--- Log for 04.05.112 Server: gibson.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 2 days ago 00.00.33 Quit davidmogar (Quit: Page closed) 00.02.17 Quit Thra11 (Remote host closed the connection) 00.03.06 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@121.90.113.87.dyn.plus.net) 00.13.59 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@119.225.209.134) 00.18.48 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 00.24.23 Quit domonoky1 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.29.19 Nick AlexP_ is now known as AlexP (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 00.32.48 Quit Llorean (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.38.46 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.47.36 Quit ender` (Quit: Trying to establish voice contact ... please yell into keyboard.) 00.50.37 Quit c3sso (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.58.25 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 01.03.03 Quit Naked (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.03.10 Join Naked [0] (~naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.04.08 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.14.58 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 01.22.35 Quit enthdegree (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.23.30 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 01.29.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.33.47 Quit Thra11 (Remote host closed the connection) 01.49.05 Join Topy [0] (Topy44@f049128160.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.50.49 Quit T44 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.50.50 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@121.90.113.87.dyn.plus.net) 01.56.36 Quit krnlyng (Remote host closed the connection) 02.42.53 Quit MethoS- (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 02.44.04 Quit bieber_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.45.25 Join bieber [0] (~quassel@97.97.75.169) 02.56.02 Quit Thra11 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.56.54 # ♪┏(・o･)┛♪┗ ( ･o･) ┓♪┏ ( ) ┛♪┗ (･o･ ) ┓♪┏(･o･)┛♪ 03.01.03 # behold, a virtual cave painting. 03.19.21 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 03.19.27 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 03.21.07 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 03.22.13 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155210.adsl.alicedsl.de) 03.29.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.01.30 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.01.30 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.01.31 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.31 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.01.33 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.06.21 # oh ffs.. spam in the tracker :/ 04.10.30 Quit rudi_s (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.12.57 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@austria125.server4you.de) 04.19.19 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.19.21 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.19.25 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.23.46 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 04.23.52 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 04.43.18 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04.47.06 Join NotJimCarrey [0] (~dementio@97-81-113-240.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) 04.47.08 # got 4 more steam keys if anyone wants em. alien shooter 1 & 2, steel storm: burning retribution, & really big sky 04.47.09 # :) 04.48.32 Quit Sundiver_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04.50.02 Join Sundiver [0] (~angel@174-124-3-205.dyn.centurytel.net) 04.50.06 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.59.04 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.59.06 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.08 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.24 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.59.26 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.59.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.06.19 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 05.16.06 Quit bieber (Remote host closed the connection) 05.25.52 Quit anewuser () 05.29.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.54.41 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 05.58.58 # yesterday I bumped my fuze v2 to 3.11.2, tried the usb mode controlled by rockbox, when I pulled the usb cable, it white screened and has been on a slow discharge since 05.59.13 # the 30 second power button hold did nothing 05.59.40 # any idea how long the fuze v2 takes to discharge from a full charge? 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12.10.36 Join Rower85 [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-90.bitnet.nu) 12.11.32 # n1s: IIRC there's (possibly only if you use the right compile-time options) a debug menu entry to free an early allocation which has the effect of moving all others 12.11.59 # aha 12.12.02 # thanks 12.15.10 # i'm thinking of syncing an rbcodec patch that abstracts out buflib allocs from tdspeed and it's nice to be able to test 12.17.45 Quit [Saint_] (Quit: Quit) 12.18.16 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 13.06.07 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 13.09.48 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 13.28.51 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr) 13.28.51 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 13.28.51 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 13.29.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.34.07 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.35.39 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.222.122) 13.35.40 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 13.35.40 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 13.43.31 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@87.115.102.165) 13.49.07 Quit Sundiver (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.51.07 Join Sundiver [0] (~angel@174.124.59.109) 14.00.10 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 14.01.54 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.02.15 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 14.04.36 Quit [Saint_] (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 14.18.22 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit) 14.18.44 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 14.29.11 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 14.33.28 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.34.28 # [20:12:10] I wonder why do we have *a lot of* long and unsigned long in fat.c. On our targets it is the same as int and unsigned int. <= These are remnants from the calmrisc16 porting effort. You will find such things in many other places as well. It doesn't hurt to keep them, in case there will be another 16 bit porting effort. 14.36.06 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@h-34-156.a238.priv.bahnhof.se) 14.48.51 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@adsl-ull-175-247.45-151.net24.it) 15.15.17 # amiconn: except when it hurts 15.15.38 Quit Thra11 (Remote host closed the connection) 15.16.01 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@87.115.102.165) 15.29.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.29.40 # amiconn: I'd say we should use int32_t then 15.46.38 Join andai [0] (~andai@53548D47.cm-6-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 15.48.56 # is there any progress happening around iPod classic? I read something a few years ago about apple making it difficult/impossible to load new firmware on it, but that seems to have been overcome? 15.49.37 # andai: rockbox works on the classic 15.49.46 # it's a bit tricky to install 15.50.14 # it says to use emCORE 15.50.24 # is that an alternative iPod OS on its own? 15.50.49 # yes, emcore can then start rockbox 15.50.53 # :D 15.51.57 # andai: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic7 15.51.59 # andai: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic 15.52.33 # and https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b5xbw6cp4ikfxwn/kZsgubJRfH/rockbox-ipod6g-135a333M-120501.zip 15.52.54 # I didn't manage to install emCORE under Windows 7, it was much easier under linux 15.53.30 # anyway, I can attest that Rockbox runs pretty nicely on the Classic 15.54.23 # copper: any issues with stability or battery life? 15.54.30 # copper: you know that the classic build is built by the buildsystem, right? http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodclassic.zip 15.54.30 # stability no 15.54.36 # I'm still evaluating battery life 15.54.47 # n1s: that's a stability-patched build I think 15.55.03 # copper: How long do you get on average? I used to have ridiculously long times with my iPod Classic 120GB 15.55.06 # TheSeven: stability patched how? 15.55.11 # [ with the uh, original fw ] 15.55.36 # andai: I'd estimate ~25h with the original firmware, ~15-20h with rockbox 15.55.38 # andai: I installed it only recently, so I can't give you a figure yet 15.55.42 # so a bit less, but still plenty 15.56.00 # andai: apparently you can use Musepack to increase playback battery life 15.56.15 # n1s: I think it has some nasty hack for that IRQ mode mutex deadlock bug 15.56.26 # TheSeven: i thought the stability issues were taken care of 15.56.28 # I've been a bit out of the loop recently, no idea if a fix for that was ever committed 15.56.54 # i only saw some discussion on the ML with a lot of arguing and no clear decision on the right way to fix it 15.56.54 # copper: what are the changes in the build you linked? 15.57.13 Join [Sinner] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 15.57.19 # user890104: does that happen to be your build? 15.57.44 # "musepack is fast" --> less cpu cycles --> longer battery life? 15.57.47 # n1s: http://www.head-fi.org/t/532426/ipod-classic-rockbox-its-happening/705#post_8349382 15.57.56 # andai: yes 15.58.01 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit) 15.58.16 # andai: if that speed is bought by bigger files then it's not so clear 15.58.17 # TheSeven: yeah he uses the same on 15.58.21 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 15.58.22 # one 15.58.30 # because the HDD will be spinning for a higher percentage of time 15.58.35 # what was the main challenge in getting cutom firmware on the iPod classic, and how was it overcome? 15.58.46 # Musepack --insane is smaller than AAC/MP3 256 15.58.49 # [ and how long ago? I, too have been out of the loop :/ 15.59.09 # andai: well they did all hell of firmware signing stuff to prevent us from executing custom code 15.59.17 # and there is no documentation on these chips at all 15.59.18 # TheSeven: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=7ec426e this was committed and i thought it should fix the random crashes, i never experienced them myself 15.59.35 # ah, right 15.59.56 # so he found a way to circumvent the "i2c in irq mode" issue as a whole 16.00.09 # TheSeven: yeah it seems so 16.00.10 # that might indeed mean that master is just as stable now 16.00.24 # but that build probably had some more patches, like enabling clock/voltage scaling 16.00.36 # if that has proven to work well we could apply it to master as well 16.00.45 # so that linked build is just a custom build with a couple of patches from gerrit and some further undervolting it seems 16.00.54 # probably 16.01.04 # and probably even some older fix for that hold switch bug 16.01.16 # what are the main power consumers on an iPod? backlight, cpu, phones output? 16.01.36 # mostly hdd, cpu/memory, backlight 16.02.03 Join saratoga [0] (980329b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.41.180) 16.02.04 # i'm just a bit reluctant telling users to use custom builds without motivation, that's why i was curious 16.02.15 # you can go even for Musepack --standard and probably be fine (180 kbps) 16.02.44 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 16.02.49 # wasn't the clock voltage stuff already committed? 16.02.57 # saratoga: yeah 16.03.10 # I've long dreamed of an iPod classic sized device with the hard drive replaced by a larger battery and MicroSDHC cards ( You'd need 5 to match the original storage ) 16.03.21 # n1s: btw, I didn't see the classic build linked from the website 16.03.32 # andai: actually, with a lot of hacking, that might be possible 16.03.33 # copper: the link isn't visible 16.03.58 # TheSeven: *this* is what I want to do when I grow up :D 16.04.18 # those ipods do in fact have an SD controller 16.04.38 # n1s: which is why I downloaded the dropbox build 16.04.44 # they talk an sd-card like protocol to one particular hdd model 16.04.47 # called CE-ATA 16.04.47 # i don't quite remember why it's hidden, probably due to the "unusable" status 16.05.17 # perhaps it's time to move it up to unstable 16.05.31 # This is perhaps more of a general question, but how can I transition from being someone who writes basic php into someone who writes iPod firmware? 16.05.34 # n1s: IMO we need a better installation method for that 16.05.46 # andai: that's a steep learning curve 16.05.51 # n1s: it's definitely usable 16.05.55 # the build I got anyway 16.06.10 # n1s: yes, we only list stable and unstable builds for download. not the "unusable" ones. 16.06.12 # TheSeven: maybe, that does seem to be the remaining big issue. 16.06.17 # copper: the installation method is the part that isn't really usable 16.06.21 # i think that dropbox build is just more EQ bands and gordon's file system patch 16.06.48 # TheSeven I think (hope) it fits within a broader category of programming skills, my other interests include networking and AI :D 16.06.59 # someone should add that info to the web page... 16.07.23 # andai: well, you'll need quite a lot of hardware-level background knowledge 16.07.44 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 16.09.11 # TheSeven: i'm not sure where to begin 16.09.27 # assembly language programming (or more importantly reading disassemblies of apple code), generally some good knowledge of the ARM architecture, some knowledge of commonly used communication protocols/interfaces, a bit system-on-chip design can't hurt 16.11.18 # TheSeven: well, that's what you need for reverse-engineering. for just contributing to rockbox you don't have to be an expert in all those areas. 16.13.00 # Zagor, TheSeven: Maybe I can start out by redesigning things like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Wps-brushedmetalh300wps.png 16.13.29 # andai: that is one way to contribute, but it doesn't really get you any closer to programming for your ipod 16.13.47 # TheSeven: Does your profession involve much of the knowledge and skills associated with contributing to Rockbox? 16.13.54 # not at all 16.13.58 # i'm still a student :) 16.14.12 # but I plan to be working in that area once i finish university 16.14.21 # :O what are you studying? I need to decide what to study at university in the next few months 16.14.26 # computer science 16.14.53 # that does seem to be what i keep coming back to... 16.15.05 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 16.15.27 # that and a bit of applied math 16.16.18 Join Synergist [0] (~synfn@node1.customhost.org.uk) 16.16.19 Quit Synergist (Changing host) 16.16.19 Join Synergist [0] (~synfn@unaffiliated/synergist) 16.16.52 # This might be a strange question, is the rockbox/ipodclassic install tricky because it's tricky, or has it not yet been made easy because it's not release-ready yet? 16.17.22 # both, from what I can tell 16.19.20 # oh, the guide says i need iTunes ( at least, that having iTunes will allow me to take the easier path ). Does 32/64bit matter? 16.19.34 # nah you don't need iTunes 16.20.11 # A] Install iTunes B] Install a custom device driver for the iPod (advanced users only) 16.20.18 # and the easier path for me wasn't what they said it would be 16.20.21 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.21.08 # I did it under linux (without iTunes obviously) 16.21.22 # couldn't make it work under Windows 7, both with and without iTunes 16.21.45 # I tried under windows first because I figured it would be easier 16.29.58 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit) 16.34.57 # So I am following this guide http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic and i got to the step where i have the iPod in recovery mode and it shows a UMSBoot partition 16.35.44 # should i keep following the guide and then do something later to get rockbox on it as well? ( Heads up, I don't really know what I am doing, but I did once successfully follow a guide and replaced my linux tablet's firmware ) 16.36.19 # the guide says it all 16.36.20 # ahh nevermind, the later steps mention and explain Rockbox 16.36.21 # thx 16.36.21 # follow it 16.36.26 # Thanks* 16.36.45 # I guess you got more luck than I did 16.37.01 # I don't know what was wrong with my Windows setup 16.37.08 Part LinusN 16.37.20 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 16.43.27 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p54946639.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.43.28 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 16.43.28 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 16.44.20 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-175-223.student.uu.se) 16.44.20 Quit n1s (Changing host) 16.44.20 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 16.44.23 # copper: How far did you get following the guide on windows? 16.45.07 # I couldn't get it to boot in recovery mode 16.45.45 # "The display of your iPod should now stay black, and a new USB device called "Apple Recovery (DFU) USB Driver" should connect to your PC." 16.45.51 # I couldn't get that to happen 16.46.01 # copper: Working great so far! copying the .rockbox you sent me now 16.46.36 # cool! 16.46.56 # copper: Did you run the utility? I held menu+select until reboot, and kept holding until drive turned off again ( black ), then I ran the http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/bootstrap_ipodclassic_itunes.exe 16.47.32 # oh wow i think i'm done. just need to reboot it now 16.48.02 # yeah it didn't work 16.48.16 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 16.48.29 # but good for you :) 16.50.36 # got to go 16.50.48 # happy rockboxing! 16.50.51 # ok! thanks a lot :) 16.58.47 Join kevku [0] (x@Gizka-1-pt.tunnel.tserv24.sto1.ipv6.he.net) 17.01.17 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@adsl-84-226-65-171.adslplus.ch) 17.01.43 # um... how do i get to mainmenu? I am stuck in wormlet 17.01.55 Part Zagor 17.02.49 # andai: The manual should have the key mapping for plugins 17.03.10 # andai: which exact apple processes did you kill? 17.03.28 # several people have been running into issues with that, because our instructions apparently aren't perfectly clear 17.03.51 # it would be nice if we could get feedback from someone for whom it actually worked what exactly he needed to do 17.04.17 Quit n1s (Read error: Connection timed out) 17.04.48 # most of us have never used itunes, so our instructions on that step are a bit vague 17.08.05 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.08.52 # TheSeven: I killed AppleMobileDeviceService.exe and iTunesHelper. AppleMobileDeviceService started again when I plugged my iPod in ( forgot to do that first ) so i killed it again 17.09.22 # nothing called "ipodservice" interfering with that? 17.10.09 # I thought for a second that I should go check if there's any apple services running, but I thought I'd just try what the guide said first, and it didn't mention that ( and it wasn't a problem apparently ) 17.17.40 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E429FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.22.00 # Hello Guys! 17.22.04 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 17.22.45 # Where I can read about difference between old theme format and new ones 17.23.30 # I have theme that worked fine in 3.9 but doesn't in 3.10 17.23.49 # 3.11, sorry 17.25.37 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 17.27.23 # <[Sinner]> Sundiver: um...apart from reading individual commits that touch skin related stuff in the source, there isn't such a thing really. 17.27.34 # Hey! Easy question! Where should I put my music? /music/ or /.rockbox/music ? 17.27.58 # <[Sinner]> But you can try running your theme in a simulator, and it should tell you what's wrong. 17.27.59 # anywhere you like, but it will be inconvenient to access it if you put it in .rockbox 17.28.03 # because that's a hidden folder 17.28.09 # Ahh thx 17.28.23 # also, the database doesn't scan in there. 17.28.33 # has the database format changed recently? 17.28.36 # sorry, theme format 17.29.01 # <[Sinner]> Not drastically so, no. 17.29.19 # <[Sinner]> I can't immediately think of a breaking change. 17.29.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.29.48 # <[Sinner]> But a sim will give debug output, and say what's wrong. 17.29.58 # <[Sinner]> Or at least give a clue. 17.33.01 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-175-223.student.uu.se) 17.33.14 Quit n1s (Changing host) 17.33.14 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.33.34 Join enth [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 17.34.12 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 17.34.13 Nick enth is now known as enthdegree (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 17.39.41 # But behavior changed, so it should be documented? 17.41.04 # The current behaviour us documented, every breaking change isn't as such but the changes will be noted in the commit messages and should be fairly easy to spot 17.41.08 # All my bitmaps stopped to work, it means battery indicator, progress bars 17.41.18 # s/us/is/ 17.41.22 # Ok, I see 17.41.32 # Thanks! 17.43.06 # <[Sinner]> I can think of one breaking change, actually...%x can't be used outside of a viewport anymore since a few weeks ago or so. 17.44.02 # <[Sinner]> That's all I can immediately think of, but like I said, download the simulator for your device and run the theme in there. 17.44.07 # A-ha. Thanks! 17.44.38 # Was that changed before 3.11? 17.45.28 # <[Sinner]> gevaerts: I'm not sure...my time may be off, its just the last breaking change I could think of. 17.46.09 Nick [Sinner] is now known as [Saint] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 17.48.55 # My theme works ok in simulator, bitmaps just don't reflect changes 18.02.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr) 18.02.22 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 18.02.22 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.02.33 Join anewuser_ [0] (~anewuser@190.207.222.122) 18.04.20 Quit anewuser (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.05.59 # omg, just had a look at how the zen x-fi3 send bluetooth commands over uart and it seems to use a text based protocol :-o 18.11.05 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Bye) 18.14.24 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 18.24.44 # Hello #rockbox. Today I installed Rockbox on my iPod Classic 160GB. So far I am very happy! I will be keeping track of my experiences and ideas :) 18.24.56 # * andai goes and plays with the audio settings 18.26.34 # finally another audio player that lets you adjust speed :D 18.27.31 # For when you're in a hurry? 18.30.46 # FOAD: When I got bored of my music i'd just set it to 80% or 120% speed, so it would sound like it was being played in a different key 18.30.51 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 18.31.06 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.31.52 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.32.17 # do i need to rescan all my files when i add new music? 18.32.25 # no 18.35.20 Quit Xerion (Quit: ) 18.36.38 Quit Bagder (Quit: connection reset by beer) 18.37.50 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@c-76-105-170-114.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 18.41.28 # nothing called "ipodservice" interfering with that? 18.41.35 # I had that one running, had to kill it 18.42.54 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 18.42.54 Quit Bagder (Changing host) 18.42.54 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 18.45.41 # n1s: I mean with the database, does that just detect filesystem changes 18.50.54 # andai: If you set automatic update or whatever it is called to on 18.51.22 Join c3sso [0] (~tux@77.117.246.236.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 18.51.29 # The manual would be really good for you to have a look at by the way. I don't know if there is one for the classic, but for everything but install the ipod video one should be close enough for most things 18.55.59 # that's what I use 18.57.14 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 18.57.55 # thanks, i'll take a look 19.06.50 # there seems to be a hardware limitation on how low the volume can go 19.07.41 # -60 = "no sound" icon = quiet but still audible 19.13.31 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.29.02 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@g231207103.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.29.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.31.37 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.38.38 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E429FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.40.23 Quit dhrasmus (Quit: Leaving) 19.56.51 # andai: do you want to listen to music that low though? :) 20.02.27 # Why not? 20.02.43 # because… you can barely hear anything? 20.04.00 # Many people like using the sleep timer in combination with an extremely low volume 20.07.41 # mmm-kay 20.13.10 # gevaerts: copper: I have ridiculously expensive ( = sensitive ) in-ear earphones and on most devices the volume doesn't really go low enough... i guess the simplest solution would just be to solder to resistors into the cable lol 20.13.18 # s/to/two 20.13.30 # that's an unusual problem! 20.13.41 # do you get channel imbalance at such low volumes? 20.13.49 # and i notice at night my hearing gets 10x more sensitive so i turn the volume down 20.14.00 # or there's less background noise to fight against 20.14.09 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host22-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.14.29 # copper: I don't think i've ever had that 20.15.34 # it's allegedly a problem with some lower quality equipment 20.15.46 # I was wondering if the iPod suffered from it 20.19.59 Part WalkGood 20.30.19 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 20.37.37 Quit c3sso (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.39.50 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120423122928]) 20.59.55 Join c3sso [0] (~tux@77.117.246.236.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 21.00.59 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 21.10.58 Nick n17ikh_ is now known as n17ikh (~peter@c-174-56-150-44.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) 21.18.29 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 21.22.14 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 21.22.29 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E429FE.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.25.56 Join domonoky1 [0] (~Domonoky@agsb-5d850829.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.28.23 Quit domonoky (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.29.13 # did someone decide that we don't need the "who brings which player(s) table" this time? 21.29.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.29.31 # on the DevCon page that is ;) 21.29.43 # I tend to doubt its usefulness :) 21.30.50 # alright, I was just asking. I don't mind much either way 21.37.28 # a more useful table to replace it with would be a "what beer we are bringing and which ones are wanted" 21.37.33 # and chocolate 21.41.52 Quit y4n (Quit: PANTS OFF!) 22.03.57 # andai: you can apply a precut (negative gain) with the EQ to lower the volume further 22.04.37 # i don't know if we could make the dac go lower, in some there are multiple gain settings that can be used 22.05.12 # I'm surprised it goes down to -60 dB 22.05.26 # the spec for the chip says "Analog Volume Control (+12 to -55 dB in 1 dB steps)" 22.05.51 # though it also says "Master Volume Control (+12 to -102 dB in 0.5 dB steps)" 22.06.00 # http://cirrus.com/en/products/cs42l55.html 22.06.04 # it probably has a digital gain too 22.06.37 # so by combining the two you can get a larger range (as i said above :)) 22.07.37 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 22.08.57 # its not digital gain, its the mixer gain 22.09.23 # theres basically two amps, one right after the DAC in the mixer, and another in the headphone amplifier 22.09.45 # the mixer one impacts everything, line out, headphone, ADC, while the headphone one is just for the headphone port 22.10.04 # usually you can stack them to get huge gain range, although who knows how well the system really works at extremely low voltages 22.10.27 # which one does rockbox control? 22.11.23 # copper: depends on which dac (driver) it is 22.11.56 # saratoga: i'm sure i've seen digital gain for some dac we have, might be the one in the beast (it has an eq too...) 22.12.50 # what would be the point of that? you can apply digital gain just by shifting your samples 22.12.54 # no need for hardware support 22.17.12 # wouldn't that increase / decrease volume by a full 6 dB? 22.18.06 # does that matter? 22.18.08 # saratoga: it claims to have "DAC digital Vol" which goes from -127dB to 0 in 0.5 steps but it's a bit unclear how it's done 22.18.34 # i assume that means digitally controlled volume, not that its taking your samples and then automatically shifting them for you 22.18.43 # at least i hope thats what its doing, the other way is kind of crappy 22.18.52 # -127dB on 16 bit audio is less then mute! 22.19.20 # Chuck Norris could still hear it 22.19.26 # (although i suppose they could do 60dB of analog control and 70dB of digital or something like that) 22.21.00 # the only device i've seen that I know does digital volume control is the ingenic chips, but they don't do it in the dac, they make the sound card driver implement it 22.24.57 # copper: from a quick glance it seems the driver for the cirrus dac in the classic is only adjusting hp volume so it's possible there's some other gain setting that caould mgive larger range 22.26.43 Quit Thra11 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.28.20 # hrm any usb guru in here ? 22.28.40 # if there are, I'm interested 22.28.50 # I have a question too 22.31.40 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@231.36.113.87.dyn.plus.net) 22.31.46 # Hum, another question: I'm charging my iPod over USB, the numeric battery indicator on my iPod reads 100, can I trust that the battery is fully charged? 22.31.50 # also, what does button_get_w_tmo do ? 22.33.40 # I read something about the battery indicator being some kind of a guess presently 22.34.23 # TheLemonMan: usb is a large area 22.36.38 # I have some issues with this ARC controller, the kernel sees it but cant read the descriptors 22.37.18 # hmm, there's a master volume setting in the cirrus but our driver uses that only for prescaling the volume for the tone controls 22.40.59 # is there a datasheet for it? 22.43.38 # 20:06:01 UTC http://cirrus.com/en/products/cs42l55.html 22.47.27 # that does look like it does digital volume in the mixer 22.49.06 # oh, its not actually meant for volume control, its meant to allow you to adjust the relative volume of channels before digital effects and mixing 22.49.09 # i guess that makes sense 23.00.11 # I just tried playing FLACs at 16 bit / 48 kHz, 24/44.1, 24/48, 24/88.2 and 24/96, all worked. Does rockbox do automatic sample rate conversion? 23.01.01 Quit perrikwp (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.04.14 # hum, I guess it does 23.04.27 # since the chip allegedly only supports up to 48 kHz 23.04.28 Join perrikwp [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 23.04.58 # copper: yeah rockbox resamples to 44.1kHz 23.04.59 # yes, everything is converted to 44.1khz 23.05.14 # even 48 kHz? 23.05.18 # to 44.1? 23.05.21 # yes 23.05.27 # ah 23.06.34 # and to 16 bit I assume? 23.07.53 # yeah samples are truncated or dithered to 16 bit 23.08.59 # do we use 16 bit on the classic? 23.10.04 # don't we always? 23.10.33 # ah yeah looks like it 23.10.48 # the dac supports 24 bit so i guess we could pass it 24 bit samples if it made a difference 23.10.55 # probably not worth it though 23.11.06 # it would only get you audiophile cred 23.12.51 # but I'm guessing audiophiles would still use external DACs 23.12.54 # some other dacs alos support 24 but i think that it makes i2s transfers take twice the time as 16 bit samples can be packed or something so the cost is not insignificant while the gain is questionable 23.15.03 # i guess that depends on limitations in the hardware 23.15.32 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.16.46 Join andai1 [0] (~andai@53548D47.cm-6-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 23.20.02 Quit andai (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.26.16 Join MarcAndersen [0] (~no_znepna@77.215.137.242) 23.27.00 # hmm, at some point i'll re-download my music in a lossless format and convert to musepack 23.28.18 Part MarcAndersen 23.29.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.30.10 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 23.31.54 # andai1: rip your CDs in the mean time? 23.37.56 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.42.16 # copper: Although our resampler isn't very good 23.43.25 # AlexP: it would be nice to at least feed the DAC what it supports, i.e. 48 kHz 23.44.00 # don't pretty much all chips support both 44.1 and 48 kHz? 23.44.11 # I don't know the details, but IIUC that would require rewriting large parts that assume 44.1 23.44.14 # But yeah 23.44.21 # copper: now implement crossfade on that system :) 23.44.32 # gevaerts: is that a problem? 23.44.46 # rhetorical question 23.44.48 # Crossfading two tracks with different sample rates? 23.44.53 # ah 23.44.56 # yeah ok 23.45.47 # didn't think of that 23.48.17 # I guess 48 kHz would be useful for some music DVD rips 23.48.25 # DVD-Video not DVD-Audio 23.48.47 # we talked about this recently 23.48.55 # You're better off resampling on your PC atm 23.49.01 # and I guess you could refrain from crossfading when two consecutive tracks don't have matching sampling rates 23.49.03 # the conclusion was that it wasn't worthwhile to allow multiple sampling rates 23.49.20 # although it might make sense to have the choice of which sampling rate everything gets converted to be up to the user 23.49.54 # saratoga: There was also talk of resampling recently wasn't there? Anything come of that? 23.49.57 # although i imagine that might do some harm when people look at it and say "durrr higher is better" 23.50.09 # well i want to work on it, but have no time at the moment :) 23.50.17 # heh, OK :) 23.53.53 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p54946639.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.53.54 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 23.53.54 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 23.55.54 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.56.12 Quit anewuser_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23.58.15 Quit perrikwp (Read error: Connection reset by peer)