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I don't belive it's related to that at all 04.22.42 # please pastebin lshal from your machine or lshw if you that doesn't work 04.22.44 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng313.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 04.23.27 # tmzt_: i am installing the newest rockbox first okay 04.25.21 # how can i run the rockbox program as root 04.25.50 # sudo rockbox 04.26.08 # tmzt_: that is not right but i got it 04.29.24 # tmzt_: yeek help 04.29.28 Quit Keripo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.29.38 # i reinstalled it it says panic stkov main 04.30.00 # I don't know what that is 04.30.05 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.129.152) 04.30.10 # how can i get rockbox to load the origonal ipod software 04.30.12 # I can't help you with ipod bootloader issues 04.30.57 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng313.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 04.32.05 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.32.05 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.32.12 Quit fiesh (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.32.27 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.32.28 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.32.30 Join pixelma_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.32.32 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.32.39 # tmzt_: ok im back to ipod software one sec 04.32.43 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.34.28 Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04.35.12 Join fiesh [0] (~fiesh@p4FCB79FD.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.36.48 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-224-241.t-mobile.co.uk) 04.38.34 Join Keripo1 [0] (~Keripo@eng313.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 04.39.59 # can anyone help me when i installed rockbox on my player all i get when it loads is stkov main 04.40.02 # panic 04.40.23 # <[Saint_AndChat]> What player? 04.40.35 # ipod nano 2gen 04.40.47 Quit Keripo (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04.40.58 Join FOAD [0] (~foad@83.161.135.61) 04.40.58 Quit FOAD (Changing host) 04.40.58 Join FOAD [0] (~foad@unaffiliated/foad) 04.40.59 # i am going to use natilus to delete all the rockbox files of the player and install from scrach 04.41.21 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Rockboox bootloader? Or iloader/EMBIOS/EMCORE? 04.42.46 # Saint_AndChat: i just used the rockbox linux installer downloaded from your website 04.42.47 # <[Saint_AndChat]> The Rockbox bootloader and nano2g port play a lot nicer than they used to...but I don't recommended using the Rockbox.bootloader personally. 04.43.05 # can you help me install then 04.43.16 # i just deleted all rockbox files from my device 04.43.27 # do i use the little program 04.43.45 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I recommended using EMBIOS/emCORE 04.44.12 # <[Saint_AndChat]> You can check it out at the freemyipod main page. 04.44.31 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Or head to #freemyipod and ask. 04.46.54 # <[Saint_AndChat]> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation 04.47.34 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Ask at #freemyipod-support if you're unsure of ANYTHING in the install procedure. 04.47.53 # can you help me with this page http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodNano2G the instructions confuse me 04.48.38 # <[Saint_AndChat]> They're pretty simple, this isn't the place, though. 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I'll grep the logs. 08.57.16 # mostly about android screen sizes 08.57.27 # "skin viewports can be made screen size independant using negative numbers in the skin file"? 08.57.45 # yeah, that brain dump 08.57.51 # ok, reading... 08.58.12 # mostly replying to the various tidbits i missed later last week 08.59.28 # the native statusbar automatically pushes our drawing area down so 0,0 is below the bar 08.59.32 # also i tihnk you mentioned something about lack of overlapping images? 09.00.02 # yeah I tried to remove the images from the backdrop and failed 09.00.07 # ok, so that would work well then, we'd just ignore the last few pixel rows 09.00.47 # overlapping images cna be done bt its a bit fiddly because the skin engine doesnt draw them in the order they appear in the file 09.01.13 # whic was something I'd been working on to change, but that broke backwards compat with current themes 09.01.17 # pixelma educated me about scaled viewports, and I do agree that's a good start. but as I understand it that can only really cause one area of the screen to stretch? 09.02.28 # apparently I don't really need overlapping images though, saint (I think) showed me how to solve my question without it 09.03.19 # depends what you want to do, but you sld be able to size/position any screen *relative to a screen edge* farily easily 09.04.24 # the dynamic lcd size patch is a good start if you want to get the native bar and this working well together :) 09.04.49 # right. but it still can't for example scale the position of the << || >> buttons so they appear properly centered on different width screens? (not complaining, just checking) 09.04.53 # * JdGordon gave up when the people who know the lcd rivers ignored his request for help to fix the bugs 09.05.33 # sure it can, you'd but those 3 buttons in a viewport which auto-aligns to the right 09.05.50 # err... or centered :) 09.06.09 # how do you fix the different spacing between the buttons? 09.06.32 # oh, hmm... yeah, actually putting percentage values in for the x,y/w/h values was something i toyed wit also 09.07.15 # you couldnt really, theyd each need to be in a seperate viewport to do it "properly" 09.07.29 # I dont think spaceing between them is such a big deal though 09.08.59 # I do. we have screen widths ranging from 200 to 560. using the 200-adjusted spacing on a 560 screen will look, well, silly 09.09.44 # and that's without including tablets :) 09.11.48 # ok, so you'd pretty much have to do one viewport per image (or else lots of code dupe to make images and touchregions align corectly), and just add some magic support for % and simple subtraction/addition in the viewport line parser 09.11.52 # "easy" :) 09.21.31 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f048162124.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.23.17 # hmm, does anyone know why the HDD-icon in the WPS flickers when skipping a song that has been buffered? this happens on a flash-based nano2g, not on a HDD-based iPod VIdeo 09.23.47 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-84-81.nyc.res.rr.com) 09.25.36 Nick antil33t| is now known as antil33t (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 09.26.52 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 09.27.29 # Buschel: got dircache on? 09.27.42 # could be looking for aa or .cue 09.28.14 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.29.30 Join soap__ [0] (~soap@64-181-97-90.unassigned.ntelos.net) 09.29.58 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.30.38 # let me check 09.31.40 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.32.05 # it's off on the nano 09.32.19 # that would explain it then 09.33.40 Quit beta2k (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 09.34.10 # it happens independent of the dir cache setting 09.35.40 Join soap [0] (~soap@94.75.232.194) 09.35.41 Quit soap (Changing host) 09.35.41 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 09.36.10 Join beta2k [0] (~Beta2K@d24-36-128-84.home1.cgocable.net) 09.36.57 # Zagor: One-size-fits-all theme using bitmaps is impossible anyway, imo. It will look like shit regardless of whether you get the spacings right 09.37.29 Quit soap__ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.37.34 # What should work are a couple of sizes (3 or maybe 4 including tablets), each for a range of resolutions 09.38.32 # There's another point to consider: portrait vs. landscape 09.39.50 # Even if you can do a single theme for all resolutions (which imo *requires* both vector fonts and vector graphics and even then probably won't work for very low resolutions), you need different themes for portrait and landscape. 09.39.56 # sure, but dealing with half a dozen and attemtping to scale is better than doing a seperate theme for every single screen size (*2 for native bar enabled or not) 09.40.51 # Maybe even different aspect ratios would need separate themes if you want a nice look 09.42.38 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.129.152) 09.43.18 # amiconn: different bitmap sizes are solved by density-specific files in android 09.44.10 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Draw* files, no? 09.44.30 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Where * == some number. 09.45.02 # <[Saint_AndChat]> This is what I've noticed working with framework files, at least. 09.49.23 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 09.52.00 # and, unsurprisingly, android defines four different densities 09.53.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.55.53 # Hmm, but densities != resolutions, at least in my book 09.57.23 Join soap__ [0] (~soap@64-181-97-90.unassigned.ntelos.net) 09.58.54 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 09.59.35 # amiconn: do you have 'serial modded' hw target? If so maybe you can track the hang with help of gdb stub 09.59.40 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 10.00.44 # amiconn: yes, but density is what defines which size bitmap you want 10.02.42 Nick crwll is now known as crwl (~crwlll@dsl-jklbrasgw1-ffb9c300-103.dhcp.inet.fi) 10.04.15 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 10.05.22 Quit soap__ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.13.09 # Zagor: Not only, imo. 10.13.28 Join pamaury [0] (81680b01@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.13.53 # wodz: Not atm, but soldering the serial mod to the Player isn't very difficult. Otoh that one won't let me track problems in the font code 10.14.08 # JdGordon: have you given any thought to my idea of switching to entirely relative positioning on android? 10.14.09 # I already had serial connected on that one 10.15.10 # I don't know how difficult it is to connect serial on the Recorder. The Ondios are not an option here 10.15.57 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Remote host closed the connection) 10.16.49 # ah right, player is not en option :/ 10.20.28 # Zagor: in all honesty i didnt give much thought to anything android related for ages 10.20.48 # I'd be worried about adding layers and doing different systems for raaa/native 10.22.09 # I actually think it would be easier to add a layer instead of having to rework all the skin code 10.22.31 # but I may be naïve 10.22.44 # maybe, I'm not sure I understood the idea when I read it (this was the virtual 1000x1000 pixel buffer and doing magic for positionaing? 10.23.34 # heh, not so much magic really. just do everything in decipercent (or even percent, not sure the deci is even useful). 10.27.40 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 10.28.23 # and yes, it makes pixel-perfect themes impossible. it would force designers to leave some room for scaling in the themes. 10.28.53 Join mudd1 [0] (~cmertes@ip-78-94-202-227.unitymediagroup.de) 10.29.32 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.30.37 # and then the layer converts from percent to actual pixels, and draws accordingly 10.39.16 Quit pamaury (Quit: Page closed) 10.39.50 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.42.57 Quit antil33t (Remote host closed the connection) 10.43.03 # can android/us do on the fly image downscaling so it doesnt look crap? 10.43.28 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 10.43.35 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 10.43.56 # and would that be any different to just using some large screen size of the correct aspect ratio and scaling as required instead of a set percentage? 10.45.22 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.54.17 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p548511ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.55.34 # wodz: you said you contacted Rockchip but they never responded. How did you contact them ? 10.56.49 # pamaury: can't remember exactly but I followed some link from the webpage in eng. 10.57.30 # pamaury: could you send me rknano binary anyway? 10.58.33 # wodz: I'm at work, I don't have it with but I'll send it to you tonight. I can't find any link on their website 10.59.25 # android can do scaling, yes. I'm not sure what is required to make it look non-crap, or even if we should use it at all. 11.00.59 # pamaury: it's on the frontpage: service@rock-chips.com 11.02.29 # huh I must be blind but I don't see it :) 11.02.43 # thanks for the address 11.03.46 # oh I found it, I' blind indeed 11.06.37 # JdGordon: what would the difference be in scaling from "real" pixels instead of percent? 11.07.32 # the one difference I can think of is that using 1:1 aspect ration would allow landscape/portrait rotation 11.10.53 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 11.18.11 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.22.10 Join God_Eater [0] (93722cd1@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 11.22.48 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.129.152) 11.23.02 # Zagor: dunno, but yeah, i tihnk we'd need to keep the aspect ratio to have any possibiity of it not looking terrible 11.23.28 # or simply to make it easier for themers to work 11.23.44 # I'm not sure designs have to be aspect-fixed 11.25.16 # I don't see why it should be so hard to work in percent instead of pixels 11.28.39 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Yeah....reworking the whole skin element placement system is totally trivial ;) 11.28.45 Join antil33t| [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 11.29.22 # [Saint_AndChat]: that's exactly why I propose we don't do that, and add a translation layer instead 11.29.29 # <[Saint_AndChat]> And, as a themed...having to work out percentiles for placement would suck some serious ass. 11.29.43 # <[Saint_AndChat]> *themed 11.29.55 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Bah! *themer 11.30.31 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Unless that's covered in said transition layer also. 11.30.44 # yeah, dynamic screen size sucks big time. we still need to deal with it. 11.31.36 # given a choice between designing 20+ themes, or doing one in percent. what is your pick? :) 11.31.54 # <[Saint_AndChat]> The only sane way to do so is a full native hi, and keep the option of theming the "old" way to make things interesting. 11.32.04 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.32.18 # <[Saint_AndChat]> s/hi/ui/ 11.32.29 # the only sensible way is to do loooots more work? 11.32.38 # Zagor: then the question should be, why not have the source theme at some crazy high res and a script to scale it as required for the specific screen res, and then you have the option of fine tuning it 11.32.56 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Well...we want a native ui eventually, no? 11.32.57 # yes, we all want a rockbox lib with a native ui on top. I'd say that's at least a year off. I'm trying to get us something in between. 11.32.59 # screen sizes are not really dynamic once they are installed 11.34.06 # and slight change of subject, but someone could easily use the native list widgets in svn now if someone wanted to do the work 11.34.15 # JdGordon: again, I don't see the difference in working in "crazy high resolution" vs working in percent. 11.34.27 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Resizing has the issue of almost certainly needing manual poking to not look crap, though. 11.35.07 # in both cases you're working on an abstraction of the final result 11.35.38 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I just don't see an easy way to tackle this. 11.35.41 # true, but would you rather waste your pc's cpu time to resize it or waste your phones? 11.35.45 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5DD57FD6.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.35.45 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 11.35.45 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 11.35.48 Quit Horschti (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11.37.18 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 11.37.18 Quit zchs (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.37.20 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.37.40 # JdGordon: as long as we're not scaling images "live" I don't thing a few integer conversions is going to be very taxing. but sure, that is a valid point. 11.39.19 # we would be though... 11.39.26 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.39.43 # * [Saint_AndChat] wishes more people knew our skin code and were handy with an editor... 11.40.25 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Its a huge job for me to do all these ports, for the people that own these weird res devices...not so much to do just one. 11.40.34 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224236172.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.40.59 # JdGordon: not necessarily. in my mind a combination of percent positioning and density-specific assets (fonts + bitmaps) would work good enough 11.41.02 # <[Saint_AndChat]> All the code is there, resize some images...clean them up, redo some placement. Bam. 11.41.43 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Its just a daunting task for just me, and I've currently got no machine to work on. 11.42.00 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Ill get one running in the morrow. 11.44.10 # [Saint_AndChat]: I hear you. guess why I'm whipping this horse? :) 11.44.20 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 11.44.25 # Zagor: I don't get it :) ok, so if themes are written for "1000x1000" what size images should the themers be drawing? the correct size for 1000x1000 pixels? or the scaled resolution? 11.44.50 # if its the first then everything needs to be rescaled on drawing 11.44.51 # the scaled resolution*s* 11.45.19 # I don't see how that makes any less work then, or how it oculd work 11.45.38 # sorry, the four densities 11.47.01 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.47.09 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.129.152) 11.47.19 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I'm happy to do all these ports myself if it comes to it, but I've little time and ill health to contend with. I know I shouldn't do, but I feel guilty about this... 11.47.27 # "To create alternative bitmap drawables for different densities, you should follow the 3:4:6:8 scaling ratio between the four generalized densities." -- http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html 11.47.36 # <[Saint_AndChat]> If anyone wants to help...of course ;) 11.48.08 Join zchs [0] (~zchs@ool-ad02eb3f.dyn.optonline.net) 11.48.13 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11.49.17 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I honestly have no idea why I feel guilty, but...I'd like to supply themes for all these devices. Its a.lot of man hours, though. If time wasn't an issue, it'd be fine. 11.49.25 # Zagor: sorry, I don't get it, I dont see how this is going to be useable at all 11.49.25 # <[Saint_AndChat]> But it is, so its not... 11.50.39 # unless we are talking 'dp' which we can at least pretend to be real pixels for themers to work with 11.51.34 # JdGordon: a simple example: << || >> buttons are called prev.bmp playpause.bmp and next.bmp. they are positioned at 25% 50% and 75% horizontally. 11.52.00 # which prev.bmp you get is decided based on your device's density 11.53.07 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.53.12 Join [Saint_AndChat] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.129.152) 11.53.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.56.44 # Zagor: OK, but where does the magic to get the right file come from? what happens when the required image size isnt found? 11.57.13 # this sounds possibly doable for the default theme, but what about the rest? 11.57.36 # I'd be interested to see if this could work, but im sceptical 11.58.04 # anyway, I tihnk the first step should be combining the raaa builds to a single build 11.58.07 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 11.58.37 # fs#11615 11.58.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 3Dynamic screen size (patches, new) 11.58.38 # that magic is done in the apk file. we already have it, look in android/res/drawable-*dpi 11.59.05 # that doesnt work for custom themes 11.59.13 # which is the whole point of the skin engine : 11.59.16 # :) 11.59.40 # sure it does, we just need to deliver them properly 11.59.52 # either four different zip files, or let rbutil help 12.00.06 # I guess the first step to making a port would be knowing what hardware is in the player? 12.00.19 # <[Saint_AndChat]> I always thought custom themes need to be done on a per device basis...I'd love to be wrong. 12.00.27 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Jak_o_Shadows: yes. 12.01.13 # Awesome, how reliable would the information from a stock firmware flasher be? (I'm thinking about the phillips go gear SA3RGA0x) 12.01.55 # <[Saint_AndChat]> We already have some go-gear ports...perhaps this has been looked at already. 12.02.55 # alternately we could just let rockbox load bitmaps from different subdirs based on density 12.03.41 # <[Saint_AndChat]> There's two big issues with a port: a - understanding the hardware, and b - understanding how to run arbitrary code on the device Jak_o_Shadows 12.03.57 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Neither of those are non-trivial in most cases. 12.04.37 Quit einhirn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.04.44 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Disassembling a firmware update can help. 12.05.02 # I've had a good look at the forums and wiki and can't find anything for this particular model. 12.05.07 # <[Saint_AndChat]> And looking at the updater itself to see how code is loaded to the device. 12.05.40 # * Buschel starts bisecting 12.05.47 # <[Saint_AndChat]> And knowing if that code is verified, and if so, how. 12.05.59 # Yeah, it's fairly easy to find what I think the firmware files are, but i haven't been able to figure out what to do with it. 12.06.25 # But the firmware updater and firmware are easily accessible, I was going to try decompiling but I had very little idea where to start. 12.07.23 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Check out "NewPorts" on our wiki. 12.09.41 # When i get mine back I was going to see if it has the same hardware as any of the other philips devices and maybe make a wiki page. 12.10.32 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Its likely *some* hardware is shared. 12.10.44 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Or, very similar. 12.11.11 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Disassembling and scanning the player is a must. 12.11.31 # <[Saint_AndChat]> Then Googling your ass off for docs :) 12.16.49 # I'll definitely give it a go later. 12.17.14 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@dhcp0751.kin.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU) 12.22.20 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@87.115.190.157) 12.35.15 Quit [Saint_AndChat] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.35.59 # I installed rockbox on an ipod classic a while ago following these instructions: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot Occasionally, it crashes (screen freezes, plays same milliseconds of music over and over). I am wondering if there is any sort of log that might give some indication of why it crashed / allow me to write a meaningful bug report 12.36.28 # sadly not 12.36.44 # we've been trying to track that issue down for quite some time now 12.37.12 # oh. ok 12.37.36 # it's as if something would freeze the CPU without any kind of noticable crash 12.37.50 # it just stops operating for no apparent reason :/ 12.39.05 Nick [Sanyi] is now known as sanyi (thg@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-gvbwfuwtllbcynvt) 12.39.13 Nick sanyi is now known as [Sanyi] (thg@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-gvbwfuwtllbcynvt) 12.39.47 # Is it limited to ipod classics? 12.45.11 Join Jak_o_Shadows1 [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 12.47.29 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12.51.27 # JdGordon: can you take a look at FS#12309? there is something strange going on 12.51.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12309 3mass storage activity when skipping buffered tracks? (bugs, new) 12.53.00 # are there any fonts loaded during runtime when updating the WPS? 12.53.39 Quit thomasjfox (Remote host closed the connection) 12.56.29 # Buschel: if the track id3 info needs uncached glyphs then sure there might be disk access there 12.57.06 # ouch, not good 12.57.29 # was this handled different before the buflib changes? 12.57.40 # would it really be better to have all glyphs loaded all the time? 12.58.14 # for HDD-based targets this is bad. the disk will spin-up and down 12.58.33 # Zagor: debatable. it probably depends how big the font is. 12.59.05 # Buschel: no, that hasnt changed at all 12.59.09 # i haven't looked closely at how we're doing fonts with buflib but it seems like a good opportunity to not use the cache more often :) 12.59.33 # JdGordon: has the default buffer size changed? 13.00.01 # yes 13.00.17 # ok, where would I need to change that for a test? 13.00.38 # just switch to a smaller font :) 13.01.16 # I don't want to :) 13.01.38 # err, no it hasnt... freddyb hasnt commited his patch to load a number of glyphs instead of a buffer size 13.01.55 # Buschel: i mean, to test it 13.02.13 # you don't need to change the buffer size to test it, you just need to use a font that fits in teh buffer 13.02.33 # First I will check if my HDD-based target will spin-up the disk in this case -- need to change my WPS now 13.05.02 # omg, it odes 13.05.13 # does 13.06.07 # of course it does 13.08.17 Join Thra11_ [0] (~thrall@46.208.81.4) 13.08.21 # older revisions did not do this 13.09.19 # Thats very doubtful, my font changes didnt do anything to the amount of ram fonts use... 13.10.27 # it's possible you were slightly under the limit before and are now slightly over because of some small change? 13.10.35 # maybe... 13.11.12 Quit Thra11 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.11.17 # is this a skin font or the settings one? 13.15.36 # skin font 13.17.26 Quit liar (Read error: Connection timed out) 13.18.09 # r30500 did not reload fonts 13.18.37 # checking r30600 now 13.21.34 # r30600 does 13.28.34 # r30580 was clean as well 13.33.18 # r30590 shows this re-load effect. so, it is an effect of the font buflib changes 13.33.55 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.39.47 # hmm we have ARM serial stub - is there any guide how to use it? Despite some watchdog register references it looks quite generic 13.41.08 Join chkktri_ [0] (chikakitaa@ip-78-139-196-175.danet.in) 13.42.27 Quit chkktri (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.43.03 # Zagor: everyone speak about rockboxlib and native UI, BUT this year Gsoc about separating playback engine went almost unnoticed. The patches ARE not commited and I guess are heavily unsynced now 13.43.43 # perhaps because there was very little to notice? 13.44.11 # what you mean? 13.44.58 # * Buschel wishes we would have set up a branch to bring up all of those buflib changes 13.45.17 # at myself and several others were definitely interested in the outcome, but saratoga has been very busy forgot to inform the list about the result 13.45.34 # at least 13.45.48 Join Jak_o_Shadows [0] (~hayden@CPE-144-136-211-121.sa.bigpond.net.au) 13.46.15 # so it's not exactly like it has been shouted from the rooftops and actively ignored. 13.46.20 # But the student didn't forgot to post patches to FS. 13.46.58 # I don't see what your point is? the gsoc work was good, but is very far from being a rockbox lib. 13.47.23 # as far as I'm aware *I* am the only other person who has even started working on lib separation 13.47.52 # FS#12242 13.47.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12242 3rbcodec refactoring part 2 (patches, unconfirmed) 13.48.00 # no single comment or anything 13.48.13 # it's a massive task, and I estimate we can get something out for android faster by doing a measured adaptation of our current code 13.49.07 Quit Jak_o_Shadows1 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.49.27 # I am not complaining about your 'scale' idea I only want to point out that we didn't support development in the direction some do think is the way to go 13.53.21 # of course we did. we made it one of our two gsoc projects this year! 13.53.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.54.25 #>> "seen" used by Zagor (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) [snoop prevented] 13.54.52 # it's not like he's been around discussing his work a lot 13.55.31 # that's not like we promoted discussion 13.56.33 # Anyway this discussion leads to nowhere 13.57.51 # I agree. I don't even understand what you are complaining about. things happen when individuals decide they want to do something. there is no "we" in that. there's just you and I and everyone else. 13.58.44 # a few days ago, I decided that I want to put some effort into the android app. 13.59.40 # I concluded that making a native app would take a long time, discard much of kugels work and probably not support theming very well. so I decided to focus on trying to get the current app "Market worthy" as I called it. 13.59.59 # I still want a native app too 14.03.09 # I didn't want to sound aggressive or something. It is your idea, your time and your afford. I just think that we (as a project) didn' 14.03.20 # t exploited this work properly 14.03.32 # wtachi's work I mean 14.06.59 # Buschel: hmm, skin fonts did maybe load fewer glyphs after the change 14.07.11 # depends on the font, and only if you dont specify the number 14.07.51 # what do I need to do to get the former behaviour? 14.08.34 # enlarging SKIN_FONT_SIZE did not help... 14.09.02 # mm, actually i dont tinhk thats true, going from memory skin fonts would load 10k max or so (or 250?) glyphs, whichever is smaller) 14.09.43 # yep, 10KB or 256 glyphs 14.09.58 # svn now loads 60KB 14.10.06 # I have updated FS#12309 and also attached my WPS. maybe you can check this out? 14.10.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12309 3font buflib: mass storage activity when skipping buffered tracks? (bugs, new) 14.12.41 # was the clip+ crash on boot bug fixed yet? 14.13.43 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 14.14.21 Quit Jak_o_Shadows (Remote host closed the connection) 14.20.00 # the font reload also happens when using 64 KB SKIN_FONT_SIZE and 2048 for GLYPHS_TO_CACHE 14.26.46 # it even happens when setting SKIN_FONT_SIZE to 512 KB (much larger than each font is) and GLYPHS_TO_CACHE to 4096 14.26.50 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust848.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 14.29.55 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 14.30.38 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-33-24.26-151.libero.it) 14.34.01 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 14.53.50 Quit chkktri_ (Quit: Leaving) 14.53.56 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@ip-78-139-196-175.danet.in) 14.54.21 Quit chkktri (Changing host) 14.54.21 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@unaffiliated/chkktri) 15.03.52 Quit antil33t| (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.04.18 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 15.11.12 Quit mudd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.14.07 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 15.17.20 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.41.49 Join fatline [0] (~fatline@pool-108-27-113-221.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 15.49.45 Quit chkktri (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.50.13 # JdGordon: can you explain the name[0] == '-' construct of skin_backdrops.c to me? 15.50.51 Part LinusN 15.51.02 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@unaffiliated/chkktri) 15.51.06 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 15.51.08 # ooh that's nice 15.51.45 # looks like that missing usb_init was the reason why D2 didn't saw SD csrd 15.51.50 Quit Thra11_ (Remote host closed the connection) 15.52.23 # Zagor: - is used by all the filename settings to specify "use default/failsafe" 15.52.38 # JdGordon: aha. thanks. 15.53.16 # look at the dynamic screen size patch... get android in one build first 15.53.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.53.45 # or at least have a look at the chnages to make the file loading dynamic based on the screen size from it 15.53.45 # yeah, I'm just browsing around a bit 15.54.00 # also updating ubuntu VM fixed that freeze then i was compiling using more than 1 core 15.54.36 # it needs to be completly transparent or it will break in lots of annoying places 15.54.41 # * JdGordon going to bed 15.56.10 # bytheway D2 port development completely stopped? 15.59.53 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@46.208.81.4) 16.02.49 # oh and where to get latest android build? 16.02.59 # i remember somebody was developing it 16.03.19 # but i'm too lazy to download whole sdk and complile :P 16.09.55 Part LinusN 16.11.58 Quit fatline (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 16.12.57 # we're currently too lazy to host android builds for the unwashed masses, as it's still not read for prime time in our opinion. 16.13.09 # when it is, we'll host builds properly and / or put it in the market. 16.13.33 Join powell14ski [0] (~powell14s@c-174-51-194-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 16.13.44 # but can i just look at how it's now? 16.13.56 # be sure i won't spread it over internet 16.14.55 # oh one note: i just compiled spc codec with enabled echo for Cowon D2 and it works on full speed 16.15.18 # why not to allow it to use echo by default on this target? 16.15.54 # the only way to look at how it is now is to build it yourself, because we don't host the builds. 16.15.58 # there's nowhere to get it from 16.16.27 # it sounds like you develop it without even testing on real target 16.16.44 # not so - I have it here right now on my phone 16.17.11 # and you just don't want to share it yet? 16.17.21 # pretty sure that's what I just said ;) 16.17.38 # ah, sorry misunderstood 16.17.47 # oaky i will wait v_v 16.17.55 # no wait 16.18.01 # i still can build it 16.18.07 # what do i need? 16.18.13 # chkktri: it's not really a question of sharing, the code is there everyone can compile it. We just don't want to official distribute builds because it's not ready 16.18.37 # well i don 16.18.52 # 't want you to add to official distributive 16.19.07 # just want to get current build 16.19.53 # you need android sdk and ndk 16.19.56 # that's about it 16.20.10 # рь 16.20.12 # hm 16.20.16 # what's NDK? 16.20.54 # native development kit 16.21.03 # for running apps that aren't all java 16.21.04 # ah 16.21.20 # and i will need both of them? 16.21.30 # yes 16.21.41 # since last time I checked, Rockbox isn't written in java ;) 16.21.57 # that's good ☺ 16.22.03 # you need the SDK to build *anything* for android. you need the NDK also for stuff that's not all java. 16.22.19 # hm 16.22.39 # can anybody also provide information on building rockbox for maemo? 16.22.49 # i checked one it wiki 16.22.57 # but it seems to be outdated 16.23.27 # on* 16.23.28 # is anyone actually maintaining that port/ 16.23.38 # dunno 16.23.46 # i wasn't asking you :) 16.23.55 # though i saw 3.9.1 relase on maemo.org 16.24.00 # sorry v_v 16.24.44 # http://maemo.org/packages/view/rockbox/ 16.24.52 # Thomas Jarosch listen in developers 16.24.56 # d* 16.42.19 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 16.46.41 Part Zagor 16.47.45 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.49.40 Join n1s [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.50.49 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498AA43.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.29 # hm 16.51.38 # okay, downloaded ndk 16.51.42 # installed sdk 16.51.45 # what now? 16.54.48 # Torne, may i ask you for guide? 16.54.53 Join fatline [0] (~fatline@dyn-209-2-239-225.dyn.columbia.edu) 16.55.04 # i have no idea 16.55.12 # but there are instructions in the source, no? 16.55.46 # in rockbox source? 16.57.39 # yes 16.58.02 # awww 16.58.04 # dummy me 16.58.13 # installed SDK on windows 16.58.17 # >_< 16.59.41 # i can't think of a reason why it shouldn't be possible to build on windows 16.59.51 # whetehr or not anyone knows the right steps is another matter :) 17.00.41 # well u just put sources inside ubuntu VM 17.00.45 # i* 17.02.02 Quit God_Eater (Quit: Page closed) 17.09.36 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 17.14.14 Quit matze` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.15.05 Quit fatline (Quit: Leaving) 17.16.06 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498AA43.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.17.32 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 17.31.50 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.31.53 Quit robin0800 (Quit: Leaving) 17.31.55 Join antil33t| [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 17.32.43 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17.34.36 Nick antil33t| is now known as antil33t (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 17.44.18 Quit WalkGood () 17.44.59 Quit sinthetek (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 17.47.08 Quit pamaury (Quit: Leaving.) 17.53.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.55.21 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 18.00.15 Quit thomasjfox (Remote host closed the connection) 18.03.17 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@seas740.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu) 18.05.38 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 18.13.57 Join sinthetek [0] (~sinthetek@cpe-174-111-016-189.triad.res.rr.com) 18.13.57 Quit sinthetek (Changing host) 18.13.57 Join sinthetek [0] (~sinthetek@unaffiliated/sinthetek) 18.27.43 Join Jerom [0] (~jerome@2a02:8420:219:d300:f66d:4ff:fe45:790f) 18.31.23 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) 18.32.05 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 18.35.05 Quit ChickeNES (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.35.29 Join ChickeNES [0] (~ChickeNES@rouxbicon.rh.uchicago.edu) 18.38.56 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.48.18 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4BEC0.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.55.23 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@207-144-19-39.cstel.net) 18.57.10 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 18.58.08 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.01.48 Join RansomTime [0] (~RT@wikia/vstf/Randomtime) 19.03.10 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 19.03.10 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 19.03.10 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.04.04 # if anyone has ogg vorbis files with large comment packets, usually due to embedded aa, could you test the patch in FS#11856 and see if that helps if the files won't play currently 19.04.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11856 3Set of ogg vorbis files will not play (bugs, unconfirmed) 19.04.10 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 19.07.26 Join fatline [0] (~fatline@dyn-209-2-239-225.dyn.columbia.edu) 19.24.31 Quit ChickeNES (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.27.49 Join ScaV [0] (~kvirc@212.232.36.93) 19.29.09 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.53.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.53.53 Quit antil33t (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.54.15 Join antil33t [0] (~antil33t@203-100-223-143.callplus.net.nz) 19.54.56 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 19.55.05 Quit Bagder (Changing host) 19.55.05 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 19.57.00 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.57.00 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 19.57.00 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.58.41 Quit matze` (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.00.16 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498AA43.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.44 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@165.123.49.251) 20.07.01 Join Buschel [0] (~chatzilla@p54A3B9AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.14.13 # * Strife1989 can't seem to find any Fuze docs in the Wiki 20.14.18 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@207-144-19-39.cstel.net) 20.15.58 Quit Jerom (Quit: Leaving.) 20.16.05 Join TomColler [0] (~thomas@net-93-144-170-85.cust.dsl.teletu.it) 20.16.14 Part TomColler 20.16.19 # Strife89, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuze ? 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SansaAMS is the ticket 20.16.38 # That too. 20.21.37 # Strife89: iirc, you had some album art infested ogg vorbis files that wouldn't play in rockbox, could you test them with a patch? 20.21.48 # Not everything is documented in the wiki, some stuff can only be found in the source code 20.22.07 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4BEC0.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.22.14 # n1s: IIRC I said they'd play, they just took ages to load. 20.22.58 # I'll test the patch if it's still relevant. 20.23.06 # Strife89: ah, testing would still be usefull 20.23.18 # Link it then. :) 20.23.22 # it's in FS#11856 20.23.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11856 3Set of ogg vorbis files will not play (bugs, unconfirmed) 20.24.10 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 20.27.15 Join jbesclapez [0] (29529613@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.82.150.19) 20.27.53 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 20.29.31 # Strife89, some of the AMSv1/AMSv2 use a kind of bank switching for the NAND, perhaps there's a bug in there 20.30.09 # bertrik: The problem occurs in both Rockbox and the OF, so ... 20.37.39 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.40.39 Quit chkktri (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 20.41.23 Quit semitones_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.42.46 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.197.205.204) 20.43.03 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.43.43 Quit ScaV () 20.45.26 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@unaffiliated/chkktri) 20.46.29 Quit chkktri (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.46.43 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@ip-78-139-196-175.danet.in) 20.46.43 Quit chkktri (Changing host) 20.46.43 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@unaffiliated/chkktri) 20.55.19 # argh, why do I get java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError exception when calling my native function? 20.55.59 Join semitones_ [0] (~quassel@c-69-137-234-83.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 20.57.58 # it is present in my librockbox.so. what else is needed? 20.58.37 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 20.58.47 # ldconfig? :P 20.58.51 # afair (from non rockbox related experiments) that should be enough 20.59.01 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 20.59.01 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 20.59.01 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.00.11 # bertrik: heh, all the "old" native functions are still found so I assume it actually finds the library 21.00.34 # oh, wait a minute. wasn't there an issue with the library not always being updated on adb -r install? 21.00.36 # did you rerun the full make apk ? (or make install) 21.01.57 # yes I do "make apk && adb -r install" 21.02.23 # make install is a shortcut for that 21.02.31 # ok 21.02.42 # but it won't fix your problem :) 21.03.23 # I remember some issues with makefile dependencies which required a clean build when changing some resources or java code in rockbox. Not sure if it's worth a try. 21.03.53 Quit chkktri (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.06.28 Join chkktri [0] (chikakitaa@unaffiliated/chkktri) 21.08.16 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 21.10.01 # n1s: For the sake of comparison: it takes about 6 seconds to start (or change tracks to) any of the Vorbis files in question on my iPod with r30560. 21.10.25 Quit Buschel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.11.29 Quit Shroker (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.12.43 # n1s: Patch build showcases no evident speed improvements. 21.13.05 # pamaury, finished the benchmark yet? :) 21.13.12 # (r30701, cleared settings) 21.14.41 # * bertrik is often surprised by the weird stuff people report, like FS#12308 21.14.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12308 3Sansa Fuze V2 Screen Goes Black in while using Rockbox?! (bugs, unconfirmed) 21.21.16 # Strife89: it should copy a bit less data but that's maybe not why it takes so long, but rather storage slowness 21.21.29 # it doesn't make it worse though? 21.21.36 # found the java issue: you're not allowed to have underscores in native function names 21.21.49 # what!? 21.22.13 # camelCaseOrGetOut! 21.22.24 # n1s: No, it wasn't worse. 21.22.32 # it uses underscore as separator, like Java_org_rockbox_RockboxPCM_nativeWrite() 21.22.48 # calling the function native_write confuses it 21.23.00 # Strife89: thanks for testing then :) 21.23.01 # n1s: I doubt it's disk slowness, I can load "normal" Vorbis files a little quicker IIRC. 21.23.24 # maybe you are allowed, but have to specify it some special way. I don't know. 21.24.10 # anyway, stopping the tick timer removes the rockbox idle cpu drain, as expected. now I just have to find the right place to enable it again :) 21.24.22 # Strife89: yeah, but these files need to load and go through all the comment data before any audio can be played, a normal file can start playing much sooner 21.24.40 # Ah .. 21.45.14 Quit matze` (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21.53.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.55.11 Join matze` [0] (~pflaume@p5498AA43.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.59.07 # bertrik: no idea, I finally started it this morning, I don't think it's finished 22.05.34 Quit matze` (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.06.05 Join robin0800 [0] (~robin0800@genld-224-237.t-mobile.co.uk) 22.23.04 # bertrik: ~12h and still ~4h leeft 22.27.05 # Strife89: of the 2 documented ways to store cover art in ogg vorbis files your files seem to use none 22.27.56 Part jbesclapez 22.30.02 Quit n1s (Remote host closed the connection) 22.31.11 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 22.31.50 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@g228236199.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.34.17 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22.35.58 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.36.48 # New commit by 03amiconn (r30702): Fix 'make reconf' for iriver H10 5/6GB. Model name contains an underscore. 22.38.36 # r30702 build result: 1 errors, 5 warnings (amiconn committed) 22.39.31 # heh :) 22.40.22 # Error == misinterpretation by the script 22.41.00 # hum, that's odd 22.41.15 # Maybe it's odd, but it's certainly not rare 22.41.47 Quit Thra11 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.43.18 # It happens quite often that the script marks an "In file included from..." line as an error, even though it shouldn't, judging from the script's code 22.43.42 # it's this regex: $line =~ /^([^:]+):(\d+):(.+)/ 22.44.04 # looks a bit too generic 22.44.20 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 22.45.34 # Such lines were the reason why I asked for the cgi script getting added to svn www/ a while ago 22.46.01 # Are the build logs archived somewhere (i.e. even older ones than the last 20)? 22.46.39 # no 22.48.39 # New commit by 03zagor (r30703): Ignore 'In file included from...' lines 22.50.05 # New commit by 03zagor (r30704): Ignore 'In file included from...' lines 22.50.43 Join Xerion_ [0] (~xerion@5419A766.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 22.50.59 Quit kadoban (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.51.02 Quit Xerion (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.51.04 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (~xerion@5419A766.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 22.51.20 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 22.51.50 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.51.55 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 22.51.55 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 22.51.55 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.53.13 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 22.54.38 Quit Galois (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.57.09 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@161.66.113.87.dyn.plus.net) 22.58.00 # New commit by 03zagor (r30705): Only include successful builds in client speed calculation. 22.58.52 Part Zagor 23.08.04 Quit Keripo (*.net *.split) 23.08.04 Quit TheSeven (*.net *.split) 23.09.33 Join TheSeven [0] (~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 23.24.14 Quit markun (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23.26.06 Join milk [0] (~milk@94-193-93-226.zone7.bethere.co.uk) 23.30.38 # is it possible to add the fuze+ to the build system ? 23.33.04 Nick Guest67123 is now known as ack` (~ack@mingbai.org) 23.36.31 Join markun [0] (~markun@s3eea32f5.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 23.53.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.41 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@165.123.49.251) 23.56.40 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.58.10 Join guymann [0] (~charles@66-159-145-118.adsl.snet.net)