--- Log for 26.03.112 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 22 hours ago 00.02.29 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.06.32 Quit XavierGr (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.08.48 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.14.49 Join amithkk [0] (u4289@2buntu/writers/amithkk) 00.21.33 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.21.41 Quit WalkGood () 00.21.43 Join TBCOOL [0] (~tb@c-123071d5.09-42-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 00.37.52 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 00.39.13 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120321033733]) 00.42.26 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.59.29 Quit MethoS- (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 01.05.49 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 01.13.56 Quit thegeek (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.14.05 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@33.15.9.46.customer.cdi.no) 01.25.08 Quit amithkk (Max SendQ exceeded) 01.26.13 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@eng009.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu) 01.34.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.42.51 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 01.46.51 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 01.54.20 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 01.55.21 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 02.00.13 Quit diginet (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.00.30 Join diginet [0] (~diginet@ppp-70-247-40-9.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 02.05.03 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 02.05.18 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 02.06.15 Quit mystica555 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.09.57 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 02.11.11 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 02.11.44 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.13.57 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.14.10 # I gather my Clips partition table is corrupted and that I need to run sudo /sbin/fsck.vfat -r /dev/sde to fix the partition table on the clip. I get this message "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." some differences and three options. 1) Copy original to backup2) Copy backup to original3) No action I gather 2 is the option to take. Or, is none of this correct? 02.36.14 Join guymann [0] (~charles@64-252-120-203.adsl.snet.net) 02.45.10 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.58.58 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 03.02.03 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.195.96.67) 03.13.15 # KiwiCam: fsck -wy 03.17.32 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-211-200-241.hlrn.qwest.net) 03.22.06 # funman: Thanks. I'll give that a go. 03.26.34 Quit perrikwp (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.28.01 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 03.33.35 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 03.34.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.55.54 Join phalangees [0] (~kyle@96-42-49-250.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) 03.57.19 Quit phalangees (Client Quit) 04.01.33 # <[Saint]> funman: hows the nn2g USB stuff coming along (or not)? 04.01.45 # <[Saint]> Any luck with reverting to a state where the driver was functional? 04.03.41 # [Saint]: not 04.03.49 # (see logs) 04.04.14 # * [Saint] wonders what version his are running... 04.05.15 # <[Saint]> r31646 (ancient, I know) works here. 04.06.25 # <[Saint]> (emCORE r859) 04.08.03 # emcore doesn't matter 04.09.12 # <[Saint]> Well, if it helps at all, the version mentioned above mounts successfully in Windows and Ubuntu 04.09.28 # <[Saint]> (not only mounts, but transfers too) 04.11.51 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 04.13.55 Quit mystica555 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.15.57 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-211-200-241.hlrn.qwest.net) 04.16.12 # <[Saint]> I wish I could be of more help, but this driver business is way too low level for myself. I got lost *very* quickly poking around in the associated code. 04.18.10 Quit mystica555 (Remote host closed the connection) 04.18.47 Join mystica555 [0] (~Mike@71-211-200-241.hlrn.qwest.net) 04.32.30 Join perrikwp [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 04.36.29 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 04.37.07 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.37.47 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 04.41.46 Quit MethoS- (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04.43.24 Quit anewuser () 04.51.24 # now the problems seem to come from driver and usb core interaction 04.54.14 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.195.96.67) 05.05.53 Quit nosa-j (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.05.56 # * [Saint] wonders why we don't have countless people flooding us with reports of this. 05.06.35 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@adsl-74-235-79-134.clt.bellsouth.net) 05.06.37 # <[Saint]> The nn2g is one of the most powerful, and readily available targets...it certainly *used* to be very popular. 05.08.09 Quit factor (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.17.29 # * [Saint] summons JdGordon briefly. 05.17.44 # <[Saint]> Seems there's some demons in the scrolling magic, sire. 05.18.17 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.18.17 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 05.18.20 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 05.18.22 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 05.18.24 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 05.18.39 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.19.24 # <[Saint]> I note the quickscreen apparently doesn't dig scrolling lines (noted on the forum), and yesterday, a user reported that data related tags refuse to scroll (ie. %s%casome_text_long_enough_to_make_it_scroll doesn't actually scroll at all) 05.19.40 # He's hiding in his castle with the crenelated embattlements. 05.19.41 # <[Saint]> *date related 05.23.13 # <[Saint]> Aha... jhMikeS, just the man. 05.24.18 # <[Saint]> Did you, or did you not, implement the base for the keyclick/beep magic to output more than just clicls/beeps, or did I imagine this? 05.25.39 # <[Saint]> I seem to recall you putting down the groundwork for UI sound effects during your playback engine (and other assorted hackery) rework. 05.26.02 Join Rower85 [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-90.bitnet.nu) 05.26.32 # yes, I was screwing around and perhaps more complex sounds would be useful. not just wistling dixie of course. :) 05.26.49 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.195.96.67) 05.27.26 # we *could* play wav files and such if we want to enable that sort of thing 05.28.03 # I spent about all of 20 minutes or so to throw that up in gerrit 05.29.41 # oh, yes, the idea of sound effect defines I did earlier, which could actually play any sound in principle 05.29.42 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.29.52 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.30.48 # it's all pretty superficial. no engine to do it exists at the moment. 05.32.27 # [Saint]: ? 05.34.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.41.14 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: apparently date tags (or at the least %ca) borks scrolling now. 05.41.21 # <[Saint]> Is this known to you? 05.42.23 # <[Saint]> I wasn't sure if the date was classed as "dynamic content" (though I guess it technically is) or not. It definitely *used* to work. 05.43.50 # <[Saint]> When I say "now", its not necessarily a recent breakage at all...it could have happened any time in the last two years. :-S 05.50.26 # <[Saint]> jhMikeS: the conversation that made me remember that work was almost pure silliness (adding realistic wobble/scratch effects to a record player theme gevaerts was thinking about), but it also made me thing that (especially for RaaA) being able to fire arbitrary sound effects from a theme would be pure awesome. 05.50.41 # <[Saint]> A theme could include its own (optional) soundscape then. 05.51.11 # <[Saint]> *made me think that 05.52.45 # <[Saint]> So, I wanted to question whether or not it was something that actually had some guts in place in the core, something that *could* have some guts in place in the core, or something you dreamt up but never actually got any further with. 05.54.00 # what format to use? 05.56.54 # <[Saint]> My assumption was that it could in theory use any of the supported codecs, but, the cheaper the codec the better one would guess. 05.57.14 # <[Saint]> If it caused an obvious stutter it wouldn't be very nice. 05.58.52 # speex would suck for that, a cheap codec good, but needs to work when music is playing too 06.01.42 # <[Saint]> I imagine some of the lesser targets would struggle trying to play two audio streams if it was already playing a "heavy" codec. 06.01.57 # <[Saint]> that would be non-nice. 06.02.06 # indeed. in the worst case, it's three audio streams if voice is going too 06.03.51 # <[Saint]> Aha...right, I forget about voice. 06.11.16 # [Saint]: err... date tags should absolutly be working with scrolling... there was a bug which made me fix that 06.11.25 # does any other dynamic content break scrolling? 06.11.54 # <[Saint]> I'll test when I get back in an hour or so. 06.12.33 # <[Saint]> I tested with %s%ca-string_that_made_it_long_enough_to_push_outside_the_viewport, and nothing. 06.23.31 # ok, bug me tonight, im busy currently 06.36.27 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 06.37.17 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 06.38.09 # funman: I'm getting this fsck.ext2: invalid option -- 'w' I see no w option in the Man pages. So this works "sudo fsck.vfat -wy /dev/sdg" (it's /dev/sdg now) and I get this "dosfsck 3.0.9, 31 Jan 2010, FAT32, LFN/FOUND.000 Contains a free cluster (52724). Assuming EOF.Unable to create unique name" Rather than continue to try recover it, can I just reformat? If so, what's the best way? 06.47.35 # <[Saint]> KiwiCam: why are you using fsck.ext2 on a FAT filesystem, may I ask? 06.49.32 # <[Saint]> And, yes, you're quite right. It *should* spit an error about the -w flag, as fsck.ext* has no idea what this flag is. 06.49.44 Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FFD1ABA.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.49.48 # <[Saint]> fsck.vfat however... 06.52.52 Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 06.53.59 # [Saint]: I'm not. It's formatted Fat32 06.54.27 # <[Saint]> so why were you trying fsck.ext*? 06.55.15 # <[Saint]> you want "mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sd" btw. 06.55.27 # <[Saint]> (to format the filesystem as FAT32 in Linux) 06.55.56 # <[Saint]> this may or may not involve installing the dosfstools package. 06.56.19 # <[Saint]> (depending on whether or not your distro includes it) 06.56.32 # Disk Utility says that it's FAT. fdisk -l is reporting it as Unknown 06.57.12 # <[Saint]> that still doesn't answer my question as to why you were trying to use fsck.ext* 06.57.41 # <[Saint]> I find it pretty hard to believe that fsck.vfat spat an error that fsck.ext* doesn't support -w 06.57.45 # I didn't I did "sudo fsck -wy /dev/sdg" 06.58.16 # <[Saint]> Aha, right. 06.58.26 # <[Saint]> So, anyway...yeah. Don't do that ;) 06.58.35 # Har! 06.59.00 # I might as well wipe it if I can. mkdosfs.... 06.59.03 # <[Saint]> If you really don't care about recovery, and just want to format the thing, the command I listed above will do it. 06.59.21 # There's nothing on there that I'll be missing. 06.59.35 # <[Saint]> If it bitches about dosfstools being missing, feed it "apt-get install dosfstools" 06.59.46 # Will do. Thanks. 07.02.29 # <[Saint]> There's almost certainly some GUI tool included that will "just work", but, ...meh. 07.11.58 # I'm comfortable with CLI as long as I have an idea as to what I'm about to do. So, I did an apt-get (it's there) , ran the command, Mount error. Unmounted it, ran it again. Removed it from the USB cable and it "scanning disk". If I reconnect the cable it just goes to scanning disk again. http://pastebin.com/z0CZxEcj 07.18.16 Join PaulJam [0] (~Paule@p54BEB0F3.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.21.33 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.21.35 # <[Saint]> Its at this stage where you boot the OF and just give up and use the OF to format itself. 07.23.34 # OK. Will do. 07.24.33 # <[Saint]> when you say "So I unmounted...", what exactly did you do here? 07.24.51 # <[Saint]> As far as I can see the system isn't aware of any such device on /sdg 07.25.57 # <[Saint]> "umount /dev/sdg/ && mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdg" should've done it, unless I'm in braindead land. 07.27.00 # The unmount Icon in Nautulis. What's the key press combo to stop this thing from going into "scanning disk" every time I turn it on? 07.27.19 # <[Saint]> There isn't one. 07.27.22 # Got it 07.27.36 # Home and Power On did the trick. 07.29.19 # <[Saint]> Oh, I thought you were talking about the SanDisk firmware's "refreshing media" screen. 07.29.30 # <[Saint]> My mistake. 07.31.37 Quit PaulJam (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.34.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.40.06 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 08.01.06 Quit nosa-j (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.02.05 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@adsl-74-235-79-134.clt.bellsouth.net) 08.14.15 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 08.54.41 Quit CaptainKewl (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.55.56 Join alexbobp_ [0] (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 08.56.48 Quit alexbobp_ (Client Quit) 08.57.35 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.58.26 Quit alexbobp (Quit: this vps is a shithole, migrating chats to a different one) 08.59.24 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 09.08.30 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.23.35 Join leavittx [0] (~leavittx@89.221.199.187) 09.25.31 Join sirrozha [0] (~sirrozha1@89.23.200.190) 09.25.49 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@e178187076.adsl.alicedsl.de) 09.34.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.37.18 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 09.37.18 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 09.39.41 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.39.43 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.43.44 # The firmware is installed, Rockbox is installed. I'm getting a 404 Error when installing the Font pack or themes. 09.45.42 # KiwiCam: release or daily build installed? 09.46.39 # Daily Build is on the Clip. 09.46.57 # there's a known and already fixed issue 09.47.13 # Thanks. 09.47.33 # depending on the git hash Rockbox Utility can fail to dxtract the correct string 09.48.11 # either install a different version and thy to get one with a hash that doesn't trigger the problem 09.48.30 # or simply install manually :) 09.49.18 # you ca also try Rockbox Utility from git, but I haven't made binaries for that yet 09.52.54 # I've already put back my themes and the fontpack and the sounds. I'm happy and good to go. Thanks everyone for your help. I'm sure I'll be back for more. 10.01.55 # <[Saint]> Hummmm....weird. 10.02.30 # <[Saint]> The new Nano refuses to charge with an official Apple branded firewire charger and cable. 10.03.10 # <[Saint]> It doesn't even acknowledge that anything is inserted in the dock connector. 10.07.00 # <[Saint]> Yet, if I use a generic firewire wall-wart, it charges fine. 10.07.26 # <[Saint]> ...seems weird to deliberately exclude your own charger with your detection magic. 10.07.56 # <[Saint]> (even if it is a LOT older than the device its charging and practically a forgotten format) 10.08.41 # <[Saint]> Hmmm...Nano5G won't charge with the firewire charger either. 10.24.42 # Arrrr. Now the thing won't connect via USB. Just starts Rockbox. However, if I start the Sansa firmware, and then plug it in, it connects to the pc. I can sync music to it via gPodder. If I plugged the USB cable in when it's off, it just goes to the RB File Menu. Plugging it in while using RB, the screen goes dark, but it stays in RB mode. 10.26.52 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.28.14 # I can use it though. So, for me it's not a problem. My little sansa. Together again! :) 10.31.50 # <[Saint]> That behaviour sounds quite broken... 10.32.42 # <[Saint]> Did you install a release, or current build, KiwiCam? 10.33.46 # <[Saint]> Hum...must be a current build (stoopid me).' 10.35.19 # Yes [Saint] Current build. 10.35.25 # No. 10.35.48 # I've just installed in 20 secs ago. It's working. 10.36.36 # <[Saint]> Did you reinstall from scratch, or just renew the /.rockbox dir? 10.37.12 # <[Saint]> the behaviour you describe is very non-normal. 10.37.18 # Put it this way. I had it on current. Put 3.10 on it. Then current just now. 10.37.45 # <[Saint]> That doesn't answer the question at all. 10.38.12 # It's working now. 10.40.38 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 10.41.55 # Excellent. All is good now. It was also reinstalling the Sansa firmware on a couple of the initial restarts into Sansa mode. It's not doing it at all now. 11.09.19 Quit sirrozha () 11.12.43 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@g228237179.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.20.48 Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 11.22.25 Join jordan` [0] (~gromit@2001:660:3302:2826:225:90ff:fe20:d9a8) 11.34.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.36.39 # [Saint]: ok, whats the issue with the clock? 11.46.06 # hmm, poo! 11.48.40 # scroling + dynamic content is well and truly broken 11.52.35 # whats the easiest way to make sure plugins are not compiled for a build? (i need codecs though so make bin is no good) 11.53.05 # ENABLEDPLUGINS in the generated makefile I think 11.54.54 # * JdGordon lols at his idiotic self 11.55.13 # http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=13f1b08388fa2896ebdc0e52920b23a1e9703c40 apparently didnt work 11.57.10 # gevaerts: apparently not 11.57.51 # JdGordon: "make bin codecs" :) 11.58.19 # kugel: he probably also needs to install :) 11.58.32 # "make install NODEPS=" 11.58.35 # omfg :p 11.59.17 # Oh, sneaky! 12.10.01 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 12.11.46 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.15.02 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.176) 13.02.03 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 13.02.11 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr) 13.02.11 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 13.02.11 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 13.13.10 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@186.93.175.208) 13.13.10 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 13.13.10 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 13.14.42 Quit TBCOOL (Quit: ..) 13.21.01 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 13.26.51 Join TBCOOL [0] (~tb@c-123071d5.09-42-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 13.28.48 # Commit 9445d46 in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: skin_engine: fix scrolling lines with dynamic content 13.30.35 # JdGordon: 3.11 material? 13.31.24 # 9445d46 build result: 23 errors, 3 warnings (Jonathan Gordon committed) 13.31.54 # ignore that 13.32.01 # oh good :) 13.32.02 # Not your fault 13.33.24 # Commit bda7ba1 in rockbox v3.11 by 03Jonathan Gordon: skin_engine: fix scrolling lines with dynamic content 13.33.35 # I'm really surprised that wasnt picked up ealier 13.33.55 # i.e back in decemeber when it was supposed to work :p 13.34.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.34.50 # I can only asssume git-svn did some wierdness because something that obvious should not have been commited unless I knew it was working 13.34.54 # anyway, whatever 13.35.13 # gevaerts: hwat do you tinhk about a tag to get a random value? 13.35.55 # JdGordon: I'm not against it, but it needs some thinking. When should the value change? 13.36.42 # yeah, it could be static and then with a bit of magic you could have it change every second 13.36.51 # or just chuck in a timeout value 13.37.32 # The one case I know of where it was wanted is lebellium's theme, where it should change per track 13.38.17 # * gevaerts will have a go at making %ss work from the right side later 13.38.34 # that should be dead simple 13.38.49 # * gevaerts nods 13.38.56 # hello guys 13.39.07 # For the random tag, maybe a thread in feature ideas to collect use cases? 13.39.12 # I was about to ask lorenzo to compile a build with the random value patch :) 13.40.03 # and I see you're talking about that 13.41.47 # The problem with a static is that it won't work really nicely if you use more of them 13.42.49 # gevaerts: well each individual tag is a different value 13.42.59 # Ah, indeed 13.44.38 # When do SKIN_REFRESH_STATIC tags refresh? 13.45.17 # if the subline changes, and on track change 13.45.24 # or when the viewport becomes visible 13.46.31 # OK, so for lebellium's case SKIN_REFRESH_STATIC would work, except it would also change when leaving/entering the wps, but I'd say that's minor 13.48.15 # no it wont 13.48.22 # it will keep the value it gets when it starts 13.48.31 # oh, you mean wps->menu>wps? 13.48.34 # yes 13.48.52 # thast a feature :) 13.51.11 # So the question is, do people also want a DYNAMIC random, and if so, is it doable/easy to do that with a parameter or does it need a separate tag? 13.51.29 # the other thing I've been working on is g#191 13.51.30 # 3Gerrit review #191 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/1) 13.51.39 # some opinions on that wouldd be nice 13.52.02 # no reason we couldnt do static unless the optinoal timeout param is given 13.53.58 Join T44 [0] (~Topy44@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 13.54.15 # JdGordon: does g#191 still take peak meters into account? 13.54.16 # 3Gerrit review #191 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/1) 13.56.46 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13.57.50 # gevaerts: i tinhk so 13.58.23 # It looks fairly straightforward to me, and it seems like a good idea 13.58.50 # The hypothetical skinning guide should probably warn about refreshing too often on menu screens though 13.59.57 # i did a batt bench *ages* ago and there was no realworld difference between 25Hz and 0Hz updates 14.00.10 # it was after the major rework though 14.02.41 # I very vaguely remember doing a battery bench in early 2008 on c200 where I noticed a significant difference between menu screen and the then default wps (with peakmeters) 14.03.18 # We don't refresh the screen when backlight is off now though I think on that player, but on mono screens it may still be noticeable 14.03.26 # So "needs retesting" :) 14.03.56 # and that is probably when the skin was being parsed at refresh time 14.04.15 # * gevaerts nods 14.21.03 # * JdGordon wonders if anyone else thinks it is stupid the default viewport ignores the statusbar setting in the wps 14.21.20 # i.e its at (0,0) when it should be at (0,8) if the inbuilt bar is enabled 14.22.19 Quit soap (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.23.16 Quit mortalis (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 14.30.35 Join soap [0] (~soap@cpe-76-181-78-156.columbus.res.rr.com) 14.30.35 Quit soap (Changing host) 14.30.35 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 14.33.15 # JdGordon: Lorenzo compiled me a build with your random value patch. What's the tag for it or how to use it? 14.33.48 # %?xx 14.34.25 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@chello084112032026.1.11.vie.surfer.at) 14.34.26 Quit dfkt_ (Changing host) 14.34.26 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.34.48 # thanks, I'll try that :) 14.36.05 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14.37.48 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.176) 14.50.58 # is the supported "ipod video" the one that's usually sold on ebay as "ipod classic 5th gen"? 14.53.25 # I wouldn't bet on "ipod classic 5th gen" always meaning the same thing, to be honest 14.53.44 # yes, it seems people have different opinions on version names 14.54.13 # 5th gen non-nano is the video. The problem is that classic strictly speaking is explicitely *not* the video 14.54.54 # yes, the ones apple explicitely calls "classic" seem to be the ones after the ipod video 14.55.03 # * gevaerts nods 14.55.31 # JdGordon: the random value tags seems to work. I tried that %?xx<%xd(Aa)|%xd(Ab)|%xd(Ac)|%xd(Ad)|%xd(Ae)> but actually that's not what I wanted to do hehe. That changes the pic unceasingly while I want it just to change when it skips to next track 14.56.36 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 14.58.32 # lebellium: that's exactly what we were discussing, actually :) 14.58.45 # [Saint]: I'm apparently insanely bored...! http://pastebin.com/YXAgnhV9 14.59.36 # gevaerts: ah :D so as of today it's not yet possible to do what I want? 15.02.28 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: put it up on Google docs and send me a collaboration invite. 15.02.46 # I want to flush it out first :) 15.02.59 # I want to make sure i get what I think are best practices in :D 15.03.24 # This is the sort of document whihc we should do, seperate to the manual (or as a proper appendix/chapter) 15.04.05 # <[Saint]> Oh, right, so you don't want me tainting it with my horrible coding style, huh? :p 15.05.53 # lebellium: look for DYNAMIC in that patch, and replace it with STATIC, and it will work for you. The exact syntax (and tag name) may still change though 15.06.20 # [Saint]: got it in one :) 15.06.26 Join CaptainKewl [0] (captainkew@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ubr2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 15.06.35 # [Saint]: does that read OK? 15.06.43 # (what i pasted so far) 15.07.25 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: it does, yes. Pastebin kinda fudged the formatting, but it reads well, yes. 15.07.48 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.08.13 # gevaerts: ok I'll see if lorenzo is willing to compile a new build again for me. Otherwise I'll wait for the final version of this patch 15.08.54 # lebellium: just set up a build environment and be done with it! 15.10.19 # <[Saint]> Amen. It'll take ~30 mins. 15.10.49 # <[Saint]> Then you'll never have to cry to anyone to patch and compile you a binary ever again. 15.12.09 # as I already told JdGorgon, I don't have time and knowledges for that. Moreover I use win 7, not linux. 15.12.50 # It's not exactly hard. You need to look up 4 commands I think 15.12.52 # <[Saint]> *cough* Wubi *cough* 15.13.09 # And download a VM image if you don't feel like setting up things yourself 15.14.19 # <[Saint]> If you were particularly willing to kick your own ass...you could even use CygWin. 15.14.37 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 15.14.51 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.158.103) 15.14.51 Quit [Saint] (Changing host) 15.14.51 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 15.15.51 # I only use nice interface-based Windows programs. Hate cmd. And don't want to use linux :D 15.16.43 # <[Saint]> Well, then, continue to rely on others for binaries...then. (but, its a sad state of affairs) 15.17.23 # [Saint]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AET-fqpBw8I5PzVdt_9DnxLwWkDNL2GQzHi-4gDvJ-I/edit 15.17.58 # <[Saint]> Considering how easy it is to set up a development environment, and how insanely easy it is to set up a VM or loopback filesystem image (ala Wubi), it really is a shame you're so against doing this for yourself. 15.20.10 # <[Saint]> In all honesty, writing a theme for Rockbox is more time and effort (and requires more knowledge) than compiling Rockbox. 15.21.37 # <[Saint]> The wiki outlines exactly what one needs to do to a ridiculous extent, its pretty much "download a few things, then c/p a couple of lines". With a decent connection you can have it done in 30 mins without having to understand anything you're actually doing. :) 15.33.13 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 15.33.29 Quit enthdegree (Remote host closed the connection) 15.34.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.37.12 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 15.44.48 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: "but just about all tags work equally well in any screen (with some obvious exceptions.)" ...the exceptions aren't really that obvious. 15.45.12 # <[Saint]> In fact, some of the tags that don't work seem to be for absolutely no reason to the outside observer :) 15.45.29 # <[Saint]> (ffwd/rwd for example) 15.45.42 # <[Saint]> There's few enough tags to be able to list them, IMO. 15.46.09 Quit XavierGr (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15.46.25 # touch controls are completly seperate 15.46.48 # I was thinking more like the recording screen specific tags or whetver 15.47.12 # [Saint]: I guess it's rather a matter of laziness :) 15.47.32 # <[Saint]> there's no real reason why they shouldn't work in an .sbs either though, is there? 15.48.33 # yes, it isnt implemented yet 15.49.43 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 15.50.23 # <[Saint]> It should be noted that the alignment tags are mirrored if the viewport is flipped using the "if RTL tag" 15.51.21 # <[Saint]> (that's not actually a well known fact, I don't think) 16.00.22 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 16.03.30 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 16.11.33 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 16.17.03 Join akavel [0] (4dfec090@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.254.192.144) 16.24.54 # hi! is it possible to skip the "Scanning disk..." phase when starting rockbox? It freezes for me... 16.30.43 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.30.55 Quit akavel (Quit: Page closed) 16.32.04 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.39.22 # <[Saint]> hi! is it possible to wait more than 6 minutes before deciding no one will answer...? 16.47.22 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.48.34 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.195.96.67) 16.48.38 Quit T44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.52.40 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 16.54.51 Join fondueboy [0] (~fondueboy@h-120-249.a254.priv.bahnhof.se) 16.55.07 # Hi I have a small question 16.57.07 # I cant find any information on the Rockbox website about if you can use media organizers like Banshee with the Rockbox firmware? 16.57.55 # Rockbox doesn't care much about where you put your files, If those tools can work with a standard USB storage device, it will work 16.58.00 # So yeah the question is can one use apps like Banshee or iTunes with Rockbox? 16.58.12 # Ah ok thank you :) 17.00.24 # Good bye every one and thank you for the quick answer :D 17.00.40 Quit fondueboy (Quit: Leaving) 17.07.35 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 17.08.55 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.18.01 Join PaulJam [0] (~Paule@p54BED4A7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.40 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 17.31.16 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 17.34.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.57.52 Quit XavierGr (Quit: One firmware to rule them all!) 17.58.14 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 17.58.29 Part XavierGr 17.59.44 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 18.03.10 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@66.254.199.148) 18.10.46 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.16.12 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 18.19.54 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 18.21.40 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 18.23.33 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.26.57 Quit Topy44 (Remote host closed the connection) 18.37.48 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.40.05 Part LinusN 18.43.14 Join bitcraft_ [0] (~bitcraft@66.254.199.148) 18.43.14 Quit bitcraft (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.44.00 # what's the difference between "gcc -o FOO foo.c -labc" and "gcc -o FOO foo.c libabc.a"? 18.44.40 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@81.61.201.173.dyn.user.ono.com) 18.53.51 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@adsl-ull-220-249.45-151.net24.it) 18.56.57 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 18.56.57 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 18.56.57 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.58.31 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.05.49 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 19.05.49 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 19.05.49 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.06.10 Quit y4n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.06.24 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.17.42 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.18.56 Join pamaury_ [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 19.19.36 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.22.28 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 19.22.34 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 19.22.56 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 19.24.01 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.25.08 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224239048.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.30.30 # does the "recently added" feature in the database require anything specific? 19.30.39 # like "gather runtime data" or something like that? 19.30.57 Nick pamaury_ is now known as pamaury (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 19.30.58 # It doesn't work for me 19.31.10 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 19.31.10 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.33.11 Quit evilnick (Remote host closed the connection) 19.34.06 Quit Topy44 (Remote host closed the connection) 19.34.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.37.55 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 19.46.06 Join hoal [0] (~Miranda@stud213008.studentenheim.uni-tuebingen.de) 19.48.43 Quit hoal (Client Quit) 19.56.25 Quit WalkGood (Quit: ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪) 20.01.28 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.03.30 # bertrik: yes, I believe it needs 'gather runtime data' enabled. This should also be in the manual and/or wiki ;) 20.04.51 # the odd thing is that the recently added list has some older "recently added" albums, but not the very latest ones 20.05.09 # and I couldn't find any mention of the 'gather runtime data' requirement in the manual 20.07.25 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.09.36 # ok, I may have a look later 20.13.45 # I think it's possible to do a database dump, I might try that 20.18.47 Quit tuxx- (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.35.48 Quit PaulJam (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20.37.23 Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.48.38 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@drl126.wlan.sas.upenn.edu) 20.49.24 Quit zchs (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.53.09 Join zchs [0] (~zchs@ool-ad02eb3f.dyn.optonline.net) 20.53.50 # hmm, very strange, the powermgmt init sequence produces extremely weird results on the zen xfi2 but works flawlessly on the fuze+ :-/ 21.02.22 Join fml [0] (~chatzilla@manz-590efe5d.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.02.57 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 21.03.14 # Does anybody know why idak left rockbox (he abandoned two changes on gerrit with a depressed message)? 21.05.04 # the "commitid" for the tracks that are not showing up in "Recently added" is 0, while it is > 0 for other tracks 21.06.35 Quit Strife89 (Quit: ... out the door.) 21.07.41 Quit petur (Quit: here today, gone tomorrow) 21.09.01 # [Saint]: Is it worth clarifying the X & Y pixels? X being across the screen, from left to right, with pixel 0 on the left. Something like that? Y from top to bottom. 21.09.18 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 21.10.26 # I suspect a bug 21.12.22 # fml, no I don't, didn't notice actually 21.14.06 # bertrik: see g#152 and g#151 21.14.07 # 3Gerrit review #152 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,152 : Add support for HIDDEN Attribute of FAT filesystem by Akio Idehara (changes/52/152/7) 21.15.28 # fml: it might mean he's busy doing other things with the spring coming 21.18.25 # funman: I understand the message the other way 21.19.47 # I understood that he thought we wouldn't care about his work 21.27.59 # Hey, i have a cf modded iriver h120 here that seems to be occasionally hanging on disk access 21.28.09 # any ideas? 21.29.10 # kugel: that was my impression too 21.29.14 # tagcache.c is massive 21.29.15 Quit fml (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]) 21.31.30 # have we ever looked at optimising database scan speed? 21.31.44 # it looks like some tags are read way faster than others 21.34.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.40.28 Join enthdegree [0] (~BitchX@unaffiliated/enthdegree) 21.43.11 # since the cf works perfectly over usb i'm pretty sure the card and connection to the ide daughterboard is ok, so it's puzzling. it'll just stop at random intervals. 21.43.16 # or between tracks 21.44.59 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) 21.46.28 Quit y4n (Quit: PÆNTS ØLF!) 21.57.52 Quit XavierGr () 21.58.09 Join saratoga_ [0] (980329c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.41.196) 21.59.24 # kugel, fml: i emailed him a month ago about one of his patches and suggested that i thought he should have commit access, but he said he was too busy these days to program much and wasn't interested in commit access 22.09.58 # http://pastie.org/3673866 still no reboot on usb plug 22.10.20 # i only see the charger icon, and can navigate into the menus 22.12.00 # fml: were you going to commit FS#11473, i saw some people asking about it 22.12.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11473 3New bookmarking option: one per track (patches, new) 22.16.01 Quit Topy44 (Remote host closed the connection) 22.18.47 Join flaushy [0] (~nooon@p57901B19.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.22.04 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 22.23.27 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@f049113114.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.28.07 # Commit f269aa0 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: build system: unify/simplify library handling a bit. 22.30.47 # f269aa0 build result: 707 errors, 3 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed) 22.33.44 # \o/ 22.49.48 Join flaushy_ [0] (~nooon@p5798D4D4.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.49.56 Join bertrik_netbook [0] (~bertrik@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.53.29 Quit flaushy (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.53.57 Quit bitcraft_ (Remote host closed the connection) 23.06.20 Join fml [0] (~chatzilla@manz-590efe5d.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.07.31 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@66.254.199.148) 23.08.19 Quit Rower85 (Quit: Hmmm...) 23.08.57 # saratoga: re FS#11473: I even forgot it existed! :-) Which means: no, I'm probably not going to commit it any time soon. IIRC (it was long ago), there was next to no reaction to the patch, so I saw no point in further pushing it. But if you or someone else find the feature useful, I'll be pleased if it would be committed (a resync may be needed though). 23.08.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11473 3New bookmarking option: one per track (patches, new) 23.10.54 Quit bertrik_netbook (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.13.33 Quit leavittx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.19.46 # Commit 54e00c1 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Fix sim/checkwps build failure. 23.21.11 Quit fml (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193829]) 23.22.04 # 54e00c1 build result: 196 errors, 3 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed) 23.23.17 # :'( 23.34.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.38.08 # not sure how my commit could cause that error 23.38.52 Quit bitcraft (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.42.09 # Commit d26bbb9 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Hopefully) fix overlay plugins. 23.44.26 # d26bbb9 build result: 125 errors, 0 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed) 23.49.30 Quit Topy44 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.52.08 Join Llorean1 [0] (~DarkkOne@99-32-78-58.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 23.52.50 Quit Llorean (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.55.29 # Commit 045c69c in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Fix bootloaders. 23.56.18 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-20-20-92.client.mchsi.com) 23.56.51 Nick Llorean1 is now known as Llorean (~DarkkOne@99-32-78-58.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) 23.56.55 Quit Llorean (Changing host) 23.56.55 Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean) 23.57.33 # 045c69c build result: 40 errors, 3 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed) 23.58.17 # Commit d5f4391 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Partly undo 54e00c1: put include back to root.make and use SECONDEXPANSION.