--- Log for 21.05.112 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 5 hours ago 00.03.32 Quit Elfish (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.05.31 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 00.08.03 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@119.225.209.134) 00.08.04 Part rocktriangle 00.08.07 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2a01:4f8:100:90a1:abc:abc:abc:abc) 00.14.07 Quit Thra11 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.18.57 Quit Guest42185 (Quit: Blarglarg) 00.27.55 Quit bertrik (Quit: And That, My Liege, Is How We Know the Earth to Be Banana Shaped) 00.30.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.45.43 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120516113045]) 00.45.49 Part domonoky 01.11.05 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.222.122) 01.11.06 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 01.11.06 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 01.50.13 Join anewuser_ [0] (~anewuser@190.207.222.122) 01.52.13 Quit anewuser (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02.05.58 Quit CaptainKewl 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(~androirc@pool-173-79-228-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 07.51.03 # Dots anybody know what the file browser hotkey is mapped to on the fuze plus? 07.51.54 # The manual says "tbd" sooooo I'm going it's out of date and it's already mapped. 07.52.30 # Does* sooooo 08.04.46 Quit afruff23 (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) 08.28.12 # Commit 0ebfb93 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Fix some lockup caused by handles not being initialized to < 0... 08.30.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.34.32 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.35.35 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 08.35.35 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.35.35 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.41.32 # 0ebfb93 build result: All green 09.00.30 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.18.34 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.18.54 Join ks [0] (~ks@aqu33-5-82-245-97-150.fbx.proxad.net) 09.20.23 # <[Saint]> the keymap does seem o be nonobvious, but, its hardly hidden either. 09.20.26 # <[Saint]> *to be 09.20.53 # <[Saint]> It appears to be BUTTON_BOTTOMRIGHT, which, unless I'm mistaken, will be part of the touchpad? 09.21.03 # <[Saint]> Oh...crap, he left. 09.21.05 # <[Saint]> meh. 09.23.34 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.23.37 Quit rasher (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.42.53 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.42.58 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 09.43.47 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 10.01.44 # Zagor: did something happen to http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/build-info? 10.02.34 # oops, yes. fixing... 10.03.42 # fixed 10.05.02 # Thanks 10.06.10 # bluebrother: http://download.rockbox.org/build-info is now available and can be used as the sole file for rbutil 10.10.11 Quit Zambezi (Changing host) 10.10.11 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@unaffiliated/zambezi) 10.30.00 Join pystar90 [0] 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16.31.44 # s/use/know how to use 16.33.33 Part WalkGood 16.40.05 # cd7a478 build result: All green 16.41.18 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 16.47.00 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 16.47.47 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit) 16.48.07 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 16.48.11 # apps/plugins/pacbox/z80.c is a monster! 16.48.48 # <[Saint]> Rawr? 16.49.17 # it takes >7 seconds to compile on my 3GHz corei3 16.49.56 Quit mortalis (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.50.02 # <[Saint]> ...wow. 16.50.12 # it single-handedly adds a *lot* of time to the builds 16.50.33 # it has about one million tiny globaly visible functions 16.52.31 # I didn't know pacbox was a full z80 emulator :-) 16.54.52 # iirc we have at least a couple z80 emulators... 16.57.21 # ah no, seems to be only two, zxbox and pacbox 16.58.14 Join enth [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 16.59.26 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.59.27 Nick enth is now known as enthdegree (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 17.17.46 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 17.18.56 Join anewuser_ [0] (~anewuser@190.207.222.122) 17.20.37 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17.22.17 Quit anewuser (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17.22.38 Quit petur (Quit: Bye) 17.22.58 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.24.00 Quit petur (Client Quit) 17.27.42 # n1s: rockboy is a sorta-z80 emulator also 17.27.50 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.28.19 # (gameboy cpu is based on z80, minus some bits, plus other bits) 17.31.39 Quit petur (Client Quit) 17.32.04 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.33.24 Quit petur (Client Quit) 17.33.53 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.34.39 Quit petur (Client Quit) 17.35.03 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.40.17 # Torne: that's probably what i was remembering but from a quick google i just saw that it didn't have a z80 17.43.49 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr) 17.43.49 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 17.43.49 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.43.55 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.49.02 Quit nosa-j (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.49.29 # n1s: it's not actually a z80, no; but it's instruction-set compatible except for the bits it's missing (the implemented bits are the same) 17.49.32 # i.e. it's a bad clone 17.49.44 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@adsl-74-235-79-177.clt.bellsouth.net) 17.49.51 # heh, ok 17.50.31 # so for the purpose of complaining about compile times it should be similar to a z80 emu :) 17.57.33 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 17.57.36 Quit petur (Quit: Bye) 18.13.16 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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At the least you'll get store credit. 20.17.00 # <[Saint]> Then get a 16GB one, and 20.17.11 # heh 20.17.21 # isn't nano like hm.. 5 years older than color? 20.17.50 # <[Saint]> I can't speak for the mini, but, as I said a 64GB CF "just works" in might iPod Color 20.17.54 # if i go to a real walk-in store i can return the crap for cash 20.18.26 # <[Saint]> Why did you say Nano? 20.18.36 # err 20.18.39 # mini of course 20.18.57 # the installer identified it as 1st gen mini anyway 20.19.14 # looks the same as the silver one i had last summer or something like that 20.19.22 # except that this time it is in some gay pale blue 20.19.24 # <[Saint]> The Color/4G is from ~2006 or so, I think. 20.19.54 Join saratoga [0] (98032909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.41.9) 20.20.04 # i have no idea how old this thing is. second time i'm touching an ipod in my life >_> 20.20.14 # 2004 i think 20.20.29 # <[Saint]> It's largely irrelevant tthough I believe, I don't think it cares at all about the capacity. 20.20.30 # but i vaguely remember the commercials for the mini which would put it ... yeah 2004 or older 20.20.36 # are we doing a 3.11.3 release ? 20.20.45 # i haven't had a TV for the better part of a decade now 20.21.21 # [Saint]: yeah well intuitively i'd agree. but it still was never designed for more than 4GB so there could be awkward issues 20.22.28 # <[Saint]> The OF might care, but, Rockbox shouldn't give a flying fudge. 20.22.35 # "just trusting" that things work for stuff they were never designed to do is a dangerous game 20.22.53 # (and since the invention of china, trusting that stuff works for things that it /was/ designed to do is just as dangerous) 20.23.01 # <[Saint]> Yeah, just make sure you keep your receipt(s) :) 20.23.57 Quit n1s (Read error: Connection timed out) 20.24.02 # neat. 16GB is only 30EUR 20.24.35 # 32 doesn't start under 53 at conrad... 16G is tempting too 20.25.10 # <[Saint]> I was a lucky bugger when it came to my 64GB CF. It was already in the iPod when I purchased it. 20.25.20 # lol 20.25.25 # <[Saint]> And I only paid $80 for the Color, too. 20.25.32 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.25.42 # 64G CF costs 200 eurobucks >_< 20.25.44 # <[Saint]> Less than a quarter of the CF alone. 20.25.53 # no poop 20.25.59 # <[Saint]> That was a good day. 20.26.19 # wtf sandisk 64GB extreme blah blah 499.95EUR 20.26.30 # how much shit do you have to smoke to buy that 20.26.52 # <[Saint]> Digital camera enthusiasts. 20.26.57 # ... 20.27.12 # digicamophilia 20.28.09 # the only thing extreme about that card is the price tag 20.28.21 # but... hardcore, dude. thats one expensive bdsm club 20.28.47 # <[Saint]> There's really no need to buy a super-backflip CF, even the slowest one should be able to supply the mostly insanely encoded audiophile-suited forecast. 20.29.09 # <[Saint]> Damn autocomplete! *codecs is a word! 20.30.08 # no shit 20.30.20 # the 8G card i used for the last mod was the cheapest thing i found on ebay 20.30.29 # <[Saint]> Errr, correction. There is a need, but, that need isn't relevant for DAPs :) 20.30.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.31.42 # well, some people "need" 3000EUR SSDs with 16x PCI-E interface too 20.32.20 # the far more interesting question is how many need it because they're into stiff hpc stuff 20.32.25 # <[Saint]> Well, yes, but not just to play FLAC with. :) 20.32.30 # and how many need it because something isn't quite as stiff 20.32.53 # [Saint]: right. they should at least play Counter Strike with it. 20.32.57 # * amee2k nods vigorously 20.33.04 Quit XavierGr (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.35.40 # hrm 20.35.50 # rb doesn't by chance have some kind of hdd test tool, eh? 20.36.04 # i'm suspecting the shitty microdrive in that ipod is screwed up anyway 20.37.34 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 20.40.16 # <[Saint]> No, although it *could* be done...its better suited to be done from a PC 20.41.19 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 20.41.37 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.41.57 # <[Saint]> There's been some talk for years about implementing some form of plugin to return S.M.A.R.T data, but no one has actually got around to doing so. 20.43.00 Part LinusN 20.44.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.54.00 # o.O 20.54.41 # yeah well USB is a dick move for storage anyway, even if there was a hdd test tool for external drives i wouldn't trust it 20.55.30 # [Saint]: i was thinking more like a real read/read+write test. not just the smart shit 20.56.13 # i've had drives with clear signs of failure (freeze-ups, scrambled sectors, clicking, you name it) vigorously insist that they are fully functional according to SMART 20.56.51 # <[Saint]> Oh, yes, we do have a read/write test I believe...but none of the test plugins are compiled by default. 20.57.01 # o.O 20.57.04 # <[Saint]> You'll need to compile your own build for that. 20.57.20 # just something that stresses the drive and is written in a way that *expects* failure, i.e. doesn't just freeze up when something goes wrong 20.57.46 # hmm okay 20.58.07 # i'll see if i can give that a shot tomorrow 20.58.12 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 20.58.39 # my schedule is pretty plastered lately... next weekend has a lot of useless holidays so this week and next effectively only have 4 days for me 21.00.07 # <[Saint]> We have "ready-to-rock'n'roll" vmware images up on the wiki. 21.00.55 # how about virtualbox? 21.01.06 # :) 21.01.52 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure, I know there's vmware image(s?) available, but that's all. 21.01.53 Quit enthdegree (Client Quit) 21.02.10 # <[Saint]> You could make one, and put it on the wiki for us ;) 21.02.10 # i used to use vmware back in my windows days 21.02.26 # but cbf to mess with cracks and keygens and stuff anymore 21.02.40 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 21.03.03 # what does the image do anyway? do i dd that on the ipod or something? 21.03.07 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh...if you're already using a Linux distro, then all is well. There's a pain free "set up your dev environment" page up on the wiki. 21.03.22 # neat 21.03.36 # thats more like it 21.05.13 # <[Saint]> Setup pretty much consists of "checkout sources, run one script", then building for any given target is approximately 5 commands the first time, and 1 or 2 for subsequent builds of the same target. 21.06.09 # im gonna try it tomorrow... got to finish homework for two more classes to finish tonight 21.06.56 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling 21.07.04 # <[Saint]> There 'ya go. 21.07.26 # <[Saint]> Ohhh...actually. Hmmm. 21.07.41 # you want to do my homework for statistics and database theory? ;) 21.07.58 # <[Saint]> Ah, nevermind. It has been updated to point to git. 21.08.28 # <[Saint]> Yeah, the above link will guide you through it. 21.10.16 # [Saint]: the problem with SMART is not that nobody got around to doing it, it's that SMART attributes are non-standard and a mess 21.11.16 # <[Saint]> There is a set of "standard" SMART attributes though, no? Its just some that do their own weird shit I thought. 21.11.50 # Also, I'm not convinced that test_dusk is the right tool to use. It will show driver and controller issues, but it doesn't do a test of the entire disk 21.11.56 # i think so. there is at least a health indicator that just gives a good/bad result that seems to be fairly standard 21.12.08 # the problem i have with smart isn't the interface 21.12.16 # it is that the returned values are simply unreliable 21.12.27 # most annoyingly it gives false-good results 21.13.10 # <[Saint]> With a good/bad result, you may as well flip a coin. :) 21.13.31 # lol 21.13.47 # i'd rather put it in my test box and dd over the drive 21.13.54 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: test_disk shows read/write though, no? That's all that is wanted here. 21.13.55 # if the box crashes, the drive is screwed up 21.14.11 # call the manufacturer, lie about that you ran their shitty test too and ask for an RMA number 21.15.17 # [Saint]: it does, but only a few hundred KB IIRC 21.15.25 # Or maybe a few megabytes 21.15.50 # So sure, if that's enough, go for it, but if you don't believe a drive is good I'd say it's not good enough as a test 21.16.16 Join nosa [0] (~m00k@adsl-74-235-79-247.clt.bellsouth.net) 21.16.58 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.16.58 Nick nosa is now known as nosa-j (~m00k@adsl-74-235-79-247.clt.bellsouth.net) 21.17.16 # we could change testdisk to perform a whole disk read/write test 21.17.25 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host246-108-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.17.44 # <[Saint]> Optionally, one would hope. 21.18.38 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@130.243.175.223) 21.18.38 Quit n1s (Changing host) 21.18.38 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 21.18.46 # kugel: hey! I know time is limited,but ... any chance to do something with the package I sent you? :) 21.19.20 # <[Saint]> It could probably be set up to offer: fast read, fast write, fast read/write, full read, full write, and full read/write with ease. 21.19.54 # <[Saint]> Where "fast *" just does a few MB or so. 21.20.52 # <[Saint]> How useful it is would be subjective, but, I'm pretty sure even I could hack that up. 21.20.55 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.21.21 # funman: i have a testdisk patch around somewhere that does that, i think 21.21.35 # [Saint]: i would look at badblocks program 21.21.44 # Yeah, i have a patch that does sector reads/writes at various offsets 21.21.53 # [Saint]: it does a lot more than this "fast read, fast write, fast read/write" now :) 21.22.14 # i do also have a patch that does SMART, but still not very well 21.22.19 # * gevaerts thinks that if we get a full disk r/w test program, it may be better to do a different plugin 21.22.23 # the sector writes is hilariously dangerous 21.22.31 # since it's, yaknow, destructive. 21.22.38 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: oh, I know...but I couldn't be bothered listing *everything* :) 21.22.39 # i was using it to benchmark ATA DMA 21.22.46 # so i didn't care that it was overwriting random bits of the disk :p 21.23.19 # Commit 545f417 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: voice_thread_init was left INIT_ATTR but is being called too late. 21.23.48 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.23.58 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 21.24.32 # <[Saint]> Torne: are those patches up on gerrit? #lazy 21.24.39 # no, they are not useful 21.24.46 # the test_disk patch is incredibly incredibly dangerous, also 21.24.47 Quit [Saint] (Client Quit) 21.25.10 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 21.25.11 # the SMART patch only checks the "broken" flag on the drive, and doesn't do anything particularly useful with it; the attributes are there but there's nothing to look at them with 21.25.23 # and the tes_disk patch is not really general; it's written to do specific benchmarking of sector accesses 21.25.34 # but, if someone really wants to do something it might be useful :) 21.25.58 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 21.26.00 # <[Saint]> At the least it might be a good starting point. 21.26.08 # i'll actually finish the smart patch at some point 21.26.12 # i doubt the other one is worth it 21.26.32 # <[Saint]> Yeah, that was the one I was interested in personally. 21.26.37 # the main thing you need to do any kind of low-level benchmarking or disk reads/writes is for storage_read_sectors and storage_write_sectors to be added to the plugin api :) 21.27.09 # [Saint]: well, i have no idea if it even works, is the problem 21.27.21 # I cannot find, anywhere, a disk that's actually failed according to smart to test it on :p 21.27.26 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120423122928]) 21.27.46 # i have some pretty broken-ass disks with terrible attribute values that obviously mean it's failed, but the "ok" response is still ok 21.27.52 # because it's not quite broken enough :) 21.28.03 # <[Saint]> Torne: I have plenty enough disks around here to make that happen :) 21.28.06 # i think one ofthem is, like, 94% to the broken threshold :p 21.28.13 # It's really tricky to *make* it happen 21.28.22 # 545f417 build result: All green 21.28.23 # the disk still has to identify and work :p 21.28.39 # <[Saint]> It is? I rather thought scribbling across the platter with a screwdriver would do it. 21.28.54 # If you open it and do that then *probably* it won't work at all any more 21.29.04 # modern disks' firmware is basically stored on the disk 21.29.06 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm. 21.29.24 # <[Saint]> Well, these are by no means modern disks :) 21.29.31 # by modern i mean, say, IDE 21.29.38 # <[Saint]> I have some that are around 15 years old. 21.29.44 # As opposed to MFM/RLL :p 21.30.03 # 15 years old probably doesn't implement SMART, instead 21.30.07 # :) 21.30.18 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host246-108-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.30.22 # <[Saint]> I was *just* thinking that... ;) 21.32.19 # <[Saint]> How do they make sure SMART works in the first place? If I look hard enough, I wager I may be able to find some form of tool that emulates a drive which is fucked in various configurable ways. 21.32.45 # it's probably not important 21.32.49 # hmmm 21.32.53 # the failed bit is kinda useless anyway 21.33.03 # its' jsut the easy bit to implement. 21.33.11 # You can do an IDE controller on a breadboard with switches, does the same thing go for a drive? 21.33.31 # If so, you can build a broken drive on an arduino :) 21.33.42 # (or seven arduinos) 21.34.34 # <[Saint]> Without actually looking, I'm sure there must be smell form of "emulate a disk which is broken in various configurable ways" tool out there. 21.34.46 # [Saint]: when you say "tool" i hope you mean "physical thing" 21.34.52 # anyway, there really isn't any point testing it that way 21.34.58 # <[Saint]> smell form? Errr, *some form 21.35.13 # because all it'll be doing is that testing that the code i expect to work works when used against a device that behaves how i expect 21.35.22 # which should be true, the code is not very complicated 21.40.30 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 21.54.34 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120423122928]) 22.05.36 Join enth [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 22.08.55 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.08.55 Nick enth is now known as enthdegree (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 22.17.37 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 22.18.55 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.19.44 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22.26.35 Join enthdegree [0] (~enthdegre@wikimedia/enthdegree) 22.29.27 # ok, so as far as I understand english.lang will always have sorted and zero-based indexes. 22.30.06 # so by retrieving the indices from any .lng file I should be able to sort the strings in the correct order for passing them to voicefont. 22.30.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.31.22 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Does anybody here remembers of Vera Lynn ?) 22.31.56 # what happens when creating a voice file for some language where not all voice strings have translations? Will the english strings be used? 22.31.58 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 22.33.14 Join petur [0] (~petur@78-21-33-246.access.telenet.be) 22.33.25 Quit petur (Changing host) 22.33.25 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.33.28 # or will those strings not be voiced at all? 22.34.15 # They won't be voiced at all 22.34.34 # ok, so I can ignore that case. Nice, makes things easier :) 22.34.49 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p54947CA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.34.49 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 22.34.49 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 22.36.27 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 22.54.26 # amiconn: does 545f417 solve anything for you? 22.57.00 # Didn't test yet 23.05.21 # builing... 23.07.36 Quit enthdegree (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.08.29 # hmm 23.09.10 # if the USB storage device randomly "hickups" while copying files to it, is that indicative of a bad hard drive? 23.09.31 # (still ipod mini, and by hickup i mean suddenly disappear and come right back after a few seconds) 23.10.33 # No 23.11.15 # it may be, but there are some (rare) cases where some USB hubs or ports trigger issues with our USB driver 23.14.32 # Commit 29cfd29 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Stop timestretch freezing things during format changes. 23.18.15 # * jhMikeS notices you have to keep holding a button for awhile for charge-only USB mode or it might still go into mass-storage mode 23.20.02 # ay, slow builds 23.20.10 # 29cfd29 build result: All green 23.26.36 # jhMikeS: was that directed at me? 23.26.49 # what was? 23.27.25 # the thing about USB 23.27.37 # and storage 23.27.41 # no, just an observation of something a bit buggy 23.27.47 # just wondering since my Q was mildly storage related 23.34.36 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 23.34.37 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23.37.22 Quit Torne (Quit: Lost terminal) 23.39.19 Join Torne [0] (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 23.40.23 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 23.42.50 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@e179037097.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.45.07 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23.45.15 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@e179037097.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.45.54 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.48.24 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)