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Hoare) 00.59.14 Quit KiwiCam (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.04.10 Quit amiconn (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.04.10 Quit pixelma (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.08.30 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng256.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 01.10.15 Join KiwiCam [0] (~KiwiCAM@101.98.171.48) 01.10.23 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.10.25 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.10.31 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 01.13.37 Nick ranmachan is now known as ranma (ranma@2a01:4f8:130:9321::2) 01.16.28 Nick ranma is now known as ranma|tokyo (ranma@2a01:4f8:130:9321::2) 01.17.04 Quit enthdegree (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.17.40 Join Topy44 [0] (Topy44@f049046026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.18.17 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.27.07 # kugel_: i wish i was hiding the nanos :( the person told me his player was still available i hope to get it soon 01.45.53 Quit MethoS- (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.49.14 # I note that with the latest current build you can't play the Clip whilst it's plugged into the PC charge it. (Linux) I've tried unmounting it, but that doesn't work. Is there a setting somewhere to chagne this? Also, System/Rockbox Info no larger shows the Battery % when charging. 01.52.43 # RTFN 01.52.45 # RTFM 01.53.00 # you've *always* had to hold a button to have to charge instead of connect to usb 01.54.45 Quit nomada (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 01.55.01 Quit SynrG (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.55.09 Join SynrG [0] (~synrg@debian/developer/synrg) 01.55.53 Join nomada [0] (~nomada@irc.consciente.de) 01.58.26 # Always? I've never had to do it before. I'll go read the manual. 01.59.22 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.02.53 # JdGordon: before USB was enabled it would default to charge only (rebooting to OF was buggy on AMSv2) 02.03.18 # Also, why is the Sleep timer so deep in the menus now? Settings/General/Startup-Shutdown/Sleep Timer. It was nice when it was under System, ok when it was under Settings/Time and Date, but now... 02.04.47 Join remlap [0] (~Patrick@190.28.169.217.in-addr.arpa) 02.05.15 # OK. 3.3 USB charging. Hold any button down while plugging it in. 02.06.09 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 02.06.15 # funman: ah ok 02.06.32 Quit k4tfish (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.07.36 Join k4tfish [0] (~caff7@reniced.net) 02.08.15 # So, I gather I can at least configure a shortcut for the Sleep TImer. 02.21.59 Join wheeman [0] (4c0fc192@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.15.193.146) 02.22.04 # Hey guys 02.22.52 # I have a Clip+ that I've just used RockBox Utility to install the latest (3.10) firmware onto. Everything works great, but it strangely only mounts as USB when I hold down the center button and plug into the computer (after being turned off) 02.22.59 # Is that normal? 02.23.05 # Or should it mount when I plug it in at any time? 02.26.04 Join remlap1 [0] (~Patrick@190.28.169.217.in-addr.arpa) 02.28.22 Quit remlap (Read error: Operation timed out) 02.31.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.35.17 # i will meet a girl selling her nano for 50$ tomorrow 02.35.40 # it's a 1st or 2nd gen, with dock and jack extensions at the bottom so according to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353?viewlocale=fr_FR&locale=fr_FR#ipodnano2 it's a 2g 02.35.50 # <[Saint]> KiwiCam: Errr....not entirely. 02.35.52 # http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-acheter-et-vendre-telephones-PDAs-ipods-Ipod-Nano-2gs-For-sale-W0QQAdIdZ349290381 it's gray but i think 1st gens are gray too 02.35.57 # <[Saint]> You're halfway there. 02.36.15 # <[Saint]> But you're doing yourself some harm if you keep needlessly re-running configure. 02.36.31 # hmm it's the same for the 1st gen .. 02.36.47 # [Saint]: does the picture look like a 2nd gen to you? the girl was convinced it was a 1st gen 02.36.50 # <[Saint]> 1st gens are black or white. 02.36.56 # <[Saint]> And have a silver backing. 02.37.03 # ok so gray front is definitely a 2g 02.37.51 # one guy told me 'ok you can get it' and a bit later 'sorry i gave it to family member' just today, so bad things can still happen 02.38.12 # the nano curse isn't over yet 02.38.14 # <[Saint]> The 1st gen basically looks like an elongated iPod Video/4G/Photo 02.38.27 # <[Saint]> 2nd gen have an aluminium unibody. 02.38.38 # Hey guys should I be able to mount a Rockbox device even when it is running? 02.38.43 # (when not in a recovery mode) 02.39.08 # <[Saint]> wheeman: Not an AMSv2 using 3.10, no. 02.39.36 # [Saint]: Cool -- so everything is working normally then 02.39.46 # <[Saint]> You need to update to a current build to get USB in Rockbox for AMSv2 02.39.56 # Current is not 3.10? 02.40.17 # <[Saint]> No, 3.10 is Release (which can be up to 4 months old) 02.41.33 # <[Saint]> The changes that enable USB in Rockbox for these devices were added *after* the 3.10 release. 02.42.02 Join Scr0mple [0] (~Simon@119.225.209.134) 02.42.50 # [Saint]: So the upcoming 3.11 release should support it? 02.43.51 # <[Saint]> If its deemed stable, yes. Else just use one of the current builds already available. 02.44.20 # <[Saint]> There's still a high chance it will be reverted for the release. 02.44.51 # <[Saint]> (people expect things in releases to "just work", and USB on these devices is really flakey) 02.45.13 Quit Scromple (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.45.46 # Great devices though :) 02.45.58 # Once I get a high-capacity MicroSD card it seems this thing will be amazing 02.46.30 # <[Saint]> RBUtil lets you chose whether you want to install a Release, or current build...to get USB working (hopefully) on your device *right now*, you'd simply need re-run RBUtil and choose the current build this time. 02.46.55 # <[Saint]> Alternatively, you could wait a week or so for 3.11 02.47.23 # <[Saint]> (but as I said, that might actually end up reverting the USB change in favour of stability) 02.50.38 # I'll wait :) 02.50.48 # It's no big deal to boot it like this to add stuff 02.51.00 # Now, how do I install other apps? I wanted to put the last.fm scrobbler on there 02.51.05 # It's in the .rockbox folder yes? 02.51.54 # * [Saint] thinks its worth noting that he dug up another Nano2G, so can test at some stage today (wrt: 3.11 Release). 02.52.29 # <[Saint]> funman: ^ 03.20.34 Quit wheeman (Quit: Page closed) 03.28.17 Quit kadoban_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.37.00 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 03.38.29 Quit azhag (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.59.48 # [Saint]: i'll have the nano2g tomorrow hopefully at 5 PM (CET) and should find some time to work on it thursday or friday 03.59.51 # gevaerts: ^ 04.00.24 # is 50$ OK for the fund or should i negotiate a better price? 04.00.54 # negotiate a better price and pocket the difference! :) 04.02.50 # JdGordon: the real price is $10 already.. woops 04.04.07 # * [Saint] sees nothing. 04.04.16 # <[Saint]> Carry on...yes $100 is fine :P 04.11.39 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 04.13.06 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 04.24.31 Quit kadoban (Remote host closed the connection) 04.31.12 Quit [Saint_] (Quit: Quit) 04.31.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.32.34 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 04.36.22 # [Saint]: Sorry Saint. Not entirely what? 04.36.52 # <[Saint]> You mentioned re-running configure, you shouldn't do this. 04.37.52 # <[Saint]> Configure once, per target. Running it again is unnecessary, if you want to build for a different target, make a target specific build dir. 04.42.05 # As per betrick's suggestion I've created two build directories: build-clipplus and build-clipsim The first run as an N and the second as S for SIM. I've only run the configure once for each. Have I done that right? 04.42.43 # <[Saint]> yes. 04.44.04 Join leavittx [0] (~leavittx@89.221.199.187) 04.44.43 # I gather when I wish to update the source code (from Git to me) I run "git pull --rebase". Correct? I assume that that updates both builds. 04.45.26 # <[Saint]> Well...not entirely, but..."yes". 04.45.52 # <[Saint]> It does nothing with your build directories, but it does however update the source that both are built from. 04.46.47 # So, how do I update the SIM and likewise the build folder I've set up to create an up to date .zip? 04.47.42 # <[Saint]> You do "git pull --rebase" in /rockbox, then cd to your build specific directories and just run "make" again. 04.48.18 # Great. Thanks. 04.48.54 # <[Saint]> Sorry, "make && make zip) 04.49.03 # <[Saint]> -)+" 04.49.29 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.49.29 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.49.29 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.49.31 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.49.33 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.49.51 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.52.13 # I'll be working on that code you suggested. Removing the %t gets it working. Did you guys decide if that was a bug, ie it should work, but it's not, or that it's just not meant to be run within an %and? 04.55.11 # <[Saint]> apparently its intentional behaviour now. 04.55.27 # <[Saint]> %t needs to be passed a timeout field. 04.56.02 # <[Saint]> so you'll need to do "%t(length_of_timeout_required)" 04.56.05 # Not following. %t(xx)? 04.56.42 # Good. I'm fine with that. I thought I'd tried that, but perhaps I didn't. 04.57.28 # <[Saint]> Yes. %t used to default to 1 second if it wasn't passed a timeout field, but it seems that it no longer does (intentional). 04.58.17 # <[Saint]> So instead of just "%t" you need to do "%t(timeout_in_seconds.tenths_of_a_second)" 04.58.36 # <[Saint]> ie. %t(2.5) 04.59.51 # I note that my uploaded Clip themes (Pulse ) isn't working as it should any more. The background in the Slider no longer shows. Is that something that you guys are aware of and working on? 05.00.31 # %t(x.x) is fine by me. 05.01.05 # <[Saint]> Run it through checkwps (your broken theme). 05.01.37 # Yeah. I can do that now :) I've got Git installed now, don't ya know. 05.01.49 # <[Saint]> make another build specific directory, and then build checkwps for your target. 05.02.29 # <[Saint]> run "checkwps" without arguments for a description of usage. 05.02.45 # Will do. I did note that option in the /tools/configure 05.08.06 # OK. New directory/configured and ran make. Now where do I put the theme? 05.09.30 # <[Saint]> Whereever you please. You can either put it in the build directory, or pass the full path of the theme's location to checkwps 05.14.45 Quit curtism (Quit: Live Long and Prosper) 05.14.48 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 05.14.54 # To what level? What am I pointing it at to run? The .wps file? 05.15.43 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 05.18.42 Quit anewuser () 05.27.15 # I think I've figured it out. 05.34.50 Join snell [0] (46bd652d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.189.101.45) 05.34.54 # hello? 05.36.03 # i have a sansa fuze + and rockbox utility does not see it at all. win 7 does not display a drive letter but recognizes it. how can i install? 05.41.41 # nevermind, sorry. google is our friend 05.54.39 # 14:57 <[Saint]> Yes. %t used to default to 1 second.... <- that parser line was last changed Thu Jul 15 06:24:11 2010 so its not like it happend last week.... 05.55.45 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p5B024E80.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.57.05 # No. I'm stuck. This is the only info I can find about checkwps http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Tools Is this out of date? Or, do I just make a build-checkwpsclip directory and run ../tools/configure and then make? 05.57.49 # [Saint]: that said.... it should be dead simple to make it go back to being an optional param, though %tfoo; makes the %t redundant anyway because the ; adds the timeout default 05.58.03 # KiwiCam: you dont need checkwps 05.58.09 # just use the sim with --debugwps 05.59.07 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06.00.24 # <[Saint]> oh yeah...i forgot the ims have debug output again. 06.00.34 # <[Saint]> *sims 06.01.18 # * JdGordon feels slightly bad about that taking so long 06.02.00 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: fwiw, I'd like to see the old behaviour back wrt: timeout tags. 06.02.09 # like I said, it is entirely pointless 06.02.37 # you're welcome to submit the patch though :) 06.03.07 # show me an example where it makes things less confusing and I'll tihnk about it 06.03.40 # but %xd(a,1)%t;%xd(a,2)%t; etc is no easier than %xd(a,1);%xd(a,2); 06.04.32 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@c-76-105-172-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 06.06.19 # <[Saint]> wait...what? so just "foo; bar; baz" will alternate? 06.06.56 Quit snell (Quit: Page closed) 06.07.50 # JdGordon: Great. 06.07.50 # you didnt know that?! 06.07.51 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 06.08.23 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: no... 06.09.05 # <[Saint]> I though all alternating sub-lines requied %t 06.09.07 # if that doesnt work then its accidentally broken, but I'd be insnaely surprised if that were the case :) 06.09.07 # Mouse at 2: (8, 112) 06.09.08 # Resume index 2E offset 1E3C75 06.09.49 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 06.10.34 # JdGordon: Actually. I'd just been looking at that when you posted it. 06.12.33 # With this %t thing. Do I understand correctly that the semicolon alone acts as the %t ? 06.13.20 # <[Saint]> Apparently, but, I had absolutely NFI about this. 06.14.42 # %t doesnt make it a subline 06.14.45 # the ; does 06.15.16 # In other words ";" represents a default of 2 seconds. The same as %t(2.0) 06.15.26 # NO 06.17.01 # %t(2)one%t(2)two will just show a static line "onetwo" 06.17.11 # one;two will show two alternating lines 06.17.24 # the only reason to use %t() is if the default timeout is not what you want 06.17.27 # So, %; still spilts into two lines? 06.17.41 Quit dhrasmus (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 06.17.42 # no %; shows a ; 06.22.33 # The manual is wrong I think: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Alternating_Sublines 06.23.33 # oh? 06.26.32 # <[Saint]> well...thats not the manual, fwiw. 06.26.42 # <[Saint]> And, it *is* a wiki... :) 06.26.51 # and it's not wrong 06.27.53 # It's MY manual :) Luv's themes. Shouldn't "%; : Split items on a line into separate sublines" be "; : Split items on a line into separate sublines"? 06.28.13 # <[Saint]> No, because, that's wrong. 06.28.24 # <[Saint]> %; displays a semicolon. 06.28.31 # Yes. 06.28.56 # and thats what the wiki says 06.29.43 # ; splits into separate sublines. 06.29.51 # <[Saint]> Its funnt that you quoted the wiki specifically, but you still managed to make incorrect (for your use case) syntax. 06.29.58 # <[Saint]> *funny, too. 06.30.52 # <[Saint]> the first section you quoted simply doesn't exist. 06.31.01 # I'm a riot. Should there be a % in this line in the Wiki: %; : Split items on a line into separate sublines 06.31.07 # <[Saint]> And the section you believe it should be, is what it actually says. 06.31.29 # <[Saint]> No, there should no, and, there is not. 06.31.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.31.36 # <[Saint]> *should not. 06.31.55 # <[Saint]> I'm looking at the wiki right now, and, there is no % in that line. 06.32.05 # I see what you did there. 06.32.43 # <[Saint]> The line says, and I quote: " ; : Split items on a line into separate sublines" 06.32.56 # <[Saint]> Notice the distinct lack of a % 06.32.58 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 06.32.58 # I'll just leave my Screenshots for my own amusement... 06.34.00 # These are not the semi-colons I'm looking for... o_O 06.34.10 # s/b % 06.37.09 # So, do I file the "Mouse at 2: (8, 112) Resume index 2E offset 1E3C75" as a bug? Is it a bug? 06.39.04 # no 06.39.09 # just ignore that 06.53.51 Quit Rower85 (Quit: Hmmm...) 07.16.28 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 07.21.40 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng028.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 07.24.52 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 07.39.20 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 07.46.55 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 07.50.21 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@c-76-105-172-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.54.49 Quit dhrasmus (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.12.26 # * [Saint] wonders about the average number of glyphs in any one given Rockbox font. 08.12.50 # <[Saint]> Specifically, if its anywhere near 65K 08.13.14 # <[Saint]> (I'm wondering why the upper bound for "Glyph Cache" is so damn high...) 08.14.15 # Unifont has everything in the unicode BMP that's not undefined or otherwise redundant 08.14.34 # >50000 glyphs iirc 08.24.48 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 08.27.48 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 08.27.50 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049046026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 08.29.11 # I found the solution. I was using a %x( ) to draw a 128x1 bitmap. Changed it to %xl & %xd. Problem solved. 08.31.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.32.41 # %x() doesnt work anymore outside viewports, perhaps that's why 08.39.31 Quit Mir (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.39.40 Join Mir [0] (~Mir@pool-71-109-219-163.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.40.34 # It was inside a viewport actually. Was working up until around the 26th current. 08.41.37 # Feb. 08.48.30 Join nick_p [0] (~nick@82-69-105-120.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 08.52.47 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.59.50 # <[Saint]> KiwiCam: Well, bisect the commit which broke it (it == %x), then lodge a bug report. 09.03.53 # dont bother, %x changed and im going to bet kugel said the answer 09.04.50 # <[Saint]> read brother, read. 09.05.01 # <[Saint]> he called it inside a viewport, apparently. 09.05.15 # touche' 09.05.43 # <[Saint]> Yeah, I figured it was my turn to read something correctly today ;) 09.05.59 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.07.13 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.20.29 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 09.20.29 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 09.20.29 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.25.12 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.27.10 # You can look at the code here: http://themes.rockbox.org/download.php?themeid=1436 You'll see that the %x( ) is inside the viewport. Line 73 %x(q,oneline.bmp,0,13) 09.30.28 Quit XavierGr (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09.33.24 # hmm, ok, that should indeed work 09.37.24 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit) 09.37.25 # just FYI, 0,0 is no longer required on %x() 09.37.37 # it puts thoe values in by default if they arent given 09.39.42 # "%t(2.0)%ac%ca, %cb %cd;%t(0.5)" <- *why*? 09.39.54 # blinking clock is supposed to look good? 09.40.52 # KiwiCam: what target is this for? 09.41.19 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.41.29 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.158.103) 09.41.29 Quit [Saint] (Changing host) 09.41.29 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 09.47.24 # KiwiCam: crikey! that prgressbar is pretty awesome 09.48.20 # Progress Bar. You ain't seen nothing yet. 09.51.03 # "%t(2.0)%ac%ca, %cb %cd;%t(0.5)" It's been a while, but space constraints, as I recall. The Blinking Clock is only while paused. HOLD then TIME, HOLD then TIME. 09.51.31 # hmm, OK, yeah you'll have to use %xl/xd for that 09.51.37 # Target? Target audience??? 09.52.40 # %xl & %xd are nicer IMO. I should have done it that way the first time. 09.54.10 # I disagree 09.54.38 # but thats the only way to get what you want, %xd() redraws the image every time the screen is updated, %x() only draws the image when the viewport becomes enabled 09.54.41 # so thats why it works 09.55.09 # I like that it means all the bitmaps are listed at the beginning in one place. 09.55.30 # that can be done with %x as well 09.56.05 # you can put %xl anywhere in the skin 09.56.15 # It wasn't that way just a short while ago. But, at least it's an easy fix. But there's an L missing Jd. 09.56.46 # True. 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I like the ability to extend the sleep time upon button key press, but I'd like an option to exclude the volume keys, as when I'm listening to podcasts, the volume levels tend to change dramatically between tracks. Perhaps we can just set one button to extend the Sleep Time? 20.38.24 Quit y4n (Quit: only amiga makes it possible) 20.39.28 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@adsl-ull-219-244.45-151.net24.it) 20.50.15 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.04.11 Quit freqmod (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.05.24 Join perrikwp_ [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 21.05.31 Quit perrikwp (Read error: Operation timed out) 21.08.28 Join freqmod [0] (~quassel@2001:700:300:1430:226:18ff:fe82:1a24) 21.08.46 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 21.16.52 Quit preglow (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.16.57 # bertrik: sounds reasonable 21.17.27 Quit aevin (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.24.25 Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) 21.24.50 Join preglow [0] (thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no) 21.27.20 # kugel, thanks. I can't reproduce the problem on my nano 1g, even after changing the date in the OF though 21.43.15 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 21.43.15 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 21.46.16 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21.54.14 Join bitcraft_ [0] (~bitcraft@66.254.199.148) 21.57.58 Quit bitcraft (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.00.36 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 22.02.58 # KiwiCam, I have been thinking about that too - but dont how easy it would be to implement. Have you heard of ReplayGain? 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It never really worked for me and now it would just be one more step in between gPodder and PuddleTag. 22.39.33 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@c-76-105-237-23.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 22.42.03 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) 22.42.37 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng118.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 22.42.56 # Commit bae2470 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Refactor lcd_clear_viewport(). 22.45.11 Join qnm [0] (~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a) 22.45.52 # bae2470 build result: All green 22.51.31 Part LinusN 22.54.35 Nick sc__ is now known as s (~sc@108.59.3.226) 22.54.58 Nick s is now known as sscc (~sc@108.59.3.226) 22.55.15 # any anticipated date for ipod classic stable? 22.55.31 # is emCORE bios levereagable? 22.57.19 # There's no date. No one's been really working on the port as of late. 22.57.32 # People come and go, and people work on whatever strikes their fancy at the moment. 22.57.35 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 22.58.01 # :| 22.58.07 Quit LambdaCalculus37 (Quit: Fwump) 22.58.32 Quit [Saint_] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.58.39 # 11:58 gevaerts Make them depend on the last digit of the track time or something like that 22.58.41 # 11:58 gevaerts That's still not random in the sense that it's always the same for a specific track, but still not bad I think 22.59.00 # I know the tag for the total track time but how to get the last digit only? hum 22.59.16 # hmmm 22.59.28 # right. Substring doesn't really do that I guess 23.00.03 # * gevaerts should have done that with negative values meaning "from the end" 23.00.20 # First digit of total track time? :) 23.00.24 # (not as random) 23.00.53 Quit Misanthropos (Quit: Verlassend) 23.01.57 # and how to get the 1st digit? I'm not familiar with substrings 23.03.53 # Actually, have a look at the commit message for 31a05953e142b1ffff631cfb8b817880db7e4c27 23.04.15 # I think it does almost exactly that (except it uses a different tag to get the first digit from) 23.04.33 # Oh, well, it gets the second digit 23.05.03 # Commit 1f83d2c in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: lcd_fillrect(): Unify 16bit implementations (move to 16bit-common.c) 23.05.09 # You want %?ss(0,1,%pt) 23.05.38 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.158.103) 23.05.38 Quit [Saint] (Changing host) 23.05.38 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 23.06.00 # The first digit of total track time is going to be biased towards lower digits, so maybe you want to adjust for that in the image distribution 23.07.46 # 1f83d2c build result: 14 errors, 0 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed) 23.08.18 # I definitely don't really understand the substring tags :D I read the commit comment and CustomWPS again 23.09.10 # Commit 04cd1fd in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Remove left-over debug statement (oops). 23.10.10 # from what I understand %?ss(0,1,%pt) gets the 1st digit and not the 2nd 23.10.56 # and %?ss(1,1,%pt) would get the 2nd 23.11.55 # 04cd1fd build result: All green 23.15.18 # Am I right gevaerts? And why would it be biaser towards lower digits? I have 5 different pics 23.15.39 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.16.01 # You can also use ,number as well now in a substring, if that helps. %ss(1,1,%pt ,number) 23.16.43 # Take your music collection, get the track lengths, get the first digit from there, and count. You'll find that 1 comes up a lot more than 9 23.17.09 # gevaerts: the CC lines for librbcodec have the full path 23.18.19 # that's why I would rather use the 2nd digit than the 1st one 23.18.29 # Misanthropos: On second thoughts, I will take another look at Replaygain. 23.18.45 # what does this "number" refer to kiwicam? 23.18.45 # What about using offset? 23.19.03 # Then that won't work for very short tracks. But sure, use the 2nd if you like. It will still be a bit biased though I think, but probably less so 23.19.06 # It converts a string value (which is what the result is) to a number 23.19.10 # kugel: where? 23.19.13 # I think. 23.19.20 # gevaerts: when compiling 23.19.23 # kugel: that wont work because the ui needs to redraw before the skin_render() call calls lcd_update() or you will see a screen flicker 23.20.01 # kugel: ah, right. No idea why... 23.21.30 # [Saint]: I wanted to get you to test g#191 23.21.32 # 3Gerrit review #191 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/1) 23.21.52 # lebellium: youll probably be interest in that patch also (if you want smooth progressbar updates in your theme) 23.22.11 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.23.39 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@119.225.209.134) 23.26.35 # JdGordon: haven't tried your viewport percentage %V patch. however, after having thought about it more its usefulness is limited as there is still no way to center images (however still useful for text) 23.27.10 # %ac%xd() should be possible :p 23.27.25 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 23.27.54 # just implement percentage positioning on the %xl tag 23.29.29 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 23.33.38 # hum %?ss(1,1,%pt)<%xd(Aa)|%xd(Ab)|%xd(Ac)|%xd(Ad)|%xd(Ae)> shows Aa for all tracks 23.36.50 # In verbal terms, what is it that you're wanting to achieve with the %ss result? 23.38.43 # that it displays a different no-album-art pic according to the 2nd digit of the total track time 23.41.20 # No Album art pic? Your own bitmap? Perhaps %xd(,%ss(1,1,%pt,number)) 23.42.07 Join perrikwp [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 23.42.16 # yep my own bitmap 23.42.57 # So you have 5 bitmaps to choose from as random Album Art? 23.43.10 # exactly 23.43.25 # try what I suggested. Turn them into a Strip/ 23.43.41 # for the moment I display them according to the file format (mp3, wma, flac etc) so not random at all :p 23.44.09 Quit perrikwp_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23.47.27 # what do you mean by "turn them into a strip/" ? 23.48.14 # A Bitmap Strip. Use %ss to choose which bitmap within the Strip to apply. 23.48.24 # Subimage number. 23.48.32 Quit qnm (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.48.36 # ah ok 23.48.43 # it's already so 23.49.04 # the 5 designs are in one single bitmap 23.51.36 # With the first digit of Total Track Time, you have 10 digits 0,1,2-9. Correct? Use a 10 image Strip. So, I'm thinking that this would do what you need. s %xd(,%ss(1,1,%pt,number)) Am I on the right track here? 23.51.40 Join qnm [0] (~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a) 23.57.21 # well I guess it's too complicated for me.