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01.57.14 #       <[Saint]> Ok, guys and gal(s): I need a ttf font with as much character support as possible (similar to GNU Unifont 16), that looks nice, and is compatible with our licensing.
01.57.20 #       <[Saint]> Any suggestions?
01.58.04 #       <[Saint]> The font I am using currently has terrible support for right-to-left languages.
01.58.17 #       <[Saint]> (Ubuntu.ttf)
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02.13.45 #       <funman> [Saint]: what's wrong with Unifont ?
02.18.04 #       <[Saint]> not big enough, and not antialiased.
02.19.40 #       <[Saint]> I need to make quite a few sized fonts from the same source, ranging from 10px to 48px in height.
02.20.39 #       <[Saint]> At the moment I'm using Ubuntu[light, regular, and bold].ttf, but it has very bad support for RTL languages
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03.04.17 #       <saratoga> can someone with a git checkout handy change the "old releases" link here:  http://www.rockbox.org/download/
03.04.29 #       <saratoga> to point to here:  http://download.rockbox.org/release/
03.04.45 #       <saratoga> or i guess just zagor since he'll probably have to do it in the end anyway
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08.49.06 #       <kugel> [Saint]: how bad is it?
08.49.49 #       <kugel> should probably find a font that we can also produce a good looking non-anti aliased version of, so we can change it for all cabbies
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09.33.23 #       <[Saint]> kugel: tests with hebrew in particular are absolutely terrible.If you didn't know the menu layout and applied this language, you would have to edit your .cfg by hand or so to get out of it.
09.34.10 #       <kugel> i would have to do this anyway as I don't understand the language
09.34.24 #       <[Saint]> SO, yeah...I need a font with wide character support, which also looks nice, that I can build new fonts out of.
09.35.34 #       <[Saint]> Hum...perhaps I could use Robotto
09.37.25 #       <[Saint]> Apache 2.0 fits with Rockbox's licensing, does it not?
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09.37.50 #       <kugel> so you're saying the font looks so terrible that not even a hebrew speaking person could decipher it?
09.38.16 #       <[Saint]> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
09.39.24 #       <kugel> I don't think I could estimate this, I know nothing about this language
09.39.36 #       <kugel> apache 2.0 is fine indeed
09.40.01 #       <[Saint]> Rockbox is GPL 2 /or higher/, yes? So Apache 2.0 "just works"?
09.40.22 #       <kugel> yes
09.43.52 #       <[Saint]> Ahhhhhh...dammit :-S
09.44.19 #       <[Saint]> looks like the fonts are split up by languagae (I forgot this), so, I can't use Robotto
09.45.19 #       <[Saint]> It would be nice if there was a better way to apply a font conditionally (other than duplicating text viewports).
09.50.28 #       <[Saint]> the requirement "and be free" also makes this very difficult.
09.50.34 #       <[Saint]> FOnts are damn expensive.
09.53.12 #       <kugel> can you post a screenshot of hebrew in rtl?
09.53.34 #       <kugel> robotto is also bad for rtl?
09.57.54 #       <[Saint]> Not at the moment, and I haven't tried but probably, yes, else my assumption would be that there wouldn't be a need to include a Hebrew font specifically if it did.
09.59.05 #       <[Saint]> I think the "best" solution is for me to use GNU Unifont, which I have recently discovered has a .ttf version.
10.07.56 #       <[Saint]> when funman suggested earlier to use GNU Unifont, it completely didn't occur to me that he wasn't talking about the one we already have in the font pack.
10.10.03 #       <[Saint]> I'll get to work on that at some stage soon, even if I don't end up using it in my theme creating a set of GNU Unifont fonts both antialiased and not, in sizes ranging from 10~60px in 2px increments for the fontpack.
10.10.25 #       <[Saint]> +would be a good thing.
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11.37.54 #       <rarog> pamaury: Hey, can it be. that compilation of mkimxboot is broken? At least with cygwin I get an error "cc: directory-120605": No such file or directory", I think it has to do with IMXTOOLS_DIR not correctly parsed.
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13.43.48 #       <bertrik> good thing we "fixed" the no-alloc panic happening on some clip+ and clipzips
13.44.39 #       <pamaury> rarog: I'll have a look but I don't have cygwin
13.45.11 #       <pamaury> what is wrong with IMXTOOLS_DIR ?
13.45.49 #       <bertrik> we recently moved the sbtools, maybe the IMXTOOLS_DIR is not up-to-date anymore?
13.46.12 #       <pamaury> I think I fixed it at the same time though
13.47.12 #       <pamaury> IMXTOOLS_DIR=../../utils/imxtools/sbtools/
13.49.46 #       <bertrik> works for me on linux :)
13.53.00 #       <bertrik> We only accept patches from people with their full name specified, right?
14.00.29 #       <JdGordon> bertrik: its not fixed?
14.01.21 #       <bertrik> JdGordon, we just disabled voice during database commit, because voice and tagcache were fighting to both take the entire buffer
14.03.00 #       <gevaerts> Hmm
14.03.23 #       <gevaerts> We should check if docs/CREDITS is up to date. I have a feeling it has been neglected since we moved to git
14.05.53 #       <bertrik> JdGordon, I think jhMikeS expressed the wish to further separate various buffers by using buflib, like the voice buffer from the audio buffer
14.06.13 #       <JdGordon> ok
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14.18.50 #       <CIA-4> Commit 299ce22 in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: (Author: Eduardo Gonzalez) FS#12689 - Missing strings for Español (Spanish) translation
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14.20.38 #       <bertrik> Anyone here with a samsun yh-820?
14.21.59 #       <CIA-4> 299ce22 build result: All green
14.29.11 #       <bertrik> gevaerts, can FS#12645 be closed now?
14.29.12 #       <fs-bluebot> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12645 3Olympus Mr-100: No sound with 3.11.2 (bugs, unconfirmed)
14.29.40 #       <gevaerts> bertrik: I'd like to keep that open for 3.11
14.29.46 #       <bertrik> ok
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14.54.16 #       <rarog> ok, I'm trying to rebuild the cross compiler under cygwin and see if now with changed dependencies it will work. I re-installed several new cygwin packages which disappeared in the meantime.
14.56.11 #       <RFroehning> JdGordon, regarding the sleeptimer you suggested using INT_SETTING_W_CFGVALS with a proper formatter... if I got it right it should have 3 values then 0,1,2 for off, continue, start?
14.57.20 #       <RFroehning> but it think it should be sufficient if it has off and (continue or start), depending on the current status
14.57.48 #       <RFroehning> soap, when switched off, it would start the timer from its preset value
15.00.48 #       <RFroehning> one thing more: i don?t get a grip of the flag setting.... F_TEMPVAR - what should it imply? not being saved?
15.01.03 #       <RFroehning> can someone help me out here? 
15.02.05 #       <RFroehning> I am referring to: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/220/
15.16.12 #       <JdGordon> RFroehning: with TEMPVAR it might be ok to not have a seperate continue/start setting, not 100% sure
15.16.52 #       <JdGordon> I'm getting married on sunday so realy for the next fortnight or so im not going to be around at all :)
15.17.15 #       <JdGordon> otherwise i'd have a play
15.22.59 #       <JdGordon> and yes, TEMPVAR means that the setting wont actually change (and also the callback called) untill the user actually leaves the option screen accepting the new value
15.23.31 #       <JdGordon> so if oyu only have "stop" and "continue/start" you have no way of restarting the timer
15.23.59 #       <JdGordon> or they need to undertsand to click << (cancel) to not restart it
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16.31.30 #       <amee2k> hmm anyone remember that website with ipod mini partition tables for nonstandard sizes?
16.31.50 #       <amee2k> i used it when i did that 8GB mod last year but i can't find it again
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17.38.52 #       <amee2k> where exactly does the rockbox utility store its settings??
17.39.51 #       <copper> amee2k: ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini on Linux
17.40.00 #       <amee2k> good
17.42.48 #       <amee2k> hmm after rockboxing an ipod, can i delete everything except the .rockbox directory on it?
17.44.02 #       <copper> you can
17.44.07 #       <amee2k> good \o/
17.46.15 #       <[Saint_]> there's no real need to, though.
17.46.51 #       <[Saint_]> The space recovered is very little, and it will just be recreated if you ever boot the OF.
17.47.28 #       <[Saint_]> you're better off (IMO) just setting these files as hidden, then they won't show up in the "supported" view of the Rockbox filebrowser.
17.47.43 #       <copper> what files are we talking about, actually?
17.48.06 #       <copper> never mind
17.48.06 #       <[Saint_]> That filles me with confidence...
17.48.43 #       <[Saint_]> "can I delete these?; "yes"; "great"; "...wait, delete what?" ...lol
17.48.46 #       <copper> I have an iPod Classic so I didn't have a choice in the matter
17.48.54 #       <copper> well, was I wrong? lol
17.49.12 #       <[Saint_]> No, you were lucky ;)
17.51.34 #       <copper> not really, I knew only .rockbox is needed
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17.52.27 #       <copper> I didn't think of dual booting since I don't have that option though
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17.55.40 #       <copper> [Saint_]: I bet you're picturing me randomly deleting system files on my computer because they take up too much space and I never use them anyway ;)
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18.11.47 #       <amee2k> [Saint_]: no real loss there. i installed rb because the apple firmware is kinda useless if you don't have itunes
18.12.04 #       <amee2k> so i don't ever expect to use the original firmware again
18.12.26 #       <amee2k> i reallly wanted to delete them because they clobber the file system view
18.12.34 #       <copper> mazel tov!
18.12.49 #       <amee2k> on the computer i mean, not in the rb viewer
18.12.56 #       <[Saint_]> amee2k: Yes, but, my point is that if you boot the OF even once, be it on purpose or not, the files you delete will be recreated.
18.13.03 #       <[Saint_]> So, IMO, its best to just hide them.
18.13.46 #       <[Saint_]> They won't show in the filebrowser if the hidden attribute is set, and the filebrowser is set to display "supported" file types.
18.14.04 #       <amee2k> or delete them again :)
18.14.16 #       <amee2k> is there a way to make the boot loader only ever boot the RB side?
18.14.20 #       <copper> [Saint_]: how do you hide files under linux without renaming them?
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18.15.34 #       <[Saint_]> amee2k: depends how invested you're prepared to get into doing so.
18.15.55 #       <[Saint_]> there's certainly no "just edit <file> on the player and its magically done" way.
18.16.17 #       <amee2k> would flipping a bit with a hex editor cut it? :)
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18.16.26 #       <[Saint_]> It would involve you setting up your own development environment and recompiling from source.
18.16.43 #       <amee2k> lol
18.19.01 #       <amee2k> mmh, for some fucked up reason my computer's audio randomly screws up lately
18.19.11 #       <amee2k> but only if i have the modded ipod connected to it :/
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18.22.44 #       <amee2k> sometimes it happens every view minutes, sometimes it works fine for hours
18.23.07 #       <amee2k> the volume settings get completely screwed up and i have to open the software mixer to get it back the way i had it
18.24.35 #       <amee2k> it definitely started *after* i got the ipod... can't remember ever observing that before
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18.32.00 #       <amee2k> is there a way to make it keep playing if i plug in the USB cable?
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18.39.06 #       <hillshum> Usually you can hold down a button when you plug it in. Go read the manual
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18.40.12 #       <amee2k> what manual :P
18.40.18 #       <amee2k> i got it from the trash
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18.41.47 #       <hillshum> http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
18.42.53 #       <amee2k> oh, i thought you mean the manual for the device
18.43.36 #       <amee2k> since you said "usually" :P
18.44.46 #       <hillshum> That's because I'm not familiar with every device RB runs on.
18.45.04 #       <amee2k> isn't rb supposed to be the same on all of them? o.O
18.45.22 #       <AlexP> Within practicalities and hardware
18.45.34 #       <AlexP> And whether something has been implemented yet
18.45.42 #       <hillshum> Also, the audio issue might be because the iPod is connecting as a HID device which is capable of controlling sound playback (volume, pause/resume...)
18.45.51 #       <hillshum> The buttons are all different...
18.46.46 #       <amee2k> o.O
18.46.57 #       <amee2k> how do i fix that?
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18.50.09 #       <hillshum> It shouldn't do anything unless you are messing with the buttons on the iPod
18.50.51 #       <amee2k> well, the buttons being touch buttons handling it without accidentially touching the buttons
18.51.04 #       <amee2k> i'm 24, not 14. i'm used to buttons being... buttons! >_<
18.52.13 #       <copper> you must hate smartphones
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18.52.25 #       <amee2k> i don't have a smartphone :P
18.52.46 #       <copper> my mother can't hold my smartphone without putting her fingers all over the touch screen :-/
18.53.10 #       <copper> how hard is it to hold it by the edges?
18.53.20 #       <amee2k> if i had one, i'd probably be used to devices doing funny things when you rub them the wrong way
18.53.29 #       <amee2k> and i wouldn't be having the problem :P
18.54.45 #       <copper> simply touching the click-wheel on an iPod shouldn't do anything aside from changing volume, but that doesn't work when the iPod is plugged in
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18.55.10 #       <copper> as far as I can tell, it does nothing when plugged in
18.55.23 #       <amee2k> no, when i touch it while plugged in, it tries to change the computer's volume
18.55.47 #       <amee2k> the problem is either i can't figure out how it works or something is broken
18.56.09 #       <amee2k> at the slightest touch the volumes jump randomly between 0 and 100% and muted
18.56.26 #       <amee2k> not even scrolling in the menu is this sensitive
18.56.34 #       <copper> what's your iPod?
18.56.58 #       <amee2k> ipod?
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18.57.04 #       <copper> what model/generation
18.57.07 #       <amee2k> oh
18.57.07 #       <amee2k> err
18.57.10 #       <amee2k> mini
18.57.12 #       <amee2k> 1G
18.57.19 #       <amee2k> at least thats what the RB installer said it is
18.57.53 #       <amee2k> it had a dead 4GB microdrive in it anyway
18.58.22 #       <amee2k> let me guess, to fix that USB issue i need to set up a dev env and recompile?  :P
18.58.31 #       <copper> http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodmini1g/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1440008.5.7
18.59.55 #       <amee2k> yeah well, that doesn't seem to work as expected then :P
19.00.15 #       <amee2k> select is the nipple in the center?
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19.00.52 #       <copper> yes
19.01.28 #       <amee2k> then select does nothing, and scrolling back and forth is *extremely* sensitive and only jumps between 0% and 100%
19.02.13 #       <copper> well, have you disabled USB HID/keypad mode with the iPod unplugged?
19.02.26 #       <amee2k> no
19.02.34 #       <amee2k> i asked earlier how to do that because i can't find it
19.03.36 #       <copper> General Settings -> System
19.04.29 #       <amee2k> ok, turned it off
19.04.34 #       <amee2k> lemme try again
19.05.09 #       <copper> hmm, that feature doesn't seem to be available on my iPod Classic
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19.06.13 #       <amee2k> "chase the volume control and win an iphone!"
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19.07.49 #       * gevaerts points to g271 for some fun
19.08.03 #       <gevaerts> (http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/271/)
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19.11.40 #       * gevaerts is listening to music played from the SDL app via an icecast2 server to mplayer :)
19.11.47 #       <AlexP> I think g#271 will expand it
19.11.49 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #271 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/271 : Make the SDL app stream to an icecast2 server.  by Frank Gevaerts (changes/71/271/1)
19.11.52 #       <AlexP> yep :)
19.12.05 #       <gevaerts> AlexP: I suspect the main issue was that fs-bluebot was not connected properly :)
19.12.17 #       <AlexP> oh, didn't spot that :)
19.12.45 #       <amee2k> spot what?
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19.13.10 #       <AlexP> amee2k: I was talking to gevaerts
19.13.22 #       <amee2k> oh
19.13.33 #       <amee2k> didn't see that one :P
19.15.37 #       <gevaerts> Now I just need to clean that up so you can select it from configure and have settings for the icecast2 connection and mp3 quality, and then all we need is having a rockbox daemon :)
19.16.15 #       <gevaerts> (and figure out how to tell gstreamer/icecast2 about album art)
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19.22.33 #       <gevaerts> nothing like listening to the same music on three different devices with different buffering settings, and controlling it from a rockbox app that's five seconds before everything :)
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19.39.41 #       <amee2k> neat. with rb on it, the ipod seems to charge even without charger ID \o/
19.42.14 #       <copper> what's "charger ID"?
19.43.35 #       <amee2k> the resistive dividers on the data pins that the wall wart style USB chargers have
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19.45.04 #       <Miezu> anybody here atm who can help me with the recovery?
19.45.10 #       <Miezu> of a clip + :)
19.45.55 #       <amee2k> as in, audio clip?
19.46.07 #       <copper> Sansa Clip+, a PMP
19.46.11 #       <Miezu> that one
19.46.16 #       <amee2k> oh, n/m then :)
19.46.52 #       <amee2k> hm... as a side note, seems like i have to take that ipod apart again. the headphone jack has an intermittent contact :/
19.47.10 #       <copper> dude, you found it in the trash
19.47.18 #       <copper> buy a Clip+ ;)
19.47.20 #       <amee2k> lol
19.47.33 #       <amee2k> it has a 16GB CF card in it now :P
19.47.54 #       <copper> get a Clip+ with an 8 or 16 GB microsd
19.48.09 #       <amee2k> they cost 20EUR?  o.O
19.48.35 #       <copper> is that too much?
19.49.02 #       <amee2k> no, thats what the CF card cost me
19.49.14 #       <amee2k> including shipping
19.49.34 #       <amee2k> clip+ is 40-50EUR for only 4GB
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19.50.35 #       <copper> 8 gig is €50 on amazon
19.50.47 #       <copper> the clip+ I mean
19.51.25 #       <[Saint_]> Miezu: what is the problem?
19.52.12 #       <amee2k> hmm the only thing interesting about the clip is the sd card
19.52.27 #       <amee2k> but if the ipod dies i can pull the cf card from it too and put it in a card reader
19.53.09 #       <amee2k> does the 8GB only come in black? o.O
19.53.16 #       <[Saint_]> no.
19.53.49 #       <amee2k> i can only see black and some gray. all the colored ones are 4GB models
19.53.58 #       <amee2k> black-- :/
19.55.15 #       <Miezu> oh
19.55.16 #       <Miezu> sorry
19.55.24 #       <amee2k> even the gay pale turquise looks better than black :P
19.55.33 #       <Miezu> well i just took it apart and wasn't sure how to bridge those 2 pins and what to do afterwards
19.55.43 #       <Miezu> because i don't have linux
19.55.49 #       <amee2k> if i end up keeping the ipod this time i'll repaint it again >_>
19.56.25 #       <bertrik> Miezu, have you tried just holding the power button for 20seconds ?
19.56.29 #       <[Saint_]> Miezu: what happened that made you think you needed to come to this step?
19.56.38 #       <Miezu> i've tried that extensively over the past day
19.56.42 #       <Miezu> nothing else is working belive me
19.56.47 #       <[Saint_]> Also, you need Linux (or a unix-like layer for Windows) to do this.
19.56.47 #       <Miezu> it is barely turning on
19.57.14 #       <[Saint_]> What happens when it does turn on?
19.57.17 #       <Miezu> well
19.57.31 #       <Miezu> if i get it into rockbox it is either going to go in and freeze after a while
19.57.37 #       <Miezu> or just freeze at the splash screen
19.57.41 #       <Miezu> same with the ofw
19.57.51 #       <Miezu> but i can't seem to be able to use it for more than 1 minute
19.58.06 #       <Miezu> if i connect it with the center button pressed it is being detected but i can't format it
19.58.11 #       <[Saint_]> if it gets there at all, then you really don't want to be floowing the unbrick steps, you'll do more harm than good, and may have done so already.
19.58.16 #       <Miezu> and i can't format it in the ofw 
19.58.23 #       <Miezu> and i can't connect it to the pc in the ofw
19.58.36 #       <Miezu> it gets to that point maybe once in 15 tries
19.58.45 #       <Miezu> with the reset procedure
19.58.54 #       <[Saint_]> It rather sounds like the filesystem is trashed, perform a disk check as Admin
19.59.09 #       <Miezu> well that's my guess to
19.59.14 #       <Miezu> but it won't connect to the pc
19.59.18 #       <hillshum> Will the OF perform a format? Try that
19.59.25 #       <Miezu> i tried that
19.59.29 #       <Miezu> but it froze
19.59.50 #       <[Saint_]> if it is...then why did you follow the unbrick procedure? which clearly states at the top that it is a last resort, and should only be attempted if all else has failed?
20.00.05 #       <Miezu> there's really not much that i can think of
20.00.09 #       <Miezu> that i can do at this point
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20.00.36 #       <Miezu> some times it doesn't even turn on
20.00.41 #       <Miezu> after trying to reset it
20.00.46 #       <saratoga> probably just broken
20.00.54 #       <saratoga> no sense trying the unbrick procedure though if its not bricked
20.01.02 #       * [Saint_] nods
20.01.20 #       <Miezu> as i've said
20.01.25 #       <Miezu> it doesn't turn on every time
20.01.33 #       <Miezu> it mostly acts like a brick
20.01.50 #       <[Saint_]> the filesystem is either seriously trashed, or, the storage is just plain good'ol'fashioned f****d
20.02.06 #       <saratoga> if it turns on ever its not bricked
20.02.19 #       <saratoga> since bricks do not turn on
20.02.27 #       <saratoga> they are heavy and inert 
20.02.33 #       <Miezu> well obviously but this is the last thing i can try
20.02.47 #       <Miezu> atm it doesn't turn on at all
20.02.50 #       <saratoga> it won't help, but if you want, get a linux machine and try it
20.03.15 #       <Miezu> can i emulate that in windows?
20.03.52 #       <[Saint_]> Its quite likely that opening the device and attempting this procedure when it wasn't actually required did more harm than good.
20.03.58 #       <[Saint_]> and no, you can't.
20.04.34 #       <[Saint_]> You'll need a virtual machine running a linux distro, or some form of unix-like layer for Windows such as CygWin
20.04.44 #       <[Saint_]> the former is advised.
20.06.42 #       <Miezu> tried turning it on a couple of times but nothing happend
20.06.56 #       <Miezu> if i connect it to the pc with the cneter button pressed it sees it as a 4mb drive
20.06.59 #       <Miezu> and that's about it
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20.08.07 #       <[Saint_]> yes, that's all very well and good...but, you won't be able to do anything without exposing the recovery partition, and you won't be able to do it on Windows.
20.08.22 #       <Miezu> ok
20.08.28 #       <Miezu> well how can i proceed with this
20.08.33 #       <Miezu> i've never used linux
20.08.43 #       <[Saint_]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform is probably the first place you should be lookig if you want to go through with this
20.08.53 #       <Miezu> i have a hiren boot cd around i think that some linux stuff on
20.10.28 #       <Miezu> so i should follow that quick start guide there?
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20.13.16 #       <[Saint_]> whoops, dammit...I didn't look at the link properly, I'm blaming Chrome.
20.13.38 #       <[Saint_]> you'll likely want: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide#Virtual_Machine_40Strongly_Recommended_41 , as this comes with a prepared virtualbox image
20.14.38 #       <[Saint_]> in reality, some windows dd implementation is likely sufficient for this, though.
20.14.48 #       <Miezu> i still need the vmware player ?
20.15.12 #       <[Saint_]> for virtualbox? no.
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20.16.01 #       <Miezu> well i'm getting that ubuntu vm that you've linked but it's gonna take a while i'm guessing about 5-10 mins
20.16.32 #       <Miezu> any ideas on how i can easily bridge those 2 pins>
20.18.16 #       <[Saint_]> knife, tweezers, <something_metalic_and_conductive_that_also_fits>, etc.
20.18.54 #       <Miezu> and i have to keep it there for the whole duration of the process or just briefly
20.20.02 #       <[Saint_]> the instructions outline this.
20.20.42 #       <Miezu> :)
20.21.39 #       <Miezu> i was just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of having a knife in my clip+ for that period of time
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20.58.41 #       <Miezul> anybody around who can help me with the sansa ams unbricking?
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21.02.00 #       <funman> why do you think it is bricked?
21.02.06 #       <[Saint]> I am...I just don't answer PMs when the same question could've been asked in channel
21.02.30 #       <Miezul> oh ok
21.02.37 #       <Miezul> i got the ubuntu thingie running atm
21.03.07 #       <funman> i don't know what a thingie is
21.03.11 #       <[Saint]> funman: its not.
21.03.31 #       <Miezul> saint gave me a link earlier
21.03.37 #       <Miezul> with a ubuntu vm image
21.04.03 #       <funman> well first, what makes you think it is bricked?
21.05.35 #       <Miezul> i've ran through that about 20 mins ago
21.05.43 #       <Miezul> it's the last thing i can try to make it work
21.05.50 #       <Miezul> i've really tried everything else
21.06.04 #       <Miezul> it only responds when i connect it to the pc while holding the center button
21.06.10 #       <Miezul> and it shows up as a 4mb drive
21.07.43 #       <Miezul> but i'm not sure about how i should use ubuntu
21.08.07 #       <Miezul> to enter the recovery mode i'm supposed to execute "sudo fdisk -l" but i can't do that in the terminal under applications
21.08.42 #       <[Saint]> what hapens when you do?
21.09.30 #       <Miezul> it asks for a password
21.09.36 #       <Miezul> but i can't enter anything in that field
21.10.02 #       <[Saint]> the password is clearly noted on the page the vm image came from
21.10.17 #       <Miezul> i entered it when i first started ubuntu
21.10.20 #       <[Saint]> from memory, its simply "ubuntu" in reverse
21.10.31 #       <Miezul> password was reverse
21.10.45 #       <Miezul> but as i've said i can't enter anything in that field when it asks me for the password
21.11.23 #       <Miezul> nvm it's working now
21.11.24 #       <Miezul> no idea how
21.11.25 #       <hillshum> It doesn't show any input, but it's there
21.12.54 #       <Miezul> and i need those 2 pins bridged only while i connect it to the pc?
21.14.17 #       <hillshum> Have you set up USB bridging in the VM?
21.14.56 #       <[Saint]> Miezul: the instructions clearly say so, yes.
21.14.56 #       <Miezul> don't think so
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21.22.10 #       <Miezul> how would i set up the usb bridging in the vm?
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21.30.22 #       <Miezul> it still sees it as a 4mb drive when i do the fdisk
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21.35.19 #       <[Saint]> "If it doesn't works, try to repeat it several times; You must make sure that the player was off before plugging the USB cable to the PC"
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21.46.44 #       * bluebrother has a sim working with a voicefile that doesn't contain length information about the clips anymore
21.47.14 #       <bluebrother> currently doesn't work for TALK_PARTIAL_LOAD though, but that did work at some time in the past
21.48.57 #       <bluebrother> which means we can cut down voicefile size by something like 2.8k
21.49.56 #       <[Saint]> I suppose cutting cruft is always good.
21.51.44 #       <bluebrother> it's more like redundant information in this case :)
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22.07.09 #       * bluebrother considers pushing some of the voice related patches
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22.17.20 #       <bluebrother> yay, now also working with TALK_PARTIAL_LOAD :)
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22.26.06 #       <Guest___> Hello, my first time here. Could someone help me with stuck sansa fuze v2
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22.34.16 #       <bluebrother> if you stay only for 3 minutes then no.
22.34.19 #       * bluebrother shakes head
22.36.34 #       <copper> bluebrother: it probably was *URGENT*
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22.39.03 #       <copper> Guest___: I can't help you with the fuze, but it might help if you described your situation a little better
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22.40.08 #       <Guest___> Sorry for vanishing, I feel my PC needs fixing to. Anyway the problem is I cant get it to start. It crashed booting rockbox, something about the audiobuf and 65536>0 ?? So I figured ild use normal firmware instead. which worked. however next time i booted, it showed the bootloader then kernel panic and wont turn on. ive tried holding off, an there is no usb ether?
22.40.56 #       <bluebrother> hold the power button for 30 or so seconds. That will shut it off.
22.42.37 #       <Guest___> ive tried holding it several times for up to 2 minutes. i dont think its on as i dont get the slight hum in my headphones.
22.42.58 #       <bluebrother> does it turn on if you plug it in to USB?
22.43.41 #       <Guest___> Nope, i get nothing at all.
22.44.04 #       <bluebrother> ok, then I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with that player.
22.44.24 #       <saratoga> i'd try a couple more times to reboot it
22.44.33 #       <saratoga> if that doesn't work you might just have to wait for the battery to die
22.46.02 #       <Guest___> I had heard of the turning off way, but I was hoping they may be a quicker way. and i wanted to know what had gone wrong. If theres 20% how long will it take as ive no way of knowing if it is on?
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22.46.31 #       <saratoga> you'll have to wait and see
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22.46.52 #       <saratoga> once it reboots, update your build, since that crash is fixed
22.46.58 #       <Torne> if it's on you can usually hear it by listening for the crackle noise as you plug/unplug the headphones
22.47.38 #       <saratoga> as a side note, does anyone know when rebooting on the AMSv2 players become less dependable?  i don't recall this ever happening until fairly recently
22.47.48 #       <saratoga> did we change some setting that could have screwed this up?
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22.49.35 #       <Guest___> There is static so it must be on. Im running a build from sometime last week. Ive been using rockbox for a few years. I think it became unstable around after 3.9. At least ive had more problems since then. the main one will being microsd related. hope that helps.
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22.52.33 #       <bluebrother> is there a way to push a patch series to gerrit as single review?
22.52.48 #       <Guest___> Thanks for the help. hopefully it wont take too long to die. Any suggests what I should do once its awake again and connected to pc? format and new install?
22.54.15 #       <saratoga> like i said, that bug is fixed, so just update
22.54.18 #       <CIA-4> Commit de6f962 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Add comment to clarify calculation.
22.54.32 #       <bluebrother> and any objections to G#269 ?
22.54.33 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #269 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/269 : Add voicefile version to rockbox-info.txt.  by Dominik Riebeling (changes/69/269/1)
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22.55.36 #       <Miezul> Is there anything I can do to a sansa clip + that doesn't answer at all and when I connect it to the PC it shows up as a 4mb drive?
22.56.15 #       <CIA-4> de6f962 build result: All green
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23.02.00 #       <Miezul> anybody?
23.03.10 #       <bluebrother> sounds like some recovery mode.
23.03.33 #       <Miezul> i tried doing that
23.03.38 #       <bluebrother> there's an unbricking description in the wiki, but I think you only need that if you don't see that 4MB drive anymore
23.03.43 #       <Miezul> it kept showing up like a 4mb drive
23.03.46 #       <bluebrother> maybe search the logs ...
23.04.15 #       <saratoga> the 4MB disk usually means you erased or killed the flash
23.04.24 #       <saratoga> did this happen after you opened the player?
23.04.34 #       <bluebrother> pixelma: did you get a chance to trying G#247 ?
23.04.36 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #247 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/247 : Filter LaTeX output for errors.  by Dominik Riebeling (changes/47/247/3)
23.04.47 #       <Miezul> nope
23.04.50 #       <Miezul> it was before
23.05.14 #       <saratoga> but it booted sometimes?
23.05.19 #       <bluebrother> loose connection then maybe?
23.05.31 #       <saratoga> most likely 
23.05.44 #       <Miezul> it booted sometimes but really random
23.05.52 #       <Miezul> and barely at all
23.05.57 #       <saratoga> yeah, then lose solder
23.06.04 #       <saratoga> so like i said a couple hours ago, its broken
23.06.13 #       <Miezul> anything i can do?
23.06.17 #       <saratoga> buy a new one
23.06.21 #       <Miezul> great
23.06.22 #       <Miezul> ^^
23.06.32 #       <Miezul> can't i solder that back somehow
23.06.34 #       <bluebrother> resolder the flash :)
23.06.38 #       <Miezul> oh
23.06.48 #       <Miezul> you were talking about that
23.06.55 #       <bluebrother> though I guess this won't be doable using "normal" tools
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23.07.44 #       <Miezul> well then i guess it's been two good years
23.07.50 #       <Miezul> is the clip zip stable now
23.07.50 #       <Miezul> ?
23.08.00 #       <pixelma> bluebrother: just once, so just with an ok build. I was wondering how an actual error looks like now
23.09.03 #       <bluebrother> so just break it ;-)
23.16.04 #       <AlexP> Bagder: Did the raw IRC logs go coompletely or just get renamed?
23.16.19 #       <Bagder> I have no idea...
23.16.59 #       <AlexP> If you go to any days logs then click "View raw" (which was just the text file) it isn't found
23.17.26 #       <Bagder> I think we need to poke zagor with a very long stick
23.17.42 #       <AlexP> Heh, OK :)
23.17.53 #       <AlexP> I shall next time I spot him around
23.21.45 #       <bluebrother> Bagder: any thoughs on g#269 ?
23.21.47 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #269 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/269 : Add voicefile version to rockbox-info.txt.  by Dominik Riebeling (changes/69/269/1)
23.22.15 #       <bluebrother> or is that to be considered a bad idea?
23.22.24 #       * bluebrother wouldn't say so, but ... :)
23.23.00 #       <Bagder> seems fine to me!
23.23.18 #       * bluebrother submits
23.23.30 #       * Bagder updated the https://www.ohloh.net/p/rockbox/enlistments today as they seemed to have gone stale/wrong
23.23.47 #       <CIA-4> Commit 7c78963 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Add voicefile version to rockbox-info.txt.
23.25.34 #       <CIA-4> Commit b2380b5 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: voicefont: make format version a parameter.
23.26.24 #       <CIA-4> 7c78963 build result: All green
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23.26.46 #       <bluebrother> Bagder: shouldn't the download link on the ohloh page rather go to rockbox.org/download than the development builds?
23.27.08 #       <Bagder> fix it!
23.28.18 #       <bluebrother> now if I remember my ohloh password ...
23.28.56 #       <CIA-4> b2380b5 build result: All green
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23.29.35 #       * Bagder updated it now
23.30.21 #       <CIA-4> Commit 9f7c6a1 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: genlang: add VOICE_ prefix to unused voice-only strings.
23.30.39 #       <bluebrother> thanks
23.32.23 #       <CIA-4> 9f7c6a1 build result: All green
23.33.10 #       * bluebrother just pushed g#272
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23.39.07 #       <saratoga> Bagder:  can you change the old releases link on this page:  http://www.rockbox.org/download/
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23.39.29 #       <saratoga> to point here:  http://download.rockbox.org/release/
23.45.38 #       <kugel> gevaerts: I'm wondering if your gstreamer work could/should be a plugin instead?
23.45.50 #       <gevaerts> kugel: how?
23.45.53 #       <kugel> (or both for the config ui)
23.46.01 #       <gevaerts> For the config UI, sure
23.46.18 #       <gevaerts> But otherwise it's an audio driver. Not sure how to put that elsewhere
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23.47.11 #       <kugel> just wondering
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23.49.03 #       <saratoga_> g#270
23.49.04 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #270 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/270 : Make playlist.c aware of external storage when determining paths  by Michael Giacomelli (changes/70/270/1)
23.51.27 #       <gevaerts> kugel: I suspect this would mainly be useful if we ever have a standalone playback engine. You don't really want the UI (at least not permanently) on your streaming server
23.52.07 #       <kugel> saratoga_: I'll try to have a look but i don't have much time currently
23.52.15 #       <saratoga_> ok
23.52.44 #       <saratoga_> the main problem i see with it is that if you put a playlist that refers to files on the main memory onto the sd card, it might break
23.54.01 #       <saratoga_> but it seems like in ambiguous situations it makes more sense to look on the same disk then on the main memory
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