have not received it yet, but it's on its way 20.04.00 # bertrik: To be honest I've never done any battery benchmarks, but extrapolated runtime from battery indication seems around the 15 hour mark or a bit short. The effect can't be huge (nor would it be expected to). 20.04.07 # basically everything is ready to start debugging, the bootloader and the main firmware compile 20.04.12 # I misunderstood than 20.04.49 # the clip zip uses the same internal PMU settings BTW, except it sets on additional voltage :) 20.04.58 # *one 20.05.34 # bertrik: What do you think of taking the voltage related parts and making a patch for all AMSv2 targets? Would this work? 20.06.54 # the only thing to make it apply to all AMSv2 players is to remove the #if 0 in system-as3525.c 20.09.06 # Ah, OK. So I take it all AMSv2 players use the default voltage so far? How'd people get 630 mVrms (~1.8Vpp) out of a Clip+ then? Or was this an "old" Clip? 20.10.48 # Maximum output at the default of 1.65 V should be 583 mVrms max. 20.11.06 # I don't know where you got those numbers 20.12.04 # the "old" clip (clipv1) uses an "AMSv1" SoC, the clipv2 and the clip+ use an AMSv2 SoC 20.13.46 # ^ That I know. When was the last time either of the AMS targets got louder in RB? People seemed proud that RB went louder than OF. That was output mixer related, IIRC... 20.14.03 # According to the datasheet, the old settings give about 0.550 mV RMS. 20.14.10 # We disabled the AGC at some point I think 20.15.31 # Do you still get "squeeks" when pausing/unpausing? 20.16.14 # bertrik: Yeah, disabling the AGC for AMSv2 was a patch of mine. 550 mVrms is about what I'd have expected. I'd have to listen for pause/unpause noises... weren't these only there with fade on? 20.18.58 # Yes, this happened during fade. The noise seems to be related to the autofade option of the hardware. When I disable that, the noise changes into a single click instead. 20.21.11 # but maybe the click will be gone with the new PMU settings 20.25.29 # Listening with my SE420s, I could hear one faint squeak the first time fade-in/out is used. Compared to regular data access noise, that's nothing. 20.26.32 # \o/ - finally made backtrace from UIE working 20.26.43 # * keyb_gr really needs to replace those tips on the Shures though... 20.30.28 Join Jerom1 [0] (~jerome@2a02:8420:218:9700:f66d:4ff:fe45:790f) 20.30.28 Quit Jerom (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.31.20 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3AD82.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.32.55 Join hilbert [0] (~hilbert@adsl-89-217-206-12.adslplus.ch) 20.36.55 Quit webguest97 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 20.42.04 # * bertrik looks for someone who can help make the clipv1 and clipv2 boot properly again 20.44.09 # bertrik: svn revert can help you :-) 20.46.20 # wodz, I tried a revert in git, but failed. I'm not that good at git though. 20.46.58 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 20.50.30 # it looks I'll have to revert 4 other commits too then, because they rely on the thing that broke clipv1/v2 booting 20.50.53 # http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/dsc00037cs.jpg/ 20.51.22 # nice 20.51.24 Quit ender` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.51.34 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 20.53.00 Quit scanf (Quit: 0) 20.56.12 # hmm, my iPod Video does not connect via USB when running rockbox. it connects fine when using the disk mode 20.59.09 # Buschel: is it recent behavior? There ware changes ~2 weeks ago how usb is detected 20.59.29 # yes, that's recent 21.00.24 # wodz: nice backtrace :) 21.00.25 # ah, I see the changes. r30546-30549 21.00.52 # yep 21.00.58 # pamaury: thanks 21.01.32 # wodz, there are a lot of other patches depending on the offending commit (14), so reverting is a bit tricky. I hope we can fix this instead of wholesale reverting. 21.01.55 # what is the offending commit ? 21.01.57 # does anyone know of a way to measure cpu load on android with some level of accuracy? 21.02.28 # pamaury, svn r 30589 21.03.06 # it prevents the clipv1 and clipv2 from properly booting (display goes black and player is unresponsive) 21.05.13 # hum, svn.rockbox.org doesn't quite respond 21.07.36 # it's very quick for me 21.10.18 # hmm, rockbox uses cpu even when playback is paused :( 21.10.57 # ? 21.11.16 # http://www.pastie.org/2618543 <- this is backtrace from screenshot deciphered 21.11.51 # on android. I'm running "top -m 10 -d 2 -s cpu" and see org.rockbox using 1-4% cpu even when paused and defocused 21.12.41 # http://pastebin.com/EULZriEr 21.13.24 # removing the widget doesn't help either 21.16.21 # the good news is our playback is slightly leaner (by a few percent) than stock mediaserver+com.google.android.android.music 21.16.31 # there is some activity when paused with buffering, the codec and audio but mostly it should be asleep in timeout 21.16.39 # though I'm not sure I catch any cpu scaling effects here 21.16.47 # there should be none though 21.17.50 # jhMikeS: yes, I am surprised 21.18.41 Quit hilbert (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 21.20.12 # it doesn't abate after a few seconds? 21.20.37 # no, it's keeps running 21.21.40 # kugel, freddyb any idea about the boot problems on clipv1 and clipv2? 21.21.50 # hmm, do we have any tick tasks running? 21.22.18 # possibly 21.22.36 # if nothing else, the timer itself 21.23.02 # there are two threads running. one consistently >1% and one just occasionally visible in the top-10 threads 21.23.24 # but all our threads are called "Rockbox thread" so it doesn't help much :) 21.23.30 # lol 21.23.56 # I'll see if they can have some more meningful names 21.24.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.24.12 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21.24.15 # I think there's an input thread and the timer in addition to the main "rockbox thread" ... kugel could probably answer that better though 21.24.55 # there's a pcm thread too 21.25.18 # can we make the rockbox scheduler "tickless" perhaps? 21.25.40 # or at least stop the tick when we're minimised and idle 21.26.38 # the second option would be easiest in the short term, I would think 21.26.51 # yes 21.28.44 # which of our vorbis test files are the most demanding to play. high-bitrate or low-bitrate? 21.29.21 # hmm, codecbenchmark should answer that..... 21.30.19 # answer: high bitrate 21.34.34 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@chello062178002170.1.11.univie.teleweb.at) 21.34.34 Quit dfkt|n (Changing host) 21.34.34 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.35.10 # jhMikeS: since r30546 my iPod VIdeo does not connect via USB when rockbox is running (diskmode works fine). with r30545 everything works as expected 21.36.13 # argh, does anyone know how I trigger an android database scan? 21.38.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12302 21.40.30 # wodz: \o/ 21.44.24 # is it me or the website is slow as hell ? 21.44.25 # we are significantly faster (~25%) on 500kbit vorbis 21.44.45 # pamaury: it's you 21.45.50 # then why is rockbox is the only slow website :-/ 21.46.38 # is http://www.portlane.com also slow? 21.46.44 # it's close on the net 21.47.11 # yes 21.47.19 # the it's the network 21.58.00 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.234.247) 22.04.44 # wodz: nice :) 22.05.26 # Buschel: Was USB_DETECT_BY_CORE left undefined or something? It works on other PP I have. 22.08.16 # jhMikeS: at a first glance this looks ok to me 22.08.20 # wodz, nice, but I'm a bit surprised how complex this appears to be. The code seems to do a kind of ARM emulation in some parts. 22.09.13 # bertrik: that's exactly how it works 22.11.10 # bertrik: would you prefer to port libunwind? :-) 22.11.12 # also, it seems to use its own set of basic types, it could have used stdint.h I suppose 22.11.56 # bertrik: sure I can clean this up if we decide we want this in 22.12.39 # wodz: I think it will be necessary to clean it up anyway 22.13.17 # pamaury: ? 22.14.25 # it defines its own data types, even for perfectlmy standard things 22.15.42 # pamaury: sure but as I wrote it is rather easy task which I'll be happy to do AFTER we decide this is feature we want to have. Currently this is simply proof-of-concept 22.16.07 # yes of course 22.16.15 # I changed as little as possible in original source 22.16.45 # that can be a good thing too, for easy syncs with upstream 22.17.20 # I bet there will not be any syncs - this code is from 2007 or so 22.17.27 # I think it's public domain and unlikely to change 22.21.22 # Buschel: at this point, things that use the audio buffer aren't going to be informed about other buflib allocs. playback seems to be assumed to be they only one that should care, which isn't the case. I'm just putting that out there as a possible thing, but I'm not sure if that's affecting this. 22.22.10 # ? this affects USB ? 22.23.16 # storage, it possibly could, since audio_get_buffer is used 22.24.17 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 22.25.37 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.186.247) 22.26.19 # now I am introducing asm snippet which cause data abort in various places and look if backtrace is resonable 22.28.52 # * jhMikeS will do a recheck with a recent build with a known working taget (in past builds) using CORE detect (sa9200) 22.29.44 # if I unroll those changes (r30546 + r30549) against current svn it works again 22.33.31 # yes, but the order of events could change since it's not detect in an ISR now 22.36.15 # chkktri_: you there? 22.39.19 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 22.41.12 Join Lord_MM [0] (~5dd111c4@www.haxx.se) 22.41.19 Quit Lord_MM (Client Quit) 22.44.04 Quit Buschel (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) 22.48.40 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.50.15 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF02B8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.52.36 # hah...sa9200 won't boot any longer. it just hangs at the splash 22.53.09 # famous font patch problem? 22.53.27 # * jhMikeS has no idea 22.53.54 # * jhMikeS has quite a few targets he hasn't checked out in awhile 22.56.11 # that's good you hit this - it gives the hope of the issue being fixed in the near future :-) 22.56.51 # * jhMikeS is a bit swamped in his usual domain already :-\ 22.58.06 # I never see the firmware splash, just the bootloader one 23.00.47 # onto e200v1 and see what happens 23.06.23 Quit FoH (Quit: ¡ooʇ ‘ǝןdoǝd ǝɹɐ sʇɐq) 23.07.07 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049180205.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.11.09 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.18.54 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4D4D3.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.20.31 Quit robin0800 (Read error: Connection timed out) 23.20.46 Quit keyb_gr (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.22.05 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@149.254.182.247) 23.23.01 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 23.24.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.29.11 Quit KiwiCam (Quit: Leaving) 23.29.20 Join keyb_gr [0] (~chatzilla@p4FF02B8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.29.31 Join freddyb [0] (~freddybbb@216.8.239.112.etczone.com) 23.29.39 Quit keyb_gr (Client Quit) 23.30.56 # Is anyone online who can't boot? 23.32.27 # can't boot as in? 23.33.39 # As in their device will not boot properly with the current SVN build. 23.34.48 # freddyb, yes, my clipv1 won't boot and there are reports of the same problem with clipv2 23.35.25 # so far for me, clipv1 and sa9200 23.35.59 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 23.36.17 # there are also issues with mpegplayer not being able to render text now 23.36.34 # Would you try this and see if it helps? http://www.pastie.org/2619220 23.36.59 # Do you know if mpeg is having trouble with regular or sideways? 23.39.10 # rotated text on a portrait target, on e200v1 text is blank but menus work, i haven't tried checked a landscape display yet 23.39.28 Join icarusfactor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 23.40.24 # The reason I asked is that mpeg player has it's own font rendering for sideways text, IIRC 23.41.23 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.41.49 # yes 23.41.49 Quit dfkt|n () 23.44.10 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.44.53 Quit ender` (Quit: The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second, defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green and the cab behind you honking. -- Terry Pratchett) 23.45.34 # jhMikeS: yes it fixes your problem? 23.46.00 Join guymann [0] (~charles@69.0.10.222) 23.46.06 # freddyb, I'll try it on my clipv1 23.46.16 # can't test mpeg on that ... :P 23.46.28 # (or can I?) 23.46.45 # freddyb: I'm on my way to that...I had a couple thigs to look at 23.47.17 # I didn't touch mpeg. That patch I just posted moves more stuff in the main init() call. 23.47.50 # * gevaerts fears early usb 23.48.36 # nope, it still hangs at boot with dark display. I'll do a make clean and try again just to be sure 23.49.03 # bertrik: you've got it handled then? :) 23.49.30 # handled what? 23.49.36 # hmmm...all the PP targets so far that will run are entering USB mode just fine 23.49.41 # bertrik: testing the patch 23.50.56 Join guymann_ [0] (~charles@64-252-121-37.adsl.snet.net) 23.51.10 # I guess that's all the PP5020 models I've got and sa9200 was untestable 23.51.34 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 23.51.47 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.51.53 # gevaerts: why? Did something change? 23.52.22 # freddyb: not yet :) Changes to init order tend to be risky for early usb 23.52.26 # tried a clean compile, clipv1 still can't reach the main menu 23.52.50 # ah almost forgot, h10 5-6 gb too :-0 23.54.21 # last time I tried, my clip+ would boot normally with clean SVN, but not with usb support enabled 23.54.54 # is there some kind of circular init dependency now? 23.56.26 # where can a find a good reference for ARM specs? 23.56.33 # like the ISA etc 23.56.50 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-174-37.26-151.libero.it) 23.57.03 # could you boot before r30613? 23.58.01 # I don't know, should I try r30612?